Was Andrew Ryan “correct” ?

>why did Rapture went to shit ?
Because it was required by the plot

I agree that Levine is a commie hack; there’s something I don’t understand though, no one ever talked about Rapture’a economic level, it’s hard for me imagining it than something more than an underwater Las Vegas, how really was it in terms of production ? Should I play the DLCs ?

Wouldn't that require some level of working class people? From my understanding, Raptures population mainly consist of hedonist rich types.

They have working classes and they lived in the shit condition.

>not finding the plumbers recording in 1 or the teddy bear salesman in 2
Rapture might have been billed as a city of ultimate freedom but it was built on the concept of unlimited exploitation. Someone had to take care of the infrastructure of Rapture and thise people were treated like garbage. The genetic engineering only made it worse.

>why did Rapture went to shit ?

>lol do what you want
>NOOOOOOOOOO STOP UNDERMINING MY ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY

>why did Rapture went to shit ?
Turns out anarcho capitalism is actually not sustainable in the long run

Ryan did own the oxygen generation facilities of Rapture and could tell people what to do (or else he'd stop selling them air).

kinda completely destroys his whole 'lol do what you want, we're free from restrictions' thing.

No, ADAM slugs just accelerated its downfall.

>go full paranoid authoritarian
>don’t consider possibility of workers rebelling
>allowing a highly addictive and destructive substance to be legally obtainable
no, and the last two are failures of his own philosophy

Do what you want implies you need to do what you NEED to do first i.e. get your own oxygen and food and shiet. Obviously that's unrealistic, but Ryan should have or possibly did realize that he had to act as a sort of de-facto "god" in the sense that he created Rapture, a self-contained world, in which he should provide the necessities of life and living free of cost. However, he probably disregards it as a socialistic concept despite the fact that the city in its infancy is his world that he has to care for.

Yes, will isn't entirely free, but will is free to each individual (despite being an illusion). You can't really quantify metaphysics all that well.

This existence is eternally out of balance and no system can ever work without flaws and failures.
Suffering is the name of the game of this Universe. How else would they harvest your LOOSH?

>when society goes down
"lol, i dont care it's the great chain"
>when it's causing direct damage
"oh shit, i need to take care of that fountain fellow"

Andrew Ryan is a critique of Ayn Rand, a wealthy socialite writer with no concept of how the real world works. In Atlas Shrugged, the unlikeable wealthy industrialist protags want freedom from government meddling, and hide from an union-driven economic collapse of the US in a commune hidden in the Rockies using holograms, but Rapture depicts how such a law of the jungle society in which people are free to fuck over each other wouldn't work like in Atlas Shrugged, which lays out Rand's philosophy using hilariously ridiculous strawmanning. The hero of the book is depicted righteously allowing his friends and family starve / lynched to death because they didn't support his upper-crust industrialist master-race empire.

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Rapture went to shit because it was solely devoted to complete freedom in society and the sciences without maintaining any form of shared moral code to guide the actions of its citizens. Free from regulation and ethics, their scientists played god without considering the consequences and their populace devolved into degeneracy

kill ze puppy

Rapture went to shit because the devs wanted a spooky underwater dystopia settling with bites of philosophy.

>Theory of value and labor aside, why did Rapture went to shit?
Basic power struggles. the magic slugs were basically like a new discovered resource, so Andrew started facing some actual competition to his monopoly. And in true hypocrisy Andrew started imposing regulations and tyranny on the citizens. So basically a civil war+the new wonder drug turning everyone more and more insane over time.

>Rapture went to shit because it was solely devoted to complete freedom in society
It went to shit because in a true naive utopia fashion, it really wasn't devoted to complete freedom after all. The very moment Andrew Ryans position got challenged, he started ruling over the city with terror of force.

Atlas Shrugged, the book which justifies the Rapture kind of super-capitalism by having the US be taken over by communists. For what its worth, I like most of The Fountainhead, which is more about artistic freedom. But there's something deeply rotten about the kind of society Rand wanted, as depicted in Bioshock; basically medieval feudalism but with pompous corporate assholes like Zuckerberg and Musk doing whatever they want because they stepped on enough other people to get there. The average person in such a society would be little more than a serf.

>Randians
>ever correct

>Was Andrew Ryan “correct”
Not even wrong. Ayn Rand opposed to social security and other welfare states service. She had lung cancer and died of heart failure in a welfare state situation.

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Andrew Ryan didn't clone himself. Ryan's mistress sold Fountaine her unborn fetus in exchange for a shit ton of money.

If you think about it, Ryan would have won if not for Elizabeth. She's the one who got Fountaine back to Rapture to begin the revolution. Rapture seemed like it was doing fine in Burial at Sea with Fountaine out of the picture.

I think the problem was, much like communism, his ideal society only works on paper. It's too reliant on people continuously behaving a certain way but humans are too fickle for that.

Serves the cunt right. For her the world outside of Manhattan dinner parties could burn for all she cared. If her vision came to pass people like you or I would consider ourselves lucky to be the ones holding the gilt platters of champagne and cigars.

You forgot the whole plasmids making people crazy-thing though. Eventually it would've gone down anyway.

It's hard to create a utopia that has freedom because freedom means some people are going to choose to do the wrong thing and ruin the utopia. You either have to create overbearing laws that restricts the freedom of everyone or create such strict standards for membership that it excludes most people.

In real societies you're always going to have a group that disregards the social contract, that get a rise out of flouting rules, and who do not want to participate willingly. They want to be in society, but also be seen not valuing the rules of that society. You see this in any online community. It's literally the basis for Yea Forums. It's why "going to another site if you don't like this one" isn't good enough. So you have to build your society with that in mind.

Also realize that no matter how many laws and rule sets you create, someone will find a work-around or flat out break the rules. No use in being upset over it, it's just the nature of things.

The major failures of utopias in history is people trying to create a system and then adjust mankind to it rather than putting in the work to build a system around mankind. Which is much much harder for the reasons given above. People would rather write a few social theory books and create a strong ideology to cling to as a savior than spend centuries building and refining a delicate social system based on actual data. To be fair, data hasn't really been a concern for social engineers until the last 40 years or so. We're still pretty young into data science and computers. So maybe the 2050s will see an emergence of a new system that's more informed than republicanism, federalism, socialism, communism, nationalism, fascism, tribalism, monarchy, feudalism, etc.

Now that the dust has settled, it is that bad.

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TL;DR: Anarchy inevitably leads to Feudalism, Free Market inevitably leads to Monopoly. With no other rules in place, the rule of the strongest always applies.

Because it relies on people behaving in their role, when human nature always insures people tries to circumvent any established rules.
Basically humans will always try to fuck over any organization with loopholes

It really was

He rejected god so god yeeted on him just like every other religious atheist leader.

If we got rid of all the non white (that means jews aswell), western countries would be pretty good

You play through an entire game showing just how wrong he was.
kys retard