Reworked Smash Moveset

lol u mad

>Samus

The taunt that has her arm canon do funky shit should change her charge shot to ice, wave beam or others that have special properties of their own.

>Jigglypuff
Sing has the same reach as DK's down special.. maybe more startup and becomes her standard special

Rest actually heals you

Up special becomes dazzling gleam which creates sparkling light in a set place to hide your movement and do light damage similar to pirhana plants toxic spray

Side special becomes bounce instead of pound which instadrops you but the rebound has huge endlag

>Dark Samus

Jab: She shoots her arm cannon rapidly. (like her assist move in ssb4)

Up Air: Like Samus's forward air but upwards.

Dash Attack: like Samus's up air but sideways.

Down air: Like Fox's down air but produces electricity.

Neutral air: Uses her Grapple Beam to whip around herself.

Ftilt: Uses her Grapple Beam to whip forward.

Utilt: Uses her Grapple Beam to whip upwards.

DSmash: Summons Phazon tentacles around her. (like her assist move in ssb4)

Grab: Like Melee Samus's Grapple Beam but easier to control.

All throws are like Mewtwo's and Ness's throws.

Side B: Produces a clone of herself, once the clone attacks a fighter, another clone spawns next to the previously produced clone, finishing her combo, the direction of the clones can be changed.

Down B (laser sphere): She will shoot a laser sphere that homes at a certain fighter, pressing twice or thrice will shoot 2-3 laser spheres. (like her assist move in ssb4)

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Nerd.

Just cut characters and fuck off, why the fuck is an iconic character like Bomberman an assist trophy when zoomer shitters like Bayonetta and Joker are in?

Give her unique specials.

Neutral B: Summons Hiyoihoi who throws a Super Ball that bounce off surfaces.

Up B: Summons Biokinton to fly

Side B: Summons King Totomesu to breath fire on the opponent

Down B: summons Tamao as a counter. If he gets hit he will turn into Dragon Zamasu and spit fire on the opponent

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Young Link should have mask transformations. Similar to Pokemon Trainer changing Pokemon.

>Down Special: Mask Switch.
Acts the same as Shulks Monado arts. switches between Deku, Zora, and Goron masks

>Deku Link
>Fast, weak, combo oriented.
>Neutral special is the bubble shot (chargeable)
>Side special has him throw deku seeds
>Recovery is flying with the deku flower
>His dash attack is the spin move

>Zora Link
>Mid range stats.
>Neutral special is the 3 hit combo he does in the game
>Side special is the fin boomerangs
>Recovery is a dolphin jump

>Goron Link
>Slow, heavy hitter
>Neutral special is throwing a Powder Keg.
>Side special is Goron Roll. Charge it long enough and spikes come out and it does more damage.
>Recovery is Similar to Dedede's up special, only shorter height. Powder keg can also be used to help in recovery similar to snake's grenades, links bombs, etc.

>Final Smash is transformation into Fierce Diety
>Up taunt is replace with random ocarina song
>Changes instruments based on current mask

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> Being this ungrateful
Be happy your shitty spin-off filler is in the game at all retard

Make Warios moves based off wario land. Alternatively give him moves that are reference to his microgames in wario ware that isnt just the bike.

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FIX MR GAME & WATCH F-AIR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Replace Warlock punch with Yellow Shadowball
Replace Wizard foot with cape reflector

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Mario: Ground Pound and moves from the RPG's, Galaxy, Sunshine and Odissey.
Luigi: Moves from the RPG series like thunderglove.
Peach: Moves from the Super Princess Peach game.
Bowser: Moves from Inside Story, Party and Galaxy.
Young Link: Moves and masks usage from Majora's Mask.
Toon Link: Moves via equipment from Wind Waker and Minish Cap.
Ganondorf: Wizard and Trident moves, the stuff from his games.
Samus: Prime Series moves and off course the Ice Beam.
Kirby: Modern game moves.
Fox: Landmaster FM.
Falco: Arwing FM.
Pikachu: Just Iron Tail.
Mewtwo: Psychic based and high level moves.
Captain Falcon: Uses gun.
Ness and Lucas: More of their own moves from their games.
Wario: Warioware moveset from the ware costumes while a pure Land based moveset from his regular outfits.
Snake: PM stuff.
Sonic: Actual moves from his games.
Chrom: Remains just as Robin FM.
The others are fine.
Declone: Daisy, Dark Samus, Lucina and Dark Pit.

>Little Mac
Little Mac feels absolutely nothing like the playing punchout. Instead of having to read your opponents patterns an act appropriately, you can just haphazardly use smash attacks whenever you want because of super armor. The "momentum" mechanic is just a badly made comeback mechanic because its basically inevitable you get the full meter because it doesn't go down as you get damaged like in super punchout. Either fix that or add a system for gaining stars for a powered punch. Honestly the whole character should be remade because they're neither fun to play or play against, because anyone who knows what they're doing will just camp a little mac out.

Is it possible to make a physical moveset for him since he mostly throws bombs?.

pacman

Love it

user, I’m sorry Waluigi didn’t make it in.

Yea i agree with that, little mac feels very out of character from both his design and his gameplay style. Punch out didnt make you feel like a power house it was all about counter attacking. He doesnt even smile like a big doofus when he wins like in his games.

change Ike's Fair to be like his Brawl's Fair
change Sonic so that he doesn't have 2 spin dashes (WHAT were they THINKING?)
buff Captain Falcon's Forward Smash, either make the hitbox bigger or make it come out faster
can't really think of much else, Ultimate is damn near perfect

Samus needs an overhaul. Make the speed booster a part of her moveset. Have a meter below her icon that fills up the more she runs. When full she will be as fast as sonic, deal damage when she hits you while moving and it replaces her side and up b with the shine spark acting as a better recovery. Morphball will be be her crawl, pressing down twice engages it. While in morphball you can use the boostball with up and side b, down b is bombs and you can charge it for the powerbomb. She should be able to change her beams. Power, ice and plasma. Uce freezes at certain percents and plasma doesnt deal much knockback but passes though your foes and deals damage. Missiles are ok as is.

Sonic for sure.

Down B needs to be Bounce Attack. B Boost. Up B Homing Attack. Side B Spin Dash.

Plus this, I like this Fuck you, Snake is (near) perfect. Just give him his mines back.

Samus needs major changes. More Zoning attacks/Beams on Neutrals.

Finally.

Even if you’re not gonna revamp his whole moveset, at least give him more nods to MM. Razor Sword and Fierce Deity FS would be a start. Also, the Ocarina as one of his specials with some gimmicky time control stuff, for a more minor change not requiring the masks.

Gonna add one more minor one for Zelda.

Make her Din’s Fire more like PM (ideally the triple Fireball set-up one). Reduce lag and increase range on Farore. As well as make Ledge Cancelling more lenient without the SD punish. Make her DTilt like Smash 4 for better combos. Better hitboxes on Nair.

There, now she’s High Tier.

That would be too much work for lazyrai,I suggest just incorporating these moves into one moveset where young link swaps forms quickly by changing masks. It'll keep Pokemon trainer unique and will be less work than making 3 characters. A good compromise.

>instashield has no iframes
wowee what a tard

He's shit too, filler characters like them doesn't deserve a spot, they aren't popular and did shit for the Mario universe.

Look at Rosalina, she's popular, is important in the Mario universe, and has a reason to exist. Daisy and Waluigi could be never be made and literally nothing would be changed, that's how shitty they are.

>Sonic
Complete rework, and don't give him two fucking spindashes this time
This is good stuff
>Young Link
Get him using masks for some (or all) attacks, fierce diety final smash is a must
>Toon Link
Should use stuff from toon loz games
>Mario
Replace fludd
>Luigi
More poltergust and thunder hand from super star saga
>Bowser Jr.
Change the final smash the koopalings using shadow Mario triggers my autism too much
>Snake
Give gun
>Ganon
Probably doesn't need mentioning he should be heavily changed
>Pikachu
Give him his balloons and surfboard in some capacity
>Jigglypuff
Sing needs some kind of fix, a larger reach might do the trick but idk
Less generic pound moves and a bit more weird fairy stuff
>Steve
Replace elytra with ender eye
>Bowser
Give him a proper fireball
>Donkey Kong
I want bongos and barrels in his moveset somewhere but I love him in his current state
>Wario
Should have more Wario land, I like the idea of having regular Wario using Wario land and Wario world moves and biker Wario being an echo who still rides the bike
>Little Mac
These, complete rework. Little Mac's thing is that he's a small man being smart and taking advantage of his opponent's weaknesses, he shouldn't be a superarmoring beefcake
>Falco
Should be a bit more different to fox, him using the same up-special even though he's a bird is a bit silly
>Samus
I don't even know but she's just not fun in current form
>Daisy
Make her more than just a skin ffs, some small stat alterations would be nice
>Ryu and Ken
Take out the input stuff, it's gay
>Joker
Can the gun do just a lil more damage please
>P.Plant
More fireball
His specials are pretty perfect already tho so don't put it there
This post is too long sorry

Blockhead

>Take out the input stuff, it's gay
>He still can't do a dragon punch 30 years later

It wouldn't be much more work than Pokemon Trainer. So it's realistically possible.
I think it would be harder to have him change masks for specific moves and while still making them look right and not have incredibly long animations.

Pokemon Trainer would still be unique enough. YL's mask change would be more akin ti Monado arts where you can choose which mask you want on the fly, instead of going in order.

To differentiate YL and Pokemon Trainer more, you can have YL's mask be like cloud's limit break state, or Joker's persona. You have to charge it up while you're YL, and then spend that charge on changing masks. Then when you revert you have to wait to change masks again. That way you're not switching on the fly like Pokemon Trainer.

Just please fully declone Ganon already. Doesn't even have to be swords and energy attacks, just at least make him not-Falcon

Sorry man, I just don't think it's fun
I don't mind it in actual street fighter games, just feels annoying in smash

It really sucks that both Sakurai is so averse to making meaningful changes to character movesets.

>Dead Man’s Volley

Every time with you guys
It’d be a horrible projectile, any old attack could reflect it

>>Steve
>Replace elytra with ender eye
The fuck you talking about you loonatic?

Nair is basically instasheild
I kind of like up air as is
Every other change is great though.

Also Sonic only needs one Spindash

All of your ideas are terrible. Thank fuck you’re not in charge.

Final Smash: Turns into Metroid Prime

It could just be a slow projectile, like Pac-man's melon. Great for mix-ups. Doesn't have to be reflectable like in the games. Or they could be cheeky and have it only be reflectable by links.

Joker's up B should still be the grapple even when Arsene is active.

No way, that sounds awful. Just let it be the same as PT so people can main Goron Link or whatever

>>Steve
>Replace him with Banjo
Ftfy

Every character with a counter.

Young Link having Majora's Mask shit is pretty autistic, his current moveset is fine, especially his projectiles + aerials.

> Ashley
Make her playable
> Isaac
Make him playable
> Geno
Make him playable
> Rayman
Make him playable
> Banjo
Make him playable + stage, AT and spirits
> Rayman
Make him playable + stage
> Wonder Red
Make him playable + more music
> Make many echoes such as King Hippo, Dixie Kong, Proto Man, Shadow, Octoshit, Black Shadow and more
> Plant, Dark Pit, Chrom, Corrin, Palutena, Incineroar, Joker, Isabelle, Rosalina, Daisy,
Cut them, literally doesn't deserve to be in. Fuck Sakurai bias.

>Making 3 unique characters is less work than doing 1

Ok.

I want Lucina to be replaced by her Great Lord version and have a lance based moveset. Or a hybrid moveset sword attacks for normals and aereals and lance for Smash attacks and specials.

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>Representing his most well known game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being a smaller faster version of old regular Link.

Snake needs his taunts reworked.

I just want Sonic's Side B to be the boost

Please keep your roster faggotry out of this thread.

Speaking of Pokemon Trainer, why the fuck did they remove Charizard's Rock Smash?

Literally can't use him because of that, which sucks since he was one my favorite characters.

>being bodied by snake
Lad, it's time to up your game or put down the sticks.

She needs that appearance as a taunt or alt costume.

>geno deserves to be playable but rosalina doesn't
Kill yourself.

Don't bother. Young Link is pretty tier list friendly now and most of these fags don't want to risk him being worse in exchange for uniqueness.

>he doesn't like carrying his opponents to the side with back airs or fire arrow into spin attack

> A popular request vs a shitty shill character only liked by porn
Fuck off retard, nobody wanted Rosashit

Because flare blitz for some god forsaken reason its one of his signature moves. I would be fine with it if at the very fucking least it didn't suck ass. No longer clips on ledge, doesn't even do good shield damage, super telegraphed with a sound effect to boot, super vunerable frame data. Its a fucking joke of a move.

>imagine being this angry for a shitty wooden doll
ok retard i think it's time for you to take your nap.

Mariotheplumber is that you?

Seething zoomer waifufag

great ideas ITT
Ivysaur:
>Razor Leaf is now neutral B
>New side B is either sleeping powder, leech seed or poison powder at random (short ranged blast that slowly fades, even getting hit after the initial blast deals the effect)
>Up tilt is a weaker, faster version of current neutral B

What's the difference between sonic's side and down B?

>rosalina
>waifu
ok retard i'm gonna have to stop you right there

Deal is, nods to MM can be purely cosmetic.

Switch the Kokiri Sword for the Razor Sword. Switch the Wooden Shield for the Hero’s Shield. Put a Mask on the side of his face like in Hyrule Warriors. Make one of his Taunts the Ocarina. Have a Fairy follow him around everywhere he goes. Make his Final Smash a Giant Slash after Transforming into FD Link (Again HW).

There, he stays top tier, and now Reps MM better. Problem solved. Hell, I’m sure you could mod most of those into the game, given how easy it all is.

one of them multi hits, i dunno

newfag spotted

The pokemon should have 4 attacks and switch via taunt

I like it.. leech seed could act like jokers side special

And just to make razor leaf feel different it could be a bunch of leaves that come out and linger for a second then shoot off like Samus super missile in homage to the razor leaf animation from gen II games

>this
it'd make sense for this to be a thing but sadly no
Here's your (You)

>>Making 3 unique characters is less work than doing 1
Where did I say that? Also each pokemon is a unique character, so it'd be 3 unique characters vs 4 unique characters. Not that much more work.

Dededes gordos get more unironic use than warlock punch

Change Ivysaur into Bulbasaur. Bulba is cooler.

Change Red’s model to match his origibal artwork and sprite more, you know, badass 10-yo with an attitude, not souless husk of a human that looks to be about 15.

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Warlock punch fucking sucks too though?

Give Dedede his Waddle Dee throw again

It pisses me off it's gone, I usually played with the Waddle Dees and Doos and called them names and such. They are a great way to block attacks and make cute and funny enemies appear on screen.

Gordo shit is way worse

>Change Ivysaur into Bulbasaur. Bulba is cooler.
DO NOT! HE DOESN'T HAVE THE LEAD-FAN THING LIKE IVYSAUR. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?

It’s a slight nod to the anime. Ash never evolved Bulba. The simpler design is more aesthetic imo.

>have giant cast of Nintendo characters from all these different games, doing all these different things.
> vast majority of the characters normal/smash attacks are simple limb attacks or weapon swipes/thrusts
>small reference of characters abilities throughout their games.
PSABR did this much better.
The majority of the smash roster could be reworked desu.

Remove every single counter from the game
Also maybe give bayo the ability to fire her guns down while jumping forward like joker has.
Remove fluud.

>Samus
Neutral attack/ftilt are now Power Beam shots; they're the same color as they are in official Metroid games, and they can be fired at almost the same speed as Fox's laser without penalty. They don't make your opponent flinch, and Samus is so tall that the shots may end up going over characters to prevent the move from being overpowered. You can dash/run/jump forward while shooting, at the cost of losing your actual dash attack.
Fsmash is charge shot, upsmash is an uppercut reminiscent of the Counter from Samus Returns.
Nair is now the sex kick Samus had pre-smash4
Side Special is now speed booster, after a few frames of holding side b Samus will speed boost and become invincible; anyone caught in the way will take continuous damage until Samus stops, which she can do by either letting go of side b(which is laggy, leaving her open for a punish), or by jumping, which is safer. If you press down quick enough, Samus will store the speed boost and you can Shinespark in any direction by the same input done in Metroid games, jumping in place(or just tapping A by itself in the air) and then choosing a direction immediately after.
Neutral special switches Samus from Power Beam to Missiles; every beam move changes to missiles. They're more powerful and cause opponents to flinch, but they're slower and have cooldown. Fsmash is now super missile; much smaller hitbox than the charge shot but deals a lot more damage.
Fair is an Ice Beam shot, disjointed with a moderate amount of hitstun and little endlag
For Bair Samus now swings her arm cannon back with Wave Beam sparks lighting it up
Uair has Samus aim above herself and fire a straight pillar of Plasma Beam, functionally it works similarly to Mii Gunner's only it has more aerial drift and pulls opponents in
Dair, Samus fires a Spazer shot below her, covers a wide area and sends opponents slightly upward instead of spiking
Samus is now a fast faller with similar weight to what she currently has.

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>I’m sure you could mod most of those into the game, given how easy it all is.
I'm sure it is but the switch modding scene is pretty retarded right now and so far smash ultimate mods are just shitty twitter memes or competitive friendly stuff like a hitbox viewer.

This, I'd love to see what they could do with characters like Samus,, DK, and Ganondorf.

At the very least she needs some other creature to replace her toad.

I'd change the Zora side B to the 3 hit combo, and if you hold the button, it becomes the fin boomerangs. Regular B is the electricity.

>YL doesn't even go Fierce Diety for his Final Smash
Such a letdown.
All Links need to be reworked, really.

Agreed, just find an excuse to make the grapple longer or something.

>DK
I really like his current moveset, but I think it'd be fun to see what they can pull from the DKC games. Being able to pull out a barrel would be a unique projectile(no coconut gun, sorry), instead of his current recovery maybe he summons an animal buddy?

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Change his arsene up b to be like pits was in brawl

He does already have a good bit of Wario Land stuff be I feel he could use so more Wario World stuff.
Replace the Waft with a command grab with 2 variations. Inputting left or right will activate the Wild-Swing Ding that lets Wario spin the grabbed opponent around for a couple of seconds and throw them which will damage them and put them in a state that turns them into a "projectile" that can hurt other opponents but can't be reflected.
Inputting up or down will have Wario jump up and use a Piledriver on the opponent, burying them in the ground.

Yeah maybe, I only made the combo neutral b because it's like that in the game. I think the boomerang is better as a separate move though.

Got into a big argument with a friend saying ryu's special moves are busted
>dude you're just over reacting
>compaired to mvc2 this game is pretty balanced
youtu.be/pTaBClDlgXA?t=462
FUCK
ALL
RYU
MAINS

This. There's alot of things you could do with her and can make her the first lance user.

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>Daisy
Could make use of stuff coming from the Land Series
>Dark Samus
Pull from her old assist and throw in some stuff involving her Phazon powers.
>Lucina
No idea
>Dark Pit
Make use of his actual weapon. Dark Pit Staff will replace most of the attacks involving the dual sword/bow shenanigans. As a Neutral B, the Staff will be like the Staff item but instead deal a fixed amount of damage but having piercing qualities. Recovery is the same and the other 2 specials and be replaced with a different weapon like a Palm, Cannon, etc.

Stun projectiles at that speed were a dumb idea. Gordos are good, they should not be reflectable.

I AM HERE TO WHINE ABOUT DARK PIT
Kid Icarus Uprising is my favorite 3DS game. Love it. I especially love the weapon variety, both gameplay-wise and visually they're all very different.
There's nine different weapon types in the game. In Smash, Pit uses three of them: Bow, Arm, Orbitars.
Out of the six left over, Dark Pit uses: THE SAME THREE. Plus a normal boring Staff shot for his Final Smash.
In chapter 6 of KI:U, Dark Pit uses five different weapons: The aforementioned Staff, as well as a Palm, a Cannon, a Club, and a Bow. I think it's a fucking shame that in a game with so much source material, one made by Sakurai himself, Dark Pit is still an echo in his second appearance.
So here's my plan:

Replace Dark Pit's bow with his staff for all his normals and his neutral special. Between swinging clubbing and stabbing, there's plenty to do.
Replace his side special with the EZ Cannon firing arched shots with AOE explosions.
Replace his down special with the Ogre Club, which functions somewhat like a slightly weaker Falcon/Warlock Punch that also fires a projectile that phases through level geometry.
Alter his up special to be more like Pit's Brawl up special, to reflect his ability to fly on his own, rather than Pit needing Palutena's help.
I know this isn't the case after the events of KI:U, but it is for the vast majority of the game.
Replace his final smash with the Staff special shot, causing a quick hail of shots raining from above.

Dark samus to be given a few different moves

>they should not be reflectable.

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>removing inputs from ryu and ken
Holy shit what a faggot

Lucario needs fucking changed. He's so boring.

>smash attacks changed to magic
>grab looks like the steal command
>spotdodge looks like the evade animation
>throws look more like Tifa's limit breaks
>down taunt squatting
>manual limit charging removed but now limit can be kept forever until used up, non-limit down B is still finishing touch but with a lot more startup lag

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Razor Sword and Heroes shield is all I fucking want god damn it. And Fierce Diety final smash. I’m happy with current young link but man, when I think about what could have been that just bums be out

DK should fight like how he does in Jungle Beat. Forward Smash is a kick that you can angle. Angling it low turns into into a low sweep. Fair could be taken from Ghastly King. Jab combo should lead into a rapid jab like in JB. Down throw is him jumping on the opponent and beating them into the ground with rapid punches. DK is probably the only character I would want to have just punches and kicks in his moveset.

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>replace elytra with ender eye
>ender eye
so no recovery instead of having a recovery?

>I usually played with the Waddle Dees and Doos and called them names and such
> and make cute and funny enemies appear on screen.

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>Side Special is now speed booster, after a few frames of holding side b Samus will speed boost and become invincible; anyone caught in the way will take continuous damage until Samus stops, which she can do by either letting go of side b(which is laggy, leaving her open for a punish), or by jumping, which is safer. If you press down quick enough, Samus will store the speed boost and you can Shinespark in any direction by the same input done in Metroid games, jumping in place(or just tapping A by itself in the air) and then choosing a direction immediately after.
That's about it. That would be perfect

>>smash attacks changed to magic
Maybe the up and down. Sorry, but I just think his front smash is way too fun to use

atleast give him a wall jump. DK with a wall jump sounds godlike.

These would be fantastic

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>Minish Cap design
That's all I needed to hear

Lucina: youtube.com/watch?v=TA9ykMI83-c

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Fuck yes, Minish Cap was the best Zelda game and I would main Toon if his moveset had even a single one of these nods

Duck Hunt

Smash Attacks won’t get interrupted if they get hit or grabbed.

Every Gunmen now have 1HP and can’t get KO’d until they turn around to shoot. Otherwise they will instantly counter.

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Looks pretty bad honestly

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Wario
>side-B is PM shoulder bash, dash attack becomes his 4 dash attack
>down-B is a Time Bomb modeled after the microgame timer
>Wario yells HURRY UP when throwing bomb
>bomb does fucktons of damage with a decent AOE

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how is a homing attack a recovery?

Simon / Richter Belmont
>Vampire Killer can cancel any projectile.

>Holy Water can be hold to be thrown as any item by inputting Down B + Up Flick
>Cross can only get parry by attacks as strong as a Smash Attacks.
>Cross can go trough shields
>Axe is faster and harder to parry.
>Specials have less startup and endlag overall.
>Up Special won’t enter helpless state.
>Up Special can get used many times in the air.

Here’s the catch
>Simon / Richter will get a counter like Cloud/LittleMac/Joker.
>Counter showcases an amount of hearts they have.
>They always start with 10 hearts.
>Their Heart Counter will reset to 10 if they lose a stock.

Simon / Richter will gain a heart for each normal attack they land
>Landing F-Tilt = 1 Heart
>Landing Side Smash = 3 Hearts
>Landing DAir = 1 Heart
>Landing DAir Meteor = 3 Hearts
>Landing an item = 0 Hearts

Each Special costs a certain amount of hearts, so they can’t be used without them:
>Axe = 7 Hearts
>Cross = 5 Hearts
>Holy Water = 4 Hearts
>Slash = 6 Hearts

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Samus
>Jab
Multiple shots from her arm cannon. Similar to the Mii Gunner.
>F-Tilt
Missiles. They work just like they do now, but with less endlag.
>Down Tilt
Keep it as it is
>Up Tilt
The Melee Counter from Samus Returns. Add in some electric effects here and there as well
>N-air
Keep it as it is I guess. Could at least throw in some electric effects
>F-Air
Animation remains the same, but instead of creating explosions, she shoots with her arm cannon, creating Plasma Waves in three directions. They don't go too far, though
>Back Air
Samus turns around in the air and shoots with her Ice Beam.
>F-Smash
She shoots a Super Missile. Nothing special
>Neutral Special
Charge Beam/Plasma Beam.
It has three levels of charge. Charge beam goes far and is spammable but does no knockback/Small damage. Plasma Beam doesn't go far but gives a lot of damage, though it requires charging. You can also freely walk or run while charging.
>Side Special
What said about it
>Up Special
Keep it as it is.
>Down Special
It puts her in Morph Ball mode. In Morph Ball you have a mini-moveset. You can jump and move freely in this state, but you only have one jump, you can't grab ledges and
MORPH BALL MODE
>Neutral Special
Bomb. Similar as to how it works now.
>Side Special
Boost Ball. Samus boosts based on direction input. You can boost in 8 directions
>Up Special
Power Bomb. Samus pulls out a Power Bomb. The explosion has a great range and does massive damage. However, it takes a full minute to charge a power bomb and if you die, the charge is lost.

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Alright, how and what would you guys change in those characters?
>Kirby
>Jigglypuff
>Link
>Mario
>Meta Knight
>Dr. Mario
>Falco
>Lucario
>Mewtwo

while I agree removing waluigi and daisy would change pretty much nothing, saying they aren't popular is fucking retarded

>acting like rosalina isn’t filler at this point
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MM YL should of been there from the beginning, too bad sakurai rather just copy paste movesets and call it a feature

I would like Dark Samus' moveset to be more like it fights in the games.
But at the same time I know it wouldn't have gotten in if it wasn't as an Echo fighter, and I'm really just grateful that it animates differently.

>> Make many echoes such as King Hippo, Dixie Kong, Proto Man, Shadow, Octoshit, Black Shadow and more
>> Plant, Dark Pit, Chrom, Corrin, Palutena, Incineroar, Joker, Isabelle, Rosalina, Daisy,
If your roster faggotry includes adding echoes and removing existing ones, its automatically shit no matter what.

They introduced Shield Special with Inkling, They should just do that instead.
Also just give every Character a Shield Special.

You just posted it. Possibly my favorite move in PM

In general there’s so many missed opportunities for character moveset reference pulls. In 3 games Toon Link has stayed by-and-large very similar to how he was originally. Sakurai doesn’t want to change characters because of fans of those old characters, but he’d likely make people much happier overall if the characters got more stuff that’s distinct to their series. Only just now did Ganon get some sort of change, and it’s only to his smashes.

The same goes for costumes. Why doesn’t Toon Link have an alt with pink hair?

>up B changed to a rocket barrel
>side B changed to him entering a barrel, hold it to charge and send him flying at higher speeds
>down B ground pound now buries

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It’d basically be Dedede’s Gordos which is a shame but I think I’d still prefer it. Especially if he has a reflect while the projectile is out

Have any smash characters ever gotten a BIG character change/rework while the current game is still running? Most big changes are for the next game no?

So power bomb would basically be a trap version of Waft? Interesting

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Shit I would pick her up in a heartbeat if she had a lance. My problem with the FE characters is that they're ALL sword users.
>No polearms
>no maces
maybe throw in duel wielding daggers or something, fucking ANYTHING besides yet ANOTHER sword user