the second quarter-final for KSL is tonight, here's who's playing. >Soulkey vs. Snow (PvZ, Bo5) >Rain vs. Sharp (PvT, Bo5) the winner of each will go on to the semi final next week, along with Stork and Mini. So sit back, get comfy and watch some brood war with your pals tasteless and artosis
twitch.tv/starcraft (hopefully no technical fuckups this time?)
Can't wait for tonight >50 minute game >lots of back and forth battles >soulkey appears to have the upper hand >suddenly two shuttles drop reavers behind the engagement >*ad starts plays* Also who's ready for fucking protoss everywhere
It's alright. Not to sound like too much of a weeb but I always find it surprising how pleasant their language is on the ears compared to all the other oriental languages.
Dominic Bailey
> semida bongjooo ehhh? deh ju goooeeeeeohh! deh, neh dehhh
Matthew Diaz
I can't stand the korean casters 'hype'. Jabbering fucking insects
Gavin Brooks
>soulkey and sharp are the victors this tournament
>Artosis predicts Soulkey almost 100% chance to win >He loses It's happening again. Artosis is literally the anti-win, if he says you're going to win, you almost always lose.
Juan Brooks
The Khala has nothing on a true Yoga master.
Angel Butler
>>get outplayed for the whole game what? he was consistently winning fights, if his macro wasn't subpar he'd have rolled over much earlier
Sebastian Stewart
Terran won season 1, Zerg won season 2, it's only fitting that Protoss win season 3. It's a Starcraft miracle!
I wish there were more opportunities to see Bio vs Toss Obviously it sucks for the Terran and he has to play out of his mind to win but it's still really fucking cool
Julian Moore
>not going bbs in every matchup
Jason Peterson
How the fuck do you counter corsairs? They're super fast and never die
Carter Carter
why dont they just marry bisu...
Jayden Thompson
ensnare
David Sullivan
soulkey on tilt, we're heading for another 3-0 bros
Jonathan Phillips
You've already lost.
Michael Cook
artosis could never marry a protoss player
Ayden Murphy
just make scourge nigga
Cooper Richardson
Bisu is most handsome, then Zest
Julian Clark
bros... i miss beesuit
Adrian Cooper
Pros tries that all the time but it doesn't work. For how cheap corsairs are it's absurd
Alexander Brooks
P R O T O S S E D
John Collins
I wonder if he spotted the dark templar blurr there,
Julian Garcia
man, now I have to wait for the vod...
Jaxson Martinez
me protos me click storm
Jeremiah Perez
only on the 3rd game right now, 3 more after this one come join us
that was a fucking awesome strategy. I've always wondered why zerg just didn't tech straight to cracklings like they do with ultra rushes versus terran.
why? don't like the ui and stuff? watch in vlc or mpc through streamlink
Carson Rodriguez
wew, that was great by soulkey
Brandon Sullivan
I think it's just a build variation on hydra bust
Jayden Taylor
he killed all the templars because >snow and he kept building units whereas snow didn't because >snow
Cooper Morgan
Tasteless really unpacked what happened their, he made the protoss respect the lurkers by keeping him honest.
Brody Moore
I wish artosis & rapid would do a in depth series for broodwar
Samuel Cook
why didnt he just type power overwhelming
Carter Cruz
If you're busting them at 10+m can it really be called a hydra bust? You're teching to endgame upgrades super early, that seems different enough for it to be its own build
keep em honest always
Luis James
I think artosis had it rough against protoss and got pretty salty on this map like 8 hours ago
Julian Hernandez
everything about that website is shit. The ui, and everything. It's a fucking joke of a shit website. I jsut made an account and those twitch asshole don't let me chat, because first of I MUST FOLLOW starcraft, okay, I can do that in this case, but holy hell is twitch stupid. But then I can STILL NOT CHAT; because I need to follow starcraft for 30 minutes first...
twitch is worse than the third reich... holy fuck is twitch a cancerous website... the world would be a better place without twitch, those greedy childrens money stealing ugly bastards children
Whichever one I don't like because it doesn't take skill.
Sebastian Wood
A renamed unit for a custom map doesn't count as a seperate hero unit, just like there isn't a Battlecruiser hero unit called Elrond. There's no dark archon hero in the broodwar editor.
Caleb Hill
>3 protoss already confirmed in top 4 Please, Sharp, please. Pleeaase.
No other race gets those big impact units that can wreck an entire game in one go like a DT or a reaver and there's literally nothing you can do about it. Fucking nothing. A single protoss unit can accomplish what it takes a whole control group of zerg or terran units to do.
the dark archon did jack shit in that game. The dt killing the probes won snow it. >oh sorry you weren't watching your mineral line for a single 5 second window? sorry you just lose. You can do the same to me with a fucking lurker drop in a slow ass overlord and i'll still win
>No other race gets those big impact units that can wreck an entire game in one go like a DT Oh please. A couple of scourge would easily handle any shuttle but zerg pros never do it because they're morons
Luke Thompson
Same as all the other matchups: Protoss wins.
Adam Russell
Please just fucking win Sharp.
Don't want the rest of the tourney to be PvP and don't want Rain to be there to be beat Stork in the final.
Zerg has a huge gas problem and they build only the necessary scourge for vessels, the problem is that they get killed so easily and the fucking shuttle runs faster than them on a diagonal so it's a waste of gas building tons of them
Samuel White
Bros, why do toss always play so dirty?
Grayson Sullivan
DISHONESTY
PURE DISHONESTY
GET PUNISHED PROTOSS FUCKS THEY'RE STUCK THEY'RE FUCKING STUCK
THE DARK TEMPLAR EXTERIOR LIKE FISH EGGS INTERIOR LIKE SUICIDE WRIST RAGS
Thomas James
>75 gas Fucking what. Why are they so expensive when they're so easy to kill? Zerglings are 25 dirt cheap in comparison and that's attacking units. A suicide unit shouldn't be so expensive
>No other race gets those big impact units that can wreck an entire game >what are vultures >what are siege tanks >what are science vessels (vs Z) >what are defilers >what are mutas >what are lurkers >there's literally nothing you can do about it. DTs die quickly once detected and Reavers often fire duds and Reaver+Shuttle micro is genuinely hard to pull off, plus losing your Shuttle to something like Scourge is devastating. Protoss has the fewest competitive titles, no bonjwas and the worst winrate in their bad matchup (ZvP is like 57%). Let them have something.
Jose Cox
whos the Goku/Frieza/Cell/Buu of starcraft pros
Hunter Price
GATEWAY STUCK! GATEWAY STUCK!
Daniel Turner
75 for two
Adam Gonzalez
well the vessel is like 225 so it's supposed to be """"""""""""""balanced""""""""""""""""" the thing is the terrans can make more marines and be just as effective but if the zerg starts spamming lings they pretty much lose cause they are literally cannon fodder
Ethan James
>protoss feelings: damaged
Carter Ross
What a silly opener.
Daniel Allen
P-PROTOSS BROS???
WHATS HAPPENING???
IT WAS OUR TOURNAMENT!!
Lucas Murphy
destroyed
Joseph Green
holy fuck i have not thought about that video in forever. That was counter strike right?
Blake Jenkins
gg
Benjamin Gomez
there is nothing finer than dragoons melting to siege tanks
he watched in the shadows as the venomous prostitute pranced around with the slayers members. the selfish bitch didn't even bother to wear socks to cover her feet.
what if another man accidentally tickled her? what would become then?
he could not sit idly any longer. he had to take action
>get scouted straight away >micro the best you possibly can >still lose
protoss is truly a disgusting race, i want to see rain punished
Noah Young
Why didn't Sharp just build a bunker?
Brayden Nelson
Korean sounds like they are always whinninnnnnnnnng
James Sanders
If they're gonna run the same commercial at every break they could at least have the courtesy of putting up subs for it
Zachary Jones
SHOW ME THE MONEY
Zachary Robinson
???? I am actually confused by this thought process.
Alexander Campbell
You can't build a bunker without a barracks and by the time Sharp's rax finished, the Zealot was already in his base. Building a bunker while a zealot and a probe is punching the building SCV is a fool's errand.
Andrew Morgan
Why didnt Sharp just lift his command center and use it to squish to the protoss?
protoss mirrors are by far the worst of the bunch.
Kevin Kelly
It's legit not a bad strat, but muh korean pro gamer pride when he obviously fucked up the placement of his barrack supply .
Nolan Morgan
the typical pvp is better than the typical zvz, that's for sure
Aaron James
The second worst in front of ZvZ.
Hudson Bailey
TvT is by far the worst and ZvZ is only marginally better than TvT.
Ryder Morgan
based
Jaxson Hall
tvt>pvp>zvz
Joshua Morris
I don't even think they are that bad desu. Certainly better than ZvZ in my opinion. It's just that it gets really old if it's all you see, just like pretty much any other matchup.
Ayden Watson
>TvT is by far the worst Holy shit you've got terrible taste. TvT is one of the best.
Colton Taylor
>I don't get why so many people are bitching about Protoss. foreigner ladder experience is generally limited to a level where Protoss is a dominant race. this, combined with the general lower APM required to perform with Protoss causes people to dismiss it as a noob race. also it looks like we're going to have exclusively PvP in the semis and then finals, and as much as I like watching Brood War in all its forms I agree that variety is a spice of life.
Cameron Lewis
this
generally its just passive aggressive comments and nothing helpful
And by that I mean ICCUP, I doubt you were even born when BW came out.
It's more like zzzzz
Joshua Bailey
dropships + tanks is pure kino
Angel Torres
TvT can be nice because it is so different. It just becomes really tiring if it comes up too often because of how long it takes and how samey it is.
Isaiah Gomez
bring back third world
Dylan Young
>babysit nephew last friday or the friday before that >I watch starcraft with him >he falls asleep in the final game and I hear from my sister later that he said he had to watch some boring video game with me instead of the one he wanted to watch me play(magicka) >next time he's over he says he wants to watch starcraft, so I put on some zvt, and then he says he wants to see the "normal faction", aka protoss 4 year old nephew would approve of the final
Zachary Sullivan
Another user to add to that: Korean Terran players would straight up leave TvT games at the start because if you're playing at a PC Bang, TvT is a lot of time investment (which equals money investment) for a relatively small payoff (just a single win or loss).
It's also a fact that, in general, we have the least understanding of TvT. Most people who believe they understand TvT simply don't, beyond the superficial understanding of the whole "tank line" mechanic and some dropship play. It's a fun show to watch if you enjoy long-winded macro games, though.
Liam Peterson
>I'm old so my opinion is correct
That's your argument? Lmao.
Carter James
And sparkle
Gavin Taylor
Your nephew is pretty based
Hudson Peterson
>protoss is the normal faction is your nephew a spider?
Isaiah Edwards
he does like spiders, he has toy spiders and his favorite units were the lurker(spike spider) and the dragoon(robot spider).
Mason Edwards
sounds based
Dominic Roberts
I wonder if the guy who went on a date thanks to Shuttle is doing alright.
>Are ghosts decent counterplay to Arbiters? On paper, yes. In practice, they cost a lot of gas, they require upgrades to be effective, their damage in combat is weak, they're squishy as hell (they don't survive more than a second under a Psionic Storm, and just a couple of dragoon shots), and you need to fit your barracks somewhere in your base in a faction that has trouble with base space. >Is lockdown good for anything? You can do some fancy stuff like shutting down drops or Recalls with it, yes, and there's some cool plays you can do with it, but practically, you mostly use it for stylin'.
Science Vessels with EMP Shockwave are your answer to Arbiters. More mobile, can patrol on the lookout for Recalls, can shut down Stasis, and give you detection so that you don't have to keep scaning the Toss army.
It gets so old so fast it's not worth it and you'll only understand if you've actually played high level TvT, period. Also a lot of T would learn ZvT or PvT just to avoid playing TvT because of how draining it is.
Different? At one point TvT was overwhelmingly common.
Luke Garcia
more like: >race for crybabies terran
Parker Long
>carriers in pvp lmao
John Nelson
>Yeah, I have a lot of experience.
And how does that make me enjoy watching TvT less?
Connor Gray
what we need for the scout dream is to have a 'tard love battlecruisers like leta loves wraiths, so protoss counters him with scouts
Joshua Nelson
Oh, I can't wait to see one of the worst units in the game
Anthony Baker
>The k-pop star of e-sports
So he's basically a high class escort and gets fucked by fat old businessmen all the time?
Matthew Ross
PvP is retarded and I hate it. I've watched enough pro BW since 2007 to know I fucking hate this shitty mirror.
Carson Sanders
Different in that it plays out very differently than the other matchups.
William Torres
Protoss players fuck models, Terran players are crybaby jews that fuck goblins, Zerg players are bug people who play a bug race.
Benjamin Foster
Scouts are so good that they deny their opponents tech tree without even being built
Jason Cooper
>Terran players: >I play the smartest and most superior race >but only three games a week because I can't stand the heat of laddering >then I parrot Artosis' salt about Protoss
rain will win everything. Rain is the best protoss and a k-pop star
Grayson Brown
How's was your months call with him?
Dominic Gonzalez
Korean sounds wonky but there's nothing worse than chinese, tonal languages are gross.
Easton Bailey
Why is Flash not playing anyway? Is he in the military or not?
Dylan Jackson
>Tasteless will NEVER call you once per month
How can I live?
Ryder Lee
Bailed out of his qualifier due to bonitis.
Jack Gray
Tasteless will hide behind "ahaha, I just added that as a joke bro!", but you absolutely know he'd do it.
Jace Morales
The official reasons are: 1. Scheduling conflicts in the past, as he'd be doing things in China or elsewhere during a KSL. 2. Wrist problems.
I suspect he's playing it safe and only doing tournaments hwne he's 100%. Thing is, if he's gonna skip this many tournaments, he probably shoul ahve gone to the military.
Jacob Turner
So he's not actually in the military, right. Thanks.
Josiah Hill
He streams. All the players have Afreeca and Youtube channels. You can follow them there. I watch flash from time to time. He posted a match with Effort, which was sort of Effort's going away last hurrah match. Aboslute slugfest of a match. One of the best I've ever seen.
Jace Davis
The amount of money he makes streaming, it's honestly not worth entering tournaments you might not win. You have to do off-stream practice and that's cutting into his income. I recall somewhere somebody had all their incomes and flash was making something like 400k per year from stream donations. 40k from a tournament win is piss all
Julian Howard
No wonder Flash has been posting vids of his girlfriend.
Ryan Sanders
I would imagine that he'd eventually still have to play and rape in tournaments to maintain his status, although I know absolutely nothing about the korean streaming scene.
Jack Bailey
The only person who can consistently beat Flash is Effort. The tournaments add narratives to the streaming story. So right now, Flash has one unconquored mountain: beat Effort in a best of 5. It's the one thing he hasn't done. But effort is in the military. No one else can challenge him.
Leo Morgan
Flash is an inhuman killing machine.
Chase Jackson
>He posted a match with Effort, which was sort of Effort's going away last hurrah match. Aboslute slugfest of a match. One of the best I've ever seen. Found his youtube channel but it's all in korean. Where can I watch this?
Nicholas Jackson
It's 1-2 weeks ago. Search for either a picture of Effort's face or his korean name.
>Protoss still as braindead as imbalanced as ever Glad I stopped watching this shit in like 2015
Thomas Rodriguez
Protoss has been in a slump for a few years idiot. T and Z were walking all over them. This is a combo of good players like Flash dropping out, who are typical P killers, good maps, and the rise of good players like Rain.
Brody Martin
What happens to all those mid-tier players who, while pretty good, are never good enough to win tournaments? From their perspective, they're just entering tournmants just to lose. So why bother? But you need those 20 or so mid-tier players to fill out tournmants.
Does Africa give them a baseline sallary?
David Reed
t. A-movenigger
Isaac Hernandez
how were protoss in a slump, if you discount flash? Protoss were still winning or getting deep in tournaments.
Rain is good, but he's not great. He's not Bisu good. He looks good until somebody comes along and stomps him, when he looks like a fucking B protoss. He can barely play a decent macro game, because most of the time he gets crushed by somebody with better macro.
Asher Nguyen
omg i just realized snow and rain are separate guys. I thought SK was fighting Snow, and was shocked Snow looked like he did, because I thought he was rain.
Rain-snow- both water themed P's.
Anthony Thompson
Literally just finished watching the VOD. I do like PvP, but having 4 protoss is a bit much.
>Rain is good, but he's not great. He's not Bisu good. He looks good until somebody comes along and stomps him, when he looks like a fucking B protoss. He can barely play a decent macro game, because most of the time he gets crushed by somebody with better macro. Rain is literally the macro protoss, my dude. >Protoss >imbalanced yeah, the other way.