WoW

Is anyone else entertained by watching retail players ruin the classic community before it's even out?

>#nochanges people cry for over a year
>sharding is announced
>people cry and blizzard decides not to do it
>their solution is to "layer" the entire realm into multiple layers
>#nochanges crowd is drowned out by tourists that just want to play the game and Blizzard will keep it in
Lmao.

Instead of not seeing people at level 1-20ish you will now be missing out on people from 1-60.

This system is also incredibly exploitable, example is shown here:
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The retail community makes up most of the classic community now. They all want qol changes, retail graphics, autoloot, advanced addons and all the other crap that ruins the vanilla experience.

If you dare speak against the retailcucks, you'll instantly have 20 people against you.

>saying retail
go back to your private servers

hey sockhead conjure me up some water

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go back to ribbit

what is this wojak even doing? eating a jawbreaker?

Well only blizzard can stop the addons but most of the advanced addons are already in the beta.

>autoloot
How to spot a incel in one word

Has a large tumor from playing nu-Blizzard games

>a incel
bruh moment

that doesn't even make any sense

thanks for explaining, looks like a jawbreaker though

vanilla had autoloot you catababby

He probably wanted to say aoe loot.

So how exactly will shar- I mean layering work with lord khazzak?

The realm sizes are apparently going to be much bigger so does that mean there are going to be multiple lord khazzaks? Or are 18000 people going to be fighting over a single mob in a game originally designed for 3000 people per server?

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There will be no layering by phase 2. All the retail players will quit by phase 2 so the servers won't be overpopulated.

>18000 people going to be fighting over a single mob
This.

You can thank the private server babies for it.

They have 'promised' that by the time the world bosses are in the game that layering would be removed
Note that their entire plan for this hinges on like 15k players per server quitting the game within a couple weeks

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it was never an option in vanilla, hence why you looted normally the majority of the time.

Having it as an option creates a different pacing and atmosphere. It sounds silly, but as someone who plays on both retail and private servers, the difference between having autoloot as an option and not is very noticeable. Its a small thing that adds authenticity to classic.

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>Autoloot was introduced in Patch 1.9.

>vanilla had autoloot
>it was never an option in vanilla
Private server faggots really are the worst.

>Note that their entire plan for this hinges on like 15k players per server quitting the game within a couple weeks
you know it will happen
normies will spit out classic like sour juice and the entire private server scene put together can't fill 30k
blizzard expects 75% pop drop, and they're not wrong
pick one and only one
>pop being split between 4x the servers and having to deal with server merges down the line
>layering
one and only one

Yes, dont worry you're not the only one to be confused since they started posting that.
I think the connection is that both wow and ed edd n eddy were popular at the same time?

How come private servers aren't dead within a month bros. How come there are still 9,000 people playing on chinkdale at the time of me typing this?

Salty faggots mad that they didn't get into beta.

Because chinks are playing it

because private server launches aren't a massively anticipated event that appeals to a large audience + private servers can get away with starter zones being overpopulated to the point of unplayability so they just cram 5x the pop at launch in hopes it reaches an equilibrium later

>because private server launches aren't a massively anticipated event
This is blatantly fucking false for the past three form vanilla servers.

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lol yes they are

it's fun as fuck

I just logged in to see this and there was a classic beta rejects named guild. There was like 10+ people camping on Princess' spawn point

If 9k people are left playing Wow Classic in a few months, Blizzard will be sold off and laughed out of business.

you really gonna compare your chink-infested 9k players shithole to classic?
how many chinksdale threads were there on Yea Forums launch day? because I see like 30 classic threads per day now and it won't even be out for a few more months

It's not. Private servers are niche. You're simply part of a niche community in which the event is anticipated. Venture outside your bubble, and you'll be met with "huh?".

If a private server can sustain that amount of players for over a year then how could blizzard not do that

is classic not being launched in China? those players are going to be paying to play it it is

Yeah private servers are niche. Classic WoW didn't spawn from the backlash from Blizzard shutting down Nostalrius or anything. Blizzard didn't personally invite some Nostalrius devs to help with classic and provide feedback. So niche. A foreign concept, really.

>spell batching allows druchads to shift out and instant shift back to form while using a consumable without losing form stats.
Maybe classic is based after all.

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not about how many players you have 1 year later, it's about how many of those players quit during that year
was it 50% for chinkdale? maybe, who knows
normies and BFAbabbs will be playing classic too so it will probably be as high or higher

hey does this mean i'm in the beta now?

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Honestly anything that fucks over warrniggers and palasissies is based. Sorry pallywackers but you're gonna have to earn your hks.

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classic was comfy but that is due to a lot of factors for the time period and also that wow was brand new then.

you all hate to admit it, but wow will NEVER be comfy ever again. its gone and its never coming back no matter what you do, or how many remakes blizzard tries (largely because they are incompetent)

Since servers say offline, you probably just got into the stress test.

>You think you do, but you don-

but i was in the stress test the other day and it only showed the stress test server, even when it was offline.

>/Sit doesn't cause reckoning to proc
Was this actually how this functioned in Vanilla or is this just a liberty they're taking to stop paladins from reckbombing people so easily?

How it always worked.

are you in the classic beta? because i am and it's intensely comfy and i'm having a great time

Did you guys listen to what the "you think you do but you don't" guy had to say?
The first example that came to his mind is how you had to spam trade channels for 2 hours to find a party.
And he's right. He's 100% right. You think you want that back, and you don't want that back. Remember this post. Because when you play Classic, you will come to the second hour of spamming your macro like a robot, and you will say to yourself "this sucks".

>you will now be missing out on people from 1-60
This is just blatant misinformation.

>multiple layers
>you can only see people in your layer unless you switch, which you then are unable to see people in your previous layer
explain how it's misinformation

layering is going to be gradually reduced until there is only one "layer" IE a normal server

9k is concurrent not total players and that's only for a single server

It's obviously a bug, maybe you'd get beta access, but you would never get alpha access.

You also missed out on people playing on others servers. Why are you not whining about that?

how is this bad, it's literally what the old game had

This guy.

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yea spamming chat to get a group does suck but so does queueing up with strangers you'll never see again to farm brain dead content where you never talk to anyone, it beats all the problems of modern WoW even if you do concede classic is not a perfect game, which I don't think any one claimed it was

because that's normal and you can't change realms retard

But a layer is equal to the size of a vanilla realm. So what is the problem?

Yes, they're a niche compared to retail. Retail had 12M subs at its peak. Nostalrius had what, 150k active accounts? That's about 1/100 the size.

There will very, very likely be a massive loss of population in the early weeks/months. We're not dealing with a product that is new to everyone. A large number of the potential players are already aware of it and what it's like, so the period of growth where more and more people find out about the game is much smaller. Blizzard also knows from running retail that a ton of people starting a trial account stop playing before 20. We can also look at a similar game, OSRS, to look at their population dynamics. Unsurprisingly, there is a massive loss in players.

Private servers don't make that good a comparison for a couple of reason. First is that they were, and still are, niche. Nostalrius experienced that period of growth where people where finding out about it. It was unknown to a ton of people, so it grew because the amount of people finding out about it outnumbered the people quitting. Secondly, current private servers have a core playerbase that just keep playing from server to server, which is why the population stays stable enough. Do note that none of the servers reach nost numbers. And thirdly, private server population is a bit inflated at the moment due to classic hype bringing people over there.

Don't flatter yourself. The people at blizzard are smarter than you and have access to data that you don't, so don't think you know better how classic population will turn out.

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Retail cucks are always going to be SEETHING
enjoy paying for our servers with your wow coins and mounts lmao

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>Nostalrius had what, 150k active accounts?
117 millions

>so does queueing up with strangers you'll never see again to farm brain dead content where you never talk to anyone
False dilemma bro. TBC had LFG that wasn't cross-server and would hook you up with the same people every time. It was literally the same shit as spamming /2 /5 /6 but without you having to click your macro.
The LFG situation was so fucking bad, it only took 1 expansion for blizz to fix it.

>stupid faggots reporting this shit as bugs
>literally giving blizzard "you think you do, but you don't" ammo

because you're going to be on the same server as people that you'll end up never seeing or being able to group with if theyre on a different layer even though you chose the same server

N-NO DON'T FOCUS ON THAT!! MY SHITPOSTING NARRATIVE!!!!

consider it as a different server, what's the problem?

>Retail had 12M subs at its peak
Keyword: at its peak. In 2010.

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Ah right, you are one of those layers will be there forever kind of retards. Just go away.

>their solution is to "layer" the entire realm into multiple layers
layering is getting removed in phase 2 which is probably gonna be 3 months into the game, probably less. who gives a fuck

Enjoy paying for retail servers and mounts

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the problem is you can move between them before all layers get merged, which makes it as retarded as sharding

Holy shit that gnome char looks exactly like my old char.

that's the problem, you just described sharding, being on a different server than someone who you're actually on the same server as

>you can move between them
You can't.

I'm still not sure what people mean by "pog" in twitch chat

Yes. There's a reason why I used peak numbers, not current retail numbers, not some other numbers. If you can figure out why, you can understand the actual point. Good luck.

(This is what paycucks actually believe.)

not really user private servers are still a no-go zone for most people. Its like mentioning piracy, there is a lot of people who switch to full sperg mode the moment you say it.
The thing is private servers are very unhealthy, they are cramped as fuck. Anything above 2000 starts a slippery slope, where AH suffers too and most items will be inflated. Take northdale for example, a fuckton of chinkfarmers and people who buy gold. The economy which was organically created is now completely gone lets say if a peacebloom worth 50 silver/20 stack now is 2 silver.

Lets be real here: A lot of these players are there because its free, which is a magnet to shithole countries. Not to mention since shady deals are not regulated its a very easy ground for scum people, not to mention the server owners do all of this to scam people, who are completely blinded by their nostalgia. I'm sorry to say this, but anyone who says otherwise is lying or not experienced enough, because reality says otherwise. Some of them even "apologized" for scamming people.

it's different server

I am a very big brained person. As such I will wait 6+ months after launch to play, because:
>the launch will almost certainly have server issues up the ass, it's to be expected at this point
>there's a very high chance actiblizzard will sneak in surprise changes and it will take some time for that situation to sort itself out
>I don't want to deal with the initial layer hell and subsequent population crash when all the normies quit and actiblizzard may even have to start merging servers already, I will only play when the population stabilizes and layering is gone.
>I will wait until the first classic addons and HUDs are stable.
>You'd have to be retarded to play before they add in the actual PvP content.
>If actiblizzard pulls a 180° and completely shits on classic 6 months down the line, I will simply move on rather than be cucked out of 6 months of progress.
>It will probably be cheaper by then.
>I will dodge all the month 1 quitters, so I won't end up with a derelict friendslist.
As you can see, being an early adopter is always a bad thing.

>who gives a fuck that your whole leveling experience was practically sharded just like on retail, endgame its where its at!
spoken like a true retailcuck that doesnt care about making friends during leveling and just joins some random guild at lvl 60

You don't see the same people, nobody really has a reputation.
Someone getting shafted in group PvP can just get invited to a different layer.
Multiple layers converging into single layers when it comes to world bosses

It's really so hard to tell Blizzard you want Classic and not have them ruin it or impose changes that suck ass but they think we want anyway?

you can by being invited by someone who's on a different layer, easier to exploit than sharding because sharding won't change you to a new shard if the person who invited you isn't in your area

It's a FrancerFaceZ emote which only shows the mouth from the Pogchamp emote

blizzard already force moved people between layers during the stress test to stabilize the servers. youre in for a bad awakening user, you have been warned

yea, and that's the problem

Give me one single fucking example of why they would keep layering after launch

>You'd have to be retarded to play before they add in the actual PvP content.
WoW PvP was at its best before BGs were implemented, and still good even when honor system wasn't implemented.

>the launch will almost certainly have server issues up the ass
I don't really think this will be a problem. If BFA launch is anything to go by at least.

give me one good reason why they don't just have no sharding or laying and use dynamic spawns like they did in the 2004 launch

If you compare retail sub numbers from nearly a decade ago to a private server that was in its prime during 2016, that's retarded. Blizzard's lost so many subs in WoD/Legion that they didn't even show the numbers anymore at that point.

do you play retail user? people abandon the dead servers and flock to a few higly populated ones. thanks to sharding this isnt a problem, but without...

>using addons
faggot
>not getting to 60 and the best pvp gear before ranks come out
faggot
>It will probably be cheaper by then.
Delusional.

I mean when you are making up changes and problems it is pretty hard for them to fix it.

>B-b-blizzard always keep their p-p-promises!
copé

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If they truly keep it like classic wow, normies wont know what hit them. I played that shit on a 'high level' and when I think of the amount of time and energy I invested in completely mind numbing tasks to keep my place on my little server... it's just insane. Neo WoW cannot compete.

>nobody really has a reputation
Jesus fucking christ, will you ever stop?
Nobody in vanilla had any fucking reputation outside of their guilds. Only several le meme world pvpers like betepok.

>If you dare speak against the retailcucks, you'll instantly have 20 people against you.
Oh yeah? Watch me:

Vanilla gnomes are CUTE! CUTE!!!
Retail gnomes are UGLY! UGLY!!!

It's cheaper than having their old persistent world server infrastructure than it is to just procedurally deploy and stop cloud-based shard servers like they do now.

Except they already said it was getting taken out before phase 2 because they don't want multiple instances of world bosses in play on a server. You fucking moron.
I've been playing with the same guild since 2012, you speak like some fucking autistic faggot that can't keep a job let alone online friends LOL

Based and gnomepilled

>cloud-based
you are so retarded it just gave me an aneurysm

>Only several le meme world pvpers like betepok.
Tell me why this is bad that people make names for themselves doing this

lol even #nochange mongrels couldn't agree what the "true" classic experience was. balanced pvp? 1.12.1? all raids open at start? /sit spam for crits? sorry, official classic was a mistake

but I thought that was only for launch and they're going back to the old method after? dynamic spawns is easier to do than what you described, try again

holy shit user youre a fucking cuck if you unironically subscribed to this shit game until now, your "friends" too, i really hope you quit classic after the first month and go back with your cucked clique

user Blizzard has employed cloud-computing for WoW servers since Legion

What are you on about retard?

You did not play WoW vanilla. People had reputations. The amount of gossip was ridiculious.

Met them on a private server, but okay fagtron. Enjoy being alone?

First it was only during launch in the starting zones only. Now it is only during "phase 1" (which is an unspecificed amount of time; likely months)

I don't know why you're acting like Blizzard's word is credible when they directly contradicted what they initially said at Blizzcon.

What the fuck does that even mean. So they just rent the servers instead of owning them. Same shit.

You little bubble of friends had reputations. Very, very few people was known by anyone outside their own little group.

dude have fun with your online friends, while im gonna play classic with my real friends, you got cucked hard by vidya thats all i can say

I am going to no-life to 60 week 1, hopefully do a Ragnaros kill week 2.

I'll be playing Undead Priest on a PvP server.

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Significantly weaker servers because it's cheaper to maintain a dynamic number of weak virtual cloud servers than it is to maintain a few powerful servers designed to facilitate thousands of players at once.

You know, it being only during launch, is the same as it being only done in part of phase 1.

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It's not the slightest bit retarded in this scenario, because current popularity is simply not a factor. This would be fairly obvious if you grasped the point of the comparison.

>playing classic
>having real friends
choose one

>Only during launch, in the starting zones
>Only during phase one, for the entire fucking world
Do you see a difference here? Also, disregard them lying about how legion sharding would only be temporary to reduce stress on high-population zones. Blizzard would never tell you a fib to their loyal customers :)

no you aren't

Zoomer detected. Every server had their 'famous' players, the permatards, ninja looters, pvp gods, corrupt GMs. That everybody's social interaction is limited to guild chat is an activision blizzard thing.

they'll p-p-pPP-p-p-PPPPA-p-PA-p-PAPA-patch that! p-p-pA

I'm going to exploit layering

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Ill be rping as a girl and selling my premium snap for gold and carries

Ill be the richest person on the server

>for the entire fucking world
What corner of your ass are you faggots pulling this from? They never said this. It's still the starter areas.

im 35 years old user, i played vanilla with them back then too, were going home

Not true at all.

A lot of people knew the best tanks, the toxic players, and the best geared people of their class.

Mutt, Breshler, Acidik, Ming, Choni, Tenj, Dolomites, Bighorn, Squinky...

All names of people on my Vanilla server. None of which I knew personally, but which the entire server knew by reputation.

dog if you've been playing private servers for the past 7 years with the same group of people that's nothing but pathetic and shameful

You honestly can't. You can only change layers if you join a group with someone on another layer, and the only thing you could take advantage of is maybe rare spawns.

What makes you say that, user? That's really what I intend to do.

Also, post more undead girls.

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Based, but what are you gonna do when they ask for the link? Aren't you afraid it'll spread through the thirsty fags and you'll get shut down pretty quick since no one wants to deal with you?

Because there are a FUCK TON more people trying to play at once in 2019 than there were back in 2004 you idiot, we go through this shit every fucking thread.

Does Light's Hope have its own form of sharding or something because I swear to christ I've been sharded twice since I started playing last week.

>Hey user, jump on Teamspeak!

>You honestly can't
>you could take advantage of is maybe rare spawns
>You honestly can't
>you could take advantage of is maybe rare spawns
>You honestly can't
>you could take advantage of is maybe rare spawns
>You honestly can't
>you could take advantage of is maybe rare spawns
>You honestly can't
>you could take advantage of is maybe rare spawns
>You honestly can't
>you could take advantage of is maybe rare spawns

Your average retail player, folks.

retailfags who totally swear they played vanilla were reporting these as bugs

>Instead of sharding the zones, their plan is to shard the entire continent at launch
The starting zone thing was when they where talking about doing sharding. Since they changed, they also changed to doing the entire world.

They also say it should be gone after around a month.

If they have to pay chinks wont play

what can you tell me about playing a pally in vanilla? i always wanted to but only ever played mage

The servers are a fuck ton more stable in 2019

>2 times as many people around
>twice and many rare spawns
Seems about good to me.

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>Ah, server 12, layer 36, node 12, IP 192.168.1.1 ...home.

Do you like alt-tabbing? Because pally leveling gameplay is apply seal, auto-attack, and go jerk off because its gonna be a while until the enemy dies

nobody cares

>Is anyone else entertained by watching retail players ruin the classic community before it's even out?
yes

Ret is not an option
You will just buff other players with kings the entire raid
Buffs require reagents
There is no 'greater' blessing, they expire in 10 minutes
You need to buff 40 people every 10 minutes

What are the best grief zones in the game, both A and H share your tips.

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The point is it's pointless to do because it doesn't profit anything, and it's still not guaranteed to work, you fucking zoomer retard. Enjoy going through that hassle to farm Hogger for no good reason while I leave your ass in the dust.

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Ill just give them my snap username, no link required

It looks super believable

Holy Pally is the best healer in the game, even better than Priest.

Ret is decent for PvP, but damage falls off for raids (compared to warriors). If you can get Nightfall you might just be guaranteed a raid spot though.

Prot pallies can tank 5-mans. (Idk for sure, but I think they might be able to tank raids if played right)

Don't get sour, tismo.
Not getting in on the social element of the game doesn't mean it's not there.

dont go ret for pvp. okay at "dueling" but totally cucked in wpvp and bgs to an extent

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Anything vanilla, but post vanilla, any daily area with caves to prevent mounting. The sheer rage of people that actually used to pay for two accounts to be able to whisper people before you could make cross faction characters was golden. Good luck finishing that daily, bro.

STV, Nesingwary's Camp is basically Saigon circa 1968

>Idk for sure, but I think they might be able to tank raids if played right
I mean if you have tier 3 gear they could probably tank MC ok, as long as the rest of the raid is also overgeared as fuck.

>no Embrace the Shadow

I wish you good luck on your plan, user

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who is that not true for? even as a mage you can kill fast but then just sit and drink water after every kill

on the beta Esfand and Mcconnell have crushed literally everyone they've fought

just sayin

crossroads aka barrens & grom gol zepellin towers in stv.

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Yeah but mages during combat require you to press buttons and then afk while you regen mana. Paladins afk mid combat because there isn't anything to do

they're level fucking 30 and nobody has PvP trinkets.

fuck people like you for saying this stupid shit

And yet you will still kill enough mobs to use all your mana, drink up and start killing more, while a paladin is still wacking away at their first enemy.

I remember reading this post ~2005 from a Prot Paladin who claimed he could tank MC with pre-raid gear, but that it put too much strain on the raid so he advised that no one else even bother trying.

What a fucking idiot. At least give good examples like itemization or patch phases.

people expect the pvp & griefing there, i need connoisseur spot where people dont expect to be rekt. I need maximum extraction of salt per hour.

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Don't they have 3 buttons right now?

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>FUCK TON more people
last I checked WoW has a FUCK TON less people than they did in vanilla not to mention they have 15 years newer hardware and you're saying they can't accomplish what they did back in 2004? because I'm pretty sure no matter how bad the launch was then the game was still a huge success no retarded layering required.

For Alliance: Redridge
For Horde: Stonetalon or Thousand Needles

Where there's a will, there's a way

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You literally just gave one of the many good examples. It’s not hard to fucking exploit when you have friend. Not that you have of those anyways

>thinking the issue is server stability and not the dynamic spawning.
More mobs = Faster exp = More loot
It would be a zerg rush of people flying through the zones killing constantly respawning enemies, some autists would find a farm spot and just camp there indefinitely and fuck over the servers long term economy.

Compared to layering you can exploit a couple rare spawns if you can co-ordinate things properly, which not everyone will be able to do.

If you want to make an enemy for life you should look up the escort quests of the opposite faction and kill them at the very end of the path.
A good example would be the femtauren one in 1k needles

Yeah, sure you have "real friends". lol
You think all this time we've played private servers? There are tons of other video games out there we play together. How are you incapable of understanding this?

user retail wow can't handle more than ~25 people in combat before it starts shitting itself. Somehow everything has gotten worse

No user literal who’s can make a better vanilla experience than a multimillion dollar company for free. How does that make you feel

I mean i suppose people could just sit in 10 hour queues, play for 5 min, then world server down. This would also help with not having too many people in the same place.

Can't wait to see the absolutely dogshit tier economy that layering is going to create. Even if they do actually remove it and they can stabilize the few full population servers that inevitably become the life of the game, the first phase will permanently affect economy for the worse as botters and farmers are able to phase in and out amassing materials.

>tfw no zombie gf who wants to literally eat your ass

feels bad man

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If you're talking about people disappearing around you, no, that's not sharding, that's a limitation on the base code of how most private servers run and it's a glitch that's been present since the very early days of private servers. You can get around it by changing graphical settings, but it doesn't fix it completely.

Holy fuck please die I'm already triggered

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are you sure, because I've twice had people and mobs despawn in front of me as I approached them

because 40mans are a group effort

good luck finding 39 other autists that will do 1-60, level alch for consumes, enchants, etc and have all of that in w2

you're right a few days inconvenience is much preferable to 2 months worth of sharding

>exploit
Again, there is nothing to "exploit" by doing this, retard. World bosses are the only thing abusing layers would matter in, and that's phase 2 so layering will be gone. Any retarded "exploiters" will be in the minority anyways and won't affect anybody else's game. It's a non-issue.

Pretty sure the current beta has sharding.

Someone did this to me on the darkshore escort quest.

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You should play alliance and join clover club instead.

is there something wrong with doing the dirty in the barrens or is stonetalon & thousand needles just better sph.

>few days
It was several months.

>Y-Yeah, sure you have "real friends". LOL!!!
imagine not being able to beleive people have real friends, i just realized you were talking about yourself the whole time here, user stop shitposting and go outside NOW

BASED AF, TY SIR

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W2 ragnaros kills were common even back in actual vanilla on a brand new low population server. It's really, really not hard. An organized group can do ragnaros with 25-30 people depending on composition of raid.

>finding 39 other autists that will do 1-60
Not going to be that hard, desu. Classic is autism magnet right now.

>level alch for consumes, enchants, etc
Not necessary, desu. MC could be done with 10 people who had all those.

40 people without shouldn't be hard.

Hey man, I know you just learned that word, but what it really is is just a buzz word for dummies. The "cloud" is just a datacenter, blizzards old servers were in datacenters, blizzards new servers are still in datacenters. Some of them are even in the same fucking buildings as 2004, the only thing thats changed was the hardware.

imagine being such a loser you unironically play in a gay Yea Forums tranny guild

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in 2004 when they wernt prepared for it with 15 years older hardware, I played on TBC launch and the servers died and had queues too but it was only for a few days, surely they can do better.

It'll be different I swear.

>as botters and farmers are able to phase in and out amassing materials.
You need to join a group in another layer.
There is no easy way to track which layer you are on in comparison to another person.
Any addons or bots that attempt to do it will likely recieve a blizzard hammer, and doing it manually through trial and error is tedious enough that most people probably wont bother, especially since whichever rare spawn they're going for is probably dead in every single layer.
You're absolutely retarded if you think they wont be watching for exactly this kind of farm operation happening.

Right, they can do better. Hence they need to find a solution to having more players in the same area.

They use a tech that distributed server load where it’s needed and splits it among the different zones. Basically allowing them to have zone based dynamic mob respawns. So what you see is your character switching over to another server. But so does every other characters so you will never be in another phase as someone else

Defend it all you want, but you're doing to be very disappointed in reality here very, very soon. Blizzard has always struggled to keep farming and gold selling under control, and this being their secondary project as it is, you're about to get shit on so hard you'll be depressed for years to come. And I can't wait.

>leveling in Darkshire
>Level ?? Undead Warlock slaps your ass

wut do?

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"hehe they did it in 2004 why don't they just do it again hehe" as an arguement against layering is only something someone who wasn't there for vanilla's launch could say unironically. 2004's launch was fucking abysmal in terms of stability. It was next to unplayable for a long time for a lot of people and this was with servers that had a max capacity of around 3000.
You can't even say "well they've improved the servers now" because every single fucking launch blizzard has ever done pre-sharding has been a cluster fuck. Remember WoD? Sudden resurgence of players at launch and every single server shits itself. Now imagine a resurgence on the level of every boomer, zoomer, retailfag, and their mother that has ever even heard of wow trying to log into classic in august.
Do you want to play the game with layering on for a month, or do you just not want to be able to play the game for a month?

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Bubble hearth because I'm a pally lel.

I thought this was common knowledge by now.
wowhead.com/news=291722/layering-in-classic-wow

>beta stress test has started an update

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>I played on TBC launch and the servers died and had queues too but it was only for a few days, surely they can do better.
Hellfire peninsula was fucked for weeks user, that shitfest alone is the reason they've never had a single big chokepoint in an expansion since, or made them isolated instances such as BFA's amulet thing.

Double-D would be the one to play mage, hence "hey sockhead."

say "mommy~"

>hey someone is ganking me redridge bro. Invite to your layer so I can quest?
>hey everyone is stealing my mobs. Invite me to your phase okay?
>man someone is farming all the ore nodes here.. let me check your phase okay bro?

Want me to keep going faggot?

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Nope, it went from "sharding in the starter area for a month or so" to "Layering on the entire server for phase 1". It's the exact same shit as sharding, you can invite to groups you get sharded, you logout you get sharded, you see a giant pvp fight you're not a part of you're gonna get sharded.

wow the server crashed in wod what a shame, better add 2 months of layering to classic wow because a server crash is the worst thing that could ever happen and it ruined the game back in TBC and wotlk no one wanted to sub to those shitty games huh

this is the correct answer

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Go to a different layer.

>Hey for some reason there is just as many people questing and ganking in all these other layers.
>The layers, they do nothing
Go back to your baby mode private server.

>No argument.
>"Dude just trust me."
To your last point
>this being their secondary project as it is
Different dev teams you fucking moron.

Undead don't do it for me. Someone post human women. I have a huge fetish for them.

i wish human females were real

I just want class balance. Why are classic fags okay with classes that have completely unviable specs?

Enjoy your 10 hour queue.

You're a fucking freak. There's no saving you

10 cents have been deposited in your blizzard account

Because there aren't any completely unviable specs? There are pve specs and pvp specs and farming specs and special specs like rain of fire warlock or flag runner druid.

Yes, the B team. You're hinging your life on this, and it's obvious. I unironically wouldn't be surprised if you were an actual paid shill, but there's the chance that you're just an autist that can't take actual criticism. The proof is in their history, shill-kun. Enjoy your B team talent, unless you think everyone in the company is equal or something?

>human women
That's fucking disgusting dude.

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>server crash was the issue
>not the absolutely god awful choke point that was the Garrison quest

All I see is a misinformed autistic sperg complaining with no actual solution to the problem.

sharding/layering will only be in place for the first 2-3 weeks to prevent hours stuck in queue and disconnects

Not to mention, most people who play on launch will speedrun to max level and you'll largely be so ahead of the pack that you will hardly see people

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>Undead female fanart
>Just a grey human female with a few blemishes
Fuck this Mall-Goth tier shit. is where it's at.

Never let facts get in the way of shitposting user

I've seen plenty of people on all 3 layers this stress test!
I agree about it being exploitable though, but they still have time.

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retail is not a valid insult

unironically name the last time you bought a PC game on a CD in-person at a store

rofl. you literally said I'm the type of person to not give a fuck about making friends during leveling.

the only person that would say that is one that won't have friends come with him to classic WoW. you've contradicted yourself and revealed yourself to be lonely and pathetic. go away now kiddo ;)

Are you just doing this for (you)'s? I dont even know what your argument is anymore.

so the problem was poor game design not the servers, got it

>huurrrr none these things that made vanilla community great matter

I’ll go back to private servers if you go back to your soon to be dead retail servers

>Mankrik's wife is not labelled as "Beaten Corpse"
The fuck is this shit?

You have poor reading comprehension then, shill-kun. They can't keep up with gold farmers and sellers and have never been able to. You're getting B team talent dedicated to this, and if their A team can't handle it, what makes you think their B team can? The economy is going to be disastrously destroyed out of the gates from shar- I mean layering, and it won't recover. Keep up now, I know it's difficult, but you are getting paid here shill-kun.

>tfw no human female gf
>tfw no magic angry mommy
feels bad man

D R O P P E D

You say you want vanilla. Then you say fuck that shit give me private server shit that has nothing to do with vanilla. So what do you want?

the fuck are you talking about? none of that shit has changed

>every retail launch has been met with the thunderous crashing of servers and people getting stuck in chokepoints
>classic is going to have far fewer servers than any retail region and more chokepoints than any expansion since TBC

This!
I want my Barrens Chat as shitty as it was back then.

THAT'S IT. IF I DON'T GET A FEM HUMAN GF SOON I'M GONNA FREAK

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ah yes server 6, shard 17, layer 2, phase b, mining node 30.... home

Eddy would play a rogue and would be painting green times blue trying to scam people

based

forgot pic

She is literally the toppest of top tier.Too bad they had to nerf her tits.

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>server crashes
>100 year long queues
>even if you do actually manage to get on you still have to queue up for quest objectives and spawns
It didn't "ruin the game" back in TBC and Wrath because people knew there was literally no other option. They have the ability to manage it better now but fags like you that have been taking the "layerung is badXD" shitpost in these threads seriously.

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so if i want to be a chad knight i should roll warrior?

Pretty much the twitch community

and why should they compromise the systems of classic wow in order to make this one any different? if they're too incompetent to have a single server with dynamic spawns not crash then let it crash, you'll fucking get over it just like everyone did on every single other launch in existence

Yes, but their leveling experience is painful for a whole different reason. The class is only chad once you hit 60 and get raid gear, before that if you pull two mobs at once you're going to die and you have to eat after every single fight

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holy shit you must be maximum jelly if you cant let go of this. me and my friends are like 4 people, not enough to make a guily, so making friends along the way to 60 is like essential for a cool guild. you have that retail cucked mindset and will never go home. sad.

Nostalrius had like 800k+ accounts with 300k+ on launch before they were forced to take it down by Blizzard.

>compromise the systems of classic wow
>lol just add dynamic spawns and change the systems of classic wow
Fuck off.

xD I want sharding in classic wow because queue bad xD have fun on bfa retard

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>mfw it was mankrik all along who killed his wife because she cheated on him with a quilboar chad

number of accounts is irrelevant since you could just keep making more accounts if you wanted at no cost

dynamic spawns were in on vanilla launch in 2004, nice try
twitter.com/Grummz/status/1131426701517312001?s=20

>he's playing undead instead of orc
bruh moment

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Dynamic servers on pservers is automatic based on zone population and affects profession nodes as well, I think he mean they just cranked it up for the first feek weeks.

>people enjoying vanilla wow
STOP HAVING FUCKING FUN!!!!! I"M JADED AND CAN'T RECAPTURE THE SPARK OF ADVENTURE SO YOU CAN'T EITHER!!!!!! JUST FUCKING STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

i feel bad for suckers getting memed into rolling engineering for their gay little pvp trinkets. enjoy fighting over mining nodes while i'm farming my infinitely spawning cloth and selling bags for the entire expansion

That is not dynamic spawns. That is just them boosting spawn rate by a flat amount.

It is beyond me how people think like you do. Layering is a suitable comprimise for a short period of time that actually lets you play the game, and then they fucking remove it.
You have to be an absolute retard of the highest order to think not being able to play a game you've paid for is better than being able to play it.

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>PvP was best when there literally wasn't an underlying system for it
How the fuck do you write this and not have an aneurysm?

I think it's because mages wear cloth and I've heard mages get called sock head before.

No amount of shitposting on Yea Forums can kill my hype

I was a mediocre player, but I was a god-tier flagcarrier in Warsong. People knew me. People would try to hunt me down. I even remember the only hunter who was so good, that he regularly caused me problems to get the flag to base.

Horde players would salute me when they saw me in the world. Granted, it was a PVP server that alot of people transferred to, so it was easy to become "known" if you were good.

I even showed up on pvp videos from my server back then (getting rekt) as proof of the players skill.

I'm not referring to private servers and regardless of what term is used they increased the spawn rates from normal

you're the one responding endlessly in envy that someone isn't a basement dwelling faggot like yourself. Sorry child :/

>Classic WoW isn't even out yet
>25% of the server leaves anyway
kek enjoy your non-existant server

Not to mention femorcs are the most based choice for females on horde side.

you make me sad.

>those hairstyle choices
>even if you pick the shaved ponytail there is still black on your head due to graphical glitches

yikes

there aren't many good hairstyles for femorcs

false, i still remember names from my vanilla time, i remember that one human mage who would always fucking show up ganking people

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try to use this opportunity to not ruin everything with min maxing, just pick what you like
If everybody would min max the game would have 97% of people running the same 3 classes with the same 3 specs, do not add to that shit

>id rather play a shitty game than wait to play a better one without sharting
yep you're retarded

I see, so it is our fault that you use the wrong terms, and then we stupidly make the mistake of understanding the terms you use as what they are, instead of guessing what you actually sort of thought.

>playing anything but troll
Ya fucked up mon

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Booty Bay, home...

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judging from the stress test, you'll still have to queue up for spawns, or just grind mobs. If you can find any..

you literally proved his point.
>nobody had rep outside their guilds other than meme world pvpers.

I didn't misunderstand anything what's the end difference if dynamic spawns are in or blizzard tweaking them manually if in the end it results in enough mobs being in the area? you're just arguing semantics, they increased spawn rates, that's blizzlike.

lol people who like video games are so lame lol theyre not even smart dont they know smart people are actually depressed losers who hate everything??? fucking normies

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/sweats

S...Sister Beaumont... don't you think you should wear less.... revealing attire?

>shitty game
It's literally the same game you aspie clown. The layers are even the same size of the original servers.
Feel free to wait though until phase 2. You'll be starting along with all the other retards that couldn't handle the idea of layering. You could make your own guild.

based

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Having heavy competition for spawns in the starting areas on launch is fine since everyone is the same level so it's to be expected.
Not even being able to play is not.

>completely plan gear and specs for months for Druid
>watch Hunter stream for 2 minutes, burning desire to play Hunter deep inside me
fuck, what do bros?

So instead people would just stand in place killing the same mob over and over again.

>vanilla is the same game with sharding
you're right and it's also the same game with lfg and lfr so better add those in too, retard.

I am happy that some people will wait until phase 2 before they start playing. That means less competition in the starting zones for mobs/quests.

Hunter is a great money generating alt.

I played alliance rogue and it's not just minmaxing to be unable to use like 4 abilities vs every orc

Absolutely based. I'm holding a lecture on the Holy Light and how it should be embraced by our people in the Ruins and you simply must join me!

Thats literally the opposite of me.
>plan hunter for 6 months
>every single detail from (1) recipes to spawn coordinates
>friends (20+) decide they wanna play horde
>watch Nerf Druids 3 for the 100th time
>wanna play druid

YEAH MON

explain, also what race ally rogue do you recommend

I will roll male human rogue like my first character

I wish I could clean and patch up her face and tell her how the Holy Light still grants us power because it loves us, and although it hurts -alot- to us it, it should still remain a staple of our faith.

druids are shit, play rogue

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Nice strawman, you absolute faggot. Them using layering to make launch go smoothly is nothing like them adding in lfg and lfr.

ya, thats why I think the layering stuff is necessary. I just hope that its actually removed by phase 2 and not postponed because the demand for classic is higher than they think.

orc rogues resist cheapshot and kidney punch more because of their racial, it's kind of a pain. They're ugly as fuck though so there's way more undeads than orcs.

fuck those no shoes niggers, they have stun resist because they're too stupid and have retard strength.

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sharding is one of the worst aspects of retail wow aswell as lfr and lfg, no straw man you're just retarded

They'll defo remove it since they basically have to. Everyone who is ok with layering is only ok on the basis that it will be gone eventually, so if they turn around and not remove it they'll lose everyone. It's not like retail where they can feed the players shit and they'l lap it up, they're dealing with a playerbase that knows exactly what it wants and won't hesitate to leave.

>trolls have the mohawk but speak like niggers
>tauren are literally subhuman animals but got the cool native american culture
why couldnt the tauren be the niggers mon

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>manually
the wow classic team is barebones as it is, dont expect too much from them

"meme pvpers" is a meaningless statement, world pvp is a core part of the game, unless you're a faggot who plays on pve server in which case who gives a fuck what you think, you're not playing the real game anyway

bros why do orc male shoulders look so much better than female orc shoulders

dwarf is the only good race for pvp as rogue, still worse than orc though
>kind of a pain
you never played alliance rogue if it's just a tiny pain
they wear shoes

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Good thing classic will have none of those then.

lfr is literally irrelevant in all circumstances. And lfg only matters during leveling.

I mained a nelf rogue in vanilla and a human rogue in tbc.

Just going to stick with retail.

god orc rogues look so fucking stupid. such a shame they get a great set of racials for rogue

right because it's totally not sharding if you make it bigger and give it a different name, shill

I mean, with how easy most of the vanilla raids are, i can't see how even LFR would be able to dumb it down further.

it's literally going away before dire maul comes out but ok

>nelf rogue
bruh moment
what the cringe

that is what a guild is for silly

Right because you are totally not your mum just because you are bigger and have a different name, shill

Are you just a fucking parrot? You hear something is bad and just repeat it without knowing the reason? Retail sharding is shit because it's zone-dynamic. It moves you around constantly to try and balance zone populations amongst the server cluster you are in so you see other players as well as always having mobs to kill. This is BAD because it completely killed off the idea of server community when you could walk into a zone beside another player and phase out from them.
Layering is across the entire fucking map. You could travel with another player who isn't in your party to every single corner of the world and never not see them. The only way to move from your layer is to already know someone not in your layer, and have the, invite you to a group with multiple other people on their own layer. After you leave that party, you go back to you own.
I think the only thing that's come from this is finding out you're a genuine sheep to shitposting.

Because Blizzard gave up and just slapped the Darkspear in the barrens instead of expanding on them. I like Tauren too though.

it's like if you took the mountain from GoT and dressed him up like arya with thin leather and tiny knives. stupid. he's fucking huge, he belongs in full plate

I believed this until I saw streamers on the beta and literally cheered when they managed to fight passed the Defias NPCs in Moonbrook

Classic WoW has something that makes it a better RPG than most other MMOs. I don't quite know what that is, but every streamer has pretty much confirmed it is much more fun that BFA.

Will people stick around after they level cap? I don't know, but getting there is a great adventure on its own.

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You fags are all going to learn that Blizzard was 100% right when they said you think you do but you don't and I am going to laugh my ass off.

The moment streamers get involved is the moment everything goes to shit.

>retail sharding is bad because it's zone dynamic
didn't have to read any further, wrong, retail sharding is bad because you're separated from people who you are standing in the same exact spot as while being on the same server

i love tauren but its the worst character model to play with unless you love playing bighuge guys, i much prefer troll model and animations

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You'll probably stop laughing when you have to dilate since i'm guessing thats pretty uncomfortable

And this is why you are a retarded retard. You just assumes you already know everything about everything, while you actually know nothing about anything.

yes 300k out of those 800k were playing on launch which is very impressive for a private server to maintain

Imagine playing an inferior game from 20 years ago and deluding yourself into thinking it's "Fun."

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it's a shame you didn't read any further because you'd have seen that the point you just made is exactly the point I made, mongloid

Why does this walking corpse have such heaving breasts?

imagine being unable to have fun playing video games and instead spending your time posting about other people having fun on video games on a message board dedicated to video games

which is the exact problem with layering, mongoloid

See you in a month when you get bored of this trash, normie

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Off topic but does the WoW lore ever address Forsaken and "relationships"?

Like does it matter if they're "pristine" undead like Sylvanas or badly damaged corpses like most Forsaken.

Asking for a friend.

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lol, you're still going to be posting about how hilarious it is that people are playing video games and having fun? kinda sad

The Lich Kind liked them better that way.

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Forsaken literally can't feel non-negative emotions so theres never been a reason for one to have a relationship

Go complain that you can't see everyone on every server at all times somewhere else.

sex doesn't exist in warcraft

you're never going to get back to 2004 user, just let go

It REALLY is a shame that you didn't read any further because I also went on to explain how layering is different.
How can you expect people to not think you have shit for brains when you openly admit to not reading something that address your concerns and then still complain about them?

>Forsaken literally can't feel non-negative emotions so theres never been a reason for one to have a relationship
Literally play one forsaken character and level him up to 20 while reading quest text and come back to me.

And you're never going to get your penis back, so I guess we're both out of luck

paladin who was in the best naxx guild on my server and quit shortly into TBC.

pve dps is frankly mediocre at best. you will out damage most easily if you put in the time and effort to get pre-BiS and consumables, but in serious guilds where everyone is expected to pull their weight instead of just being a body capable of following instructions, the damage doesn't hold up.
PvP you shit on absolutely everyone with equivalent gear but holy priests and resto druids who are your worst nightmares because they will simply outlast you.

Prot is doable. You could use it to get offspec gear but honestly you can just do it as holy and less people will get pissy. also collecting gear for three entirely different roles is really annoying.

Holy is guaranteed group and raid spots. easily. blessings are incredibly useful and flash of light rank 1 is overpowered as fuck. Divine intervention keeps morale fairly high on wipes too.

I know how layering is different than doesn't mean it doesn't have the same problems dipshit, you aren't explaining anything that anyone doesn't already know, there is no misunderstanding of what layering is, it's continent wide sharding and if I have an interaction with a guild or player one day I can logout or come back the next day on a different shard and never see them in the world

Nu-wow 1-20 where forsaken are mustache twiling villains/comic releif characters or classic 1-20 where they're sociopathic zombies letting go of their former lives

>people didn't have a server reputation outside of this one area that did give people reputations that i am deliberately excluding because it invalidates my point

uh huh

BC and Wrath were better

plague sacs

>>pve dps is frankly mediocre at best
Ret was supposed to go here.

So you would rather have 1000 servers and play with 5 other people after 2 weeks if you happened to end on one for the 950 dead ones?

Classic WoW where a lot of them are struggling to let go of their former lives, often times seeking out former lovers or taking revenge on people for killing their former lovers.
Not even that guy, but you don't need to hit enter twice on this website to skip a line.

It's not that they can't feel non-negative emotions. It's just that all their emotions are dampened.
They're humour is dry, they don't mourne loss, they don't feel fear, they don't become emotionally attached to things (even their own bodies) more than they need to.
Pretty BASED race, desu

>Not even that guy, but you don't need to hit enter twice on this website to skip a line.


what does that have to do with anything


?

autoloot was in vanilla though, just bound to a button.

Yes because I am autistic and was never going to play the game anyway and I want the game to fail because other people having fun while I can't is unacceptable to me.

Dwarf racial is unironically the most powerful in the game

>clips.twitch.tv/PatientGloriousMomTBTacoRight
what the fuck

holy shit how many asstards are gonna ask the same fucking question over and over again in the fucking same thread kill yourself low iq monkey

The exact same thing happened in fucking classic. With 3000 players on a server, you met people who you'd literally never see again all the time. Join their guild or add them to your friends list if you want to play with them again like everyone had to do back then.

as much as i love pallys in later expax, dont do it in vanilla. unless you want to be the only plate healer, which is ok.

yes I'd rather there be more high pop servers than ending up in a 15k pop one because blizzard let way too many players in the server with layers that by the time they get removed we have a bigger queue than we did at launch

honestly, peole who didnt play classic should be not allowed to play classic, this is so fucking tiresome

>*regenerates hp in your path*

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Wrath was indeed better and half of my support for classic is based on them saying they might make TBC and Wrath servers in the future if classic is a success

I agree. So you, get the fuck out.

i never asked you a question and you're not responding to any question

>paladins
>plate

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>rogue cuck opens one my chad dwarfness
>pop racial
>hunters mark
>/lol as he runs away crying while my pet mauls him
God it's going to be fun.

you leveled so fucking slow and despite everyone thinking vanilla servers were overpolulated beyond the starting zones you actually met the same autists over and over again while leveling and eventually added them as friends and grouped with them for dungeons, maybe starting a guild.

why? I mean its good but why the best

no u, im 35 and actually played vanlla, right from the get go, ill fuck u in the ass zoomer

thanks

and the other 99.9% of people you saw you never met again.

>Removes all poison, disease, curse, magic, and bleed effects and reduces all physical damage taken by 10% for 8 sec.

doesn't say anything about stuns, how is that gonna help you with a cheap shot into kidney shot

you gotta be a grindchad and drop the virgin questing if you want to get ahead

not him but being able to break blind and other poisons is pretty kino

I honestly hope they do. Just dont make them the same servers though so people can continue playing what xpac they want. Give free char copies for those who want to progress to the next.

whops read that as "what is the fucking problem with layering" my bad. have free internet points for your trouble

>fighting a troll
>hit him with my axe
>150 damage
>"hahaha, take that you tusked idio-"
>he heals for 5
>i only did 145 damage
>mfw

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Right to Dignity
>Plaadins shall not be obliged to wear the teal dress and the purple flower offhand

Imagine if they actually made the regenation good.

>trinket kidney
>trap him
>if he trinkets, scattershot>aimed shot
Bye bye little roguelet.

*blocks your path*

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desu my memories of playing undead rogue were
>paladin? fuck that
>hunter? fuck that
>OOH a drinking mage *ambush*
why pick fights i'm gonna lose

Aimed Shot isn't going to kill a rogue though. You need a Wing Clip in there too to kite him after.

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Exactly. That's why it's so nice because hunterchads kill almost everyone.

one of the things that sort made playing mage fun was the intense hatred of rogues and constantly trying to deal with them since they always targeted you

Yes but he popped FAP to be kite-immune, hes about to ranged stun you with grenade, and his vanish is still up.

Hunters only beat rogues if they know they're there.

yea but the hunter is a melee chad and just spams raptor counter and wingclip for the easy frag

Why do people sexualize rotting corpses? Fucking weird as hell

It is just of sad how rogues only ever seem to win if they have all their cds up twice and are using every single engineering trick in the book. Just to beat a keyboard turning hunter.

>not sexualizing everything
You're missing out.

*dodge*
*dodge*
*miss*
*dodge*
*parry*
*dodge*
*dodge*
*dodge*
*eats a full duration kidney shot*
*dead*

It's literally an automatic loss for hunters.

yeah but with every cd they can beat you ass naked.

then i would play troll shield slam warr

you're jewed as fuck mate, clear your head

how does a rogue get out of a ice trap alive

I dont play wow. what does retail players mean?

>he fell for nofap

Imagine expecting people to go easy on you in PvP.

kek

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yep, dual wielding hunter with explosive trap, wing clap and raptor and mongoose spam will burst a rogue and warrior faster

the most important tip I can give if you're raiding as holy is have multiple ranks of flash of light and holy light on your bars and get a good feel for how much they each do in comparison to the damage being taken.

with good gear you can basically spam rank 1 FoL nonstop, but if the tank starts taking a bit more damage you need to temporarily up the ranks or switch to holy light. which you do depends on just how much damage they are taking and if it was a spike or is constant.

>/sit crit doesn't work in classic
Oooooh no no no no! Sorry warrlets maybe next time.

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*scatter traps your evasion*
*pops deterrence*
nothing personnel kiddo

i'm not nofap, but sexualising everything makes it so you can't actually function day to day, it's extremely unhealthy mentally

People who will be playing the current expansion instead of Classic.

aka faggot autist virgins

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Dodging procs mongoose bite similar to overpower on warriors.

*trinket*
*gouge pet*
*full heals during your deterrence*
*Sinister Strike crits for half your HP*
Omae wa mo shinde iru.

you can't trinket a hunter trap sorry but you already lost to my dual samurai swords

Lol have fun mongoose biting the entire fight while you eat every stun in existence.

why dont you call them expansion players?

man there was literally nothing more satisfying as a warlock in pvp than doting up a hunter and then trying to keep yourself in their dead zone while they died of aids. Some of my fondest pvp memories are of mind-gaming people's movement rather than full on duels.

>*full heals during your deterrence*
???

there's like 8 expansions

>activates intimidation
nothing personal, kid

>not sexualizing rotting corpses
>2019
Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you

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youtube.com/watch?v=2O4FA16PU44

wtf?!?!?!?!

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This is the cringiest fucking thing you could have posted.

Please go back to your basement.

>battlegrounds come out
>ruin game
every time
nice job blizzard

not canon

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Wetlands, Menethil Harbour

pcgamer.com/meet-world-of-warcrafts-most-notorious-ganker/

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trinket is only for charm fear and poly for rogues in vanilla, and deterrence is basically evasion but for hunters, they can attack during it in vanilla

go dilate

>tfw warlock trinket doesn't work against stuns
Who did this?

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use succubus you fucking mook

i'll be slaying horde twitch zoom zooms & trannys that are rollin horde en masse

>succ not void

You're an idiot if you think succubus isn't /the/ pet to use in 99% of situations.

>not wanting the succ

right next to asmongold I bet

have sex

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Ill take the sacrifice shield over a charm.

I thought we just established that the rogue trinket works for charm.

1 of like 20 or so, look at the streamer youtube/videos that get posted here daily. All horde. Good luck with the zooms

Download addon to track CCs, when cheap shot timer = ~1.6, have succubus seduce. rogue will have to use trinket which activates GCD and you can deathcoil him off of you and tenderize his butthole.

How about you just roll on a server that's not associated with one of the top streamers?

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you know the succ can charm a rogue while youre stunned right?

what if you dont have full naxx gear and can one shot someone before the coil ends? Charm shares DR with fear.

Then how would I give gold to Asmongoloid?

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I guess you can't but you could just donate more to his stream.

>charm rogue
>he trinkets and blinds succubus
gg ez
>sac void when KS is about to end
>DC+corr rogue
gg ez

onions

>the warlock doesnt have a charm
>the warlock doesnt have 2 fears
>the warlock doesnt have fucking infinite hp
>the warlock doesnt have instant demon summon
>the warlock doesnt have a soulstone and a healthstone
>the warlock...
only scrub locks get ganked by rogues, literally

You know what? Just don't play warlock if you're a fucking moron. Easy as that.
Enjoy that extra shield for 4 seconds as your 15% damage reduction will surely help.

Did you forget the walock has a trinket too?

Shut the fuck up and stay out of this conversation. Warlock trinket is garbage.

a trinket that only works against charm fear and polymorph.

t. zandalari troll main

Go away, only rogues have cooldowns and engineering.

If you could spend the night with the corpse of 1 WoW girl who would it be?

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You think you don't but you do.

>sac void
>you no longer has a pet, the rogue blinds you and gets a free restealth
yeah that seems real smart.

You literally could have made up all those names to affirm your point. You have no proof and I have no reason to believe you. I played Vanilla and this wasn't the case on my server (Bloodscalp US Alliance). Nobody gave a shit about "reputation", even when someone ninja looted the worst they would get is a forum post and then people would resume not giving a shit.

How hard are you all going to be laughing when zoomers realizes they have to pay for the game and a sub?

>fel dom
>instant summon

obviously i would choose sylvanas' cold dead pussy

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play an orc warlock then, problem solved

Jaina Proudmoore, so she can freeze me to death after.

*bubble hearths while spinning and /lol@you in your path*

How do you fel dom when you're at the end of your stun and before he casts an instant spell? Fel dom isn't even instant summon, it can be kicked.

>free restealth
>instant corruption during DC
yeah just restealth with that DoT on you.
any warlock will throw a CoA in there too.

bro if you fucking need help to beat a rogue as fucking soul link spec you need to stop smoking meth

Same way you restealth while dotted up

*talks shit on the realm forums*
Checkmate Alliance bitches.

>voidwalker in anything outside of solo pve content
omegalaughing

Why sac the void at all if you're popping DC? DC-Corr-Fear, then you can CoA, SB and immo and he's hurting.

>zombie girl fetish
>don't have to warm up my ona

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When the fuck did the cheapshot>kidney warlock have time to dot you? When he sacrifices the pet, he's blinded right away. If you're death coiling right after the sac then why sac at all?

id even take the succ in solo content since adds are a significant annoyance in classic

you only use voidwalker from levels 10-20. its legitimately bad.

>he thinks the warlock will cast sacrifice, fel dom resummon vw, death coil and corruption before the rogue finds his blind keybind
Yeah ok

>Spend time goofing around on my WotLK local server.
>Get from 1-10 in less than half an hour.
>Play beta last night for 3 hours.
>Barely make it to 7 before I call it a night.

God damn, my brain really did forget how much more effort Vanilla took.

The worst thing is gonna be min-maxers

If you're gonna min-max,please go fuck yourself.

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>took 3 hours to get to 7
You can do 1-12 in 1.5

>be beta warlock with voidcucker
>boss mob has one add
>np, just fear him
>mob runs into 3 others and you die
>be chad succ lock
>facetank the fucking boss while the scc charms the add
>fuck off after looting the boss and resummon the succ