Government regulating video games is a bad th-

see

I don't know about fortnite but overwatch has randomized loot boxes, which are banned regardless of if it includes any p2w

Overwatch has lootboxes
Fortnite is fine

Adult games means only AO games, not M

Good, I hope the government bans all videogames

Haha, yes, fuck those Jews. This better pass

>developers can just pull the games and no longer support them
>doesn't define what "pay to win" is so games are possibly not change anything but remove only the most obvious or obscure predatory games
>keep all the money they made
>doesn't stop them from putting them into adult oriented games
>also doesn't stop cosmetic services so many games will probably just devolve into a tf2 where meaningful content is scarce but game is constantly overloaded with costumes, skins and such.

Doesn't really do anything so I don't see why you'd want to give big brother government more power.

>>doesn't define what "pay to win"
read the fucking document

So, only free DLC or Expansions? How the fuck will that works nowadays?
I want that here, in OmeletteLand, just to kill all the FIFAtards.

I hope Trump bans viddeogames altogether already.

Internet companies have found various channels to sell prohibited things to kids. Twitch sells sex to them, video game companies run casinos catered to them. It's kind of bullshit.

Thank fuck.

Anything that hurts EA is good.

>we live in a timeline where a bunch of 80 year old legal experts are going to be paid to sit and argue whether a game is p2w or not

>ESRB was created to regulate the industry in lieu of government regulation
>ESRB is no longer doing it's job satisfactory
>Now the government is stepping in to regulate the industry despite the ESRB
Pottery

I don't like the vague language in this, they should define pay to win more clearly

Its covered in exceptions

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Here is the legal definition of pay-2-win taken from the judicial filings.

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>read "minor-oriented game" and immediately think it's a loli ban
I hate how fucking cynical and trigger happy this world has made me.

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>suddenly government regulation is good
I know Yea Forums isn't one person but Jesus Christ

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Lootboxes and microtransactions have always been cancer.

Ah okay that's better

This actually seems like beneficial, well-written legislation with a good grasp on the market it's trying to regulate
I'm shocked, frankly
Now if only we can stomp out Games as a Service in general
youtube.com/watch?v=tUAX0gnZ3Nw

glad I’m not American living in a nanny state

Governments regulating pay-2-win and gambling mechanics is a good thing. This is really not hard to understand. The only way it can be bad is if you're an AAA developer that is hungry to exploit children.

>suddenly
Yea Forums always supports whatever makes the perceived other side butthurt
and yes, it is one person, the >Yea Forums is one person fallacy is just what I use to btfo myself

The modern human is a vestige of what it once was. It only knows how to consume and requires external aid to prevent it from wasting its assets and forcing itself into an early grave.

Good job morons

This means we'll get less DLC and more yearly releases that have zero innovation

I fucking hate government why can't they just leave us alone.

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I'd outlaw all free to play games if I ran the goverment

I wouldn't consider exp boosts or items to save you time pay2win, that's more pay2convenience/gofaster.

Gambling's always been regulated
The way I see it this is just expanding preexisting regulation to keep up with an expanding market

Billy buys a 1000% XP boost item
Bob doesn't spend money

Billy and Bob met for PvP. Billy is 50 levels higher because he bought an XP boost. Billy wins the fight.

Would you say Billy won because he paid, or because of some other factor we're not considering? If Billy won because he paid, then the game is pay-2-win.

But i have fun in my gatcha

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>less DLC

Good. Maybe now devs will go back to finishing a game before its released instead of half-assing it and patching everything later.

I don't care.

Try actually reading them.
>the perceived value offered by such transaction, from the perspective of a reasonable user, is not that it-
>eases a user's progression through content otherwise available within the product without the purchase of such transaction
>assists a user in accomplishing an achievement within the product that can otherwise be accomplished without the purchase of such transaction

So hey, guess what? If your expansion to a single player game includes a superboss that drops an infinity+2 sword that players can take back and wreck shit in the base game, it's banned.

Billy could also have never actually used the XP boost item, and just gotten to that level naturally, while Bob is just a lazy cunt who started playing at the same time but then dropped off for a month after that first day or two.

>but we need lootboxes and pay to win mtx for innovation goy!

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I am okay with sacrificing your happiness to kill this cancer

What?

>Implying they're going to spend extra resources to fix a game that' isn't going to produce extra income

It's literally in their best interests to dump out games as soon as they are in a playable state and move on to work on the next game.

Retarded argument
>f2p in a subscription based game is limited to what content you can access
>billy pays the sub and enjoys high level content
>bob just kills boars 24/7 because he’s poor
>billy and bob meet for pvp
>billy wins because he was killing higher xp mobs
>durr game is p2w

>needing the government to step in because you can't spend your money responsibly

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You can't just introduce factors outside of the question. Try again.

>It's literally in their ou- I mean your best interests to dump out games with lootboxes and pay to win microtransactions!

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I can
others can't

I fucking hate reddit.
Just let people live their damn lives and spend their own damn money you cocksucking bootlickers.

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There isn't a person in the world who's support or lack thereof of a law is based around laws as a concept in general
People will support anything that benefits them

That's because you're splitting hairs.

Only fat americucks get mad at this because americans are corporate whores.

>I enjoy gatcha
No you don't, you are mentally ill
Seek help before your addiction degenerate in worse conditions
mentalhelp.net/articles/about-addiction-recovery/
You can start at looking at places like this.
You can get out

I'm calling Bob a lazy cunt who didn't put the time in to get those extra 50 levels.

Sure I can. Either way, If those 50 levels were locked behind a pay only level cap upgrade, then you'd have an argument, but if they aren't and are simply locked behind additional grind for the person who isn't paying, it's merely pay2convenience.

>needing the government to step in because you can't not fuck kids

Cry more kid, you're gonna have to actually git gud at the game instead of just maxing out your mom's credit card

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Based

Your tears sustain me

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The funny thing is high videogame budgets are the main cancer killing innovation in games.

EVERY top video game right now actually started as, or is indirectly derived from, a free mod.

Counter Strike Global Offensive - derived from Counter-Strike, Half Life mod
DOTA 2 - derived from DOTA, Warcraft mod
TF2 - derived from Team Fortress, Quake mod
Overwatch - heavily inspired by TF2 per dev team's admission
PUBG - derived from battle royale, ARMA mod
Fortnite Battle Royale - derived from battle royale, ARMA mod
Apex Legends - derived from battle royale, ARMA mod
League of Legends - derived from DOTA, Warcraft mod

Mods have been the creativity engine of the last ten years precisely because they have no budget, so there is no expectation that the game MUST have a safe, tepid design philosophy so as to ensure a return on some $300m development cost.

But developers are even trying to monetize mods now. The industry is really going to go down the toilet when that happens.

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The enemy of my enemy is my friend

There was no way Lootboxes would ever leave video games without something stepping in to kick these companies asses.

I mean, if you're annoyed at the gubmint wasting time on games, you can always participate and send a letter to your rep or something

ing.

Ok? It's still going to be a GaaS annualized bargain bin minimum viable product FPS that'll die after a year, followed by those SAME IW devs either quitting or getting fired:

•Color scheme will be dookie green, brown, and grey to contrast with Treyarch's clown scheme, this leads to poor visibility paired with washed out, low res textures.

•9-14 3 lane flat cookiecutter maps, Terminal as pre order bonus made free after a month.

•40-48 weapons on launch

•10-16 killstreaks, all of which we've seen in the series before, no EMP and no AUAV/SR71

•No new perks, dead silence will still be the same silent footsteps BS that its been since MW2 instead of adapting Fleet Footwork from Ironsight. DS won't have a direct counter.

•Specialist weapons and abilities will return (kill me if they do)

•$50 map pack DLC that trickles out every three months, you'll never get to play the maps though because very few will buy it

•Microtransactions out the ass, no challenge based camos aside from the typical "100 gorillion headshots, bloodthirsties, no attachments/no perks".

•No contract system on launch, will be patched in in summer of 2020.

•No leaderboards on launch, will be half assed to show percentiles just like Infinite Warfare.

•No league play or clan wars.

I have never spent money on a P2W micro in my life, but I sure as hell don't need a bunch of government goons telling me what I can and can't spend it on.

>both players are equally skilled and invest the same amount of time into the game
>player A buys thing. Player B doesn't
>Player A is at a competitive advantage against B
It's not hard to figure out.

Temporary pay-2-win is pay-2-win. If Billy has an unfair advantage for six months because he paid to skip the grind, he still has an unfair advantage. Are you retarded? I guarantee you genuinely spend money on pay-2-win shit in video games.

>needing the government to step in because you can’t not murder people

That's why I have an issue with anti-regulationfags. They only ever seem to exist when their party is having a down cycle. Kind of like anti-debtfags and anti-warfags if you need a liberal example. They only speak up when convenient. When it's inconvenient or actually hurts them personally, they tend to vanish or pretend they were always for [insert thing] even when it flies directly in the face of their loudly touted political bullshit, usually in discussions that didn't require crappy American political rhetoric to begin with.

I see. So it's not p2w if you can reach that goal by grinding for $0.10/hr, or until the heat death of the universe. That makes much more sense.

You cunt.
You trashcan minded fucko.

How come I don't see you posting this in anti piracy threads hmmmmmm??

Could it be government regulation is only bad to you when it hurts the profit margins of big companies?

Just don't buy the game you described lol
just vote with you wallet lmao

based

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>stupid ancap fag thinks the majority of humans can think for themselves
We need to kneecap Jewish corporations as often and aggressively as possible. It's half the reason we have such a shithole country right now.

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But I'm against this regulation.

children aren't even the one's whaling lootboxes

If anything this might just push devs who want to lootbox to just start making AO games

Just don't buy the tainted meat and untested prescription drugs
just vote with you wallet lmao

Voting with your wallet is impossible because normalfags are stupid.
And stupid people do not deserve free will because they will only use it to do stupid shit, like paying to gamble for videogame items, for example.

What? I didn't say regulation was bad. I implied Yea Forums is full of hypocritical children by employing shitty rhetorical tactics which numbers me among the children as well. Keep up, numbskull.

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>both players are equally skilled and invest the same amount of time into the game
>player A bough a pc capable of playing the game at 144fps, high resolution and a large screen
>player B plays the game at 16fps on his mom’s porn machine
>Player A is at a competitive advantage against B
Guess we should make all games run at minimum possible performance so those paypigs don’t have a competitive advantage over us real gamers.

These are not remotely the same things as buying cosmetics in a video game.

I'm actively mocking anti-regulationfags, user. Are you okay?

>Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen would be outlawed
People will defend this bullshit.

based retard

based

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>What? I didn't say regulation was bad
>>suddenly government regulation is good
>I know Yea Forums isn't one person but Jesus Christ

ok you hypocritical child

Dragon's Dogma is not aimed at children, user.

>you lived long enough to see Yea Forums turn into bootlickers

how times have changed

No because the bill focuses on the direct purchase of that infinity sword.

So, by this chart's logic, Splatoon 2 is P2W because the Octo Expansion gives you a new weapon, new playable characters, and new gear.

In what way?

because there are people so unbelibable dumb, so helplesly retarded that NEED the goverment to tell them what they should and shouldn't do. Otherwise their pea sided idiotic brain will make them gamble their and their kidsb money away on e-loteries.

you inbred redneck hillbilly niggers need to be round up and executed. just because it's from "the government" doesn't automatically make it bad. jesus christ your parents are failures
imagine veddit in 2019 actually arguing FOR lootboxes and pay-to-win. unironically and sincerely end your lives

Incoming influx of adult games
Based

Who are you even referring to?

I want to see EA and Actiblizzard burn to the ground over this.
Or at least go back to making bad video games instead of a pile of mtx disguised as a bad video game.

>merely pretending!
ok user

Where is that defined?

M17+ is not technically aimed at adults.

>b-b-but muh freedumz
After 80 years of complete, utter retardation, you still unironically think you deserve to be free?
It's a fact that civilians, when they try to protect "free will", they are just saying "I'm protecting my right be an absolute retard."
Why should this be allowed?
What makes freedom so good?

Half that list is reaching as fuck and equivalent to claiming every fps is indirectly derived from doom
What the fuck do fortnite br or apex have to do with the arma mod when the only similarity is them being one life massive deathmatches with shrinking arenas?

Correct

>ok you hypocritical child
yeah, I literally said that in my last post, user. Are you okay?

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haha yeah, all those retards that keep earning EA millions of dollars buying loot boxes in fifa sure are braindead.

>you've lived long enough to see Yea Forums defend p2w by calling people who hate it bootlickers

how times have changed

Ok you hypocritical child

shouldve been. charging full price again for that was horseshit.

>I hate regulations! - Yea Forums
>but now I like them! - Yea Forums
>be me
>make fun of these cretins
>HOW ARE YOU MAKING FUN OF THIS?!
>YOU'RE ANTI-REGULATION
>FAGGOT REDNECK NIGGERS

This is why I'm a radical centrist btw.

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>add-on transaction that can be purchased only once by a user
Re-read what you posted. It is talking about buying something that will make your time easier. An expansion pack adds additional challenge.

TICK TOCK GACHAKEKS

> fortnite
They dont have lootboxes.
Valve's csgo and dota on other hand...

Most of that budget inflation is due to the marketing and upper management getting bigger cuts.

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Based, fuck power creep

I was never against gubmint regulations in videogames.
Government is WAY superior than kikes and there is literally nothing you can tell me that would convince me otherwise you dumb EA loving jew.

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I don't care if gacha has to die to save the industry, it's a worthy sacrifice.

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So, there's basically no more incentive for devs to support their games through expansions?

>you can only be for all regulations or against all regulations

This is commonly known as a false dichotomy, which is why calling yourself a radical centrist is retarded

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They are Battle Royale games. Battle Royale was invented by a mod a few years ago. is this really hard to understand?

And an infinity+2 sword dropped by a DLC superboss technically makes non-dlc content easier, even if it's a greater challenge to obtain it. Putting it in violation of the bill.

thats because youre a stupid zoomer conditioned to eat shit. Kill yourself

Why do pay to win apologists always resort to mental gymnastics like this? An expansion pack isn't pay to win mtx stupid.

>Government decides that games shouldn't be built to try and nickle and dime you, especially because they are built to take advantage of people's gambling addictions
>UM I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA WITH MUH FREEDOMS
Nigger do you think the government doesn't regulate the shit out of normal gambling?

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all of the BUT WHY DO YOU NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO STOP YOU FROM SPENDING MONEY retards are always a riot

This chart calling national socialists right-wing is hilarious.

You can't buy those unlocks with cash.

No it wouldn't put it in violation of the bill because the bill specifically refers to you buying that Infinity+2 sword. That's why the language is worded the way it is.

Okay Yea Forumsermin,
we all can agree microtransactions on full price AAA titles are retarded right? The ONLY place where microtransactions are acceptable is in free to play shovelware and only with cosmetic stuff, right? Then explain me why am I seeing so many kikes defending the EA model on this board becouse I sure don't get it.

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>fascism isn't right wing

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>only affects amerilards
don’t care lol

Not with in-game cash, you can't.

Because they're kikes who don't agree that microtransactions are bad in any game. It's not that complicated.

Do you know that right and left mean? Nazism was anything but ideologically conservative, and it was anything but economically right. Do you genuinely think eugenics is conservative ideology, and socialism is right wing economics?

If they're completely fair, I don't give a shit. It's not like making additional content is free. The issue with microtransactions is when they're not fair. Too expensive, were cut from base game, etc.

wouldn't surprise me if they were actual paid shills trying to get people to support shitty lootboxes. either that or they buy into this garbage and don't want to feel like they were taken advantage of now.

See You’re all a bunch of dumbasses.

>The americanarket is for gatcha games one of the biggest markets
Your devs care lol

>you can't make lighthearted, unscientific observations that don't necessarily include shades of gray on my Yea Forums!

You fucking retard, not every funpost I make is some scientific dissertation that is based on debate guidelines.

"in game cash" is irrelevant. Pay to win specifically referes to real money transactions for advantages, not expansion content.

It's just the retards who fell for lootboxes/gachashit coping

Battle Royale is a fucking genre that existed long before ARMA

>Nazism was anything but ideologically reactionary, and it was anything but economically right.
>he still thinks nazis were socialist

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>the bill specifically refers to you buying that Infinity+2 sword
It literally doesn't. It's worded to include cancer like Nu-fire emblem's infinite gold/weapon/exp grinding DLCs, but it also covers anything that adds any sort of power creep.

The bill should've focused entirely on lootboxes and competitive multiplayer microtransactions. That part is going to make developers have to walk on eggshells such as prohibiting use of any DLC items/abilities/etc outside of DLC areas.

National socialism is a socialist ideology, yes. I don't think there is anything hard to understand here. Hitler wanted universal healthcare and even proposed a fund-based form of UBI.

Where do you live that isn't a nanny state?

>lighthearted, unscientific observations
That's a funny way of spelling fallacious bullshit spewed as a moderate position

>it also covers anything that adds any sort of power creep
But it doesn't because the bill is about BUYING IT DIRECTLY.

Why should I give up my enjoyment of the FREE games and free lootboxes I get at their expense?

Why should I care about these people at all?

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>were cut from base game, etc
The problem is that nowadays all DLC seem to be cut out from the game. If they ban microtransactions we can all expect even more garbage DLCs and even more barebone games. Or a crash of the industry

>National socialism is a socialist ideology
Just like North Korea is a democratic republic. Basically anything short of free market anarcho capitalism is socialist!

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Did I say or imply that I support P2W? You're complaining about my "mental gymnastics", yet you're the one jumping to conclusions.

It's pretty obvious when DLC is cut from base game as you can see traces of it. Take a look at Rising Storm 2 on how microtransactions are done fairly.

Do point out where the bill defines that, then. I'm waiting.

How did giant corps convince people they need to make $1mil+ a month in order to pay a few interns to make skins? Hows all that paying for new content going with overwatch?

Yes, my Carl Radditz was a hardcore declaration of my entire political viewpoint and it was very serious business.

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No matter how you try to twist it, national socialism is still socialism.

>Do point out where
You posted it, not my fault you're a literal brainlet incapable of understanding what you post.

Nazi is literally short for National SOCIALIST you fucking moron.

>american thinking the world revolves around them
my gacha isn’t even released outside Japan fatty

>Did I say or imply that I support P2W?
You implied it by falsely equating expansion packs with p2w. It's pure mental gymnastics on your part.

>I actually can't point out the definition so I'll resort to ad-hominems!

I mean
Overwatch cost like $30 at launch. In the past such a game would have cost $60 + inflation.

>hiding how big the company really is and how much money they have
>people not knowing how much you actually have to pay someone to make skins
>most people not knowing that you used to be able to get skins for free from modding sites
>convincing people that giving them money makes them good people because they're supporting them

>pay a few interns to make skins
interns don't make skins. interns make copies of paperwork, get coffee, do mundane tasks.
>convince people that they need to make $1mil a month
Where did they convince anyone of that?

>i can't pay2beafuckinidiot anymore
Oh god no

>In the past such a game would have cost $60 + inflation.

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Markets aren't perfect, market failures exist, and the invisible hand is a meme. Markets do not always create desirable outcomes and government can solve market failures through regulation, any lolbertarian denying this is an ideologue. That being said, there is no reason to believe that politicians and lawmakers would pass good laws that solve these problems in the first place. Because the costs of their policy are externalized on the rest of society, they have no incentive to make the right decision between regulating violence in games and regulating lootboxes in games. And because the wheels of the law turn slowly, they can't keep up with the rapid speed at which technology is changing, so even if they decide to tackle lootboxes, there is no reason to believe they will take the right approach when regulating them. Just look at the Netherlands' stance on lootboxes, games with lootboxes where you cannot trade lootbox items are perfectly fine, but games where you can are banned. So not only did they not effectively regulate lootboxes, they took away the consumer's only recourse in games that allow you to trade items you don't want for items you do want. So a strong case against regulation can be made, not because muh bree margret or muh invisible hand, but because of how incompetent the political market is.

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>what is a misnomer
The DPRK is literally short for DEMOCRATIC People's REPUBLIC of Korea

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>I actually can't point out the definition
I've already done so about six times in this very post chain.

Your logic doesn't account for what happens in practice.
>game has a level cap of 100
>both bob and billy are dedicated players and spend several hours in the game every single day
>billy spends money to reach the cap in 3 months
>bob plays for free and it would take him 6 months to reach it
>5 months after launch the game launch an update which adds more content and extends the cap to 150 is released
>billy, who has enjoyed dominating every competitive environment in the game for the past 2 months reaches the new cap again in just 3 months
>bob is still level 95 and had to deal with unbalanced competition both in PvE and PvP, which further widens the gap between free and paying players by allowing the latter to accrue more rare loot and gear
>by the time bob reaches level 150, billy would have had months to farm end game content and further the gap between them, and a new update would be released soon after
now replace character levels with item levels, gear enhancing or whatever depending on the game
this lets companies to convince brainlets that the game is fair when it's obviously rigged

Why lie? The PC digital-only version was $40 dollars at launch and every other standard version was $60

Then your gatcha is some no name shit game with low as fuck revenue and likely very short lifespan much like many KoreA MMOs that never get put of korea

legalizing piracy might do more to kill lootboxes than trying to regulate it, and it would also cut back on how much unnecessary control the government has.

Warcraft 3 had a launch price of $59.99

You can meme as much as you want, but the lootbox money makes up the rest. Without it your games will cost more, get used to it.

Agreed.

you absolutely are not enjoying it.
play real videogames.

>Nazi is literally short for National SOCIALIST you fucking moron.

tfw Yea Forums is more politically illiterate than /pol/

I don't know anything about any platform which isn't PC, sorry user, I don't mean to be disingenuous but I only remember paying $40 for it.

Look at any discussion of overwatch mtx. Lots of people say they are okay with them because "that money is used to improve the game" Somehow nublizz has convinced people that this is true.

>I was merely questioning the chart that the user,
By conflating Splatoon 2 expansion pack as P2W

It is, the government doesn't understand video games. It doesn't understand this other than "people are mad about it, so I can get votes if I regulate it."
remember when Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton tried this shit in the 90's? Here's what it looked like:
youtube.com/watch?v=lhwM3ZMTCR0&t=30m

>dude that super scope? that's an AK-47
THESE PEOPLE AREN'T ANY SMARTER, THEY'RE STILL POLITICIANS AND THEY'RE STILL THIS STUPID ABOUT IT

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I literally didn't. I was merely questioning the chart that the user posted, but feel free to assume whatever you want.

Oh, I thought you were referring to my example with Rising Storm 2.

All fucking gachafags must fucking hang

You said it was $30.

>the government doesn't understand video games
This guy clearly does.

>cosmetics
>p2w

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Yes you did

Well gosh I did, my mistake user sorry.

Which guy? The guy ranting that a little plastic bazooka is totally like the real thing maaaaaaaan

>So, by this chart's logic

What is "reading comprehension"?

Why don't you try it.

>they only put in the cash shop so you don't have to pay as much for the game itself!
that's hilarious. there are plenty of games that were cheaper to produce and much better quality.

some companies just look to maximize profits, you dip. they aren't all doing it to subsidize the base cost of the game. i doubt even a handful of them are doing that.

corp bootlickers on suicide watch

>Which guy
The guy pushing the bill.

>play winter map
>wear winter camo you got from a lootbox
>???

Stop deleting your post p2w apologist

>gamers: "reeeee loot boxes are bad i wish p2w was fucking banned forever"
>govt: "yeah we're going to do something about that"
>REEEEEE GOVORNMENT BAD
stupid fucking kids

wtf I love the government now!

I'm just fixing typos, idiot. Relax for a moment.

I really hate this argument, "slippery slope" applies to literally any legislation and implies that any government oversight is bad even when it doesn't change the game's content.

it's actually more insidious in that people that use this canard conflate business practices with content. not only can governments regulate the business practices of companies such as those that make and distribute video games, they do already. this is not a slippery slope to regulating content, which would get get them owned by the scotus (in the u.s. at least)

Sounds like they're going outside the scope of "banning underage gambling" by including all pay2win microtransactions instead of only randomized loot boxes. Might be trying too hard to make vidya great again. Perhaps mandatory classes in school on how to not be a dumb little faggot when playing video games to teach them not pay for cheat codes.

I can buy Mario Odyssey or Bayonetta2 for 60$ and get tons of ingame skins without microtransactions.
Stop defending ripoffs you goddamn kike.

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>i-it was a typo!
You've repeatedly deleted and posts and reposted after people have already responded to you, yet I'm the "idiot". Learn how to read.

The US is finally following the rest of the civilized world by regulating these jewish practices.

Easier to ban the cancerous p2w bullshit.

ing.

>and how it stifles innovation
>lootboxes are innovation
eat a dick

>Hope the wave of $80+ games creates some more pirates
ftfy

Well, I guess I did say you were free to believe whatever you want.

>Hope the wave of $80+ games creates some more libertarians.
Games are already 90+ dollars, where the fuck have you been living for the past 5 years?

>classes in school on how to not be a dumb little faggot
They have those already. You must have went to a christian school

>How it stifles innovation
Government regulations have actually brought about crazy innovation in vehicles.

That's what I would say if I had lost the argument.

fuck off jew

>I really hate this argument, "slippery slope" applies to literally any legislation and implies that any government oversight is bad even when it doesn't change the game's content.
Where's the slippery slope? You just named something I never brought up.
Government cannot regulate video games effectively because they do not have anyone who actually understands them in power. Most of them are actual boomers who are incapable of understanding anything more complex than arcade games from the 70's.

>Free market already fucking up gamers.
>Somehow regulations will make this worst.

Libertarian retard indeed.

>unironic lolberts
How about you graduate highschool first, kiddo

>getting rid of lootboxes and pay to win microtransactions will stifle innovation! games will cost $100 without pay to win bullshit trust me guise

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the article linked up there looks good. better than anything asshole shareholders and suits could come up with.
governments were also really good when they forced steam to implement refunds.

>ing
If you can't control your own fucking self, YOU have a problem. The government has no business regulating shit to protect fools from themselves. It will only lead to the government overstepping their bounds for their own gain.
>I do not like loot boxes/gambling
>Lots of people do not like loot boxes/gambling
>We all agree to stop
>Devs lose money, OY VEY!
>No more loot boxes
It's that fucking simple. If you want something to go away, QUIT BUYING IT.

Its incredible how shameless these kikes are.

>Where's the slippery slope? You just named something I never brought up.
>[YouTube] Violence In Video Games - Highlights of the American Senate Committee Hearings in 1993 (embed)

Government already regulates video game businesses, you're conflating the sale of lootboxes with the censorship of content.

That would've implied you were actually arguing instead of just throwing shade.

So what's preventing devs from selling two version of the game? A base game with basic features while another more expensive version/'expansion pack' with all the extra?

>Hey kike stop being a fuking jew
(they) can't help it annon

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If you don't like this regulation, blame EA. There's a lot of overlap between retards who buy microtransactions and retards who gamble. But when you try to mix them in with normal gamers people get pissed off.
Should have made a Star Wars Ultimate Team mode but that golden goose is dead now lol.

>It's that fucking simple. If you want something to go away, QUIT BUYING IT.
It isn't that fucking simple, you drooling ape. The people buying lootboxes aren't the ones demanding regulations against them.

>$80 games
Guess what, now we can effectively vote with my wallet since whales are out of the equation. Good

>Stupid Anons: "vote with ur wallet hurr"
>Whales: "time to drop another grand into my waifu skinnerbox simulator this week!"

>games will cost $100 without pay to win bullshit trust me guise

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>I want FIFA and CoD style cycles for every franchise and series!

>>We all agree to stop
>We all

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Give me something else worthwhile to spend a grand on then.

>I have no idea how the lootbox buisness works: the post

>a few people spend a ridiculous amount of money on lootboxes, more than making up for multiple people
And here's why voting with your wallet doesn't work in games with mtx

A real hobby instead of a shallow money burner.

Why does anyone care if other people play games not aimed at them.
Why does anyone care about anyone but themselves.

>Government already regulates video game businesses
No, they do not. You're confused.
The ESRB is a private institution created to avoid regulation from the retarded government. The only governments that regulate it also do retarded shit like banning Doom and GTA.

ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games_in_Australia.html

You cannot say the government is better at regulating video games than video game industry is when the industry allows any consumer to play any game they want (california excluded) while governments around the world ban shit for arbitrary reasons because they have a minimal understanding of how it works.

>FIFA and COD
You mean those games notorious for lootboxes. FIFA literally introduced the concept of randomized microtransactions in $60 games with Ultimate Team nearly a decade ago.

The ESRB needs to put "Microtransactions" on their labels.

Literally just dump it in Crypto unironically. BTC fell to almost sub 3k earlier this year and right now is around 8k.

This user is completely correct.

Here's a question for you intellectuals. Would lootboxes and gachatrash even exist without intellectual property laws the government passes? Without a monopoly on IPs companies would actually have to compete instead of releasing glorified slot machines. Look at the biggest offenders of lootboxes and gacha, shit like Battlefront 2, Shadow of War, Fate/Grand Order, Dokkan Battle, etc. What do they all have in common? They're attached to IPs or brands that people like.

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Good.
I can't wait for this law to pass and all the whales and their kike drug dealers end up killing themselves.
Everybody wins!

if your IQ was above 50 you'd understand why.

You're the one who is confused. We're not talking about censoring video game CONTENT. The BUSINESS PRACTICES of these companies are already regulated. And you lost all pretense of pretending you weren't making a slippery slope argument between lootbox regulation and government censorship.

Anything but fucking jpegs of anime girls.
You can collect fucking cute girl images on the internet already for fucks sake. Nobody cares about your idol harem other than you.
Buy like a fucking gazillion games from a key site or Steam sales. Buy some (tangible) anime merch like figures or manga.
Fucking ANYTHING else is better than gacha.

>Oh boy, it's pay day!
>Time to drop another 200 dollars/euros on fifa!

I mean, you're complaining that 2-5% of the total player base is spending enough to cover the remaining 95%. Why are you suddenly caring about those 5% even though they're the reason why you get to play your game in the first place?

So your argument is that we should get rid of intellectual property laws? Cause I would be on board for that.

That user was completely retarded and wrong btw.

Because shitty business practices bleed into other games you dolt. Because devs and marketers think they can get away with it.
"Oh hey, free game A on mobile is making bucks with selling mircotransactions, lets try it on $60 game B on console/PC too!"

>Would lootboxes and gachatrash even exist without intellectual property laws the government passes?
yes.

Then don't buy it.

Rip 90% of MMOs around.

See
You fucking ingrate moron.

>We are obligated to save people from themselves! Indeed, while we do not indulge in this cancerous behavior ourselves, we cannot help but continue whining about it on Filipino coral fishing forums! The only option to combat behavior that doesn't effect me in the slightest is more government privilege!

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>monopoly on IPs
This is not a thing. And of course lootboxes and shit would still exist.

>even though they're the reason why you get to play your game in the first place?
You know it's mostly used to increase profits for the companies, right? It's not a subsidy. These microtransactions usually just make for shitty games anyway because the whales want to feel more powerful than everyone else because of what they're spending.

>So your argument is that we should get rid of intellectual property laws?
Yes. He is right though, the government stifles creativity and innovation by granting monopolies to corporations.

Good. Fuck those greedy, predatory bastards.

Literally not an argument.

Then don't play that game?

>government plz pay for my MTF hormone therapy and gender reassignment operation!!!
Kill yourself.

Voting with your wallet works for games without mtx/lootboxes, as everyone can spend equally. Doesn't work when someone can spend $600 and effectively vote 10 times

It's their money. Why the hell do you get to say how other people get to spend it?

Except intellectual properties literally promote creativity and innovation. You need to be creative and innovative to stand out.

because it impacts me and others.
duh.

I can agree with that. I doubt most of the fags defending lootboxes with "MUH GOVERNMENT REGULATION" would though.

What? Why did you (You) me with that?
Just don't buy games with mtx/lootboxes, there are plenty of games for you.

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Because it is impacting other people
>"It's my car, why do you get to say how fast I can drive it!"

>that doesn't effect me in the slightest
fuck off jew

It's literally illegal for me to make a Star Wars game and distribute it for profit, giving the IP holder an effective monopoly over Star Wars games. This is why they can get away with making shitty skinnerbox games. Even games not attached to preexisting IPs like Overwatch or PUBG are protected by IP, because I can't just copy the game and remove the lootbox systems and release it for money.

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yes, chinese bootlegs of known IPs are peak innovation.

>if i randomly post about trannies on Yea Forums i don't have to confront my own mental illness

Just don't eat at restaurants that serve tainted meat. There are plenty of other restaurants for you.

Those are completely unrelated issues and a pathetic attempt at derailing.

Ok, and what about the people who spend extreme amounts of money on those games? Who more than make up for my "no" vote with my wallet?

SEETHING gacha insect bugmen are kill.
Get fucked and eat shit.

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>because the whales want to feel more powerful than everyone else because of what they're spending.
Whales have been doing that way before companies did it what with the gold farmers and buying other player's accounts.

>It's literally illegal for me to make a Star Wars game and distribute it for profit
Okay? Who gives a shit? Make Star Battles with Dobi Wan Jenobi and make profit off that instead.
>This is why they can get away with
A company owning an IP has nothing to do with lootboxes. Don't be a retarded chimp.

Nice on paper, doesn't work in practice. Read a book.

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You are the kind of cancer we really need to get rid of.

It's one thing to be a mindless drone who supports gatcha and pay2win because they think they're supposed to. It's another to be willingly doing it because they 'enjoy it' and want new art of their waifu

>Doesn't work in practice
What did he mean by this?

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you are the enemy. I hope you understand that you make things worse for everybody else.

If you can't make a game that doesn't rely on selling lootboxes or pay to win microtransactions it shouldn't exist in the first place. Neither of these are necessary or beneficial for good games.

>Help! I'm stupid enough to play pay to win games! Or maybe I just can't fucking control myself and stick to a manageable budget! Save me, big government!
Ever consider that maybe the problem... is you?

>food analogy
Then those games will be made for them and different games for you?
There are still plenty of mtx-less games.

Mario Odyssey
Factorio
Rimworld
Zelda
Splatoon
Slay the Spire

To name just a few I have played recently.

yeah and those games are shitty too. i don't even bother playing any multiplayer games now that force you to grind for currency/items or give any benefit of selling an account. my two favorite multiplayer games don't even have a cash shop and they're both 100% free.

>Tackling the core issue of why lootboxes even exist in the first place is unrelated and derailing
Fuck off bootlicker.

>A company owning an IP has nothing to do with lootboxes.
If they did not have a monopoly on the IP, competitors could make games using that IP, forcing them to actually compete and make good games.

So, EA and Valve uncontrollably and with no accountability praying on children and the mentally ill should be allowed because???
How can anyone look at this law and say that it's a bad thing?
Either make games complete again or get the fuck out of my face, i can't wait for cancer like MK and Injustice to get shut down.

>whales turn every game into p2w garbage
>just dont play them :^)
fuck off kike

>Tries to ban lootboxes
>Accidentally kills expansion packs as a whole

This would make WoW's power creep illegal

the fact that I can make a random person on Yea Forums seethe only encourages me to spend more money on it

its not the core issue and you are mentally ill.

>forcing them to actually compete and make good games
Nigger what makes you think the other people would be making better games? You're presuming that theirs isn't the best one already, isn't the most marketed. And it would STILL have the fucking lootboxes you goddamn clown.

It's still a valid analogy. Replace tainted meat and restaurants with prescription drugs and pharmaceutical companies if you want.

"Don't like it, don't buy it" isn't a valid defense for shitty business practices.

ignoring how retarded that is, soon enough you wont be able to do that anyways lmao.

It is the core issue. Almost every problem plaguing the games industry could be solved by eliminating intellectual property and letting in competition.

until this bill passes lmao
its got bipartisan support too

a worthy sacrifice

China.

>needing the government to step in because you can't control everyone to not murder people
See how dumb you sound?

>fad like MOBAs and survival shooters become big so everybody uses their IPs to make games in that genre
>remove IP copyright
>suddenly you have infinite star wars mobas and survival games
>all of them still have lootboxes because they are profitable
yeah thats the solution

>It's literally illegal for me to make a Star Wars game and distribute it for profit, giving the IP holder an effective monopoly over Star Wars games.
it probably shouldn't be, considering copyrights were originally 28 years max and star wars came out over 40 years ago. the situation is fucked.

If gamers truly hate lootboxes enough to have them regulated, then why would they play a version of the game with lootboxes instead of a version without lootboxes?

God I hope this bill passes. Gachafags and p2wers are mentally deranged.

ShenZhen is one of the most innovative technology incubators in the world because they have low IP protections.

We're not trying to save idiots from themselves, we want devs to stop pushing this shit into every fucking game these days. Lootboxes and shit are literally anti-consumer, and you're okay with content being cut so you can try gamble for it? Fuck you.

Did you know Timesplitters has over 100 unlockable characters? And most fighting games had unlockable costumes? Well guess what, it's all DLC now because people like you throw your arms up in the air and go "hurr doesn't effect me game!".

It bleeds into the games and sequels I actually like gameplay wise, shitter.
Bad business practices shouldn't be enabled, it's only come to government intervention now because too many gamers just love to suck on company cock and are too stupid to care. "Muh gacha jaypegs! Muh shiny hundred dollar knife! Muh thanos skin!" All enabled because zoomer brainlets like to play the slot machines just as much as their dying boomer grandparents do at the casino. Only at least they have a .01% chance of winning actual currency instead of pixels that will be taken away once the game gets shut down later anyway.

Did you purposely ignore the first half of my post?

lol

I'm glad for this bill actually

It's showing me the kind of mindset that it takes to actively, seriously, willingly want pay2win and lootboxes in their game. These people legitimately do not know a time before this when you had to actually have a complete game.

Kill yourself.

WoWs expansion design was always a mistake and bad design.
On top of that you shouldnt have to pay for expansions when you already pay for a sub. If I bought vanilla WoW for 60 dollars and subbed for five months I should get twice the content overall, not pay monthly fee PLUS expansion price.

Which doesn't change the fact that you're going after the company when they're doing it but not when it's the player themselves. Why don't you start regulating the people themselves if you really want to make sure no one can p2w in any form, which includes the secondary market.

I agree we should abolish all underage gambling laws and safety regulations.

Shenzhen's only innovation is shitting out cheap shit copies of literally everything that breaks within a week. There's a reason why we call their products "Chink Shit".

I mean, I don't want it, so I don't buy games with it.
That doesn't seem like a hard thing to do. Why do zoomers have such a hard time not playing things with stuff they disagree with?

>There are literally NO games that aren't pay to play. None.
>ONLY THE BEST GAMES ARE P2W ARRAUFHFHGH
>That user, who is encouraging me NOT to spend my money on p2w games, to NOT spend my money unwisely, is a Jew
Seek help go- I mean retard.

It's more like they're stopping people in suits exploiting somebody's weakness to make barrels of cash, because it's a scummy move.

yes, just avoid huge chunks of the market when that wasnt necessary in the past.
thats the solution and clearly better than just getting rid of the cancer.

Because abstinence doesn't actually solve the issue of why it's bad.

Also if you don't play those games then why would you care if they get fucked over by regulations? You're not playing them

Its going to pass, and there is nothing you can do about it.

Are you fucking retarded? This isn't a "HAHA, I'M MAKING Yea Forums SEETHE" situation. Seriously, are you underage?

Who said they have to be better at making games? Without IP laws I could just take Battlefront 2, strip out the lootbox system, rebalance the game, and release it. It wouldn't matter if Battlefront 2 was the "best one already" and the "most marketed"

>Why don't you start regulating the people themselves
I'd rather see piracy legalized because I think that would do more to get people to stop paying for lootboxes and other garbage when they have free access to better games that don't utilize that shit. Regulating these shitty lootboxes and microtransactions is better than letting it go unchecked because that obviously hasn't worked, but I'm not pushing it as the ideal solution either.

because its easier to regulate companies.
players of online games also pressure companies to go after RMT which forced their hand in many cases.

And that's why nobody will play your cheap shit trash and Battlefront 2(EA) will continue having lootboxes.

this does nothing for shit like overwatch or path of exile which are purely cosmetics

Because no reasonable person would assume the company shouldn't be held responsible because they're somehow equally responsible for the secondary market.

They probably don't think lootboxes and gatcha are 'gampbling'

>people just steal games and start undercutting them with minor changes
>companies stop making games because of that
>no games to copy anymore
thats the solution. way better than just outlawing lootboxes.

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They are mentally disturbed. They have spent over a decade with microtransactions in games that they cannot comprehend a gaming experience without it

>Lootboxes and shit are literally anti-consumer, and you're okay with content being cut so you can try gamble for it? Fuck you.
I can't remember the last time I played a game where content was confirmed to be cut for gambling. Then again, I avoid playing games with anti-consumer tactics because, well, why wouldn't you?
>Timesplitters blah blah blah
I didn't know that, because I don't play it. Sucks to be the playerbase I guess. Are the unlockable characters required? Are you barred from completing the game without them? What if you just completed the game with the free stuff? Like this post if I helped.
>People like you
People like me aren't stupid enough to play these kind of games. I don't support this kind of business model so no, it doesn't effect me. Again, no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to make poor decisions.

Look at Injustice 2 and Overwatch.
The randomize box system is total bullshit as a concept. You’re literally hoping some shit algorithm gives you what you want, and these can only be obtained by wasting hours at a time to finally get one unless they have a “special”.

But of course you can buy them...

It’s horse shit, people fall for it because it’s there as a system. There’s nothing worthwhile in it but it is imposed on you.
Now if you do have enough common sense you won’t participate and criticize the dev and only through press(ure) do they make adjustments (MK 11)

ITT

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>Nobody will play your cheap trash
All the people who like battlefront 2 and hate lootboxes will play my version. EA can keep their lootboxes and continue bleeding money.

>/pol/kikes: fuck govt regulation
>also /pol/kikes: oh fuck me harder daddy govt

Doesn't fucking matter. If you're arguing that lootboxes and such should be banned because it's p2w, then in-game trading for real currency is the same. Either ban all forms of in-game trading to prevent this from happening, or make sure the game is AO only when you do allow in-game trading. Don't just only go after EA and such when player to player p2w has been a plague long before, and still are..

Okay but what was wrong with Overwatch lootboxes? I know it's a meme but they really were purely cosmetic. They offer 0 benefit to the gameplay experience at all.

>Everyone will play my version
Citation required.

what the fuck does throwing shade mean?

Fucking americans, so backwards, PEGI has a much better and simpler system

People like me aren't stupid enough to play these kind of games. I don't support this kind of business model so no, it doesn't effect me. Again, no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to make poor decisions.

I should be allowed to sell this game.

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That's just stupid. That's like saying building companies should be held accountable if the secondary market drives up housing prices.

Why my fine fellow of african descent, you are doing nothing more than verbally conveying words in a garbage manner.

Explain why the music industry exists when literally everyone just pirates music for free on websites that violate IP and "steal" music and release them for free. You're retarded if you believe the videogame industry would just disappear.

>I don't care, it doesn't effect me, thus it's okay!
Then get out of this thread. Why defend something shit if it doesn't effect you?
The shit business model has the potential to be killed, so why go against it?

>It's that fucking simple. If you want something to go away, QUIT BUYING IT.
Okay, I don't think you comprehend the whole "we can't control what other retarded people do" part

>why the music industry exists
Actually the music industry is tanking hard.

Reread my post again retard.

Gatcha is just fucking slot machines idiot. They are aimed at everybody, just with different skins

That assumes building companies have no control over and is actively trying to stamp out the secondary market of housing prices. Selling gold and items on the secondary market is literally against the TOS of these games. Your comparison is silly.

the music industry is shitting itself. rappers used to have yachts in their videos now they have to film in their hoods again like in the early 90s.

>Calling anyone a retard when he thinks that he'll become a billionaire over night and have the world playing his stolen game

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Because instead of focusing on expanding on gameplay additions they'd focus on lootbox additions, because ya know, it actually makes money.
Real content for OW came out at a snails pace (with variable quality but that's besides the point), plus they made limited time maps and events solely due to lootbox mania.

Are people seriously trying to argue the "Vote with your wallet" defense for something that is literally overrun with whales? Do you not see how that's kind of stupid?

No it's not, a greater amount of revenue is just shifting towards streaming and digital music and away from physical media.

Jesus you centrists are all faggots and must fucking hang asap

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How do people benefit in any way from not allowing them to just buy those cosmetic items directly instead of dealing with randomized lootboxes?

Do you complain Otome games exist because you aren't a girl?
Do you complain Lolige games exist because you aren't a lolicon?
Do you complain Kids games exist because you aren't a child?
Do you complain Simulator games exist because you aren't a German?

No?

Then why are you complaining that Gatcha games exist because you aren't a retard?

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>shifting towards streaming and digital music
That money is going to spotify and itunes, not the artists. There's A LOT of bitching about how the streaming services are giving jack shit to the musicians.

meant for

I haven't played Injustice 2 but don't the lootboxes increase stats and the like? Overwatch's are solely cosmetic and voice stuff

I do not complain about Gatcha, I complain about Gatcha being in my game when I did not ask for it.

Except not all forms of in game trading is RMT. If companies were charging you a real money tax for every trade you make you might have had an argument.

NO U. How am I defending it? How can you possibly come away from that after reading what I have written? It's not my FAULT that people are too stupid to spend responsibly. If you fuck your wallet because you're irresponsible, you get what you deserve. I've done it plenty of times on shit like movies and memorabilia. The only thing I am against is more and more government privilege. Why is the government obligated to protect idiots from themselves? Should we have government regulation on sugar intake? Should we have government regulation on television viewing hours? What if, like, what if people could police themselves and accept responsibility for their actions when they fucked up? Fucking bonkers mate.

abyss magic

it's not like developers themselves haven't completely stopped making expansion packs

This is your defense for pay to win microtransactions?

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>oh no they're making millions and not billions
The fact is they will still exist and they will still make music because there is demand for it, with or without IP law.

Okay, I don't think you comprehend that we don't need to. Let idiots destroy themselves, we are under no obligation to protect people from themselves. This is why niggers are addicted to gibs.

>Then why are you complaining that Gatcha games exist because you aren't a retard?
Because those other things you mentioned do not affect the entire video game industry as a whole. They only work in their own niche. Gatcha is literally everywhere, even in those games you mentioned

the fact is that they are way worse off than before.
great solution.

Is this seriously the best you could do?

I don't complain about those games because their existence doesn't normalize p2w lootboxes in the rest of the industry. The only reason you would defend kids not being able to spend money on Gatcha games is if you are retarded.

I think I know why people like you defend this shit now.
You're one of (((them)))

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That’s bad how?

So you just gave up all arguments, okay.

>Okay, I don't think you comprehend that we don't need to. Let idiots destroy themselves
Well while the idiots are destroying themselves, I'm seeing p2w and lootboxes in my games that I don't need or want and see spreading to every fucking aspect of this industry, so how about we just have them gone for good?

This isn't a "fuck the normalfags" situation dumbass

Monopolies have more power than the government, which is not okay. It's the government's job to reign in shit like this, yes.

>How am I defending it?
>Don't like it don't buy it, it doiesn't affect you!

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lol, at the luckets FURIOUS at this post.

why cant I buy them at a decent price (1$ per skin at most?)?
why cant I unlock them like in older games?
why cant I use my own skins like in older games?
the value is shit. I used to get cosmetics for free and now I dont. gameplay doesnt even matter in this regard, I'm still getting an inferior game.

>im only 12 years old and i wasnt alive back when video games were sold as complete fully moddable experiences that allowed for private servers and all kinds of bells and whistles that you only think is possible in games like skyrim

I think my favorite thing about tribes 2 were the crazy private servers with special server mods. Uo private shards were also way more fun than any of the current 'triple a' mmorpgs that charge you 10$ for fucking item dyes and 50$ for costumes. hey remember all those custom maps from team fortress 2 where as in ogrewatch you gotta play the same boring shit and then get your60$ stolen when you tell someone to stop being shit at the game?

They're worse off because they're not receiving ill-gotten money anymore from IP and because of how easy the internet made it to listen to their music. Do you not know how supply and demand works?

>ARRRGH! LOOT BOXES ARE IN MY GAMES SO I MUST BUY THEM!
The irony of you calling ME a dumbass is not lost on me. NO ONE IS FOCRING YOU TO BUY THEM. Is that not clear enough for you? Here's a bonus tip for being a subscriber: no one is forcing you to play p2w games either.
>every fucking aspect of this industry
NANI?

>mfw reading this thread and realizing there are actually people who are mad about potentially not having lootboxes and gatcha

You know what, fuck all ya'll. I thought we had an understanding when all the live service crap was getting fucked but now I see you just want your addictions tended to.

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>I'm only 12 years old
Turn off your projector. And that shit is going on today: See Rising Storm 2.

>If you fuck your wallet because you're irresponsible, you get what you deserve
Society disagrees.

Your shitty caveat emptor doesn't fly off of Yea Forums. Consumer protection laws exist for a reason. And no, its not because everybody but you is retarded for buying things and getting fucked over.

>ill-gotten money
lmao

>(((innovation)))
How's the weather in Tel-Aviv?

>False equivalency fallacy: the post

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>NO ONE IS FOCRING YOU TO BUY THEM
And I am not. Most people here I'd say aren't

>Here's a bonus tip for being a subscriber: no one is forcing you to play p2w games either.
That's not stopping the industry from trying to force it in everywhere

>Yea Forums is so contrarion because of /pol/ they support this shit

love it.

Read the entire reply chain before posting. He said there won't be any games anymore without IP , and now he's backpedalling.

Games as a service is fraud.
Stop killing games.

>I don't know what a false equivalency is: the post

Imagine being this contrarian

"I hate lootboxes and p2w! Oh wait, someone is actually doing something to get rid of it? And people are happy about it? Oh hell no, I love lootboxes now"

Society is turning in to a nanny state. Maybe, just maybe, instead of holding people by the hand and making sure they don't ruin their lives, we can educate them on how NOT TO BE STUPID. Whoa.

Think long term. It sets a dangerous precedent that people who dont play games can use the government to remove things they don't like.

The industry should be self regulated through consumer action. You should be mad at retards and whales for spending money on it, not the companies behind it. Vote with your dollar.

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v o t e w i t h u r w a l l e t b r u h

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yes just press the magical education button. way easier than just getting rid of the cancer.

>reddit spacing
it's showing you what a fucking retard you are
go back

muh precedent is not an argument.

>>ARRRGH! LOOT BOXES ARE IN MY GAMES SO I MUST BUY THEM!
That's not what he said dumbass.

Removing literal gambling, something the government has always regulated in the first place, is no change to anything at all.

>You should be mad at retards and whales for spending money on it
I already am. What exactly is me being mad about it supposed to change?

>not the companies behind it.
Oh okay, you're a shill, fuck off.

Surely you don't believe this right

>implying education isn't compromised
>implying you can educate the stubborn
>implying people will let you try to educate people to spend less and go against the agenda

Regulating shitty business practices != censorship, lootboxes/gachashit/p2wshit aren't creative mediums, stop defending them.

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>we can educate them on how NOT TO BE STUPID.
Whoa, yeah good idea. One question though, uh, how do you do that?

OK I will do my best to avoid big words but if you're still confused about this, please don't hesitate to put a gun in your mouth:
>defending expanded government privilege =/= encouraging people not to consume product that they don't like
I am pretty sure a 5 year old can see how those are different things. Ask you mother if you need more help.

I do believe that.
Extreme crying about slippery slopes and precedents is only used to defend kike corporations.

>just vote with your wallet

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You're right, let's press the magical expand government control and authority button instead. Thankfully they are here to make sure we never have to learn from our mistakes! :D

To everyone bitching about government overreach, I guarantee there are dozens of government regulations that you'd cry like a bitch over if they were removed.

Why do people keep saying "Vote with your wallet"? This isn't Battlefield V where there's only one audience

there is nothing wrong with loot boxes that offer only cosmetics, especially when any/all items contained in the lootbox can be bought with in game currency.

English common law is literally based off of established precedent

>implying government isn't compromised
>implying expanding government authority over idiots is a good thing
>implying learning from our mistakes is bad and we should instead jut have more laws lol

...

Why should a governing body determine what you as a consumer can and can't buy? Do you really think libtards and repubcucks on capital hill really know whats best for your zoomie hobby?

they fund creative mediums. There are retards who think that the depiction of women in games are as equally as harmful to society as lootboxes, they are on the same plane of discussion, regardless of your feelings on either.

Everything that harms the mainstream (American) gaming industry is good. Please burn it down, stupid American government.

Why didnt you just say that you're some libertarian pedophile at the start

This is a very simplistic and naive way of looking at things. First, it assumes that the people in charge are rational actors. While some 30 year old economics text book would have you believe that people in the market are rational actors, this is very far from the truth. They are prone to all kinds of cognitive biases. The relevant one here is sunk cost fallacy. When you've spent that much time, money and effort creating origin, it feels extremely wasteful just to abandon it. Any form of consumer protection doesn't turn society into a "nanny state" even if 90% of the market was rational it doesn't matter when lootboxes only need less than a percentage of stupid people buying to make them viable.

and thats fine. there should be laws against exploitation.

You may not care now because these other people are absolute strangers. But once it happens to someone close to you...your mother, your friend, your uncle, you'll start caring

"Muh gubbament is evil!"
>proceeds to suck the dick of wealthier corporations instead

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That's a great idea user. Let me just go up to the nearest whale and tell him to stop buying jewels for his waifu.

I mean, he's so far gone, he's spending thousands of dollars on jewels but I'm sure my words will convince him to stop

So lets get rid of mandatory drug testing, let people learn from their mistakes when people get sick and die the market will regulate itself! Or is the existence of the FDA also a magical expand government control and authority button

>b-b-buh false equivalncy!
Government privilege doesn't suddenly become not government privilege when it inconveniences your argument.

Imagine being ancap and thinking any regulation is bad:
While they eat and drink their government-regulated food,
While they use government-regulated electricity,
While living in a government-regulated building,
All so they can use their government-regulated internet and bite the hands that protected not just them, but their parents from being poisoned, electrocuted, crushed under mismanaged buildings, and generally just living in fear of everything being designed to kill them.

How can anyone take them seriously when they are a product of a world that has regulations designed to protect them?

this is an assumption that lootboxes are only present in AAA titles while budget mobage crank out thousands for jpgs of anime girls

>pay2convenience
That's still pay2win, dumbass. Anything that is explicitly designed to let you fast track anything is pay2win. "Win" in pay2win is not there literal definition of win in all cases but more the broader act of accomplishing a goal. If that goal can be accomplished faster/easier by paying than without, then it is pay2win.

>implying learning from our mistakes is bad and we should instead jut have more laws lol
This is semi-related but this is one of my core problems with government action. Government action doesn't reinforce our morality or make us better people, it substitutes our morality. This is why society is degenerating as much as it has been, nothing is expected of you anymore.

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Comparing illicit drug abuse with video games. Can you provide a food analogy next time instead?

That's implying it's okay in those too. Which it's not.

this idiot has been trying to derail every thread about this since it became a topic
he's either getting paid or has a serious mental disability
he says the same non-argument every single post and refuses to understand why he's fucking retarded

Because I am not a pedophile. Why didn't you save time and let us know you were a socialist?
True, but if the people "in charge" (of what? that's somewhat ambiguous) are not rational, then why would we want them making laws for us? Especially laws that restrict our behavior. There's no getting around the fact that people voluntarily making poor decisions is their own fault. If someone is trying to scam you, shouldn't you be intelligent enough to know not to fall for it?

Why should a governing body determine that you can't buy tainted meat from the supermarket?

Why should a governing body determine that you can't buy untested prescription drugs?

Why should a governing body determine that you can't run a ponzi scheme?

Why should a governing body determine what you as a consumer can and can't buy?

>Post so right the entire thread ignores it.

>I'm not a pedophile
doubt

>self regulation through consumer action
>vote with your dollar
LMAO THIS IS WHAT ANCAPS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

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>these scummy monetizations systems fund creative mediums
>... so they're protected speech just like the games they fund
Fuck off.
>There are retards who think that the depiction of women in games are as equally as harmful to society as lootboxes
... and they're retarded. Fuck off.

>Why should a governing body determine that you can't buy untested prescription drugs
Reminder the FDA literally admitted to killing 100,000 people because they banned drugs that were already tested to work in Europe
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>defending expanded government privilege
But I thought you were against it?
Just fuck off. Arguing that lootboxes/p2w/gacha should be allowed because you don't have to buy it and that they "fund creative mediums" is literally a defense for the sale of lootboxes/p2w/gacha. You're not convincing anyone with your retarded lolbertarian rhetoric, just fuck off and ask your mother to shove a gun in your mouth and finish the abortion.

Imagine, there's an entire generation of teenagers who don't know a world before pay2win and lootboxes

So the FDA shouldn't exist because of it and mandatory drug testing shouldn't be enforced even by Europen governments. Am I getting this right?

>The industry should be self regulated through consumer action
That's literally the opposite of self regulation

>You shouldn't be mad at the companies behind it.
What

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If the government explicitly tried to enforce certain views of morality it would be far more concerning than them making a shady business practice no longer legal.
I agree that society is degrading into clown world, but without something to reign in idiots it will only get worse. Enabling mentally unstable people is the worst thing that can be done, and taking advantage of gamblers at an early age is at least one thing the government can try to stop to some degree.

>minor oriented
That's the little loophole for publishers. They are just going to argue that, since the game is M rated, maybe even has nudity, it's clearly made for adults and not minors. This is only going to hit games like fortnite or anything T rated.

M is 17, which is a minor.

>implying learning from our mistakes is bad and we should instead jut have more laws lol
Here's the thing. These aren't OUR mistakes. These are something forced upon us by the publishers who don't care what we want because all they're interested in is money. Our actions mean nothing because even if we take a stand and abstain from buying into their bullshit, there is always a whale out there to make up for it, thus the publishers learn nothing and the majority of us continues to suffer for it. We can't stop the whales either so we're completely powerless in this situation. It would be great if they learned from their mistakes but they won't because they're either rich as fuck or too mentally incapable of stopping themselves. Continuing to make a scene of it and bringing it to legislative ears is literally our last resort.

M is 17+. 17 is minor. They would have to put it on AO games only

I don't hate lootboxes and p2w because it doesn't affect me
it's your fault for playing shitty games

>it's your fault for playing shitty games
You're seriously implying some strong implications that I play games with lootboxes and p2w

kek, more proof that Yea Forums's reading level is at primary school level

>Do you complain Simulator games exist because you aren't a German?
Unironically yes.

>There are retards who think that the depiction of women in games are as equally as harmful to society as lootboxes
Speaking of false equivalency fallacies.

>Arguing that lootboxes/p2w/gacha should be allowed because you don't have to buy it and that they "fund creative mediums"...
Where the fuck are you reading this shit? Are you schizophrenic? Or are you just inventing shit to suit whatever it is you want to argue about? You don't have to buy it. That doesn't make it good. That doesn't mean it should exist.

Well if market failures are legitimate reasons to not trust markets, why should I trust the FDA? That situation is the literal textbook definition of a market failure, where individual rationality (FDA official being overcautious to protect their job) does not lead to group rationality (hundreds of thousands of people dying).

>p2w doesn't affect me its your fault if it does

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So you're saying FDA shouldn't exist because you can't trust them as opposed to free market and mandatory drug testing shouldn't be enforced even by Europen governments.

That's the only reason why people would care
Im glad retards would spend cash for a shitty skin

>You don't have to buy it. That doesn't make it good. That doesn't mean it should exist.

That's right it shouldn't.

I'm not European so I don't give a fuck what they do, but the FDA does more harm than good.

So what are publishers going to sacrifice, microtransactions or ESRB moving M to 18+?

Slippery fucking slope retard.

>>Arguing that lootboxes/p2w/gacha should be allowed because you don't have to buy it is a defense
>Where the fuck are you reading this shit? Are you schizophrenic? Or are you just inventing shit to suit whatever it is you want to argue about?
>You don't have to buy it.

>forced upon us
How? Because it is present in the game or because there's a guy holding your mother hostage unless you buy?
>the majority of us continues to suffer for it
Do you know how many video games there are to play? Not all of them have gamble cancer. Not even the majority. Why aren't you bitching about DLC too? That shit is bad as well and it has gotten worse. I bought expansion packs in the 90's, what we have now is a far cry from that.
>Continuing to make a scene of it and bringing it to legislative ears is literally our last resort.
No it's not. You are literally glossing over the simplest solution of all: don't consume the cancer product. If a game has anti-consumer cancer gambling, you can just simply not buy it. Neckbeards might continue to consume it, but that is their problem, not yours.

18+ is a huge deal. it would put games on the same level as porn games. many retailers refuse to stock that.
they could do it but it would be mega risky.

Looks like FEH will finally die.
Same with FGO US.
Where were you when Granblue won.

If only they would enforce the rating system as much as they do Alcohol & Tobacco, That would fix a lot of stuff

I could totally see all the big publishers getting ESRB to change M to 18+. But then again, there's also the possibility that this bill can just say that despite the game being 18 +, it still has a minor demographic target.

good to know you are retarded

>Blocks your connection to the servers

RIP FORTNITE OH NONONO

Yeah but the government does this shit all the time. They subsidize single mothers, we get more single mothers, they subsidize student loans, we get more student loans and the inevitable debt, they subsidize obesity, we get more obesity. I'm just not cut out for clown world.

Fortnite would actually not be affected by this as that would be closer to paid expansion. They do not have lootboxes like Overwatch

Fortnite is actually safe from this, dumb not-reader.

How long until the cancerous devs get to the "implosion" stage?

Neither, they will just try to move into china and make money there. Hell some games already pander to them.

>You don't have to buy it = YES IT MUST EXIST THIS IS A GOOD THING!
I have to be getting trolled. I have to, you can't possibly be this god damn stupid. You don't have to buy crack cocaine either, it doesn't mean I am defending its existence you retarded mong.

The only reason people care about the regulations affecting them is because they play these games.
I'm glad retards spending cash on randomized bullshit won't be normalized anymore.

At this rate, never. Just look at EA and how they keep sacrificing their studios to keep themselves afloat.

>You don't have to buy it = NO IT SHOULDN'T EXIST THIS IS A BAD THING!
I have to be getting trolled. I have to, you can't possibly be this god damn stupid. You can't legally buy crack cocaine either, it doesn't mean I am saying you should you retarded mong.

OH NO NO NO

But seriously I wonder if gachas like Granblue will be in some grey area because it is technically not available in the US.

What if GabeN had his grubby little mitts in the bill to cut off Fortnite from printing money and thus kill EGS because Epic can no longer afford to buy exclusives?

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I'm not defending the government since they do a lot of stupid things, but I'd rather they stumble through and try to fix shit with their incompetence rather than have intelligent greedy corporations take advantage of people more than they already are doing.

>You don't have to buy crack cocaine either,
Should you be allowed to? Why should the government dictate whether you can sell crack cocaine to children?

FUCK
EPIC
GAMES
HARD

doubt it. gayben benefits greatly from microtransactions and ebin is killing itself.
fatty is just waiting it out.

You really are that stupid, and probably underage as well. Eh, it's my fault, I should know better than reply.

So the solution is to get rid of the FDA and have no mandatory testing of prescription drugs, because the news article you posted proves governing bodies should not determine whether pharmaceutical companies can sell untested perscription drugs, even though those drugs were already tested by a different government body.

glad you are a subway artist instead of working in law. It's talking about the purchase of the expansion. If a person is buying the sword directly with no effort then that is a different story.

And yet here you are, dumbfuck!

lots of them considering this legislation will make all of them AO games

No. No you fucking clown. Do you know why? Because illicit drugs and gambling are, wait for it, DIFFERENT FUCKING THINGS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT FUCKING CONSEQUENCES. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS TO ANYONE OVER THE AGE OF SEVEN.

it works fine with the early access model. just call the game unfinished and take people's money and then add content as time goes on.

You're right, and honestly if you were smart enough you would see how ironic it is that this proves my whole argument: it's not your fault that you're stupid, it's not your fault that you're trolling me, it's MY fault for getting sucked in to it. But like I said, you're too dumb to get it.

good news is you could probably have fun with a shiny keychain or a beveld glass door knob so basically no loss for retards like you

This post has less self awareness than the shit I just took.

>calls someone else a cocksucking bootlicker
>earned 4 grand in that skirt

>There are people who would rather let EA/Activision/Ubisoft/etc fuck them in the ass, then let the Government fix a cancer that came from mobile gaming

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pot meet kettle