So, who's patiently waiting for Google Stadia?
You know this is going to be great, right?
All PC/console elitists will rage upon the fact that they have wasted so much bux on their hardware, but let's keep that a secret, and just say we're mad cuz muh "physical copies", "DRM", no "mods".
Stadia is king.
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>I begin to type, "OP is a faggot,"
>5 seconds of typing input lag pass
OP is a faggot
Wow Stadia so powerful
Oh I love that I need WiFi to play single player games and not actually owning my games
So just like right now?
Google is going to abandon this thing just like they've abandoned so many projects before.
Remember Google Plus? Remember Google Glass? Remember Knol?
Fuck, remember when people still had high hopes for a nationwide rollout of Google Fiber?
The internet infrastructure in the United States sucks hairy dicksack, and the current administration is too pussy to break up ISPs and force competition, so the situation won't improve anytime soon.
This, notice how cornbois think they own ther Steam games or updatable games on their consoles
Have fun playing your DRM free, offline, single player "game" as if there's anything in that category that is actually "fun".
Most videogames are offline only though.
Is there a company that has never abandoned projects? What about every other project that you don't consider in your analysis, you know, like Chrome, Gmail, Youtube, Maps, Android.
yeah, chrome, gmail, youtube, maps and android were all practical and feasible projects
what the fuck is google going to do, buy comcast for the sole purpose of upgrading internet infrastructure in the rural U.S. from the cup-and-string dark ages tier shit we've been using up until now?
You can meme about “game ownership” until the end of time but the fact is, this system will never work realistically. Input lag will wreck it.
The only way spotify-videogames could ever function would be to essentially preload the entire game code and all relevant assets so that all input processing and game logic were executed client-side, and then just stream in shit like shader code and assets in HUGE prebuffers. But that wouldn’t obviate the need for good processing, RAM or GPU on the client side to make the game work.
Trying to pipe inputs to the server, process the inputs, and then pipe back video is a fucking joke. It can barely be made to work effectively when your computer is in the next ROOM from your TV using shit like SteamLink; trying to do it over the copper wire internet backbone of the United States is a madman’s dream.
People voted for this the moment they accepted Steam.
Streaming games would not even be taken into consideration if PC gamers said "no" to Steam and boycotted Valve into bankruptcy. Valve popularized and normalized paying for a download license, streaming is the next logical step of digital distribution. The cancer then spread to consoles where they are using Valve's tactics to try to get rid of physical copies on consoles too. The only reason they can get away with releasing physical "copies" that require updates is because of digital distribution. Digital distribution is easily the biggest cancer on gaming.
I honestly hope streaming takes off though and as many developers focus on it as possible to take as many people away from PC gaming as possible so the remaining developers have to put as much effort in their games as possible which would hopefully mean PC getting actual physical releases again with manuals (the manual for Arcanum has over 100 pages), no console wannabe platforms like Steam, no DLC, micro transactions, updates, or patches, MP not requiring centralized servers and allowing p2p or for people to make their own servers, etc,
We went from paying $50 max for a physical copy on PC that was better than today's collector's editions to paying for a fucking download, the step from current digital distribution to streaming is a much, much smaller step than what going from physical only to digital was.
You have no idea about the ISP problem in the US, the companies being big isn't the problem, the problem is local governments give monopolies to ISPs so others can't provide service in those areas. Even Google wasn't able to get a lot of local governments to stop giving monopolies or at least let Google be part of a duopoly
You might not "own" a Steam game in a legalese bullshit sense, but you own it in a practical sense.
It's stored locally, they can't really take it away from you.
I do agree that this modern idea of "release a broken game and then patch it after the fact" is going to ream our anus one day when the servers go down and the next generation of retro gamers has to play games in the state they were in at launch
great for adults investing in gaming stocks
bad for kids who still play games.
You're A1 fucking right about that, but breaking up the ISPs still solves the monopoly problem.
>paying for the successor to the OUYA
No.
I patiently wait for it just to see how it really is. So far, previews haven't been the greatest but there's a lot of time until launch supposedly. I'm not really rooting for it or hoping it fails, just kind of curious. I'd be pleasantly surprised if it's a good experience.
Anyone who is excited for Stadia is a corporate shill or retarded. The Stadia is the most anti-consumer product for video games yet. You do own your game copies and anyone who tells you otherwise is a shill.
>All PC/console elitists will rage upon the fact that they have wasted so much bux on their hardware
How poor do you have to be to regret spending a few grands over your hobbies.
Il keep playing games on my local machine and there is nothing you can do about it faggot.
>patiently waiting
fitting
whats wrong anonkun, you're not excited to pay $100 a month to rent games you'll never own, which will STILL beg you to spend money on microtransactions and DLC and lootboxes?
boom
I wasn't speaking in a legal sense, I was speaking in a practical sense, when you give money to Steam or any other digital distribution you are only paying for the ability to access the data from their "special" server, it doesn't matter if you can keep what you downloaded, if you lose your ability to download then you lose what you paid for. It is a completely different business model and comes with many negatives that has negatively affected the quality of games produced. It is a different business model like renting a car and outright buying a car are two completely different business models even though they involve the same product. If you do not have the brainpower to understand this, which you obviously don't since you are defending paying for a fucking download, then that is your fault. Valve relied on people like you to normalize paying for a download.
Paying for a download should not logically exist anyways because people should not be willing to pay for a download. It should either be buy a physical copy or pirate.
>b-b-but muh convenience!
If you cared about convenience that much then you wouldn't pay for digital distribution. In a fair match up, piracy is always more convenient, the only time piracy isn't more convenient than paying for digital is when the developer intentionally sabotages their game. Piracy would be even more convenient if it were completely legal.
>I do agree that this modern idea of "release a broken game and then patch it after the fact"
Which is only possible because of digital distribution which was popularized by Valve via Steam. Console games used to have to be released playable without a patch. PC games used to be released needing a patch to be playable even before Steam because downloading a patch was possible, even then it wasn't nearly as rampant because having easy patching like what Steam provides only further encourages it.
The industry hates physical copies for lots of reasons
Gonna laugh my ass off when STDia is discontinued and all those "hype" games are no longer available as I continue to play through my physical collection just like I always have.
Lmao holy shit
To be fair, who the fuck has SOLD physical PC games in the past ten years?
Steam became the only serious game in town
Finally I can play AAA shit on my poverty laptop.
No it doesn't because people would still only have access to 1 ISP because the local governments would still give monopolies.
Yah it's gonna be dope. I have 600mbps unlimited internet
There's also the fact that these monopolies were given because that's the only way that hooking up Bumblefuck, West Virginia to "high speed" internet would have been profitable enough to bother doing
complaining about input lag in a cloud gaming service would be like complaining about buffer load in Netflix
If you're getting input lag, your ISP is shit and fucking you over.
>who the fuck has SOLD physical PC games in the past ten years?
That is one of the lines they use to keep it this way. They haven't been sold because the industry wants it to stay digital only. If enough people started demanding physical copies with the entire game on the physical media and doesn't use any console wannabe platform like Steam then PC would get physical copies again.
Valve actively tried to get rid of physical copies.
The Witcher games got proper physical releases with the Enhanced/Complete editions. Some indie games get one. fangamer.com
>You do own your game copies and anyone who tells you otherwise is a shill.
OK bro, go be happy owning a CD that you can't play when your favorite console stops working. That will show us, corporate shills!!! I'll go play on Stadia's 10 000 player map, kthxbai.
Ownership in this day and age has been eroded in most places, especially where the internet has left its mark. You're thinking about video game ownership while your financial institutions don't even have your money ready the moment you request it, unless you're a neet with 1 rupee to your account.
Yes let me just switch to another ISP
Oh wait, there IS NO OTHER ISP, American internet structure is big floppy penis
This is circular logic
If enough people started demanding physical copies, the industry would tell us to fuck off because they know we're not going to just stop playing video games altogether
Ol musky is working on a low latency satellite internet service
Elon Musk is a walking ponzi scheme. None of his businesses really make any fucking money consistently, it's all hype and posturing and retarded baby boomer investors.
A movie doesn't depend on live-input you dolt. Slow buffering in streaming is a bandwidth problem, input lag in cloud gaming is a latency problem.
cost of shelf space and convenience is what drives digital distribution. There wasn't any downside when things started to move that way on the PC side. Stores already didn't allow you to return opened PC games, and you couldn't resell them like you could with console games. Lower prices that what you paid in store also helped.
With streaming though there are a lot of obvious downsides. The biggest reason I can see for it not happening is that it has no target audience. The type of people who are willing to pay a monthly subscription fee to play video games are the types of people who care about things like input lag. Most of them will buy a PS5 or next gen xbox instead of paying a monthly fee to Google. Not only that, but internet in the US sucks, so you're probably not going to get that 60fps@4k that they advertise. They're going to have to rope in casuals who don't care about the bad quality of the experience. I can't see it happening unless they get rid of the monthly fee completely, but that doesn't seem like it would be profitable or a long term viable solution.
>bragging about 9MB
congrats, you can move 8 PNGs every second
This is what I'm worried about.
People don't know shit about how the internet works.
Stadia (or any Cloud Gaming Service) is going to suck
And people are going to blame Stadia instead of their ISPs. People don't realize that ISPs are monopolizing greedy jews that make you pay a fortune for a simple telephone line that doesn't even give you steady internet.
I don't see how "We're already kinda fucked when it comes to consumer rights, why not let ourselves get fucked even harder?" is a smart argument
>Get caught pirating
>ISP drops you
>Can't get a new provider because that was the only one in your county.
game streaming didnt work five years ago and it wont work now
ahahahaha
>bandwidth problem
this is an issue with your ISP
>latency problem
this is still an issue with your ISP
Are you trying to say I'm right that your ISP is to blame?
Or are you trying to say I'm right that your ISP is to blame?
???
Imagine trying to innovate gaming by shilling the worst AC game running like dogshit where streaming from a server 4 feet away has noticeable response delay, then a week later every other console manufacturer announces they will do the same thing but with games people actually want to play.
What fucking game could google announce that would make the normies so fucking desperate to play their lag browser?
Game streaming will unironically kill piracy once and for all
That's wasn't even the point of my post, my point was that your comparison was nonsense.
Also, what's the point of switching to a different ISP when they use the same cables in the ground? The infrastructure doesn't change.
The point is that you can load minutes of content in advance with movies, but you can’t do the same thing with games.
A server can’t predict the actions you take within 50ms
>60fps
what is this, 2002?
Uh-huh.
>the current administration is too pussy to break up ISPs and force competition
>too pussy
Not too pussy
They are too old to understand how the internet works, so they can't enforce any proper laws on ISPs
This
Fucking hell they should straight up tell Comcast to shut down because they’re shit service is quite literally halting American internet infrastructure
You're uneducated on this matter, please stop.
This is my daily job and retards like you make life tiresome.
>That's wasn't even the point of my post,
Now you know how I feel.
You fucking missed the point of my original post.
My point was that ISPs are going to be the main hinder for Cloud Gaming.
Does the difference between bandwidth and latency matter on this point, brainlet?
There's a limit to how low latency can be when you're sending data to fucking space and back twice. It's not going to do dick in the first world
>his daily job is shitposting on Yea Forums
lmao
steam is a hundred times better than boxes from retail ever were so your dinosaur memes can go die in a cave.
and how owning a piece of cheap plastic with holes cut in by lasers with a cheaper paper box wrapped around it is better than the ability to download parts of my huge steam library with patches included at will is something you retarded nostalgic oldfags can never explain anyway
>You fucking missed the point of my original post.
I didn't address your original post, I addressed the one I replied to.
speed of light, tard
Elon Is also working on a honey-comb of tunnels because obviously the most stable foundation for a city to sit atop of is one riddled with holes.
>Streaming
>My point was that ISPs are going to be the main hinder for Cloud Gaming.
>Does the difference between bandwidth and latency matter on this point, brainlet?
I mean, soil that can be washed away by underground water isn't that great either.
Holy shit an actual google fucking shill
Fuck off faglord
>I didn't address your original post
then don't waste my time
This is why Stadia is such shit.
triangles are the strongest shape. a hexagon is made up of multiple triangles.
>We can barely get PCOIP to work
>Op here thinking video games will work over IP
Internet satellites are located 22,300 miles above earth
The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second
The signal has to travel from your computer to the satellite to the data center back to the satellite and finally back to your computer
This will take at minimum ~500 milliseconds
Never underestimate niggers
They figured out how to get bootleg fucking satellite
>Not even hiding anymore
This is how desperate they have to be to shill this already failed meme
Remember when Musk called that diver a pedophile because they'd gone and rescued those kids before Elon could scramble his million dollar high-speed child coffin?
If Comcast's shittyness stops game streaming from taking off I'll actually congratulate them for accidentally being a force of good for once.
Long live shit american isps.
Fortunately based universe has just enough of a limit on the speed of light to make this impractical anyway
HAHAHA fucking retard. how about actually using this hardware and seeing its flaws? bitrate. latency. no FUCKING WAY thanks. it's like going backwards for fucks sake... hahahhaah
>I'll go play on Stadia's 10 000 player map, kthxbai.
Oh wow, you're actually a shill.
We wouldn't need to stop playing because piracy exists. I've been pirating ever since Valve had their way and made PC digital only.
That wasn't even his worst Twitter shitpost. He cost himself and Tesla billions of dollars over a 420 joke.
*online only's you*
nothin personnel
You suck at math
Starlink is in low earth orbit, not geosynchronous orbit. They'll supposedly be only 340 miles up.
where my stadiabros at?
I didn't tell you to start a moot discussion. You did this on your own terms.
Yeah people "would not stop playing" games, however people would do stop PAYING which is a rather big deal to them.
It's not traveling across light waves, retard
Just know that ironically being into something is enough to convince morons that people like it and eventually that thing gets genuine support. How do you think we got into this mess
>people still fall for this
the guy playing the game is an angry retard whos pressing the wrong buttons. you don't press A to climb in AC. You hold the trigger and walk towards the object you are trying to climb.
>move left stick forward to climb on the pillar
>he does it almost a second later
OH NO NO NO NO
shit bait 1/10 made me reply
There's still a monster delay any time he presses the analog stick.
Naw, control scheme was changed in Origins. RT is for attacking now, A is for parkour.
I am interested in seeing what sort of MMOs show up on it.
OH NO NO NO
>when your idea is so shit that the laws of reality stop you from succeeding
>And people are going to blame Stadia instead of their ISPs
It’s both. You can blame your municipal government for traffic congestion or a 60MPH speed limit but that doesn’t mean that even on an empty tarmack, your car will ever travel as fast as a jumbo jet. Even the best internet connection in the world will not be able to even begin to approach the kind of speeds needed for a lag free experience.
>unlimited
do download limits still exist?
No, you climb pressing A (X on playstation)
>cost of shelf space
>Lower prices
The industry obviously doesn't care about cost when it comes to what people pay. Games are far more expensive than ever before. The standard prices we have for games was based on the fact that games used to be sold physical only and all the logistics, effort, and extra money that comes with that, playable without a patch (at least on console), and DLC and mtx were rampant and didn't even exist for most games. On PC it used to be $50 max for an actual physical copy that was better than today's collector's editions, now they want you to pay for a download. Low cost =/= cheap or a good deal. Games are now more expensive than ever, even during Steam "sales", even $1 is too much for a download
Idiot A buys an ounce of silver for $500, Person B buys an ounce of gold at spot price, Idiot A tells Person B that Idiot A got a better deal because he only paid $500. Idiot A is acting like because he paid less he got a better deal but he isn't taking into account what they got and for how much. Did Person B get a good deal on his gold? No, but he didn't over pay like Idiot A did for his silver. You idiots that pay for digital are Idiot A but far worse
>convenience
See >couldn't resell
Depends,I can resell my physical copies for PC because they don't have anything preventing the person who buys it from playing, if it does then that was intentionally added in the physical copy by the developer to make it that way, all that needs to be done is for that DRM to not be added in the first place.Gamestop won't take them, but I can sell them on ebay which is where I bought a lot of them in the first place.
You admitted the industry intentionally sabotaged physical copies to trick people into switching to digital. The console manufacturers are currently using Valve's tactics.
I find it ironic that you call the people who will stream game casuals while you pay for a download and are trying (and failing) to defend it.
The diver insulted Elon first, although calling him a pedo was a bit of a stretch. Sexpat for sure, but pedo is harder to prove.
daily reminder that normalfags are going to eat this shit up
I can't even tolerate V-sync lag, Stadia would infuriate me.
stupid analogy but yeah, there is always going to be
>your device speaking to your router
>your router talking to your ISP
>your ISP talking to the game server
>and all these steps backwards again
if these take 2ms each thats a guaranteed 12ms delay. and that is lowballing like fuck.
anyone who thinks streaming games will work anytime soon on anything but super casual games is a retard with an optimism problem
>that they have wasted so much bux on their hardware
But console gaming is cheaper than game streaming.
For the demo it was 10 ms delay when the servers right next to the PCs
Only good thing to come out of stadia