In addition to ammo boxes, players now drop a small health kit upon dying

Good, FUCK Medic for ruining everything

Medic will never be useless unless he's nerfed hard.

>remove medic
>health kits drop from players
>shitton of engineers with a pyro or two can hold the point forever

eat shit

>The Buff Banner, Batallion's Backup, and Concheror are now only equipable by the Heavy
>Heavy's Sentry gun resistance while spun up has been removed

Why is this a bad idea again? Gives Soldier a slight nerf and gives Heavy a much needed increase in variety with his gameplay. Soldier can rocket jump away, which doesn't mesh with the role of an AoE buff around a team anchor like Heavy.

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Soldiers can either be played as a flanker class or a core team class

Also Valve just really loves Soldier

Just play scout knucklehead

I say boots and shotguns are enough secondaries for Soldier. Heavy already needs heavy support from his teammates to really be effective, so why not give him some weapons that play off that symbiotic relationship.

The compfags would collectively perform a suicide bombing run on Valve's offices if any class gets any meaningful change and affects the 2 scout 2 soldier 1 demo 1 medic meta.

>pop buff banner
>become sniper

Yeah, I main medic. How could you tell?

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Consider this:
>all classes get a variety of items that allow them to fill any role, whether it be offense, support, or defense.
examples:
>heavy gets a large shield to provide cover with
>pyro can pick up health kits/ammo and give them to teammates at will
>solider can place traps such as mines and beartraps, beartraps can also be placed by sniper
>engineer can build a mech to assault bases with
>medic gets a variety of chemical launchers with a range of effects, from debuffs, to DoTs, to instant damage

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Might change the current 6v6 meta so no go.

>all classes get a variety of items that allow them to fill any role
no

you should spawn with a usable health pack in your inventory that you drop if you die without using it

>it's a "Yea Forums makes absolutely retarded suggestions for TF2" thread

Maybe not every class, but Scout, Soldier, Pyro, Demo, and Heavy should be able to fill the role of "general combat" classes. This idea that Pyro and Heavy should only be able to be used defensively, while the other three get to be generalists is incredibly boring and limiting.

Pyro already gets shotgun and Heavy just needs to move forwards
no

shit option.
the best way to increase variety is to just set up a core role of a class and just make weapons that lets you do that role in a different way,
for example an engi's role is mostly defense of a certain are and support with the dispenser/teleporter. you can equip the gunslinger to get yourself a better stand on the front line, letting you use your mini sentry to give a small choke point some defense and be more viable to support your teammates with a dispenser on the front line or building a teleporter behind enemy lines.

>defense of a certain are
i meant area, not are

>tommyslav
>buff banner
Jesus fucking christ.

Give everyone a short 2 second uber upon respawning (a la Mannpower mode) to prevent spawncamping.

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That's the beauty of it It's COMPLETELY retarded and would bring in an endless stream of new ways to play
>enemy team assaulting the base
>solider in the back buffing and healing the team
>heavy providing cover
>spy and engie are the main damage dealers
>pyro sneaking around the back silently taking people out

You're both killjoy retards who are afraid of your "serious esport game" becoming fun

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Yeah, for only ten seconds when you need to do 600 damage to charge it up with no sandvich for your secondary. It would not be OP.

who's gonna pop the ubers you fucking brainlet? think before you make a post. piece of trash.

Two cities is the best tf2 version, fight me.

A significant number of top 6s players are in favor of a more diverse meta, though
youtube.com/watch?v=TrwE_2MI_w8
No restriction 6s had a fairly good reception (at least in TF2 terms)

Could make spies a bit more viable, but would unbalance other classes, could work as a flat buff to all knives to remove status ailments and/or small heal on kill.

It's a great league, and a lot more fun to watch than the same old shit. Real champions win no matter what, the whole entertainment of watching a TF2 match is witnessing how people change their playstyles in order to counter the other team. It's beautiful, actually.

You have to go back.

I wish the pyro could have just been the dedicated debuff class instead of this weird knockback/crit gimmick he's stuck with. Fortress Forever gave the pyro stacking afterburn and i wish valve stole that idea.

>Medkits remove fire
>But healing received from medkits is halved when picking them up while on fire
Here, I fixed the Pyro.

They're still pulling from the same bank of classes except that removing restrictions basically means you run 2 medics (cuz they're op) and then you run a sniper so you actually have enough damage to kill through 2 medics.

I think more restrictions would be a better way of creating diversity, not less. Increasing the team size to 7 and implementing the highlander rule would probably make for a lot more variety and a game that better captures the spirit of casual Tf2 play.

Not a bad idea, I dont think it would really unbalance everything, but then again, spawn camping isn't much of an issue anyway.

Vanilla TF2 simplified the specialist classes way too much and it led to players having this weird idea that Heavy/Pyro/Engy/Spy should be NPC fodder classes.

you can't balance games for shit
you don't need to be a competitive player to notice that

Why dont people play with No Restrictions? I can understand disable random crits and bullet spread but what's so wrong with a Heavy running GRU or Sniper running Jarate?

>Pyro
just use your shotgun lmao

Even scout doesn't really get to be a "generalist" much outside of comp, since sentries can completely block him off from playing offensively most of the time.

He has an unlock that does this already

genius

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Reminder

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All those ideas besides Engie getting a mobile turret are stupid.

I will always love ctf_well because of this strategy a friend and I came up with a few years ago. It's called "The Iron Anus"

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No matter how popular Dustbowl may be, I can't accept it being above C tier in good conscience. There is no excuse for how ungodly fucking linear stage 3 of that map is.
CTF maps in general should be E or lower by default.

tell me

Because compfags are retarded and anything that infringes on the standard composition makes them mad as fuck.

This strategy requires at least two people, but three is optimal.
>You know the hall near the front of your base that has a stairway that leads upstairs, as well as a hole to drop into the water?
>Get two engies, put one Sentry in one of the doorways, and another Sentry in the other
>You have now effectively covered literally every single way for them to grab your intel.
>They can't send a Spy/Bonk Scout to sneak past it and grab the intel because every exit is covered.
>They can't just half-heartedly push past it because you can probably rebuild everything before they're able to leave with the intel.
It's possible to beat, but the team coordination required to do it is hard to find in a pub.
It's called The Iron Anus because the base's asscheeks are closed so tightly it's like an iron grip.

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Would it be a physics object?

>can't fucking charge in
that's why

>our team is retarded please assist us valve

so basically the good old fashioned "sentries in intel" strategy that is a time-honored classic in 2fort

I played console TF2 for years and was always jealous of the updates PC got
when I finally got a PC 2 years and tried out PC TF2, I hated it. Jesus christ they ruined all the balance and fun
new maps were cool, but not worth it

The difference is that Sentries in intel can get fucked by a semi-coordinated push by like 3 people.
The Iron Anus needs basically the entire team to work together.

Even the jawline is closely similar

How about 2006 graphics as an upgrade?

this is why closed-space chokepoints are cancer
it's like barnblitz's last point

Reminder that one autist keeps spamming this shitty idea every thread.

>teams shouldn’t be at a disadvantage if they are missing one of the 9 classes

Apart from the people rightly calling Medic a bad design, there are far too many incredibly uninformed and stupid balance opinions in this thread and I'm only up to , fuck this shit I'm out.

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no matter what nothing can replace an uber

>shitty idea
I need you to explain a bit

uuh competitive is basically 5 classes tops, occasionally 6

>teams should ALWAYS have every single one of the nine classes
>the class system, the whole point of which is to provide players with choice in their playstyle, instead is used to force people to play a certain way or lose
holy fuck you can't cure stupidity this bad, I'm really out this time

so will a team without a pyro and spy do worse than a team without a medic

>get rid of comeback mechanic
yikes

One of those is typically a medic

and a demoman

what does that have to do with the post i quoted?

It's not a shitty idea.

>give the banners that encourage charging in to the enemy base to the slowest person in the team
soldier's mobility is part of why those banners work

Comp doesn’t matter

It wouldn't be bad, but what the heavy really needs is a way to not get constantly oneshot by snipers and spies. The easiest solution would be giving him a razor's back, but passives are not very interesting, so maybe make it a cooldown heavy can pop the moment he jumps around a corner.

>what the heavy really needs is a way to not get constantly oneshot by snipers and spies.

Honestly, that's part of his balance. If you take that away, he becomes OP.

I'm not willing to learn steel and would put it in F. I leave most matches when this map comes up.

I would disagree. Most soldiers prefer not to rocket jump when under the effects of the banner because they dont want to risk death.

I don't agree that heavy should get banners. I don't think there is much of a problem with him right now. He is already strong as fuck in game modes where the banner is useful (Payload, Cap/Def).

Where he sucks is at the competitive level, but banners suck at the competitive level too so it would not give him a leg up.

So my argument is basically it would just make him more op in the match modes he is useful in.

>it's part of his balance to lose 9/10 times against the two most played pub classes

just crouch and look behind you, dude!

spy dies to literally fucking everything and you complain about the heavy being outclassed by him

I just like to play heavy and still think he should have gotten the update instead pyro.
It's also boring to get forced to soldier and scout until the end of time if the mentioned classes camp you on heavy.

> now your health slowly regenerates 20% of the influenced damage.

How to improve the game? Delete Spy from the game completely. Remove all traces of his existence from the files. Lock every non-multi class Spy cosmetic to their current owner's inventories and make sure they can never be seen again. Edit all of Spy's appearances in the comic to Pyro or some random civilian. Disown Meet the Spy, Expiration Date and whatever else video with him in it and deem any other depiction of him non-canon. There, I just improved the game more than Valve could improve it in a thousand years.

Why are there so many shitters complaining about Spy? I haven't gotten backstabbed in 3 days and I play this game every damn day.

Basically nothing changes except you don't have to watch your backs now

>someone says TF2 is shit now
>their reasoning is: hats, f2p, muh downgraded graphics
>all things that can be easily ignored
I can understand if they talk about balancing but honestly game plays very much like it always has.

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TF2 is shit because of the MYM update

You're right
but you're also correct and that's the reason I dropped the game

Pyro fixes:
1. Airblast also soaks the target with gas, meaning they're extra flammable - water and med-kits won't put out flames, will tick as mini-crits.
2. Flamethrowers can toggle an airsuck function instead of airblast, bringing a fleeing target next to the pyro.

damn the iron anus seems like a tight strategy

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>You're both killjoy retards who are afraid of your "serious esport game" becoming fun
no. fuck you. You have specific 9 classes that do different things because they do different thins and just making every class be jack of all trades is pretty stale.
I only said to make weapons that let you do a role in a different way, but that doesnt stop you from making a loadout that can actually work as a different role.
One of my spy loadouts was for example the ambassador, eternal reward and dead ringer. All of them give you a new way to do your job (killing key targets from up close by a backstab) like the ambassador gives you a
viable backup weapon to finish your job, eternal reward lets you kill players much more concealed if youre skilled enough and dead ringer gives you a getaway if you mess something up.
By combining all these you can make a loadout that can work for a front line, ambassador being your most used weapon for kills, eternal reward for quickly blending in and dead ringer for damage mitigation
and yes, i know 2 out of 3 of these weapons are nerfed to the ground and are pretty unusable nowadays, but i still remember the good times

>They can't send a Spy
Wrong

Just play Overwatch, since that's what you're copying anyways.

the key problem with heavy is that he is pretty much unstoppable in a 1v1, but very slow and inacurrate making him very easy to counter with a spy or a sniper.
you should treat heavy like you should treat tanks. Hes gonna go in slow and steady, destroying everything possible, but he will be very easily taken down by anything more specifically designed to kill targets like him, so you need to give him support to kill those specific killers like spies and snipers so he can push through.

why are these threads magnets for people who have bad ideas

because these are the only people left that can tolerate valve's retardation after meet your match

>ruined all the balance
it's even more balanced than the console version you asshole

Why are you discussing the game balance of a 12 year old game?
Haven't Valve already fixed it by now?

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What? No. There are weapons whose entire purpose is allowing you sustain for doing damage/killing.

> banners that encourage charging into the enemy base
If you're using the banner correctly, you're not going to be moving at full speed, because you'll be engaging the enemy right around whatever corner you were waiting to push. So it doesn't matter that Heavy's the slowest class.

> S tier
> Powerhouse

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the paint eaters have to express themselves somewhere.

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SOLDIER and DEMO are both OVERPOWERED CLASSES
Change my mind.

Just give the pyro the gravity gun

prove it

*reflects both of your class's shit*

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-Reduce air blast cost for all weapons
-Remove crits for phlog, add speed boost for mmmph
-REMOVE THE FUCKING DELAY FOR THE JETPACK
-Remove the compression delay on the dragons fury

comp is people voluntarily making bad life decisions

i need good net settings for hitscan
my shots dont fucking land, even when im in someone's face

>pyros
>ever reflecting demos stuff

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i've seen a few that have done it and caught me off guard before

The game is better than it's ever been, take off the nostalgia goggles. Retard

Absolutely braindead, just kill yourself and do the world a favor you retarded fuck.

What's the problem? Powerhouse is great

"unbind all"
It causes your internet speed to be unbound and go as fast as possible

i play scout with a candy cane on 24/7

what is wrong with that?

wtf my computer started making mustard gas

You dont play games, do you?

Sorry, just speaking from my 20 years of exp with qwtf and all...

Fuck you OP

Hey guys what do you think of my idea for a gamemode? I call it: "The Worthy"
>Game plays like normal but every 60/30 seconds the player at the bottom of the scoreboard gets moved to spectators and isn't able to rejoin either team until the match is done
>If either team doesn't win and only one player is left on both teams: The team with the player with the highest score wins

t. f2p babbies

kill yourselves you zoomer fucks

the original is for posers

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Why is there no quakeguy armor for soldier?

>Reeeeeeeeeee the game was better when it had less features and was less balanced!
lol, embarrassing

*breaks your game mode*

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Only 1 thing will ever improve TF2.

Tossing it, and making TF3.

because the pic related wasn't added to the game yet

How exactly would he break it?

Fuck off, reddit

>bloating the game with useless items and hats is an improvement

eat shit you retarded faggot

>Muh hats
Then use a mod to remove them, braindead retard. Why are you faggots always making problems out of nothing?

By being really easy to topscore with and yet at the same time being really shitty if too many are in one team. Of course it's just one example, any pocket would also have an excessively easy time topscoring.
But in reality that's not even the primary issue, the primary issue is that in this game mode the person that most needs to spend more time playing the game gets the least amount of time. Think about that.

>forcibly removing players from the game into spectate

this idea is buttfuckingly retarded, I'm glad a retard like you is not in charge of game design

What's retarded about it? Arena mode does the same thing and multiple people invluding myself loved Arena

>Punishing bad players
>Retarded
shitter alert

post your ideas then

Let Pyro explode when he dies from anything non-melee. Also the death scream is ear piercingly loud

>punishing bad players by keeping them bad
user, I...

>join serve
>0 score because I just joined
>walk 10 feet
>heh off to spectate with u kiddo :^)

you didn't even spend 10 seconds thinking about this shitty idea you retard

Guess I forgot to mention that players cannot join a team during a match.

Paid for the game and still playing, go away and stop complaining because everybody else got better than you

I say TF2 is shit now because Casual fucking sucks

this
just give me my fucking quickplay back

This is why you are here and not making multi million dollar video games

You are a shitter.

The community was a lot different before the mannconomy update. People actually played the game to have fun instead of playing just for the sake of collecting pretend hats and trinkets. I'm sorry you're too much of a retarded zoomer to understand this user

>pyro puffs a sticky trap
>demo detonates, pyros range is the same as the sticky trap explosion range, pyro dies
Airblast resetting stickybomb detonation timers when?

thats what the scorch shot is for

>"Good idea, we'll throw it in with all the other game modes that are left out from official matches." -Valve

Johnny Cage cameo

this is correct

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I don't mean a idea for an official mode, dumbass. Just a server plugin thing

>People actually played the game to have fun instead of playing just for the sake of collecting pretend hats and trinkets.
People still do, hats have literally not been relevant in ages. Even then, how the fuck are you gonna get a hat by playing the game you massive braindead retarded fuck?

Daily reminder that there is literally nothing wrong with casual.
youtube.com/watch?v=jq2vuWmRKZw

daily reminder that all e-celebs are complete and total faggots that no one should ever listen to

This. I played Quickplay because I wanted to relax in perfectly made pubs. Now there are spinbots in a fuckton of maps and you either are placed in a pubstomping team or the one getting pubstomped.

>No argument
Quickplayfags, everyone

Community servers are still a thing, retard.

>calls another person dumbass
>suggests a shitty idea
The only dumbass here is you.

>"what do you think of my idea for a gamemode"
I think you're a fucking retard.

But then soldier might die, can't have that

>games take upwards of 5 minutes or more to find if you dont have dustbowl, 2fort, or upward in your map select
>meaningless ranking system that adds nothing to the game
>the """matchmaking bans""" do fuck all because theres still tons of spinbots and cheaters in every game
>the games that dont have cheaters are always stomps in one direction
>you still get put into games that are literally over and switching maps even though its been over two fucking years since its implementation
>you still get put into games that have a minute or less left on the timer even though its been over two fucking years since its implementation
>no option to join at the beginning of a game even though fucking mvm has that option
kill yourself immediately eceleb worshipping niggerfaggot

He could break his foot up your ass :^)

Lmao why are you this upset over what I said? Are you actually autistic?

Daily reminder that a majority of posters in this thread are retarded except me and a handful of functioning members of society and should stop playing this game. Pic related is what your average TF2 Yea Forumsedditor looks like cause they have down syndrome.

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No, but obviously you are.

also
>spectate is still gone
>still cant select what team you want to play on when you join a game
>cant join a server with a friend and fight each other unless you get auto balanced now or if you join a community server good luck finding a vanilla one

>>games take upwards of 5 minutes or more to find if you dont have dustbowl, 2fort, or upward in your map select
I barely play those maps and I can get a game going in about a minute at most.
>>meaningless ranking system that adds nothing to the game
For you
>>the """matchmaking bans""" do fuck all because theres still tons of spinbots and cheaters in every game
I barely come across cheaters and when I do they get kicked in like a minute
>>the games that dont have cheaters are always stomps in one direction
Not really
>>you still get put into games that are literally over and switching maps even though its been over two fucking years since its implementation
I'll agree that's kinda bullshit, you can still just quit and requeue
>>no option to join at the beginning of a game even though fucking mvm has that option
Also pretty bullshit. I agree. Luckily everything else about the mode is still good

Stop exaggerating. I have those maps permanently disabled and it never took five minutes. Neither do I experience aimbotters in one tenth of my games, let alone every single one.

>hats have literally not been relevant in ages

but they still are dipshit. Peek into any TF2 thread and see how many faggots are sharing their cringey cosmetic loadouts. I haven't played this dumpster fire in years but last I checked you get randomly dropped hats/items by playing.

>what's retarded about it?
The person who thought of the idea.

Not an argument

>Peek into any TF2 thread and see how many faggots are sharing their cringey cosmetic loadouts.
Just like any other game with cosmetics?
> I haven't played this dumpster fire in years but last I checked you get randomly dropped hats/items by playing.
Confirmed for not playing the game, retard. Item drops only give you worthless weapons you already have, they're worth jack shit.

Piss off, shill

>For years be that engie who build mini-sentries on hightower annoying trolldier-fags
>Say one day fuck it and go trolldier
>Actually have fun
>Got annoyed when I got shot down by a mini
>mfw I became the thing I hated

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I have a proposition that will not only fix Heavy but give him a different role too.

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Why is there a sudden influx of faggots trying to make Yea Forums hate TF2? Thought these faggots died with Overwatch

>Wearer can't carry the intelligence briefcase
What about the PASS time jack?

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welcome to counter culture
you like thing? i hate thing
pic very related

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I always thought the cl_interp/lag compensation thing was a meme until I saw a spy constantly face stabbing everyone.

i just leave the game at that point
they're no different than aimbotters

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How is that even supposed to work? You can't jump while revved, right?

Give him a helmet that can get shot off comically after taking X amount of damage.

What slot would it take up?

secondary

Spot on, especially the cheaters and stomp matches. Every fourth game has at least one aimbotting sniper.
Almost every match is a stomp in one direction, the fuck is even the point of the match making system when it doesn't pair people of similar skill together. Retarded.

Again, there are barely any cheaters. I have only expierenced like 3 matches with cheaters in the last 3 months and they always got kicked within 5 minutes. Don't know what the last time was that you played.
As for the stomp matches, haven;t seen one since JI

>As for the stomp matches, haven't seen one since JI
not him, but are you sure?
it's pretty common to see one team with double the score of the other.

Medic just becomes better, a free health kit when the patient kills somebody - very cool.

Yes, though I usually play on koth and 5CP with maybe a bit of Dustbowl and Steel every once in a while so maybe that has something to do with it.

Bump

>revert minigun to pre-110 update stats (slower move speed while revved, longer rev time, but no damage penalty)
>heavy has a move speed increase when using the shotgun
>give the heavy a very short lived speed boost when switching to melee

Would this result in heavies actually using more than one weapon?

I'd like a heavy shotgun that works a bit like how the Cleaner's Carbine did, dealing damage builds up a meter which grants you full crits.
Also, give heavy a non-minigun primary that makes secondaries and melees do more damage and increase your movement speed, it would be something fat scouts like me would appreciate

Decrease dependence on Medic by giving every class a secondary wearable that decreases heal rate but stores over heal for twice as long as well as allowing overheal from dispensers

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What if scout got a melee that allowed for quake-style bunnyhopping at the cost of removing the double jump and -35 health? Would it be balanced or break the game?

VALVE HIRE THIS MAN

might just be flat out worse honestly.
there's a lot of spam in this game, so i could see him getting getting killed more frequently

TFC had a fuckwhole lot more spam and you were still able to get through that as scout if you had great skills in bunnyhopping

TFC scout also had concs

It would make the game much worse, I believe. Imagine being able to spawncamp a team and heal at the same time.

This game simply needs a better autobalance system.

and team scrambles

nah, fuck off

there isn't a lot terribly wrong with the game balance wise outside of pyro/spy being pointless and shitty maps

all i want for casual mode is a setting that makes you not join games in progress

when?

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literally kunai

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Here's a simpler fix:
>Medkits don't put out fires
It's that simple.

no

I'm seeing a bunch of spies using the dead ringer recently, who made the video on it?

And here I was thinking that no one could make pyro even more annoying.

You know the heavy's unlocks are wretched when even the cleaner's carbine starts to sound appealing.