Why aren't they doing anything?

Why aren't they doing anything?

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Because they're still making money.

because they dont have to

Who is 'they?'

Never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself.

About what?

>play games you already have
>no sale

What the hell...eat shit. I am going to the key stores.

I doubt they're going to be making money if every new major release is taken by epic.

You underestimate the power of dumb consumers who will buy literally anything on Steam.

Despite not being moneyprinters like Fortnite, DOTA2 and CSGO will carry them for eternity.

Just wait for GoG 2.0, all your games from every platform will integrate.

Bassed Napoleon.

Why would they? Epic are constantly shitting the bed.

They spent tens of millions since Portal 2 on acquiring talent. I guess Gaben's "let the staff do what ever they want" edict didn't work out.

they probably dont have so much money and are too busy being sjw moral polices

>if every major release is taken by Epic
>being this delusional

They became too complacent, i really wanted Epic to be the slap in the face. All this will do is make Steam even stronger.

funny, how exactly that came back to bite him outside of war.

Epic is doing a good enough job of destroying themselves.

>shitass launcher no one wants to use
>exclusivity deals piss everyone off and make them not use the launcher out of spite
>most of their games are cracked anyway
>revenue split makes them run at a deficit
>are so incompetent that they have to add each and every game manually to the store and push back certain store features
>push processing fees and currency exchange rates on customers
>start a sale without seeking the approval of publishers first so some games are taken off the store entirely
>accidentally send someone's personal information to some random person

The reason Steam charges 30% is because Apple charges 30% in the appStore. Can't put ALL the blame on Gaben.

>if every new major release
the only major release epic has is borderlands 3 and metro to some extent

It's prepping you for the summer sale on june 20th

Steam is on the decline. Over the last year the number of regular users has dropped by something like 2 million. They'd have to be fucking idiots to ignore that.

They don't need to do anything. Steam has the higher ground. Epic is burning through its resources to secure points of interest, but they're losing money REAL QUICK and they still haven't made their user interface viable.

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>Steam is on the decline.

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that's good. Not that I want to buy anything with 180 unplayed backlog games...
Tempted to get EuroTruck 2 now but if I do I feel that I will waste my life and time... Looks addictive af.

kek
If you have to lie to support your argument then you need to reevaluate your position.

That 2017 data is not exactly relevant to comments made about the period spanning 2018 to 2019.

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Steam charts says they peaked at 16.7 million a couple days ago.

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Total in game is peaking at 5 million. A year ago it was peaking at over 7 million. Nobody cares about the number of people who still have steam installed and set to autorun on boot. They care about the number of people actually actively using the software and that number is on the decline.

GAAAAAABE YOU FAT FUCK AAAAAAAAAAH

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JUUUST

That doesn't make sense. This is a capitalist company they want you buy games, playing them is optional.

Wouldn't you like to believe that those 2 million moved to epic, you dumb fucking shill

DESU I was hoping for a Steam sale soon.
Really holding out for Galdius and Darkest Dungeon.

So you don't think sales are proportional to the size of the active userbase?

They are

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Not a single japanese devs succumbed to the epic bribes, I do not know if it is because they hate the Chinese or for other reasons but while Japanese developers continue to release their games in steam i will keep buying their games on that platform in addition to indiesand AA , the reality that the inaction of valve is goingm ot ake a lot of people migrate to the epic store i dont give a fuck about Western titles but but still dont know why they are so quiet do Gaben give a fuck still?

steam isnt one single publisher like blizzard, they dont give a fuck about MAUs especially since steam is a private company without public shareholders. all steam cares about is revenue, not even profits looking at how gaben is keen on investing those back into gaming

>not even profits looking at how gaben is keen on investing those back into gaming

What fantasy world are you living in? And it doesn't matter if you are public company or a private company, a decline in business is cause for alarm for anyone. Are you genuinely retarded or something? What on earth makes you think Valve doesn't care about making money?

They don’t need to. Only people I know that unironically support the epic games store are the people I know that work for epic itself and transsexuals who only support it because Steam isn’t transinclusive enough or whatever.

damn that's super contextual, I did mine with machinarium

>this pic is now 9 years old

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Isn't egs failing spectacularly after the last "sales"?

because epic is already burning

The fact that they previously said they weren't gonna do any site wide sales and then did anyway with perhaps overly generous deals makes me think that they're missing their user targets and are trying desperately to get back on track.

thats exactly whats happening

alarm for who? gaben doesnt need to cater to shareholders he can do whatever the fuck he wants with his company. you might be the retarded one here. if gaben doesnt give a fuck then thats whats hes gonna do, hes already a billionaire he might just sell steam if he gets bored of it

Epic's power level is too low for Steam's scouter to even register

I'm sorry, what exactly is your point? Steam isn't losing users because Gabe is so rich it doesn't matter even if they do? Private companies don't need to generate profit, only public companies do? I think we have definitely established YOU are the retarded one here because the shit you are saying is completely moronic.

>gaming in 90s
>shit getting better all the time
>gaming is awesome

>gaming in near 2020
>shit keeps getting worse
>how is this better
>fuck it just remaster everything

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They poured a ton of hours in their most recent sca-i mean game and everyone hated it. There is factually more money to be made on faggot whales than on retail game sales. Thank God for star citizen making rich people poor. When that game is officially not coming out maybe people will stop giving so much money to retarded bullshit

lmao @ anyone who thinks another origin-tier delivery platform can dethrone the biggest faggot in the industry with 30k games and millions of customers that willingly pay for 0s and 1s. in 10 years the industry landscape might be different but Steam is massive and they aren't going anywhere any time soon, get fucking real

They're doing stuff. It's all top secret though.

>Launchers for launchers for launchers
Oh boy, I can't wait!

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This.

Assuming we are talking about EGS as well.

What is EGS without exclusives? Worse in everyway. Can EGS continue to pay for exclusives, indefinetly? Doubt it.

If they can't reach a take off point before paying for exclusives becomes to expensive, Steam wins. Steam just needs to endure.

dude how retarded can you be to not have noticed how gaben literally wastes money on failed projects all the fucking time, at this point its not unreasonable to think hes not in for the money anymore at this point, just look at how the company structure, its basically family and friends now

>Worse in everyway.

For users of course.

Publishers enjoy them only taking a 12% cut, instead of 30% or 35% on Steam.

The publishers making this decision are morons who never played a video game in their life, and have no clue how Steam or EGS works, or even how to use a computer.

>dota 2 highest prize pool it's ever been
>More people than ever on steam
>PC games are selling like hotcakes

What's the problem exactly?
That artifact didn't do as well as they hoped?

I'd jump back on the artifact train if they actually give me some cosmetic updates or some shit

MTG Arena is fucking gay atm

>exclusivity deals piss everyone off
You're confusing "everyone" with 4channel dot org and Reddit.

Calling the EGS competition is silly, it's just going to end up like origin.

Why only these two sites? Hmm.

nah. normies hate not having everything in one place. its actually only autists and poorfags who use different shops to get the best deals
t.apple product buyer

If Gabe didn't care about making money who would have reduced the Valve tax in response to the competition without a second thought. Of course he cares about making money. And that "wasting money on failed projects" is actually investment in company growth. Contrary to what you believe, private companies do that every bit as much as public companies.
>just look at how the company structure, its basically family and friends now
That bullshit myth was dispelled ages ago. Plenty of ex-Valve employees have talked about it having a fairly traditional power structure and Gabe has flat out said it has one with him at the top multiple times.

So have you actually bought into that cult of personality bullshit or are you just pretending to be retarded?

>being this retarded

Right.

But I don't think publishers being happier (now) is going to be enough to de-throne steam.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

They don't have too it's only competition is shitting the bed on a daily basis.

Because those two sites are where the majority of irritating little gamer teens reside.

gabesns investments are too risky, i doubt hes getting a lot of venture capital from other sources, he probably has to fund most of them out of his own pocket. hes too big to fail at this point so he doesnt have to do those kneejerk reactions that epic does all the time, but you will see soon enough. nothings gonna change on steam and they will still win this shit you guys are just angsty zoomers that havent lived long enough to have seen how this things play out the same every time, take a chill pill and play a game instead of freaking out on taiwanese cooking boards

Imagine how much of a PR nightmare it'd be for the market leader to start doing exclusivity. Valve is right in doing absolutely nothing and calling it goodwill.

Yeah. Apples model is basically "we'll make this as easy as possible so you can be super fucking lazy - you just need to be locked in to only buying our products. This might cost more."

Cut on Steam is tiered down to 20% for high earners.

*two sites I frequent and nothing else

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>I'd play an awful boring game if only it had muh cosmetics.
The absolute state Steam customers. It's sad really.

I just want you know I didn't even bother reading your reply because I already know it will just be something really stupid.

thats basically what steam is for PC gaming. now imagine suddenly the popular apps being android exclusive... you know how applets will react right?

It's incredible how much basic shit their launcher is missing. It doesn't even have a fucking cart. You have to buy things one at a time and if you buy too many things too quickly it prevents you from buying

>created a system by which the "audience" never leaves because they have all their stuff in one place and can earn money to buy more stuff which give them more stuff to get more stuff
>created a system by which the developers pay them to not sell their games
they already did everything. peak capitalism.

They're mostly investing in VR.

why havent you killed yourself yet zoom zoom, life but be hard with autism

>Boring

It's really fun though?
There's just no system of progression and tournies have ended

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That's a false equivalence. You don't need to buy a whole new computer to use the epic store. The apple people have a genuine grievance. The steam people do not. They just have a lack of convenience.

maybe developers should be making betters games instead of blaming a sales platform, retard
there isn't shit to play that isn't mundane hack and slash ass creed or dad of war games coming out of the AAA industry

They are seething at EGS cycling their games

you also dont have to buy a new car to buy at the other supermarket, yet still people want to do all their shopping in one fucking place. youre too autistic to understand normies user, we hate any kind of inconvinience

>a lack of convenience isn't a genuine grievance

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Libertarianism.
Once they make enough money they dont provide support or care anymore.
Just whine about competitors popping up and fanboys continue to dump money into the drm

>end up like origin
Not really, no. Origin and Uplay and whatever other publisher-centric launchers I'm forgetting were simply those publishers wanting to avoid the Gaben Tax. They could give a damn about wanting to actually compete with Valve, they just didn't want to give Gabe Newel 30% of their profits in return for hosting a CDN.

Epic though, is an entirely different animal. They want to compete directly with Valve and they're using the exact same tactics Valve did (buying up franchises/IPs/small dev studios and making them exclusive to their platform) to grow their installed base. It's making gaymers' heads explode and I can't get enough of it.

Cannot fucking wait to see what they announce during the upcoming trade shows. RDR2 an Epic exclusive? You can bet on that. GTAVI as well? More than likely. This is just getting started and I suspect the frothing gamer rage will produce years worth of entertainment.

>we hate any kind of inconvinience
Basically this.

Publishers aren't too happy with an undisclosed sale that they were involuntarily forced into causing their games to be sold at well below market value and then being taken off of the store temporarily during a time when people's wallets are already greased because of the sale.

steam customer service is still arguable the best when it comes to pc gaming tho, with the exception of maybe GoG

>Ahegao.gif

The 30% thing baffles me as a sticking point. I work in an entertainment industry as well and get my product into the marketplace through a distributor. Their cut of all sales, physical or digital, is 30%. This is not Steam being big bad greedy, this is a standard distribution cut.

imagine your walmart wouldnt sell kellogs cornflakes anymore and the dude in line behind you just goes "target is still selling them, why dont you go there shopping later instead of whining" i would kill that motherfucker and burn down the walmart

>hey want to compete directly with Valve and they're using the exact same tactics Valve did (buying up franchises/IPs/small dev studios and making them exclusive to their platform) to grow their installed base.

But can they sustain it long enough to take off?
Seems questionable.

I don't think you understand the situation. It's not 2 million have stopped playing PC games because there's only boring, bland AAA shit, it's that they've just stopped using steam because steam doesn't have boring, bland AAA shit. It has indie crap and not much else. People are moving to competitors who have the shit they want. Did you know, for example, the origin exclusive anthem is one of the highest selling games this year? That it broke EA's digital distribution records? You guys just live in this bubble where your personal opinion is "what everyone thinks", don't you?

yeah but do you think retards know that?
epic is gonna spin all this non problem shit against steam

GabeN doesn't give a flying fuck about gaming anymore. Steam still generates large amounts of money that's all he's interested in

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They are, they're saying "No" to Lolis. So I say "No" to valve.

5 shekels have been deposited into your account, keep up the good work

Yeah, I'd roll my eyes and just not buy cornflakes. Lost sale for Kellog and Walmart.

I googled "what is Gaben working on" and found this.
youtube.com/watch?v=m18dG_U6C80

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>yet still people want to do all their shopping in one fucking place
Haha, clearly you've never shopped for groceries once in your fucking like. Leave your mom's basement once in awhile.

geaben is hooked to a prototype next gen VR machine 24/7 now, all he cares about is making his machine more powerful and more realistic now

Yes but apple makes the hardware and the software and the appstore and the developer tools and the ....

What the fuck does Steam do?

kid, once you grow up you will realize you dont have the time to go shopping all over the place, stfu and do your homework zoomer

>You don't need to buy a whole new computer to use the epic store
Yeah but I have to press the Windows key and type the name of the game I want to play, then press enter. Way to complicated and inconvenient.

>thats basically what steam is for PC gaming.
How? Nothing costs more on steam than it does in retail stores.

>"Oh no more people have a reason to buy my games, and it's for less money that Epic is making up for aah the horror."
Publishers are braindead cunts if they think the sale was bad.

>apple makes the hardware and the software
just because steam machines failed doesnt mean gaben didnt try. you need the brand power to actually sell chink shit with your sticker slapped on it

Epic will win because developers(or publishers) have incentive to choose a store with a lower cut. Combined that with Epic's warfund from Fortnite not running out anytime soon and they'll continue to scoop up exclusives for as long as they need to because the payoff is worth the upfront costs.

Steam won't die, but it's on the decline.

>Publishers are braindead cunts
Well...

>just because steam machines failed doesnt mean gaben didnt try

Steam machines were not equivalent to what Apple does. Valve didn't manufacture them. They didn't standardize the hardware. They did fucking nothing but charge a fee to third party manufacturers to stick a valve branding on their generic pre-builds.

Yes, and Epic bucking that trend is disrupting the PC gaming digital distribution landscape.
>Everyone takes 30%
>Epic takes much less
This is a major sticking point and I cannot fathom how anyone can just handwave it away.

They are literally re-writing the rules.

They're too busy improving Linux

- Improving Wine+DXVK
- Integrating them into Steam through "Proton"
- Talking with anti-cheat companies to stop blocking Linux/Wine users

They hired the main DXVK developer doitsujin, you can go talk directly to him on Disocrd he's just some guy with an anime avatar.

etc.

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I'd sooner ban all australians from the internet rather than fucking chinks

Doesn't Valve make VR Headsets and Controllers?

If the Epic store can sell their exclusives at a successful number then by all means they should be doing okay. Problem is, the exclusivity only assures the publisher a windfall of a million(please correct me if it’s changed) dollars with an exclusive buyout, regardless of how many copies actually sell on their platform.

The only reason anybody cares about the epic store is because they keep buying exclusives for it with all their fortnite money
They are better much going to be screwed if/when fortnite starts to slow down or decline

I don't know about the controller but the VR headset is made by HTC.

apple doesnt manufacture iphones either, they contract the parts from chinese companies. they dont make the OS either they are just leeching off free software like linux and bsd

Have sex.

>they dont make the OS either they are just leeching off free software like linux and bsd
Interesting.

they don't need to do anything
epic is already killing itself

The iphone is their intellectural property. They also wrote the operating system that the phone runs on and host all of the apps on their appstore. They provide developer tools and a payment system and other things you can seamlessly integrate into your app when you publish on iOS.

Compare that to something like Steam which is literally just a storefront. It's digital DRM on the PC, when the PC has had ways to share games for free since the 80s. Why in the fuck should anybody give 30% to a store just for the privilege of being listed with the millions of other shovelware titles when you can distribute you game for free.

The PC doesn't need a storefront. It isn't controlled by a company like Apple.

With kids, now, we shop around, yeah.
Back when I was single it was all in one place even if some things were more expensive.
Which do you think Steam customers are more like?

Eh, Epic is kind of proving why the standard market share is where it's at. Prices are fucked in places to make up for lower prices elsewhere, they push payment processing fees onto the users instead of just eating it themselves, and they basically have zero manpower working on actually improving the store since 90% of their staff is working on Fortnites fucking insane update schedule.

The few people that ARE left to actually work on the store have to divide their time between adding games, making sure the store is actually running properly, and actually updating it.

well everthing you said applies to steam machines. their OS was based on free software just like apples, and their hardware was manufactured by other companies, just designed by valve and their partners. no diffrence here

Hosting. They have their own private backbone that touches major ISPs in every major nation for distribution. Steamworks uses this as a DDoS intervention method as well as a routing cluster to help reduce latency where direct routes would otherwise be worse (this is provided for free via Steamworks API) as well as mod support via the workshop and community support through friends/forums/groups/etc... They have dozens of charge systems globally so that users can choose their preferred payment method. They also offer support 24/7 for devs and customers both, with a good resolution time and rate.

Among other things.

>The PC doesn't need a storefront.
It has multiple now. Like dozens.

>every major release
at best they only have metro and borderlands three and thats a stretch considering both are limited timed exclusives and everybody and their mother knows metro didn't sell well on epic (and before you even bring up the le 2.5 times better argument that was due to the game they are comparing it to being a literal who at the time with next to no advertising)

But at least Apple designs their hardware and controls manufacture. Valve didn't even do that.
>they dont make the OS either they are just leeching off free software like linux and bsd
Their OS is based on NeXTSTEP. The OS was developed by NeXT, the company Steve Jobs founded after he was fired from Apple.

It’s a fucking shame too because I wanted Metro and Borderlands.

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>Hosting. They have their own private backbone that touches major ISPs in every major nation for distribution.

Nope. Valve has outsourced hosting to Akamai. They don't do any of that shit themselves.

pirate them then

Can't wait for more anti-cheat software that bans on a regular basis. TF2 is infested for years.

>but muh 30%
why do we still have to pay 60$ for a game on EGS then?
doesn't matter how much the store takes if games are still going to cost the same
it just makes epic and publishers look like greedy kikes

steam tried, just like microsoft phones and google laptops etc, for whatever reason only apple could cuck people into a walled garden system, everyone else failed so far. point is those companies might just invested as much money as apple did and still failed. also
>pc doesnt need a storefront
with games going digital you need it, even consoles are going digital

I “wanted” them. Then after Randy Bobandy’s tirade on Twitter pissing on people that wouldn’t buy BL I stopped wanting it. Now I’m waiting on Atomic Heart.

I seriously wonder how apple could do it and others couldn’t. Was it just brand recognition?

I think so. They have the Fortnite money, and they have the willpower. Understand that Epic's guaranteed revenue agreements are not the only thing drawing publishers to their platform. It's not entirely the "bribery" angle, it's taking less money from the pockets of publishers that's raising eyebrows across the industry.

Epic is in a tough competition against a juggernaut that borders on monopoly status (I'm not saying it is a monopoly, because it's not) with a 150 million installed base and a consumer culture that can be likened to a cult, what with their worship of the Valve CEO as some sort of meme deity. I would compare Valve to Apple in that regard and I think Gabe Newel's reality distortion field is more warping than anything Steve Jobs could have dreamed of. It's going to be a difficult path, but Epic is not going to back down.

They're in it for the long haul one could say. I suspect that in several years, PC gamers will have totally forgotten about these Launcher Wars similar to how we forgot about Valve forcing everyone to install their digital distribution and DRM platform that required an Internet connection if they wanted to play a single-player game called Half-Life 2. Valve is going to continue to double-down on Linux gaming and VR and keep shirking any quality control responsibility while taking significantly more money from publishers than their competition does. That's cool and it's their prerogative and their money. They can cater to the 0.8% and 0.9% of PC gamers who like those things. But one of these two's business models is not sustainable in the long term and it sure isn't Epic's.

valve didnt want to risk too much money so they left the first step to other brands like razer, just as google did. it worked out for google and android but steam machines just didnt have enough recognition

>atomic heart
im sorry friend but that game is literally not gonna happen
the guys in charge on that one have no idea what videogames are

>implying the shitty fortnight money will last

those games arent worth ur time anyway user, dont piss away your precious time on shit like that, you probably havent played the top 100 pc games of all time yet

If Minecraft is still raking in money 10 years later. Fortnite definitely will

they probably lucked out on a few genious guys in the marketing team, theres no way to explain it otherwise, apple isnt that great to deserve its market position

Shitposting asides, what would take to shake the bases of Steam, like in terms of a huge fuck up by Steam's part?

fortnite will die as soon as they run out of new content to add
which cant be that much

Miracles happen user. It’s not a top Hope but it’s a welcome in waiting

minecraft has the benefit of mods
fortnight is just a shitty battleroyal which will die as soon as the next big thing comes out

i like the clashing concepts and the weirdness about it but i doubt we will ever see it

Well they did actually change their profit sharing margins to give developers a bigger cut in large releases.
Other than that they don’t need to do much

They've been busy working on the Steam Chat app (just released) and Proton for Linux (just updated). Their VR headset is out soon.

How exactly are they doing nothing? Because they're not doing an Epic and buying exclusives? Mordhau is a big selling Unreal Engine game and it is not on Epic. The Master Chief Collection is coming to Steam. Why would they need to do anything?

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Also don't forget keys, Valve gets nothing from that. Which includes Humble Bundle by the way.

Give it time. They’ll probably add RPG elements or mini games
>Shitty
Debatable given it’s success. Rest I agree on.
Don’t shit in my Cheerios user. Let me hold on to one of the only games I want

>but epic themselves said they were fucking epic bro, why dont you trust them?

>but steam machines just didnt have enough recognition
It's got nothing to do with recognition. Valve offered nothing but a branded generic pre-built. There's no reason to get it over any other generic pre-built or a computer you build yourself. Literally none. It was amazingly low effort crap for how much money they have to blow. Google actually did offer something you couldn't get from anyone else, i.e. hardware they designed and an OS and software to run on it.

Unless you mean TF2 crate keys. That shit still sells

The jews.

i feel its better to throw your expectations on the floor and setting them on fire
things can only get from that point

Yeah, someone made a breakdown (ArsTechnica?) and Valve's effective cut is 10% lower due to free key generation.

T H E M

>hardware they designed and an OS and software to run on it.
and they still failed. i agree steam didnt try hard enough but to me it looks like they had little hope thats why they only probed the market to begin with. apart from apple nobody can it seems

They don't need to, Epic is shitting all other themselves

>the last time I started Windows was when Apex came out to try it out
And even before that I wasn't using it at all, I should really just uninstall it. Especially that considering the updates I missed it would take hours to even start using it.

I do that with so many games already, I just want to look forward to something again

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i like the song remix they made though

>and they still failed

You think the android platform has failed? On what planet do you live?

why would they?

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"They" just released a Spring event. First time Toejam and Earl went on sale, so I'm happy with it.

The free badge and items it comes with are fine, can't complain about free stuff.

Because the only winning move is to not play.

>No comment on PC sales
Big think.

i wasnt talking about android, i was talking aboput those google laptops with their own OS (forgot the name of both) apart from pixel phones google doesnt make android hardware and from the software side, well its just a pimped linux so...

It would take a massive fuck up or for some store to be so vastly superior people jump ship, it would likely take both occurring around the same time for steam to even be considered dead. However despite its short comings, Valve is smart enough to not attempt anything that can cause a fuck up and so far all Epic managed to do is keep fucking up.

>apart from pixel phones google doesnt make
android hardware

Google designs the reference hardware. Everyone just takes those and makes modifications.

epic is really ruining their reputation with all their disgusting marketing fuck-ups and in the end thats what normies value the most, brand reputation. soom people will be? epic? fuck no, those people are mysogynistic transphopic racist assholes! steam all the way baby, gaben did nothing wrong! gaben knows, when you have nothing positive to say, say nothing.

Right, because Epic accepts Lolis.

>Valve is smart enough to not attempt anything that can cause a fuck up

You mean apart from all the game bannings and censorship shit right after they said they wouldn't do that anymore?

well you could argue that would have been the next step in steam machines, if valve didnt have references anyway because i think they did, all steam machines came with the same kind of hardware for low/medium/high specs or something. sure it might have not been as deep as google is now, but the first step for android was probably the same back then. apple probably did the same too really they dont make their own graphic cards or cpus afaik, but they limit the amount of different models their machines come with. if we look at vavles VR right now which seems to fare somewhat better we can see they are clearly taking the same steps here

That's for their media on Steam, not for their games.

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If you think that's considered a fuck up by anyone's standards but yours and your fellow pedophiles' I feel bad for you.

as opposed to buying on epic, cause epic is bastion of good business practices and good consumer will. Off yourself epic shill

the average normie doesnt read steam forums or news you aspie, its like nothing happened to 99% of consumers

literally who are you lmao
pathetic nobody hahahahahahaha

thats more of an annoyance rather then a fuck up and considering that censorship and banning were due to topics that cause normies to screech, it was only logical they either censored or banned them

>mfw gaben sells steam to tencent to fuel his VR addiction

>Epic will win because developers(or publishers) have incentive to choose a store with a lower cut
You don't understand anything past the surface level. The "cut" means nothing, literally fucking nothing.

Let's say you can put your $1 game on a store with a 10% cut that gets 1K sales, or a store with a 30% cut that gets 2K sales. You make $900 from the 1st store, or $1400 from the 2nd store. You're legit fucking retarded if you think a company would select store 1 in that scenario because "Durr higher cut is good!".

Devs ALREADY use Steam because it's the widest reaching and most popular platform, peaking at over 15M concurrent users and 5M actively playing users. Players use Steam because it comes with fuckloads of minor benefits, a simple userface with many options, and it has the features people want, like, let's say, the ability to buy multiple games at once without getting fucking banned from your game purchasing platform, let alone the ability to buy multiple games at once period.

If Epic had every single feature Steam had, maybe it could try to catch up, but devs would still be weary about jumping to Epic because players aren't jumping yet. Epic could offer games with a 5% cut and still not get devs to work with them if consumers won't buy from Epic to begin with, mongoloid.

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They only secured a handful of AA releases and they're burning their money fast

somewhat yes, but hard to determine

You could have some poorfags who have one game but play it thousands of hours peak up your concurrent users.

Meanwhile they real paypigs for Steam are the wagefags who buy a game everyweek but maybe have about 10hrs per week on in-game time.

We don't know who owns Valve's stock, but it's safe to assume Gabe owns the lion's share of it. If he hasn't brought in outside investors by now then it's safe to say he values being his own master.

>Epic will win because publishers will want more money
Yeah sure. I wonder, how well Exodus and Satisfactory sold? Oh, and what about BL3 and VTMB2? I cant wait to preorder them on e-wait, what's that? They've been delisted? Until E3 is over? Oh, the horror!
Epicshills on suicide watch

Steam gets away with charging 30% because they offer services and options and benefits that are well worth that fee. Epic takes less than 30% and as a result offers a barebones experience that doesn't cost them as much to run. After all, there's no need to pay to host millions of game reviews if you don't let people review games, you don't need to pay server costs or make a cookie system to remember who has what in their shopping carts if you don't let people buy multiple games at once, you don't need to hire moderators or forum staff if you don't make and host forums for your service.

Epic charges less because they hope that devs will ignore the cuts they make to the basic platform structure. Yes, they're re-writing the rules, by stripping all of the expected features and benefits of a games launcher out of the launcher, leaving a barebones Chromium skeleton that can barely manage to do anything at all.

They make hundreds of millions per year in trades and other bullshit that costs them almost nothing.

>Epic cut is much less
>Epic can only sustain itself by charging more
>Epic cant use common payment methods because they take cuts as well, so no easy way to pay for your shit
>Literally rewriting the rules
Yeah, sloppily. And they're proving that the rules exist for a reason

i feel like valve is gonna pull a minecraft soon enough with the pressure thats being directed towards steam from all sides. he already won at life, at some point the trouble isnt worth the stress at his age, i already stopped buying games on steam, im gonna piratefag now until things will have played out

People keep saying that epic can fight this retarded war for years with fortnite money. But why would tencent be ok with epic wasting zoomer bucks fighting steam when they released their own store not that long ago? If you owned 40% or whatever of epic would you be ok with tim pissing away hundreds of millions over the years fighting a war that seems to be going worse every week?

chinks are swimming in money and ran out of places to invest it long time ago, believe me when i say that tencent doesnt care about money right now, things might change at any time thought

>tries to impress faggots and autists on an anonymous imageboard
>thinks hes a normie
kek

got me :^)

t. Timmy Tencent
crying about Gabe not caving to your demands?

They keep buying up retarded western devs though.

The reason is that glorious leader of China has a personal vendetta against Steam and he wants to see it burn. Tencent is how he will do it, and the whole country of China will finance his crusade

I don't think getting a large sum of money is retarded, I'll say more greedy or desperate

Akamai is used for game downloads as well. You can see Steam connect to their servers to download games from them if you monitor the network activity. Valve does not own and operate their own CDN. They are the client to several providers like Comcast and Level 3 as well as Akamai for their various services. This Valve Network thing is just software on their end for developers to make use of their setup.

What will be the song for the Yea Forums the musical about the epic store ?

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What, did he get banned for cheating?

I think his son will take over valve

well i think the chink government only recently realized that gaming was a good place to invest in since they hate gaming

Nah, worse. Some game made by a Thai made a joke about that guy and winnie the pook(which is where that meme comes from), All of china was ordered to reviewbomb it. Steam stepped in and not only kept the game on their platform, they also enforced reviewbomb protection, so no amount of reviewbombing would affect the overall score of the game. Since Steam doesnt belong to China, Chink Sr. cant do anything directly, hence tencent and epic.
Think about it. All this epic and exclusivity nonsense started up after that event

Take a look at riot for example. Tencents asks them to make a mobile version of league. They refuse for various reasons. Tencent makes their own version that is the most played mobile game in china now. Riot can't do shit since tencents fully owns them and is raking in billions from their mobile clone while riot is being whittled down. They're making a mobile version now, many years too late.

Video games are a significant form of media now. It's a problem from their government's perspective if they can't control the distribution channel. You may be right.

look at my autism

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cute autism

buy ikaruga

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Yeah. Chinks however cant understand a simple concept-the world doesnt care about glorious leader, and gaming is very fickle as a market. You cant buy competence and creativity, and your consumerbase will fucking drop you if you piss them off.
All of Epic exclusivity deals have been to Steam pre-releases, highly anticipated early access or dev games with big fanbases. They think that customers are dumb idiots who can just be bought like chinksects. Sadly reality doesnt work that way, as we can see

Because the iPhone was actually a big deal when it came out. Pic related is what passed for a high end smartphone a few months before the iPhone came out. The iPhone was only $100-$200 more expensive and had a higher resolution screen, a faster CPU, hardware accelerated graphics, a capacitive touch screen, and a state of the art UI based on multi-touch gestures. Despite lacking in some other areas and not having an app store at the time, it was the first smartphone that felt like more than just a PDA with a GSM radio in it.

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>timed exclusives end up on steam
>go on steam store page
>requires third party account: Epic Games
if this happens then fuck video games

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This. Epic screwed up their first major sale and vaporized what little trust they had.

How do you manage to fuck up a sale that bad? Also they ban people that buy too much stuff. It's baffling.

didnt some other company do literally the same before apple but failed? pretty sure marketing played a huge factor in all of this since mobile internet was trash back then

well metro on steam doesn't require epic account so i doubt it would happen
imagine the shitstorm though

>why do we still have to pay 60$ for a game on EGS then?
No, it's worse than that, you need to pay $60 and then an EXTRA processing fee. It's basically always MORE expensive through Epic.

They mean Steam keys, which the devs can generate freely, and even sell through other stores like Humble's store.

Okay bud, don't watch the fucking video, remain ignorant. I don't give a fuck.

Fuck that, I want my 12 Projared songs.

Are you thinking of the LG Prada? Because that wasn't a smartphone, despite being priced like one.

no, it was some company like microsoft or ibm who tried their hand at a "smartphone" way before apple did, but my memory is fuzzy

There were some PocketPC phones back in the day, but they were just standard PocketPC devices with a phone app built in.

Don't be that guy, imposing their taste on others.

They just throw money at it and hope it works, problem is its not how much money you spend (it does help but can't fix everything), but what you spend your money on. In epics case, they spent it on exclusives instead of hiring people who could have made a competent development team which resulted in the current cluster fuck that is epic.

at this point its not even about taste anymore its about originality and quality, borderlands 3 is literally the game you played 5 years ago with a few new skills, how is that better than playing baldurs gate instead if you havent yet

Steam are probably working on something, but are keeping quiet until it's ready.

they are working on next gen VR and we all know about it already

yeah the majority of people who buy games

reddit is literally the mainstream.