The American loot box ban now has bipartisan support. It is aimed at games that are not age gated (M rated and below)...

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Tell me more about how the alleged "right" isn't communist

In practice, all games that contain lootboxes, pay to win elements, etc., will receive an automatic AO rating, because the proposal is aimed at children under 18 years of age. The developers will have to see if they are willing to assume an AO rating.

Only retarded shills would think it's not

>"cooldown" periods that can be bypassed with cash, and "pay to win" item purchases
This isn't anything akin to gambling. I don't like "games" that do this but the government doesn't have the right to stop companies from doing it

Good if you don't spend money on p2w and gambling boxes. Bad if you do spend a lot of money on p2w and gambling boxes.

Please pass.

Mobile shit on suicide watch hahahahah
AHAHAHAHAHAH

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based crabposter

It just means that having loot boxes or pay to win garbage automatically gets it rated M or AO or whatever the fuck.
If it's rated that already literally nothing happens. It's not a ban on anything.

No, 17 is underaged still, it's actually amazing that this bill will finally make the AO seal matter since consoles can't have porn anyway and PCs don't require ratings.

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Thats retarded. Im working over 50 hours per week, I don't have time to play vidya. How can I remain competitive against jobless nolife neets?

Corporations aren't people and have no rights, ergo the government can tell them to do whatever they please.

So am I the only person that thought that looked like Aniki

It is good because I hate democratic capitalism and am a commie.

>AAA Publishers now forced to go with AO rating
>console publishers also forced to allow AO rated games on their system
Best law in years if it gets passed. But it won't cause we can't have nice things.

honestly gaming was much better before these things came along

I think they have since I hate that shit and it's fucking annoying, Warframe will burn down.

they wont because AO cant be sold in the big game stores

No because 17 year olds are minors.

Learn the meaning of patience and work for your gear instead of ruining games for everyone else.

you are an adult, you can still play the games when they change their ESRB rating to AO
bonus, you will no longer have to deal with whiny children in vidya. this is a massive net positive for anyone over the age of 21.

Does the US Government often take a bipartisan stance on issues like this? I was under the impression that your major parties would literally rather die than work together...

Considering physical sales matter less and less every year, they're going to crunch some numbers, and it will show that an AO rating is more profitable afterall.

>you can still play the games when they change their ESRB rating to AO
I have to find a store willing to carry them, first

Personally I am neutral towards it. I do not like the expansion of government but I don't like the expansion of massive corporations either. There will be games that will be affected by this in ways that the bill doesn't explicitly state, which I am sure will make a lot of people nervous. For example, it could be argued that buying big ships in Star Citizen that cost hundreds of dollars is "pay to win" but to each his own whether or not that's a bad thing.

The immediate effect will be that loot boxes and most other scummy forms of "live services" will be banned, and that is a good thing. The industry is going to have to change and adapt, although it's going to cause headaches for everyone who is making games that involve microtransactions and if the legislation is even a little vague, it's going to have very far reaching consequences.

I am sure the games industry will do everything they can to lobby against having their new cash cow banned, but there is not much to defend here. Their best choice is to voluntarily give up on lootboxes to keep the government from passing a new gaming law, but we'll see if they have the foresight for that or not.

They still have the option of eliminating lootboxes through the ESRB to keep the government from getting involved, but I'm almost positive that they're not going to. This is the hill they've chosen to die on because lootboxes have made them too much money and they can't see the consequences.

>good
fuck lootboxes and fuck jews
>bad
the government is run by your grandparents and have no fucking clue what's happening in these games so they could easily make some extremely vague legislation that's useless or some extremely rigid one that could fuck over fair f2p games like Warframe

I don't have fucking time for that, also if not for the likes of me you wouldn't even have the game to play

Kingdom Hearts phone game with its vital plot and lore on suicide watch.

>ESRB decides to be bought out
>government now stepping in to regulate

I know this sets a bad precedent, but even if games go up in prices out of spite, seeing the lootbox culture burned to the ground will give me some hope for the industry.

Wrong. If it's rated M or AO, the game still can't have lootboxes or p2w purchases unless they put the mtx behind age verification.

Gambling is severely stigmatized in the US.

>this is a massive net positive for anyone over the age of 21.
Duh, why do you think Yea Forums keeps constantly screeching about it?

All politicians are, in essence, true boomers. It's obvious that they'd work together against the things that their Boomer minds don't understand.

>store
I'm sorry, did I return to the previous decade? who the fuck buys physical copies of anything anymore.

>Does the US Government often take a bipartisan stance on issues
Well I know one thing they both love

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No. This just happened to fall under both the think of the children moral crusade conservatives love as well as anti corporatism sentiment that liberals fall over themselves for.

It's very good. There is some concern that it could lead to a slippery slope of further regulation but most of the rest of what they want to regulate would be against the constitution so its probably not worth worrying about.

>For example, it could be argued that buying big ships in Star Citizen that cost hundreds of dollars is "pay to win" but to each his own whether or not that's a bad thing.
Star Citizen now hit with AO rating would be a wonderful thing.

Government intervention is never good, especially for a video game mechanic that you don't like.

Whether you like loot boxes or not, people should have the choice to partake in them if they want to. You shouldn't be able to tell other people how to spend their money.

As much as people complain about loot boxes, the market has already decided whether they want it or not. If you want to ban it for kids, that's one thing. Main people verify their age if it bothers you that much. But a blanket ban for everyone anti-freedom.

You Americans are ok after all.

Depends on the issue. Neither party is diehard about gaming.

>it's good because i have no self control and keep wasting my money on freemium games

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This is why the government needs to hire gamers

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M is 17+ and AO is 18+. AO is age restricted because it contains things like real money gambling, so lootbox games would have to be rated AO, which is basically a death sentence for sales outside of PC.

To be honest this is probably more about the massively out of control mobile games market that also has the most mass appeal and targets children with lootboxes and shit, to be honest this has been a long time coming, there has been a slew of stories about manipulated kids spending way too much over the years and to be honest I welcome this fully.
Maybe finally the mobile market will become a little less god fucking awful.

>things I personally don't like should be illegal
very compelling

Gambling is stigmatized fucking everywhere, what are you on about? It's actually stigmatized LESS in the US than in most other nations.

That said its a shame it will probably kill digital card games since I live too far from the city to play mtg in person these days. It would be nice if that genre got an exception because that's how it's always operated.

What fantasy are you living in? Corporations have more money and power today than they've ever had, some are almost comparable to God. Just a few of the corporations around the world can potentially bring some countries to their knees economically. Look at Canada for example, Railroads, oil companies, fuck even a few of their private insurance companies literally tell the government to fuck off when they try and through their weight around.

This will literally destroy the mobile and MMO markets.

Fuck off retard. One nigger ruins it for everyone else.

People who are making good and creative games are not going to be affected by this law and that's the important thing. It's the AAA fat cats who are going to get hurt, so fuck 'em.

The government isn't telling anybody they can't do anything. The government is saying that if you have those things in your games, your games have to be labeled as adult only and treated like adult only entertainment.

Also the government has the right to tell greedy corporate niggers to fuck off as much and as strongly as it wants to, faggot.

Tell us about your viceless saintly existence while shitposting on Yea Forums user.

>This passes
>All Western Publishers refuse to release games outside of India/China
Enjoy.

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No it's good because they make nothing but money grubbing trash now and there's barely anything worth playing anymore

Fuck off. Booster packs are gambling too.

Still I will gladly lose mtg arena if it means getting rid of all the other cancer.

>EA is completely against this cause they make alot of money from fifa
Americaaaaaaaaaa

Not even that. Who the fuck buys physical copies of gacha games?

We don't live in a perfect utopia where every human under the sun has any sort of willpower or vigilance, regulating people's idiocy has always been a thing.

thank fuck, either purge it or make it better, their choice

Good.
Let it burn down.
And from the ashes good videogames will finally rise again.

>Western games are saved
I see no issues here

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Games with lootboxes are not worth playing

Ain't us funding them with that divegrass money

oh no chine and india get all the manipulative jew games and I dont get to :(
Guess I'll have to play good games that dont do this shit instead...

It'll force digital cards games to change their revenue structure. The rules of the game itself won't change, just that you won't be able to use money to acquire more or better cards than another player.

So are online card games gonna be dead?

Freedom is the most retarded meme on the planet. Freedom can go fuck itself. Nobody actually *likes* lootboxes, they either tolerate them or hate them. A thousand times over I'd rather just buy what I want and go, but these fucking autistic boxes placing artificial scarcity on a texture is fucking retarded and needs to stop.

This is only relevant for online-only items, i.e. a few useless camos with a 5 minut cooldown and some op FOB weapons.

Well I don't know how other countries handling gambling. I'm only speaking for the US. He asked about the US.
Also, if gambling is stigmatized everywhere, then why did he need to ask such a question? He could have just assumed that the US was doing what everyone else does.

You act as if its for my own personal protection. It's not. It's so retards don't burn every single franchise to the ground with phone games.

I have a physical copy of overwatch on PS4

I did when I went to nipland.

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I thought Republicans wanted less government interfering with everything. Does regulating video games sound like less government to any of you?

noice

this will make AAA cut costs and get rid of those annoying diversity hires

This crusade took strength because it came to a point where people consider lootboxes as gambling. And no matter how free the market, gambling is something that is regulated by many governments around the world, only approved so that certain companies can carry them out in established places.
Developers and publishers have reached the point that lootboxes border on the legality of gambling. That is why they're attacking the "problem" before it gets out of control.

They won't stop making them. The Asia markets will continue bringing in record growth. All this does it make them pick up their ball and go play on another field.
If you think that will cause Western investors to suddenly fund different publishers, you are quite literally retarded.

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Way to miss the point, but if it's that important to them then they can throw their lobbyists at the senators to try and kill the law. Doesn't change the fact that the government can and does legislate against corporations as they technically do not have rights afforded to them.

Would they actually enforce this? I feel like game companies would find a nuanced way to say "well , your now not buying lootboxes, but instead a set amount or something digital that happens to include a random lootbox. " these laws as written may not be enough

Republicans and democrats want the same thing: votes. Nothing else matters.

Will it destroy Fortnite?

>what is the ESRB

Americans don't buy fifa much, that's Europeans who litterely buy ps4s and play nothing but fifa on them.

There is literally no situation in which a false positive should make anybody nervous.
Every single game that will get tagged under this bill is either a blatant scam or a well hidden scam. If you don't believe in that 100%, you still don't have to worry, because games tagged under this bill will still exist. If a false positives DO happen you'll still be able to enjoy those games, just with an AO label deservedly tacked on.

YES FUCKING YES FUCK YOU EA FUCK YOU UBISOFT FUCK YOU 343 AHAHAHAHAHA

>The government isn't telling anybody they can't do anything.
>Also the government has the right to tell greedy corporate niggers to fuck off

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I don't play your bullshit game and I wouldn't be sad to see it cease to exist.

Republicans only take this stance selectively.

The reasoning of the bill is that cooldowns encourage addictive spending habits in children.

Back in the arcade days you could beat an arcade game on a single quarter if you were skilled enough, which is why the government ultimately did not regulate them. Only one game tried to use microtransactions and that was Double Dragon 3, and it was soundly rejected by customers so it never became a big enough problem to get the government's attention.

They also want stricter laws on things like abortion. They're not extremists who think that think freedom means anarchy and banning exploitation is literally communism.

>The government is saying that if you have those things in your games, your games have to be labeled as adult only and treated like adult only entertainment.
Which is a thinly veiled way for the government to say they can't do this. The guy who made this bill knows that AO games are essentially a death sentence for a game. AO means no consoles and most PC platforms. Steam MIGHT carry it, but maybe they won't. Steam's policies on adult content are all over the place right now and if you're not on any major platform or a well known publisher then good luck.

>I thought Republicans were insane anarchocapitalists who wanted absolutely no government intervention in my child gambling cartel

Fortnite does not have any lootboxes or pay2win, sorry.

so all the big vidya devs should be pissed at EA for bringing it into the spotlight

cheat

Apparently, Fortnite doesn't have RNG lootboxes or pay-to-win items. It wouldn't violate the proposed law.

It's good because developers can't rely on lootboxes and pseudo-gambling as crutches, and that they actually have to EARN their money by developing quality games.

Doesn't cover the skins and stuff it does then?

Ohhhhh no...indie devs will have to pick up the slack by making quality games instead of skinner boxes

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If they actually were like that, I would never consider supporting them.
Thankfully they aren't as lolbert-leaning as a lot of their supporters seem to think.
If they could only fix their economic policies...

It's good.
Means that if companies want to sell to kids (and all the big ones do whether or not they admit it), they need to avoid predatory microtransactions.
Takes some of the financial edge multiplayer games have over singleplayer games as well.

Cosmetic skins do not fall under the definition of pay2win.

Wrong. They can't just add lootboxes to my little pony and call it AO. It's clearly targeted at kids.

Is this gonna kill hearthstone?

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Yeah they should. Probably aren’t though

Finally revenge for pachinko.

It's a good thing, hopefully we can get the government involved in helping Sony remove sexual content in games too so I can play my PS5 without feeling ashamed.

The government never fucks anything up so giving them more control over something, especially something that is a non-essential industry, is always a good idea.

If they wanted wanted votes Republicans wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot constantly with pro-life autism that only a tiny fundie fraction of the party gives a shit about and likewise Democrats would cool it with giving platforms to insane anti-white shit from the bowels of academia when it alienates their working class white base

>just blindly trust the market lmao.

Yep.

First of all, not all right leaning parties have the exact same ideology.
Second, even neo-liberalism recognizes the need for government intervention when the market fails to regulate itself, which is clearly the case here.
gambling has an inelastic demand, voting with your wallet does almost fucking nothing.

Of course parties have their constituencies to represent and those constituencies interests are at odds sometimes, but the hyper-partisanship you see in the media only happens with a handful of bills per year that are the designated political footballs. Congress passes a lot of legislation each year, much of which is uncontroversial. This is a bill which appears to be uncontroversial in congress, which shouldn't be too surprising because most of Yea Forums is cheering it on regardless of which party they support.

All this means is the major publishers are just going to pay the ESRB under the table to change M from 17 to 18 and to make AO its own distinction for pornographic content.

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Yes what's the problem? Those are two completely unrelated statements you double nigger. One describes the topic of this thread, the other is a response to an explicit dumb claim in the dude's post. That's not what they're doing here but they most definitely have the right to elsewhere.
Are you retarded?

...

Wrong. They CAN and it will be made AO.

It's very good. Slippery slope faggots don't seem to realize the game industry has already been sliding down the slope that has resulted in more micro transactions than actual content. This is just the government kicking them in their dick while they're sliding down to stop them for a bit. They'll still find ways to jew people over like they've been doing.

its probably secretly bad somehow but for now just be happy. the opportunity for massive support for it from video game players reminds the greedy publishers they would all be murdered if we could get away with it.

Also AO means literally nothing as it's just some random company slapping a label on it. Truth is there is no way to verify someone's age online, and if anyone under 18 ever plays a game with these mechanics then the publisher is absolutely ruined. It's effectively an absolute ban.

>gambling isn't so addictive that people lose self-control

Confirmed underage

The law covers lootboxes, and pay to win items. If the skins aren't pay to win, and if they aren't given away in lootboxes, they're fine.

>All this means is the major publishers are just going to pay the ESRB under the table to change M from 17 to 18 and to make AO its own distinction for pornographic content.
I would laugh if this happened. Its the biggest fuck you to gamers.

This shit should have fucking happened 15 years ago.

I don't like it when the world doesn't work my way so I have big daddy government step in and put a gun in other people's backs so that the world can work my way. As long as it isn't my back it's great!

Incorrect.
In this instance, its the goverment cracking down on largely international companies who abuse a variety or legal systems to suit their own gain. Not a core national business

Aslo its gambling that kids can access, there are a varity of court cases where some stupid kid ran up thousands of their parents money.

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>This is only relevant for online-only items
Source? A lot of games with lootbox and gacha wouldn't be affected if that were the case.

It’s not really gonna make much of a difference. Parents will buy their children any game they want. As long as it means they don’t have to spend time with them and raise them. Ratings have never meant shit

A very good thing. Don't let the kikes, and whale baiters tell you otherwise.

>indie devs
>quality

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This whole mess shouldn’t have happened at all, but people were too stupid

Both parties are half pro-small government, half big government.
Democrats want the government involved in the economy but not in social affairs.
Republicans want the government out of the economy but involved in social affairs.
Libertarians want neither.
Sadly, there is no party that wants to regulate both the economy and social issues.

>Aslo its gambling that kids can access
Not without their parents they can't.

Children aren't known for their patience. One can argue it exploits them just as much as gambling elements.

>Truth is there is no way to verify someone's age online,
Yeah there is. Sites ask your age all the time and give a button to click on to leave if you aren't old enough. How are children going to get around that?

>They'll still find ways to jew people over like they've been doing.
This is important to remember. This bill probably won't solve all of our problems forever. The industry will probably find a new way to fuck us over.

Their economic policies are shit because they're so similar to democrats though.

Cool, now they just have to ban "deluxe editions" and pre-order bonuses and we can finally get this goddamn industry on track again

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The AO places publishers under some important restrictions, for example where and when they can do publicity.

Dumbass, all this means is they'll add ultra violence to the games to bump the rating to M, lootboxes will stay

enjoy overwatch and fortnite having graphic gore and deaths now

I agree comfy kitten

here you go bro

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Unironically this desu.

>Truth is there is no way to verify someone's age online, and if anyone under 18 ever plays a game with these mechanics then the publisher is absolutely ruined.
They could try. South Korea made people enter their SSN when signing up for game accounts, so that hackers would be banned from every online games and not just the one they got caught in.

We always had the soccer mom who went to the news station to report how GTA teaches his 7-year old child to murder real people. We'll have to see if now they can demand the publishers for it

This. You guys are retarded if you think EA and Activision are just going to sit by and do nothing.

There are no legal bindings related to AO ratings. The rating itself does not prevent anything nor does it stop people from purchasing it. Some stores may refuse to sell AO games to particular people, but there's no legal ramifications to doing so.

Should I jump on the fortnite wagon before it implodes?

Read the bill, retard.

The establishment wing of the Democrats, yes.

I'm honestly surprised lootboxes and P2W shit has gotten as far as it has without the government stepping in. If for no other reason than certain states going hard on online gambling or anything even remotely close because casinos is where the state makes most of its money.

>Stop jews from jewing
good

>including riders that fuck normal people over

bad

I'm ok with regulating/banning lootboxes, but the people making the "MUH CHILDREN" argument really just invalidate the stance completely. Children can't fucking buy lootboxes without their parent's money. There are far more legitimate reasons to regulate lootboxes and gambling than MUH CHILDREN.

>enjoy overwatch and fortnite having graphic gore and deaths now
Also no annoying kids shittalking. Sounds good to most of the faggots here.

Sadly no, fortnite microtransactions are strictly cosmetic and you buy them outright rather than lootboxs

Corporation boot lickers are not right, the true right make enterprises serve the Nation.

americans jealous of chink money

It will effectively destroy P2W games.

South Korea is a mess and the entering of SSN for online games sets a precedent I’d be worried about if the service provider decides that what I say online should bar me from using their services that I pay for.

I was replying to a post about MGSV, specifically.

>Freedom can go fuck itself
Your desire to be put into slavery is noted

>slap on an 18+ rating in app store
>nothing changes

holy shit warframe is done

I don't understand how opening lootboxes is any different than a kid in the 80s tearing open a packet of baseball cards and becoming the king of the playground when he gets an edition of Babe Ruth.

No matter side of the fence you stand on, the motivator of this response, the government's primary concern about this, is because of the modern-day money this whole thing revolves around.

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The alleged right doesn't want to execute all of the rich people and redistribute ownership of the factories to the workers

The think of the children is there because its an easy way to get the law to actually pass.

When will the government regulate having to pay to use online services. Fuck PS Plus, XBL Gold, and NSO

>Corporations aren't people
As Romney already said corporations are people

Well the wheels of bureaucracy turn slowly but they do turn.

>what is the national socialist party of america

Collecting trading cards is the game though. Collecting trading cards in a game that isn’t about trading cards is the issue

>giving your Social Security Number yo game companies
Oh wow. That sounds like the worst idea ever. Here let me just give PSN my SSN along with my name address and credit card info.

>it's okay for the government to be in every aspect of my life if it BTFOs my imaginary enemies

>All games get AO rating
>Censorship can't hide behind "protect the kids" as an excuse

And where is Romney now?

Like I get your point but heck look at GM and Chrysler, they went full retard and still got bailouts. They took that money and laughed at the government and to us all really, knowing that they couldn't go bankrupt.

The government by "law" can tell these companies what to do, but money talks man, and to which these companies have a fuckload of it.

Why would you think they'd ever do that?

reply to crab posters

be kind to crab posts

>Anything that isn't completely unregulated laissez-faire capitalism is communism

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>land of the free
What a dumb saying

hopefully it'll take garbage like Battlefront II and Assassin's Creed with it
>you can have this shitty weapon
>but this does nothing
>well to get the good weapons you'll need to be playing 24/7 365 that's the only way...unless you'd like to buy a lootbox in which case you can potentially get the best blaster in the game and it only cost you 5 bucks!
>enter new area in AC:Odyssey
>half the map is under a grey film
>WARNING YOU WILL NEED TO PURCHASE THE DLC TO ENTER THIS AREA
>but there's still enemies inside that area and they can still attack you
>but if you touch the film you die immediately

>slap an 18+ rating in app store
>a kid downloads your game, buys a lootbox with mom's CC info
>you get sued into oblivion by the FTC, game gets shutdown
Sounds like a change to me.

Games go on sale a month after launch anyway so I doubt it will hurt the consumer in the long run.

To think that EA fucked over everyone in the videogame industry is fucking glorious.

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>insane anti-white shit from the bowels of academia when it alienates their working class white base

Anti-white shit is hardly from the bowels of academia, not in this day and age.

It is quite literally just forcing companies to stop lying to consumers. If it causes their products to fail, I think that would be pretty indicative of just how much they have been profiting from running their illegal unregulated gambling racket under the radar at the expense of their consumers.

If labeling a game that you should need to be an adult to play because of the content as "adult only" ends up killing it, then it deserved to die in the first place and only managed to exist as a product by being built on a foundation of lies.

It's still gambling

i dont even know where to bloody begin your so wrong there.

1st, as we only have 2 partys, they kinda mush ideologies together, this has had the unintentional effect of making us more stable than the rampant coalition games Europe had, but slows actual progress.

Democrats are generally wanting government in both social and economic issues. For fucks sake the constant identy politics, tranny pushing, pride bullshit is proof enough of that. So socially self-destructive, and economically euro socialist of varying degrees as a whole.

Republicans want little government in social issues, this included cutting or outright removing existing interferance, and are split economically. You have libertarians, and Protectionists. With the rise of the 'global' economy libertarians have slowly begun to switch to protectionism. National production > foreign reliance even if the price is a bit more kinda deal.

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>but to each his own whether or not that's a bad thing.
Haha what. The ability to buy big ships is absolutely pay to win.
Not that Star Citizen will ever come out

Anyone who brings up children in this debate can go fuck themselves. You don't care about children you sniveling piece of shit, so don't give me those fucking crocodile tears. And don't give me that shit about "protecting people from themselves." This isn't about protecting the mentally ill either. This is 100% purely a backlash against big corporations like EA putting lootbox shit in games and microtransaction based mobile gaming gaining ground against traditional game design. It's not about children or the addicted but your own selfish desire. So don't use sleazy politician rhetoric when all they care about is more government control and votes and all you care about is forcing the industry to cater to your preferences. I honestly hate you pieces of shit for using that argument.

It’s like watching a trainwreck 40 years in the making

It's self enforced, but the ESRB is clearly corrupt.
We'll see what happens, I expect even more trash fires.

M is 17+ and 17 year-olds are not allowed to gamble.

Democrats and Republicans want to regulate both the economy and social issues though. They're both neoliberal parties, they just disagree on which social and economic issues the government should be involved in. You also can't just see social and economic issues as separate, a lot of the time issues fall under both, like how Democrats don't think bakeries should be allowed to deny service to gays.

I don't remember Democrats starting a trade war and passing a bunch of tariffs that have caused farmers to lose all of their property, land, and livelihoods.

more like
>it's good because those few retards with no self control will stop influencing developers to make their games garbage so that they could milk money

>people make voluntarily wasting their money
Why do we need the government to stop people from doing what they want?

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>Here let me just give PSN my SSN along with my name address and credit card info.
How badly do you want to those lootboxes? Enough people do and will hand over their info, leaving you at a disadvantage to the whales.

>Actually letting the government control you

I see no downside

The ESRB is not the government. An ESRB rating does not legally prevent anyone from purchasing a game.

Which in turn means we will see the growth of new independent studios, the best of which will produce high quality product.

Your inability to even think of a gaming industry not dominated by shitty companies like EA, Activision and Ubishit is your problem, not mine or anyone else's.

thanks bro
the only useful post ITT

It's referring to gameplay stopping stamina meters not construction timers

That isn't how the law works retard. The parent is liable in that case, not the game. This whole bill is about applying labels on the cover that tell parents "THIS GAME IS GAMBLING."

>pro-life
>tiny fraction

Nigger what the hell are you smoking?

>no more EA, ubi, bethesda games
thank you 'murica

Epic strawman and wojak, Commrade

You guys are so fucking disingenuous. You don't give a shit about children. You're just butthurt about lootboxes and you're willing to cuck yourselves to the government to get rid of them.

They will probably just introduce a subscription model and they will have a perfect excuse for it. I think that's the model they wanted all along but they were afraid of making the customers mad.

Trading cards are physical object you own and can resell. If i wanted a specific MtG deck I could buy all the precise cards I wanted individually from third parties. There's still artificial scarcity, but at least I have options other than pulling the lever until I get what I want.

Ironically this makes them MORE like gambling legally because of the resale value, but it's funtionally less heeby.

Fuck off retard.

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we use the government to stop disruptive people from doing things that society does not want them to do

So assuming this goes through how long should I expect to wait until it becomes law?

You'd have to be retarded to think that suddenly everyone's going to start making "good" games if this passes.

"Oh it's illegal to make bad games, guess I'll make good games instead!" And then everyone on Yea Forums clapped.

Okay. So make trading cards and gacha machines illegal to use by those under 18 too

seethe

Yeah but in the future people will just continue using this shitty argument, because you can justify almost ANYTHING with muh children.

Because people are fucking retards and them making their own decisions is how we got to the place we are now with regards to lootboxes/gacha/freemium bullshit.

Good. It'll insentivize company to make more games to make money.

I think you're forgetting the ESRB is a voluntary arrangement in the USA since a government run vidya rating board has been ruled Unconstitutional.

It's just moving the AO stigma to M. The reason why none of the stores sell +18 games is because of the associated stigma. The M rating was created just to save the violent games of that. If it is moved to +18, publishers such as Take Two are much more likely to be assblasted by being affected in games like GTAV, where their microtransaction model has brought them a lot of money, and RDR2.

I mean it IS responsible for the downsizing of many foolish colleges who pushed it.

>the free market is a real thing!

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Based Nippon wins again

Either there is gonna be some bribery or a weird loophole of "not" loot boxes

hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2019-05/Loot-Box-Bill-Text.pdf

so did any of you actually read the full bill? It seems pretty on-point, I feel like they must have had some help from interns or something who actually play vidya to know a lot of the specific shit they brought up and how it will be treated. Also calls for a psychological evaluation of the positive effects of removing p2w from games 2 years after this has gone into effect, as well as a list of noncompliant companies.

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Oh hey look, one time trading cards to use for gambling

That is pretty much the purpose of a government you anarchist goon.

Because the people spending money on this shit fuck the rest of us over.

>M is 17+
That's true.
>17 year-olds are not allowed to gamble.
That's also true.
Your first statement and the second statement don't have any effect on each other, though.

The whole point is that it's banning it for kids, and kids are the ones buying the most loot boxes because they're dumb and don't know better.

And this personally affects you, how?

Get fucked

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Also, online content isn't rated by ESRB. All lootbox purchases require online access. So what devs will do is put a warning on the label and in the loading screens about the purchases and what they do.

This isn't rocket science.

Addiction.
Loot boxes and PTW methods have been designed in such a way that it literally triggers that gambling sensation.

Aren't some states 21 to gamble? And is it even entirely illegal in some states? Or am I conflating casinos and gambling wrong?

>>everyone
I realize knocking down strawmen is fun and everything, but I didn't say that everyone would start making good games. I specifically mentioned the best of these new studios producing high quality product.

How are lootboxes in games that don't even directly target children any more gambling then lets say, any trading card game? Or a happy meal which gives a chance to a random toy? Or a coin operate machine that gives a random toy? Or any other random chance thing actually does target children?

Are you retarded? Nigger.

The guy who submitted the bill is 39. In other words, he's in the Yea Forums boomer age group.

yes. and?

> kids are the ones buying the most loot boxes because they're dumb and don't know better.
You gotta source for that? The biggest reason why this bill is a load of horseshit is because there's absolutely no evidence that the things its banning are causing problems.

>they will loose any blood and kill/die shit stuff while doing it
Honestly, I´d pay for watching it happen

Obama literally passed a bunch of tariffs.

it's bad because it's the government stepping in and mollycoddling people
even if I agree that these things needed to end, fuck government regulation being the method to do it

Voting with your wallet is bullshit when nigger whales like this can perpetuate the problem with their autism money

Honestly fuck magic the gathering.
Artificial rarity and ridiculous imbalance just to over charge the 'good' cards.

even if this passes mobile game publishers will still be laughing at the swimming pools of money they made with minimal effort

>some states 21 to gamble?
>some
All are. The only places 18 year olds can gamble in the USA are a few Indian reservations.

It encourages the development of shit games.

Seriously, for fuck's sake the mobile market is like some kind of distopian nightmare. People who play mobile games with cooldowns and loot boxes need to be saved from themselves.

>That isn't how the law works retard. The parent is liable in that case
Please, read the proposed law. It says nothing about parents at all.

The grand chessboard?

You’re making the assumption that the general masses are capable of making a well informed and logical decision. Ofcourse they can’t. They’re too stupid.

You can easily not buy lootboxes, no one is forcing them on you

I dont even give PSN or Steam my credit card number. They will never get my ssn.

Will this finally stop the FIFA FUT jew-ing? I know it's mostly yurop at fault for that but I'm hoping this has a knock-on effect that the EU will pass similar legislation

I don't pay for shit I don't want unlike the faggots in this thread who need the government to protect their wallets, so I'm no the one getting fucked.

Wrong version

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>amerimutts brags about a free market
>they are always regulating it with laws
Hahahhahaha

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Well let's just go ahead and make bad games illegal then, if that's the problem. I want FF to be good again but that's clearly never going to happen with all these idiots buying it. Government intervention is the only way.

Yes, it's kids that spend thousands of dollars on lootboxes.

I'm sure you actually believe that

You were never the target audience if you've never bought microtransactions, lootboxes and other shit. The games are designed with the aid of psychologists to specifically take advantage of the 10% of the playerbase that CAN'T control themselves. The games manipulate them with constant sales and percentile chances so that they waste as much of their money as possible. There are two groups of people who fall within this 10%

>Children
>Gambling addicts

It's literally taking advantage of the naive and mentally crippled.

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>giving children smart phones
>Giving children unrestricted access to the internet
>Giving children your credit card number

I sure hope the government fixes my bad parenting

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Yeah, but that's different because he was black. You can't expect a darkie to understand finance.

The economy must serve the people, through law if necessary. It's our duty to enforce a stable society.

Did lootboxes/consumables/p2w even exist 15 years ago? The earliest I think were around the beginning of the smartphone era

Yes, it is. It cannot solve every problem, but the free market does exist.

You already won against neets bro

Just a reminder that pic related are the ones SEETHING ITT

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other people buying them negatively effects me

Well user if public lynching or mob justice wasn’t illegal we’d go and tear down the companies making games a device for gambling. Since we can’t, we have to have the government step in. See?

not that user but if you could point me to a resource to see which ones he made, I'd be really grateful

The term gacha literally comes from Japan retard. This would hit them harder than anyone. You'd be lucky to get your Bing Bing Wahoo and PantyMaster RPG releases within the same decade if this passes.

they aren't disrupting anybody else by buying these things, unless you want to go on about lootboxes being present ruining your fun
You can't protect everybody from themselves with the government just give warnings and social pressures
It only fucks you over if you keep eating the same corporate shit, nobody is forcing you to take part

>100 people avoid buying it
>10 whales make up the difference plus insane profits
>future games and others are pushed to harder grinding with more ways to throw money at it to save time

Yeah well it's not a surprising attitude, all the poor trash serfs hope/demand the government pay for their healthcare too.

There isn't a single good game with buyable lootboxes

I consider all of those gambling but we have artificially decided which forms of gambling are okay.

It is absolutely a good thing. Fuck EA and fuck Activision.

Go back to subscription fee MMOs. Yeah there's still room for abuse there but there is only so much grind they can add to pad up the playtime before people will give up on the game.

I half expect he personally got frustrated with bad lootbox drops and drafted this law just to personally help himself in the specific games he plays.

Ancaps are niggers lol

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are you a consumer? this is good for you

are you a shitty hack dev that can't make a real game to save your life and relies solely on lootboxes to earn money? lmao commit suicide idiot

Ding ding ding. The real problem is that by relying on the government to make decisions for people, society is just going to continue degrading. People are no longer moral actors because they aren't allowed to make the wrong decisions anymore, and as people get worse and worse we'll need more and more regulation to protect people from themselves.

>lost by 3 million votes
>still gets elected president

D E M O C R A C Y

How old are you?
The answer is either under 18 or over 45. Otherwise, mental retardation.

I honest to fuck wish bad games could be made illegal.

games like Mortal Kombat and God of War 1-3 would just be a giant black screen

SEETHING gacha cucks are fuming

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>this completely unrelated genre will stop MARIO from coming out
imagine lacking any brain cells

>games cost more money
>there's less games
>there are new predatory practices invented to replace the old ones
wow this sure is great for me as a consumer

They can't accuse your game of hamburger and rate it AO if you never release it. Star Citizen: This game is not yet rated. Coming soon!

Team Fortress 2 is what brought this shit into the limelight on big platforms.

>upgraded it to webm

Children aren’t capable of making good decisions. Literally their brains are not developed enough to safely say they have adequate reasoning. They get addicted to flashy skins and better guns and beg their parents for money to buy the shit. Unbridled capitalism is a disease and faggots like you who defend it are lower than the owners of the corporations and conglomerates that have enslaved us.

You're a fucking idiot who makes shit up to justify your own opinion. Nowhere is there a metric for the age of the person purchasing lootboxes, nowhere is there proof that the majority of lootboxes are purchased because the consumer "doesn't know any better". You're just another worthless sheep that wants a nanny-state because your parents never taught you how to be responsible.

Fuck off retard. These corporations are literally psychologically forcing people to. You just haven't because you're not retarded cattle like 90% of this worthless planet.

based

Loot boxes influence game design. It's not just about the money in this case.

10% of the player base enjoying it means it should exist, that's pretty healthy

I for one am more then fully aware that this will lead to bad things down the line, but I also see this as inevitable due to the industry not being capable of regulating itself in this regard.

Even if the lolberg doomsayers are right and this kills the industry I'm ok with that because this shit industry is not worth saving in its current state

This is a basic human right in pretty much everywhere in the free world, except USA. Don't be silly and pretend you don't suck.

Imagine being mad that corps might not be able to market gambling to children.

exactly, and other people buying loot boxes is the reason games with loot boxes keep getting made

Based post

Based Blumpf.
The less democratic we are, the better.

Good. That means there will be a massive opening in the Western game industry for entrepreneurs and new developers/publishers, and we have such a surplus of game devs right now that they will have plenty of potential employees to choose from.

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u mad?

And I don't play shitty games either. What the fuck is your point?

weird flex but okay

>be a government
>have to govern people
>hear about something so unbelievably stupid that you ignore it
>a few years pass
>notice that more and more people are paying for this stupid thing
>people selling the stupid thing are gaining more power and more influence and getting more people hooked on their stupid thing
>decide that its time to intervene so that your stupid citizens don't forget to have jobs, save money, and pay taxes

Believe it or not, user, whatever dumb choices you make have an on effect people besides yourself.

>mass replying
Must be CP

the difference is bad parents letting little Johnny Retard tie the parents' creditcard to their console/tablet/whatever so buying microtransactions is a one button process
I'd be curious what the breakdown of how the same amount of money, say 40 dollars, is spent by people
do most people spend it on one big transaction or is it a bunch of 1-5 dollar purchases

no you cow. now run through those gates

>mobile games fags will take a huge hit
>as a side effect youtube fags wont have as much sponsors
Oh god please let this bill padd

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I agree. Then again, game publishers that don’t fall for the predatory lootbox practices are being looked on more favorably now.

>having this saved on your computer

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> They get addicted to flashy skins and better guns and beg their parents for money to buy the shit
You mean like in Fortnite, which wouldn't be affected by this bill at all?

cope

>getting so mad that you are going to lose your waifu gacha shit you post baby bondage scat cp.

It actually is

You're right. The best thing for the consumer to do is to just continue taking it in the ass. It'll get better eventually I promise, big corporate cock man might develop an ounce of sympathy after the fifth or sixth load.

I'd drill for her oil if you know what I mean

TF2s really aren't that bad though because you can buy and sell them on the community market and only the most artificially scarce super ultra rare unusual hat is going to cost more than a few cents

>right to a service
That's called slavery. When push comes to shove and the government has to come up with a service for 100% of its populace it's either not going to (see Canada and the UK with their death panels and 8 month waiting lists) or it has the power to enslave medical personnel's labor to meet demand.

A lot of people don't seem to think publishers will just be able to slap an AO rating on the game and be fine, but look at the bill:

>The term 'minor-oriented video game' means an interactive digital entertainment product for which the target audience is individuals under the age of 18, as may be demonstrated by
>(A) the subject matter of the product;
>(B) the visual content of the product;
>(C) the music or audio content of the product;
>(D) the use of animated characters or activities that appeal to individuals under the age of 18;
>(E) the age of the characters or models in the product;
>(F) the presence in the product of
> (i) celebrities who are under the age of 18; or
> (ii) celebrities who appeal to individuals under the age of 18;
>(G) the language used in the product;
>(H) the content of materials used to advertise the product and the platforms on which such materials appear;
>(I) the content of any advertising materials that appear in the product;
>(J) other reliable empirical evidence relating to
> (i) the composition of the audience of the product; or
> (ii) the audience of the product, as intended by the publisher or distributor of the product; or
>(K) other evidence demonstrating that the product is targeted at individuals under the age of 18.

In particular (J)(i) - if you can prove that lots of children play a game, then it counts as a minor-oriented video game.

Well the lootbox legislation also is covering pay 2 win angles and certain DLC practices like Season Passes and day 1 DLC which is when these sort of things were slowly starting to push out.

Retarded idea to have legislation target games and game practices because there is no real understanding from the politicians about what is or isn't good about this.
I play several games that do loot boxes really well, and in fact I get rewarded considerably for participating in it and even get the option to not participate in exchange for a flat line of upgrades that I would normally get if the 'try your luck' option wasn't available (Paladins is one, Warframe is another).
This is entirely because of EA fucking the dog so hard that politicians step in to yank on their leash. There is no reason for sweeping policy changes to punish one bad actor, we have a federal trade committee that is supposed to regulate bad actors in the industry, but are mysteriously silent over video games because they don't want to get involved.

But that said, EA, Activision, Blizzard, all these companies did this to themselves. The only way it could have become this bad is if they fucked up so hard that they got political attention from old farts who understand nothing about technology or video games. Picture how hard you must fuck up to make that happen.

I think this is a meaningless political gesture but whether it's a good thing or a bad thing rests entirely on if you think the industry needs to be reigned in.

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Just don't buy them?
How do games you don't play existing affect you?

This is only in the US retard.
The majority of money spent on gacha is in Japan itself,not the U.S.

GACHA STILL REIGNS SURPREME

And again you're showing you have no idea how the law works. The entire bill regulates content provided to children. If it's not provided to children, IE has labels on it and warning signs in game, then the company has fulfilled their part of the bargain. If a child buys lootboxes, it's not illegal, and a parent cannot sue the company because they can just blame the parent for letting their kid play the adult content.

It's the same kind of ruling that allows all sorts of degenerate hentai games and anime to be sold in the USA, they all have "these characters are all 18" mentioned in them specifically to avoid lawsuits of people saying their content is obscene. If a game sells gacha or lootbox content, they have to be up front about it and make it the first thing you see when opening the product. That's all this will do, and irresponsible parents and dumb kids will not change anything.

The ONLY game this may affect is Candy Crush, since that game is particularly deceptive towards parents as a business model, but fuck that shit.

I'm sorry but there is no such thing as unrestricted child gambling. Where are the parents in this scenario? Don't give your child cash if you don't want them to spending money on lootboxes. If parents are stupid enough to give their child unrestricted access to their wallets, they deserve to go bankrupt.

The stupid deserve to get preyed on.

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its practically gambling u know the thing that's also heavily regulated why the fuck should lootboxes be any different

I can hear the eternal crying of the ancap and the Hebraic kvetching from here user. It’s glorious

And literally none of those things will change now that the government is dipping it's finger in. All of that will still happen, just not with lootboxes, and also the government is limiting the decisions you're allowed to make. Totally a win-win, right?

>the right can meme they said

>games cost more money
>big corporations making games at orders of magnitude more than they need to actually pay the developers all go out of business
>investors and ceos starve todeath and go straight to hell where they are forced to open loot boxes for eternity
>indy developers get all the attention
>they begin getting more support since people dont have AAA scams to rob them with hype and false promises
>more better games get made
>???
>utopia
where is problem

>That's called slavery
Ah, so you don't know what words mean

You are speaking authoritatively as if Western gamers will stop buying games just because the big publisers stop selling them. All it means is that smaller companies that want to make money will take their place and make better games.

If the end result of this law is that the AAA publishers get exiled to Chinkland then we will be all the better off for it, because it means a new renaissance of western gaming could happen, along with there being plenty of customers for Japanese games that don't have this shit.

You don't gamble for fortnite gear, you pay specifically for what you want

>That means there will be a massive opening in the Western game industry for entrepreneurs and new developers/publishers
>Investors being told to hold out for chinese mobileshit will suddenly start funding rando studios for countries they already gave up on
I knew Yea Forums was retarded but holy shit

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ignore the >don't in the first sentence, I'm a retard

Because, ideally, gambling imaginary things shouldn't have any real-world value.
The problem is that you can directly pin real-world value to them, and that's where the fucktarded game industry fucked up.

good, give me medical care nigger slavie

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this is actually such an interesting issue now that I think about it, since it sets up arguing what defines a game for minors. this is like going back to the time of socrates and debating what's the definition of something or some shit

It's bad because they're going to start regulating art styles. See: Joe Camel. Games with "cartoony" graphics will have to follow laws that games with "realistic" graphics don't.

What fucking child plays candy crush, its momcore.

That's good. It means either no more lootbox bullshit or get fucked.

This. considering how the industry has been bringing in all of the bad changes on themselves the past decade I welcome the government to come in and curb stomp them.

RIP western gacha industry.

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MMOs. MapleStory is the first one that comes to mind.

>don't spend a dime on fgo
>already have top tier 5 stars in just orleans

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>just give up gaming
>all your favorite titles being made for chinks doesn't affect you
Kill yourself nigger.

Ok, but what is exactly is wrong with forcing companies to not be greedy faggots? Not like they’ll do it themselves.

I'm for it but it needs some refinement as it's a little too broad. Right now, the bill would ban any game with an expansion that gives you better gear because it would allow you to plow through the vanilla game by using said gear

>yfw EA's stupidity will bring the end of Fortnite and Overwatch

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>Just don't buy them?
I already dont buy them
>How do games you don't play existing affect you?
they could have been better games

Its zero sum, there are finite resources available to humans at any given time, anything made thats shit has stolen from what could have been good.

a meaningless rating system

The absolute state of statists

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I agree with you but society as a whole is soft and wants to protect stupid people.

this is actually a really bad fucking thing because what constitutes a 'minor-oriented video game' at this point? Would I be able to release Senran Kagura with these guidelines if it were applied to sex?

did you read the bill? it's pretty fucking clear, it doesn't even allow for tiered subscription payments that would give access to more content if you pay more.

Single mothers give it to their babies and the bright colors distract them so they don't need to parent.

I mean if the internationalist cunts close up shot stateside hell yeah there will be a massive excess of talent to make good shit again

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Please be honest for one second, communist. Stop pretending to be retarded and actually think about the entire picture of what you're saying. You're saying every single person has a right to all medical care scientifically possible. If an area lacks a physician, but another area has an abundance of physicians, what does a government do when its held liable to provide a service reliant on highly educated individuals to serve out? Answer without diverting the topic to something completely unrelated.

wouldnt work

>Greedy devs go to the lawless parts of Asia and leave a power vacuum for hopefully competent devs to fill
Again, no problem here. If you’re an investor though I relish in your tears

there are hundreds of non-lootbox games made every year

An economy is an organic consequence of society, not the intentional creation of government.

You absolute bootlicker

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It's amazingly good for consumers, very anti-game company.

For consumers it's essentially banning blind loot boxes and pay to win.

So games with "random chance" loot boxes would have to do away with those random chance boxes and instead tell you exactly what is in the box, kind of like what Fortnite does now. Instead of random chance boxes, they could still sell boxes (as long as they aren't pay to win) as long as you know 100% what is inside.

As for the pay to win aspects, that targets many things; from actual items that give ANY advantage all the way down to "Buy this item to speed up your currency earned".

So for a game like Fallout 76, their cosmetic items would be fine, but their Grognak costumes couldn't be sold on the atomic shop as they grant a bonus. Likewise, they can't sell the items that make repairing easier as they'd be seen as a pay to win item that makes it easier / faster to repair.

The much bigger market being targeted is the mobile market though, which is going to get hit hard if they sell boxes or any items that reduce cooldowns, offer advantages, etc. Take a game like Candy Crush, where you can buy extra lives. That's a big no no under this law.

Good thing you didnt, because all gacha Global servers will be closed when this passes

Why don't they just
1. Force chance transparency
2. Enforce proper age gating?

I do not see why things need to be banned.

Hahahahaha pseudo-intellectual 19 year old business man on the internet knows so much about economics. Whore the biggest consumers on the planet? Americans. Shut the fuck up you low iq idiot. Literally our entire economy is based off of us buying shit. And you think people in China and India really are trying to play kingdom hearts while they spend 8 hours a day working and another 6 starving or picking leprosy sores from their bodies? So smart. So based. So red pilled. I bet you think we owe China money too

The point is no one gives a shit about western gamers when Asian whales spend enough to marginalize the entire Western market.

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Oldschool Runescape was my first thought when I read that part. RIP, buddy.

It infringes on my right to be a retard obviously

That's right, we're a republic.

Republicans hate gambling because Jesus, and Democrats hate it because corporations.

>do loot boxes really well
doesnt exist.

>just give up playing fallout or elder scrolls
>you can still play great indieshit games

Games which are bad steal development resources from games which are good, in proportion to how much more profitable they are.
Lootbox traps are exponentially more profitable than good games.

states are not good or bad
states that do good things for the people are good
states that do bad things for the people are bad

Only so many big name games can be made in a year, the more of them are good the better.
Some of this shit goes into franchises I like a-la sc2, Dota 2, TF2, MGS 5. In the case of former 3, which have small teams working on them, that means less frequent updates, longer turnarounds on bug fixes and muddied out game graphics that make it harder to recognise characters

If i were an investor, I wouldn't spend it on a stagnant market like EU/US. No one sane would.

The United States was not founded as a Democracy and never claimed to be one. What bearing does your meme text have on this?

incorrect, it essentially places one time payment expansion packs like WoW/XIV have in the "exceptions" category. again, read the fucking bill.

Got a link to all these tariffs he passed?

The unenlightened masses cannot make the judgement call?

This might surprise you but fortnite doesn't have lootboxes or pay to win shit.

>gubment bootlicker trying to regulate vidya calling others communist
OMEGALUL
> You're saying every single person has a right to all medical care scientifically possible
No I didn't say that, because I'm not the guy you're arguing with

No it wouldn't. The industry would be forced to adopt it and the major corporations aren't going to say shit. They're in the pocket of the publishers. If the ESRB adopted that change, things would proceed as normal and you're delusional to think otherwise.

The industry will adapt, simple as that.

Private insurance companies are the death panels.

Too vague how is a judge gonna rule on half of this shit?

Skyrim doesn't have anything mentioned in this bill, but it's still garbage. So was Fallout 4. Only Fallout 76 has those things. You think this bill will help in any way? You've already lost.

Kids play games they aren't old enough for anyways. Ratings never used to stop me from buying an M game or watching an R movie. How does giving these games an AO rating actually stop anything?

>gacha cannot be for minors anymore
>gacha gets designed and marketed to adults, with much more scantily drawn women

If you're a waifufag, there's a bright future ahead

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Blades you retarded nigger.

>Would I be able to release Senran Kagura with these guidelines if it were applied to sex?
Do teenage boys not like titty ninjas?

well wouldn't the government just offer to pay more for physicians to work in the place that lacks, at least in the ideal situation? what you're talking about will only happen if nobody is willing to take up a job
oh fuck this will actually happen considering detroit, san fran and chicago

Don't buy shitty insurance then. I don't care what you do or don't do as long as you aren't taking my money to pay for it under penalty of death by cop.

Gacha is literally the least affected by this though. No notable gacha game is marketed towards kids. Most of them are full of tits and curse words. It's more mainstream shit like Candy Crush or other cartoony p2w games that get advertised all day on American TV.

I named two games where it exists.

both are in corporate pockets
this bill must have divine support to be actually going through

Cause retards need to be stopped. Also if gaming companies make money at ease then they will put less effort into games. Kys

And unfortunately Team Fortress 2 is the only game to date that has done it right. Literally everything is completely obtainable within a week of play except for unusual's due to how frequently items drop and the crafting/trading system and automatic websites for this shit. Not only that, There's maybe 4 weapons in the entire game that are actually better than their stock alternatives.

>2. Enforce proper age gating?
Literally impossible without involving real forms of ID, and guess what kids would do to access sites that require ID?

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Then there really is no downside for having garbage companies sell garbage to other countries.

There are already hundreds of gacha games that are full on porn with animated sex scenes.

You should read the main points of the bill:

Based.
I can't wait to go trough the thread and see "anons" unironically defend EA and Valve's right to exploit mentally ill and the children and get them addicted to online gambling.

what will prevent children from playing AO rated games?

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>waahhhhh why do i have to pay taxes wahhhhhh

The tease was the best part for me.

Yeah I'm sure Blades would have been great if they just took out the lootboxes. That's the one thing that was holding it back.

>government regulations
>represented by skele bones
The irony there is lost on ancap mongs like you.

>Only bans p2w lootboxes
>Cosmetic lootboxes still perfectly fine
Wow, it's fucking nothing

Complex societies arose in tandem with governments. You can't have one without the other. Complex economies were historically driven in large part by government organization and today governments still play a large role in their reason for existing.

How does this work for gacha games and MMOs? Most of those games don't bother with the ESRB to begin with. Do they just put an 18+ confirmation on their website?

Certain stores will refuse to stock them. Honestly, when I think about this a bit, this will just hasten the decline of places like gamestop and further increase the growth of digital download games.

It will be the death of most current trends of hypermonetization, but the only games which rely heavily on it are F2P, it wont be as big and Yea Forums wants it to be and devs will simply revert to selling shit directly for a premium, expect the worst of Steam market prices to become a common thing.
Most popular f2p games probably dont rely on boxes for their revenue, but it exists because its very efficient due to baiting whales and weak-willed people, in summary, its just a very cancerous practice that doesnt matters a lot but its still getting shown its way out, and by the government because god knows this fucking industry wouldnt do it by itself, and also despite not being that big of a deal.

That's for actual games though, mobile however, which probably relies on every fucking thing this bill is targeting, is going to get the SHITSTORM of a fucking century and they deserve
every
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>you're not retarded cattle like 90% of this worthless planet
thank you

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this is going to have unintended consequences when we have empirical data to show what we've all known for years: kids are playing games generally considered above their age range
is GTA a 'minor oriented game'? we all know we grew up playing M rated games

This definitely hits gacha hard. The bill targets non-age restricted games, i.e. everything rated M and under, not just games that target minors. Only AO is age restricted and I don't think any gachas are rated AO.

>NOOOOOOO MUH GACHA LOOTBOXES

Eat shit Yea Forums.

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What would I be If i wanted govermental power to break up monopolies, enforce a max size of corporations, keep em actually competitive instead of always owned by the same parent group, but otherwise be hands off?

lmao thats why incels like you will never have influence on the world

>have kid
>really love play videogames
>game has mirco transactions
>parents tell kid no you can not waste money on stupid shit
>kid manages to find parent's credit card anyways and rack up charges because they are a kid
>now family is in huge legal trouble, important bills dont get paid and family is in dire straits

moral of the story is that kids fuck up all the time because they are kids regardless how well their parents raise them. Either kids like that cant be held accountable or if they are, then said service should be banned for the protection of such people.

What part of "bipartisan" did you not see there you dumb nigger that hates america?

It's very good. The government always makes things better when they get involved. Prices will lower. Monopolies like EA will get crushed. Video games will be great again. Trump will make video games great again.

Some orange cracker with a wig who constantly makes spelling errors has an IQ lower than Amazonian Natives.

The thing I hate is this just enables bad parenting instead of slapping soccer moms shit in for not being able to say no to their brat.

I pay taxes for things that benefit me. Roads, schools, power grids, parks, conservation efforts. Drug addicts causing $400,000 worth of medical damage to their bodies every 8 months should not come out of my pocket. Let them die. Let the hospital say not this time and wheelbarrow them onto the sidewalk.

>Too vague
That's the point. Vague language is used to make as many things possible fall under it.

First time in politics?

Honestly, lootbox are a pretty overexaggerated issue. How many games actually have lootboxes, especially after the Battlefront 2 debacle? Even the AAA industry is going back on them, only gachashit really remains. I still hope this goes through, but for the most part this is just politicians trying to look good.

Even though I'm against government regulation on principle, I can't help hoping this passes, just because I find this lootbox/Gacha shit distasteful. Hopefully this doesn't turn into slippery slope bullshit down the line.

There's nothing illegal about children playing AO rated games, unless its pornographic.

>just give up playing fallout or elder scrolls
those are both trash, user

Those exceptions don't count if they provide content that makes completing the base game easier
MMO stuff works out because expansion stuff usually requires being at endgame, but something like fallout's expansions would be a no no

>letting your kids play jew games
>letting your kids play jew games alone
>letting your kids have access to your credit card
No remorse for shit parents or even the grown whales who vomit money into these games

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Even ignoring multitude of arguments about individual rights to engage in whatever transaction they want (as evident by the absolute impossibility of retards in this thread understanding that there are other people in this world who don't necessarily think like them) the government regularly fucks things up and given that the language of the bill specifically has children in mind it sets a really awful precedent for government regulation of video games beyond lootboxes. People seem to think the government can only do no harm and can't fathom unintended consequences, or why there's a suspicion of government intervention in the first place. It's like where simultaneously in a dystopian world where corporations are pure evil but big government has the little guy in mind.

I can see the argument for the government to step in and "fix" industries like healthcare, but video games is a nonessential good. If you don't like what the industry makes, don't buy it. If you don't like that other people buy it, tough shit. You don't get to decide what other people do.

pretty weak b8

>some professor thinks he knows the formula for making successful memes
The ego of that man.

All insurance is degenerate jew shit.

YES, the game industry is greedy and predatory, about time they get straightened up.

Yes you dumb fuck. Because then it wouldn't be designed entirely around jewing everyone. How is this so hard for your unevolved simian brain to comprehend you absolute nigger?

Why the fuck are they doing this? This is total nonsense. Say it's illegal to sell gambling shit to a minor and leave it at that. The government has no business touching anything this subjective.

>kid manages to find parent's credit card anyways
Your fault. Stop being retarded and be a parent.

nothing, but 99.999% of companies will never release an AO game simply because the majority of their intended userbase will have -some- form of difficulty getting their game, their main appeal is "just click this bright flashy button and automatically install our game holy shit it's all right here for you also signup bonuses!", instead it will involved more steps to attempt to verify age which most of the ADD ridden children will see and say "fuck this shit, I'm gonna go watch more minecraft streams".

Cosmetic lootboxes are against the law. Cosmetic microtransactions are fine.

Skyrim wasn't based around jewing people and that was fucking awful

If you thought Blades was going to be good AFTER what happened with Skyrim and FO4, you're the dumbest one in this thread.

>Government is the bones
>Corporations are the flesh
No it seems lost on you user.

>As a scummy investor, surely I have seen the error of my ways and will fund only garbage indie pixel roguelites now
Be trolling, or holy shit lmao

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It doesnt you fuckwit.
all eastern nippon and chinese gacha games will be LEAST affected.
majority of their sales come from their own country,a few rare whales in the U.S do not contribute to the majority

The government mandating how I purchase insurance and what all insurance products must look like is jew shit.

Why is it illegal for my to purchase a policy that simply covers trauma and broken bones? Why is it good for society that all health plans must cover drug rehab, sex reassignment therapy, and mental health psychobabble nonsense?

Jesus Christ, are you really suggesting the government step in and "make elder scrolls good again"? What the flying fuck?

as it should be. maybe they should release a complete fucking game to begin with and they wouldn't have to worry about that, you know?

Nothing needs to prevent them. Nothing can prevent them. That's not the point. The point is to discourage these predatory mechanics, not restructure the fabric of society so it's impossible for children to lie on the internet. Why are you all so fucking stupid?

It's fucking nothing. It's literally a roastie Republican whose child got shit on by p2w and is banning ONLY p2w lootboxes as a result. Cosmetic lootboxes are still legal, which means children will still be gambling in Overwatch

>play single player vidya and ancient dead multiplayers
haha, you games as a service shitters are fucked

2 was good. For both IPs.

No, the language says games targeted towards children specifically. In legalese that means games that clearly appeal to children. Think Joe Camel getting banned. Nothing in the vast majority of gacha games is designed to hook kids.

I see EA's stock plummoting in the future.

What part of "republican's bill" did YOU not see there, dumb nigger that loves Marx?

Laws are supposed to be clear and concise, I'm totally aware that politicians make broad and over-stretching laws constantly. Doesn't mean I'm ok with more.

You do realize if this passes EA is dead, right? Andrew Wilson built the entire fucking business around this, kek.

And now I can stop your dumb ass from it too, because they're not going to get made anymore.

The government has every right to stop companies from exploiting vulnerable customers that can't help themselves. Alcohol and Cigarettes are already regulated by the government, lootboxes aren't any different.

People don't have a choice in practice. There's too many retarded whales that literally cannot control themselves. There's legit something mentally wrong with these people and these companies go out of their way to exploit them. Shit's predatory & goes beyond capitalism, it's fucking shady ass shit that needs to be regulated like Alcohol and Cigarettes are.

This but unironically. Some people literally cannot help themselves and the problem is that companies cater to those people at everyone else's expense. Doesn't matter if the majority of people don't support it, all it takes is a few mentally ill whales to keep the money flowing. The government literally has to step in at that point.

I don't see that happening, they'd end up losing even more money.

Nothing wrong with using the government to stop companies from being fucking Jews.

But it IS about the children, because they're fucking spergs who get their parents to finance this bullshit. Same for the people who literally can't help themselves. Whales and Children keep this cancer funded regardless of how many people are against it. The government has to step in at this point.

Because too many whales and children ruin it for the rest of us. It doesn't matter if the majority hate lootboxes, too many retards keep the shit financed and it ruins the entire industry because the money around it is too good.

t. Seething tranny

As a scummy investor, i would get my money out now while its worth somthing, and go invest in something not under attack by the government.

your gachashit is gonna get fucked lmaooooooooo

this

>"animated characters designed to appeal to children"
sure lol

Why are there so many retards and shills in this thread?

>all bone
>no muscle
>no weight
>no power
Ur and idiot.

The government doesn't exist to force the industry to make games you personally think are good.

But I don't buy lootboxes, this doesn't affect me at all other than gov pushing into the industry

>The government has every right
The government does not have "rights" under the western Enlightenment theories all western nations are based on.

we dont give a fuck about children or people with gambling addiction, we care about ourselves, and this makes all of our lives better. Everyones life will improve

The funny thing is you’re made to think you want things by the companies that sell the shit. Never seen a fucking advertisement before? Then you get addicted. Then you can’t stop. I’ve been playing videogames and eating hot Cheetos since I was 5 years old. Is that more ethical and free than the government telling me I can’t let children do heroin or gamble their parents’ money away?

fuck yeah i cant wait for this bill to get passed. those fucking "ENERGY" will finally be gone. FUCK GAMELOFT and chingchong devs for pioneering that stupid system

This guy thinks Babe Ruth played in the 80s, and calls cards "editions"

>Literally impossible without involving real forms of ID
Just force people to login using their debit card information or something.
Then if parents give their kids that critical information then that's on them.

Jap companies have hands in gacha shit but still release regular games in the west. Go ahead and fund my games waifutrash.

or we just let the government do a good thing which salvages the great hobby that is videogames.
there is literally nothing the government can pull off that could possibly make games worse than what big companies do with them right now outside of downright banning them all, which obviously will not happen.

it will literally come down to a case by case basis dependent upon the judge

Because obama was a nigger who understood nothing.
Filled the alphabet agencies who 'polished' that act with yes men who knew nothing.
And won only due the 'elites' letting him. (it was supposed to be a bush, a clinton, a bush, a clinton. They never expected the nigger or trump)

While I don't disagree with you, I'd say that makes you an idealist, because there's no reason to believe it wouldn't grow, although you could probably call me an idealist as well.

Yes you fucking retard
99.9% of people fucking hate Mircotransactions
The entire billion dollar industry is supported by 0.0125% of people who so much as spend .99 cents on a lootbox

Because the you now has no idea what will become of the you of the future. That's the whole point of insurance, moron. Do you really believe mental illness can't onset in adulthood?

>all p2w and lootbox shit games get AO ratings
>stores don't ban AO games anymore
>porn games galore

I think the plus side to it is none of those soccer moms will come forward and actively admit how a AO game corrupted their dumb spawns. Kinda hard to bitch and moan when you purchased a game that is rated for Adults Only. It would shut up every boomer dyke with a short haircut since they will be literally admitting buying “porn” for their kid

>COSMETIC ALTERATIONS.—Such term shall not include an add-on trans-action to an interactive digital entertainment product whose only effect is to alter a user’s visual representation within the game provided that it does not, from the perspective of a reasonable user, provide the user with a competitive advantage over other users who do not make such trans-action.

Doesn't specify lootboxes in three exception

Good, because lootboxes and the wait-or-pay encourages the developers to create tedious yet addictive game design instead of games that are just fun in their own right. Removing the models from the industry entirely will make them have to think around those methods of profit.
Bad because it is yet another leg in the door on more regulation of video games in general. They're cutting at something a lot of people hate now, but now the things people love are within arms reach.

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I understand this but I don't care. Was just trying to make a comparison.

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Yeah it is. One isn't as bad as the other.

Cuckservatives. Prepare to lose 2020

we dont need investors, they can all just die, we would be better off actually if they did, they only ruin things with their influence. Kickstarter and patreon and other things have proven more than capable of producing games. And some of the very best games were just personal projects until they started taking off and got interest, such as mount and blade.

I don't have any plans on voting Democrat though

that's how it works right now... children can't have their own credit cards and must use their parents'

Are you 12 or something? Do you know there is a rich history of the government trying to restrict and censor games under a supposed care for children?

They would be legally required to have age verification though and if any children get caught buying lootboxes the hammer is going to come down on the publisher for not having adequate verification.

>they'd end up losing even more money.
bro, it's over for Western countries. they peaked.
Asia continues to grow. No investor will pass that shit up. The US game market will start looking like Brazil's in 5 years time.

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>Why are there so many retards
You're on Yea Forums in a thread that tangentially touches on /pol/ shit. Two of the dumbest boards on this website per capita and overall.

>big cowtits slut with boob physics and dialogue lusting for cock is for children

>both images appeal to completely identical demographics because they're cartoons
Typical single digit IQ American who doesn't understand the law.

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>Complex economies were historically driven in large part by government organization

Complex economies were historically driven to collapse in large part by government organization

Ftfy

redbull is gross, drink monster ultra zero instead

>Corporations are the skin everyone from the outside can see
>The government is true culprit behind the skin
Even if you disagree with it, it makes perfect sense. Care to explain how those government interventions listed don't help corporations and monoplies?

Here ya go you illiterate retard.

>Because too many whales and children ruin it for the rest of us. It doesn't matter if the majority hate lootboxes, too many retards keep the shit financed and it ruins the entire industry because the money around it is too good.

No matter how profitable screwing consumers the bubble will burst and frankly it needs to, the video game industry needs a reset. The smaller and indy devs will be less harmed than the giants.

>what are cash cards
retard

the government exists to do what ever the people tell it to do
in this case, the people, via their elected representatives, have told the industry to conform to their wishes or die.

In 20 years congress will be filled with people who grew up playing video games. I wouldn't worry too much about them regulating video games into oblivion because no one wants to fuck with their own bread and butter.

companies are censoring games on their own right now. whatever the government could possibly pull big companies do worse right now.

Car accidents rendering people without transportation and potentially resulting in their job loss from not being able to get to work is also a theoretical possibility, but only liability car insurance is covered. That doesn't buy you a new car, it just pays for damage you cause. Why isn't full coverage car insurance that buys everyone new cars every time there's an accident mandatory? Seems like it'd solve all the problems all the time.

Complex societies arose in tandem with organized religion. You can't have one without the other.

>muh gubmint regulation! Muh free market!
We had it your way for decades and it got us
>day 1 DLC
>on-disc DLC
>always online
>preorder bonuses
>season passes
>microtransactions
>lootboxes
It’s pretty obvious the vidya industry is utterly incapable of regulating itself

fuck yeah i cant wait for this bill to get passed. those fucking "ENERGY" will finally be gone. FUCK GAMELOFT and chingchong devs for pioneering that stupid system

>they aren't disrupting anybody else by buying these things, unless you want to go on about lootboxes being present ruining your fun

How fucking naive do you have to be to think that people spending their money to support an addiction isn't something that requires intervention?

Actually it dose have a name. (Economically anyway, dose not have to be attached to the social policies its founders did)

Also it used to be a law in the US that to expand / start a new business you had to make a court case in a local court in the area of expansion / founding on how it would be good for the area. Basically getting local approvial.
This was mostly a formality, most the time approved.
But fucking rockerfeller, jp morgan, and other cunts threw together some money and got it thrown out.

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in a proper democracy it does.

Suuuure looks like a character that'd appeal to children, pal

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Guess who writes the laws, dumbass? Corporate lobbyists.

>the government exists to do what ever the people tell it to do
That's not actually the case under the US constitution but its not surprising to me that you don't know that.

>I don't know how a republic works!

Thus the theory of civil religion.

If the games industry doesn't figure this out we are going to end up with porn cards like they have in the UK.

Based. I hope this means we can get more quality DLC content.

Ukyo is best girl

The government shouldn't be the ones promoting or enforcing ethics, if kids are doing drugs and and stealing from there parents on mass clearly we have a bigger problem.

I’m mixed
Normally let the market decide but cancer like addiction runs deep and only stopped though legislation

>(A) the subject matter of the product;
What does this even mean? Sure some things are obviously for kids but where does something like Call of Duty fall which has the 12 year old market on lock? Or Fortnite which is more cartoony in nature?

>(B) the visual content of the product;
Again, what does this even mean? There obvious examples but what about literally anything with a cartoony or anime art style which has appeal to children? But plenty of those games are clearly not for kids.

>(C) the music or audio content of the product;
How can music be "minor oriented"? How do you quantify that?

>(D) the use of animated characters or activities that appeal to individuals under the age of 18;
Holy shit.

>(E) the age of the characters or models in the product;
So a game starring a minor is automatically minor oriented?

>(F) the presence in the product of
> (i) celebrities who are under the age of 18; or
> (ii) celebrities who appeal to individuals under the age of 18;
Might as well just say "any celebrity".

>(G) the language used in the product;
Haha, what the fuck? How do you quantify that?

>(H) the content of materials used to advertise the product and the platforms on which such materials appear;
>(I) the content of any advertising materials that appear in the product;
>(J) other reliable empirical evidence relating to
> (i) the composition of the audience of the product; or
> (ii) the audience of the product, as intended by the publisher or distributor of the product; or
>(K) other evidence demonstrating that the product is targeted at individuals under the age of 18.
There is a lot of unnecessary language just to say "any video game ever at all". This is straight ridiculous.

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>the government exists to do what ever the people tell it to do
That's why we have a Constitution so this specifically isn't what the government is.

Only lootboxes are a problem on that list.

M is 17+. Gambling is 18+ which is an automatic AO rating.

The most prosperous countries were ones where governments protected private property and stayed out of the way. Central planning has an absolutely terrible track record.

that's a terrible idea because it gives the government a foothold in the industry in the first place
once they can change one thing, they can change what they like for the "common good"
to think they'll stop at just the thing you don't like is short sighted

>retard who can't differentiate between there and their thinks his opinion on the law matters
America in a nutshell

Yes and I'm sure you don't have any plans on taking trauma to the head in a car accident, or plans on developing schizophrenia is your early to mid twenties as is common. I could go on, but the whole point of insurance is to keep your ass covered in the event of an unplanned emergency.

The constitution, which is controlled by the state legislatures, which is elected by the people.

>we dont need investors, they can all just die
>Kickstarter and patreon and other things have proven more than capable

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>Complex economies were historically driven in large part by government organization
Is this faggot serious?

Cash cards require cash which is gotten from you, try again.

then stop crying, bitch nigger

Insurance that YOU have to pay for by it's very nature is jew shit.
Health care providers and insurance companies are documented to conspire to artificially inflate healthcare costs in a mutually beneficial relationship that fucks over consumers. Any attempt to provide state sponsored insurance is not only misguided, it is fundamentally flawed.

Health care is only so expensive RIGHT NOW because hospitals and clinics are being run as for-profit institutions.
There is no reason that, after getting rid of insurance companies and telling hospitals to fuck off with the overcharging, the government could not provide all of its citizens with free or cheap access to good quality health care. Health care resources and services do not actually cost that much money, and a reasonable tax policy could accommodate universal free health care with less of a financial burden on the majority of Americans than there currently is. The way things are now does not have to be the way things continue to be.

The lives of tards that eat up the corporate vidya swill improve if they just play good games instead.

Tell me more about how society will be wiped off the map by video games

>I need the gubment to be my parents
americans are the biggest retards on the planet and have zero self control.

The proposed law covers 2 things: lootboxes, and pay-to-win. "Cosmetic Alterations" are an exception to the definition of "Pay-to-win" in Section 7, but Section 8 defines "lootboxes," and "cosmetic alterations" are not listed as an exception for the rules covering lootboxes.

>Again, what does this even mean? There obvious examples but what about literally anything with a cartoony or anime art style which has appeal to children? But plenty of those games are clearly not for kids.
Panty and Stocking is a children's anime, you didn't know?

business genius

Everyone in America is a bad parent. Unless they are at home a lot. They’re busy out working to live that American life style of buying nice shit. That’s the only reason we exist—to fucking buy shit. And die in wars ofcourse

Indeed, they shouldnt need to make up excuses. They should just tell the corporations to stop because its pissing everyone off.
But alas, idealism is everywhere. To get around some ideals already held up, new ones must be made.

Yes it does, that's legit what it's doing right now.

They could just shorten this to say every video game ever made

But I want to purchase trauma insurance. You don't want me to and tell me I need to pay $500 a month extra for the remote possibility I decide I'm John Wilkes Boothe and need to wear a dress. There's something called a point a diminishing returns. It's why people aren't required to wear a motorcycle helmet while driving a car despite the fact that it would be safer. It's diminishing returns based on cost and interference with daily life and freedom to choose.

Don't see the problem.

That's how it works now, when you make transactions.
Make it a requirement to even play the games and we're all good. Properly age gated.
Combine that with an age rating label and it should be enough.

Absolutely hilarious how this toothless bill has exposed Yea Forums as completely full of dipshits illiterate to the law, completely brainwashed by cuckservative and libtard propaganda, without a single original thought in their heads.

>MOMMY MOMMY HE MAD A TYPO HIS POINT IS INVALID
Eurofags in a nutshell

This post is too high IQ for Yea Forums.

Surprise surprise, one of the democrat sponsors of the bill is from Connecticut, a state so broke that we make a quarter of our money from Indian casinos.

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>Health care providers and insurance companies are documented to conspire to artificially inflate healthcare costs
Only possible thanks to lobbying the government to give them shadow regulatory powers.

>Health care is only so expensive RIGHT NOW because hospitals and clinics are being run as for-profit institutions
You really have no idea what you're talking about.

>hurr kids can't use cash its the same as a credit card
Oh I guess we can abolish underage gambling and drinking and smoking laws since kids can't buy those things without their parents. Dumbfuck

All doctors should be slaves. I'm not poking fun at your ideology, I'm unironically taking it a step further.

Half right
FUCK OFF with the government providing bullshit. thats dead on arrivial, see canada or the amount of medical papers / break through america has compared to the world.
But DEFINITELY get rid of insurance.

...

Daily reminder that lootboxes and gachashit would not even exist without government regulation. Without Intellectual Property regulations companies would actually have to compete and put out a good product.

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>buy pill in Australia
>8 bucks
>buy same pill in America
>100 bucks
no, I'm not even exaggerating. I think it was actually more than 100 dollars, the pill I'm thinking of, but I can't recall the actual prices so there you go.

>new ideals must be made
By government? Yeah no thanks.

Play something else retard

Companies like Blizzard will argue that their lootboxes should fall under the cosmetic exception as it doesnt offer any gameplay advantage. And they've got enough money to drag that shit all the way to the USSC for the next 10 years

anything is better than letting kike CEOs kill the medium. I have infinitely more trust in the government than modern corporations.

Battlefront 2 was a year and a half ago. Belgium banning them was a year ago. Y'all had time and just didn't care cause it made too much money for you to care. Now you might be fucked, and I have absolutely no sympathy.

The industry didn't even try. It didn't even make token attempts at making their shit less baldly exploitative. And now they might be ruined. And this is never going away! Even if this bill doesn't pass, this issue is never going away, ever!

You fucked up!

>the use of animated characters
So literally ever video game? You could argue that literally any video game is "animated", just 3D animation.

Go ahead and explain why you think so

>The constitution, which is controlled by the state legislatures
What are you retarded foreigners even talking about

I realized how much this state makes from Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun when I found out it was illegal to play money matches in online games.

Any economic activity other than farming (and farming was most of man's economic activity) was largely controlled by governments and guilds from the rise of urban life until the modern era.

Genuinely retarded.

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>Getting the same rating as porn, Manhunt and other games about raping killing and overall degeneracy
It’s not happening Cheif

>complains about Americans and regulation
Oh yeah, what anarcho paradise are you hailing from, Hans?

You need to retake your civics course, but even besides your misunderstanding of who "controls" the constitution, the entire point of the constitution, or essentially any constitution around the world is to limit the powers of government by delineating its powers. Thus the government cannot do "what ever the people tell it to do" because that would be mob rule that overreaches the power of the government. Now, technically yes, the government can do whatever the people want it to do, because at the end of the day its up to the people to reign in the powers of the government and when people willingly relinquish that duty then there's no check on government power, but the constitution as a document is designed against that.

There and their isn't a typo, it's you not understanding the most basic level of English and the most demonstrable sign of extremely low IQ. People like you belong in work camps since you hold no value to society at large.

Its a Pyrrhic victory
Whenever the government is in a deal, everyone else loses.
The point is, the "good side", those who want complete games that dont have content locked behind 800 hour grind or 1000 dollars tax, already lost, so the best they can do is take the greedy publishers with then by getting the government to fuck everyone up

>implying kikes don't run the government
>implying this will actually hurt them

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>get rid of insurance
>get rid of government provision
What am I supposed to do, pay a gorillion bucks every time I sneeze?

>Only possible thanks to lobbying the government to give them shadow regulatory powers.
which is an inevitability
you either socialize something and control it or that thing pays campaign donations and lobbyists and controls you.
Corporations, if they have the money, will always influence government into their favor. This is not a problem with the existence of governments, it is a problem with the existence of corporations.

>this bill
That shit was apparent years ago, m8.

Literally the sole principled ancap/small government user that posts in these threads. Every other one is a shill or shill apologist.

Selling lootboxes which contain cosmetic items do not get any exception from this law.

fuck yeah i cant wait for this bill to get passed. those fucking "ENERGY" will finally be gone. FUCK GAMELOFT and chingchong devs for pioneering that stupid system

Government good!
Money bad!
Self-control, what is that?

>freedom means that I can invite your child to my casino and there's fuck all you can do to stop me

I have an easy fix for this whole situation.

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>institute ban on government involving itself in the healthcare market beyond handling consumer complaints based on fraud or deception
Done. You cannot leave any wiggle room for lobbyists.

see

Give your nose a firm handshake uphill both ways.

Minarchists who support intellectual property can suck my fucking dick. They're just make us all look like bootlickers.

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Lets make it legal to sell crack cocaine since people not practicing self control doesn't affect me.

>WAAAAAH I CAN'T GET RICH BY SELLLING ENDGAME DVDS I MADE WITH A HANDY CAM AT THE BARBER SHOP!

It's not always bad. I don't like garbage mixed in my food and I don't like gambling mixed in my video games. Thanks government.

I want to fuck that symbol of individualism

jokes on you, insurance is literally a middle man designed to make more money than they spend. how do you think they do that?

>jack up retail price
>make me pay some guy monthly to horde all of the money people pay him
>intentionally fucks some of us over now and then to make sure he is always taking more money than he is giving back to the people paying him
>gets the government and the healthcare industry in on it
>laws to protect "intellectual property" mean drug companies fuck you
>laws to protect insurance companies from having competition mean they fuck you
>why does it cost 500 dollars without insurance???
>because we have no competition and we said so, faggot

Health insurance is one of the biggest scams every foisted upon mankind.

Even if that's true, they aren't going to do it by choice, user. The government has to rule over the people in the same way that a parent has to rule over a child: by recognizing that, without force, children aren't likely to do things that will benefit them in the long run.

What a terrible, brainlet, comparison.

And yet there are enough US based game devs that have lootbox systems, this bill will be dragged through the legal system for at least 5 years before it even comes close to passing. And that implying it will be the same bill as it is now

Are you Implying this is a bad thing?

You act like this isn't close to a reality in lefty controlled areas. Denver just decriminalized magic mushrooms.

Uhh, yes. Is there something wrong with that?

That's because they are bootlickers.

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AHMMMM I WANT TO VIOLATE THE NAP ON HER

I'd tread my dick all over her.

3/4th majority of state legislatures could hop on skype right now and pass an amendment to abolish the entire federal government.

it prevents a simple majority by effectively creating a buffer against hasty action, requiring things of great consequence to need a larger majority, in this case a 3/4th state legislature majority.

But congressmen and senators, both state and federal, are representatives of the people who elected them, and thus they have the authority of the people, and their actions are the peoples actions. A representative system does not remove power from the people, it just focuses it into representatives because thats a more efficient and sensible way to handle it.

Doesn't matter if/when it comes out. The mechanism of purchasing pay to win items is still in there which means they are going to have to make changes to how they collect funding.

How many people die from lootboxes?

What a terrible, brainlet, reply.
Weed isn't crack coccaine though
Brainlet.

>600+ replies in just over an hour
wtf happened in this thread, quick rundown?

he's also retarded.

This particular bill, in this very thread, has retards frothing at the mouth spouting their programmed ancap, socialist, cuckservative and libtard propaganda about health insurance, corporate regulation and trade. Not a single person in here has a thought of their own, they all consume shit content by grifters and repeat their propaganda as facts like the good brainwashed drones all Americans are.

All because Washington has their eyes on their precious autistic hobby.

You know what came before insurance companies? Non-profit societies people used to belong to in order to share the burden whether based on faith or community or career. Then the government made those illegal because they were "discrimination".

Less retarded than the ancap LARPers in these threads

When literally nothing is localized in English, you'll think so too.

>WAAAAAH I NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO GIVE CORPORATIONS MORE POWER AND PUNISH PEOPLE WHO PROVIDE CHEAP ALTERNATIVES TO MOVIE THEATERS

It's massive fucking news, this law will sink gaming titans like EA overnight, Blizzard will be rocked to its fucking core, etc.

Ah yes, the vaunted gaming industry lobby and its loyal army of voters. The gaming industry doesn't have the money of, say, telecom industry, nor the popular support of, say, the firearms industry. If this bill passes it's still going to get dragged through court for a while though.

Well duh, there will be a mandatory 18+ warning on lootbox games even if the ESRB rating says E for Everyone, and that is a real bad look. Parents are going to ask why the E-rated Zootopia game little Jimmy wants to play says that it's for adults only so that's not going to last long.

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In Japan there was a guy who borrowed money from the Yakuza, don't know about any stories like that in the west.

Loot boxes and regulation of them is a very divisive issue

Why is it relevant? Just practice self control and you wont die. Take some personal responsibility.

I fucking hate you, Yea Forums.

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Health care providers and health care researchers are different things you idiot.
You'll keep blaming human greed on the big boogeyman government until the day you die, won't you. Kill yourself, ancap.
Nah you're just being a cunt.
Yeah basically.
Ah yes. You can fucking Google the absolute cost of various health care resources and services rendered by health care providers and compare that to how much those institutions charge consumers in America vs in other first world countries to see just how fucked it is here, but no, the real answer is that UNIONS BAD STANDARDS BAD REGULATIONS BAD I should be allowed to pay my employees pennies on the hour for their labor it's my God given right
Fuck of with your kike shit. You can't hide the fucking numbers anybody can research within 10 minutes of getting their hospital bill.

We hate you too gachashitter.

>kikes kikes kikes jews kikes the only solution is Communism
Transparent as usual.

You can't vote with your wallet when it comes to gambling which is why it's regulated.

Mushrooms aren't dangerous and there is literally no defensible reason for them being illegal. Also, no one who wants to do mushrooms will let them being illegal stop them. Them being illegal (and other drugs) just means you're letting some criminal make money selling it instead of letting a law abiding, tax paying citizen have a job. War on Drugs is a failure and hurts everyone except for the drug lords.

Part of the issue is it being illegal for me to just import meds from Australia for the cheaper prices

Gacha will just get an 18+ verification checkmark in the US now

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Where's the outrage over these?

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This
youtube.com/watch?v=fFoXyFmmGBQ

Not happening cheif AO is 18+
You don’t want porn associated with M rating or guess what they’ll just can M and AO.
Hope you enjoy T+

>it's another commie retard that doesn't know how IP works, and acts like he does
Every time

Prohibition ALWAYS works

I don't believe in banning guns or abortion. You are a retard who thinks everyone who isn't you is your perceived boogeyman, but no, I am literally Mr. Freedom Man.

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That's all it takes sometimes. And yes, they may not be telecom or firearms lobbies, but Activision, EA and others are multibillion dollar companies that have a slew of lawyers who get paid very well to delay tactic shit like this into oblivion. And if they're smart, they'll wait for one company to finish its motions and then come in with another company and file a whole new set of motions, continuing ad infinitum

why would there be when you own those things and can buy the toys individually if you wanted to

This one is actually good.

Which video game is that?

and it gets undone the very next day because who is enforcing the ban but the government itself? the one whos controlled by the corporations?

you cant regulate the government, because the government is the one doing the regulation. What the government does with its regulatory powers is based on how external things can influence it.
External things are all the non-government forces trying to manipulate the government to act in their favor. In an actual democratic system (and representative systems are democratic, democracy does not mean straight democracy only, anything that is representative of the people is rule by the people.) each person is supposed to have equal say, equal weight. But as long as something exists to give some people more say than others the concept of representation vanishes. Enter wealth. For equal representation wealth must be equal, because wealth (which is to say potential for production) is what shapes and moves society and civilization. Wage labor allows the accumulation of wealth which gives some people more resulting influence over government, this instead of serving the people, government serves only specific people.

The lobbyist is itself not a problem, it is the thing paying the lobbyist, and funding the donations and gifts. It is the wealth behind the lobbyist. remove the lobbyist it will find another way even if it cant replace the lobbyist.

Because nobody cares about a quarter and they're all trash anyway. But they should be banned too.

yes, user we get it
you're the smartest man in the room
we can only hope to one day have even a modicum of your insight
now that you've proved your intellectual superiority, can you kindly fuck off and let the rest of us have a conversation?

>You don’t want porn associated with M
>make AO its own distinction for pornographic content
It won't be and it wouldn't. M has been the standard for so long that it wouldn't change anything.