Now that DMC 5 is out and is actually good, are you faggots finally willing to admit that this game sucks?

DMC4 sucks ass
the only thing DMC in general is good for is the gay porn

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All dmc games are average at best. They have decent ideas but they can never get them right and it always ends up just meh.

Devil May Cry 5 actually retroactively made Devil May Cry 4 a better game. It felt like this awkward incomplete off-shoot that didn't add much in the grand scheme of things, that also left loose ends. Yet it was also "the end" of the franchise for a decade.

With DMC5 the fourth game now actually feels more like a middle-chapter that serves as an introduction to Nero as a character. I don't dislike it as much anymore.

Nero's fine in 5 because he's actually got a personality in it. The worst part of 5 was making Vergil the main villain again.

nah you're probably just trash

I also watched Gaming Brit's DMC5 video

I have the platinum in them all since I'm a trophy whore but ok.

DMC 1 and 5 are great. I'll agree with the others though.

>The worst part of 5 was making Vergil the main villain again.

If he wasn't in it you know that people would have bitched hard as fuck. DMC5 had to be the ultimate fan-service game after 10 years.

Also, the reasoning for why Vergil was a villain/hero in the story with Urizen/V was actually quite clever. It wasn't as much of a rehash as people claim it is.

I'm sure somebody else on the planet has a similar opinion I have.

>The worst part of 5 was making Vergil the main villain again.
And then everything he's done is excused because Nero is a sweet boy or whatever.

Correct

5 is fine aside from V who is as unfun as DmC and DMC2

I legitimately though DMC4 was shit when I played it on '08 and Special Edition only gets a little bit more slack from me because Trish is the funnest character to play in the game.

>quite literally half a game
>no bonus costumes until nearly a decade later in SE
>bosses were all incredibly forgettable outside Credo and Berial, DMC5 also suffers a bit in this department because its line up of bosses is also quite forgettable
>Nero was utterly boring to play as and in my opinion marked the downfall of any story potential the series had because they want to replace Dante so badly but realize they can't
>Dante's missions being Nero's in reverse
>Garbage enemies in general but had some nice ones like Blitzes
>Absolutely no sense of impact in anything you do (this sort of carried over into DMC5)
>Artstyle and presentation shifted from gothic/urban with horror elements to a very clean "jpop" look. They did this because they actually wanted to attract more fujos and gay men to the franchise
>Added a needless timer to Bloody Palace which does not make sense because the requirement for an S Rank is just to fucking FINISH Bloody Palace, which carried over into DMC5 for no reason

DMC4 was always a 5/10 game for me, SE is a 6/10 just because Trish is super fun in my opinion. The game may as well have been nothing more than a tech demo for Dante's Style Switching because that's the only thing of worth the game brought to the franchise.

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>Devil May Cry 5 actually retroactively made Devil May Cry 4 a better game

It didn't, at all.

>And then everything he's done is excused because Nero is a sweet boy or whatever
What?

>Urizen/V was quite clever

Are you fucking serious? Something that happens because they write another "new power of the week" for Yamato? Anyone who isn't a complete moron could tell Urizen was Vergil and V's twist didn't make it better.

after 2 it is the worst one, fucking repetitive trash

4 has Credo and Burial so it's cool in my book.

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>Vergil splits himself in two because he's so mad at Dante
>Urizen uses Yamato to open a portal so the tree extends into the Human world
>Untold numbers of civilians are killed
>Vergil and Dante's fighting commences as soon as Vergil regains himself
>Their battle to the death and rivalry is settled because Vergil literally goes "well okay if I beat Nero then I beat you okay?"

DMC5's story was a piss poor attempt to "redeem" Vergil and keep Nero relevant in the process.

Nah, dmc 4 was better

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>DMC3 was the peak

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I feel the same way but im really unsure about the future of the series.
Dante and Vergil are pretty much demigods by now, i think Itsuno is gonna have to get rid of them in the next game sadly.

I'm fine with Vergil being in the game in some capacity. After all, Nero finally meeting his Dad and figuring out his own origin is a pretty substantial plot thread. I just don't appreciate him being the big bad again. It didn't feel as climatic as it did in 3 because there was the direct rivalry throughout the game, and we've already seen Dante beat him once before in the past.

>tfw Bayonetta 2 is better than any DMC

Why Sony refused to fund it? Why they prefer funding western trash like The Order or David Cage movies? Fuck them. It would have been even better with Sony's big wallet.

>Are you fucking serious? Something that happens because they write another "new power of the week" for Yamato? Anyone who isn't a complete moron could tell Urizen was Vergil and V's twist didn't make it better.

I never said it was good because it was surprising. It's good because all of DMC3 was Vergil wanting ultimate power and lementing his human side. In DMC5 Vergil essentially gets what he always "wanted" and we get to see the consequences of that. Which I thought was cool.

Oh, my bad. I misinterpreted your previous post. I agree. I really like the game overall, but the the story just fell flat for me. I'm cool with Nero trying to reconcile with his Dad and put an end to his constant fighting with Dante, but the resolution felt unearned at worst and rushed at best.

Nah. The first Bayonetta on the other hand is something I can agree with. I get that gameplay mechanics are the beating heart of these games, but not utilising the loveable cast of the first Bayonetta really hurt the sequel. Also games crazy scale kind of climaxes at the first level, which is disappointing.

>What?
I understand that Vergil's time as V and Urizen gave him a different perspective and power-lust recidivism isn't a likely problem going forward, but the way the story glosses over all this through Nero's "aren't we family???? Can't we just get along, guys???" felt stupid and easy. The game wanted to bring Vergil back and redeem him, which is fine, but the game went about it in a fairly lazy way.

Nah, Bayonetta 1 is legitimately on par with the much related DMC3 and is objectively better in sinebareas but Bayonetta 2 is not better than DMC3 or 5. Bayo 2 took an almost perfect combat system and proceeded to shit all over it.

Power scaling of the cutscenes was pretty damn dumb. Urizen beating the fuck out of everyone no effort. Dante gets his nu sowrd. All that bullshit with harvesting blood, Urizen eats the fruit and gets his shit completely pushed in like nothing even happened.

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I don't like character switching in these games. At least DMC4 is just one solid chunk of Nero and one solid chunk of Dante (basically). DMC5 can fuck off with spaztically switching you from Nero to V to Dante every other mission.

Call me when noname55 does some stuff with her

Only thing I ever really replayed was Bloody Palace which I found a lot of fun, but frankly playing Dante sucked in 4.

>Bayo 2 took an almost perfect combat system and proceeded to shit all over it.

You don't know how to play Bayo 2. It's the smoothest gameplay of the genre.

Maybe it's time to realize Nintendo was the good guy all along even if they got cruhed hard by biggest megacorps

I absolutely dread that shit too. It killed any interest in my replaying 4 or 5. I'll still replay 1, 3 and unironically the reboot before coming back to those. Bloody Palace isn't what keeps me coming back, I like straight-shot campaigns.

Everything is right. The only good thing was the quality of animations and Nero as a character

>It's the smoothest gameplay of the genre.
That's just factually wrong. Bayo 2's entire design has Witch Time as the focal point. Bayo 1's intention of using Offset to constantly keep up your offense was thrown away for a flow that consisted of waiting for an enemy's attack, dodging it for WT, and doing the most optimal combo possible during that window, because most enemy types were borderline impossible to fight without WT active.

Umbran Climax is both a cheap, bland attempt to give Bayo her own DT and a mechanic which invalidates any other usage of magic introduced in the original. It's not even fun unless you're using the charm that lets you summon the mechsuit during it.

How do i git this gud?

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I'd agree with this outside of 4SE Trish. Something about her just clicked with me and I loved using her. The lingering hitboxes as a means to setup her long-startup attacks, it all gelled and flowed. I want her playable in 5 before Vergil, even with the ugly model.

Get really fucking creative, that's the main strength of Sakaki. 5's combo system is massively open, one of the most freeform in any game of any genre that actually still has rules governing what you can and can't do. Just experiment.

Also:
>implying Vergil would play Nevan like a guitar and not a cello, with Yamato as his bow

I completely agree with you.

Remember when Nero's Devil Bringer was yellow? I sort of wish they'd kept the warmer and darker color balance for the final game.

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Also this trailer is 13 years old holy shit.

And DMC1 is almost 20 years old, time sure does go forward in a linear path!

How exactly do you play a guitar like a cello? Sounds awful

Yeah, I really fucking hate it. You start getting into a groove and then whoops lol time to change gears :)

Same, Trish way more fun to play than Nero, Vergil, or Lady. The lingering hitboxes her Killer Bees was a super neat touch.

V legitimately made me not want to replay the game. I dont mind switching between dante and nero, but v's gameplay is just so fucking boring that it feels like a punishment when you're forced to play as him

Git gud

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I love this game.
Sorry!

>has Vergil
Haha no

this video supposed to prove something? He's still boring to play as. Boring and unstylish as hell.

V's gameplay is unironically one of the best aspects of DMC5. Once he clicked he feels amazing to play.

Itsuno could have just settled for making DMC5 nothing but safe fan-service, instead he made a character which is probably the most creative and unique thing the series has seen since its inception.

I've been saying 4 is shit since it fucking came out.

I mean, outside of V it's hard to argue that DMC5 is anything more than safe fan service. It's a really fun game so I'm not too upset, but it's probably the most fanservicey game I've played other than something like Twilight Princess.

DMC5 is mostly safe fan-service though, V appears in 4 Missions out of 20 and he is basically auto SSS most of the time.

Up until recently my ranking of the series was:
3SE = 5 > 3 > 1 = 4SE > 4 > DmC:DE >>> DmC > 4R >= 2
But I recently gave it some thought (which I'm going to try and solidify with some replays of the series) and I have to go with something like this:
5 > 1 = 3SE > 4SE > 3 > 4 > DmC:DE >>> DmC > 4R >= 2
My opinion on 5 didn't change, I just realized that 3SE wasn't as great as I thought. Oddly enough, this came from getting into Ninja Gaiden for the first time. A game originally designed and released a little bit prior to DMC3 (NG came out in 2004, NGB and DMC3 in 2005, 3SE in 2006 and then NG Sigma in 2007) has way better level design, enemy design, boss design (nothing amazing but nothing as bad as 3's bad bosses at all) & encounter design, while having its share of mechanical depth (wall mobility, Essence charging, wall splats, command grabs, bladed and blunt weapons having visual & gameplay differences, Ninpo and their elemental effectiveness, limited inventories of all but 2 ranged weapons). DMC3 has better weapon design, a better narrative, and their OSTs are about on par but I can't call it a better game than Ninja Gaiden/Black/Sigma. DMC5 is about on par with it because my personal tastes favor the extremely freeform combo system and the creative/stylish weapons and attacks available to you. Dante in 5 is a masterwork from a design perspective.

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I played the franchise for the first time last year and I wasn't totally in love with 3 either. Don't get me wrong, it's a good game that gets a lot right, but it also has a lot of niggles that hold it back as well. These mostly come from the level design, a number of the enemies and some of the bosses. I'm surprised so many people seemed to unanimously agree that it was the best in the series, because I found 1 to be a better package overall.

with time spam only worked on baby's mode though you should,try it again

Essentially at this point saying DMC3 is the best game in the series, sometimes even the genre, is as much a meme as saying DMC2 is awful. I had a friend who shared a similar experience as you. Sometimes I feel 3's story carries it so hard to the point of everyone glossing over 3's flaws just because they enjoyed the story so much.

It didn't though, Witch Time in Bayonetta 2 is present on all modes. The game's combat is designed around it.

If you were talking about the original you would be correct. I've played 2 on NSIC (which is easier than 1's NSIC, it's about on par with 1's 3rd Climax at best) and Witch Time is just as potent and necessary there than on the easiest difficulties. In 1 NSIC removes Witch Time outside of Perfect Parries, which forces you to rely on Offset and the occasional Parry to survive.

You're blinded by 2's better visual design, better story, more creative weapons, and playable characters other than Bayo & Jeanne, like I was when I first played it.

I wouldn't even say 2's weapons are more "creative". Salamandra was the only notable new weapon for me, so notable DMC5 ripped off it's mechanic for Cavalier. Not-Durgas were absolute trash, Rakasha felt derivative of Shuraba, Takumikazuchi was alright, the bow was useless, and the scythe was mediocre

and they got rid of BASED KILGORE

Kek, all these people calling Nero boring because they dont know how to play him

I don't ever want to go back to DMC4 Nero after having played DMC5.

I recently got the achievement for beating mission 7 with no Devil Breakers equipped and man Nero just feels naked without them.

DMC4 Nero can get really fun after you utilize Inertia and Reversals for his moveset but 5 Nero is just so so much better, the mods that he has in 5 are also great

This, it was always my least favorite DMC, except maybe 2.