Is calling this the best in the series some sort of new Yea Forums meme or did Fallout actually peak where it all began?

no, 1 is by far the best
far more focused and less goofy than 2 is
New Vegas is shit and barely better than 3

Disagree. Fallout 3 still had some semblance to the open ended gameplay philosophy that defined the first two Fallout games. Fallout 4 throws all of that out for a mediocre looter shooter with haphazard RPG elements.

>New Vegas is shit and barely better than 3
Could you elaborate why you think that? Genuinely interested.

I disagreeeeeeeeeeee

I don't know why people think Vegas is so great
its good don't get me wrong but the game is deeply flawed and much of the game is unfinished and focuses way too much on the NCR and gives no attention to the Legion.

1 is quality over quantity
better post apocalyptic world and better villain

mainly subjective but I can't stand the gamebryo engine
>game trends towards more zanyiness of 2(romans vs robots vs cowboys)
>combat gameplay isn't satisfying or good, but better than 3
>game was near unfinished and unpolished on release, still needs mods and bugfixes to this day

It's Obsidian's fatal flaw, they can come up with good ideas and concepts but can never implement them or make a good game to save their lives
That said, the core gameplay loop of combat is horrible and no amount of good writing or interesting quests can save that. I suspect it's mainly the engine at fault, but improve the combat and the game would get a lot better.

1>NV>2>Tactics>3>4

If you're a zoomer and have never played the original Fallout games but want to appear like you have:
NV>Any of the first 2>Bethesdashit.

Isometric chad list:
1/2>NV>Bethesdashit.

It really did peak at 1. Anyone who says 2 > 1 is a brainlet and Bethesda's garbage engine kills NV.

not him but the biggest issue has to be that the Legion is complete dogshit in everyway basically making the war "support good guys vs support bad guys and most civilized places will kill you on sight"

what engine do you think would be better for New Vegas?

The engine Tim Cain made for FO1/2.

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isometric with turn based combat of course

I'm surprised someone hasn't attempted that.

Probably because it was would be a huge undertaking. It'd be interesting to see Larian make a Fallout game with the engine they used for D:OS2, though. I wouldn't trust nu-Obsidian.

1 is better but 2 is close though

you'd need a full dev team and millions of dollars at a minimum

this is beautful

Most people started with 3 and NV was a big improvement over that, so it's pretty easy to see why NV is so popular. Before Bethesda acquired the rights, Fallout was a niche PC series that only nerds cared about.
NV is also a very good game, but it's hindered by lack of development time and the engine used.

Pipeline is
3D render in 90s 3D software -> Handpolish and downscale -> Create tiles -> Extreme amounts of polish -> QA team has to go over it to find missing descriptions

>Most people started with 3 and NV
These people should not be allowed to post on Yea Forums

it could be done if you do it like the original games did where you can only see main areas
like you can only travel to places like Strip, Goodsprings, Primm and stuff like that

do it faggot

deviantart.com/red888guns/art/Fallout-USSR-part-2-743777868

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I've read some really stupid shit on this board, but you take the prize. The level of idiocy you demonstrate makes me feel you suck all intelligence from every room you enter, just like you suck every cock.

SOMEONE MAKE ANOTHER ISO FALLOUT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I enjoyed playing Fallout 1, 2, 3, and NV and feel that each game had things they did well (and not so well). I don't get why people are so hung up on comparing them with one another in tier lists; judge each game by its own merits.

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silence nigger

he is right

How come you are such a faggot before even reaching puberty?

FAGGOT

*blocks your path*

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4's the best Fallout

Shut up, faggot. He's right.

It's still a better game than anything prior in the series. Branching dialog and story options don't mean anything if it's just a veneer over bad fundamental gameplay like in the first three games and New Vegas.

This. I also think NV is a great game, but I see so many people holding it up as one of the best RPGs ever. KOTOR II is my favorite RPG, but I don't think it's the best with it's unfinished, rushed nature.

Only Fallout that stayed true to it's themes. Every other Fallout is an incohesive mess in comparison. Not bad games, just incohesive and spotty.

*Crits u* nuthin personell save states

Things would be a lot better if Fallout had remained a dead series.
It's like Star Wars.

Companions felt like a last minute addition to FO1. Ian causes more trouble than he saves.

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The mother fucker blocked the entrance in the bathroom building next door, I could not get out.

He was an absolutely great meat shield

The only people who think that NV is one of the greatest RPGs ever are zoomers that have only ever played a handful of games that can be considered RPGs.

Cope. That user is right.

Does that mean Yea Forums is mostly made up of zoomers?

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This. Its consistent tone is its biggest strength.

Yes. Do you have any doubts about that?

Of course it is. Do you expect adults to keep coming here and spend their time with children who post about anime and e-celebs?

That's not true at all, the game has been praised on Yea Forums almost since its release.

Doesn't contradict anything I said.

It's kino. Everything feels like it was handcrafted like every aspect was paid proper attention. It's one of those perfect games, a magnum opus. That said i prefer NuVegas. It has higher highs even though its lows are also lower to that of Fallout 1.
2 is fucking garbage. Honestly it is what informed Bethesda to take the series in the direction that they did.

That was nearly 10 years ago, bro. Zoomers were too young to know about Yea Forums then, they would have been like five.

Based.

2 is better. You can meme about pop culture references all you want but it was like three times bigger and more open

All correct, refreshing to see that there are still some people left on Yea Forums who haven't lost their minds.

God this makes me erect, got anymore?

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>they would have been like five.
No. Mid 90's is already zoomer tier.

>it's bigger so it's better
we aren't talking about cock,s faggot

Why are people so obsessed with celebrities in general? It's a pretty weird thing following someone you don't even know and caring about their stupid lives, I get maybe liking their content, but it should end there

Nah 2 is much better

Well I've been here for a long ass time and I've been praising it on here since it came out, and I'm from the old Fallout fanbase.

I do think 2 is better but it really exaggerates in the wacky department. My main gripe with 2 is that it lacks the tone of 1.

Some of them are pretty funny.

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>not new IPs
>nah xD
fo2fags are desperate

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Good for you. NV is a good game, but I don't see as worthy of figuring among the top 10 best RPGs ever.

Fallout 2 retard runs are are an absolute blast.
I disagree, but I respect your opinion. I realize the game is deeply flawed in some aspects but on the whole it's a great swan song for the old fanbase.

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actually fucking based user

It's definitely top 10, senpai:

Fallout 1
Fallout 2
Fallout New Vegas
Planescape: Torment
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines
Jagged Alliance 2
Gothic II
Morrowind
Arcanum
Baldur's Gate II

>ywn play this

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My favorite part is the guy you first in Klamath who speaks like a retard to anyone without a low INT stat; but with a low INT stat, he's one of the most articulate characters in the game.

>Tor save moo moos from bug men

Personally I wouldn't consider JA2 an RPG but it is a great turn-based tactical game. All in all that's a pretty good list.

>It's still a better game than anything prior in the series.
Are you joking?

There's something about the long journey you take to finish the game that makes it feel special, faggot. It's not like it's padded with useless filler like Fallout 4

I got that. I have a bunch of these saved.

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Reckon I'll just dump the rest.

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You can swap out JA2 for KotoRII, then.

See, that is an example of a joke that rubs me the wrong way. That kind of self-aware humor is fine is a game that is meant to be comedic, like Monkey Island for example. But in a RPG, which is a genre where atmosphere and immersion are important, it just fucks with the tone of the game. And Fallout 2 has "witty" jokes like that at every corner. All it accomplishes is preventing you from taking the game seriously. And that is a huge negative in a RPG.

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Most of the goofy lines in New Reno like that only happen once you beat the game, though.

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This one is my personal favorite.

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I get that, but even Fallout 1 has some humor in it. Fallout, to me, has always been about the juxtaposition between the harshness of the wasteland with black humor.

I'm not. Fallout 4 has bad writing but the gunplay balance and overall gameplay loop of scavenging/settlement building/modding weapons and armor/survival mode is way more fun than anything else in the series. 1 and 2 were basically point & click adventure games with the thinnest veneer of CRPG gameplay and NV falls on its face in anything outside the story.

This looks awesome

>but even Fallout 1 has some humor in it.
Yes, some. I am fine with some. But I feel that 2 went over the line.

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Where is this? I don't remember that area from 2.

the difference is that the humor is very dry in the first game while 2 is on the nose satire. I find 2 inferior to 1 when it comes to tone, story, well pretty much everything except the few quality of life improvements 2 introduced like being able to push your companions and stuff like that.

I don't remember much humor in fo1, the only real pop culture reference I remember is the one from the iguana guy quest

Under New Reno Arms. Sneak in through the back and go down the stairs and Algernon will upgrade weapons for you for free.

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how well fallout 1 and 2 run on modern systems? any fucked up interaction/bug that some old games have?

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>Everyone younger than me is wrong and bad
Get a life grandpa.

>has bad writing
And it was a terrible rpg. Fallout never had great gameplay but it allowed immersive role playing with genuinely good writing. Very few games can top that meanwhile many games do what FO4 does but better.

I've played through 2 many times, but never knew about that. That's why I love 1 and 2, I always find new shit when I play them.

NV above 1 is literall zoomer tier

I simply corrected him on the cut-off point of zoomers. Stop interpreting ill-intent everywhere, user.

random encounters are a different thing and they are rare so they don't break the atmosphere

just remake the OG fallouts already you scum...

>many games do what FO4 does but better.
What are they?

I recently played them on windows 10 at 1080p without any issues, steam version

They run with no problems. I'd recommend some mods for the UI, though, as the UI for those games is genuinely bad.

S: fallout
A: empty
B: fallout 2
C: new vegas
didnt play: rest

Not trying to rain on your parade, but this piece of dialogue isn't amusing to me in the slightest. Bottom of the barrel tier humor.

Borderlands

Borderlands and Far Cry

Humor in F2 isn't black, it's wacky. There's a reason why people compare it to Borderlands

cool
ty

I always ignored that series because art style put me off. Does it have base building or survival mechanics?

It's been a long time since I've played 2 but I don't remember it trying to be very funny outside of flavor text or easter egg encounters. Yea Forums really seems to overstate the level of humor in it.

No, but it offers a much more focused and better version of Fallout 4's gameplay loop of "go here, kill stuff, loot, repeat". Borderlands 2 also has top tier gunplay.

>Does it have base building or survival mechanics?
No. But Borderlands feels grindy. If that is your cup of tea, try it out. But it bores me.

Flavor text is the entire game.

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Play it again and refresh your memory then. This is an instance where Yea Forums isn't exaggerating. It really is in-your-face with its humor.

What is your favorite comedy?

>Tactics this low

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>Humor in F2 isn't black
What about the Hubologists? Which are an obvious parody of Scientologists.

NV>1>3>2>4

Pop-culture parody isn't black humor.

absolutely abhorrent taste

Fallout 3 was the best

holy shit that is beautiful. Damn near brought a tear to my eye. Do you know who made that (and how)?

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>Do you know who made that (and how)?
Read the thread, bud.

I would say that 1 definitely nails the fucking atmosphere and tone, and is genuinely creepy and unsettling. I still need to get around to actually finishing it myself.
>Go back to the town of Ghouls because I realize I never actually told them that I had fixed their water pump
>Literally all of them are dead
I do feel like time zooms by before you know it though. I get the intentions, but it feels super limiting to the freedom of the rest of the game. How many days do you have in the Steam version of Fallout? I see it said anywhere from 500 days to something like 12 years.

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>Borderlands
Can Randy get banned already?
I'm sick of him shilling his shit games

thanks user.

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>Ask for example
>Get told example
>UGH FUCKING SHILLS FUCK OFF REEEEEEE
Shut the fuck up user.

Is Brotherhood of Steel really that bad? I know it is made in the Snowblind engine and I'm a fan of Champions of Norrath...

>fallout 1 better than 2
>time limit
That's a YIKES from me, bros. I know you can do the stuff to get more time and you would really have to waste time to actually be affected by it, but it still just gave the game an overall lame feeling. It felt bad exploring extensively in an RPG that's made to be explored. It's a huge weakness of the game in my eyes.

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Its a shit example

Why would he just make that to remind everyone of what cannot be?

I enjoyed it more than 2. 2 is more of the same, which means it's great, but it doesn't do anything better. 1 is tighter and has a better story.

I also dislike time limits but you have more than enough time to do whatever you want, and Fallout 1 barely has much to explore anyway...

The time limit is so forgiving and you can even extend it by 100 days in the Hub.

>time limits
Yeah, that was just unnecessary but gave you so much time that you to be willing to lose time to get that bad end.
FO 2 had a "false" timer though which is almost just as bad.

I know he is an e-celeb but this guy gives a brief rundown on how shit it is
youtu.be/SlgeKjKFJkE?t=126
he starts ranting at 2:06

THREAD MUSIC

youtube.com/watch?&v=999RqGZatPs

>Is Brotherhood of Steel really that bad?
Yes, it's what killed the series until Bethesda outbid Troika for the IP.

mediocre cash grab

I have to thank Fallout NV for introducing me to this great singer
listen to this guy all the time
youtu.be/YLgqgh7qAbU

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It's shitty to play and the story/quests are extremely inconsistent in their depth. One quest can be solved in 20 different ways, the other can only be solved in one, which fools you into thinking that there's something you might be missing and delaying the quest completion.

Interplay was a sinking ship long before BoS, even if the game was 10/10 and sold well it would have been the last game.

This.
The only people who hate 2 get triggered by any real world or meta references.

criticizing New Vegas is fine but Fallout 1 and 2have way more awful gameplay flaws.
You can literally buy items and sell them back to merchants for a higher price with just 80 points in barter, and the final boss of 1 either needs to be beaten with dialogue or stealth, or the game literally needs to be glitched just to get around its infinite super mutant spawning bullshit

2 is objectively better in all ways except story telling. I like the first more just for that alone.

>final boss of 1 either needs to be beaten with dialogue or stealth, or the game literally needs to be glitched just to get around its infinite super mutant spawning bullshit
Way to out yourself as a pleb. The super mutant spawn isn't infinite, and you can definitely beat him through combat without any glitches.

You can beat The Master through combat.

>did Fallout actually peak where it all began?
Yep.

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Based.

No.

>pick X skill instead of Y
>it isn't used in the game at all
>just had to know that it's not a good skill
Good game design.

Git gud.

The first one is rather strange to play today. I really don't blame youngsters for not being into it. But the second one is god tier.

is low tier and shit tier mixed up?
I know Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 aren't great but BOS and 76 are literally garbage

>76 is garbag-

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can confirm, I hate fallout 2 because of the nonstop meta humor

Honestly user I tried to get through fallout 2 and I gave up around 4 times now because abysmal writing and stale memes everywhere. Just when I thought old fallout games were a meme I tried Fallout 1 and loved it. Played all the way to the end and enjoyed it way more. It just seemed to accomplish what I wanted without all the meme tier writing and tiring overworld travle

>god tier
fallout 1
>top tier
fallout 2
>mid tier
NV
>low tier
3,4, tactics
>shit tier
BOS, 76, mobiletrash

This is the fairest list

>actually wanting more time
nigga its 150 days
you cant fuck this up unless you travel a circle around the map several times

Not to mention you can get an extra hundred days at The Hub.

>player launches a second nuke
>server crashes

Literally not what he's talking about you fucking faggot. Actually read.

>Entire point of Fallout is pointing out the dangers of nuclear warfare and that humankind in their current state isn't ready for such a gift
>"Goddammit Bobby did you launch another nuke, that's the fifth one this week"

Bethesda never really 'got' Fallout.

>>Entire point of Fallout is pointing out the dangers of nuclear warfare and that humankind in their current state isn't ready for such a gift
Not trying to sound like some edgy tryhard here, but there's a lot more to it than that. The main points are (were?) de-glamorizing and de-mystifying the cold war, the "idyllic" '50s & '60s, the progress of technology, science, and society, showing human nature for what it is, and also what you said. In the first Fallout, the game really seemed to be trying to show violence for what it is, people for who they are, as well as trying to bludgeon past the concept of "they were just doing what they though was right" using the concept of duality as it's hammer. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, though.

Fallout Fixt allows for changing the amount of days.

I had fun playing co-op with my buddy years back. That’s the only praise I can say because alone it’s a loosely fallout as you can get

>like 20 yards away from a nuclear blast
>geiger counter doesn't even twitch

The classic Fallout games are hidden gems, they did not age well but that's because of technological limitations. When Fallout was Interplay's IP it was an entirely different concept so what you'll see in-game is essentially what Fallout should have always been a Post Nuclear (after the apocalypse) with satire and dark comedy RPG.

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>they did not age well
I played them for the first time this year and aside from the UI, they aged well. Just because they're not accessible to zoomers doesn't mean they aged poorly.

drive.google.com/open?id=1SzN9LitpFyWqjd0c3tSJim_3uByTqn0p

timedwatcher.blogspot.no/2018/12/fallout-1-sex-text-because-sexout-was.html

Opinions?

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NV above 1 is one of the most retarded things I've read today in Yea Forums

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Stop posting this cringy shit in every fallout thread.

The next best thing to a sequel to FO1/2 is this.

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>game had a pleb filter of a tutorial that still makes people angry today
based as shit, bless Fo2

>Fallout 2 retard runs are are an absolute blast.
>tfw no modern game have retard dialog anymore

Ahem.

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He said modern game

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>pleb filter
it's not hard, just annoying
you miss, ants miss, radscorpions miss, you either spend some points in unarmed or you'll spent lot of round missing
fo2 tutorial is objectively trash, they themself admitted rushing it in the game because of external pressures

I would say most modern games have retard dialogue, its just not intentional.

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New Vegas came out in 2010.

This guy is the real pleb filter. Most people will try to fight him (and fail), despite there being like 5 ways to get around him non-violently.

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Fuck off.

>savescums
heh, nothin personnel kid

Tbh even with 1 INT only a few of the dialogue options in NV get retardified, as opposed to every dialogue option in 2.

breddy gud. I like tactics better than three and four though. Plus I have more fun with 1 than 2, but that might just be nostalgia talking, since 1 was my first RPG.

Probably because NV has voice acting for every character, whereas 2 only has a few characters voices acted. Not logistically realistic to rewrite an entire game and have it be entirely voice acted.

I don't care what Yea Forums says, but the first Fallout is my favourite game of the series and probably my favourite of all time. Yes, it was jank as fuck and its design is antiquated even for the time, but I want immersion in my video games, and Fallout sucked me into its world like no other game before or since.

Fallout 2, on the other hand, did everything it could to spit me out of its world with its constant meta-humour and pop culture references. Even when it isn't breaking its own narrative, the world isn't believable - I don't know how people can accuse Fallout 3 of having a theme park design and then turn around and praise Fallout 2. Fallout 3's settlements were stupid but at least they felt like they could exist within a hundred miles of each other. New Reno, Broken Hills, and Modoc feel so separated not just be development but *tone* that they don't even feel like they belong in the same narrative, let alone close enough to politically impact each other.

Wait, you could die to him??

THE CHAD AVELLONE vs. THE VIRGIN SAWYER

Of course. Unless you have a lot of Strength or Unarmed, you're probably going to die to him.

>New Reno, Broken Hills, and Modoc feel so separated not just be development but *tone* that they don't even feel like they belong in the same narrative, let alone close enough to politically impact each other.
How so? All of those areas are contextualized pretty well within the game. You can learn a lot about New Reno just by visiting Vault City and Redding, for instance.

Have you played Fallout: Nevada?

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1>3>2>New Vegas>Tactics

Anybody who disagrees is a goddamn liar

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>Phoneposter
>Absolutely terrible opinion

It's a bad game, user. I like it, but it's a bad game. Turn-based mode allows for no real tactical depth, the interface does not allow you to make full use of real-time, and the gameplay in general is held together with staples and scotch tape. Let's not even get into the writing.

I still enjoy it, and I even think it's a bit above par for a tactical combat sim game, but that's only because the genre is swamped with Eastern European shovelware that doesn't work on any level. I can't bring myself to say it's an actual good game.

I used to like it more, but last time I played it I just could not get over how shit it feels to play. I don't know if I used to have lower standards or what, but I just really did not enjoy playing it, I still think its a good game, and its not like F1 and 2 feel that great to play either, but my opinion of New Vegas still declined quite a bit last time I decided to replay it.

The vault runs out of water in 150 days, which you can get an extension on. The original version of Fallout had another time limit of 250 days that you could only overcome by beating the game, but that was removed in the first patch (which the Steam version uses, obviously). Besides that, there's an engine limitation of 13 years, because after that some clock rolls over and things start going sideways.

The number of spawning super mutants is finite (and I think varies by difficulty level).

I just want to point out that the first two Fallouts have godly OSTs.
youtube.com/watch?v=3jxn1sqAQ-c
youtube.com/watch?v=TzMHvvBqVuY
youtube.com/watch?v=T8j_KgAgOnw

I seriously hope you're that one autist.

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>Not realizing that he's obviously referring to the time limit of how long you got until Super Mutants start literally killing everyone

>Most people will try to fight him (and fail)
The fuck? He's a pushover. You'd have to been gunning for a deliberately non-physical build to genuinely lose to him.

One thing Bethesda missed that led to them completely raping the corpse of Fallout is them ignoring the original tagline of "A Post-Nuclear Role Playing Game", notice "Post-Nuclear" and not "Post-Apocalyptic".
The Apocalypse isn't a main driving point of the series, just a backdrop to a society already recovered from the nukes.

Fallout 3 and 4, which take place hundreds of years after The Great War, look like the bombs dropped last weekend.

Fixt

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I dont think they missed anything, they just took whatever parts they thought would sell and put them toghethor without much of a thought.

That's my point
Nu-Fallout treats it as if they are currently living in or are just over an apocalyptic scenario when in Fallout 1 and 2 there are working trade routes, mines, governments, entertainment, etc.

Yeah, I was agreeing with you. Bethesda never really got Fallout. Fallout 1, which takes place only 60 years after The Great War, already shows trade routes and communities forming. To them it's basically just an aesthetic that has to have the Brotherhood of Steel™, super mutants™, and a Pip-Boy™.

Fully voiced dialogue is a plague to RPGs. Fallout 4 made it even worse with a voiced main character

>its constant meta-humour and pop culture references
Nigger, there were a couple of references every now and then. What a fucking faggot, holy shit. Also, not every joke is a reference to something you fucking inbred idiot.
>Fallout 3's settlements were stupid but at least they felt like they could exist within a hundred miles of each other. New Reno, Broken Hills, and Modoc feel so separated not just be development but *tone* that they don't even feel like they belong in the same narrative, let alone close enough to politically impact each other.
Except that it makes sense that each city feels so different from each other, because they are isolated of the rest of the world because of the dangerous desert between the human settlements. Did you not pay attention to the Master's plan or the MO of the Enclave.

2 is a much bigger game with way more to do in it, while 1 is a tighter, more polished experience. Fallout 2 also has a lighter tone that is in keeping with the grim humor of modern Fallout while Fallout 1 is deadly serious throughout. Overall I give the nod to 2, but I can understand why some people prefer 1.

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It's so fucking frustrating seeing shit like The Pitt and realizing they were so close to "getting" Fallout

I agree. It completely hinders the scope of the writing and makes the game less immersive. Just having select few characters be voice acted is more than enough, like Arch Dornan and Harold had really good voice acting performances.

They put the work into tying them together, but they just FEEL like they belong in the same game, and I realize that's a shitty explanation to anyone that doesn't feel the same way.

When you get to the Hub, and it's a city big enough to have a bank and actual "rich" and "poor" districts, it feels like it sells that difference between itself and Shady Sands or Junktown. That contrast is deliberate and it feels real. When you get to the Brotherhood of Steel and you see how differently they live from everyone else, that contrast feels deliberate and believable.

When you get to the New California Republic and see they have a nuclear power plant that no one thinks is a big deal, or get to Broken Hills and see the racial harmony that no one outside of Broken Hills seems to comment on, or get to San Francisco and see literally anything in San Fransisco, it just doesn't feel right to me. And yeah, they work for it, they provide explanations and it makes *logical* sense, but it just doesn't *click* in my head. I realize that's a personal thing and I don't expect you or anyone else to agree, but that's how I feel. Is there anyone else that feels the same way?

It has a lot of flaws but the sheer retardation of 3 and 4 make it seem much much better in comparison.

I've always wondered if NV would still be seen in the same light it is if 3 and 4 didn't exist. Don't get me wrong, it's one of the best RPGs of all time, but like you said it has a ton of issues that aren't present in a lot of other classics.

Shit taste desu

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I have to admit the 3 or 4 tracks Mark Morgan didn't plagiarize from contemporary ambient/IDM artists are fairly passable.

>Broken Hills
>Racial harmony
But one of the main quest lines for Broken Hills shows that they don't really all live together in harmony. Jacob has an entire plan to get rid of all the mutants and then you have the super mutants who want to frame a bunch of deaths on the humans.

I do agree with you about San Fran, though. The ending of Fallout 2 feels a bit rushed.

Legionfags btfo

It's common knowledge that Bethesda rushed them and as a result they had to cut a shit ton of Legion quests

I think the people who ended up liking 3 would be just confused and disinterested since the story isnt as straight forward and theres lore beyond "Bombs dropped and we use bottle caps as money for some reason" and every faction has clear flaws.

Based af

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Is this 2 weird??

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2>NV>1>3>4>76

Respectable

id change 3 for 4
while three still had some semblance of dungeon design without being just a skyrim copypaste it somehow had a shallower story than 4's ( yes 4's is worse but atleast there's the illusion of choice )

The people that rank 3 alongside 1 and then shit on 2 for being memey have to be nostalgiafagging falseflaggers whose first fallout was 3 and are trying to elevate it to 1's greatness by grouping them together. I see no other explanation for such a retarded opinion.

the lighting looks bad since it's literally over the image
i get what you tried to do but you know it looks bad how it turned out
looks at the lighting coming out of the motorcycle it's literally over the powder ganger

Fuck off Todd.

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>people that rank 3 alongside 1

I refuse to believe that has ever happened.

>tfw you enjoyed tactics

What would happen if you told the mr gutsy to do it before the dlc ?

They show up in these threads all the time, they go real hard on 2 for its Easter eggs and then proceed to praise 3 to high heaven because we all know how well grounded that game is.
>A town which has been inhabited by only kids for 200 years
>a town that worships the fucking tree ghoul bethesda-raped corpse of a character Harold that somehow made his way entirely across of North America despite turning into a tree and being an old decrepit ghoul that had settled down in Gecko with other ghouls prior
>A town that built itself around an unexploded nuclear bomb
>A guy that wants to blow up said nuclear bomb because the town is an eyesore to him (lol)
>Gary Gary Gary Gary xD
>Antbitch
>Aliens are canon and influenced world leaders for the nuke codes
>Super mutants are orcs
>[Intelligence] You fight the good fight with your voice on galaxy news radio?
>BoS lore rape

Fallout 2’s writing is god awful. The Enclave are the most cartoonishly evil villains in the series, it’s actually a god damn miracle that they are even written well in NV.
The humor is horrible too, the world feels more like a borderlands game than the hopeless fallout 1 world.

>hopeless fallout 1 world.
None of the original Fallouts are "hopeless" in any sort of way and if you think that you completely missed the point of the series

its so fucking retarded
>you're my slave and your supposed to lay down your life for me at any moment so go turn on the purifier
>hell no
>you're a robot with no emotions and are supposed to follow my every command
>hell no
>you told me yourself that you don't know how you could repay me for freeing you so please turn on the purifier
>hell no
he calls you a sissy and tells you to finish what your father started

>implying that the Master is a cartoon supervillian that has an army of Warhammer 40k orcs to do his bidding
>implying that the world of Fallout 1 is hopeless in any way

Way to make it obvious that you've never played or beaten Fallout 1 before.

Before 2 retconned it, the ending of 1 is one of the best endings to any game ever.

Fallout is literally about progress and is a post-post-apocalyptic game series. Fallout 1 takes place 90ish years after the bombs dropped and the good (canon) endings for it lead directly into Fallout 2 with Shady Sands and the NCR. Fallout 2 takes place 80 years after that. Shady Sands in 1 has farmers, wells, security, walls and most importantly NEWLY BUILT houses and in 2 has expanded into a full blown city over the course of 80 years.

Meanwhile in Bethesda land the east coast looks liked it got bombed yesterday and everywhere is a shithole with people living in broken ass houses that are missing half their walls, scrap metal shacks and drinking from puddles of dirty irradiated water.

>Before 2 retconned it
It wasn't retconned. The vault had a schism after the Overseer forced the Vault Dweller out and a few hundred people left to find him, they do, and then they go north and found Arroyo.

The master is trying to unite the post apocalyptic world. The Enclave are just as pointlessly selfish and evil in 2 as they are in 3.

>one of the only towns is built around a LIVE nuclear bomb
it's so stupid

What's the difference with the mac version?
This is also true

2 reveals that the Overseer was compliant with the Enclave's instructions of keeping Vault 13 as a test for having the vault open later than usual. Meaning that he was just following orders. I feel like it kind of undermines the ending.

Have you ever beaten FO1? The game ends right after your guy is exiled. It says nothing about a schism.

2 is a literal meme game. New Vegas ended up being 2 done right as the civilization rebuilding stage while 1 was a perfect post apocalyptic game

2 is God level, if you're using the restored content project

I mean, The Enclave do have a justification for what they're doing.

I forgot about that part.

>Have you ever beaten FO1? The game ends right after your guy is exiled. It says nothing about a schism.
Exactly, so how can it retcon something that happens after the fact? It's a sequel for a reason dingus.

>What's the difference with the mac version?
Nothing, just the first image I found on Mobygames.

>lives in an underground bunker with the goop from the Alien movies growing in it which has a nuke as a self-destruct system
>uses a religious group as a front just like a jRPG villain
>has a sadistic and loyal underling that sounds like a bad guy in a Disney movie supervising his plans
>kidnaps people to turn them into dumbass orcs

Yeah, what a complex character. Perhaps he needs a glowing sign that says "I AM VERY EVIL" to help spell out his deep motivations to you.

But he genuinely believes that super mutants are the future. If you tell him that they're sterile, he kills himself in shame as he realized that his goal of obtaining his ideals was flawed.

I love Fallout 3 and always will but jeez, when they put this way....

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It’s a wasteland. Dumbass orcs are going to survive and aren’t going to infight like humans would. It isn’t a terrible plan.

I played as Narg and beat his ass first try.

>NV above 1
Obsidianfags are really out of control

Update in a few days comrade

The only reason those super mutants were dumb is because the average wastelander has latent high levels of radiation and is already minimally exposed to an airborne version of FEV. Vault dwellers would be of regular or superior intelligence. The purer the strain of human, the better the super mutant will be. That's why Tabitha is calling all the second generation mutants dumb-dumbs, because they were cheap labor used by the Enclave to mine Mariposa before they mutated and rebelled.

With the mod kit released I'm honestly tempted to see about trying to make a Van Buren total conversion.

Based

Tangentially related, but is it ever explained how Richard Grey turned into The Master? He's clearly an anomaly amongst super mutants. I know there's the computer logs at the Marisopa base, but they just say that he fell in the vats if I recall.

>zany silly cartoon turns ultra-serious
this is why Bethesda Fallouts can't get it right. To them EVERYTHING is zany silly and NOTHING is ultra-serious. Wtf is Bethesda celebrating the apocalypse? Billions are dead. The original Fallouts keep that same dark grim tone IN SPITE of all the distracting cartoon and upbeat Pre-War propaganda. Even the Pre-War folks knew the world was going to end. They could see through the bullshit while government kept trying to keep everyone happy. If the citizens were truly clueless and retarded like in Fallout 3 and 4, there would be no riots no complaints of shortages, and no war, and no Fallout series.

But who cares? It's all over now. Bethesda makes money from these games. The second-generation Fallout fans don't know the original story.

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That comes at the expense of time in the second act of the game, and IIRC doesn't change how quickly the Necropolis ghouls get slaughtered (Or if it does change how quickly they get slaughtered, it makes them get slaughtered quicker).

Not entire sure myself, but it's clear he merged himself with other people he deemed intelligent enough to help go forward with his plan. Remember Harold was also exposed to FEV and turned into a ghoul, and the same thing happened to Talius in the Boneyard as well. After Grey's exposure to FEV he probably turned into a ghoul but figured out that if he dipped himself with other people their consciousnesses would be merged and turned into a goo. Who knows for sure.

There are a few anomalous super mutants. Harold's another one. If I had to guess, I'd say Grey got fucked because all the other super mutants got a specific dose for a specific amount of time, but Grey's exposure was random and uncontrolled.

Just checked the Wiki and apparently he was submersed for a month and then merged with computers from Marisopa. My next question is how the hell did he get from Marisopa to The Cathedral?

It didn't change anything to extend your first endgame timer and shorten your second endgame timer. As far as I know, all the settlement death dates were set in stone, and your actions in the Hub didn't affect any of them.

>My next question is how the hell did he get from Marisopa to The Cathedral?
It isn't shown in-game but the super mutants have cars powered by wood burning stoves. Yes those can exist.

1 and 2 are the only good Fallout games. New Vegas is entertaining, but it's nowhere close to being as good as the original two.

U right u right