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Each minor problem like a grain of sand, each night i inherit a VTMB thread

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Nos before Hoes

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>I believe in the Camarilla. Camarilla has made my fortune. And I raised my childe in the Camarilla fashion. I gave her Masquerade, but -- I taught her never to dishonor her family. She found a boyfriend; not a Giovanni. She went to the Elysium with him; she stayed out early. I didn't protest. Two months ago, he took her for a drive, with another boyfriend. They made her drink their blood. And then they tried to take advantage of her. She resisted. She kept her honor. So they beat her, like a ghoul. When I went to the haven, her nose was a'broken. Her jaw was a'shattered, held together by fortitude. She couldn't even weep because of the pain. But I wept. Why did I weep? She was the light of my unlife -- beautiful girl. She was beautiful again next night.
>I -- I went to the sheriff, like a good kindred. These two brujah were brought to trial. The Prince sentenced them to three years in exile -- but favors owed. Favors owed! They went free that very day! I stood in Elysium like a fool. And those two bastards, they smiled at me. Then I said to the spirit of my wife, "for justice, we must go to Don Giovanni."

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>The most notorious example of this bleed off is the Giovanni Proxy Kiss. Giovanni make an art out of ghouling, since ghouling is a rite of passage for the Giovanni – ghouling means that the Giovanni is now part of the people who make the family work. Not necessarily a mover and shaker, but something akin to a made man: the Masquerade is pulled back and the truth about vampires is revealed. Giovanni tend to make Proxy Kisses aesthetic efforts, and take a point in pride in producing especially memorable or mind-destroying ones – blood received via fellatio, blasphemous masses and the like are all popular choices

>yfw he's back

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Cute

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Hell Yeah! A kindred can hope

THERE BETTER BE NO VENTRUE NIGGERS IN MY THREAD

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NEVER EVER

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he dead

I like ALL clans.
Except Brujah.

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Undead, yeah

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It's still not over Lasombros. We won't let these pompous faggots the Ventrue take the glory. There is still the DLC route.
Have faith!

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All vampires are dead duh

The Venture Tower assault was KINO
The Chink vampire dungeon crawl was the worst part of the game

>yfw you have fortitude 5

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Nicely done user

Would you be disappointed if we have no new clans outside the core seven even with DLC?

>Game is called Bloodlines
>Only features 3 actual bloodlines

What is he gonna do, suck my aristocratic dick?

he super duper final two times dead

Brujah would be cool if they weren't useless 24/7 anarchs but stark individualists or at least people with real beliefs. Would make them only situationally anarchic but that's more interesting than challenging every authority, fuck off with that.`

Fortitude 5 and Stamina 5. What could actually do enough damage to a vamp that has that?

debofnight.andcuriouser.com/

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This is the best post made in these threads since Tender started

>Damsel looks 10/10 on artworks
>literal 4/10 monkey in-game

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Threadly reminder these are NPCs in the game. It's been confirmed in the last Q&A session.

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He has mad fortitude tho

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He cant be above generation 8. And Fortitude 5 isnt enough to withstand a explosion that large

I would buy the game on the spot if we could have an ending becoming his sherriff. But Baldbro is a good second place option.

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I don't know, a fuckton of C4 exploding right in front of them might do the trick

If he was really that great he would have been able to dominate me right up until the end of the game

*tickles tummy*

>"Good evening, Deb."

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I can't wait to diablerize this guy to become a Brujah and smash the rabble with my newly gained Potence & Celerity to the ground. Camarilla is needed more than ever during the Second Inquisition.

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His dominate isn't as good as his fortitude tho

what's his name again, Yea Forums?

>Lynch Jamall

Guys help, the serial killer...he getting away..

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So these are the NPCs that the thinblood will inherit from? seems like a good idea, but it kind of makes a soft deconfirmation of Nosferatu since nobody would be willing to turn themselves into a Nos

Anyone thinking Nebulation having stealth properties means we likely won't get Obsfucate? Can't really have Nos without it while Malk could easily get away with just having Dementatation and Auspex.

Oh that Dominic. He tells us to go to Dale

They didn't say that, the balding dude said they were NPCs in the game, nothing more than that.

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That's pure speculation. We don't even know for certain it's diablerie at this point.

>nobody would be willing to turn themselves into a Nos

You really believe that?

>the balding dude
Show some respect, user. Florian is cute. CUTE

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>he doesn't know
somebody post the Nos disfigurement chart

Since the combat system of VTMB1 was its weakest part, what would you like it to be in VTMB2? Bring examples from other games if you like.

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based.

Next week nosbros.

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I get the feeling that It's going to play a lot like Condemned.
I'm glad those two are in since they're massive tabletop autists.

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Night eating you?

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They've already said it's going to be like Dishonored, or at least inspired by it, and I don't have any real problems with that.
As long as you can actually dodge attacks and people go flying when you punch them, I'll be happy.

Actually, now that I look at it, they're both balding, the faggot on the left is just holding barely onto his hair which seems to be building a self-propulsion system to escape the desolation of his cranium.

dont even reply to this post if you can't give me a detailed history of the idran and its members, with referenes to the setite intervention and explaining what lucians role in the whole affair was
fucking lorelets

I wish the lighting was better on him

other way around actually

well first of all, they came from ancient korea and FUCK YOU

It's the other way around.

Please post this on the next stream

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>people go flying when you punch them
Yeah but....to a degree, ok? Remember, for example, in the first game when NPCs fought each other and sent everyone flying like they had super strength (but they were humans)? Atrocious. I wouldn't like to see shit like this in the second one.

there's no situation in which lacroix lives. either you kill him, you open the sarcophagus, or he is detained by the camarilla and ostensibly destroyed later.

The only time I remember NPCs in the first game fighting each other was with those random gang members in Downtown going after other random NPCs for some inexplicable reason

Someone post the magazine blurb

Honestly I just went through grouts mansion and beat Jezebel Locke with a Toreador with already high celerity and a reasonable unarmed skill. It's fun as hell, punching dudes and seeing them fly. I honestly like my janky combat, and hope it's not getting AAA polished to death. dishonored inspired combat would be fine actually

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nah, the vampires are tho

>his clan doesn't have an extensive history of blood magic
cringe

Gotchu

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florian is based
anders is not based

It's an old game user. Back when I played it for the first time I thought the NPCs looked great.

Heck, even now some of the facial animations and expressions are better than some games released today.

Thanks

this is the same game that got us VV and the twins. It being old doesn't excuse it

I love how everyone has different facial animations, my favourite is max
I love how he looks at you over his glasses and get up in your face

what magazine is this? the only one of these that could possibly make an appearance is therese, and even that's unlikely. jack is dead, lacroix is also dead.

What's wrong with Anders?

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What did you just say, cami?

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He had at least five dots in Dominate

Technically all disciplines are blood magic.

>"You know, Fledgeling, with great power comes great responsibility. Sasha Vykos called it "Patrician Clan's Burden." Myself, I just call it as I see it: the reaponsibility of the master to discipline the servant."
>Lacroix looks directly at the camera.
>"The thin bloods, the caitiff, the kine...It's our responsibility to civilize them. And if we can't? Then they shall dangle from the elm tree. The Day of the Fang is near, Pete. We'll have every caitiff in this country dead or in chains in 10 years, and may Caine have me blown up by a sarcophagus this very night if I'm wrong. God bless the American Sabbat Party."

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I said you look like the aborded sister of Ronald McDonald you commie fuck

no they're not you retard
blood magic is a term applied to a specific thing in vtm

Yeah, it was fucking dumb to release the same day as fucking Half Life 2 but the source engine really helped them bring the world to life

Absolutely depressed at how bad the Ventrue render is. What the fuck happened, Venchads?

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You know what makes me positive? She says she played bloodlines 2 the most in the whole office and it's fun and she is almost addicted. And the game is not even alpha yet. That's a very good sign, also considering she played vampire LARPs.

Damsel's a communist? I assumed her getup was nothing more than dressing up, or trying to reinforce the fact she's against "the big man". Like, when university attendees study, and go onto preaching Michel Foucault while barely grasping his points. Or, how people admire German National Socialist outfits while not subscribing to Nazism.

So Giovanni and Tremere?

>his clan doesn't have an extensive history of blood magic, moreso than any other clan, especially the shitmere usurpers

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seeth more magecuck

t. ancient manlet twelve year old

They all look like garbage but who gives a fuck as long as the game's good.

Whoever posed him didn't care

But Lacroix is a massive fag. Just a big baby and the shame of the Ventrue clan, I really wish there were more Ventrue in Bloodlines

>implying the kolduns didn't do it better

What's bad about them? Thinblood is fitting, as is Tremere, Ventrue, and Brujah. Toreador, I kind of get, but then again she seems like a wannabe "model" so I suppose that's fitting too.

Depends on the ruleset.
In v20 and before it roughly 9-10 aggravated damage in one attack would be enough if we assume the soaking difficulty to be 6.
In v5 it would take if we assume a build focused on physical resistance it would take 18 aggravated damage with a crit or 2 attacks where the second is those 18 damage.
For bashing/superficial damage and taking damage multiple turns in a row the math becomes difficult.

it's easy to be good at blood magic when you're actually a baali infiltrator :')

FUCK me they can't possibly top the mood and atmosphere of the first game, especially the Hollywood quests

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>all White
>even the Brujah

who /tzimisce/ here?

look at this nigga
bruh where his ears at
he aint got no ears

But it's a s-sjw game

Jack isn't dead, he appeared in either the anarch book or the core, don't remember.
He only died in one of the Gehenna scenarios meaning that is retconned

Good thing your're anonymous, because otherwise I would find you right now and rip out your teeth and push them into your eyes fascist bastard.

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i wish hollywood was longer. we had to stay in shitty downtown for so fucking long but hollywood is almost as short as chinatown and that's a genuine shame. you're not even in the hub that much, you're either in clubs or trawling for nosferatu in the warrens for most of it. i loved the atmosphere of the hub the most of any of the game's hubs, the theme is amazing. rik schaffer said it was his favorite of the bloodlines songs he composed.
youtube.com/watch?v=H7W4xutzzJY

I mean from a more technical level. Lighting is meh and some of the textures (normal maps) are low detail. Using a background in the Brujah and Trememe renders makes the lighting even worse.
They also suffer from the "baby's first UE4 project" syndrome with a bit of that characteristic shitty blur.

But like I said, who gives a fuck as long as the game plays well and the atmosphere's there (this is one of the most crucialthings about the game I think, the feel). I'm sure they'll polish up the visual aspect a lot, it's still very early.

This is also the first song he worked on upon getting out of jail, he was pretty much fucked up at that point.

It's you who is out Lacroix, out of blood points!

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that thing florian said in the Q&A "stream" for ventrue has me thinking that this last clan isn't gonna be a playable clan from the last game. so i guess that rules out nos/malk like everyone was expecting, and gangrel too even though they were NEVER EVER tier. i've seen a lot of speculation for lasombra, but they're just too close to ventrue.
fuck bros i have no idea what it's gonna be, especially if it has to be tied to that picture.

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Amazing character design, I'm sure the writing will be on the same level.

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Assamite to fill that stealth role with Obfuscate & Queitus? I just don't know anymoire, wednesday come now.

imagine having one chance at unlife and being embraced a brujah

What did he say exactly ?

>ur-shulgi reformed assamite shenanigans in seattle

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I would walk into sunlight immediately

Needs to be something stealth. Has to be, I'm betting on it!

Punished LaCroix: Redemption Arc

ofc he's a baby, he's stuck being 21 for eternety

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what clan would you ACTUALLY want to be embraced in? not "which one is the coolest", but if YOU, in YOUR life got embraced, who do you want it to be by?

Toreador. Seems pretty cozy, all pretentious art wanking aside.

probably ventrue if i can pick my blood kink. i would just choose something really common. if not, i guess toreador because it seems the least awful.

Toreador. I'm already an artfag, so yes

For me, it's Baali.

youtube.com/watch?v=uAJv5VHr5yQ

kek

Is this a joke? She directly brings up the greatness of communism for vampires if you talk to her

I would unironically play as Assamite solely to relive the memri moments in VTMB style

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None you dumbfuck.

>thinblood is the only one that doesnt look ugly
fug, tremere would be ok if it wasnt for her nose ring

Yes, part of a sequel is expanding on the original.

Ventrue because fuck the 99% I want to be the big cheese

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I haven't touched the game in years

I got the pendant but how do I free the ghost of the Ocean House hotel?

dont give it to jeannate, give it to therese

>This is your brain on normie

I fucked up.

but its pronounced naws not noes so it doesnt work dingus

Actually Nosferatu so that I can get mad at shit on internet as well as shitposting for an eternity with my bros from the clan.

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>clan
>not picking daddy Caine as a sire

So basically the Australian life?

Depends on what you mean.

>Cool vampire powers

Lasombra

>Comes burdened with the vamp society nonsense

Toreador

Toreador because i'd make quite a nice pouser musician and they seem to have less trouble them most. With that said, i suspect my actual sort of ok, not so pretentious academic degree would make some Malkavians turn their heads.
I still find Nos the coolest option.

which one has the most comforting mommy vampire gf?

>Wanting a giant "diablerize me" target on you

Not in my mother tongue, fagote.

here
Will probably reload because I gave the one girl to Vandal so I can get blood again and I kinda feel bad about it since this isn't an edgerun.

>super strength
>super speed
>rebels against excessive government
Is Peter the greatest Brujah?

>tfw quit job for pursuing art
toreador i guess

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Your mother wears combat boots.

Take it back.

Just send Patty later. She's worthless anyway.

Isn't there one of these that directly talks about drinking blood?

is this accurate

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>no Gangrel
I'm a bit mad we're not in base. But I guess it's fine.

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V5 Tremere so I have no clan curse and there is no Chanty or Pyramid to enforce blood bonding. Also magic

Gangrel. I like solitude. I guess I could be a Ventrue/Toreador because of what I have and what I do but fuck Cams.

Malk. Another derangement or two is just a drop in the bucket at this point, and I have a convenient out to not be involved in any ridiculous vamp politics. Madness network sounds interesting as fuck.

youtube.com/watch?v=Z3AEBnH1kAM

You'll probably show up alongside the Garou in the upcoming story extension.

Tremere. Blood sorcery is really fucking cool and their scholar nature is really appealing to me. Also their clan curse is like ok whatever

i hope there's vents to crawl through

>we
Back to trash furry

I wonder how long that'll get released after base. 6 months I hope?

Gangrelbros come in peace. We want no quarrel.

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I hope Nebulation is not just a vent traveling tool and you can do some cool shit with it once upgraded

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Why are werewolves so fucking OP in WoD?

>Decker shows up to stomp wolfscum
could be baed

Gangrel. You have greater freedom from the Kindred politics bullshit and there is nothing saying you have to be a retarded "The way of the hunt" autist or one of those guys with an entire wardrobe full of howling wolf tshirts. Instead I'd set up a passive income stream and then maybe spend some time walking around on the bottom of the ocean looking for valuables in shipwrecks.

They were literally created to destroy creatures of darkness.

also why must there be werewolves in every vampire setting
fuck furries

The Garou are literally retarded so retard strength keeps them going

Tzimisce. living in in a dirty basement, reshaping myself into weird exiting new forms, and drinking blood from a sink literally made from people.Seems like a pretty good deal. I'd probably want to put a lot of effort into separating myself from Kupala though.

Ventrue, Brujah and Toreador are so fucking boring.
Prove me wrong

>not wanting an entire wardrobe of sick ass howling wolf shirts

You'd be second generation, Literally on Caine's own level.

It balances out with their larger scale retardation. Which is why they are losing their war which is also why their gameline is called Werewolf the Apocalypse

Do i preorder Yea Forums?

not gonna because you're right

Caine learned long ago that siring is a mistake

nah, you're boring if you NEED ultra high fantasy alien bullshit to get off
you probably wanted vulpera in wow

>over 6 years

This video is what got me to buy VTMB

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I cannot. They indeed are the vampire faglords

But the Giovanni are not part of the Camarilla.

where can i get music like youtu.be/DY7XEWwCXNk#t=59

Have you never watched The Godfather?
And Giovanni are generally "accepted" in Cam cities if they keep the rules

Why are they so restarted

So what Clans are confirmed so far and how many reveals remain?

No, user.
Reminder to NOT pre-order.
If you have, cancel it.

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Potentially.
Not instantly.

just bought 20 premium packs for my friends

Hope so, so I can diablerize his ass

Hold me back

Their chimpouts literally led to them killing tons of and even wiping out some species of other werebeasts.

Thinbloods, Banu Haqim, Tzimisce, Baali and Ventrue have been confirmed. One reveal remains.

the premium ($90) doesn't sound that bad actually for 2 DLC + xpack

I need to get the premium edition

couldn't be lying more, proof or fuck off

Play Redemtion with cheats and enjoy the story

>Toreador
>Has sex

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Gonna pirate it day 1 just to deny the tranny devs their estrogen pills.

>Banu Haqim, Tzimisce, Baali
Doubt

will someone remake VTMB ever

ya

>sarcophagus table
Does that mean we can decorate our apartment/den? Comfy

They are literally losing their war.
The real OP thing is mages. They can do anything. Literally anything if they "will" it hard enough. Of course the thing is if they do shit which is explicitly supernatural reality pushes back and can fuck them up but there are easy work arounds by making everything look like coincidences.

No, there are some problem with the rights between Activision and Paradox I think.

The Tremere girl has really fucked up arms and the Toreador one seems to have unequal hips.

ok ty

>Tremere mages
>Turn into vampires
JUST

>They can do anything.
Sure and if a sleeper looks at it they get blown up into space or visited by Grandfather Wrinkle

DAMSEL IS CUTE!
CUTE!

What Pokemon would Lacroix have

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Why tho

It's the Ankaran Sarcophagus. Showing every clan's specific hideout, I felt that us customizing it was a given. Even the thing on the website unlocks clan wall decor once you get the bouncer outfit. The special edition is just "remember this from bloodlines 1?" the pack

Gangrel are based. I want to fuck Ennoia

Rate the clans
In terms of best fuck to worst to fuck

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to have something more to enjoy inbetween games
remakes are often delegated to random companies rather than ones producing the main game, so it won't interfere with anything
make money get paid

>best
Tzimisce: They can look like your perfect waifu
>also pretty good
anyone with presence

>Has "sex"

Yeah but no tzimisce would look like your perfect waifu.
Instead they'd fuck with you in horrifying sexual ways.
The back of the Tzimisce clanbook showed vagina dentata

Yes, I understand what the quote is referencing, it just doesn't work.
Giovanni is an independent clan and don't really abide by Camarilla rules. They are "tolerated" maybe, but still not part of it.

>Best
Toreador
>Worst
The rest

But you've played the original. It works (with mods). Why a remake, the graphics? Who gives a shit. Play the original again

Wait, where have they shown the clan hideouts?

So how exactly does that nor work with the italian mob and the american government.
And just because the clan as a whole is independent/Anarch/Sabbat doesn't mean each member is. There are still a lot of Camarilla Gangrel and Brujah and there were a few Camarilla Lasombra even before half the Clan defected.

The giovanni are explicitly allowed to exist "outside" of the camarilla as long as they never (officially) directly meddle in its affairs
The giovanni influence on the mob is overstated - they're not as involved as they want you to think (read WoD: Mafia). Their real power is in finance where they're even stronger than the ventrue

whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Isabel_Giovanni
whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Marciana_Giovanni
2 prominent Giovanni acting as spies in the Camarilla.
3 of the character concepts in the Giovanni Clanbook Revised are mentioned to be diplomats to the Camarilla. Pic related is one of them

whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Donatello_Giovanni
>He was also responsible for the negotiations that ensured the successful raid on New York by the Camarilla.

For two different sects of vampires which would ordinarily tear each other apart, the Giovanni have good relations with the Camarilla.

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Does this mean that Caine and his low gen buddies weren't as powerful just after their embraces as they eventually became? Were they ever as weak as modern fledglings?

How do you get more blood points pn the website? Only by referring friends?

Caine was probably instantly uber powerful due to how weird he is
Second and third gens probably started out weak though, although maybe being embraced before the clan cursed changed that
And fourth fifth gen 100% did

That's the backgrounds with the clan reveals

Once you've found all the bloodbags and the unique bloodbag, it's just referalls

Actually trannies are covered in basic health insurance here.

Not quite, generation gives a sort of "bottom" layer in terms of vampiric powerlevels but it's nothing groundbreaking.

:^)

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>want to play the real life LARP vtm games with the paper rulebooks and whatnot
>everyone involved in this is a cringe tier goth in 2019 or some flavor of fruitcake

My friend took me to an event of this one time, I was like the only dude there who didn't enjoy little girls. And the chicks were all fujo-esque too, is vtm roleplay just doomed to this weird shit? The thing is, they all had good jobs, they literally rented a space for thousands of dollars and were all white collar at least, it's so weird to see seemingly well adjusted people act like teenage girls from tumblr with a cutting problem. I feel like I just don't understand the reality of this world sometimes, it's not fair that they are like this

Generation sets:
>How much blood you can store
>How much blood you can spend in a turn
>Who you can/can't dominate/be dominated by
>Trait/Attribute/Discipline maximums

If you can get a vampire’s powers by diablerizing them, can you drink like 10 different clans and get all disciplines?

>And just because the clan as a whole is independent/Anarch/Sabbat doesn't mean each member is.
The Giovanni are more united then any other clan.
They and the Tzimisce are the only ones truly without Anti-tribu. But the Tzimisce have those Old Clan members who arent part of the Sabbat. The Giovanni are united, as a family, as a clan and as a independent sect.
Why? Well because every Giovanni vampire is born and raised as a member of the Giovanni family or one of their connected subsidiary families. Family loyalty is instilled from birth. Not to mention traitors have no power and nowhere to go. The Giovanni elders would never turn sides because of their secret plan to conquer the entire world by merging the physical world with the underworld. They still have their rivalries as clans do but they never betray the clan as a whole. The rare neonate who thinks he's smart is hunted down almost immediately.

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LARPs are somewhat different from classical p&p.
But if you can't deal with weird people VtM and most other roleplaying outside of DnD dungeon crawl probably isn't for you

You can't get any Blood Magic from diablerizing. Other than that, theoretically, assuming you never fail the rolls and get possessed, yes you could.
Would probably be an easier way to go about it htough

Since all this is going to be GOG-based, are there going to be day one cracks?

Tzimisce

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The idea of a vampire mafia who are also necromancers sounds so cool

I might pre-order it but I'm waiting on them to show some actual gameplay and reveal some more details. We don't have much to go on right now.

Not needed given that it'll release on gog.

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patrician sex haver choice

It's not going to have a DRM, at least for the GOG version. You can get it as soon someone uploads a torrent of it. Steam will probably have Steam-DRM that's super easy to bypass.

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How the fuck do I save the archeologist guy?

I strongly feel like I'm a pretty useless person, I don't know if I could survive under any clan. By process of eliminating the least fitting clans, I'd probably mesh most well with Gangrel or Nosferatu but I don't think I could be valuable or self-efficient and would likely just die a second time.

Make it to the boat in time.

how did you manage to fuck it up?

Do this: Whilst making sure you don't leave him behind

I told him he can escape with me, but he wouldn't even move, so I escaped without him

>They and the Tzimisce are the only ones truly without Anti-tribu.
You're forgetting the Tremere.

I guess its the game crapping out? I wouldnt worry about it since he never shows up or gets referenced again

Oh right. The status of Tremere anti-tribu has jumped around a lot. In V5 you have fucking Anarch Tremere. But V5 also has the Sabbat and Giovanni almost wiped out so fuck it.

Yeah, I already finished the game, I was just wondering if that was intended or not

Ignore V5. It's shitty and it destroys the already weak meta.

brujah are dumb niggers

Followers of Set, only ones who can win the Jyhad

the wiki said rescuing him is optional so I assume there was a dialogue tree that led to you killing him for masquerade purposes

Just play tabletop instead of LARPing

Also
>They have money, how can they be weird??
Lol

Dark ambient i guess

Necromancy is fun.
>Bastone Diabolico
>Casting this ritual is tricky because it requires the removal of a leg bone from a living person. The donor must survive the removal, at least for a little while. The bone is then submerged in molten lead. Once it cools, the thin lead coating is inscribed with various runes. The necromancer then uses this metal-shod bone to beat its donor to death while repeating a droning Greek chant. With a successful roll, this ritual produces a bastone diabolico or “devil stick.”
>Dead Man’s Hand
>The necromancer takes a rag stained in the blood, sweat, or tears of the intended victim. She takes a freshly severed human hand (which can come either from a corpse or a living “donor”) and closes it around the rag. As the hand decomposes, so does the victim. His flesh bloats, turns gray and then green, then starts to slough off. The victim’s brain remains fresh until the very end, so he can see the maggots writhe in the putrescent rack of meat that once was his healthy body.

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Host a campaign

going to be super mad if they dont include malks they make the game so much better with the dialogue

This, I know a guy who makes $100k+ a year and all he talks about is snorting coke, choking his Asian girlfriend and wanting to punch her and others in the stomach/gore them. Don't let monetary wealth, or lack thereof, cloud your judgement on people's characters.

>best
Lasombra, wanna get my undead dick torn off by shadows
>worst
Brujah
Would rather fuck a nossie than niggers

Meet Dwayne Lacroix, Insurrection Baby Formula

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wtf I love lacroix now

Neat. Are there more cool rituals?

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>Oh, hey it's you, user!
>where have you been?

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Time for the requisite Yea Forums VtM campaign? The two I've been in from here were good til the STs fucked off

Man, I wish I knew how to play tabletop games.

weren't these 3 the clans that got transferred to the nwod vampire series? they're meant to be generic, malleable, and boring to provide a base for the other clans to be cool.

I wonder if they intended to make something more with that plotline

no i am a turtle

Just read the book, it's not hard.

Nah, Daeva replaced Toreador in nWoD.

Started the game today for the first time, didn't spoil myself at all. Only played the tutorial and a bit after it. I'm very confused, but so far I like it.

>they're meant to be generic, malleable, and boring to provide a base for the other clans to be cool.
Agreed, that why I would rather have them as NPCs in VTMB2. You could keep one of them, either Ventrue or Toreador as playable for the vanilla experience.

Open it.
Also you shouldn't visit these threads if you want to continue unspoiled.

Which book? Not sure what people use.

Who this dumbass looking nigga

Get out of this thread now, install the unofficial patch, and don't do pure social

So is there a chance she was actually working for hunters to keep a eye out for someone fitting your description?

guns are the most important skill. they are a shit early game so just punch until you get the 44 magnum then guns are the strongest

I doubt it.

Didn't read anything, gonna report back in a few days. And whatever "it" is we'll see.
Patched up nicely, thanks for reminding me.

I'm out!

you dont even need good rituals
3 dots in necromancy gives you access to a servant who can become completely invisible, walk through walls and set shit on fire
just think about what you can do with that

Ur-shulgi. He was 2nd in command of the Assmaites after his sire and Assamite antediluvian, Haqim. After Haqim fucked off to wander the earth Ur-Shulgi fell into torpor. When he awoke it was 1999. The Assanite had been put under a curse by the Tremere back in the 14th century after plenty of effort. Ur-Shulgi got rid of this curse in a couple seconds. In 1999 a large portion of the Assamites had become Muslim as they live in the middle east. Ur-Shulgi disliked this worship of anyone that was not Haqim and started executing those who would not convert.

>he's going to open it now

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Why is there an entire subspecies whose gimmick is being punk?
That sounds more like a un-lifestyle that any random vampire would be able to choose at will.

How do I get rid of blood shield?

press the end disciscpline button (think it was f8)

now how can i preorder this while only preordering the base game and season of the wolf without all the shit in the middle

>all these LaCroixcucks coming out of the woodworks

youtube.com/watch?v=uoUCyrg5Syo

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You are now a Lacroixcuck too.

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i've heard VTM described as putting the RP over the G in RPG, whereas something like DnD would be the reverse. that's naturally going to attract more weirdos than just regular nerds like a G focused RPG would.

...

You probably can just untick them on Steam. I bought it from Steam but aside from the soundtrack and the mission DLCs, I'm not interested in any of the shit in the middle.

Take a look here
whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Necromancy_Rituals

wtf i love LaCroix now? Praise be to the Camarilla!

>Nunzio felt vaguely idiotic as he gestured with the knife at the stuffed animal.
>“Goddamn it Betsy,” he yelled, “If you don’t do what I tell you, I swear I will slit this furry fucker from tail to ears and shit in the stuffing!”
>“Nooo…” wailed the little girl ghost. “That’s Mister Fun Bunny! My daddy gave him to me!”
>“I don’t care if he’s Mister Fuck Buddy, unless you watch that old bastard — the guy I showed you, with the big ears and the beard — the rabbit’s gone, got it? Gone!”
>The young ghost sobbed, provoking disgust deep in Nunzio’s stilled heart. Maybe he should have tried the other ghost, the one tied to that goddamn weight belt, of all things… then Nunzio saw that Betsy was reluctantly nodding.
>“You’ll go?” She dipped her head. “Good. See? Was that so hard? And after you tell me what he did, tell you what: We’ll go to McDonald’s and you can watch some kids, all right?”
>“The one with the playground?” Jesus Christ. “Sure. Whatever.”

Controlling ghosts aint easy. They dont want to work for you. You have to find out what they are tied to and then you either have to butter them up and do them favors or you have to beat the fuckers down, either literally through magic or by threatening what they care about. But ghosts are so held together by emotion its unpredictable and hard dealing with them. Plus all that shit they can use against you.

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It's hard, but the Giovanni are used to it. They've captured millions of ghosts. Plus spending willpower plus using the right stats means you'll almost never fuck up the roll, and if you do, just have some rituals prepped beforehand

Uhmm..
>Rape of Persephone: By surgically creating up to seven additional genitalia on a fresh corpse out of its tissue, the performing Necromancers can freely trade Willpower points among each other and have greater success at following necromantic spells that do not specifically target a ghost, provided that they do have intercourse with the newly modified corpse.

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seven vaginas

What happened to the other eight rodriguezs?

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nine eight seven

died of starvation like most commies

Fuck you

I'll only preorder if Lasombra/Tzimisce are in, and when we get legit gameplay trailers it doesn't look like pure ass

>Drink of Lethe's Waters: After acquiring a personal object of a wraith that can be damaged with water, the Necromancer destroys by leaving it to soak in water and repeatedly spitting on it. After the object has been destroyed, the wraith loses all memory of her life among the living, making it highly suggestible.
*spits on the ghost’s item*

Worked, thanks, user

Nines wasn't a commie

How would playable Tzimisce work?

They'd probably have to dumb it down for the game, ala Antitribu Mod for the original
Vicissitude (like Dominate) is far too open ended to be ever be faithfully adapted

>Tzimisce DLC
>have to hunt different NPC to gather material for Vicissitude
>can access a new character creation screen where you can alter your appearance/add new limbs

Celeryity
Bananamalism
Potatonce
Oblivionion
Vicissiturnip
Obfusgrape
Dillmentation
Fortiprune
Tomatourgy
Ausparagus
Dominutmeg
Pearsance
Protein

Mangokavian
Brujalapeno
Tremelon
Nosferadish
Toreadate
Ventruffle
Gangravy
Lasombread
Assalamite
Tzimiso
Giovanilla
Ravnioli

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these icons are ugly AF. i hope they're changed in the beta at least.

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Sunlight.
On that note, a friend of mine read all the older versions, and there was something about an Antedeluvian fighting 3 ancestors from Kuei Jin or the like for 3 days and nights before the technocracy nuked the place. Any of this ring any bells? I vaguely remember the details, but can fortitude 10 or something enable you that much resistance against sunlight? So can Caine walk during the day?

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why doesnt she have bobs?

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Jesús Christ that Ventrue looks like shit. Its not even just appearance wise. The model itself looks unfinished.

>she

I want to be Toreador, but I am more likely to be either Brujah or Ventrue (I don't which cause I am rebellious but my rebelliousness usually is more strict and orderly). But I want it the cyberpunk version.

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yah some of them look like they were ripped from dishonored as well desu

user's got it right though, she doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about

As it should be.

What clan is he?

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i hope they keep the retarded faggotry to a minimum

Toreador, easily.

Toreador 100%

>Anne Rice vampires
all Toreadors, duh

No it will be degenerate as fuck which is fitting

What clan is he?

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gay

I’m pretty sure her faggot vampires are the whole inspiration behind the clan

Trick question, the answer was "Best Clan"

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No actually this guy was right

Too bad his childe is a faggot.
I really enjoy this movie though

Runway models are technically flat

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about to start my first modded playthrough of the game, what mods are essential?

because the men who gives their jobs are fags

Essential? Unoffical Patch. Thats it.
As for actual mods and not patches.
Clan Quest is the best

VTMR has the best soundtrack
youtube.com/watch?v=pOaPkzRA7A4&list=PL965C264E02026EDD

unless you can manage to ascend and become a exarch,

what the fuck bros?
i thought this was a good game
fuck this shit

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The clothes look better on slimer bodies that's why

Would a high humanity brujah played as having a strong sense of justice (according to him) rather than rabble be out of character?

What could be those things at the bottom row of this red list?

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It's fucking 2004, what are you an asshole

Out of character? My friend, Clan does not equal character. Nothing stopping a Brujah from having a high respect for justice. They are probably the clan with the least strict embracing standards.
Brujah and Nosferatu are the clans which would make the coolest vigilantes.

>tfw Toreador with Malk bf
In this instant, follow your passion. Life is too short to work until death.

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According to my job history toreador gangrel or ventrue

Seems very unlikely.

Yeah that wasn't the exact term. I meant would that quality be compatible with the clan curse, as in being obsessed by it to the point of being distracted or put into dangerous situations, kinda like how torries can be distracted/attracted by a graffiti or even a sunrise

>He doesn't know the character is actually the Lasombra antediluvian that lost his memory. The Ankara sarcophagus is the players coffin.

So Yea Forums, which clan has the best song at Succubus Club and why is it Tzimisce?
>youtube.com/watch?v=vympzV240mM

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>no gangrel with unfucked claw moveset in VTMB2
It was the one clan I wanted.

Followed by Ravnos and Tremere, in that order.

Ventrue

AND I

I COULD HAVE DIED LAST NIGHT

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Based

Mfw getting another vtm game
youtube.com/watch?v=dxucr5TSxDg
/comfy/

Ash, because I always vaporize his old ass.

We're getting two, not just one.
Rejoice.

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>ywn get noticed by your senpire

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Reminder that it will be set in current day and therefore it wont have such old gay music

Yeah that vtm game should be good too, made by The Council devs

I have no faith in those devs whatsoever

The moon is out and everyone is in dreamland and you've turn into The Deb of Night.
>debofnight.andcuriouser.com/

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Do you have any idea how insignificant you are?

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Bold statement. Why? From what I've seen of that game, it's an interesting new take on RP telltale type games.

Are those all the character models or will we be creating a character?

>Bold statement.
You must be new here

And this is the perfect example of why all vampires become selfish, jaded, cunts.
For they are cursed to be surrounded by zoomers for all of eternity.

Those are npcs, you will be able to create your own character

God, imagine living as a peer to Roman emperors then being exposed to all this degeneracy and stupidity.

Okay cool. I didn't like half the models from the first game so just cutting out the middle man there is an improvement

Based

I feel weird preferring the beak nose goth Deb over this one because everyone posts that one instead and it doesn't fit her at all, to me.

I get that she's not a vamp but she stays up all night every night listening to Andrei's bullshit. Make her gaunt and sarcastic, not college Becky.

Why do you think Dracula fucked off to a castle and never goes outside anymore?

post it

convince me to finish vtmb before this comes out, i got maybe halfway through it as a malkavian.

just found the sarcophagus if that helps

Did you stop because you didn't lile it or dod you just progress tl that point?

is fine too, just wanted to rant I guess.

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Because he's based. I bet he has 20+ ghouls all tailored to his liking.

Yeah that one sucks, I do think Deb should be goth-ish but not that, almost looks like a man.

Honestly I always imagine Deb as the club owner you work with.

muh dick
muh heart

This is the first time I've ever seen you post anything other than this. You never even respons to replies. What changed?

i was enjoying it but i lost interest for some reason and just stopped playing

I had a beautiful dream.
I dreamed that it was 2020 and that game came out. I bought it, installed it and booted it. I was greeted by character creation that was very similar to Destiny's. I just went default and upon existing character creation I was asked to pick my pronouns. There were hundreds of bullshit pronouns I've never heard about and among them, there was... potato sandwich? I picked that one. Black screen and my character is slowly waking up in the court. Vin Diesel looking guy starts yelling at my character, pressing me for information about the mass embrace. And then he turns to "audience" and is about to bitch about me to them, but then he suddenly stops and turns around back to me again. He comes very close to me and whispers the next question in my ear:
>Please tell me what are your pronouns.
The same guy that was yelling at me and wants to kill my character is now the same guy that is worried the most about how he should address me...
>mfw this shit is probably gonna happen in reality as well

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That was your insight. You're a Malkavian confirmed.

>So can Caine walk during the day?
>Be cursed by god to never die
Guess.

>potato sandwich
Now I'll be mad if they don't include that in pronouns category. kek

There won't be potato sandwich pronoun in reality, that's for sure.

He wont die but he'll essentially be engulfed in hellfire for the entire day which is the worst kind of pain so generally speaking its not a good idea

I'm glad he's considerate enough to ask. What a swell guy

The beauty portrayed in this whole scenario almost brings me to tears.
You shouldn't have woken up.

The character creation happens separate to and before the intro. It's not like Skyrim of Fallout. Everything is done in menus prior to waking up in the courtroom.

I vote for potato sandwich being recognized as real and only pronoun.

>Yeah that one sucks
I disagree.

>almost looks like a man.
I don't see it. She's really gaunt though. Can see why that might not be appealing or fit her somewhat seductive personality, if you're not me. is basically perfect for what I imagined her as. Sardonic, playful, nightcrawler-y etc.

Bald guy is very nice to ask. More kindred should look up to him in an example.

>sun gets burned 7*(ultra pain)
Heh

Why'd Deb go offline after Andrei's call? She never does that - even with the more creepier callers, and yet a cryptic Tzimisce drives her offline. Suspicious, no?

Why would Therese be fucking around in Seattle when she's supposed to be running Santa Monica?

The Asylum is a cross-American franchise now.

HAHA
chase his ass nigga! OH SHIT
youtube.com/watch?v=hbe3CQamF8k

This shit needs to happen. It may be the only way I can play a Tzimisce.

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>You are my angel
>Come from way above
>To bring me love
>Her eyes
>She's on the dark side
>Neutralize
>Every man in sight
Surprisingly fitting.

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w-what? How old are you, and are you a guy or girl? Where do you live? Suddenly Lacroix poster becomes much more interesting. If you're wondering, I'm 20

>a sabbat campaign where the goal is to take a city from the camirilla
would be kino, fuck the masquerade

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Toreador, I'm way too interested in people and beauty in all things for anything else. Ventrue? Nah I don't care about power or money that much. I want it for sure, but only so I don't have to ever worry about it.

>Yea Forumsampire sabbat campaign
Now we're talking.

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I think the game is gonna suck hard, so I'm not even thinking of buying it until gameplay comes out.

yeah there definitely is dialogue to kill him to uphold the masquerade

getting real sick of jewish dlc

where did this image come from? the child in the bottom row could be a nicktuku.

He is the one character I want in vtmb2

You guys there will an option to stay thinblood?

Third row third column is literally stolen from the comic Preacher.

Doubtful. They've made it clear that you'll need to join a certain clan in order to be able to beat levels past "thin blood" stage.

Daddy..

Wod is a table top and people use w.e. pics for their campaigns so maybe a random dm made it?

Oh well. Could have made an intetesting challenge run option.

I don't see them doing Tzimisce.

You can remain as a thin blood. It's why it's a clan option

3
>Boney angular face girl/man/thing with short hair
4
>Absolute typical modern female horseface design

These are our two female characters so far.

Forgot about Lou. She's a curvy, milk machine. There's also some woman in green, who's fairly attractive. Stop looking for things to get upset over.

Gangrel because they mostly lack a hierarchy and not much would be expected of me. I'd get to live away from the politics bullshit and do my own thing. Would suck to contend with garou but it'd be worth it.

hahaha, not to mention how similar it is to the menu theme, no?

BABY GIRL!

I want Fat Larry as a ghoul

>No Malavians in Bloodlines 2
>No Nosferatu in Bloodlines 2

DROPPED

FUCKING

DROPPED

Source? That has to be bullshit. There's no way they'd throw in the Tzimisce, or Lasombra, or Assamites over one of those two.

They will both be in but one of them will be DLC and one will be in the base game

The redditor clan will be dlc

I don't have to look
the titty monster from the trailer is just there to satisfy chubby chaser that like girls who risk heart attack every time they fuck

The lady in green is the closest we have, and I have zero hope she'll look that good in the game because none of the other in game females look decent.

autistic queer

itll be assamite

for minority points

as a nos fag i would be fine with this just to spite malks

Devs already said they don't want to do Assamite.

assamites are lame as shit muzzies. lasombra are most asked for and would be pretty cool to have.

Assamite are cool as fuck though. Vampyric assassins who are also diablerists.

Ideally the final count would have been:

Malkavian
Nosferatu
Lasombra
Assamite


Each of those has a highly specific flavor.

Tremere is another good clan with a solid identity.

Anything after those is fine I guess.

THe problem with Toreador, Brujah, Ventrue, is the prior game struggled with making them feel distinct. They are distinct, but they really need to do a better job this time around in realizing that.

Thin Bloods was a terrible idea.

Lasombra and Malkavian are my favorite clans. The idea that one of these will most likely be left out is terrible. The idea that both will be left out will just write the game off my interest list entirely.

You should host one bro. I've never played before and I have no clue where to find a game

If they included Malkavians they would totally fuck it up. This is why I don't want them in. Lasombra could be done but Oblivion might be tricky to implement into the game.

thin bloods are actually my favorite part so far and i was really against it at first. chiropteran and nebulation sound cool as fuck and in the previous games you only ever used two disciplines because one was always trash or not needed. Now you not only get to have a cool new skill with ANY clan you can pick a different one with that same clan each time!

the only thing im mad about in regards to thin bloods was that they used that as a "clan reveal" meaning we have less of the actual clans at release.

Cool. Is it basically hard mode? Rejecting vampirism seems like a cool choice.

Gangrel are all but guaranteed as DLC.

>2019
>actually liking attractive women instead of stick boy-girl looking things, horse faced hags and obese hamburger inhaling landwhales gets you called a queer

The absolute state of Humanity in current day.

Fuck that shit, let Boris Vellejo, Luis Royo, Victoria Frances and Frank Frazetta do character design for modern western games. I'm sick of this ugly as looking shit western devs insist is attractive.

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>story pack 1
>story pack 2
>expansion
>pronoun dlc pack
>yes to consent dlc pack
>tremere chantry expansion pack
>nosferato bdsm gear dlc pack
>malkavian fishmalk outfit dlc pack

I wouldnt worry about malks but it would be a relief if they arent the last clan because it would be very highly they will get a cool tailored dlc where as if they are the last clan then we probably wont have nos or lasombra.

im positive no matter what malks will get in the game simply because the new auspex (which will be their second discipline) was tailored to them. the fact that you can over power someone with your mind with auspex sounds very malk.

best case scenario for this game is if this last clan reveal is either nos or lasombra since we need a stealth based clan with malks and gangrel as dlc.

If not Malk or Las, I'd find a way to settle on Nosferatu.

But I love my Malks and Las and I want them fully realized.

I have 25 physical copies of the original but will be pirating because fuck DLC and fuck paying for digital
Just play the original

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assamite would be sick and only people who hate video games would disagree unless what i heard is true and they got rid of quietus?

Daddy?

are you trying to be the next local autist around here next to Rudiposter?

so you guys realize that all the good writing is gona be replaced with jokes on par with FUCK DRUMPH, right?

can someone explain the last pack to me? the first two is just skins and extra stuff but what the hell are story packs?

after last clan reveal and after more gameplay is shown i might buy first blood because i really want the civil war saber skin. since they have that i hope you can get a union/confederate hat and coat in game. would be super cool.

>buy
why? just pirate

to support the game, retard.

you're a retard for giving a donation to a company

Probably new Hubs and some other stuff that will be added beyond just new stories.

We don't talk about the week of nightmares

this . if the game doesnt look good i wont play it at all. but if I do play it then I dont mind paying because I want VTMB to grow as a franchise because i love it. also im not 12 and dont have to worry about mommy and daddy buying me things.

wearable confederate hat for PC characters? that's almost as unlikely as wearable MAGA hats for PC characters

World of Darkness is mostly shit. It's basically a dumb tabletop game with a bunch of mediocre adaptations across multiple forms of media. And then 1 masterpiece of a video game. The odds of other games turning out better than mediocre or outright shit are almost nonexistent.

based, the hero the Assamite's deserve

VTMB is far from a masterpiece. I doubt it'd be that hard to replicate the formula that made it so good either. All it needs is the atmosphere and fun rping like the first game had.

There's also the possibility that Bloodlines 2 will be good and do well enough that investors will make the mistake of pulling the trigger on adapting a bunch of the shittier WoD game lines(ie anything not V:tM)

This dude looks pretty cool, I hope that he's the Brujah player character

What ever happened to that Werewolf game?

He's an NPC, you retard.
You make your own damn character.
This shit has been repeated million times already.

Orpheus was better than vtm

Hollywood feels really rushed to me. I wonder if there were some issues with development that caused stuff to get cut from Hollywood specifically. The sewers section in particular screams "oh fuck we're out of time just trow something together".

I would want to be a Brujah. Fuck the Camarilla.

It's still coming out iirc. They just announced it too early so it seems like it's been in development for ten years. Most people haven't been optimistic about it being good, but we don't know much about it yet.

>buying
That's the thing, you aren't buying anything, you are giving a donation to a company.
You have the mind of a 12 year old if you don't have enough self control to not give them money. They have already fucked the game over with DLC and it isn't even out yet.

>source: my ass

>VTMB is far from a masterpiece. I doubt it'd be that hard to replicate the formula that made it so good either.

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>Rejecting vampirism seems like a cool choice.
It's more like a soft-rejection. You're still a vampire, just a bit more sparkly than most.

Autism level 1000

My closest pick would either be a Malk because it's a character type I'm already quite close to or Malk because I shitpost in my cave all day already anyway.

>either be a Malk
>or Malk

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See what I mean, I wanted to say Nos for second but my brain didn't let me.

Never, ever, FUCKING EVER, give (you) to supposed "newfags" after certain statement has been known for a long ass time. Especially when such statements can be found repeated in this very same thread. Mainly because person in question is 99.9% pretending to be retarded for (you)s which shall evolve into a further shitposting to get more (you)s, and off 0.1% they're genuinely retarded.

You're welcome for this tip.

Where the FUCK do you go to play tabletop? I've been interested until these fucking thread but it sounds fun as hell

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>beat the first game only once
>decide to do a 2nd run
>doing the hotel
Man, why do I have to be such a wimp. Trying Malkavian too so I'm sure the dememted whisperings won't help

Get friends and convince them to play it with you, alternatively you could ask /tg/ and see where they point you to. There's a site that hosts games, but I can't remember it's name.

What's actually wrong with being Brujah? Seems like if you have a real cause to fight for then it's one of the better clans.

>tfw your friends are dudebros at worst and normies at best so they'd never agree it

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They are in interesting clan in the backstory, with scholarly warrior-monks and and poet-kings and shit. But the tabletop writers assumed their core audience would want a teenage punk political activist clan and wrote the Brujahs' history to make that happen, and so modern Brujah don't get to have nice things.

Nah there problems start at their beginning. Their ante did do the whole scholarly warrior shtick, but he got eaten by one of his childer who was worthless and then in turn spawned the clan as we know them. That's why their whole spiel about being "the Learned Clan: smells like bullshit. They got jipped from the get.

Tremere unironically.

Old Clan Tzimisce followed by Tremere

>tfw no cute childe to protecc and take care of

Malkavian

>Praise be to the Camarilla!
not even lacroix believes this
only /ourguy/ max does

runway fashion is about the clothes not the model wearing them

Ventrue. Dominate, Presence, and Fortitude sound like the single best combination of disciplines possible in the modern world.

You're an idiot to suggest runway actors or irrelevant to the art.

i was going to write about how sticc models are important because they're the closest thing to walking mannequins but i thought it would be implied, guess i was wrong. based brainlet.

>the only thing im mad about in regards to thin bloods was that they used that as a "clan reveal" meaning we have less of the actual clans at release.
we were always going to get 5 full blooded clans at release, i remember them talking about that the first day the revealed the game, thin bloods getting a reveal trailer and stream didn't affect anything

t. Cara
Normal models are paid absolute garbage you spoiled whore

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I wish dresses weren't so fucked up in VtMB 1, femTrem has the best aesthetic.

There are plenty of runway models that are not sticks. The appearance of a selected model is determined by whatever vision the artist has for their work. It has nothing to do with mannequins. Most mannequins, from the perspective of an average person, aren't even sticks, you fucking dumb nigger. They're made to model regular humans to sell a fucking product in retail. There's no fucking intrinsic quality to mannequin design that makes them universally ideal for runways. This whole statement is a fucking blatant misunderstanding of anything to do with the process.
Nothing I implied suggested they were treated well, just that they're often chosen for very specific traits. The picture the other user paints implies that runway organizers would take any shmuck of the street. As if runway models aren't all desperate as hell and treated like crap despite working their butts off to look a specific way for a shoot or whatever they can scrap together.

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True Brujah for time-manipulation BS and maximised autism.

>There are plenty of runway models that are not sticks.
yeah if you're watching old navy SS20 maybe. no non meme house will walk non-skeles.
>MUH VISION
notice how every designer that isn't a hack uses the same silhouette of model, isn't that a coincidence?