I unironically want a Shin Megami Tensei game with a focus on plot and the characters

Overlord, of course.

Persona isn't after the apocalypse. I wouldn't mind Devil Survivor if they removed the time limit and had less anime tropes in it.

>removed the time limit

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A week isn't enough time to create life bonding relationships.

Shin Megami Tensei must change. Its inevitable. Nobody wants to play edgy, hardcore dungeon crawler again when every other company can make a better one. If they insist, then it needs to be repackaged, hence why Persona is the mainline series now.

Also, update your lesser known demon designs you lazy fuck.

That’s because DeSu 1 has a focus on survival. DeSu 2 had more of a focus on that kind of stuff.

You're forgetting the oppressive atmosphere of SMT.

>Persona is the mainline series now
>he actually believes this

Yes it is. If you went through the apocalypse fighting demons with a small group of people, you'd be pretty tight with them after the fact, even if it only lasted a week.

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Devil survivor 1 uses characters to represent a particular viewpoint or kind of person, rather than actually being independent characters. And 90% of the plot is just wandering around aimlessly while nothing happens.

Not entirely true. I’ve played through DeSu 1 and you’re always having to deal with shit
>demonic outbreaks
>gang warfare
>police brutality
>military conspiracies
>demonic possession
>societal breakdown
And even then, the routes are still pretty damn character driven.

>3 smt threads
whats happened lads

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People got tired of Persona threads clogging up the board, I guess.

>I unironically want a Shin Megami Tensei game with a focus on plot and the characters.
The SMT IV duology

This was a great moment.

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I don't know. You don't get to know too much about Walter, Jonathan and Isabeau. You do know more than in previous games but I was hoping for a more tighter connection so the alignment change would hurt a lot more.

4A tried to have a focus on plot and characters but it was paced so fucking fast the only character I really was attached to was Asahi.

RAPE, SLAUGHTER, DEVOUR YOUR ENEMIES. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO SURVIVE, YOU CAN NOT ESCAPE YOUR HUNGER, WARRIORS OF PURGATORY

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Oh, rapefag.

Huh. That was actually pretty good.
That's your best one so far rapefag.

>the only character I really was attached to was Asahi.
based

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That's a picture for ants! But yeah she was definitely well done. She was self aware that she was useless and annoying. I honestly don't know why people had such a hate boner for her. If I was a girl, my panties would be so fucking wet around Nanashi.

What is this, an Asahi for ants?

came here to post this

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Gaston had pretty good character development but I guess most people don't think about it because he's lame to use in battle and some people have a hard time getting over him being an ass for a while

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Momunofu is too based.

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nobully
Yeah smt fans are really really paranoid about mainline "becoming too persona-like" and fear signs of lightheartedness. It was a bit annoying that it dominated the discussion during IVAs release. Asahi to me was like Yuzu but if she was endearing, went through some pretty harsh suffering as consequence of her actions and you could let the good old fashioned megaten grimdark continue if you just picked the worthwhile ending. Making her the megami was kinda cute.

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That he did. I felt it was way too fast though. I think the game needed more side content so we can have more downtime with the cast.

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>Life bonding relationships
Devil Survivor is quite literally about surviving, though. While it has more focus on bonding with people, that's not the core premise.

Does emulating Nocturne and DDS still have this

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That's why I said remove the time limit. I want a story about a group of people trying their best to reach a goal in a world that doesn't allow them.

I actually really like Apocalypse. If only the pacing wasn't so lightning fast, it would be probably one of the top 3 for me.

There's certain aspects of SMT that I'd like to see change, like
>Using other settings besides Tokyo, maybe Kyoto or Osaka
>Different alignment representatives instead of Lucifer, or an avatar of YHVH
>Different ideologies and mythologies being explored, instead of the usual alignment business
Otherwise, SMT doesn't need to alter much. I'm sure SMTV is going to do well, or at least bust a million sales. The series will be fine, truthfully.

Then it wouldn’t be Devil Survivor, dude.

Yes, if you use the wrong settings.

I thought about removing the time limit once, but that'd be a bit much. I like DeSu because you build said relationships and struggle together in impending doom in the short span of time that you do have. Maybe boost the time by a week or so, but anything other than that, and you might as well be playing Persona in an apocalyptic setting.

This. I think people often underestimate the series, or are overly pessimistic about its success. IV by itself sold over 600k. Imagine how much V will sell since it's not only back to full 3D like Nocturne, but is on another console esque system that already has some successful JRPG's, on top of being in a drought for games?

Not to mention the popularity boost from P5.

Pokefags are disappointed by Gamefreak's fuckery and are jumping onboard the Megaten train.

I'd rather they just make a new Digital Devil Saga rather than fuck around with what makes SMT unique.

>Gamefreak's fuckery
user, you aren't dumb. Right?

Pretty based for once, Rape-Kun.
The IV Duology did this, though. I'm not exactly opposed to the characters present in future games getting more characterization, or outside of that better world building, but it shouldn't be excessive. On the contrary, I don't want the story to be overly minimalist like games prior to IV.

Not him but a while back, I found myself growing out of Pokémon and decided to jump into SMT and never looked back since.

I don't know what you're implying, but Gamefreak is to blame for the mainline titles being the way they are. The lack of effort is why Gen 6 felt so unfinished, and why Gen 7 was borderline awful. Railroading up the ass, no sense of exploration, overly plot heavy games, and other issues. It wasn't good.

Is it true that a story/setting like SJ was supposed to be a one-time thing? It was nice having a game that had nothing to do with teenagers or Japan

Any pipe dreams for the series?
>reboot Megami Tensei II but they allow you to continue on the side of your bro instead of forcing you to go with some thot
>make something like Nine again but good
>hope they learned their fucking lesson with the failure of the gacha game and not release anything that garbage ever again
>Devil Survivor 3

Oh I thought you were talking about today's announcement. So many dumb anons were blaming gamefreak for Pokemon Home and Pokemon Sleep and I'm just thinking if they graduated high school.

Not sure. The director of Strange Journey said he wanted to make a sequel, one of these days anywho.

How do I remember fusion formulae for good races like tyrants?

A new Raidou. it's been over a decade.

>Devil Survivor 3, except you can control your demon units seperately in a Fire Emblem fashion
>More enemies on the maps to compensate for the above change
>Better map design in general that requires actual strategy and thinking
>SMT II remake one of these days
>Another spinoff with a similar feel to Digital Devil Story, except it follows Egyptian mythology and other philosophies

There's a Fusion Calculator, if you google it. I think it has fusion results for each game. Speaking of that though, it just occurred to me a few months ago, that the different demon races excel at specific roles. The Megami Race for example, excels at offensive Magic and healing, but have weak physical attacks.

Alright motherfuckers how do I beat this faggot? His flute moves are op.

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Just make a new spinoff that has character focus and isn't persona
>for Pokemon Home and Pokemon Sleep
what's those?

Imagine being an unironic edgelord.

Imagine being morally empty and uncompassionate.

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t.city nuker

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It's surprising they barely have any porn. Even Persona 5 has very little actual good doujins. What the fuck drawfags?

Overlord route is peak edgy kino.

>character being a lawfag
Honestly, what else do you expect?

if you're not Persona, your porn probably is paltry with this franchise

Even if you ARE a personafag. It's all degenerate artist that don't know proportions or draw fucking hideous faces.

Luster Candy
Debilitate
Mudo
remember to bring Dekaja and Dekunda
slap his shit with hard-hitting moves

I unironically like Doi as much as kaneko

imagine being a robot that slaves away at the heels of your master, unflinchingly, and commit any number of atrocities to please them?

imagine being a lawfag

Take the whitepill yet alignment tards?

>Even Persona 5 has very little actual good doujins.
>expecting quantity and maybe quality in the era of gachashit
In terms of P5, I'm content with the few decent Makoto bad ends there are. All I ever really wanted.

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Did I just get lucky or are you playing on Apocalypse difficulty? I beat this guy and almost every other boss in Final on War my first try, I didn't even use Hallelujah like you're supposed to against him I think. Now General Grievous and Nu-Satan, that took some work. I'll get back to him soon enough on a fresh playthrough either way.

Dude there's like no good Bulma (DB) doujins. Garland draws the best DB hentai but he doesn't draw much.

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Cute monkey

Just use Hallelujah. His Chironuppu abilities absolute fuck him.

>Johnathan
>Compassionate.

>Compassion
>When he completely disregarded the lives of the entirety of the Tokyo population and proceeded to let himself become one with the Archangels in order to protect Mikado
He was based, but he was also a retard.

Same, his human designs are pretty nice, and will likely improve as time goes by. I wonder what his character designs would look like if he gave them black lips like Kaneko?

>having sympathy for unclean ones over your fellow mikado citizens

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In fairness black lipstick is kinda hot on women.

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Hiroko had a nice design, but man that dildo whip was retarded.

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Persona 1 had a really oppressive atmosphere too.

How does this even happen to a person?

Both P1, and the P2 duology did in fact. Until the new generations of games directed by Hashino were released, anyway.

Yeah, I got him on my first try too. IIRC I didn't really bother trying to buff/debuff there and just outdamaged him.

What if SMT V starts out all lighthearted and gets progressively darker the closer you get to the nukes going off. Then the last two thirds of the game are full on Shin Megami Tensei.

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To be fair, his newer drawing of Hiroko looks pretty bad.

I see that you haven't played Trauma Center games.

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Mudo his bitch ass

It's called IV Apocalypse you dumb nignog. And it was fucking gay. Stop asking for retarded shit.

Wow I sure love being an angel’s cock sleeve

Wow I sure love being a demon's cock sleeve

>Not telling both extremes to fuck off and making Bobo your cocksleeve.

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Is Ryan finally gone? My paranoia was killing me.

Just and righteous angel cock > unclean demon megadick

>inb4 neutral human penis
Miss me with that gay shit

I wouldn't mind if the game did that to a degree.
>Starts off in regular Tokyo society, MC strolling around
>Demon summoning program gets dropped off
>Demons starts to swarm Tokyo and things go to shit
>Great Flood happens and wipes out the demons (flood was mentioned in the V trailer)
>You now begin to wander through the apocalyptic and destroyed state of Tokyo
It would be great.

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Hackers Soul Play!

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Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't explored human and demon relationships in wider depth yet. Especially when they put emphasis on demons forming from human thoughts anywho. It would be nice to see humans chilling with demons, without having summoned them.
>Fury Sun Wukong
>Tyrant Loki
>Fiend Alice
Very based team

I grew up playing Megaman Battle Network, and I love 90's cyberpunk like Lain, so Soul Hackers was really fun for me. New Devil Summoner, fucking when?

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Doi is great. Soejima is also good, but I wish some of his persona designs would be better

have any of you beat devil survivor 2 without summoning demons? That's my plan for my next playthrough but it would be nice if someone could confirm that it's possible

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People keep posting this in SMT threads. What's it from?

Just some SMT4 concept art.

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SMT IV concept art iirc
IVs settings are underrated, not as timeless as nocturne era but given the limitations of the 3ds they did a pretty great job

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Having actual knights in Tokyo would have been pretty badass

Bring back Reasons.

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>Not a persona 4 thread
Fuck this shitty thread

>wanting another Persona thread
Nah.

Uhhh am I back in 2015?

Get fucked you boring lawcuck

Use the power of your "bonds" and try.

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If anything I kind of want them to pick a completely off the wall location
Like instead of Japan they pick somewhere like South Georgia or Texas

keep crying bitch nigga

Every P4 thread on this board is either a Yukiko appreciation station, fucking Chie, Rise being a slut, something about Kanji's sexuality, or Adachi being an incel who dindu nuffin. What is there to actually discuss anymore?

The only tears or tears in this fight is me raping your mom’s ass with javelin rain

That above ground concept art interests me. Like compared to the final product or say other post apoc games like 1, no one's really up above in a demon infested tokyo outside of rare outliers. Yet here, you got people acting as if there aren't wondering demonic rape monsters around and are jusr doing their normal rounds in this world.
I wish they would go through with that sort of idea in a later game.

cope cuck

The Expanse is connected to Tokyo, though. I don't think we'll see an American setting anytime soon.

SMT II is post apocalyptic too, you know

It’s why I stopped coming to Persona threads, honestly. I still enjoy the games but it’s honestly tiring to see the same waifu spam over and over again. I just want to talk about the games, man.

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Not just a persona thread, a persona 4 thread!

Smt-fags are just mad that persona 4 gotten more light then smt. By the way, when are you going to get that release date for smt on the switch?

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Mikado and Tokyo in IV, were a lot like Valhalla and the Tokyo Millenium in SMT II. Basically you had this giant pyramid like structure above the ravaged state of Tokyo, where a lawful society called Holytown thrived and took control of everything. The Samurai are basically the IV equivalent of Templar Knights. In general, there's a lot of references from I/II in IV.

Honestly I’d even settle for an Ameripan like Ace Attorney
I just want to see more settings than just Japan
I’ve seen the same overused maps of Japan so many times when I went there for vacation last year I recognized everywhere like I was a local

>Without summoning demons
I don't think that is possible considering that one boss who actively blocks non-demon attacks. But beside him, I would say it is possible but you are gonna need to have every skill and be a pretty damn high level.

Don’t exactly know but I’m hopeful that it’ll pop up soon. Gives me more time to catch up on my backlog.

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This so much. There's a reason why the whole smt franchise is less popular than persona 4

>Tumblr filename
>ESL
>Baiting this hard
Here's your (you). You didn't earn it, but enjoy the flavor.

That's basically SMT1.

You must be one of those shitposters from discord. There's apparently been P4fags running rampant lately from /pg/. Shame.

Well, yeah, but I just mean more in a still really fucked up tokyo, rather than with II or Majin Tensei where they were able to heal and rebuild a functioning society again.
Though I also want that sci-fi setting from 2 again in another entry.
>where a lawful society called Holytown
You mean centre there, right?
I'm surprised the samurai still used regular swords and not the plasma swords that the templars are iconic with in the franchise instead,

Esl?

>When your autistic friend won't stop sending you one sentence replies instead of just typing out the entire message.

Every peersona is way too easy
from 1-2-3-4-5 just braindead
of course this leaves just the characters to talk about

Based Abelposter. How you doing, man? Been seeing you around a lot, lately.
It's weird how they put difficulty options in the games, but they're still piss easy. Especially in 5. Merciless Mode did nothing for me.

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Been doing good. Currently playing through my second copy of TWEWY and having an absolute blast. After that, gonna tackle more of Strange Journey Redux. Been loving the entire feel of the game.

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Literally persona 4 is the only good persona game. It has the best waifus, stories, characters, overall gameplay.

Only the final bosses really get me in those games but even then the games aren't ones I would list among the most difficult ones I have played.

Just make another plot device like the schwartzwelt.

You guys like torpedo boobs?

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Doesn't Persona 1 have retardedly hard final dungeon and boss?

Have fun, dude. I finished SJR not too long ago, and it was nice. Eridanus and Fornax are annoying, is all I'll say.

Yeh

That could work. I heard they they originally wanted SJ to take place in New York, or something. Basically any modern city would work.
It's true, we do need to leave Tokyo. It seems that the higher ups are stuck on it as a setting, though. They gotta at least let us travel through the Expanse again. I loved how Sci-Fi SMT II was.

All they would have to do is set it somewhere else besides Tokyo. A weird hick setting in Hokkaido, Pick one of the major fishing cites. There are other things to do in Japan. Tokyo is getting stale in general as a setting. Same thing as New York or LA.

It's the most solid package out of 3-5 but 3 has better highs and 5 is just depressingly average

English (is your) second language
Aka you’re not a native English speaker/ reader

This is true. At least expand to other locations in Asia as a whole. We have Hokkaido, Kyoto, Osaka, unironically China, and various other places. We could even go to the Middle East..

This
Then again after Strange journey constant ass rape everything seems easy

I wonder how many people it has happened to? I'm only on sector D in SJ and I'm play P3 again. That shit is just so easy

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This
We have all these wood, air, desert and rainforest spirts, gods and demons meanwhile only a handful of locations that have more than 5 fucking trees.

If anything take Tokyo and have the surrounding area be fucking Virginia, Europe or literally anywhere else

I am playing it for the first time and it's a big issue. The first 20 minutes in a new sector is (less) easy but then it's just snowballs until i run into a bad matchup

Nah, persona 4 beats it in everything

More than you think
People who played SMT before Persona constantly complain about non existent difficulty
Hell persona fags complained Persona Q was too hard despite the 1001 ways you could completely break the game

I played SJR on Expert without using passwords, and I'm getting my ass handed to me, left and right. I might hit the Womb of Grief and grind some levels, alongside fusion sources. I did Chaos the first time, so I'll slide through Law this time around and see how things differ. I wish the dialogue options weren't so dumb, though.

dae think digital devil sagas gameplay is boring as fuck? instead of interesting fusion and skill management you just get a super slow mantra grid and the games feel so repetitive. in smt mainline the strategy changes constantly as you get better demons and that keeps the game interesting to me.

I've always found it much more boring personally, mastering mantras feels nowhere near as fun as recruiting and fusing demons. I enjoy them but they're not like Nocturne or Strange Journey where I feel like I could start up a new file at any time.

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I'd really enjoy an SMT spinoff, set in Europe. I imagine it'd have a similar feel like Raidou.
>Victorian Era or later, somewhere aound the 1800's ~ 1900's
>Lore focus on things like the Holy Grail, Alchemy, the Renassaince, etc
>Demon roster consists mostly of European, Germanic, and Norse figures
It could be very, very based. There's so much potential to tap into, but developing games is so expensive these days. Shame. I hope we get another era of spinoff titles though, due to the assets they'll be able to reuse from SMTV.

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It would have been interesting, if you and your party could transform into specific demon races. It wouldn't be the same as the mainline, what with the fusion aspect and all, but you would have had more freedom to experiment. Although the Mantra System does let you experiment with moves, it's just not the same.

Am I retarded, or did DDS take place in America? Ah well, at least we weren't in Tokyo.

Based

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What kind of panties does asahi wear

Literally play Devil Survivor.

this guy would definitely fit in around here. Sounds like a /pol/ cross poster as well.

I like how the game keeps you on your toes like that
That's interesting. I think playing it and DeSu teaches you how to play SMT
Yeah the dialogue options are pretty dumb. But fuck if some aren't freaking cool

it took place in india

You know what he means. A mainline SMT game. I wouldn't mind it, so long as the character cast is small. Maybe just you, the heroine, and another friend.

I want another demon companion in future SMT games like Pixie. It's gotta be a mascot figure though, or something badass and humanoid. Any suggestions?

People always say DeSu teaches you how to play mainline, but I don't see it. It replicates the fusion aspect nicely, but the combat is completely different. If anything, something like DDS would fit better.

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Dogs don't wear panties, Nanashi.
Why'd you spoiler the SMT Thread text, when you already mentioned "Shin Megami Tensei" directly in the OP

Its mostly the fusion stuff it teaches you since press turn is so much more different than DeSu's system. The individual quirks of each game can be figured out but being adaptable and using fusion is what is really important with SMT

>but the combat is completely different.
You're still encouraged and rewarded to attack enemy weaknesses and to fuse smartly to cover your own.

Hmm, true.

I also want to mention that since you level up so quickly you're always encouraged to keep demons up to date

Post demon convos.

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Magnetite was so busted in this game
>Sells absurdly high in large amounts
>You only really need demons for bosses
>Can otherwise clear the game with Nemissa and the MC
Ah Soul Hackers. I like how they handled Negotiation though, among there being hacks.

So i'm stucked at Nocturne, im in the Manikin area and one guy doesn't let me go through the door

what i do?

I wouldn't mind if they gave more development to the alignment reps.
The only time I felt even the slightest but bummed about killing my friends was in IV, because Wally, Johnny and Bobo were real nice companions.
99% of the your "friends" are just a bunch of walking talking alignmentbot you meet every once in a while that try to convince you to drink their koolaid or they are just some random fags who suddenly go off the deep end for no reason at all.
So I wouldn't mind if they gave the alignment reps more development so you can understand why they go off the deep end and actually make you sad when you have to kill them.

You aren't suppose to go there yet. Go to Yoshima Station, it'san undergroumd train station near Yoyogi Park, and some stuff with Sakahagi play out.

Sakahagi was so pointless.

I'm currently at the Astro-Space dungeon and my only issue with the game is that Magnetite management fucks me over.

Any advantages the new 3ds has over an original 2ds if I only want to play SMT?

the improved 3d is kinda nice for a minute until your eyes get too strained

I'll also never use the 3D

Trust me, it gets way better around the midpoint of the game. Keep getting in battles, and your Magnetite will always be great. You shouldn't keep a large party of demons, either. At the most, 2 extra.

I guess being able to natively play the SNES games is kinda cool if you hack it.

Where do I go in Megami Tensei 2 after Balaam?

then go 2d

Ah, thanks for the tips. I'll try that out

>original 2DS
don't do this

Why not?

you're aware that original 2DS refers to this garbage right?

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Yeah but it's way cheaper and I thought it was the same as a 3DS

first of all, it can't fold

its fine because you can get them for so cheap

That doesn't look too comfortable to hold, I was also considering getting one

yeah you're better of getting normal 3DS or new 2DS

doorstopper-chan is cute!! also lewd!! her SD slot is easily accessible!! making piracy a cinch!!

>That doesn't look too comfortable to hold
Literally one of the most comfortable portables, as long as you don't have tiny ass hands this is miles better than a regular 3DSXL, I just wish it had a bigger screen.

>le smt doesn't have a focus on plot meme

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Aside from that one boss (which your starting pixie can solo) the original game is pretty easy, no additional battles required. Can you think of any potential obstacles in the 3ds campaign?

it's just because there's a lot of kids whose first megaten game is devil survivor, since it was the first smt on the ds and 3ds. there's nothing actually good about it, and while it is easier than a regular smt game (sad considering srpgs are supposed to be more strategic) it doesn't really help you in mainline smt because you can't effortlessly spam holy dance to beat real smt games.

>there's nothing actually good about it
Shit taste you got there lad.
>it doesn't really help you in mainline smt because you can't effortlessly spam holy dance to beat real smt games.
You're right, mainline is even easier to break.

>tfw I'll never play another game that will match the atmosphere of SMT IV

why even live

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>You don't get to know too much about Walter, Jonathan and Isabeau
yes you do. you don't get their backstories crammed down your neck but their characters are very pronounced. except for maybe the monkey.
Just cause you're not sticking your dick in the characters doesn't mean they aren't there

this