So yesterday Sakurai had another interview where he said some new information, such as season 2 pass won't happen, Goku being rejected Again, Bayo actually winning etc...
But after all this time, why the fuck hasn't he mentioned about assist trophies, and why Isaac came back after 10 years but didn't become playable? This really pisses me off.
I’m trying to determine, and i’m thinking real fucking hard here, why the fuck they didn’t put isaac in. They included another fucking Pokemon, Daisy, and a fucking Plant over him. All of which are from overrepresented series, unsignificant within their series, and fucking boring.
Its an interview (interviewer would have to bring that up first) and there are gaps between the pages listed
Hunter King
>They included another fucking Pokemon, Daisy, and a fucking Plant over him. All of which are from overrepresented series, unsignificant within their series, and fucking boring Pokemon is the 2nd biggest video game series in the world and the biggest multimedia franchise ever, it is guaranteed a newcomer every game for the newest entry and in Melee and Brawls case some Gen 1 pandering, Daisy is a copypaste easy clone character, Piranha Plant is a pre order bonus character that is supposed to appeal to as many people as possible, the only two franchises with that pull are Mario and Pokemon (which is why Mewtwo was the bonus character in Smash 4), Sakurai chose plant specifically because he wanted to make a more unique character instead of a human character with 4 limbs or something. There you go, I defended it.
Levi Hall
Golden Sun is just not relevant.
Jaxon Rogers
Because he already said everything he had to say in another interview.
William Sanders
Do you know how people say DQ sells nothing in the west and is a failure in the US? GS sells about as much as DQ in the west, but worse, because DQ sells millions at home and GS sells peanuts in Japan, its a west focused series with no sales in the west. You are delusional if you think it will ever have anything at all, in fact, I doubt most people who want him even played his game.
Angel Moore
golden sun is done for, even if it was one of the best gba games they aren't going to make more games for it and it has a niche fan base its not quite fitting for smash, even it isaac's moves and djinn spells and summons would be kino BUT ONLY IF JUDGEMENT WASN'T A FINAL SMASH SO I ACTUALLY GET TO USE IT ONLINE, not that I would because he isn't in
Lucas Nelson
Imagine being this obsessed and having Isaac stuck in your head rent free
Answer the fucking question or fuck off
Easton Ortiz
We answered it, Isaac is a big meme from a series that flopped, end of story.
Lucas Morgan
> LE MEME Fuck off zoomer
Nathan Cooper
>I’m trying to determine, and i’m thinking real fucking hard here, why the fuck they didn’t put isaac in. They included another fucking Pokemon, Daisy, and a fucking Plant over him. All of which are from overrepresented series, unsignificant within their series, and fucking boring.
Because these characters are more liked and recognizable than Isaac at least three times over, despite how you feel. Pretty simple to defend.
Owen Mitchell
Nobody likes Daisy besides degenerates and futafags
Leo Harris
GS is zoomercore though.
Alexander Adams
Because Golden Sun is nowhere near as popular as you think it is.
Christopher Reed
>Imagine being this obsessed and having Isaac stuck in your head rent free You have no idea that that sentence means.
Adrian Smith
>such as season 2 pass won't happen, Goku being rejected Again, Bayo actually winning etc... 1. The first one wasn't his choice either
2. He was never considered
3. we know she didn't, the datamine from Smash 4 proved that
His word means nothing, regardless though you shouldn't expect much, i hope you spread the love with the Mii Outfit online at least
Gabriel Myers
This. Golden Sun only did well in the West because it was the first GBA RPG to actually get localized. It did poorly in Japan because there were loads of other ones available at the time. Once more RPGs were available to Western players, Golden Sun tanked hard. See: Dark Dawn.
Owen Sullivan
Why do you guys want Isaac, but not Erdrick?
Isaiah Clark
It's not really about how liked she is. Most people are probably ambivalent about her but anyone who has a decent familiarity with Super Mario, one of the best selling gaming franchises, recognizes her. For the most part, people just want to see characters they recognize.
Gavin Richardson
I have no fucking clue. It doesn't make any sense. I want both!
Smashfags have been spamming Isaacs name for years until they tricked themselves into thinking he was a big name.
Meanwhile, none of them cared about Erdrick until leaks told them to.
Kayden Carter
>His word means nothing because I already decided what all the answers are yeah, no
I love it when Sakurai actually gives us real answers to questions, and you stupid, insipid faggots just go >Yeah, well, he's LYING its ACKSHUALLY 'cause of THIS because that fits my narrative!
Luis Young
this
it's amazing how rosterfags think their characters are so much more important than they actually are
>Once more RPGs were available to Western players, Golden Sun tanked hard. See: Dark Dawn. Dark Dawn came out years later on a completely different platform. The DS had tons of JRPGs.
It didn't sell very well because it was meh.
Alexander Walker
But Erdrick has magic too. They are both Magic casting swordsmen.
Thomas Jackson
Smash isnt other games It has ONE (1) season pass for FIVE (5) characters and NO MORE, all of which are probably picked long before smash ult came out. Faggots.
Angel Jackson
You could say that about Fire Emblem during the release of Melee. The popularity of Roy and Marth was enough to bring the franchise to the West, and made them plenty of money the following years.
Christopher James
Its actually kinda amazing that Sakurai has a reputation of being some big ruseman even though he never does anything of the sort.
Anthony Edwards
>such as season 2 pass won't happen
Fucking dumb shit, he said he isn't fond of the idea of hiding characters behind a season pass-type paywall. Kill your false information right the fuck now you fucking sad sack of filthy horse cock-ridden asshole shit. Fucking cancerous, contagious fuck. Fuck you.
Fuck off rosterfag, you aren't getting more characters
Imagine being this ungrateful and entitled, let Sakurai take a break
Ryder Lewis
It's not an interview. It's his book.
Levi Cox
thou art scum.
Ayden Baker
>Nintendo forced the DLC on him >So that means Nintendo won't force more DLC on him
Jace Murphy
he's a big tease and goes back on his words a lot.
Matthew Price
>we know she didn't, the datamine from Smash 4 proved that >still trying to push this myth
Asher Campbell
Why should Sakurai include a meme from a failed series that was never successful?
Grayson Bailey
Actually, he literally says bayo didn't win. There were characters ranked about her that were realizable, but not negotiable
Evan Johnson
Yeah, but Sakurai's love for FE transcends all logic. And IS cares a lot about their baby. Camelot and Sakurai simply don't care about GS like they do about FE.
>Thinking Nintendo will push a second season pass when Sakurai clearly doesn't want to work on it DLC has diminishing returns. Less people will buy season 2 than season 1. Less people will buy season 1 than the people who bought the base game.
Nintendo actually did the smart thing and advertise a pretty good character a day before the game's release.
Colton Ross
Zoomers like you deserve death, GS sold over 5 million copies
Kayden Richardson
It means that it isn't his choice, not that they will or won't, he has no control over it, that's what i said in my first post. It's very clearly not a myth, it's right there in front of your face and you refuse to believe it.
So far significantly less than Fire Emblem, an actually successful series?
Aaron Nelson
>he has no control over it he can ultimately say no and Nintendo isn't going to replace Sakurai >It's very clearly not a myth there's no evidence for it, it's a conspiracy theory with no evidence pushed by retards upset that their character didn't "win" the ballot Bayonetta was chosen because she did well on the ballot and was negotiable, Sakurai's book pretty much confirms this fact
Jackson Rodriguez
Imagine being this dense and fucking retarded.
>muh rosterfag is entitled >muh Sakurai needs a break All Nintendo's decision, not yours, shitbag. But continue using your faux excuses. Stupid shits like you don't deserve to play this gem of a game. Go ahead and attempt to counter any arguments with your deception. In the end, I win.
It sold far more than FE before 2015, what are you smoking?
Brayden Hill
No you don't, you are a shitty rosterfagging virgin who keeps demanding more shit and doesn't think of the well being of a hard working man and his team. People like you are the scum of the gaming industry and deserve death
John James
He misread the source material. Don't listen to OP, he's a fucking idiot.
Isaac Perry
That's far more than FE on average, actually. GS only has 3 games and it has sold around 5 million copies worldwide. FE, meanwhile, has like 15 games and it only sold 10 million. GS was fairly successful in its time, but the lack of passion from the developers meant they stopped making it before it became truly popular.
Zachary Stewart
What I don't get is how people misinterpret this interview (or was it a book?) as a deconfirmation for some Smash characters. The only ones outright stated as not happening were ones like Goku.
What is Erdrick's magic exactly? Is it any different from Robin's generic thunder, fire, wind, and darkness spells?
Zachary Ward
>Sakurai states he hates the idea of season passes, difficulty of gathering staff for DLC, DLC being risky in general since there will be less people playing the game >N-No a season pass 2 could still happen!
>he can ultimately say no and Nintendo isn't going to replace Sakurai They planned on going without him for brawl if he said no >there's no evidence for it, it's a conspiracy theory with no evidence pushed by retards upset that their character didn't "win" the ballot >Bayonetta was chosen because she did well on the ballot and was negotiable, Sakurai's book pretty much confirms this fact It was in the actual files for duplicate ZSS params along with two Ikes, which turned out to be Cloud and Corrin, this is an actual fact,
He also said Nintendo were the ones who decided there would be DLC without consulting the developers in the first place, so if Nintendo says to make it they will.
Ian Allen
I mean, Is Robins magic any different than Ness's?
Dylan Hughes
>let Sakurai take a break Doesn't Sakurai just sit around and tell people what to do instead of actually working on the game? The last time he probably worked was when he broke his arm
Christopher Russell
Being a big franchise doesn't mean Shitkurai needs to fucking shoehorn in a Pokemon each and EVERY game. People are sick of it. And how in the fuck is PP going to appeal more than characters people actually want, you know from that ballot Nintendo took that meant nothing?
Christopher Kelly
There's no evidence that Bayonetta was even based on ZSS. You have shit like Piranha Plant sharing animations files with Bowser Jr. Little Mac having identical getup animations as Captain Falcon. What do Bayonetta and ZSS share? Paremeters by themselves mean nothing. Joker and Brave started out as being copy and pasted Piranha Plant parameters. Are they based on Piranha Plant too?
Don't put too much meaning into placeholders.
Jaxon Torres
On top of there are a CRAZY amount of characters that are FAR MORE interesting than fucking PP and that aren't a human. FFS there's Spyro, but nothing owned by a western dev will EVER be added into smash because Sakurai is a terrible, incompetent, ignorant, hack.
Justin Lee
>People are sick of it. no they aren't
Andrew Hall
he says he's against it, not that he decides to do it, retard.
Nathan Reed
smash rosterfags: >sakurai is a HACK for putting in too many generic anime swordsmen! also smash rosterfags: >sakurai is a HACK for not putting in my generic anime swordsman!
Read the article. He does not like anything about creating a season pass. It will NOT happen because Sakurai's a hack and the torch will never get passed onto someone that actually listens to the fans, the west, and isn't a lazy fucking shit.
Ryan Cook
Yes, very. Ness does not have wind and darkness spells, for one. Secondly, Robin was not DLC like Erdrick could be, so I don't believe it is reasonable to hold them by the same standard. I'm expecting more of Erdrick if he gets in. Generic magic and sword slashes will not cut it at all, no pun intended.
Blake Barnes
>Spyro >interesting
Jace Jones
Are people really still whining about Piranha Plant? Seriously?
Parker Ortiz
>I'm expecting more of Erdrick if he gets in. so you're not expecting a Smash character?
>DLC has diminishing returns. Less people will buy season 2 than season 1. Less people will buy season 1 than the people who bought the base game.
lmfao this is fucking dumb. If they added characters people wanted then the DLC would sell like crazy. If Sakurai actually added in western owned characters the DLC will sell.
And regardless, what you said is fucking dumb.
Luke Thomas
>People are sick of it. lmao, rosterfags are fucking delusional.
It means she was built FROM ZSS, better to start with something than from scratch, the same goes for the other characters you listed, it's a basic ass game dev thing.
The fact that they are very different is my point. Why automatically assume Kazap is like Elthunder if PK Thunder isn't? My point is that they aren't just going to copy Robin if they put in Erdrick.
Samuel Nelson
>>he can ultimately say no and Nintendo isn't going to replace Sakurai >They planned on going without him for brawl if he said no
O god I hope he's replaced and they continue season passes. I hope they choose someone that doesn't have a ego problem.
As for Bayonetta, Sakurai is a known liar and hypocrite. And if anyone thinks Bayo got high on any ballot are just delusional idiots.
Ethan Rodriguez
Dunno what you mean by that. I just want unique stuff for DLC, things on a similar vein of Bayonetta, Ryu, and Joker, who are all extremely unique both in gameplay and design.
Jack Hernandez
I don't think it's malice as much as it is just ignorance. Sakurai's new column says that he doesn't pay attention to the internet, so it's pretty likely that he doesn't know that most people either don't care at all or don't like seeing their favorite character as an assist trophy. Hell, as far as we know, the entire reason King K. Rool didn't make it until Ultimate was simply because Sakurai didn't know people wanted him. I think Isaac definitely made an impact on the ballot, because otherwise why would he be the only cut assist trophy to come back (besides Gray Fox for obvious reasons), and not Ray, Jill, Helirin, etc., and give him a new Mii costume? He doesn't have anything new coming out that we know of, so otherwise it's pretty random. I think the most important thing to do is keep making your voice heard. People can scream about how you're entitled and ungrateful for critiquing a product you were graciously charged $60 for, but they did the same to Ridleyfags and K. Roolfags and look how that turned out.
>O god I hope he's replaced and they continue season passes. I hope they choose someone that doesn't have a ego problem. If they were to do that it would be someone took over while he worked on the next game.
Brandon Sanchez
>isn't a lazy fucking shit. >the man has literally been hospitalized because of over working >lazy fucking shit
I really wish I could see your hard working lardass in person so I could laugh in your face.
Ryan Flores
This game had only six proper newcomers and Isaac and Golden Sun in general really aren't as big or as important as his fans think they are, so Sakurai just settled on representing it through an assist trophy and Mii Fighter outfit.
Same thing with the other popular meme characters that didn't make it, like Shovel Knight, Krystal, Ashley, etc.
Landon Young
No, he's 100% right. Fewer people will buy DLC than bought the base game.
Jordan Perez
Why would they include a rep from a shit GBA rpg series when they have Lucas from the far better Mother 3?
Colton Rogers
you have a point. if we give up, isaac will never get in. only thing we can do is to keep on hoping and asking.
Lucas wasn't even supposed to be in the game, and GS outsold the entire Mother franchise > I don't like the character so they are a meme! Fuck off virgin rosterfag
Zachary Kelly
People like you are missing the point entirely. He's a hack for adding in constant generic anime blade using clones; There's very little uniqueness between the anime blade users even though there can be.
Having Lucas just made Mother fans entitled, despite the Mother series selling relatively poorly to other titles, only three games, and the last game to come out almost 15 years ago.
>was simply because Sakurai didn't know people wanted him
O please.
I wonder what other forgotten Nes peripheral will be added into the roster, or who the next Marth clone will be, or Pokemon nobody wants.
Wyatt Robinson
>It means she was built FROM ZSS Joker was based on Piranha Plant. You heard it on Yea Forums first.
Lincoln Richardson
Perfect example of why this guy is a terrible director.
seething.
Austin Bailey
Incineroar is proof that no matter what the hardcore rosterfags think, the overall Smash community will like a character.
Robert Evans
>rent free the only people that use this phrase are salty rosterfags that are secretly seething their character isn't playable in their children's party game
Samuel Ramirez
That's a distinct possibility
Henry Gray
Seething zoom zoom
That's not Isaac retard
Ryan Thompson
No, I've seen more hate than approval for this character. It's more of hype for a smash character that dies in a day, not actual liking of the character....Just like PP and Joker.
Luis Phillips
>says the user crying on a chinese fingerpainting site about how his nobody of a rpg lead isn't playable in Smash
Carter Garcia
This one is worse
> Says Saki has no problem fitting in > 10 years later, still not playable and even removed him as an assist, despite fan demand is the reason he was even an AT in the first place.
>I've seen more hate than approval for this character I've seen a ton of positive Smash vids featuring Incineroar and all the comments are generally positive. He's also gotten a ton of art too. Are your opinion from the way Yea Forums talks about him?
Michael Scott
Remember though that clones and echoes take way less effort than unique characters, it's all relative. I don't see why people are OK with 7 Koopalings +B. Jr that play identically, but not 4 FE Lords that play similarly but with small gameplay tweaks to add character.
>There's very little uniqueness between the anime blade users even though there can be. Ignoring the clones, all sword users are pretty unique.
Brody Howard
I think we all agree Banjo is the best option until they tell us on twitter that another irrelevant character is a better option.
Robert Jones
Nah.
Brody Barnes
Absolute retard, go fuck yourself
Fans got fucked over and you are happy about it? Get a life loser
John Reyes
>Get a life loser You first.
Jayden Jackson
>Banjo Ah yes, the bear and bird from a pair of terrible collectathons.
Ryan Flores
hello satan
Ian Garcia
SEETHING
Matthew Watson
literally says in the post you retard that he prioritizes new series and only goes back to old ones when there arent enough to work with. shit like k rool only happened because of the ballot.
Robert Green
Let's see the IPs they can pull shill picks that use swords >Fire Emblem: Three Houses >Dragon Quest >Samurai Shodown >Monster Hunter >Devil May Cry
Joker used Piranha Plant's parameters. That's 100% proof that Joker was absolutely based on Piranha Plant. Just kidding. Copying parameters onto a new slot doesn't mean shit. Animations is what you have to look out for. For example, look at Melee. Link and Young Link have wildly different parameters because Young Link is shorter, faster and lighter. But you can tell Young Link is based on Link because of their animations and moves used. And animations is how we're able to find PP was based on Bowser Jr and Little mac on Captain Falcon.
My point is that you can't use parameters at all if you want to find out which character is based on what. Using that logic means that Joker was based on Piranha Plant.
Ryan Lee
Kill yourselves American zoomers, none of you will ever raise a faimly
>muh relevancy By that logic half of everyone's favorite characters wouldn't be in the game. Smash should be a celebration of all of Nintendo's great characters; not just the most recent ones.
Some of my favorite memories are seeing the trophies in Melee of all the weird, obscure characters that I'd never heard of and reading about them. I'd love to have a bunch of "literally who" inclusions who end up being fun characters. That's basically how we got Ice Climbers, G&W, Pit, R.O.B., Duck Hunt, etc. They could easily do that shit now, but it's not safe enough for the corporate suits.
Julian Moore
There are always people dickriding Soccer guy in every form/thread. It's not even rosterfaggotry at this point. People will defend literally anything the man puts in the game.
He can put a condom in the game and faggots like you will eat this shit up.
Leo Ward
if sakurai acknowledged the fan demand to the point of being in the game at all, clearly 10 is a huge underestimation
Jaxon Price
>He can put a condom in the game ...and it would be better than isaac, geno, banjo, and any of the other flavor-of-the-month trash rosterfags beg for.
As a fan of Wonder "101 copies sold" Red, I know exactly how it feels to be a fan of a lesser known series that probably won't ever be high enough priority to be in Smash.
This also makes it harder for me to feel sympathy when I see threads like this, full of people with a lack of awareness about how big their series really is.
>duck hunt >rob >Pit >G&W >Literally who Omega lul. If you think some lamer from some irrelevant shmup is on the same tier as them, you are LEGIT delusional, my guy
Ryder Ross
>not fond of the idea This guy is a master deflectionist. Wouldn't be surprised if this is a PR stunt, but also wouldn't be surprised if this shithead is deliberately fucking with people again when there's no payout. >argues that smash scene will be smaller after release People hate incomplete rosters. >says that it's scary for people to buy into Yet statistically, people bought it anyways at launch. >argues that bringing back everyone isn't something you should do while systematically complaining that DLC is bad DLC is great in this case, because it solidifies that Ultimate is the definitive Smash game, especially when you consider every character they add is a brand new addition afterwards.
Daniel Stewart
I hated Cloud and Joker but I'm not a rosterfaggot so I'm not crying they took a "slot" of my favorite character
Landon Wright
> Doesn't say Ice Climbers because he knew he would be wrong Fucking retard
Brayden Hill
Cause your game is dead nigger! Fuck that shitty game lol. I bet boomers haven't even heard of it. Stupid nigger hahahahaha
Austin Phillips
I guarantee you the thread was made by a falseflagger. At any rate, don't lose hope, in my opinion Bayonetta's inclusion proved that rules aren't that strict to get in. Think about it, she had mild success in the ballot at best, she was never a huge Nintendo classic, her connection with Nintendo is pretty limited, she only had two games at the time of her inclusion, so on. Let's be real, almost no one knew about R.O.B., Pit, or Ice Climbers prior to their inclusion.
Ian Wright
> Doesn't address my post at all because he knew he would be wrong Right back at you >WTF PPL LIEK THING I DUNT LIEK!?!?!
Leo Bennett
R.O.B. is gaming history 101, the other two I agree
Sebastian Parker
It was modified gradually from the second update before the second ZSS got renamed to Bayonetta. what is it that makes it so hard for you to grasp?
>my entire life revolves around rosterfags so much I must dislike everything they like and vice versa Fucking sad People only like shitters like PP because it "makes grinchies mad" even though anyone with a functioning brain can see that he's a shit character
Luke Garcia
ROB sold the NES to American retailers, and KI and IC were million sellers before smash, which is more than can be said for S&P
Xavier Rivera
>Smash should be a celebration of all of Nintendo's great characters; not just the most recent ones. Why shouldn't Smash favor recent characters then? Each Smash game has always introduced a lot of shit from recent games. And since Smash is the psuedo compilation game, you can see the influence each generation had on each Smash game. And that's not really possible if Smash doesn't favor recent characters.
Bentley Carter
Source or fuck off
The KI and IC thing
Ayden Turner
PP is iconic and well known. The fact that grinchcucks got what they deserved after acting like smug faggots and harassing insiders is just the cherry on top.
Andrew Campbell
Yes, of course, but he's old as hell. Only very old boomers or extremely dedicated geeks would know about him.
Luke Edwards
>my entire identity is devoted to a party game's roster, so everyone else's must be too!
>By that logic half of everyone's favorite characters wouldn't be in the game. Smash should be a celebration of all of Nintendo's great characters; not just the most recent ones.
You know how when you cut down a tree, you basically see its age and history through its trunk?
That's basically what the Smash roster is, in a lot of ways. Most of the characters you call 'irrelevent' WERE relevent when they were added in. For example, F-Zero may be dead now, but back in the N64 era, when Smash 64, it was still an active and reoccuring franchise.
Basically every character that's gotten into Smash since 64 are from series that are or at least were still getting games around the time they were included into their respective Smash games, that's why the likes of Isaac and Saki are fucked now. The only exceptions are the characters that were explicitly chosen as retro or "surprise" characters, like Ice Climbers, Game & Watch and Duck Hunt.
You're ignoring the part where each entry in Golden Sun lost like 1/3 of its previous sales whereas games like FE lost like 1/20 to 1/10 on average when it was doing poorly.
Evan Perry
>caring about some retarded grinch and leakers flamewar cringe >PP is iconic and well known So? He's a generic enemy from a franchise that already has enough representation in the game. You could've choose literally any other character to be in the game.
William Taylor
Unlike your gaping anus? > He's a generic enemy from a franchise that already has enough representation in the game. Who are you to decide that? > You could've choose literally any other character to be in the game. And you still would cry unless you got exactly what you think you're entitled to.
Eli Nelson
It's been seven months. Let it go.
Andrew Barnes
>Ruben on Twitter posted that in the 1.0.6 patch for Smash for Wii U, Ike and Zero Suit Samus’ parameters were copied and added at the end of the character list – shifting the data for the final Smash forms and bosses down. >Eventually, these copied parameters would later serve the basis for the DLC characters, Cloud and Bayonetta. >Marioking64DS and Ehm from TCRF were able to confirm the existence of Bayonetta’s parameters in 1.0.6 and were nearly 1 to 1 to Zero Suit Samus’. The parameters were never modified gradually. A new spot was made with ZSS's name and data. The name only went from ZSS to Bayonetta after the game was updated. And the parameters were changed to be Bayonetta's parameters.
Parameters are useless if you want to find out which character is based on who.
Joshua Stewart
>ugly entlited virgin hides behind a girl pic i can see your fat rolls and smell ur stench from here guess what there wont be anymore passes maybe some stages here or there or something else but yikes your a huge faggot you should actually kys
Camden Wilson
Don't kid yourself, Crono is even more irrelevant than Isaac and doesn't even have the benefit of being owned by Nintendo.
Brody Ross
>Moving the goal post
the whole argument was that Bayonetta was planned before the ballot, your post source proves that.
>Who are you to decide that? A person with common sense. Majority of the roster has Mario characters, I didn't count but I think it's somewhere around 15+ >what you think you're entitled to. I'm not entitled to a decent character at least? Why do you shill a game so much? Do you think the dev will notice you or something?
Brayden Wright
>Moving the goal post We've been arguing if Bayonetta was based on ZSS for the past few posts and relying on parameters is useless. What the fuck are you talking about?
Kevin Ward
Oh, cry more. There's plenty of problems that are way more inexcusable than a flavor-of-the-month assist trophy character.
I feel like with how they've stressed that assist trophies are 'like' fighters in this game they are aware that a lot of people don't like the idea of them much. But acknowledging that isn't the same as addressing the issue those people have, that they want to play as those characters but can't. It honestly might have been better not to make them able to be grabbed, etc, since it just stirs up such resentments again.
Joshua Hughes
stop trying to associate sakibros with this kind of rosterfaggotry
Fuck off Bandanafaggot, your shitty hat goon didn't even get a spirit battle
Evan Martin
If you're referring to the absence of Hat Goomba then you're very delusional. Kirby's representation already has all the main staples, everyone else is either irrelevant or, as you put it, "flavor-of-the-month." Magolor, Taranza, and Susie, for example, only had one major appearance each.
>Majority of the roster has Mario characters, I didn't count but I think it's somewhere around 15+ 1) It's not even close to 15 2) 15 is not the majority of the roster? >I'm not entitled to a decent character at least? There's over 60 decent characters in the game and Isaac and Saki would not be one of them even if they were on the roster. >Why do you shill a game so much? Do you think the dev will notice you or something? Pic related, it's literally you right now
>results from a specific magazine (dead medium) exclusive to japan (small percentage of people that play pokemon) Every time. also, see
Luis Harris
I said it's very much likely that they did use ZSS as a base, the parameters also prove that. but look at the first post i made, someone thinks it's a theory when it's plain old fact that she was planned before the ballot due to that data.
>1) It's not even close to 15 >Mario >Luigi >Peach >Daisy >Bowser >Bowser Jr >Plant >Wario >DK >Diddy >K Rool >Dr. Mario >Roalina and Luma >Yoshi That's 14 Mario characters in the game pretty close to 15 >2) 15 is not the majority of the roster? I was speaking in terms of franchises, Mario has the most characters in his franchise thats in the game. Why couldn't plant be a character from another 1st party instead of one that's already over represented or at least that Mario character that people actually wanted. >There's over 60 decent characters in the game and Isaac and Saki would not be one of them even if they were on the roster. The plant isn't a decent either. And why are you randomly bringing Isaac up? I never once defended Isaac nor do I care about him. Sounds like Isaacfags are living in your head rent free huh?
>I said it's very much likely that they did use ZSS as a base And I'm calling you out because you can't use parameters to find out which character was a base for who. Because >Joker's parameters were used as a basis of Piranha Plant but Joker clearly isn't based on PP >We used animation files to find out that PP was based on Bowser Jr >Sakurai confirmed Little Mac was based on Captain Falcon and even pointed out some of the animations the two shared >Characters like Young Link and Link don't share too many parameters but share a lot animations I need concrete evidence that Bayonetta used ZSS as her base. Like something in the files that prove Bayonetta's animations started out originally being ZSS' animations. Ignore the ballot and your thoughts on it, because we're arguing about parameters and if they can even be used to tell if a character was based on another.
Julian Cruz
Woah when did this happen?
Luke Moore
Starfy was one of the best selling DS games in the North America when it came out.
Nathan Reed
He's still apart of the grander Mario universe
Leo Russell
Last month
I was going to make a thread about it, but I complety forget about it afterwards. The creator is currently working on the second game during spare time.
Evan Lopez
The assist trophy?
Jayden Scott
Fuck off retard, he's not a Mario character
By that logic, Dr. Crygor is a Mario character
Christopher Reyes
Nice! Finally. It's about time somebody came forward and translated these games. Thanks for letting me know.
Joseph Bennett
>>Completely ignoring merch sales You mean where he ranked top 10? >>His only evidence is a rubbing minigame You mean the rubbing minigame with data collected globally from all players instead of an incredibly small subset of people that subscribe to a specific magazine exclusive to japan and drop 30 bucks on a plushy? >DK >Diddy >K.Rool >Wario >Yoshi Bro, you just posted cringe >Mario has the most characters in his franchise thats in the game Of course it does. It's the most popular and iconic Nintendo franchise. Is that a bad thing? >Sounds like Isaacfags are living in your head rent free huh? Gee, almost like we're in a thread literally about Isaac.
Elijah Rogers
Isaac and Felix have great character designs and the world of Golden Sun is overall a lot more interesting than the world of Dragon Quest. They also have a lot more to draw from thanks to Djinn and Psyenergy. I wouldn't have anything against Edrick though. I like Dragon Quest.
The fact those parameters were named ZSS up until Bayo's reveal should be proof enough. but aside from that, they have a similar build, it only makes sense that they would start from ZSS and turn it into something different.
I never said you can find out based on the parameters alone, but the update files are proof they used ZSS as the base.
Robert Watson
>Adeloser Fuck off. Nobody cares about Ashley 2.0.
Ian Gutierrez
Yeah Adeleine and Waddle Dee would be cool but we all know Sakurai is done adding Kirby characters.
Caleb Robinson
>Ashley 2.0. You know that Kirby 64 came out before WarioWare, right?
Jackson Reyes
still more people than those who like isaac
Julian White
>>DK >>Diddy >>K.Rool >>Wario >>Yoshi >Bro, you just posted cringe They're literally all apart of the overarching Mario universe. DK, Yoshi and Wario are just sub-series but they're still Mario characters you fucking retard >Of course it does. It's the most popular and iconic Nintendo franchise. Is that a bad thing? Adding on to a franchise where the game has 10+ characters is kinda a shitty thing to do. funny how you conveniently ignore the part where plant should've been another 1st party rep or a mario character that people have been screaming for (waluigi, but considering waluigi was AT'd at that point it should've been another 1st party rep). >Gee, almost like we're in a thread literally about Isaac. So just because it's an Isaac thread, everyone you must encounter and meet that has differing opinion from you must be also advocate for isaac in the game. Flawless logic you have there
Julian Barnes
If you just look at the classics then Adeleine is about on the same calibur as Meta Knight. Unique and interesting characters that contribute to the overall setting, 2nd-to-last world boss with a lot of unique game focus, upgraded to more major character in next appearance. The problem arises when you look past the classics, after Sakurai and Shimomura left Hal. A lot of Shimomura's ideas were binned for a while because the scraps left at Hal didn't know how to use them, but Meta Knight stuck around mostly thanks to the anime and Air Ride. Maybe Adeleine's main character status will be restored? Possible but I wouldn't hold my breath. Kirby's current directors don't even fully understand how to use King Dedede and Meta Knight, let alone Adeleine.
Jordan Bailey
Disagree that Golden Sun has more lore to work with than Dragon Quest. That series has dozens of games over the years with spanning stories, some linked and some not, and has a lot to draw from. Golden Sun was a great game though and I would love to see Issac/Felix in it. It sucks to see shitposters ruin all talk about it, but eh.
I'm say Golden Sun has more lore than Dragon Quest, that's ridiculous. Dragon Quest has been ongoing since the 80s. I said Golden Sun has a more interesting setting. Dragon Quest is fairly basic fantasy with a slight Japanese comedic flair, while Golden Sun is more rich in its basic premise and style. It's more specific and unique.
Nathan Sanders
>You mean where he ranked top 10? My point is that he literally any other Pokemon above him in popularity should have gotten in. Specifically those who prove to be the most popular and sell the most merch.
>You mean the rubbing minigame with data collected globally You know who else held the title of favorite in refresh? The Owl who Inshiteroarfags will swear up and down is irrelevant.
>The fact those parameters were named ZSS up until Bayo's reveal should be proof enough. It was proof that they used ZSS as a placeholder slot for upcoming DLC. Of course they'd change the placeholder's slot with Bayonetta's name and info. That's the entire point of placeholders, to replace them once the real thing is done. Joker's parameters would have started out being named after Piranha Plant too before the devs started to seriously work on him. That doesn't prove that Piranha Plant is the base for Joker. >but aside from that, they have a similar build, it only makes sense that they would start from ZSS and turn it into something different. They do have a similar build, I agree. But what animations do the two share? Is there anything in the files like with PP/Bowser Jr that supports your argument?
Benjamin Ortiz
Pokemon reps are decided before popularity can even be determined. Sakurai did the right thing and picked the character who had great potential for a fun moveset.
Josiah Richardson
>They're literally all apart of the overarching Mario universe. DK, Yoshi and Wario are just sub-series but they're still Mario characters you fucking retard Just because K. Rool was in a mario baseball game that one time doesn't make him a mario character. Or are you going to say that Link is a mario character, too? >Adding on to a franchise where the game has 10+ characters is kinda a shitty thing to do. Good thing they didn't do that > funny how you conveniently ignore the part where plant should've been another 1st party rep or a mario character that people have been screaming for Why? Because you say so? That doesn't make it fact >So just because it's an Isaac thread, everyone you must encounter and meet that has differing opinion from you must be also advocate for isaac in the game I literally didn't say that. Nice strawman. I never said the owl was irrelevant, but the original claim was that no one liked inceneroar, which was obviously false. Plus, Sakurai chose inceneroar to have a wrestler on the roster.
Jason Robinson
I carry around hope that they will at least start sticking her in the background and throwing you items again, rather than giving her minor collectible appearances. But even the occasional callback won't hurt for a while. That was only a problem 5 years ago, because the nature of the cameos felt like mockery. But this is a Smash thread, not a Kirby one. And the lack of Adeleine here is way more glaring than it has been.
By that logic the Star Fox crew are ROB characters.
John White
Poke refresh is not a reliable means of determine popularity BECAUSE it take from game data. Not only does the info change like the seasons it also going to be inherently bias towards Pokemon that you are literally required to use and would likely end up using the most in the mode. You are literally required to pick a starter and and a starter is far more likely to be a mainstay of anyones team than a Pokemon you catch.
Juan Martin
Why not kill two birds with one stone by adding a new Pokemon and a wrestler? Fills Sakurai's requirement for a new Pokemon each game and also guarantees a fun new archetype for Smash.
Parker Hill
He needed to add a new Pokemon, and since it just so happened one of the starters was a wrestler, he could kill two stones with one bird by adding Incineroar.
Samuel Watson
But he didn't.
Adam Fisher
>Not only does the info change like the seasons it also going to be inherently bias towards Pokemon that you are literally required to use and would likely end up using the most in the mode. Wasn't Gardevoir really popular during refresh for the last gen?
Parker White
>It was proof that they used ZSS as a placeholder slot for upcoming DLC. Of course they'd change the placeholder's slot with Bayonetta's name and info. That's the entire point of placeholders, to replace them once the real thing is done. Joker's parameters would have started out being named after Piranha Plant too before the devs started to seriously work on him. That doesn't prove that Piranha Plant is the base for Joker. >They do have a similar build, I agree. But what animations do the two share? Is there anything in the files like with PP/Bowser Jr that supports your argument? Fair enough, i never looked at their ladder animations, but it would be safe to assume that's how it started considering the place holder chosen and the build, but as far as animations go, not that i'm aware of.
Lucas Wilson
Agreed, it is bizarre that Kirby 64 doesn't havy any spirits despite being such a popular game for its series. Adeleine has always been really popular and now a whole new generation of Kirby fans knows her too. Hal even acknowledged the demand after they brought her back. Spirits are supposedly based on popularity research so where is she? Seems like a weird omission. Same with Sylux, who's gonna be a major character if Prime 4 ever comes out.
Gardivoir is also one of the most popular Pokemon in the series.
also one of the ones with the most porn, so again, being popular in a mode where you rub pokemon isn't a surprise
David Sullivan
sakurai lies a lot. idiots like you OP believe anything he says cause you're a blind faggot.
Oliver Thompson
>Just because K. Rool was in a mario baseball game that one time doesn't make him a mario character. He's regular DK antagonist that's in the DKverse, which is ALSO in the overarching Marioverse. Also why are you focusing just on King K Rool? Didn't you make a claim saying that Wario/Yoshi and DK himself aren't Mario characters either? it's almost like you knew how retarded that sounds and you're backpedaling and focusing on Rool. >Or are you going to say that Link is a mario character, too? It's a different series all together, so no >Good thing they didn't do that They did, they added PP when the franchise already had 10+ chars of representation. Are you mentally handicapped? Can you try making a decent rebuttal with logic and reasoning behind it? >I literally didn't say that. Nice strawman. You implied that im an isaacfag because it's an isaac thread. Christ, you're fucking retarded
Levi Reyes
Just mod out Incineroar with a Star Man model.
Christian Price
>the info change like the seasons It really doesn't > inherently bias towards Pokemon that you are literally required to use There are no pokemon that you are "literally required to use." Have you even played the game? >You are literally required to pick a starter You have three starters to choose from >a starter is far more likely to be a mainstay of anyones team than a Pokemon you catch. Almost like people actually like the starters. If they didn't they could box them at any time after they caught a second pokemon Because it's a POS game that would have been completely forgotten if not for that "LE WINNER IZ U" meme.
Dylan Campbell
Because Isaac is from a series that can't even beat the Nintendogs, who are an assist. What makes you think he should be any higher than them?
Lincoln Green
He's a character.
Christopher Hill
>picked the character who had great potential for a fun moveset. >Pick a character who uses fire, one of the most common elements in Smash >Doesn't even use that, instead sticking with a fully physical moveset >Ends up giving him like 5 moves that are extremely similar to K. Rools What potential did he ever have? Literally the most interesting thing he does is the Alolan Whip.
Carter Morales
Nintendogs outsold series like Xenoblade and Splatoon, yet they have characters
Bentley Wright
>He's regular DK antagonist that's in the DKverse, which is ALSO in the overarching Marioverse. No, faggot. Donkey kong is from the DONKEY KONG games. He doesn't even appear in Mario games outside of spinoffs Also why are you focusing just on King K Rool? Didn't you make a claim saying that Wario/Yoshi and DK himself aren't Mario characters either? it's almost like you knew how retarded that sounds and you're backpedaling and focusing on Rool. It was just an example, you autist. >They did, they added PP when the franchise already had 10+ chars of representation. Are you mentally handicapped? I'm mentally handicapped for not using your inflated numbers as fact? Shoot yourself, nigger. >You implied that im an isaacfag because it's an isaac thread. Again, I literally didn't.
Adam Murphy
>complain he uses fire >then complain that he DOESN'T use fire okay. >>Ends up giving him like 5 moves that are extremely similar to K. Rools Which ones?
Jacob Young
>It really doesn't Decidueye was voted most popular immediately after Incineroar was user.
>There are no pokemon that you are "literally required to use." Have you even played the game? Fine then, you are required to have a starter, and a majority of people are going to use said starter in order to fully evolve it. Whether that be because they like them or because they want a complete Pokedex.
>You have three starters to choose from And a large enough number can choose Litten to ultimately end up influencing Pokemon Refresh
>Almost like people actually like the starters Yeah, that doesn't change the fact that who is a favorite in refresh changes very easily.
>No, faggot. Donkey kong is from the DONKEY KONG games. He doesn't even appear in Mario games outside of spinoffs And Donkey Kong originated in a MARIO game and is a MARIO character you even said yourself he appears in Mario spinoffs you fucking dumbass. >I'm mentally handicapped for not using your inflated numbers as fact? Shoot yourself, nigger. Not counting KKR as a Mario character then you still have 10+ mario characters you fucking idiot. Don't even try to make the argument that Yoshi, DK and Wario aren't Mario characters. Yoshi, made his first appearance in Super MARIO World, Wario appeared in Super MARIO Land and DK is also acknowledged as a Mario character. >Again, I literally didn't. You did
Levi White
>Decidueye was voted most popular immediately after Incineroar was Are we looking at the same site? It still says inceneroar, and has for ages. Even so, one change over the course of two years is not "like the seasons" >Fine then, you are required to have a starter, and a majority of people are going to use said starter in order to fully evolve it. Whether that be because they like them or because they want a complete Pokedex. So, you're saying that people are using because they like it, meaning that it's popular?
>And Donkey Kong originated in a MARIO game Are you for real? There wasn't even a mario SERIES when Donkey Kong first came out. >you even said yourself he appears in Mario spinoffs you fucking dumbass. So have Link, Villager, Samus, and inkling.
Angel Cooper
>Don't even try to make the argument that Yoshi, DK and Wario aren't Mario characters. Yoshi, made his first appearance in Super MARIO World, Wario appeared in Super MARIO Land and DK is also acknowledged as a Mario character. And Roy made his first appearence in Smash bros. Melee. What's you're point? Oh wait, you have none. > DK is also acknowledged as a Mario character. By who? Not by any official source >You did Show me where. You cannot
Christian Gomez
Because Assist Trophy characters weren't going to be playable in the first place. No "slots" were taken from them. Seethe more.
Jack Diaz
>Oh wait, you have none DK, Yoshi and Wario are fucking Mario characters you retard >By who? Not by any official source The fact that they exist in the same universe >I-I didn't imply you were >There's over 60 decent characters in the game and Isaac and Saki would not be one of them even if they were on the roster.
Caleb King
He has better things to do. He didn't acknowledge geno even though his costume is missing, and he doesn't have to. We should wait until E3 before anything.
>DK, Yoshi and Wario are fucking Mario characters you retard Which is why they're all listed seperately? >The fact that they exist in the same universe again So have Link, Villager, Samus, and inkling. >>There's over 60 decent characters in the game and Isaac and Saki would not be one of them even if they were on the roster. Notice how I didn't mention you being an isaacfag once.
The only one of those three characters that's even consistently in Mario is Yoshi, Wario and Donkey Kong showed up once and immediately fucked off into their own MULTIPLE solo series, only showing back up in Mario as cameos every once in a blue moon. You might as well join Link and friends since the dev process for Legend of Zelda has always been intertwined with Super Mario's.
Luis Martinez
They're probably going to add back the Geno costume and Chocobo hat when Erdrick releases, alongside an Alena Mii Brawler costume and Erdricks Armour as a costume. That's my guess.
Juan Garcia
Oh, and a Slime hat obviously. Sorry for forgetting that one.
Jayden Cruz
cant forget the steve mii costume
Chase King
>Which is why they're all listed seperately? Because they represent their spin-offs. They still originated from Mario and are Mario characters.
Anthony Russell
DK did not originate from mario. There wasn't even a Mario series when DK came out. also, see
David Ward
Modern DK debuted in Donkey Kong Country. Arcade DK is a Mario character. Donkey Kong is a Mario game.
Colton Garcia
You better start believing falseflag threads exist, user. You are in one.
Carter Ortiz
>Arcade DK is a Mario character. Donkey Kong is a Mario game.
>3 Links >Pokemon Trainer >Marth and friends >Shulk >Cloud >Joker
They already did the different kind of niches a magic summoning hero guy does.
Luis Hernandez
>someone who's a fan of the same series as yours has a differing opinion on something >"this clearly must mean he's falseflagging!" Yea Forums isn't one person, retard.
Wyatt Wood
You don't get to cry about "MUH RIGHT TO AN OPION" when you've spent the whole thread crying about people liking plant and inceneroar.
Jeremiah Morris
Cloud also can do lots of cool magic stuff in his game, doesn't mean his Smash version isn't just charge and hit with buster sword.
Jaxson Baker
I am tired of zoomers in this board that never actually played any of the Golden Sun games at all talk shit about this franchise and pretend to ignore it as a nintendo IP. If Isaac was worth nothing there wouldn't be even the thought of turning him into an assist trophy to begin with when many other nintendo Ips that even had more games were just barely in the game as spirits. Hell, most people can't even point out why Golden sun is "shit". They just hate it because it's Isaac taking the slot away from their also shitty wishlist of characters.
So not a single mention or discussion regarding his character at all or the series is baffling.
Your bootleg materia game sucks dick. t. have played it
Noah Adams
Just because they made mistakes in the past doesn't mean they should repeat them.
Isaiah Young
Golden sun have a generic as fuck setting, uninteresting gimmicks and gameplay, shit graphics. There are way better jrpgs in both consoles it was in and people only really care about it because it's nintendo. It's literally the only thing that prevents it from being a forgotten game.
Nicholas Robinson
Played Golden Sun, enjoyed it, it was half an interesting game with a completely uninteresting JRPG combat system bolted onto it and the characters and story were basic as could possibly be. That'd be more forgivable if the later titles built that up into something bigger, but instead the quality nosedived and the story dove completely up its own ass. Golden Sun is an interesting blip in the history of Nintendo, but that's all it is.
Owen Russell
>Golden Sun fans are having their own thread right now talking about the games >retarded Discord Smashfag makes this thread to stir shit up Really makes me think
Lincoln King
One is an actual Nintendo character and the other is only one protagonist that represents a sole part of the greater franchise. Slime or bust.
Luis Wood
Didn't Chrono Trigger get voted the best video game in Japan?
Lucas Cox
>Implying he isn't
Nicholas Wood
>I-It's not any of us goldenbros, it's the haters falseflagging I swear!!
Thomas Gray
You will never catch Puppet Master The mods are aware of us, some are even in on it because they hate Yea Forums and want it to be shit Perhaps if you'd stop talking about Golden Sun, we'd stop coming here to attack you
You can say what you want about DQ series and how it is important for japan, i don't deny that, but Edrick is a literally buttfucking who here. It makes no sense that as a series that just came to finally get out from total obscurity with its latest game would get a character from eras ago and put it in smash.
James Hernandez
This is now getting embarassing. Please stop.
Cooper Brown
Link's appearance was as a fictional character. Similarly, the Mario characters in Link's Awakening only exist as dreams.
Jacob Jenkins
>The plan of Smash Ultimate completed December 16th 2015. >Smash Ultimate's DLC wasn't a thing at the time around Famitsu column vol. 546 January 11th 2018
Sad thinking about how we probably won't get Rex because of this timing, given that he'd be such a dynamic and fun character.
Why exactly was this cycle of Smash hype and rosterfagging so terrible? Is it really Discord shit? I know mods verified the existence of them, but it still seems crazy. Would people really be willing to do that?
Caleb Hall
>check the other thread >which came first btw >only one (1) mention of Smash If not to stir 6+mo shit, what else?
>People can scream about how you're entitled and ungrateful for critiquing a product you were graciously charged $60 for, but they did the same to Ridleyfags and K. Roolfags and look how that turned out. I remember when some faggot cried about how DK has two characters that are faithful to the source material and how his obscure D-list series had nothing and that I should count my blessings and be happy for the costume. DK only got his fucking roll last game and it took the Kutthroats to recast their votes on numerous platforms on the ballot to get his villain in this game. And I'm not buying that he doesn't pay attention to the internet line, that entire trailer was a low-key reference to the lack of villains in Smash, the lack of DK characters and the uproar the costume caused. Fucking Dedede was wearing the head of the Mii costume. He knows full well how people feel about how he went about things, he's known for years. The trailer is still considered to be the best yet and this was coming off Castlevania's.
But otherwise, you're right. Keep being loud and they'll notice. Don't be surprised if Waluigi pops up too. They at least have the data to know what's what. Hell it was K. Rool who spearheaded every other irrelevant character to come out the woodwork and gain support. I really don't believe Sakurai doesn't pay attention to the internet, don't make me bring up that interview with him bitching about people not accepting the clones.
This, even Roy and Marth play very differently I have to assume all the people saying the swordsman all play the same are actually retarded.
Cameron Barnes
I'd rather see him talk about Shovel Knight, Rayman, and Shantae
Owen Cruz
That's right, if you scream and bitch as annoyingly and awful as you possibly can, one day your shitposting will be rewarded. Just make sure to wrap your entire enjoyment of the game around it, and your entire identity out of your enjoyment of the game. Does it not have your character? You have been personally fucking shot in the gut, and you had to pay for it.
Xavier Murphy
It could be but honestly at this point the discord call out is just being used as a strawman as well.
Nathan Allen
If that's what it takes to get obvious picks in the fucking game, so be it. I'm happy for Riddles and Rool but they were long overdue. Sakurai trying to be unique and ignore most fan requests hurt the roster in the long run and Nintendo giving Smash a stronger push to advertise certain series also harmed it along with giving Sakurai a little too much power and freedom. Even Iwata knew the fans were pissed off, hence the Smash Ballot. You don't have to like those characters but don't shame the people who still push for them. Sometimes you HAVE to get a little loud to get your point across, or you submit and concede to settling for the bare minimum.
>season 2 pass won't happen It's not that clear cut though. in general he makes sense, for example if sm4sh had more DLC it would have interferred with the development of ultimate which started as the DLC was finishing. will that be the case for the next smash game though? personally I wouldn't count on it. the switch is going to last longer than the Wii U did after sm4sh launched so I don't think it's a fair comparison. >other characters they couldn't get the rights for who on earth was he talking about? Goku? Geno? Simon? I genuinely have no idea if it's not one of these
regarding Isaac, I think it's obvious. only his small fanbase even know he exists and he doesn't bring anything fun enough to appeal to more players than the core fans. one reason for ATs is because more characters get to be included in the game that way so this is suited for Isaac
Dylan Anderson
Just because you made up rules which he ends up breaking doesn't mean he "turns back on his words"
Matthew Brown
Maybe you aren't but I sure as hell am tired of Pokemon and then people have the nerve to think we need half the 700+ roster in Smash because they want their never ever shitter picks to be playable in Smash.
