Massacre ending is the canon route right?

Massacre ending is the canon route right?

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All endings are canon, but it is the thinking man's ending.

I’LL END IT THUS

Yes but mostly so Nanashi will be SMTV's superboss

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Cute dog.

BEHOLD MY DEMONS

DeSu3 when?

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is this another SMT thread?
been seeing alot of them recently, any specific reasoning why?
Also just started playing SMTIV, I'm about 4 hours in and enjoying it, its my first time playing the series was starting with this a good choice? so far the story seems like it stands on its own

Never ever. Expect more Persona spinoffs in the future, though.

>been seeing alot of them recently, any specific reasoning why?
People got tired of constant Persona threads, I guess. Also, yeah, I feel that SMTIV is a good place to start and the story stands pretty well on its own.

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Yup, SMTIV is what got me into the series, it's probably the best starting point right now.

Post tier lists if you've got em.

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The only one where YHVH is dead for good assuming Nanashi doesn't break his promise and turns into YHVH 2.0.

yes, those faggots had it coming

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>DeSu3
>never ever
It hurts, its my favourite megaten spin-off

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All the games are stand alone. There are extremely minor hints that show how all the games are connected but because it takes place in a multiverse setting it really doesn't matter. IV:A, the sequel to IV goes more indepth in the meta narrative and ties everything together but its also a completely standalone story. You don't even need to play IV before playing it since the perspective of the game is from people in Tokyo and not Mikado.

Yes. The entire game shits on the idea of Bonds and punishes you for picking it. The people who think that SMTIVA was Persona-lite were too stupid to realize it was a condemnation of the Persona philosophy.

Atsuro is still the best bro in all of vidya.

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Our time will come, brother...

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>That one user who saw the swat drop and mouth on Io as a smug smile
I still can't unsse

Yasuda’s anti-grav tits actually grew on me the more I played the games.

Even better.

Shit, now I can’t unsee it too.

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They're still trash, even if your cock likes 'em

Fuuck, that's what I was seeing, too

It’s the fun kind of trash.

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I'm not gonna deny that

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The canon is that Nanashi doesn't make a deal with Dagda and he fucks off to hell for eternity.

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WATCH OUT Yea Forums HE'S GONNA TOOT IT!!

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Oh shit I can see it lmao

Post trap Nanashi

Yes.

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Hello JarinJove.

Thank You Daddy Dagda

Friend your boys, killo

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I want a skeleton dad, bros.

which purple man do you choose, user?

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>tfw no Pixie gf
Why even live?

God, I see it know. Almost came.

bump

Don't get this meme his str is shit

His strength isn't Kaido levels, but he isn't as squishy, so he's more reliable. Also he's an absolute bro

>soul hackers that low

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>STR is shit
Deathbound+Pierce+Marksman+Drain Hit+Phys Amp+Multi-Strike say hi.

Kill your friends.

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>jizzes into her jumpsuit in front of you and all of your friends

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This. Dude will follow you no matter what.

I cast tetrakarn

>Siding with the edgy potato and fucking over humanity

You're the same kinda people who act like SMT II Law was a good ending. Bonds is the true man's path.

>pulls out demon with Holy Dance
heh...nothinn personnel kid

I don't know who your eceleb boyfriend is.

>granting humanity god powers and reincarnating them into a universe without yhvh
>"fucking them over"

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objectively inferior to just putting holy dance on abel

>swears undying fealty to you and then immediately tries to kill you if you side with Dagda
Shit waifu.

The problem with neutral endings, including the bonds ending, is it doesn't actually solve the underlying problem. SMT is a series that deals with problems on a fundamental cosmic nature, and the neutral path constantly ignores those problems in favor of holding on to a brief, selfish existence with someone else dealing with the problems further down the road. Massacre end transcends all that and gives you the power to truly solve every problem. The universe you create is entirely of your own choosing. You can even do something as simple as "recreate the universe as it was, except I'm YHVH" and then just not act like an asshole, if you want. Bonds end just means YHVH will inevitably come back and fuck everyone over all over again.

>kills her and reincarnates her as my loyal onahole

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Isn't the Great Will a collection of humanity's hopes/will or something

No

YHVH will ALWAYS come back so long as even the concept of a creator god exists in the minds of people. What Bonds did was keep another Divine Powers from happening because the Teletubbies sun refused to share his sandbox and kept shitting on other gods only to get told in grand fashion by those he drew power from.

Here. My alignment doesn't match yours, so you must die.

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Massacre end removes the power of observation from people by reincarnating them as something else. Yhvh will never come back in the new universe.

>YHVH will ALWAYS come back so long as even the concept of a creator god exists in the minds of people.
Except with the massacre ending you're the creator god, plus you can just rewrite the universe to ensure nothing usurps or alters you.

Law is always best route.

There's following someone and then there's condoning your dude yelling FUCK YOU; I GOT MINE and using literally everyone's corpses as a foundation.

Childhood is going Bonds for anime friendship bullshit.

Adulthood is going Anarchy for the satisfaction of being a total edgelord.

Enlightenment is realizing both endings are shit and it doesn't really matter as IV:A's plot and writing is trash.

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>Massacre ending is the canon route right?
Always

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>not diversifying your demons to cover all bases and make up for your team leader’s weaknesses
For real though, the amount of customization the Skill Crack mechanic allowed for in Devil Survivor was nice. And while it was random, I did like how the Magnetite mechanic allowed you to change your demons’ movesets to whatever skill you cracked. Just wish it was better implemented and more refined.

everybody else gets revived in the new universe anyways. There isn't a single objective reason to not side with dagda.

>The problem with neutral endings, including the bonds ending, is it doesn't actually solve the underlying problem

Let me blow your mind: it's almost as if true peace is somethi g that needs to be maintained and there is no permanent answer to achieving it.

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Thank You Daddy Dagda

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Skill crack is great just because of all the builds you can make. I also like how surprisingly balanced the skills were

You know, there's something special about a game who's canon summary is
>Asian philosopher convinces a reincarnated Adam and Eve to murder every angel and demon in sight.

>giving up on paradise in a world where gods and demon's exist and settling for the mediocre

multi-strike and stone+ was fun to use together

That's the question with this series, there will never be a true answer for peace, even if you erase YHVH, or turn humans into observation less God's,

>closer to mainline in tone and atmosphere
>actual srpg, position matters and maps aren't constrained
>even has multiple alignment routes
Why aren't you playing Majin Tensei II? It's the game the DeSu series should have been.

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Said gods and demons are stronger then and even more illogical then humans though.

It really should have been, but I like how DeSu is its own thing. If it adopted a Majin Tensei style of gameplay, on top of implementing Fate Links, I would buy DeSu 3 in a heartbeat.

Can I remake the world so Danu is my wife?

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FPBP. Why can't people get this. Even Nocturne spills it out to you.

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No. The Great Will is the true creator who is just watching things happen through his Messiahs, aka player characters. YHWH is the Demiurge usurping his creation.

Agreed. Getting together the right build for all of the characters was satisfying as fuck.

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They're proof of concept. It means humans could attain inviolability under the right circumstances.

>Nocturne confirms that multiple worlds exist within the Amala Network
>People still bent on forcing their ideals of "this ending is canon over this one!"
Lol

What’s not to love about it? It’s the perfect series to get persona only’s into because the difficulty keeps the trash out

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Hayato.

>gods more powerful than humans
kek

But that is a good ending though. All the endings in II are good.

Thank you for the explanation, user. Will the Messiah stuff, and observation carry on into V? They said they were done using concepts from IV, and the IV universe as a whole.

It’s isnt as high as the other 2 STR fags but they’re magic defense is too low and keido is too slow

All IV did was expand on concepts that were already present in previous games, either explicitly or implicitly.

DeSu isn’t hard either user. They even have multiple difficulties

Only messiahs have been shown to be able to slay gods. In general they are vastly more powerful.

What are some of your favourite builds?
You can give Crit amp+mighty hit+pierce+desperation to a character with shit AGI and high STR

where can I find these scans

The desu1 artbook is on sadpanda of all places but I never found 2's anywhere

If you go by the other games plenty of people kill gods. I’m playing Soul Hackers and some Randy just fucking does it

>not playing on normal
No one is retarded enough to pick easy right?

It has casual filters in the forms of wendigo and beldr

May as well be closest thing to a perfect ending in this series so far.

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We don't know. IV:A fundamentally changes the universe that all the games take place in. These aren't IV exclusive concepts but are concepts shared between all of the SMT and IMT games. The Great Will/Axiom is seen in SMT3. YHWH's origin story is told in DeSu 1. Not using concepts from IV is a vague statement but if Massacre is canon then all that stuff may be thrown out the window with V.

I'd actually be more pleased with DeSu, if they put more emphasis on map design. They were all small as hell, and incredibly boring.

No SMT is hard

Beldr is the best fight in the game maybe even in the series so satisfying thinking of strategies and after grinding for macca to finally see him die was the best

Not at all. God slaying is an inherent attribute of humanity. Dagda explains this. All humans are born with the power of observation and the ability to surpass gods and demons.

I really wish more trpgs focus on the level design. Really feels like some FE games and Growslanser are the only ones that do

I like the characters and the fight for bel shit more

>yhvh's origin
do tell, all I remember it saying is that he just sort of showed up one day and killed the original bell

They altered the rules for the IV universe, but I guess this is true. Flynn and Nanashi in specific were Messiahs though, so they have actual power from the Great Will unlike average humans.

user, those “trash” people you mentioned probably would.

Giving Multi-Strike, Stone+, Pierce, and Marksman to Keisuke was pretty fun to see in action.

and yet all they do is sit and wait to die or parasitically rely on 1 hero. Dagda also said humans as they were were a joke.

Couldn’t get into FE just hate the RNG of those games definitely not for me but glad others can enjoy it

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Hopefully they don’t have access to the internet

>I like the characters

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toki is so ridiculously cute

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>FE
>Level design
Hahahaha
I really like those games, but not really.

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I feel like DeSu could do this better. The main issue with FE, is that it's overly grindy, and your party members permanently die if killed. In DeSu, your party members always return. My only gripe is that I wish your demons were seperate units. If they die in combat, all you have to do is simply refuse them, or make more.

What ingame advantages does dagda give you because the bonds ending lets you have more options for battles with partners does dagda power you up or is it just for “fuck em I’ll do it myself” kinda guy

That's pretty much it. The reason why YHWH is the one true God and all the other gods are called demons is because YHWH deposed the King of Bel and took all power and authority for himself.

Did Stephen say that the Messiahs actually got a power boost? All I remember is him saying that the Axiom observes events through them.

Because they give up their power and become slaves to YHWH. Or something like that. Most humans are jokes but given the right tools and situation, humans have the potential to surpass demons in strength.

I wish they had stuck to the design with the regular Gaean robes.

I want toki to leglock me as I cum inside her.

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>Having Nanashi, Flynn, Demi-fiend, Alphe and Hero as super bosses turned team mates
Fucking sweet

You stop relying on party members and use your own strength. You can revive one party to be your permanent onahole in and out of battle though.

>SMT fags can’t believe you like something that all forms of media use
Even nocturne had characters it’s just they were retarded

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You keep one partner, so I guess it is more difficult that way.

*sniff*

The amount of r34 is criminally low, that's like the only good piece

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Brehs.... i don't know how to tell you this.... but 3DS support is over. We will never have another Desu aga....

>he doesn’t like Atsubro, Naoya, Amane, Haru, and Gin.

the latter, the yhvh fight is arguably easier because the second team is just Flynn and Satan but one partner means no free persona attack that stops the enemy turn

This
Dadga was practically never wrong about calling out your shitty haram of retards

Is Tokyo Mirage Sessions really that bad?

Just look at those Yoohoos

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>be walking around in some hell scape in SMTV
>you see the corpses of demons hundreds of them
>you slowly walk your way down a path while hearing 2 swords clash and hearing “scum” or “jack pot”
>you then meet a man dressed in blue and one in red
>boss fight with Dante and Vergil

Gin was actually pretty based,
youtu.be/DezyLyfIsH8

Are you retarded? You act like they can't make another DeSu title for the Switch, in 3D. There's SRPG's on the Switch. Primarily, see Fire Emblem.

It's the fact younliked them retard. How anyone can defend trash like Midori isbeyond me.

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Some, not all.

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man I need to replay this, I don't remember ANYTHING of the last time I played and this was just last year

It really is. How does a character that cute get so little love?

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LET ME BELIEVE user

>"Scum"
I laughed.
Take it outside, girls.

Seriously this, I want to believe that SMT V is set in the new universe created by /our kid/.
I want to believe that smtv-kun is the Messiah Steven warned Nanashi about.
Please Atlus be the most based you have ever been and give us a new super God to defeat that isn't *record scratch*.
Imagine the final battle, imagine it.
imagine if Dagda comes back to help you defeat Nanashi because faggot Nanashi wanted to see Dagda again and gave it a physical form again I creamed myself writing this down

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When did I say i like all of them
Midori is only useful for black frost and replacing yuzu for magic

Peaceful days are over.
Let's RAPE

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Conquest had some brutal ass maps. Playing Chapter 10 on Lunatic might have been the most stressful thing I've ever did.

Get Seth to review IVA next

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Oh, rapefag, you scamp.

>You act like they can't make another DeSu title for the Switch
They can't even make SMT on Switch, yet you want a spinoff?

They said they were done using the IV universe, and wouldn't connect it to other universes, though.

>Yes let me die

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>canon
Look at this retard.

No he won't

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The best part about dadga is his voice actor and how edgy he is

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Thank you daddy Dadga

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Crashing this thread with no survivors.

Reminder that If..., NINE, and Strange Journey are mainline.

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ALL MY FRIENDS ARE DEAD

This I want him to

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>They can't even make SMT on Switch
>What is SMTV
[Citation needed]

Bunny was too great.

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>No, you don't understand, I pinned the blame entirely on you for the newest calamity to teach you PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY
>It doesn't matter that you were forced into it by powers out of control, you need to fess up to your own mistakes!
>lol wait what do you mean they're gonna execute them they said they're sorry :^)
I didn't pick Massacre. But I came fucking close and this was the sole reason

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>What is SMTV
Exactly. And Where.

>the guy who keeps telling you the entire game how worthless friendship is and how you should murder everyone is also the main character of Persona 5
Based Xander

I'm not going to lie with you chief, this sounds pretty bad

I know but a man can dream.

I want to emotionally, sexually, and physically bully this

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That's because humans don't have access to the tools to defend themselves anymore, likely due to YHWH's influence. Demon summoning became a lost art that only a few summoner clans like the Kuzunohas still practiced. Once Stephen leveled the playing field and released the Demon Summoning Program then everything changed. When time got fucked in Raidou and Demon Summoning became more widely known, it led to Soul Hackers and Persona where any human can make demons their bitch.

I mean, they're making one already, which will get them all demon assets and also urban assets for something like Devil Survivor.

With which god do i have to make a deal to be able to buy this?

>mfw Dagda VA is Joker and the Smash Bros announcer, also Master Hand

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>I didn't pick Massacre.
Brainlet.

killing her was some of the most fun in the entire game

How did they made a worse character than toki

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I'd still go homeslice on her bananacakes.

Have you never waited for a video game, before? First time waiting for an Atlus title? They do this all the time, and it literally just happened with P5. How many times are people going to regurgitate the SMTV is dead meme?

sorry bro

I just love the smug look on his face

If she still had the short-hair, i wouldn't have picked Dagda.

>not picking bonds so in new game plus you can curb stomp YHVH with 2 satans while having asahis skill

>She fucking tries to shoot you at the end after telling you that it's not too late to go back to their side.

The fuck Atlus? Why was she such a bitch?

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The IV universe is the SMT universe. What they mean is that you aren't going to go back to Mikado and IV Tokyo. SMT V is still going to follow from IV, the same way Strange Journey followed off of III. Don't you think its strange that the SMT V reveal trailer didn't have a single angel in it?

Started full development last year.

You forgot that she was being possessed by Dagda's mother, Danu to make things worse. Honestly, Nozomi was the embodiment of a hypocrite, but I didn't hate her as much as some people here. I just kind of blew her off.

Go to Japan

Retardation is.
It’s a poor reason but a reason nether the less

Had to save my dog and Walter. All other goals secondary.

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honestly didn't have a problem with anyone else, even hallelujah got better over time, but toki and nozomi are the same annoying shits the entire game, not to mention they aren't worth a shit as a partner either

>and it literally just happened with P5
Look up trailer released and game released. Then look up SMTV and check the date. And lol, i may as well bring up SMTxFE argument and instantly win.

In all honesty,I should've played massacre first. Playing bonds first makes me way too attached to the characters to act like a dick to them.

So, Okuninushi?

You didn't see Archangel laying in the tunnel with the rest of the dead demons?

100% the opposite, massacre in NG+ was way more fun picking all the obvious edgelord answers for everything

Toki is decent since she can instakill but nozomi does one thing and it’s done poorly besides those 2 I love the whole cast except for Isabeau who is meh and asahi is only likeable

This moment was pure hype

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Don't know if I can do it. There's a scene upcoming where you tell Asahi she's useless. God dang that's gonna hurt me

Either way, this is how Atlus has always operated. Not only that, but SMTV was announced before it honestly should have been since it didn't start full development until February of 2018. SMTV is perfectly fine. I don't even see what you're arguing.

that scene is pure kino, her reaction is literally too good for words

You can make one small exception my dude just pick all the combat ones

So you just decided to ignore what i said and just saying your own stuff, huh?

This was unironically based, but the same still applies in Massacre. The only different is they have Satan on their side.

What is it?

Messiah or Overlord, Yea Forums?

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Are you saying that SMT V will never release, or

No. If I'm going to play as an asshole, I'll play it as an asshole the whole way through.

she deserves it, someone like her fighting is just adding to the trouble

Dude, it WAS Nanashi and Asahi’s fault. They even had the opportunity to tell others about it before they opened it and refused to do so. How is it NOT their fault?

Overlord, duh.

I'd be pretty disappointed if they made a new MegaTen spinoff only for it to be DeSu. I don't hate DeSu or anything, but I would much prefer something entirely new or a new Devil Summoner.

Overlord ending wise if abel can kill god humanity will be freed but if he can’t then it’s pretty bad for us
Messiah is just us living with no control over what we can do but we’re protected so it depends on if you can believe in our new demon overlord

Overlord. Also, find a new question to ask, user.

from what I remember she's just utterly crushed and doesn't even process what you just said, its really nice

Overlord so I can purge the lawfags and the humans that try to subdue my abel.

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>The people who think that SMTIVA was Persona-lite were too stupid to realize it was a condemnation of the Persona philosophy.
It's neither a condemnation of Persona or Persona-lite. It's just not like Persona.

I really don't get why people praise this part. Lowering YHVH to the level of a demon by being having your party walk up to him and cite some bullshit about friendship made me feel like I was playing a Tales game or some other generic shit. The actual battle was fun but as a scene this was shit. SMTII had Aleph just go up to YHVH and slash at him, not sure why we couldn't have that.

Then don’t complain
As a huge fan of DeSu I hope we can get some new games for the ps2 era since those fan probably feel abandoned

Yes it is their fault.
That's not the question being asked here.

The question is would you fucking tell everyone they did it during a time where everyone's on MAXIMUM edge.

the massacre route was more fun, you literally denounce the beatitudes.

Nozomi is a law faggot seriously I trust toki more to make rational decisions cause at least she cares about master

Overlord. Fuck Metatron and fuck YAHVEH.

Especially since Nozomi's reaction afterwards implies she seriously thought nothing bad would happen as a result. She's just apparently that fucking stupid.

Fujiwara and Skins were extremely calm and collected though. This just seems like you’re ignoring the facts to fit your narrative

>on the level of a demon
2 did this too you you Roman numeral fag aleph treats this as any other demon while the party in apoc at least makes a effort to change it up

But user nothing bad does happen. At worst they ask you to clean up your own mess. And all the other hunters help anyhow

It's not as generic as defeating YHVH with the power pf friendship, sure, but it still played out weird. I don't really get why you couldn't fight gold head straight on and instead have to turn him into a rejected Final Fantasy boss before you can actually fight him.

Except you aren't attacking him with the power of friendship. You deny his divinity by reversing his own statements or commandments against him. Stop speed reading.

First off fuck you user, that second part was completely unnecessary.

Thank god nothing did happen. Seriously, thank god Fujiwara and Skins were levelheaded enough to convience the others to make you stay alive.

However I wouldn't be surprised if someone just outright shot you the moment you came in from that door. A ton of people fucking died in the shelter.

but then you can't FUCK Amane

>At worst they ask you to clean up your own mess.
You were seconds from being executed when a demon attack interrupted proceedings, being the Boss's kids is the only reason you're even given the chance to "redeem" yourselves on top of that.

If we wanted to tell them the truth we should just told them no fucking else

I think it's a cool moment, but the things they say feel a little silly, it sounds like the kinds of things a militant atheist would say online in 2012, which is appropriate, but still a little silly.

You say this like it fucking mattered. Literally every argument saying
>"B-But what if the hunters tried to cream your ass for what Nozomi told them!"
Is flawed, because Nanashi in particular is practically immortal. Asahi on the other hand..

>aleph treats this as any other demon
>party in apoc at least makes a effort to change it up
You're contradicting yourself. The party in IV:A also treats YHVH as a demon as well, they just made a spectacle of it.

>Completely unnecessary
And totally true
And Skins and Fujiwara were literally always levelheaded. Why wouldn’t Nozomi trust them? They’ve been leading the rebellion for decades

How am I contradicting myself i literally said they tried to change it up slightly you can’t resd or some shit

I never liked the idea of the massacre end because I straight up didn’t dislike any of the party members

What about toki and nozomi I couldn’t bring myself to kill my bros but those 2 would be shot in a heart beat

>Asahi on the other hand..
On top of all of IV:A's shitty writing there is no explanation for how limited Dagda's ability to revive people is beside the one part where he says he can't revive you in the cosmic egg. If Asahi, or any of your party members, died at some point in the game, with the exception of Asahi's case with Shesha, there's nothing to stop him from reviving them really.

Kiss my ass

>All these niggers whining about someone picking one route over the other
>Not playing through both routes to get the full experience
You naive fools..

user I just said I didn’t dislike any party members. Is reading difficult for you?

>not picking the best route aka rejecting dagda's deal at the start

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how did you like all of them? I can get the other but someone saying “I like toki and nozomi” is fucking insane

It's essentially the same thing, it's just made this weird spectacle in IV:A which was dumb. Having your party deny YHVH felt unecessary.

>Lmao but you're like Immortal and shit haha.
I assume dying would still hurt and honestly, right there and then people would start assuming you're a fucking demon and negotiations would break down right there.

Nice missing my point user. The point was what if one of the other fucking hunters was unhinged enough to shoot you down right there. It's more like you're ignoring what I'm saying to fit YOUR narrative, speedreader-kun.

Of course

/thread

Because 1 and 4 have canon routes.

It's called being easily manipulated by media. It's like people who cry because sad music is playing despite not actually understanding what sad thing just happened.

>Why are your opinions not mine?!
user this is unironically a symptom of autism you’re displaying

Why would he revive them?

He hates them.

That little moment when Navarre laments not being there is too adorable.

>smt 4 neutral
>best route

user you know that if you’ve ever disliked a character then you’re also guilty of this right?

Maybe I am autistic...but still what did you like about them?

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After we get Raidou 3

The actual best route is the one where the events of IV:A don't even get the chance to happen.

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I assumed Dagda signed a contract with you so you're his sole partner. If anyone else dies, he wouldn't be able to revived them.
Then he revived Asahi and that just made me lose all the tension you had in the beginning of the game.

>Having your party deny YHVH felt unecessary.
It's the entire point. The ending is basically the party realizing the underlying truth of the setting: even if the demons are stronger than humans, it's humanity that ultimately empowers or denies demons.

What about the route where i don’t play the game

>Bruh blow up the reactor and let angels keep fucking with Mikado
>Bruh overrun Mikado with demons
>GIVE US DEATH WE ARE MASSIVE BITCHES
Neutral was the only good route

You still play the game in one instance of the Amala Multiverse.

Before the knowledge it's only wipes that universe. If the whites were right. Wouldn't the existence of SMT4 completely disappear at that point? They'll be no other chance to pick another route because you've fucking destroyed off everything.

Why does it matter? You openly admit your autism so you won’t accept it

What the fuck do you mean?

Speak English dude.

What kind of retarded logic is this?

I actually liked the cast of IVA. My only problem is you get no downtime with them so you're not too attached to them.

Honestly, out of all the things people nitpick about when it comes to Apocalypse having bad writing, I never see people mention Dagda's ability to revive the dead much, since people wank him so hard. What is the extent of his power exactly? The only instance where he can't revive you repeatedly, is when you're in the Cosmic Egg. Outside of that one instance, he could revive you no matter what the circumstance is, without issue. It honestly killed any feeling of tension, or consequence in the game. For all we know, Dagda could revive your party members too.

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An acceptable sacrifice. Glad she at least stuck to her guns unlike that sweaty cunt Yuzu that abandons you for doing anything but leaving everyone else to die.

“Nice press turn icons nerd hand em over”

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>Flynn gets a choice to destroy the multiuniverse
>All universes ceases to exist because the option of destroying the multiuniverse is there
>There will always be a Flynn that picks this option therefore making every other option impossible because the multiverse will be destroyed right there

They changed it so it only affects that universe, but when it first came out people were saying that this would completely destroy everything in the SMT universe.

Pretty kino

Pierce can even pierce repel now boyo

They were useful for you in combat. Even should he hate them he couldn't deny they assist you.
The contract was more that Nanashi has to fulfilled whatever Dagda asks of him in exchange for Dagda reviving him whenever, I don't think it means he couldn't use his magic for any other person. There is no real explanation to the limit of Dagda's power, he could revive Nanashi, or anyone, infinitely based on how the game presents it.

white ending should nuke your save file to punish nihilist faggots who genuinely think it's a good ending

>"AAAAAA FOR THE PEOPLE"
>"GUNGNIR!"
>Steals 2 to 3 of your press turns
Dude, Gaston..

Nice buzzwords.

Don't forget that she tells the Hunters that Dagda is inhabiting you while neglecting to mention the same for her and Danu. If I could let Titan burn down her faggot fairy forest, I would.

Sounds like the best ending to me.

>For all we know, Dagda could revive your party members too.
He can if I remember right he offers to revive Asahi

Accidentally accepted it and had to reload the game

The whole point of my post was saying that if they were "actually" right. That would be the only choice made in the game. You wouldn't be even able to pick between LNC because you'll be nuked by another Flynn

“Hehe buzzword” your fun at parties mister buzzkill

I guess he wouldn't bother reviving any party member except Nanashi, after all he'd rather have them dead that leading his godslayer astray.

>Messiahs as superbosses
Please. We need more of this.

All press turn icons are Gaston's we just borrow them

Dagda only revives because you acts as his host, he doesn't care for anyone else.
Notice how he didn't revive the fuckers who Andramelech's killed? They aren't useful for him.

Dagda could, but he wouldn’t because he does not give a fuck about anyone else apart from Nanashi.

this is the cutest fucking ship but there's next to no content of it, why live

Yeah, but that's only because the IV:A writers couldn't handle how White the right were. They're so right that those losers who dreamed up the likes of Toki had a fit over it and denied it, but we all know the real truth. The White were right.

>persona would cease to exist
Based

If liking a character means you’re easily manipulated by media, then surely the opposite is true.

That's why bonds ending sucks.
>Asahi Revival
>Dagda's rebirth
>Stephen just up and randomly goes "Hey, uhh...you want to kill YHVH now? You guys kinda forgot about him."

Massacre route felt weird to get into but it was ultimately better written.

Sucks, doesn’t it?

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Because Aleph doesn't even kill or beat YHVH which is dumb.

Putting aside Nanashi's allies, this is the prime issue I had with the game.
>"So uh, kid. You're immortal now. If you die, there will be zero consequences. I'll keep bringing you back from the dead no matter what happens."
Absolute Gary Stu.

Yeah, I should check FF.net. There's only a little bit on AO3 which I've already read.

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No protagonist truly kills any demon beside Flynn in the white ending. As long as humans exist to remember the demon it will exist.

Is YHVH in SMT2 the same as SMT1 and SMT4?

Asahi was your generic genki chic, Gaston was gay at first but he gets better, Hallelujah is bland as heck but nothing offensive really, Toki was kinda cute but also felt like pandering, Nozomi and Navarre were the only ones I found downright annoying.

Because that would ultimately disrupt the whole flow of the game and would probably be boring as fuck.

Wrong ise pf Gary Stu but I get your point. Beside the cosmic egg there is no plot or gameplay consequences for him dying.

Hey hey people

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>he didn’t like navarre
He’s literally your stand a buffing ghost

No joke, it is a good ending. Not because I'm a whitefag but because the ending is legit creepy and moody as fuck.
>that eerie music
>that weird ominous "battle" against the yamato reactor
>slowly malfunctions so you have time to let it sink exactly what you are trying to do.
>Burroughs congratulating you in the most dissapointed voice possible.
Pure kino.

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SMTII is a continuation of SMTI's neutral ending so yes in that case. SMTIV is a separate universe though, each of those universes having their own YHVH.

>Muh JoJo bread
Get out, Ryan.

Nanashi is dead. Dagda is basically a parasite who revives the host.

Kek

>using the woare Ryan
You are killing these threads you should be the one getting out
It’s very creepy

That reminds me, I wish they put more emphasis on Nanashi's life as a living corpse. They only bring up him being dead on a few instances, like his body temperate being cold, or his skin being pale or something. It would add to the despair if his skin started rotting away, or something along those lines.

What about him? Kek and Seth are two separate gods user.

They put all the money into shesha flynn

I want Danu to be my mommy

Sek

>canon
They aren't. They just get a sequel. Chaos and Law in 1 and IV are canon also

There are phone games that are continuations of SMTI's law and chaos endings. All engings to all games are canon in some universe.

Would you unironically want an ending where
>Bonds Route (edited)
Dagda gets destroyed by the power of friendship
Danu has only enough GodPower to save either you or Asahi, you get her to revive Asahi
You have no hopes of surviving.
Danu uses the last remaining life energy or some shit from the Akira Gauntlet or remains Dagda to keep you alive to killed Krishna and later YHVH.
You die in the ending satisfied that you followed your dad's words and protected Asahi.

>being so brainlet that you think a protagonist has to be physically vulnerable in order to be compelling
Yes, Nanashi can't die but others can. That's why Asahi's death was so impactful. And its not like its a 100% positive deal since Dagda removes Nanashi's free will and makes him do things or not do things regardless of his will. Like when Dagda prevents you from intervening with Flynn.

In other games the game just won't acknowledge your death. The fact that the game gives you an in-game reason for coming back isn't bad writing at all. Its a reminder that Dagda is in control of your fate and leads to you questioning whether or not he's a positive influence on your life. Every time you die you feel grateful for Dagda but you also remember that your agency in the game is limited. Which then gives more weight to decision to break free and regain your free will.

>kek gets in as a new demon
>it's literally Pepe
Post your reaction

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Finally, someone with a brain.

Kek is already in the game you retard.

When exactly did I claim that, speed reader? My point is that the Inability to die killed the tension. They didn't even highlight how awful Nanashi being Dagda's puppet was, outside of very few instances where he controls your actions. It's still flawed writing.

The series would be dead to me from that point onward.

>Weight to break free and regain your own will
Which is true, but the endings are still questionable in their writing as best regardless, which is an entirely different issue so never mind.
Fuck off, memer.

>instead of fusing into ayylmao Lucifer Walter becomes pepe know as kek
Prolly would’ve been a better design

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It's Heket you dumbass.

who wore it better?

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Fuck wouldve been good

No he's not you fucking retard.

I still stand by my words when I say there should've been 4-5 routes in Apocalypse
Light - Massacre
Dark - Massacre
Light - Bonds
Dark - Bonds
(Optionally) Divine Route

Wtf user

Merkabah getting a boob enhancement in IV Final was a nice addition.

You forgot TDE where at the end you say “no” to dagda(forcing him to stay in this form as the only god besides you around) and rule like YHVH but even more of a dick

I kinda want a self insert protagonist in SMT V like Joker where you can read his thoughts over things. Have his thoughts change depending on what alignment you are.

>All the seething ESL babbies today
Cope, Ryan

That's Dark - Massacre

Stop posting about Ryan it’s a forced meme

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Finished Nocturne recently. Posted a few times last month, got super salty at Grimekhala. Went for the Yosuga end, endgame team was Parvati, Daisoujou and Black Frost. Which should I play next, SMTIV, Soul Hackers or DDS?

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Cool

>That's why Asahi's death was so impactful.
It was so impactful because you think you will never see her again, only show up later with the power of friendship.

What did you like about nocturne?

>Yosuga
DDS is a good option, since it feels similar to Nocturne, just keep in mind it's more of a traditional jrpg.
SmtIV or SJredux if you want more mainline. Soul Hackers gameplay is outdated but it's a charming 90s as fun game.

If you complain about soul hackers gameplay there will be autist trying to argue its better than press turn

Not him, but from a purely gameplay perspective what's the difference between Soul Hackers and the other old 2x3 SMT games?

That autist ruins almost every kind of Megaten discussion whenever he shows up.

You need to make frens with the demons so they can follow your orders.

It is better than Press turn because press turn isn't good.

And speak of the devil.

It's true

No one cares, you autist.

God I fucking hated that system

What no you fucking idiot. Kek and Heqet are two different gods. Kek is one of the primordial egyptian gods and Heqet is the goddess of fertility. Similar names, both egyptian and frogs, but not the same thing.

DONT ENGAGE

The atmosphere of the spherical Tokyo and the isolated vibe the game had going, which as far as I know is the odd one out as far as the other games. Also really loved getting invested in the fusion, but the rng Demon negotiating made it tough to really sink into until I got close to the end, where it didn't matter too much.

Haven't given DDS much of a look, though it being press turn is appealing. Soul Hackers being a bit outdated doesn't bother me since I've played Persona 1 multiple times and loved it.

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Then why did you reply to objective truth?

Setting wise DDS is just as unique but nocturne still is the king
If you want better negotiations then SMT4 is for you also the fusion system is improved but also you can break it

>objective
Does anyone actually know what the word means anymore or not?

>Nocturne is still king
I love Nocturne, but outside of areas like the Temple of Amala, Assembly of Nihilo, Mantra HQ, and the Kalpas, I never found the setting very immersive. It's literally just Tokyo, in a desert. The atmosphere is sex, though.

it's just shitposters shitposting I hope.

>better negotiations then SMT4 is for
>refuse x2
>end talks
>free demons
No. Also you can break the fusion system in Nocturne easily too

The atmosphere gave me the feelings that I had in catholic school reading the book of revaluations it’s that good

Yes and that is objective statement with no bias behind it.

Nice

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Fusion lite allows you to transfer skills that can’t be transferred normally(like die for me) it’s still decently broken

Don't talk back to me Ryan, I'm going to kick your fucking ass if you talk shit about P5 again

>objective statement with no bias behind it.
Going by human nature, opinions are always subjective and prone to bias. Imagine being an SMT fan and not understanding this.

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Wait, in IV? Really?

Is the Demi Fiend's design meant to be the Adam to Kaneko's Lilith?

>Phoneposter file name
>Muh pretentious SMT philosophy
Yass rise up gamers! Fuck Persona, one more fug God rejected xDDD! Fuck off, troglodyte.

Yeah I think they patched it out but it’s still in and it’s a bit random but you can get it

>pretentious SMT philosophy
>basic human nature is somehow pretentious
Are you okay, user?

>THIS upset
You shouldn’t get so angry user it’s embarrassing

ONE MORE POST REJECTED
YOUR KEK IS AGAINST THE WALL
ONE MORE POST REJECTED
I AM THE CRINGE INSIDE YOU

Based

Human nature is pitiful by the hands of the lord and the lord alone you will be saved

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n i c e

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Can I read manga under the lord?

You sided with me, right Yea Forums?

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BY THE LAWS OF THIS LAND IF IT IS LEGALLY OBTAINED ALL MANGA IS BLESSED UNDER GOD

Who are you?

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Weak

4's glossary lore explicitly states all routes are canon, including the one where nanashi stays dead and iv:a doesn't happen

>might makes right
>beat her ass in a fight
>b-but can you still side with my reason?
No bitch you lost under your rules I don't have to listen to your ass

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>Unique conversations between lower ranked angels.
Cute. Also I want demon conversation skills back. Dionysus bribing demons with wine was funny.

>there are people that actually go Bonds and would betray Dagda and replace him with a brainwashed copy

Not even lawfags are as bad as you

>side against her
>gets killed
>side with her
>also gets killed
Lmao fuck off bitch.

Thank you Gaston

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bondsfags are lawfags in denial

It becomes murky because Dagda himself is brainwashed to an extent even in his normal state. Do you let him persist in his damaged state, never truly whole, or return him to who he once was against his current self's wishes?

>dagda has been controlling you the whole time
That’s the main reason to betray dagda it’s time for you to call the shots

I want to throw Chiaki on the bed, tear her clothes off, lick her feet, and dominate her body. She's a pretty cute jit.

That’s a sad scene desu hits in the feels

>All these people memeing on the fight with her
Might makes right, brainlets. If you don't have the strength to beat her, you have no right to adopt the Reason. Jesus.

Do you think she and Demifiend ever banged?

>Might makes right, brainlets. If you don't have the strength to beat her, you have no right to adopt the Reason. Praise Jesus.

fixed for you lawfag

>It becomes murky because Dagda himself is brainwashed to an extent even in his normal state.
hm?

And that's why her reason is shit. Social darwinism is retarded and so is Chiaki

>Dagda removes Nanashi's free will
He doesn't stop saying this. Him interfering one time and preventing nanashi from doing something retarded =/= NANASHI IS DAGDA'S MINDSLAVE FUCKPUPPET INCAPABLE OF EVEN CHOOSING HIS OWN BREAKFAST CEREAL IN THE MORNING

I swear at some point asahi claims you feel cold when she touches your cheek

In tone and compared to what could have been, yes. Otherwise it's passable.

sadly if you want to search r34 of your demonfus then you have to use the Persona tag in boorus/pixiv

Its not actually

He has free will but only as far as it aligns with Dagda's goals. If Nanashi tries to go off rails he either takes control of him or just lets him die again.
Of course that was part of the bargain when Dagda revived him, so it's not like he's being unfair.

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Imagine getting a handjob by Chiaki

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Literally me.

Amane can "join" you if you only kill angels and not humans

it works both ways
>beat her
>you are truly worthy of carrying on my reason
or
>her reason isn't worth carrying on because she can't even defend it on the own basis of her reason
in the end it's garbage since you get all the downsides of a typical chaos ending resulting in all the restrictions that follow a law ending. It's the worst of both without the freedom chaos brings or the order law brings

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You signed the contract that he explicitly said that he'd use you for his goals and for you to do what he says. If you didn't want to be his puppet then you should've stayed dead, besides despite him being blunt about using you he's also doing it all for you and the rest of humanity and when you fulfill your end of the bargain he brings you back to life completely no longer bound to him and lets you rule the new universe while he becomes nature again.

You are the one that betrays Dagda in the Bonds route.

This, Dagda did literally nothing wrong.

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She was so weak I killed her before she could even summon her minions

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>shitting on Atsubro

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If they being conversation skills back they need to at least hint at what they do. Way too cryptic.

I want a Titania gf.

I don't know about canon, but it's definitely the correct ending.
If you had the power to literally make everybody their own God, why the fuck would you not want to do that?

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>ywn be embraced in Scathach’s thighs
Why even live?

Raidou 3 when?

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Don't cuck Obereon.

When Atlus remembers that spin-offs other than Persona exist.

We're promised to get info this year, expect a random info dump either in Famitsu, Nintendo's E3, TGS, or some random Atlus event.

But he cucked himself in his book

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Mommy Hat caretaker of Man of Hat!

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Kill yourself! :D

Imagine.

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world of int

No :D

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>becomes a god of phys with Gungnir

shame i killed his ass 10 minutes later, lel

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So just a bunch of spurdos everywhere?

What if schathatch sat on your face? haha wouldn't that be a funny prank? I wonder what it would smell like.

I got filtered at babel since he was the only one not to be destroyed by my almighty build

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Babel is the ultimate cuck, though. Just spam Holy Dance as usual. There's demons with the Awakening ability, and they double your magic after using said Passive. Use that, and boom.

The white were right
Fuck humanity
Fuck demons
Fuck Lucifer
Fuck YHVH

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that's a goty if I've ever heard one

What kind of shit could Atlus shove into a nice lil collector's edition for SMT V?

I NEED to fuck those thighs

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>ywn stick your rock hard mara in between her thighs
>ywn erupt all over her pale legs, glazing them in your creme

This left nutt

Yes

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Flower pajama Jack Frost plush

Chiaki belongs to Thor only

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Source?

That's not it at all, though

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By this logic, none of the Reasons are worth carrying since Demifiend could clap them all with ease. The true ending is the TDE, anywho.

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It's on Pixiv. It's not a sexually satisfying image

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Flynn is based as fuck.

I hate when anons run away when you prove them wrong.

based

Cope, Ryan

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Can we change the name? Ryan is such a dumb name. Can we say Robby instead?

>Ryan is such a dumb name
>Missing the point

The point is Ryan is a dumb name, can we change it to Robby instead?

Isn't Anat always an endgame demon? Jonathan doesn't know shit, fucking retard homo

Oh look, my wife Nemissa and her friends game that will never come out in English.

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Post more of your wife, pls.

Too based for this world

Keisuke did nothing wrong.

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Homeslice as in cutting off her retarded head then yes

Mating press Nemissa

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Imagine.

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I love too.

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This
You’d think Dagda would at least keep Asahi as insurance.
She’s seemingly the only person Nanashi gives a fuck about

Even if she’s literally a dead puppet: a proverbial Carrot on a stick for Nanashi he doesn’t really lose anything but not keeping her around

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She does
Hell the thermometer item says you’re only 50 degrees F that’s the temperature of someone legally dead.

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Thank You Daddy Dagda

Thank You Daddy Dagda.

That was gayer than an 8 dude train while they cum rainbows

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Damn straight
Dagda only held up his end of the deal
Fucking traitor Lawfags

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>thread turned into Nemissa-dumping
what sort of basedness is this

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She’s just that good

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You wanted no what's funny, I learn that she is a law demon. That just make things hilarious.

I love my wife Nemissa so much!

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Damn it I meant know

Spank me Daddy Dagda!