FFVII is remembered as the best JRPG because it has the best party. Prove me wrong

I want to sniff Yuffie's puffy cunny.

Get rid of Vincent and Cait Sith while giving Nanaki more story importance and it'd be a 10/10 group, desu.

Barrett was completely pointless

The fat robot is literally dragging the entire cast down to bottom tier. Fuck Reeve and fuck shinra.

It was remembered because of how people found Sephiroth and Cloud ti be super cool
So, this
FFXV is remembered as the worst JRPG/FF game because it didn't live up to the promise & hype, and had so many shitty outside sources that were integral to characters/stories.

But personally experiencing it, it was a surreal, disjointed shitfest, taking in the mediocre movie & series of OVAs, I kinda grew to kinda like it, shit was a wild ride & honestly holds up its name as an FF game. Soundtrack slaps too.
youtu.be/O3ftgmiartk

But Ep Ignis is a solid episode overall, has better gameplay and music.

>was instrumental in the creation of Sephiroth due to being a huge cuckold
>knows everyone who's responsible for the shitshow that happened as a result of Sephiroth's birth and the entire crisis now facing the world personally
>never says or does anything valuable despite this
yep, you're right

What's your problem with Cait Sith

LISTEN HERE LADDIE

After 20 years of playing games I still have no idea why people like Final Fantasy.

There is not a single Final Fantasy game with interesting combat. The stories are also pretty basic stuff. And they have "kitchen sink" settings with fantasy and sci-fi elements thrown together because the writers are too lazy to pick a theme.

that she's good at breeding chocobo? Yeah just like based Cid is on a gold chocobo

>his entire contribution to the story is literally being cucked by a the guy responsible for 95% of the shit that happens in VII

Why the fuck would anyone ever sleep with Hojo?

It's a good story but the characters are dead weight.

Cloud is the hero
Tifa is the love interest but doesn't really have a story beyond being part of Cloud's story.
Aeris dies.
Red XIII does nothing
Barret is great for character scenes but has no real impact on the story.
Cid gives you the airship then stops existing
Cait Sith somehow manages to be the most relevant side character in the game and should've been the one to get a spinoff story.
Vincent also does nothing but is part of the backstor and it's fine because he's optional.
Yuffie is also optional but still somehow manages to be more relevant than half the cast.

I can't wait to see what they do with Vincent's story in the Remake. In VII basically everybody involved in that story (Vincent the cuck vampire, Lucretia the slut and mad scientist, Hojo) comes off like a horrible person.

>I'm a stupid cat on a stupid stuffed toy! I'm joining your party against you will! I'll just follow you around until you accept me!
>Oh by the way I'm actually a Shinra employee and I've kidnapped a little girl to use as leverage

>Barry I summon thee

Actually, you're right. They need Cait Sith for the temple. And I guess he's not really that annoying after the initial betrayal.

Someone never ran into Hojo at Costa del Sol surrounded by bitches

Fuck it, I knew it was coming, but I just wanted to get it off my chest and have an honest conversation.

>That design
>That betrayal
>That """""""redemption""""""

He did nothing but waste my fucking time

Is it finally done? I wanted to replay it with all dlc and shit.

Oh yeah, that did happen.

Was his tan really that good?

>>That design
can't help you there
>>That betrayal
I like betrayal in video game stories. Usually traitors have strong, interesting personalities.
>>That """""""redemption""""""
I mean he helped save the world, is that not redemption enough

Fuck your time, the cat stays.

>the chad scientist, the virgin turks

>Get rid of Vincent and Cait Sith
One has a vital role in giving us some insight into the backstory of the game, and the other humanizes shinra a bit and more importantly gives barret a huge moral smackdown that's basically the pay-off for his whole character arc.

The fact that Vincent is a cuck would be less of a big deal if Lucretia ever gave any kind of indication that she was a tragic figure. Seems to me that she voluntarily fucked Hojo and voluntarily injected her baby with Jenova cells. Why does this woman deserve to have you obsessing over her, Vince? She's just Hojo with tits as far as I can tell.

You know someone will mod it to be so if it comes to PC.

How long ago did you play? They added a few cutscenes as free updates and the final DLC came out. The rest of the planned DLC were canned tho, we're left with eps of the three side boys and Ardyn. But replaying it sounds like a chore, I'm already tired of it after a single playthrough & platinum. But yes, it sure is better than it was a few years ago.

His betrayal falls flat when you don't even want that fucker around.
And his big speech about finally being a hero doesn't work when he literally reenters the screen a minute after his big sacrifice.
Like i said it all just felt like a huge waste of time for me.

Vincent provides no backstory whatsoever. He has like four lines of dialogue in the entire game. What backstory we get on him comes from books and lab notes.

I played at released

>his big speech about finally being a hero doesn't work when he literally reenters the screen a minute after his big sacrifice.
That was to numb you to the idea that anything permanent was going to happen to any of the characters, to make it more shocking when Aeris dies

I mean, I liked him.
>And his big speech about finally being a hero doesn't work when he literally reenters the screen a minute after his big sacrifice.
I actually also REALLY liked this because it happens maybe a few hours before Aeris dies. It's the game pretending to pull the rug out from under you right before actually pulling the rug out from under you. Plus the Cait Sith "sacrifice" takes forever while Aeris just suddenly dies.

okay i also have to say that i finished ff7 a month ago for the first time and the drama just doesn't hold up anymore but i am pretty sure even gradeschool me would have hated that fucking cat.

>best party
>Tifa's dumb fucking ass just withholds all the information about Cloud and Zack's history and watches Cloud turn into a cocky jackass without helping him
>Cait "I'll sacrifice myself like a hero" Sith who shows right back up within seconds
>Vincent who doesn't do shit
I like the cast but come on
I'd say Xenoblade Chronicles had a better cast but I fucking hate Riki

Vincent has a lot of dialogue if you carry him around in your party. He just basically has almost nothing interesting to say except for when you bring him on the return to Midgar and when Cloud talks to him in the air ship for the final time. Also I'm pretty sure he has some lines in Lucretia's Cave, I don't remember that as well.

I don't think I could agree with that. It does have some of the best moments, though.
>slap fight on Junon

Unless I'm just a bit too vaccinated to remember, I thought the stuff about lucretia making baby sephiroth and then experimenting on him only came about from vincent's side quest?

>Vincent provides no backstory whatsoever
>pivotal character between sephiroth's mom and dad
>no backstory whatsoever

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For Science. Also, I doubt they fucked. Probably just injected engineered sperm into her.

>FF7
>the best party

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>Tifa's dumb fucking ass just withholds all the information about Cloud and Zack's history and watches Cloud turn into a cocky jackass without helping him
It seemed to me like she was just being a bit guarded and trying to gently prod cloud into revealing what the fuck is wrong with him. If your best friend suddenly came back with a completely different personality along with occasional (sometimes almost murderous) autism attacks it makes sense that you might not want to just say "hey what the fuck is wrong with you my man?"

Tifa hasn't seen Cloud in years and then finds him as an incoherent, vegetative wreck in the slums. After nursing him back to health, it's obvious he's still not all there. Then they get caught up in terrorist shit until Kalm, where he tells a story he couldn't possibly know because as far she recalls he was never there. Then they get caught up in travelling the world hunting down some asshole.

When, exactly, was she meant to pull him aside and say "hey, you're talking complete nonsense and I think you've got serious brain damage"?

>your best friend
Cloud and Tifa were not close growing up

Sephiroth was strong because you had only indications of his true power. He remained a mystery for the better part of the game.

>Cloud and Tifa were not close growing up
Oh right, they just have extended conversations along under a moonlight sky because they're strangers.

looks gay

Didn't you play the game? Cloud was the weird kid in town nobody liked, that shit came out of the blue for her and she was just humouring him because he was leaving town

I'm not going to argue with you, go play the game. It's made abundantly clear that it was odd that Cloud called her out there and they didn't normally hang out

Fair points.

Play the game again, retard. Cloud was a fucking sperglord who spoke to Tifa once before leaving.

I think the contemporary setting and narrative help a lot too.

Oh, son. You've got no idea.

>Shadowhearts
The game where gay porn is currency?

Kind of. You trade Tom of Finland cards you find from the cities and the dungeons to the two gay tailors who make new dresses for Geppetto's "weapon"; a loli doll Cornelia.

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