When does it get good

When everything goes to hell. The build-up before that is required for context.

That shit got pretty fucking dark.

The animu is bad because it glosses over the details, which the VN goes into almost autistic rants over.

I played the VN a few months after I watched the anime, and still enjoyed it plenty. The VN has quite a few things that aren't in the anime - some chapters got cut down for time, and you can read various texts, forum posts, etc, at your own leisure instead of just when they're vital to the plot. And most of all there are all the different endings you can get that obviously aren't in the anime adaptation.

I'd say, though, that if you were just going to play one of the VNs, it should be Steins;Gate 0, because that really does have a ton of stuff in it that the anime couldn't make room for. It branches really early into multiple concurrent plotlines that the anime can only do its best to merge into one timeline.

Immediately. People who complain about the SoL first half are plebs.

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Its also even more of an incoherent clusterfuck so there's that as well.

When you get a bad end because you don't realize you have to manually bring up your phone and input the code for the time machine, just letting the text advance isn't enough.

>telling someone to read 0 over the original
Are you a sadist?

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I felt like an absolute fucking brainlet when I first did that.
It warns you like 3 fucking times and I'm sitting there wondering when hes going to pull out the fucking phone

It's good from the get go.
The SOL scenes are actually well written and the characters engaging.
Try reading Fate/SN or any Key VN if you want to see what a slow start is.

Yet those "almost autistic rants" still fail to make the plot and the rules of time travel coherent. So might as well gloss over the details I guess, though I personally have only read the VN and not watched the anime.

>fail to make the plot and the rules of time travel coherent
That's on you for being unable to understand what is put before you.

To be fair, some of the details are best left glossed over - when Kurisu explains at length how terabytes of memory data are "compressed" down to 36 bytes by literally physically compressing them by shooting them into a black hole, and that's the secret to how the time leap machine works, it was both fucking hilarious and kinda disappointing. I'd probably appreciate it better had the absurdity of the sci-fi not been pushed so far into the forefront.

Yeah, it's definitely more imperfect than the first one, but it's still easily worth a watch or read. In fact I'd say it's worth both - you get a lot of really good extra content in the VN, but the anime has a more satisfying delivery on the whole.

Only if he has limited interest in the VNs. I'd recommend both, but if he were to only read one, then seeing as he's already seen the anime adaptation of the original - which contains almost all of the VN's content, because it's linear - then reading the S;G0 VN will let him see, among things, the four weeks in the Soviet timeline, the kurisu memory implantation stuff, Yuki actually being Kagari in certain worldlines, and how multiple worldlines contributed to the eventual successful attempt at changing the past. If he only watched the anime for 0, he missed all that stuff, whereas if he only watched the anime for the original he still got most of it anyway.

When you stop reading it

Explain to me then how just hacking into SERN's database and removing some of the messages they sent changes their past immediately, even though they use neither d-mail or the time leap machine. Nowhere else in the plot their actions randomly affect the past retroactively.

Thank fucking god I'm not the only retard here, it took me far too long to realise I'd gone off the main story route

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>terabytes of memory data are "compressed" down to 36 bytes by literally physically compressing them
That's the only example of them just making things up, to be fair. All the other soft science elements were taken from actual conspiracy theories and pseudoscience as far as I know.

>Yuki actually being Kagari
That was so fucking stupid.

The message had been archived by ECHELON but not actually checked by a human yet. Deleting it means that SERN never becomes cognizant of the first D-mail and so the chain of events that defined Alpha can't occur any more.

That explains how the future from that point on could take a different trajectory than on other timelines, but it doesn't explain how their PAST changes immediately. Since no time machine is involved.

No, he's not wrong. I've spent enough time thinking over the rules of time travel to have realised that some of the criticisms I initially had were unreasonable, while other things really don't add up.

Here are some things that I objected to at first but softened on later:
>convergence, attractor fields, mayuri always dying
I originally thought this was nonsensical bullshit, but if you accept S;G as having an unusual approach to causality it works out decently enough. The way to think of it is this: the effect of changing the past isn't simply to create a present that follows naturally from it, as you'd expect. It's actually to shift to the closest possible worldline that incorporates the change you made. So if you've got an incredibly weighty event like Mayuri dying (and pushing Okabe towards time travel) or CERN taking over the world, then unless you make a change that is wholly incompatible with still being an alpha worldline, the closest possible wordline is still going to be one where Mayuri dies and CERN takes over. It's a bit counter-intuitive but it makes sense to me now I've spent more time with it.
>changing the past/present can actually alter events before that point too
This doesn't make much sense either, but it's the same as above - when this happens, it's because the closest possible worldline that includes the changes is one with different prior events. That will generally only happen when the past events you altered cause changes to future time travellers who were responsible for altering the past. So, for example, if you cause a worldline shift in 2010 that causes Suzuha in the future to not go back to 1975, then that also changes history before 2010 so that she's not in it.

1/2

Well that's easy. The future which is affected by the D-Mail affects Suzuha's time machine.

Here are some things that can't be adequately explained or justified:
>the nonsense with how the time leap machine works
The "compression" stuff is just ridiculous, genuinely really funny how dumb an explanation that is. Additionally, there's no adequate explanation given (nor could any be given) for how the terabytes of data are passed into a clamshell phone and then blasted with precision into Okabe's head. Also, if they have a way to compress the data they're sending to the past, that should mean they're able to send d-mails without worrying about the character limit. If they can squish an entire set of memories, they can also send a longer text message.
>changing wordlines without timetravel
This should not be possible. The concept of worldines necessitates that they're internally deterministic - the only case in which the future does not follow deterministically from the present and past is when time travel causes something - be it a message, set of memories, or time machine - to appear from nowhere and disrupt events. Therefore deleting the d-mail from CERN's database should have been impossible without time travel - if they were on a worldline where they delete the message without using time travel, then the future is already one that follows from that, and so CERN should not exist - yet it does. What would have worked is if they developed a way to "d-lete" the d-mail the moment it was placed into the database. That would cause a worldline shift.
Similarly, Okabe speaking to Amadeus in 0 should not cause a worldline shift. Worldline theory necessitates that the future has, in a sense, already happened. If Okabe picks up the phone, then he was already in a worldline where he picks up the phone and the future follows on from that.
2/3

>Suzuha and the time machine magically disappear back to the future style after they reach the Steins;Gate worldline and travel back forward to August
This contradicts all other examples of time travel. When you send a d-mail, it causes a worldline shift and most likely erases the future it came from, but that's not an issue because it doesn't need whatever caused it in order for to continue existing - it does, and that's that.
Strictly speaking, they were on the Steins;Gate wordline as soon as they arrived in the past to save Kurisu the second time. The events they came to change might not have happened until a little later, but worldline changes from when the external influence is introduced, not when its effects become apparent. So if Suzuha and the time machine were going to disappear, it should have happened as soon as Okabe arrived, not when they tried to leave - except that would be like a d-mail altering itself on arrival, so really they should have been unaffected by the worldline change they caused. What really ought to have happened is that Suzuha just doesn't disappear. After she successfully completes her mission and reaches Steins;Gate, she and her time machine should still be there. At most, she might change into a Steins;Gate wordline version of Suzuha who was sent back in time by future SG WL Okabe to pretend to be from WW3, and complete the circle.
>reading steiner is nonsense
This isn't a real criticism, I understand it's a necessary inclusion in order to have a working protagonist and a working plot, but for thoroughness I'll note that reading steiner makes no sense and there is no valid explanation beyond plot magic for how, or why, it should actually work.
3/3

>>Yuki actually being Kagari
>That was so fucking stupid.
Meh, it was a weird twist but it did still make some sense - Leskinen would agree to it because it lets him spy on his future opponents, and Kagari would propose it because despite being a brainwashed supersoldier she still longs for her mother, and this way she gets to spend a year acting as Mayuri's close friend (and also gets to spend time around Suzuha, who she probably has lingering conflicting feels about).

I am willing to read your wall of text because you have interesting things to say and I might learn something.
but for the love of god do not start making puns halfway through. if you make puns at the beginning I can escape before I waste any time on your bullshit. now I am trapped in the middle of a wall of text with a pun maker and I need to power through. fuck you.

sorry, that's the only pun and I didn't even employ it to try to be funny, it's just that "d-delete" is a waste of syllables

Mayushii a cute.

>how the time leap machine works
That's pretty silly. I don't think you'll find anyone who says otherwise. I just gloss over it because it's pretty harmless and it's just part of a sci-fi story.

>that should mean they're able to send d-mails without worrying about the character limit
Eh, I just see that as different implementations of an extremely experimental technology that was spawned by accident. I'd be scared of changing anything to do with the basic D-Mail function just in case I broke it and couldn't fix it.

>deleting the d-mail from CERN's database should have been impossible without time travel
It worked because it affected future events and changed the past by proxy.

>if they were on a worldline where they delete the message without using time travel, then the future is already one that follows from that
No, that's not the case. All those worldlines where Okabe sent a D-Mail? In those worldlines, he pushes a button and the world goes on. He gets captured, escapes, builds the meter and dies. Sure, when he send a D-Mail, a worldline shift occurs but the worldline he pressed the send button in by necessity has a future beyond that button press.

>>Suzuha and the time machine magically disappear back to the future style
I'll give you that one, but again it's something I gloss over as it doesn't affect the actual plot. They win, Suzu fades away because she no longer has a reason to go back, hooray! She /should/ be there along with the machine and Okabe but whatever.

>they were on the Steins;Gate wordline as soon as they arrived in the past to save Kurisu the second time.
Not quite. Every time the physical machine is used, they're moved to a sliiiightly different worldline.

...

Nah, it's a video game, I bought it on steam

VNs are vidya, fag.

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>>deleting the d-mail from CERN's database should have been impossible without time travel
>It worked because it affected future events and changed the past by proxy.
That's what I'm saying though, in a worldline model the future has effectively already happened - the past, present and future all come as a package deal. The only to escape the future your worldline is headed towards is to jump to a different one. Either it's impossible for them to delete it, or it's impossible for them deleting it to stop CERN, but the fact that they're on a worldline where CERN controls the future is proof that whatever they do, events will still converge towards CERN's dystopia. The only thing that can cause the future to unfold differently is for a d-mail (or time traveller or whatever) to influence events from outside local causality.

>>if they were on a worldline where they delete the message without using time travel, then the future is already one that follows from that
>No, that's not the case. All those worldlines where Okabe sent a D-Mail? In those worldlines, he pushes a button and the world goes on. He gets captured, escapes, builds the meter and dies. Sure, when he send a D-Mail, a worldline shift occurs but the worldline he pressed the send button in by necessity has a future beyond that button press.
Yes, I know that. Consider this:
>Okabe sends a d-mail. in the worldline he's in, nothing happens, and so the future of that worldline is that Okabe does the normal alpha worldline stuff, makes the meter, dies, etc. Before and after he pressed the button to send the d-mail, it is the same worldline with the same inevitable future. However, that worldline's future never comes to pass, because time travel causes a shift to a worldline where the d-mail arrives in the past and changes events.
Deleting it is different. Deleting it was always part of the future where CERN wins. No worldline shift, no change to past events. It's already accounted for.

when you hear the most kino hype music of all timelines
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I'm quite fond of this one
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And this one is maximum comfy, I've got it in my comfy playlist for when I need comfytimes.
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I need to try this again, I loved the artstyle but I felt like it was being wasted on endless scenes in drab grey rooms

How far through did you get?

>it's impossible for them to delete it
It's only impossible when they don't have the IBN 5100 to decrypt ECHELON's server. That's why Okabe's messages have such huge effects on divergence. They affect the location / functionality of the IBN 5100.

Based.

If the future Suzuha came from is dominated by CERN, then it is impossible to stop CERN in that worldline, because the future is set in stone and we know what it is. So maybe events conspire to prevent them deleting it. Maybe deleting it isn't enough. I don't claim to know how or why it's impossible to stop CERN in that worldline, only that it is, because in its future they clearly haven't been stopped.

>everyone says that it gets really good once you-know-what happens
>but you prefer the first half by far

Steins;Gate has such a slow build-up with such a great payoff. Just stick with it if you have the patience and you'll be rewarded.

only a few hours, 3 or 4

When you get the super secret ending.

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Still angry at the piece of shit that was the 0 anime

I recommend you go back and give it another go, it's really good. I won't even say the start is bad and it gets better later - the start's good, you just don't realise it until later on.

What was so bad about it? When I played the 0 VN I was impressed by how decent a go it had made of combining several different VN branches into something coherent.

The grand finale was pretty anti-climatic and weak for me.
Ever17 did it much better.

Is Ever17 good?

>If the future Suzuha came from is dominated by CERN, then it is impossible to stop CERN in that worldline, because the future is set in stone
Yeah, so you change the worldline by doing something in the present that will have knock on effects in the past, like sending a D-Mail or deleting the first D-Mail off the server.

Yes.

Go play it.

Sending the d-mail and deleting the one on the server work differently. Sending a d-mail causes a worldline shift to one where a message appears out of nowhere in the past. Nothing internal to that worldline account account for that message, causally, and that's why things have to change to accomodate it. Deleting it doesn't involve something entering the worldline from outside - there is no sudden external influence that disrupts events. Unlike the d-mail suddenly appearing out of nowhere as an uncaused phenomenon, deleting it was always going to happen, the past that leads up to deleting it was always going to happen, and the future that follows from deleting it was always going to happen. If you magically knew the future you would know both that the d-mail gets deleted (because it does) and that CERN takes over the world (because it does). The reason sending a d-mail causes a worldline shift is because the d-mail, causally speaking, shows up out of nowhere. Nothing in the original future of the worldine the d-mail arrives at is responsible for sending it there, the big deterministic calculation of the future has to be redone because something has actually changed that was never accounted for in that worldline's original future.

should i play this or watch anime if i dont give a fuck

Episode 1, minute 1.

What don't you give a fuck about? Personally I recommend both. Maybe start with the anime if you're hesitant - and remember that it won't click until half way through when shit hits the fan and you realise the importance of everything up to that point.

i dont give a fuck about anime. and dont give a FUCK about janky VNs.

does it show anything or is it just a bad end?

Then fuck off, fuckhead.

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Lmao you have to be underage to not see the aberrant piece of shit zero is.

Yes. The pacing can be a little slow for ADHD kids these days but itis worth it.

It just had absolutely none of the soul the original s;g anime had. I couldn't put my finger on it until I rewatched s;g after finishing 0, but it felt like a completely different anime, and a very mediocre one. Not surprising as 0 was done by new, inexperienced directors who presumably fucked it up.

Are you interested in playing/watching it or not?

Indulge me for a moment and tell me why. Is it because Kagari's annoying? I agree there, though I found seeing different iterations of her in the VN made her more sympathetic. Is it because the worldline shifts being determined by whether you answer Amadeus doesn't make sense? I agree that's an annoying weak point too, but I don't think it's enough to ruin the entire thing.

And the deletion also results in changes to the past that make the present impossible. It's just less direct than sending a D-Mail.

The anime is excellent even if some parts are changed for the worse.

It doesn't show Suzuha getting the dick if that's what you're asking.

The first part introduces you to the chars, makes you care and like them and sets the stage for the events that follow. I don’t get either why morons keep talking about how it “gets good on the second part”. It is great from the start.

I want to experience the story because I've heard good things about it. But don't care much for anime or VNs. So which is the least worst way to experience the story?

Just a reminder to read the other VNs in the SciADV series if you liked S;G, especially Chaos;Child which is one of the best in the series.

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Choosing whether to answer Amadeus at certain points determines who gets what information when and so who is playing / will be playing with time machines.

She notices he's time traveling and tells him she can just go back and get the ibm instead of being stuck in the loop. He tells he she ultimately gets amnesia and fails so instead they opt to go together to the past in that end

Also they changed a few chars characterization to cram some artificial development to have something to pad the VN with (yet in most cases is the same conversation 5 times, like nuSuzuha and Daru, or muh Salieri) fake dramatic fights where the protagonists are retarded and get the gun stolen but there is no tension because they plot armor through it (2 times at least that I remember), and some more similar stuff that I’m going to handwave since long paragraphs are a pain on mobile.

I really want to but I'm an autist that wants to play Chaos;Head first and I can't play it on Vita which makes me lose motivation.

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Hmm. I think I understand what bothered you - the first one invests a big portion of its time into getting you familiar with and fond of the characters, and uses that to make you care about the shit they go through in the second half. 0, on the other hand, is still relying on the same good times depicted in the original as its emotional hook. In Steins;Gate, the goal is to get back to the happy days at the start of Steins;Gate. In Steins;Gate 0, the goal is still to get back to the happy days at the start of Steins;Gate - it doesn't have any of its own, because it's set in a doomed, unhappy timeline.

I get how that could hurt your enjoyment, but I don't think that means it's bad, it's just different. It's got a much darker tone, and deservedly so. I found that getting to see that dark timeline made me a lot more appreciative of the good times and how the characters were then. I found Okabe's Hououin Kyouma stuff obnoxious and unlikable all through Steins;Gate - it wasn't until near the end of 0, when he gets back from 2036, that I realised I actually missed the mad scientist act. Similarly, getting to see that Daru has a backbone and the makings of a competent leader made me a lot more patient with the bumbling otaku of 2010, and Mayuri's development in 0 also made me more appreciative of the original.

I wonder if the time between watching/reading them is important. I started off with the SG anime last year, and immediately followed it with the SG0 anime which had recently aired. I consumed them together and hadn't spent years digesting SG before 0 came out. I found SG0 made me retroactively appreciate SG a lot more, but maybe someone who's had a lot of time already to reflect on SG wouldn't experience that.

When everyone dies.

Least worst, also known as best way, is to read the VN. If you can't sit still long enough to read a god damned book with pictures, watch the anime. Is not as good as the original VN but still quite good.
Those are your options but if you don't like either I don't understand why do you try to masochist your way into it.

I've read SG, SG0, and CC, but as far as I'm aware the rest don't have English releases, or any completed fan translations. Am I wrong? I've really wanted to explore more SciAdv stuff but it looked like there wasn't anything left but poorly received anime adaptations or learning Japanese.

Delete this.

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You can read the original Chaos;Head in English but there is not translation of Noah yet. It is good.

What about the one with the big tiddies?

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I understand how the future follows from whether or not you do it, but doing it shouldn't cause a worldline shift. Either you're in a worldline where he picks up the phone and certain people benefit from it, or you're in a worldline where he doesn't pick up the phone. Which worldline he's in is determined before the event ever actually happens.

It would work fine just as a choice mechanic - if you choose one option, one thing happens, if not, the other - but it's depicted as causing a worldline shift in-setting, and that doesn't make sense.

If you don't like reading and want the most accessible presentation (and a somewhat smaller time investment) then watch the anime. It's got a couple defects but you don't sound like you'll care enough about them to notice - and if you decide you really liked it then you can always read the VN to see the few things you missed out on.

I've heard Chaos;Head isn't worth playing without the improvements made by Noah - is that true? Either way, where can I get it? Is it a PC release or would I need to emulate something?

That's just the compromise that comes with the greater player freedom in 0. Assume that in each playthrough for each route you're in different worldlines that result in different actions being taken.

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I liked it and the complaints you heard are probably just autists sperging because they found there is fiction in a work of fiction. That said, Noah apparently adds character routes and it is overal a more complete experience. I heard some guys were doing a translation so you might want to wait for when it drops but I'm not really following and the project might as well be abandoned. Just google the status of the translation and balance your SciAdv hunger against the possibility of having to reread Noah shortly after.
I downloaded the iso and the emulator in case they pull through tho.

>And the deletion also results in changes to the past that make the present impossible. It's just less direct than sending a D-Mail.
If it does, then those changes are already accounted for in the future.

In the worldline where they delete the mail, this sequence of events is always inevitable:
the past >> suzuha arrives from the future >> stuff happens >> they delete the d-mail >> CERN rules the future anyway >> suzuha travels to the past

If anything other than that were to happen - for example, a d-mail showing up out of nowhere - it would be a different worldline. But without some wild card extra-causal phenomenon showing up to disrupt things, everything that happens is just part of the predestined sequence of events that leads to CERN ruling the future.

I've not done too much digging regarding the Noah translation, but at a glance it didn't look like it was going anywhere fast.
What platform was C;H originally on? What do I need to emulate? I've emulated a couple PS2 games before but only that, so if you have a link to more info that'd be great.

Is it a similar time travel plot or is it just another very high quality VN?

Also, reading about it, it says there was a remake recently that was fairly well received. Am I blaspheming if I play that, or is it fine either way?

Yeah don't have any links at hand mate, just nyaa or piratebay it and then google some PS3 emulator.
Still, I think i remember reading some clickbait article about MAGES teasing a Noah translation. Do your research, I already read the original and I'm kinda out of the loop.

Just googled it, and it seemed like it never did get an English release on any platform - there is however a fan translation of the PC version. Is that what you played?

>The concept of worldines necessitates that they're internally deterministic - the only case in which the future does not follow deterministically from the present and past is when time travel causes something - be it a message, set of memories, or time machine - to appear from nowhere and disrupt events. Therefore deleting the d-mail from CERN's database should have been impossible without time travel - if they were on a worldline where they delete the message without using time travel, then the future is already one that follows from that, and so CERN should not exist - yet it does. What would have worked is if they developed a way to "d-lete" the d-mail the moment it was placed into the database. That would cause a worldline shift.

But the D-mail itself was sent by time travel. Since they delete it before SERN realized it was there it caused the D-mail's original effect, i.e. a worldline shift, to be undone, same as when Okabe sent the cancellation D-mails to the other characters. The only reason he had to do that was because he didn't have the means to delete the D-mail he sent before they were read. D-mail are an effect without a cause, so removing the D-mail removes the effect.
Also, attractor field theory states that the worldline converges towards certain events, but it doesn't mean that the way you get there is set in stone. For instance, all the Alpha worldlines converge on Mayuri's death but by time leaping, Okabe is able to change how she dies without changing worldlines, but cannot prevent her death entirely because the convergence is too strong.

You are better off not knowing the details about the plot. It... resembles S;G in certain aspects but I wouldn't say it has a similar plot at all. It is one of the classic VNs and it is certainly worth your while. If for whatever reason you can't handle the pacing in the middle of the VN, you can try 999, which is a bit more agile yet similar thematically. I still prefer Ever17 but 999 is good too.

As soon as it takes place the line shifts.

From what I remember Steiner had a Noah script ready to go and it was rejected because C;H was too old and they wanted to focus on more recent VNs.

Yeah, i played the fan tranlation years ago, somewhere between 2011-2014. That one should be on nyaa.

when you get phone messages from anons telling you to cut the shit

Question about the extended ending from sg0 anime. what will happened to 0kabe Suzu and Mayuri in prehistoric times? And what will happen to the sg0 worldlines as a whole now that 0kabe in 2036 helped his 2010 self reach steins gate worldline?

>When does it get good

when you accidentally kill off someone by turning them into jelly.

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>From what I remember Steiner had a Noah script ready to go and it was rejected because C;H was too old and they wanted to focus on more recent VNs.
Fuck this gay earth.

When and in what route did this happen? For some reason I don't remember this particular death of Mayuri at all.

SG0 ending takes place in 2025, not 2036. They're about to send the video D-mail which will cause a worldline shift to the Steins Gate worldline, but doing so would cause 0kabe's Reading Steiner to overwrite SG worldline Okabe. To prevent that from happening, 0kabe leaves with the time machine so that he's not present when the D-mail is sent.
I think the idea is that after finding Suzuha and Mayuri, he takes them back to 2025 but after the D-mail is sent. If the D-mail worked, they'd probably fade away like Suzuha did at the end of SG due to the worldline being shifted. If it didn't work, then at least Suzuha and Mayuri would be safely back in 2025.

It wasn't like that user described at all, it's one of the scenes where you wait instead of immediately time leaping and it's said SERN kidnapped her.

Why musnt 0kabe overwrite SG worldline Okabe? Wouldnt he just move to the SG worldline but in 2025 instead? Then again Suzu and Mayuri would still be stuck in the past

I'll look into them both. Can you recommend a version/means of playing it? It seems there are different versions on PS2 and 360.

There is no reason the line should shift. It taking place is an expected event in that worldline.

It's just the normal trunk of the plot in SG - I believe it happens depending on whether or not you answer a phone call at some point, or just time leap immediately. It's called "nightmare scenario", look up the details of how to get it. Also, if you haven't already, be sure to investigate what Nae does after she sees her dad die when you confront him with Moeka

It's a little open to interpretation, but here are a few things we can probably say that 0kabe will bring mayuri and presumably suzuha to 2025 so that mayuri is around to be able to adopt kagari. suzuha presumably keeps her distance from her younger self to avoid fuckery, maybe sacrifices herself at the earliest opportunity. 0kabe either goes ahead and dies in 2025 as expected, or leaves to another time while faking his death.

They'll have timed the sending of the d-mail so that he doesn't exist anywhere in the world at the moment it's sent, and so his reading steiner doesn't kick in and suddenly overwrite Steins;Gate worldine Okabe's mind out of nowhere when he reaches 2025.

Technically speaking, from the moment they change the worldline 0kabe and all the rest don't exist - only one worldline is ever the "real" one at any time, so when we talk about what they did next it's really just discussion of what comes next in a now hypothetical worldline.

But yeah, once the d-mail gets sent to Okabe the steins;gate worldline becomes the real one and all the 0kabe ones are as hypothetical as any other.

Same here famalam.

It got hard to stop playing, I wanted to see wtf happened next

(I played Elite)

There's no technical reason he couldn't do it, but it would be pretty unfair to the SG Okabe, since he'll have 15 years worth of memories erased. SG Okabe is just better off this way.

>spend 5 minutes writing explanation of how unfair and tragic this would be
>my kitten jumps up onto my bed, steps on the escape key, and deletes the post just as I'm about to send it
damn you Clover

Cute!

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english release WHEN?

Is there any way at all to retrieve what you've written when the quick reply window gets closed?

>only one worldline is ever the "real" one at any time
So if they time travel away from prehistoric times, theyll fade away since their sg0 world line is overwritten by the steins gate worldline?

Same, I can't understand people who say that it only gets good once shit hits the fan. I loved it from he very start.
Also people who apparently hated the Kyouma personality till he lost it in 0 and regained it later. I fucking love his chuuni stuff.

For all the shit that the 0 anime gets, it still has some spectacular moments, I loved episode 8 and 16, the episode ending where Okabe finds Kagari's room and the ed starts to play, the final ending was also very very good.

>I fucking love his chuuni stuff.
It gives him a fuckton of charisma out of the gate, specialy compared to other bland self insert MCs, plus once you get the explanation of why he does it it gets even better.

Honestly, just the fact the anime cuts out the retarded Yuki-Kagari twist makes it overall a better experience than the VN for me.

One of these days I should get drunk and watch the anime. The faster pacing and differences with the VN might actually make it better, or at least bearable.

Yeah, that's a good thing too, I don't think 0 is anywhere close to being as good as the original, but it's still good in my opinion, there were a few things that couldn't get adapted, and I get why, so I would still say VN+anime is far better.

probably not until after they update it with more content

>Be elite time traveling rebel from 2036
>Still uses a glock
???

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They won't "fade away" - what happens to Suzuha at the end of SG is really inconsistent with everything else we're shown of time travel, you should forget you ever saw that to be honest. No one in the SG0 worldline will notice anything, because the change isn't a change to the worldline they're in - it's a change to which worldline is the real one. In whatever hypothetical existence they inhabit, life goes on as it was going to, so they probably make it back to the future without issues, and Mayuri adopts Kagari as we know she will. The only thing is that reality has shifted to a different worldline so in that sense none of that stuff actually happens.

I wouldn't say I hate the Kyouma personality, but I did find it a bit obnoxious and tedious sometimes. Once you've learned to love it it's fine, but when you're watching it for the first time and the main character is causing a scene like a massive twat and being horrendously rude to everyone around him and you're not really on board with it yet, it makes it difficult to like him. I found it to be similar with Daru's perversion and Mayuri's airheadedness - once I got to see them at their best, acting admirably in difficult situations, I found it easier to enjoy them as they normally are, because I could trust that there was more to them beneath the surface.

I think him arriving back from 2036 and resurrecting Hououin Kyouma might actually have been the high point of both anime series, for me at least. After 20 episodes of saddo scientist, it was a really really satisfying, cathartic moment.

they're good kit

hey they were also scavengers
you deal with what you've got

I watched the anime, so I don't know but I've heard that Kyouma is far more grating in the VN, because I never minded it in the anime.

Really? I watched the anime first, but found Kyouma a lot more tolerable in the VN. I don't know how much it's because I'd already seen the anime and it wasn't my first time being introduced to him, and how much it's because you have direct access to his thoughts instead of mostly observing him from the outside and wondering what the fuck is wrong with him. My guess would be a bit of the latter, but mostly the former.

i just want robotics;notes in english spike chunsoft why would you translate the yu-no remake instead

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IMO, the mad scientist personality is more fun when you have the visual elements, like faces and mannerisms, that go with it. In the VN all you really do is listen to Okabe's voice.

One thing I definitely did notice is that Faris is much better in the VN. The chapter where he convinces her to reverse her d-mail gets cut down quite a bit for time in the anime, and in general it's made a lot less clear to the viewer that she's really smart in her own way, and the only one who can keep up with his unending torrent of chuunibyou bollocks.

Is the yu-no remake good? That caught my eye as something to look into.

I just want Darling of Loving Vows in English. We have been through death and despair to reach steins gate world line. Let us romance the girls now

The English translation is on YouTube. I'd just want a new version of its Kurisu route though, it left me feeling somewhat blue-balled (some great moments but too much wasted on tedium and frustration that went nowhere)

I want to be able to get Linear Bounded Phenogram without buying Elite. I bought and play SG and SG0 recently, so I have no reason to pay for Elite except that it's got LBP bundled in with it. I don't want to pay £30+ for a collection of side stories thrown in as a freebie.

And also yes I want translations of all the other SciAdv stuff too

Lienar Bounded Phenogram is about the same length as the original VN, though, maybe slightly shorter. Just think of it as you're buying LBP and getting Elite as the freebie.

i predict them translating it at the same time as robotics;notes elite and bundling them like s;g elite and phenogram

The manga version of the kurisu route is far better from what I've seen, too bad itst not completelt translated. Also, Inuzuka Clinic has great S;G doujin, perfect art and writing while being completely in character for both Okabe and Kurisu and taking in account for the events of S;G, felt realistic. Only need translations for nhentai.net/g/124132/

Yeah, I know. But that would still mean paying more for LBP than I did for SG and SG0 put together - I got both of those in sales, and Elite has a higher base price and won't get any substantial discounts for a long time.

I've got Elite wishlisted. When it dips low enough I'll get it and play LBP and I'm sure I'll be happy with my purchase - but they really ought to just make it available separately if they're going to go to the effort of translating it.

Got the Suzuha ending my first try, it was depressing bros. What happened after they time traveled for the last time?

Why would Steins;Gate romance side story get bundled with R;N Elite?

I believe the writers have said the details will remain a mystery, but whatever happened it worked out for them.

because spike chunsoft doesn't want to sell fandiscs by themselves and it would coerce a few steins;gate only fags that wouldn't buy r;n otherwise

Luckily I can read moonrunes, thanks for the suggestions.

I guess. Is there any precedent for doing that though? How were the Chaos;Child romance side stories bundled?

Good for you I guess, I don't see it ever getting tled myself. Wish I could've understood what was happening though.

Is it any good or is it just one dimensional moe garbage for bottom of the barrel fanboys?

for me about 2-3 hours. but the quality is pretty much constantly increasing

u fucked up anime fag. y would u ruin steinsgate for urself like that?

It's not for niggers so you can't play it. Sorry

You'd think it's the latter (from the cover art, intro song etc., really the premise) but it's surprisingly well keeping in line with the original VN in style and spirit, to the extent I've read it. It really just felt like extension of the lighter SoL elements of the original VN.

Does he seem to u like a person who's ever read anything of their own volition?

>If you arent a weeb loser you are a nigger
Yikes. Some of us are just grown ups zoomer.