New Ryzen Zen 2

Nah I'm too poor
Sticking to my Haslel i5

>being forced into Win10
I think not.

is zen 2 mobile too? I need to switch from pc to laptop for mobility

APUs are always a gen behind IIRC

People are playing modern games with quad cores from 2012 with no bottleneck. Why in the actual fuck would you spend money each and every year to minuscule performance gains?

if i get money yes. I wanna make an all amd system because i’ve never had one

yes im waiting

That's fine, so is my backlog. Haven't played many games released post 2012

I NEED MUH INSIGNIFICANT 1.5 FPS GAIN TO DO BETTER IN FORTNITE

I built my friend a R3 2200G system a few months ago. He said he'll get a GPU when he saved up enough but he hasn't felt the need for one yet.

most people only upgrade once every few years. I’m still using a build from 2014

Because games within the last 2 years have actually started using more than 4 cores?

When they release the 16 cores am4 yes.

They have? Which ones?

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Yet those old CPUs do just fine with any modern GPU without bottleneck or poor performance. You only upgrade when games tank below 60 fps at whatever resolution you play at, otherwise it's a waste of money considering the next generation of hardware will cost exactly the same as the current one does now the following year.

Assassin's Creed: Odyssey, The Division 2, Monster Hunter: World, Hitman 2, etc.

Try getting a steady 60FPS in Hitman 2 with a quad core. Or Assasin's Creed Odyssey.

Probably not. Most boards who support 3000 have been updated now. I have gigabyte ab350 gaming 3 and also have to get newer 470 or 570 for proper support

I've got a 1700 at 3.9ghz which is great but I'm still tempted to upgrade, some games do bottleneck at high framerates with my 1080ti.

no i'm doing fine with my I5 2500k

>tfw bought 7700k in January 2017
>6 months later 8700k was out, same thing but +2 cores
>year later and 9900k is out
>again same thing but +4 cores
>Ryzen keeps pushing harder and harder with higher core count, IPC and clock boost
>Intel shitting pants and forced to fight to keep ahead for the first time in 10 years
>7700k still kicking ass in games and only really suffers when you try to do meme shit like stream
>next CPU upgrade is going to be as big as going from AMD Athlon XP to Core 2 Quad Q6600
I can't fucking wait bros. It's going to be biblical. Shitty 4 cores probably up to 16 core behemoth who knows.

I actually realized I need one of those gaymen laptops because I get more free time at my noght shift than at home. What model costs less while also not being all that powerful? I don't plan on playing intensive AAA games unless I wanna do a modded run of xcom 2

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That's good to know, heard those were actually pretty decent for the price and I'm hoping the Zen 2 ones improve upon that

maybe, im a poorfag so ill wait for christmas sales

I got a B450+1600 new for $160 last month so I'll squeeze that value dry first like a total cheap ass

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It will be Zen+ though

If you disable hyperthreading on a 7700k it will halve your framerate in the Division 2 at 1080p.
It's not like 6-8 core processors are even expensive now anyway.

I played both those games at above 60 fps with a 5 year old i7 4790k at 1440p.

It gets expensive when you need a new motherboard to go with it that isn't complete shit. May as well upgrade your RAM at the same time, which makes it even more expensive.

I love Reisen!

uhmmm bro, you should actually switch to amd now because your intel chip is compromised and you actually get lesser performance because intel recommended intel users to turn off HT

Im in same boat and even 2600x feels like bottleneck to me

>You lads upgrading?
>"upgrading"
I like to play games, AMD chips are absolute dogshit for gaming.

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Ignore all those games and you'll find that most games don't use more than four cores

I was thinking of putting together a new rig with a 9700k sometime this year. Hopefully the new Zen stuff keeps up for cheaper.

> 16 VRMs to cpu

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He doesn't know

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Shit, guess I'll be waiting longer than I thought

you might wanna fact check that again user, because it shows how casual you are in terms of this convo

If you want to go ball the $500 R9 beats Intel HEDT.

FUCK OFF THE THE M.2 MEME
GIVE ME X4s

Not that user but what changed? I don't keep up with tech news but I always saw posts from here deriding AMD for many different reasons back in the day

>quad cores from 2012 with no bottleneck
maybe with low end GPUs. If you have a halfway modern GPU, then couple your old 4c/4t i5 with slow DDR3 is a noticeable bottleneck.

Got slightly OC'd 4770k with 1070gtx. Stable 60FPS at 1440p for most modern games (DMCV, Hitman 2, MHW, still haven't tried Kiwami 2 though). The only reason I'd want to upgrade is them M.2 SSD's, but I'd wait until PCIe 4.0 motherboards become more accessible.

The 3700X beats it and will be $329. You have to be a literal retard to keep buying intel after July.

Gonna buy Intel just to spite you. Cope.

>prebuilt shite laptop and pc

KYS, only retards have money to waste on a prebuilt

I'll use my 4790k for another 5 years, maybe more, this zombieload and spectre shit is a letdown though. Might even buy Ayymd if emulator performance gets better.

ayymd drones you have to go back

Not everybody spent 4 years getting a degree to learn how to construct these computer systems. Be more humble, not more of a prick.

This and based, I still use my hd7970 4gb and 8gb ram with a shitty i5 25k that's never ever been touched and I use it on anything, only game my pc has stopped being able to run is rising storm 2

>no pci
wtf?!?!

>pc
Don't own one m80

> 4 years

Actually if you looked at YouTube it would take probably about 1 day to learn how to build your own, I bet it feels nice wasting 4 grand on a prebuilt, knowing I could make it myself for 1 grand or less

m8 this is something you spend 2 days learning

>Not that user but what changed?
What do you think? They got better. AMD being bad is a shit tier meme that is only spouted by boomers who haven't kept up on the latest tech.

I'm pleasantly surprised. For a long time I thought AMDfags were just delusional poor third worlders and shills, but I guess their loyalty paid off in the end.

motherboards stopped having PCI years ago.
Time to upgrade your expansion cards, gramps.

Sorry, I have a life outside of stupid hardware shit and don't have the time to go through learning how to put together what amounts to some expensive Lego set.

>Just ignore that lots of games are starting to use more than 4 cores
Congrats on dumbest post in thread.

Where's the AGP graphics slot??

Mobile devices will probably launch later.
Inductor count does not mean that there are actually 16 phases

How retarded are you? Are you so stupid that you think a cpu can run without a heatsink? Everybody uses aftermarket heatsinks so there isnt any point including them with the cpu.

m8 he meant the VRMs

>4 year degree to put together legos that are keyed so they can only go in one way
>something a hollywood celeb managed to do with zero training or know-how so he could get closer to his kid

my man this bait is pretty high grade, i give it at least 1.5 (You)s

Retard with money to burn, lmao what a nonce, bye bye sweetie

The MOSFETs have no cooling solution, meaning they'll cook themselves if you push too much power.

>he's still living in 2014

user, I...

>man says he has life while posting on Yea Forums
my sides

Where's the heatsink on this CPU buddy? Checkmate.

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Derp. My bad. Vrm's get fucking HOT with no problems though. As long as you have any airflow at all it shouldn't be a problem.

Don't really know if it's worth it while it's still on AM4 to be honest. I've got an R5 2600 @ 4ghz all-core and I doubt I can justify spending $329 for the 3700X (which is what I'd get). Almost want to wait until they graduate to a new board and do a complete upgrade

I'm still using my cpu from 2011. My AMD Phenom needed a retirement ages ago.

The Ryzen chipset was released and labeled with numbers 3, 5 and 7, obviously aiming to rival the i3, i5 and i7 Intel CPUs respectivelly, and they did a fantastic job at that. They don't suck at single-core performance anymore like the Bulldozer CPUs did.

Im in same boat as you. I have 2600x, but its bottlenecking my 1080 ti. I eould love to upgrade, but dunno if it would be worth. I guess selling current mb and cpu would cover some part of expense

The liquid it's soaking in is the heatsink, you dildo. Not even mad though, that is a cool webm.

>Everybody uses aftermarket heatsinks

Not everybody. I used the heatsink that came with my CPU for a year before I decided to overclock and it was perfectly fine cooling the CPU at its stock clock/voltage.

Maybe.
It means that there will be 16 lines. 10 or 12 to cores probably.

My cpu budget was $400 so it was that intel or the 3800x. If the 3700x already beats it for vidya then I should be in even better shape with a 3800x, right?

>lol I don't have the time to learn basic shit that takes a couple of hours!
>posts on Yea Forums

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>stock clocks and voltage

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>AMD is good again
I remember the first time they blew out Intel with their dual core processors. My Athlon 64 X2 was beast. Then I had a 955 Black before I upgraded to my current 4690K because AMD had fallen off the fucking wagon hard at that point. I might got AMD next upgrade.

>>being forced into Win10
holy shit look a this snail

Absolutely. I'm still running the same i5-2500K I bought brand new in 2011, and I'm finally ready to replace it. I've gotten so used to the stutter from 100% CPU usage on modern games that my brain doesn't actually believe they'll run as smoothly on a 3600 as older games like New Vegas do on my 2500K, but they damn sure better considering there's an 8 year difference between them.

I also need to upgrade my GPU, but I'm hoping Nvidia will announce something and the 10 series stuff will get just a tiny bit cheaper. I had to buy a 970 a couple years ago to replace my prone-to-artifacting R9 290, and I swear it performs worse than that GPU did. I run a triple monitor set up so I have a feeling I might be getting fucked by the 3.5gb meme even though I only use one of the displays for games. If I can grab a 1070 for $200 and get like $60-$80 back from the 970 I'll be damn happy.

What are the odds of the 3600s selling out immediately? Did previous recent CPU launches suffer from selling out due to demand? I really don't want to wait any longer than I have to.

This is literally one of the most successfully insulting posts I've ever seen on Yea Forums and it will go completely unappreciated by everyone that isn't me.

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That metallic square called IHS is a heatsink.

is 3770 non k a bottleneck by today standards ?

I'm running an overclocked 3570K and a 980ti and I don't intend to upgrade my cpu until 2020 or so. And if I do that I'll also need to upgrade my mobo, RAM, OS, and I might as well get a new cooler and case while I'm at it.

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Prebuilt PC is a meme yes but some people need capable portable computers.

I think the 3800x will just be a binned 3700x, probably overclocks better and also higher out of the box clocks but you could probably save some money and manually overclock a 3700x

I get the feeling that you don't understand what a power phase is
A lot of the time, board designers will double up on the components and run them in sets of two, since it technically runs cooler and looks more marketable, but doesn't need to spend more on doublers.

>tfw everyone here is discussing upgrading their Ryzen CPUs
>tfw I still have an FX-8320

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I might do it anyway because I'm bored and have money desu. Combine it with Navi which hopefully won't suck ass

I'm waiting until next year.
May get a 4k monitor this year though.

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>OS
You know what to do.

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By that point next-gen consoles will be out with GPUs stronger than your 980ti so have fun upgrading that too.

>2500k and a 970
Literally me. The 3.5gb meme was manageable at first but it's really falling off with newer games. I can't decide between trying to find a used 1080ti or going for a 2080 or something like that.

Basically any modern game that uses the CPU at all runs my 2500k at max and makes it stutter like a bitch. And emulators just choke on it now. Never mind with all the exploits going on, Intel CPU's are literally getting weaker every day.

Windows 7 support is almost over. Your only other options are GNU/Linux and Windows 8.1, the former lacking compatibility and the latter being worse than 10.

You just need to match shit that looks matched. It's fucking impossible mix up shit and plug things on the wrong ports.

That makes sense, though I was planning on overclocking the thing regardless. If the 3800x has better overclocking potential than the 3700x I might still spring for it.

>tfw build a brand new pc every 3 or 4 years instead of upgrading along the way
>last one was late 2017 with a gtx 1080 ti/7700k
>one before that was gtx 780 ti/4790k in late 2014
>before that was a gtx 590/i7 960 in mid 2011
>before that i just put a gtx 470 in a shitty prebuilt pc in 2010

This "hobby" is expensive as fuck.

I'd say anything with 4 cores or less is a bottleneck if you want to play new games on it

>le Windows 10 bad meme
>muh botnet
>unironically thinking Microsoft can't spy on you if you use Windows 7

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If Trump actually goes through with China tariff war, all PC parts will become extremely expensive.
If you plan on buying electronics, do it asap.

What if I'm not Ameritardian?

>gtx 590
Remember these dual GPU shitfests? SLI in one fucking card that didn't work most of the time, and it was advertised as 3GB but was below 1.5gb VRAM per GPU.

>>tfw build a brand new pc every 3 or 4 years instead of upgrading along the way
>This "hobby" is expensive as fuck.

Yeah no fucking shit it's expensive as fuck when you're stupid with your money.

those times are long gone friend. A 500USD chip overtook Shittels best chip both in multicore and singlecore perfromance.

Just get 3200 or 3300g budget cpus. I can vouch for budget ryzens. I had 1300x before 2600x and it was nice little beast combined with my old 970

I guess we'll have to wait for the reviews to confirm, but I remember with the 1700 and the 1700x they're basically the same once overclocked

Processors and other parts are sourced from Taiwan, and a lot of the time assembled here. The Tariffs are only based on the parts of the product that were made/assembled in China, not the whole thing.
Your prices were worse to begin with

As far as I know, the X variants are just pre overclocked cpu's.

When I finally decide to upgrade in the next couple of months I'll have to buy an AM4 socket MB anyway and then I'll invest in a slightly stronger Ryzen chip, not just an entry level one. I appreciate the advice though.

you're good senpai
it's a terrible time to be an American right now.

It would be anyway. Have to get MOBO/CPU/RAM together or nothing at all, and that point you may as well get a brand new GPU as well. While you're going rebuild your PC anyway, you may as well get a PC case to go with it, and at that point you may as well sell off your old PC and get storage devices as well.

You want to tell me that its 8*2? With all these radiators?

Just please don't fail me with Navi, AMD. I expected your cpu to shit all over Intel because that's not hard. If the Navi you they showed today undercuts the 2070 by $50-$100 I'll finally be upgrading my trusty 570

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Are you me?

Here are charts for new gen, it will be worth it. Combine with budget 450/470 board and your golden

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typically how tariffs work is if a product gets processed in China it is immediately shipped to the US and the tariffs will be applied even if they spent barely any time in China.
Things like processed foods, drugs, and even toilet paper will go up in cost.

didn't watch press conference but need new cpu/mobo because lightning storm, is this a good time to get a previous gen amd cpu?

so where in this process does china get hurt

Fuck I have a 1600, do I have to buy a new motherboard for zen 2?

Maybe next year, my current rig isn’t even 2 years old yet

Nigga no, Adored got close but there's 100% accurate list on AMD's website

PC upgrading is a deep rabbit hole, but at least the GPU is the only thing you have to worry about for a few years until more cores become the standard, at which point you need a motherboard/cpu as well.

You don't have to buy a new mobo if it has decent VRMs. Just update it and slot the new CPU in. Easy peasy.

No you won't need a new mobo as long as the bios gets updated to support zen 2

Yes, they are cheaper now. But why not current gen amd? Thry eill cost the same as higher end previous gen and perform better and support same mb's
What mb? They said to support them, but I knoe they are leaving out some lower end boards

>MOBO/CPU/RAM together

Why though? Buying new RAM has nothing to do with a new CPU/MB and a new CPU only requires a new MB if it's a new socket. It makes no sense to just buy an entirely new PC and scrap your old RAM, HDD/SSD, PSU, case and GPU simply because you had to change your MB because you were buying a new CPU.

That list became wrong this past evening. I actually wish it was right though.

Some pawn shops will buy PC parts if you have all the paperwork and stuff needed to explain why it's valuable to them to buy and sell.
I sometimes will buy parts for my PC then less than 6 months later replace them and lose almost no money for it.
or you could always sell them online but you need thermal packaging and USPS doesn't carry it I don't think

My bad

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second gen ryzen boards supported pci, stfu. legacy support will never not be important.

Until a few months ago I was also running 8gb 1333mhz RAM, which was the same RAM that I purchased with the 2500K. Luckily a friend upgraded and gave me his 16gb 1866mhz kit for free. Sadly the speed didn't make a noticeable difference, but I wasn't surprised considering that even 1866 is almost half the speed of most modern kits. I was actually hitting 8gb usage in GTA V before the swap, though, and every time it hit the game started running at seconds per frame. It really doesn't matter, though, because even without maxing out the RAM I still get so much stutter from 100% CPU that I just don't want to play.

I forgot to mention it in my first post, but i actually purchased Metro Exodus on Steam and I haven't even launched it once yet because I know it will run like garbage on my rig. It's going to be the first thing I play on the new build, and man I cannot fucking wait.

goddamn RGB LEDS look so fucking gay

well not if you have a cracked/pirated one. why do brainlets pay for OS these days

I'm emulating PS3 with a 2500k

It's probably OCD. The only thing I've ever reused was an HDD from 2011 all the way up to 2017, at which point I got a 1tb Samsung SSD and 250gb M.2 for the OS/programs.

Why so many tech sites ran with his figures when he's a known amd drone is beyond me.

i'm using an FX-4100 and i'm CPU-bottlenecked in every game

I dunno about where you live but in Australia there are always ebay store sales on pc parts, you can usually pick up even new release stuff for 30-50 dollars off. I'll just wait a month or so for one of these sales instead of getting an old gen part

his numbers weren't far off. The biggest difference is that R5s and R7s are one tier higher than he said. Otherwise the differences aren't huge. A lot can change in the development process in 5 months

>Ryzen 5 3600
>6C, 12T
This baby will probably cost around 200€ here in Europe when it comes out. What are the chances of it being that much better than a 1600? Those cost 130-140€ right now.

Still have an i5-2500K and will continue to hold out as long as possible before upgrading.

I've just sold or given away my old PCs to family members. I gave my brother my old GTX 1080/4690k rig free of charge before I built the one I use now, and I've sold some high end GPUs to my cousins for less than $100.

If Navi is good I'm going full and this summer for my new build

I have a cracked copy of W10 and the services it runs in the background still send data about my usage to Microsoft servers by default. The crack simply gets around the copy protection, it doesn't magically stop Microsoft's data sending services from working exactly like they do in the legit version. You're a brainlet for thinking it works like this. You can go in deep and disable these services one by one through registry edits and Powershell commands but cracked copies are connected to Microsoft servers all the same.

They're still third worlders and shills.

AMD's entire shtick is be the cheaper alternative to Intel.

I still have the stock cooler installed and nothing happened yet

Higher base clock for about 400mhz, 2x bigger l3 cache and just newer technology all around. It will be clearly better

Haven't been keeping up with the Intel exploits meltdown, huh?

And yet the Ryzen product line is beating Intel's equivalents in terms of performance. Wow you're so smart for spending more money on a product that delivers worse performance. Fuck off kike

>tfw alternated between AMD and nVidia GPUs every time i get a new comp
>AMD is up next

Come on AMD dont fuck this up

yeah no.
4 out of 64 AM4 boards listed at my local retailer still have PCI support.
Same ratio for LGA1151 boards.

PCI is dead

Rate my new build. It's replacing my AMD FX 4100 from 2011.

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Why would anyone upgrade when their current rig already works? People who buy for the sake of being the latest are retarded.

I appreciate this post also.

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>gtx 470
This series had the loudest GPUs in history of GPUs. It sounded like a jet taking off every time you ran a modern gamer. I bought this shit for The Witcher 2 back in the day, and I had to use headphones with the volume cranked up to the max to keep my sanity while playing it.

Because they want better performance? Jesus Christ what a fucking retarded question.

>not paying $500 for a intel cpu that will lose 50% performance over the next 2 years as they patch all the exploits
clearly the superior choice

Why would you buy a Ryzen 2000 when the 3000's are like 2-3 months away?

It's a very common practice, so you shouldn't immediately equate inductor count with real phase numbers.
Apparently they did manage to fit 14 phases in somehow, which is a bit silly considering this is AM4 and not LGA 2066
AMD offers better scalability. You can upgrade multiple times on the same motherboard, which is independent of how cheap the initial cost is. Somebody who bought a Kaby Lake CPU has to buy a new board and CPU every time, even though there shouldn't be any reason for that.

>hurr I get triggered by people spending their own money on a hobby they care about

Only envious poorfags make posts like these

Dont cheab out on mobo user, get at least gigabyte aorus ultra,its like $20 but already has zen 3 bios and is all around great

Getting new hardware every single year is what a sucker does.

Fugg I didn't know that.

I just know that my PC runs like shit and I looked up threads on plebbit and everyone said that R2600 was the best match for my GTX 1060 which I already have.

It's a heat spreader not heatsink

>every single year

Who's even talking about yearly upgrades, you faggot? Take your strawman and goal post moving elsewhere. You just implied in your previous post that upgrading is retarded unless your hardware literally dies on you, and now you're changing your argument to be about annual upgrading?

I don't have $230 to spend on a mobo.

You can still cancel lmao

Got an RTX 2060 and a 2600X, how long will this last me if i just wanna play 1080p Ultra?

based

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I don't really understand how you entered a thread about the Ryzen 3000's and didn't realize they were almost out, but yeah.

Dude he's coming from an fx 4100, it's like going from a bycicle to a motorcycle

Christ, these people probably think that PC is immersed in water too. These are the kind of idiots building PC's now.

I'm not even the original guy you were responding to, retard, and he has a point. If your rig is fully functional and plays modern games reasonably well, there's no point in upgrading at all until it becomes a significant upgrade years later. There's a difference between being a poorfag and being an idiot who just throws money away to get an imperceptible upgrade outside of benchmarking programs.

Yeah but it still makes sense to wait until the new ones are out because a. he might want to invest a bit more and get a brand new CPU or b. the prices for the older ones will drop making it worth the extra wait.

More like a wheelbarrow

Without a doubt its still a huge leap, but its the worst possible time to be upgrading right now.

>I'm not even the original guy you were responding to

Then I'm not interested in your drivel because I wasn't talking to you. Thanks for understanding.

Don't worry ryzen 3000 won't be as cheap as 2000 serie and your $150 2600 is a worthy upgrade to what you have

>guy says it's stupid to upgrade until your hardware fails
>he has a point! it's stupid to upgrade every year!

You're retarded.

I'm so fucking pumped, just gotta wait for the DAW benchmarks to come out but I'm pretty sure the 3900X is gonna be my next CPU.

I should really wait for the guaranteed 16 core version later but I can't fucking wait any more

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The 15% ipc improvement alone means the 2600/2600x is kinda irrelevant unless you already own one

What do you even think this thread is about?
>LATEST CPU IS COMING SOON SO YOU ARE GETTING IT LIKE YOU GOT THE LATEST ONE LAST YEAR RIGHT

No one is actually turning it off, though.

I think it will be worth waiting. Jumping the gun too early is worse in the CPU market since things are moving quickly

I have a i7-6700 currently and that 3700x for 329$ is looking like a juicy upgrade. I want to ask tho since I heard you need to have 3000mhz+ ram for AMD shit. I currently only have 16gb 2400mhz right now and won't be able to upgrade anytime soon since I'm buying a new mobo and cpu. Will I be ok?

Since all but a small handful of shitty AAA games use more than a few threads, no.

4c/4t is fine and I will change when it isn't, which isn't going to be for many years still

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>asking "are you upgrading" implies that everyone bought a Ryzen CPU last year

I wish I was stupid enough for this post to make any sense to me.

You'll be "okay", but you'll lose a decent amount of fps in many games, like 10+ at times.

What are the budget models for Zen 2? Won't they have 6/8 core versions?

The thread is filled with people who have 5 year old CPUs and are looking to maybe upgrade this year when the new ones are released. Read the thread, retard

You're just not intelligent enough to infer the true meaning from that quote, brah.

I can finally let my 3770k retire, gonna blow my load during the black friday sales

There are still poorly multithreaded AAA games? I thought this was a thing of the past.

Okay guys I decided to cancel the order. It hadn't shipped yet anyways.

I guess I need to lurk more before buying PC upgrades.

You're just not intelligent enough to read, brah.

I just bought a 2600X a month ago and with my 1070 I've been able to run anything I throw at it at 60fps at 1080p. I see no reason to buy this any time soon.

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Recently got a RTX 2060 Gaming oc pro for a reasonable price but i still have my old i5 3570 clocked @ 4.4Ghz so I'm considering a 3600x or something when they come out.

The i5 is fine for most things but for certain games i think my ram is bottle necking it. I get almost 100% cpu usage in stuff like mordhau and monster hunter which is ridiculous.

Ram is supposed to be 2133 but it wont run at that speed any more without locking up a few minutes after boot since i spelt milk into my pc.

Could probably replace the ram but it seems pointless buying more DDR3 ram these days.

people are excited about zen 2 precisely because nothing interesting has happened for so long, especially on intel's side.

of course they do

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Cause gen 2 is gonna get a price cut?
If you are cool with that performance then why not

This all that has been announced so far, so no low end yet.

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If you have a limited budget, would you invest most into motheboard, cpu, gpu, ram?

>Playing at 60 fps

Maximum pleb.

Depends on how limited your budget is, how much can you spend total?

Just play lightweight shit for a few months. God knows my Phenom II still has hundreds of hours of entertainment in it.

$199 looks pretty low end to me

For what, exactly?
Pc gets maybe 1 game per 3 years, while the rest is just console ports that don't need a ryzen zen 2.

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GPU always comes first when distributing the budget, however don't make the mistake of investing too little in other components because then you'll be bottlenecking yourself and not getting the most out of your GPU anyway.

1440p/144hz master race, though most games can't get anywhere near the cap with a GTX 1080 TI. I'm just gonna move on to 4k/60hz within the next few years.

Depends on pricing. Ryzen 3000 is 15-20% faster but if you can get a 2600 for $100 then that's not a bad deal for a poorfag budget build.
Reminder: A 4Ghz 6-core was $600 just 3 years ago.

I feel robbed for upgrading my PC last year to a 2700x, but that's how it is in the tech department, always evolving.
I won't probably upgrade since MSI won't even release a bios update for my x470 mobo, don't buy MSI lads they're jews.

>4c/4t is fine
gross. you're eventually going to want to play some newer title that requires at least 6c, but were too stubborn to upgrade to a $150 2600x.

add a $70 board and $60 16gb kit and you've paid just around the cost of a ps4 to be somewhat future proof.

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user....

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if your goal is to play games then it's GPU, you probably don't have a 144 hz monitor if you're asking about limited budget so CPU won't be a big problem (but don't get the absolutely minimum).

Also in my opinion you should look into 2nd hand stuff, I've been buying 2nd hand GPUS since the 560ti came out and never had a problem, second hand 8gb RX580s for example go stupidly cheap (cheaper than 1060s which they're better than).

>4k/60hz
jesus dude, why? 1440p/144hz is perfection. the only time i'd give a shit about 4k/60hz is if i'm playing tomb raider, or some other cinematic storied title that doesn't require competitive moment.

If I had a limited budget and my current knowledge I'd go on a scavenger hunt on ebay.
Not really, AMD offer plenty of lower-brow CPUs: Ryzen 3, Athlons. $199 is just an extremely reasonable price for what we'll probably get, if the IPC spike info holds true.

this is also a really good board. it's amazing that people still think you need to pay $200+ for a motherboard, as if the features on said board are something they'd even use.

Ok well the google results showed me a $230 board when I searched for the shit you mentioned earlier.

>jesus dude, why?

Because 4K is a bigger resolution than 1440p

$200 is midrange.
Low end processors are $100.

Because TN/IPS image quality is fucking garbage and you're not getting OLED or Micro LED with high refresh rates above 1080p any time soon. I played some games at 4k/60 on my LG C8 OLED and the image quality is like night and day, to the point where the higher refresh rate almost doesn't make up for it.

You're just making.life for your rig shorter. Im still sticking eith 1440p because it allows tou to pudh highrr visuals and fps while still look much crisper than 1080p. 4k really is meme, I noticed that when playing ps4 pro on 55" bravia oled, since most ps4 pro enchanced titles like spiderman, god of war, horizon are 1800p eith checkerboarding and they look nice af, same for days gone

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Yeah but no one wants to have the windows start bar burned into their TV after a year.

>which isn't going to be for many years still
next gen consoles are supposedly going to have 8c16t ryzen 2 chips,so whenever that happens.

I don't really play any competitive games except for fighting games and they're all capped at 60.

and 4k with HDR looks nice, like, really nice. Especially on a 43 inch monitor.

The good news is soon you won't have to choose with HDMI 2.1 coming out, most high end televisions (samsung QLED and LG OLED for example) are already 120 hz panels with HDR they just lack the I/O to take advantage of that. HDMI 2.1 also has VRR.

Pretty soon 120-144hz 4k televisions with HDR, variable refresh rate and close to single digit input latency will be normal, and i for one am pleased as punch.

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Memory bandwidth is important, but it isn't worth buying a new kit for
Most of the money goes directly to paying for VRM setups. A lot of motherboards and video cards can spend upward of $50 on power delivery

They're not going to put 16 thread chips into the PS5, it's gonna be 8 cores/8 threads at best.

Just bought a 2600x last Christmas so no.
Still in the market to upgrade from this 750ti though

how can it work underwater?

Sorry, but i will never buy used. Who knows what the guy was doing with it, and if it dies 2 weeks after i get it, where will i get refund?

there's no reason for them to gimp them by removing hyperthreading. 8c16t makes the most sense.

It's either not water, or de ionized water.

What the fuck man that's a horrible card, please upgrade.
You'll be blown away by the difference.

>$499
So 600€ in Europe

I have a Ryzen 2600x, is there any real reason to upgrade from this?

What kind of panel monitor should I get for 1440p/144hz vidya?
I hear people pushing IPS but the backlight bleed sounds like a big problem.

The fuck. You have massive bottleneck

The reason for gimping them would be saving money, 8 core CPUs are still quite expensive.
They're also putting a Navi and a high tier SSD into that thing, they'll need to cut unnecessary corners as much as possible and even then they'll have to sell at a loss.

The image quality will be shit either way. TNs have to be viewed at a correct angle to not have visible artifacts, and IPS has dead pixels out the ass and backlight bleed as well as more latency.

No, not really.

If you have money to piss away sure, get the ryzen 9

No it's fine, maybe in 2-3 years there might be a point to upgrading.

They said they are using psn profits to cover massive loss for them at launch, they really are not fucking around. Leap will be immense

Probably not
Going for the IPS models does make the most sense, because TN is not as versatile.

I play old games anyway so i don't need to upgrade that much. But even if play those games, my PC will freeze after like 5 minutes and then restart itself. No blue screen. Anyone with idea what it can be? Can it be psu?

What about VA? What panel types are generally good for vidya if not those two?

>wanting to upgrade my pc
>skyrim and stellaris will have the same fps thanks to the trash engine and there's no games that require a good pc
Bannerlord pls you are my last hope

>tfw just bought a 2nd hand system with an i5 7600 and a gtx 1070
Jesus Chris should I upgrade soon already boys? I only care about playing on 1080p 60 fps.

Reminder that as long as you have video/sound drivers, you can install anything on modern CPUs up to DOS.
youtube.com/watch?v=KFEpHEXBCbA

Any words on Navi? Tired of my vega 56 sounding leafblower when running games at 1440p

Navi willl at most be like 15% faster. Now worth it.

Have you undervolted?

This. Us true gamers are still using 4gb of ram and on our 1080p 23.5 inch monitors. Fuck out of Yea Forums with your rgb placebo shit.

No prices or specific models until E3, but they showed a Navi GPU that was about 10% better than the 2070

>i5 3470
>8gb ddr3
>radeon 7870

Would you say it's time?

Definitely time.

Yeah, time to build a new PC from the ground up. That's what happens when you don't upgrade over time. Hope you've saved up.

Since this is a tech tread, what is the next most logical GPU to upgrade to from 1060 6GB for 1080p 60+/144Hz?

I will just wait for zen2 and navi and then decide. Thanks.

Do I need to upgrade my i5 7600?

None. You don't upgrade a GPU that's only 1 generation old. Stop being an idiot.

I was gonna get the 3800X but for 100$ more for a 12-core and the same TDP
I'm gonna go for the 3900x
Intel is done, get fucked lmao

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What a weird question, do you feel like you need to? Are you hitting the fps you want at the settings you want?
If not, what's your GPU? Because upgrading that would most likely give you a bigger boost.

Wish everybody was thinking like you. Too many of intel drones. Intel needs to fucking drown with their overpriced shit.

2070 or 5700

and this is why 3800x exists, solely to have something in-between the $329 8c part and the $500 12c one

I am going to upgrade, but
>truck broke down
>Getting less hours at job
>Schools starts again in Fall
>Mom almost fucking died today
It will be a while before I can save up enough

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She's not dead yet so that has nothing to do with your finances

Maybe next year if I have spare cashes. My 4790k is still holding up well.

DUDE WTF, NO ISA SUPPORT EITHER

Yeah.
From my AM3

A gtx 1070. I'm hitting the performance I'm looking for but my OCD is acting up and I feel as if my rig won't last the next few years.

If you can afford it etc, go for it.

I'd rather have 8 powerful cores with Intel than 16 weak cores with AMD. Quality over quantity.

>he doesn't know

How are you posting from 2012?

If he was the core numbers would be half of that, though.

Embarrassing

This. I hate win 10. And there is no driver support for linux or 7

I'd rather have higher fps than a receipt with extra 0's tacked onto the end.

Who said anything about spying? It's about the OS being a mess where meeting schedules is more important than QA.

Also where is that data going? Certainly not delivering a good user experience.

AMD doesn't even have mainstream 16-cores, its literally a fake leak from a know fake news AMD fanboy

All the AMDrones who shilled for a 5Ghz, 16-core CPU look like total morons now

Half of first generation Ryzen motherboards aren't even useable for the new 3rd generation Ryzen, yet these drones and blind faithful kept shilling and insisting that they never needed a motherboard change

>no driver support for linux
Based retard.

does it need a new Socket/Motherboard?

>People are playing modern games with quad cores from 2012 with no bottleneck.
Because that's false in more and more cases.
t. own 2013 i5, in fact my just as old GPU is less of a bottleneck
>Why in the actual fuck would you spend money each and every year to minuscule performance gains?
Why do you assume people upgrade shit every year? The only thing I added to my PC since 2013 is SSD.

Only if Zen2's top-end chip is more than 20% faster than 2700x on gaming loads. If it isn't, then I'll stick with my 8700k despite the hyperthreading nerf, and wait until Intel releases a 10nm without security flaws.

Nope

that and AMD have always sucked dick for emulation. Their GPU are always a joke too
Literally the only thing AMD are for are lowering the price on the usable PC hardware.

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Yeah I'm upgrading
This 3570k had a good run, right up until spectre/meltdown slowed my shit

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This heat spreader is a heat sink.

> It's a very common practice
For cheap motherboards.

>that and AMD have always sucked dick for emulation.
Unless it's an actually good emulator like PPSSPP that runs better on AMD.

Of course gonna wait for benchmarks, but probably gonna go all in on that 3900x from 6600k.

Is this really worth getting over a 9900ks?

>costs less the same or less depending on sales
>performs better in gaming and multithreaded workloads
>will cool better
You tell me.

>old 3770k build got bricked by a brown out
>flush with cash, but get a cheap as dirt 1700 and rando MSI mobo + memory during one of ebay's 20% off days

glad I held off of shooting my wad on 2700s and such, now I get to go extremely ham on this, or wait a bit and see what intel's last minute "look at us pls" chip will do. I'm def. getting something nice this year.

Considering the constant security issues I would stay the fuck away from their shit until they can definitively say they've fixed everything with a new architecture. At the moment you could end up with a paperweight in 2 years, like what is happening to the poor fucks that bought the 7700k

honestly, weren't spectre/meltdown more relevant to hosting providers than to end-users? VM reach-across, etc? I haven't read into zombieload at all, but that was my impression. Still a fair concern with intel shitting their pants hard right now. Also, what's this about 7700ks being fucked now?

Still rocking 2560x1080@60Hz. No need to upgrade at all.

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At the moment Intel recommends turning off Hyperthreading to combat against zombieload. If you have a 7700k some games will lose up to 50% of their framerate with HT turned off. Of course they haven't release their "fix" yet so it might not be as bad in future. But I still wouldn't risk losing performance in the future on current Intel hardware, cause you just know there are more security holes they haven't found yet.

Motherboard is most important. Needs to be decent, you are plugging all your expensive parts into it. It needs to not be shit. Also, power supply needs to be good too. For similar reasons. CPU, GPU and RAM are tertiary concerns.

reeee what's with all those gay gaming decals on the x570 boards

Planning to buy all the shit on Black Friday on the off-chance Intel has a counteroffer, but seems pretty great.

GPU, but keep your target resolution in mind, no point in overkill

>Socket AM4
That's nice to hear. I have a 2600X so I'm good for a while though.

I'm still enjoying my FX-8350, Ryzen will have to come later.

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Please let their navi lineup be good so I can finally upgrade from my i5 2400 and my garbage gpu

If it works in my first gen ryzen motherboard: probably
If it doesn't: wait for ryzen 4000 or 5000

9900ks is just a factory overclocked 9900k.

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The one they showed yesterday was 2070 performance +10% for what is rumored to be basically the same price of around $450-$500. Not super exciting imo.

Wrong post

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>People are playing modern games with quad cores from 2012 with no bottleneck.
yeah nah

I have ASROCK Taichi x470, so it should handle proper overclocking on high-end chips
I will try to get 3900x, but 3800x looks fine too

I just sold my 2400g system. Unstable as fuck and no Windows 7 drivers for APU.

Google "2400g black screen" before you consider the 3000 APU.

>3800x
>not 3900x, which should provide better single-threaded performance and higher clocks
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I understand that they may wish to showcase their mid-way solution, but I'm still not fully convinced that 3900x will be better for gaming, even tho it should be on paper

Yeah i plan on maybe upgrading this year.

does cpu matter alot in 1440p 144hz? I'm on a 1070ti right now and a i7-6700k and was wondering if I should buy the 3700x? will that boost my fps a bit? The new GPUs are expensive as hell and I rather wait till prices drop so I'm looking at my other parts to upgrade.

single core boost clocks are irrelevant for gaming. Nothing today only runs on one core.
3800x is simply better for gaming because it's all on one chiplet.

3800x is 8 cores, 2 CCX on 1 chiplet. (4 cores per CCX)
3900x is 12 cores, 4 CXX spread across 2 chiplets. (3 cores per CCX)

amd just beat the shit out of intel in every possible category today

Resolution, not so much, 144hz - yes. If anything my biggest gripe against Ryzen is worse performance on high framerates compared to intel

I bought my laptop $500, it's because money is an issue that I can't afford a PC.

>1440p 144hz

You need at least a 1080.

ryzen 3rd gen, amd chips that are now competitive with intel's

use a tool that shows you GPU and CPU utilization. That way you can see if it's a bottleneck.

A 6700k will be a bottleneck in some games but not too serious to warrant an upgrade.

no
2500K 4 life baby

Enjoying these sub 60fps drops?

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>15W TDP southbridge with active cooling

That's a big yikes from me. Glad I stuck with intel. This 8600k is still blazing fast, even after 3 mitigation patches. Plus I know I'm ironclad security wise.

Most people would be fine with a $400 laptop outputting to a 1080p screen and they don't even realize it.

I don't play garbage so I'm fine

>You need at least a XXXX
Nobody listen to this. There is less than 10% difference between a 1070ti and 1080 and yet tech illiterates make stupid claims that one GPU will somehow not work at a given resolution.

that's literally what I do. I can't to spend $800+ on a PC, so I just play games from the last decade

Keep doing that, I have a high end PC and don't use it for anything other than emulation.

>after 3 mitigation patches
>I know I'm ironclad security wise.

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i have a dell not alienware laptop and it ran DOTA 2 at 60 fps medium settings
Dont use it at all mainly because now I have a PC and it's a loud motherfucker

yeah but sometimes I'd like to play the recent multiplayers games, by the time I can play them they're dead af

anyone can build a pc retard

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what about someone without arms?

Become a state alchemist

what?

I'm pretty sure you can insert cards in PCIe slots with your feet. Cable management will be wonky, though.

I built mine wrong and short circuited my motherboard. dont under estimate the power of stupidity.

heh

Do you think AMD might deliver on GPUs next time? If I wanted something similar in power to a 2080ti, how much would AMD's take on it cost? $800?

AMD can either deliver good cpus or GPUs, not both

see I knew some smart ass would say that so I thought about writing limbs instead but then you would have say they could use their teeth.

lurk moar

>weeb shit

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Thats really good weebshit to you nigger

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>cantonese cat-herding website

it's about time we cast you out of here
I'm sure it's better than some other weebshit but it's still weebshit

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What's this retarded meme? The 2500k is slower than even midrange first gen Ryzen stuff, if you think it's "good enough" then fine but you better hope you never experience a better CPU in your life or else you will want to spend money on a nonshit system.

why tho

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>it's about time we cast you out of here
Sure, not like there's anything of value left anymore
I'm going to trannycord

Never had problems in my games
The last open world meme game I played was Rage 2 and I was GPU limited with a GTX 1080

okay, good riddance

You are retarded, let your mom handle finances.

>2080ti
>4gig version
what is the fucking point?

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My 4690k is starting to show its age in some of my games and in my workflow, I also wanted to take the opportunity to start from scratch. What’s a good mITX motherboard with good OC potential?

Probably cheaper. The normal version is 11GB for $1000+

but will it handle emulation well?

Yes, but the whole idea of having a 2080ti is to play on 4K or ateast 1440p with high FPS. 4GB of VRAM won't cut it, might aswell stick with a standard 2070 or 2080.

I have a R5 1600 and it plays PCSX2 fine at max FPS, is this meme from the bulldozer era?

what abvout cemu?

Haven't tried it but there are probably benchmarks around

OK, retard.

what gpu do you have?>

GTX 1060 6GB

Speccy doesn't report vram correctly dinguses. There's no such thing as a 4gb 2080ti.

>speccy
there is only a 11gb version

Based mommy Su cutting into all of Intels markets and winning hard.

No wonder the jews fear the samurai.

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>thinking a 4c8t CPU from 2014 will last another 5 years
>thinking zombieload is anything but fear mongering and will actually affect the average user
Didn't expect anything less from a Yea Forums tard

maybe in a year or 2

8700k ok for emulation?

No, retard. You need a dual 9th gen Xeon setup for that.

My Sandy Bridge niggas, represent.

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Currently on an i5-4440S
getting a 3700 or 3600 at least

Single core perf doesn't mean shit you retard. Unless you want the best possible frame rate, at which point just buy an i9, any modern Ryzen will beat your shitty little 4c4c/8t into the ground.

>L3 Cache: 64MB

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Maybe, I want to retire my 10 year old pc soon and I'd like a Ryzen which is flat out better than a 9900k (or 9700k) in every benchmark. Gaymen FPS, rendering, emulation, thermals, power draw, price, whatever really.

>>unironically thinking Microsoft can't spy on you if you use Windows 7
literally cant
>>le Windows 10 bad meme
OS that can destroy itself with unwanted updates without your input
Next smoothbrain please

>pls sir do the needful and buy ryzen refresh
nice try pajeet

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Why is everyone in the tech industry a tranny now?

PS4/One already run 8core chips you mong.

I'm on a 1230 v3 myself you tard, a 4c8t 5 y/o cpu. 4c8t will not last more than 2 years unless you're okay with stutter and bottlenecking.

>BUY NOW OR YOU'LL BE OBSOLETE WITHIN A FEW YEARS
Gee, why does that sound so familiar? Dumb poo.

how can poomd even compete

Yeah and?
How does that make modern 8 cores any cheaper, it's like you just looked at that one number and concluded that that's all there is to it, retard.
I don't understand why people who know nothing at all about tech wanna argue about it so much.

Is it finally time to upgrade my trusty i7 3770k yet?

If it's bottlenecking you, then yes.

I'm still using an i5 4690K but all these shitty security flaws and mitigations are going to fuck it over.
Still using 10890P/60 and not sure if I should upgrade the CPU or not honestly.

Nah you're right a CPU from 2014 won't be total trash in 2021, nevermind it's already struggling now
>Yea Forums tard thinks he knows anything about tech

>muh zombieload

I believe its time to upgrade my i7 7700. It's been nice knowing you Intel.

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>every year
Do people actually do this? My last computer I had for 10 years and switched out a part or two every 3-4.

>forced
Google cutom ISO and either use premade one or make your own
community.hwbot.org/topic/166612-windows-7-x64-sp1-with-integrated-drivers-for-zen/

nliteos.com/

Generally all windows7 misses are usb3.0 drivers which makes it impossible to install the system from any usb3 ports (even if you use CDROM). Once you slap usb3 drivers on it, it runs on anything.

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How long do you guys think my current build will last for 1080 Ultra?

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DISAWOW ALL DRM
DISAWOW NEW TRIPLE A GAMES
PLAY ONLY INDIE OR OLDIES BUT GOLDIES
NEVER PAY MORE THAN 35 BUCKS FOR A GAME
NEVER BUY CURRENT GEN HARDWARE
MOVE AWAY FROM WINDOWS/APPLE/JEWGLE MONOPOLIES
DAB ON NIGGERS AND JANNIES
HEIL HITLER IT'S GAMER TIME

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Ultra settings are for screenshots, High settings are for gameplay. You'll be fine.

I haven't done the mitigation, at least not yet but that doesn't matter really seeing as these security flaws should never have happened AT ALL. Don't pretend there hasn't been just one of these found there are what 2-3 now? It's all going to add up.

t. Tech Deals

Yeah i know that meme, but i like playing at Ultra if i can. lol

>waiting until next console gen happens to upgrade because that's when hardware requirements will shoot up
>stuck with 4670k and 3.5 meme card until then
I don't wanna cave, there better be some good shit by the time the ps5 gets released.

>2060 for 1080p 60
Shit, you'll be fine for years.

>2000 + 19
>buying a 1600

Good one mate

The next gen consoles will use what will be available to you at 7/7. :^)

i have a 1500x so i might upgrade if the benchmarks are good

smol brain

Nothing's gonna happen to private users. Zombieload doesn't do anything besides let programs access data they usually shouldn't have access to. If you're dumb enough to run free_movie_avengers.mp4.exe or browse shady sites without caution it's too late anyway.