Is there a better sonic scene than this one?

Yes.
youtube.com/watch?v=f8QzgUtr2nY

Only in the HD remakes.

youtube.com/watch?v=XtdT9W7YQt0
>this is modern day sonic cutscenes
When will they actually finish a game? When was the last finished game? Colors?

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It's not a 3D Sonic game without Tails ruining the ending by saying some stupid bullshit.
Even Forces had it.

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If eggman turned good forever people would be pissed

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It obviously wasn't forever, but good Eggman was the saving grace of pre-metal virus IDW comics.

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>ugly ass """""""""""""""""""""'human""""""""""""""""""""" models
fuck no

Why is the music so loud and dialogue so quiet

HD port autism, they fucked up some chao textures too

Are these comics actually good? Been wanting to read them for a while but don't care to find them if it's meh

I'VE COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT

If you don't have the patience to read the more boring issues, start at #13. We're at 17 as of yesterday. 16 and 17 are the best ones yet.
There's a Mega link in the OP of the Sonic general.

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The audio mixing of this cutscene is fucked.

The way he holds his hand out while he shouts "THIS BIG" kills me every single time

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ok I'll check them out

extremely underrated
youtube.com/watch?v=KMOjeqdq-XA

twitter.com/Sonic_Hedgeblog/status/1129111833820815360

It would be if you could ever fucking hear what they're saying

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No, they aren't. They are a massively dragging comic, now presenting currently a long arc, which is not engaging and interesting, that might only end around September or August, AFTER that another long arc, also not good or interesting, that has ended in the last year. It's managed by a writer that presents no qualities on its writing other than not being Ken Penders.

Read Archie Sonic instead. IDW Sonic is not worthy of your time, and not worthy of anyone else's time.

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youtu.be/qra_prvwKIQ?t=1445
This game had no right having cutscenes this well made
timestamp is 24:05 if link doesn't work

>Hey, wouldn't it be better if we all lived forever?
>LOL NO, SOUNDS BORING
Just because some of the dialogue in Black Knight was good doesn't mean it has a good story.

Nope.

The one where you intentionally lose in Tails' story to Rouge in Sonic Battle so she gives him a smooch.

Your face is cringe.

>I CAN'T LET YOU LIVE!
Based chuuni Shads

I'VE FOUND YOU
F A K E R

I miss the old voices. Shadow's especially.

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Shadow's first voice cracks me up because he always sounds astonished. Sorta like Brad Neely's Wizard People Dear Reader but not nearly as pronounced.

is that thanos in endgame?

I wish this game could be remastered just so that the story could have a chance to be well told. They really had some good substance in their ideas

Different line in the jap original m8.
localization ruined the tone.

This is probably my favorite, yeah.

I hear it more as a mix of contempt and jest.
The story is well told though.
youtube.com/watch?v=1ZJuLcakn3Y

This

When I was a kid I unironically thought Shadow was cool and wanted Shadow the Hedgehog when it came out but never ended up getting it. The scans of it in a magazine I had looked so novel and badass because I hadn't heard of Devil May Cry yet. Got a little older and thought Shadow was cringey and lame as fuck as most people do considering he's the original OC, and I also divorced the SA games from my nostalgia to see that they weren't really that good.

But now at 25 the SA games are a guilty pleasure anyway and I don't see how you can't love Shadow. His existence is so fucking hilarious that everything he does loops around to being charming.

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I couldn’t had said it better myself. As a kid I unironically thought Shadow was the most badass vidya character and I wouldn’t even play a sonic game if it didn’t have Shadow in it. As an adult I realize he’s a pretty cringey character but I love just how cheesy he is, especially in his own game.

Shadow in smash fucking when? I was so sure he was a lock for Ultimate.

Are you me?

The last time English speakers ever saw the real Sonic

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>I also divorced the SA games from my nostalgia to see that they weren't really that good.
This but the community instead of the games themselves because of all the OC recoloring faggotry and abominations like Chris-chan.

>Before this is over, I'll show you the true power of Chaos Control!
The last time Sonic was truly kino. That line with the "For True Story" intro still hypes me up so much.

Shadow's design is honestly pretty fucking good still, despite the constant black/red memery. The white gloves/chest and tan muzzle helps to balance everything out.

What exactly are you talking about?

>That scene when Tails confronts the Egg Walker

Can we just admit that Tails is the only Kino character in this whole franchise? He deserves a new spinoff game.

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>in sonic adventure tails learns independence
>adventure 2 he bursts into a high security military prison and guns everything down in his path
Maybe he had a little too much character development

How the final Shadow fight starts. It's right there in the OPs video.

Well told as in remastering what's there or some of the ideas were good but a lot of dialogue and events need to change? Because Sonic Adventure 2's a fuckin mess storywise.

>Why did Gerald Robotnik make a hedgehog for the ultimate life form?
>Shadow escaped from ARK in a pod, but then was captured by GUN since I guess he was cyrogenically frozen for fifty years, right? Or is he really immortal? How?
>Okay so Sonic is accused of Shadow's crimes, but shouldn't people already know who he is? Wouldn't GUN know? Why would he and Tails violently resist arrest and cause billions of dollars in damages?
>How did Amy make it ashore to the maximum security Prison Island?
>The chaos emeralds in general - how do they materialize and end up where they do? How did GUN already manage to find three?
>Eggman blew up half the moon - can't even begin to explain how many issues that would cause. A demonstration of the laser intentionally just missing would have been just as effective.
>Sonic hopped inside a space shuttle to get to ARK. Who was piloting it? There was clearly some other pilot intended for the shuttle and he hijacked it along with his friends. What'd they do to the pilot? How'd they fly the shuttle themselves?
>The Master Emerald shards are in space? What? How? Does it work like the chaos emeralds in that it's so unstable that the shards can materialize somewhere else?
>How did Sonic do Chaos Control with a fake emerald? Even if he double bluffed and he had the real one the whole time, he'd still be gambling that he could do something he's never done before. There wasn't any set up for that.
>How did Gerald record a message of himself in his maximum security prison cell and then transmit that message to be rigged to the Eclipse Cannon's activation?

So many glaring issues. I'd honestly prefer if Eggman took DNA from Sonic and made Shadow himself somehow, as a lesson learned from the failure of Metal Sonic. He'd be red and black since they're Eggman's colors.

I don't doubt that at all.

Sonic would totally be against immortality I feel like though, how is that out of character

WHAT

WHAT DID THEY SAY

Not with the way he's currently written he's not

Sonic IS the ultimate lifeform. The properties of the ultimate form of life are clear- the ability to harness the chaos emeralds power. Sonic could always go super sonic, and shadow can as well, without needing to learn how. Both can do chaos control naturally, so can the bio lizard. In the sonic universe for some reason the perfect form of life for controlling the energy of the chaos emeralds is a hedgehog. Shadow was this idea produced by science, but sonic was produced naturally, and is therefore superior. It’s the same nature vs science trope in loads of anime jap shit, the one with a connection to nature who is more easygoing is just better than the serious one with all the technological advantage. Shadow admits sonic is the ultimate lifeform in the final fight

I’m talking about the true story bit you said

>Wanting a Tails game
>After what they did to him in Forces
Nowadays Tails is just a pathetic bitch.

>Why did Gerald Robotnik make a hedgehog for the ultimate life form?
He's a scientist, it's his job to make things. Also, the Angel Island murals is where he got the idea.
>
>Shadow escaped from ARK in a pod, but then was captured by GUN since I guess he was cyrogenically frozen for fifty years, right? Or is he really immortal? How?
He was captured after he landed on Earth.
>Okay so Sonic is accused of Shadow's crimes, but shouldn't people already know who he is? Wouldn't GUN know? Why would he and Tails violently resist arrest and cause billions of dollars in damages?
Doesn't matter. They think he did the crime, and the police report is pretty damning evidence. You have to remember that the original design for Shadow looked VERY similar to Sonic and could probably be mistaken for him.
>>How did Amy make it ashore to the maximum security Prison Island?
This doesn't matter.
>>Eggman blew up half the moon - can't even begin to explain how many issues that would cause. A demonstration of the laser intentionally just missing would have been just as effective.
It's a kids game, people don't care about this kind of stuff.
>The Master Emerald shards are in space? What? How? Does it work like the chaos emeralds in that it's so unstable that the shards can materialize somewhere else?
Knuckles accidentally drops them out in space when the shuttle freaks out on the way to the ARK.
>>How did Sonic do Chaos Control with a fake emerald? Even if he double bluffed and he had the real one the whole time, he'd still be gambling that he could do something he's never done before. There wasn't any set up for that.
It's fucking cool.
>How did Gerald record a message of himself in his maximum security prison cell and then transmit that message to be rigged to the Eclipse Cannon's activation?
UHHHHHHHHHH this is a good point.

test

Basically this.

I’ve been saying for years that SA2 is a really poignant and deep story that people don’t appreciate enough

Based

Shadow is the poster child for cringe angsty anti heroes and is so edgy that he comes full circle and becomes unironically cool

It just seems like you're missin some gaps, though. Knuckles is the guardian of the master emerald, which probably covers the chaos emeralds, too. Wouldn't HE be the perfect life form for harnessing the emeralds' power? I don't mind Shadow's existence, but again, it'd make way more sense if Eggman made him. The entire story involving events fifty years earlier doesn't seem necessary, it's only there to make you feel a little for Eggman and Shadow, and it doesn't do a good job.

The original design isn't the design that was actually used, though. Seriously, GUN had Shadow in some kind of stasis. If there were crimes involving emeralds and all that immediately after Eggman broke into their facilities, wouldn't the conversation at GUN be

>"Hey wait a minute, that facility Eggman broke into, that's where we were keeping Shadow. Do you think he's the one responsible for stealing that chaos emerald from the bank?"
>"Nah, let's get a warrant for Sonic's arrest, instead."
>"But isn't he pretty recognizable? Didn't he save the world or something?"
>"Tomato, Tomahto."

And did Knuckles accidentally drop emerald shards in the sewers? And on top of Pumpkin Hill? C'mon, man.

I hated Shadow for being out of place with Sonic games, but now I like him just because he's SO out of place with Sonic games. He should be a character the others roll their eyes at.

That's the song title

Whoever posted this YouTube video needs to get a life

Knuckles tribe just looks after them, hedgehogs are the ones who can really use them though. Look at the prophecy on the wall in sonic 3 in hidden palace zone.

Kino coming through

F.

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That just doesn't sit well with me. I wanna make clear that I don't think Sonic's lore was meant to hold up to this kind of scrutiny, I get that it's supposed to be a goofy series about Sonic stopping Eggman from getting the emeralds to rule the world. I don't mind a Sonic game with a story, but it's gotta be more solid than the stuff we usually get. That and making sure it's not too emotionally dramatic, just dramatic in the sense of action.

That tails "Because you just told me fox boy" scene hit me out of fucking nowhere when i first played it, that was pure kino.

>The servers are the 7 Chaos. Chaos is power... Power enriched by the heart. The controller is the one that unifies the Chaos.
Echidna can control the master emerald, or more accurately ask it to do things.
The master emerald controls the chaos emeralds.
Hedgehogs can just use the emeralds at will, such as with chaos control.
Everyone can go super, but it effects them differently.
I believe the explanation for tails' super form being two birds is that he was too young or something, and couldn't handle a 'full' super form, so the excess energy formed into Flickies.

Gamma's story is the epitome of kino.

>He says while posting on Yea Forums
Kek

Unironically made me cry

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youtube.com/watch?v=SDcVeEzXGlw
>Static involving the picture as his theme plays.
>Picture suddenly appears with full clarity and the music cuts off abruptly, the only sound being the waves.
>That last second attempt to turn around to look for the bird before he deactivates.
>The end theme starts.
>That slow fade out as the other bird flies in.
10/10 would get baited again, kino from start to finish.

youtube.com/watch?v=9-9FaXg5NOk

me except i had a crush on shadow and read tons of fanfics as a kid
i still have a soft spot for him

Sonic is meant to be the ultimate lifeform, shadow literally says it. All the examples of this can do chaos control or go super. It makes sense.

>>That last second attempt to turn around to look for the bird before he deactivates.
Figured that was Gamma committing sudoku by neck snap.

sonic adventure 2 had a good aesthetic, if they ever remake it, i want for it to stay in tact
surprised there hasnt been more fanremake of the cutscenes in sa2 desu
youtube.com/watch?v=pU72XlMODgI

nope
t. Faggot

youtube.com/watch?v=r1hP9Ck2KeA

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The audio timing issues of the dub are what truly made that cutscene so iconic.

>Yea Forums is talking about Sonic en masse
What's going on?

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Adventurefags have nothing to play with TSR flopping violently due to Adventurefaggotry.

Gamma took that spot in the very same game.

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sonic is a topic that's very easy to talk about

Did he self destruct once he remembered or did he just succumb to his injuries at the right moment?
The latter sounds better to me.

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Adventure 2 is basically the perfect voice cast

>TFW I still play 2 of these to this day
Also, I don't think Pokemon is "that kid" territory, it's pretty normie

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>I don't think Pokemon is "that kid" territory, it's pretty normie
it was only normie before Gen II and after GO was released, and restrictedly for GO
normalfags think Pokemon is for kids, and don't even get started on competitive autism
normalfags only have their memories of Pokemania and kids these days don't even play Pokemon on the same scale as the past decade

pokemon is for babies

Was Sonic Forces that bad we're looking back fondly at SA2? I am certainly not remembering all the bugs from that game. >_>

youtu.be/wWxqVzxlRV0

To me, Shadow is the only round character in the Sonic series with the best arc I've ever seen

He started confused as a weapon for revenge from a dead scientist, realized his dead friends promise and saved Earth at the expense of his life.
Then he came back with no recollection of anything where he, and we as an audience, learn the truth about who Shadow is. After he killed Black Doom and freed the Doctor and Maria from his grasp, he saw his past and threw it all away.

Now in 06, he's an agent living life as he sees fit, working for an agency, doing agent shit. In this game, Mephiles pushed him to the limit with torment of what humans can do to him.

If I may add, Shadow was the true hero of Sonic 06. Sonic spent his whole time trying to tap that furfag's ass, Mario style, but Shadow actually did work, set up the events of the game and ultimately stopped Mephiles on his terms, with the help of Silver, to an extent.

When Shadow said, "If the world chooses to become my enemy, I will fight like I always have", I actually fucking cried. It was beautiful, knowing everything and all the pain he's been through from the beginning of A2 to that final fight, he still chose to be true to himself, showing that he will always be in control of his destiny

All Hail, Shadow

damn that video is godlike

I mean, SM sold 15 million copies

That’s pretty fucking normie, expecting it to rise to the 40 mil of RBY isn’t fair honestly

Thash whi I play Sheen Megoomi Tensay, a machurr gayme for machurr gaymers such as myselfff

You’re on Yea Forums

Go pew pew bang somebody online and get called a faggot by a 12 year old

15 million worldwide, in many countries
Maybe you just can't imagine a game appealing to so many that-kids
That said, using sales is misleading
Either people were hoping for a better game than XY or there were people who were brought in by Ohmori's vision of what a Pokemon game should be like that weren't buying the games before

Again, my point is that for the longest time, Pokemon has been not normie rather than normie

I'd argue in SA2 he wasn't even particularly edgy and cringy and was legitmately well written, but for everything after that, this is on point

> and I also divorced the SA games from my nostalgia to see that they weren't really that good.

Except for this. SA2 at least is still a great game. A flawed game, for sure, but SM64 has just as bad if not worse camera and control issues and people say it's one of the best games ever made.

Flawed =/= bad. SA2 is good in spite of it's flaws.

youtube.com/watch?v=hPokfq7xxXY

most underrated battle theme of it's time

As a kid, I never realized just how removed from the plot Knuckles was during the first half of SA2. I mean, he literally just stumbles into it.

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>Tails and Blaze are both dope as fuck
>06 ruins blaze by making her follow silver around and miraculously be some stupid future cat instead of just staying within her own actual lore.
>Tails' entire character is gutted despite the amazing development he gets in SA1 and SA2
Sega is so fucking stupid sometimes I'd almost call it a talent.

It is well told except the Last Story where the Professor's execution speech shows up.

TSR is pretty great the only people I see hating on it are seething Transformedfags because Sega didn't put in there literally who character from the 90s. Also Crashfags but thats probably ironic.

It's a Knuckles thing to do

It WAS a Knuckles thing to do. Ever since Heroes he has just been Sonic's second sidekick. I feel bad for Knucklesfags

>literally who character from the 90s
It's funny because you just described TSR's roster.

Is there any good reason to hate Shadow as a character OUTSIDE OF SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG (2005)?

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>How did Gerald record a message of himself in his maximum security prison cell and then transmit that message to be rigged to the Eclipse Cannon's activation?
As the Competitive Review video states it, and it seems pretty logically reasoned to me, is that Shadow is the one who brought Gerald's tape and reprogrammed the ark after Eggman freed him from Angel Island. It's the same reason why Shadow is just calmly sitting and watching while the Ark deorbits into Earth: this was his plan all along. Sonic beat him when it came to the Eclipse Cannon but Shadow had a back-up plan all along. It took Amy reminding him that Maria wanted to protect life that Shadow decided to cancel the plan

Gamma had a better arc, and Big is simply a very amusing character to watch.

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Also obviously this, why did they think Knuckles needed to be a literal autist? He's supposed to be socially inept and gullible because of the extreme solitude of his lifestyle.
Doubt knucklesfags feel any worse than other characters since their current writing team literally killed them all.

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>didn't even use the fuck you beam aka power laser
how the hell

If he had a different color pallete he wouldn't get as much flack, unironically a really well made character and OC donutsteel fags ruined the color pallete and personality tropes

>And did Knuckles accidentally drop emerald shards in the sewers? And on top of Pumpkin Hill? C'mon, man.
I think the implication is that the Master Emerald shattered apart at such a violent speed that the shards flew all over the place and even embedded into the ground.

The weird thing is that transitioning Knuckles from rival into just another guy following Sonic around is that the logical replacement for Knuckles as the rival in Shadow barely ever comes to fruition. Sonic and Shadow have barely interacted since SA2 and Shadow the Hedgehog. The ensemble is very lopsided.

youtube.com/watch?v=R47eN-ERO6s&t=164s

The cutscene prior to the final Battle from the original Sonic Adventure..."Open Your Heart" instrumental starts as the crowd cheers Sonic, who's absolutely brimming with the true power of the Chaos Emeralds...then it begins. The above mentioned tune kicks in LOUD...WITH ACTUAL VOCALS!!!! For the first half of the Battle at least...The second & final part of the Battle has just some terribly generic, supposed to be eeeevil sounding tune. "Open your Heart" should have played the entire Battle. I mean it's not like you're going to take long enough for it to repeat even once anyhow...

I liked it thought; it's a Boss Battle that enjoyment wise, and its ability to stay as memorable to me as it is...It deserves to be up there near the Top. If not THE Top.

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>That first Rise of Lyric cutscene where he couldn't tell left from right
I can't believe they made him that retarded.

>A flawed game, for sure, but SM64 has just as bad if not worse camera and control issues and people say it's one of the best games ever made.
Not a fair comparison at all. You could make an argument that every single level in Mario 64 is enjoyable because Mario himself is enjoyable with a varied, physics-based moveset that lets you go crazy no matter where you are. In SA2 only one style of play is any fun and it makes up exactly 1/3 of the game. The other 2/3 is taken up by awful mech and treasure hunt missions nobody likes. And when it comes to Sonic and Shadow, your way of approaching a level is going to end up much more linear than your options in Mario 64. I also think it's quite sad that Sonic blew Mario the fuck out when it game to physics-based gameplay in 2D but in the shift to 3D, Mario embarrassed Sonic in that department.

But his color palette is great. I'd honestly say in terms of character design, Shadow is a 10/10. Instantly recognizable silhouette and a satisfying color palette that contrasts black, red, and white, with complementary gold.

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Shadow should have stayed dead in Adventure 2. He is just full of angst for the purpose of being full of angst.

Yea that's the problem, it's so good that everyone started copying it, now everyone thinks it's shit.

Sonic is one of the biggest franchises of all time even if half the games are shitty stop being delusional.

>nobody likes the other 2/3rds of the game
Ok ProJared, you can stop generalizing now. The treasure missions are all perfectly fine stages (except for Mad Space) and the Mech levels are not anywhere near as awful as people claim. Once you get the booster (which you get very early in the game) it gets quite enjoyable, it's like a Panzer Dragoon game but with manual movement. Also Cosmic Space is one of the best SA2 stages.

What if they made Shadow a robot from Heroes onward? All the personality and mannerisms of the old one with none of the suffering of the original?

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>In SA2 only one style of play is any fun
Wrong

First off never namedrop one of your eceleb idols at me again. Secondly you have it ass backwards on the treasure hunt stages in that Pumpkin Hill is the only good one. And the mech stages never ever stop being slow and braindead

Pointless at that point to keep the character, shadow the hedgehog (2005) should've never existed and shadow is a better character dying in sa2.
Now he's just nigger sonic with a gun.

We can thank this piece of shit for escalating the hate for it even higher.

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They deserved another chance. Sonic Team USA's localization team and their VA direction treated them like shit.

Also unpopular opinion but Eggman is just not the same without Bristo, as much as I like Pollock. Adventure Eggman will always be my absolute favorite incarnation of him.

You're not the only one who thinks so.

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>n SA2 only one style of play is any fun and it makes up exactly 1/3 of the game. The other 2/3 is taken up by awful mech and treasure hunt missions nobody likes.

Wrong, I already gave my opinions on this here The vast majority of the non speed stages are fine even if not particularly good, some of them are outright good/great, and only a few of them are actually more bad then enjoyable. Also, I have far more fun fucking around in the treasure stages and just running and gliding then I do running around iwith mario in 64, because rouge and knickles are actually responisve wheas mario is sluggish as shit.

>And when it comes to Sonic and Shadow, your way of approaching a level is going to end up much more linear than your options in Mario 64.

Osteibly, sure, but around half of 64's stages are linear anyways and even the ones that aren't still have all the shit that actually matters in terms of platforming along a single path anyways.

>I also think it's quite sad that Sonic blew Mario the fuck out when it game to physics-based gameplay in 2D
I don't care about the platforming being physics based or not. In fact, I might actively dislike it: I tend to prefer games with highly fluid, responsive, and tight movement, which is why I think I like SA2 so much and don't like the classic sonic games that much and find them sort of clunky, and prefer sunshine so much to 64, because you accelerate fast and can make instant turns; wheras in vboth classic sonic and 64 you are fighting against the game's physics engine to do basic shit like starting up from a stop and turning.

It's more like this generation of budget soulless 3D Sonic titles from Lost World to the Forces essentially raping the boost style has made the fandom more appreciative of the Adventure games despite their issues. I miss Sonic in full 3D.

Came into this thread just to ask this same question

Jesus, I hope someone was fired for this.

doubt it, sega doesn't seem to give a shit about the quality considering the fact that they still haven't fixed those chao textures and cutscenes

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He's wrong, the audio balance in that scene was fucked up in the original too

Speaking personally I find the audio issues in cutscenes to be fucking hilarious and I wouldn't want it fixed. There's a reason why the FAKER I THINK YOU'RE THE FAKE HEDGEHOG AROUND HERE cutscene is as legendary as it is and I think a big part of it is the lines cutting each other off

This is a generic example, but connected stories were a rarity in games in the 90s and being a kid finishing all 6 routes then unlocking the Super Sonic story, it was honestly satisfying to watch him transform in order to defeat the Sonic version of Frieza.

With a cherry on top, Tikal's oracle-styled monologing made the entire moment feel like a movie.

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I'M PISSING ON THE MOOOOOOOOOON

Maybe "Because you just told me, fox boy!" but this one is still my favorite

he cute

>In SA2 only one style of play is any fun and it makes up exactly 1/3 of the game. The other 2/3 is taken up by awful mech and treasure hunt missions nobody likes.
Nope. Fuck you and fuck this shitty meme that's been parroted to oblivion.

SA2 is objectively 5/6 competent with the only bad stages being eternal engine, mad space, and aquatic mine. At least judge the whole package which includes multiplayer and chao garden which is another universally praised aspect of the game.

If you want to play that card I can bring up Sunshine which is even less than "1/3rd good" outside of the Floodless levels which doesn't make up the majority of the game being plagued by it (along with other issues even Mariofags can't defend).

It was kind of cool for Sonic Adventure to have a diegetic hint system which made sense within the universe of the story (Tikal's spirit helping the player) rather than Omochao who technically could exist (and does, I guess, I mean he did just appear in Team Sonic Racing) but there's not really a great story reason for him to be in some of the locations he's in, or to be giving advice to Eggman for example.

Imagine being a zoomer like me and this is the first game you played at age 4. Ever since then I was waiting for the next Adventure game..and it never happened.

FUCK YOU, I'M TAKING THE STOCKS

I feel exactly the same man, when I was a kid I found out about Sonic 06 by watching its cutscenes on youtube and felt like it was the closest thing I'd get to sonic adventure 3, of course as a kid i didn't realize how shit it was but seeing hd sonic and shit was so cool to me, also I though silver was dope, I wish I could go back

>get home from school on friday
>mom just cleaned, house smells fresh
>baked cookies to celebrate the weekend
>you lay on the carpet playing SA2 on your gamecube on the big screen

I had such a great childhood and I took it all for granted. Take me back to 2003 lads

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Hope someone appreciates this. Just my own take on Shadow's creation since I don't like how sketchy SA2's story is.

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So he can sound more like him if need be.
We need this man

Wait a minute, that artstyle...

youtube.com/watch?v=1ZJuLcakn3Y
If you drew this it looks really good though
Tails should save Sonic though

Thinking about it Shadow being edgy doesn't change Sonic since Sonic is just an edgy Mario.

MARIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>If you want to play that card I can bring up Sunshine
Sure go ahead since I didn't. What on Earth made you think that my take on SA2 means I think Sunshine is good?

Yeah it's me. I can draw regular stuff sometimes.

>that artstyle.

We're not worthy. Please share more

I always thought of him as a vegeta, whom I also loved just for who he was

funny, I agree with you on SA2 but disagree with you with Sunshine: I love sunshine and thoink it's far better then 64.

People always crap on it for "muh no platfomring", but if you actually look at Sunshine's stages there's way more actual platforming and verticality spread throughout all of them then in 64, which largerly had the platforming confined to a single linear path.

Sunshine, theoritcally, is way more rewarding to creative skill based platforming and making up your own paths through each stage then 64. The "problem" is just that the fluud makes doing so pointless and trivalizes it.

I think that if Sunshine had a ranking system like SA2 did, where you were encouraged to git gud and come up with your own faster paths throughout the level, and maybe every time you used the hover nozel it dectracted style points, then people would apperciate it way more

who is it?

It's me, Ultrahand.

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You are legitimately my favorite internet artist dude. Keep up the good work.

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Jesus christ don't post that, shit aged like milk.

>Read Archie Sonic instead
Don't listen to this faggot, no one should waste their time trying to make heads or tails of that awful mess of a series. IDW is shorter and straightforward.

>tails is now a mouse

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>It’s the same nature vs science trope in loads of anime jap shit, the one with a connection to nature who is more easygoing is just better than the serious one with all the technological advantage.
This. This is so kino it hurts.

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Your headcanon is fucking stupid, and no, only a dumb idiot would think Adventure 2's story is sketchy, but this very surprisingly looks well drawn so props for that.

Let's be honest, Sonic was much better back when Nips were writing him

>no one should waste their time trying to make heads or tails of that awful mess of a series.
Let me guess. You only have read issues written by Penders, no?

>IDW is shorter
>shorter
Are we reading the same issue? Excuse me?

>and straightforward.
More like slowforward.

underrated?

Sonic series hasn't been good since Adventure 2
your favorites were flukes

>In SA2 only one style of play is any fun and it makes up exactly 1/3 of the game. The other 2/3 is taken up by awful mech and treasure hunt missions nobody likes.

Literally no one I knew had this shitty opinion until eceleb zoomer youtubers forced it as hard as possible.

That’s actually pretty good though, Tails is still an idealistic kid

Spark 2 tho

>awful mech and treasure hunt missions nobody likes
false
>And when it comes to Sonic and Shadow, your way of approaching a level is going to end up much more linear than your options in Mario 64.
false
also isn't the point
>I also think it's quite sad that Sonic blew Mario the fuck out when it game to physics-based gameplay in 2D but in the shift to 3D, Mario embarrassed Sonic in that department.
if you're talking about non-Adventure games, sure

What the fuck Ross is still alive????

>No one can form this opinion on their own because some youtube nobodies also have that opinion

Based except Eggman is kino as well

And who are you?

Read a good chunk of it, A lot of it was boring. Even at 160, there wasn't an incentive to get invested in it unless you read the past issues and most of the characters introduced serve no purpose. Like Archie if you want but don't you dare say IDW is a waste of time when there was more time wasted with Archie spanned across years of issues.

But he's right though you dumb fuck. It's a shitty annoying opinion and if it sounds practically fucking identical to what shitty e-celebs are spouting then he's right in assuming you're just a moronic idiot that's parroting them.

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I actually love bright chao and I'm sad that in the utterly impossible scenario where the chao garden comes back they're probably not coming back with it.

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Sure am.

Up here, stupid.

Mech stages in 2 sort of drag on. I think Gamma's gameplay in 1 had a better execution of the idea to keep it fast and encourage combos. Since it was 1/3 of the gameplay, I felt it should have been fleshed out more.
The treasure stages have the problem that they really aren't platforming but they aren't really good puzzles either. So it's more like exploration, but the exploration aspect really isn't that solid either. I never really got the appeal of it, but I don't think they are awful by any means.

DmC Dante is cool.

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Yea but the fact that they take the place of shiny two tone really sucks

I'll agree that several treasure stages are absolutely fucking terrible (I refuse to believe anyone at Sonic Team played Mad Space before launch and said "yes, this is fun"), and that Rouge was clearly shoehorned in at the last minutes because her stages are nigh-universally garbage, but really, Knuckles, Tails, and Eggman's stages are all fine and I remember playing through them as a kid and not minding them so I find the modern opinion that they're absolutely abominable shit that utterly ruins the whole game absurd.

Sometimes I wonder if SA2B being one of my first games has made me way more forgiving of flawed games if I see their potential. I've seen so many people throw a massive whiny shitfit and scream "LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE" at the most bizarrely minor issues I would have just powered through with no problem

My take on it is that I think the multiple origin stories ending idea is really cool. It is poorly executed when we already knew Shadow wasn't a robot nor a clone. If we didn't have that information, it would have been fun to have the speculation for one run through story mode, and then the true ending should have been unlocked on the second playthrough which tells us that Shadow is actually one half or a prototype of The Ultimate Lifeform as is the truth of SA2.

this is literally just the sonic ova

I can get where your going with this but there's many more problems with shadow the hedgehog than knowing he was the real one from the beginning

>if it sounds practically fucking identical to what shitty e-celebs are spouting then he's right in assuming you're just a moronic idiot that's parroting them.
What a retarded leap in logic. Did you know broken clocks are right twice a day? I could just as easily say that if even braindead ecelebs pick up on the flaws of SA2, they must be really obvious.

I'm talking about the story, not the mixed presentation and not the horseshit gameplay

The story is kinda wack too, but the true ending on second playthrough would fix a lot ngl

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holy cow that video is amazing, but it kind of shows my point. its hard to piece all this together yourself.

That one time Sonic told some girl who wanted to saver her world from Historically Accurate Destruction to just let go, accept her doomed fate and enjoy it while she can.

so basically you want the player to be babbied and spoonfed

You're a dick rider if I've ever seen one. Braindead e-celebs are just that, braindead. They don't pick up on shit, it's clear as fucking day that piece of shit faggots like Arin from Game Grumps or ProJared have some sort of gay bias towards the games and go out of their way to purposefully make them look bad. I've heard that Arin tried to get that glitch in Emerald Coast to work for hours before his playthrough, which is fucking sad. Like, it it's true, the fucker needs to get his eyes gouged out for being so pathetic, along with his piece of shit fanbase.

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Nah, I think people are just quick to jump at the hyperbole. I am certain many people who complain about unplayable garbage have never really played an unfinished buggy mess like, say, Fallout 76. If you approach a game for what it is, casting aside the expectations coming from a series or biased opinions online, you can actually enjoy and find a lot of "mediocre" games fun.

Either way, Sonic Adventure 2 is objectively a good game with a few rough edges here and there. Like I enjoy most hunting stages myself, I like exporing a lot. Even Mad Spacr itself, while its honestly difficult to maneuver in, the gimmick is very interesting the first few times you play it.

I agree. Adventure 2 is a solid game with heart put into it. The levels are fun to master and the variety and content was insane compared to what we get now.

Based and Tailspilled

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>by SA2 Eggman's direct rival is Tails, not Sonic himself.

For the last time how many times it has to be said. Zoomer=born post 2004, i dont know from where you people get this shit wrong

Tails is kino but so are Knuckles and Metal Sonic

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All right but that's not relevant to this discussion. If I wanna claim that the mech and treasure hunts suck dick I can and you going "but some faggot eceleb said that too!" is not an argument.

>I am certain many people who complain about unplayable garbage have never really played an unfinished buggy mess
fucking this

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That cutscene frames all of Eggman's past actions within the series. We know that Eggman had access to Gerald Robotnik's journal. We know that he looked up to his grandfather, he was his hero. We can even reasonably assume he was around the same age as Maria.

So when Eggman was very young, his grandfather and his cousin both died at the hands of the government and their identities were covered up. Eggman is trying to take over the world because he can't accept that the people governing the world had killed his grandfather and that that was in any way just. So he's spent his life since then trying to conquer the world for the very simple reason that he thinks the people in charge fucking suck and he could do a better job. Then he finds out just how badly Gerald fell off the deep end and he can't stomach his true intentions, even if he idolized him.

It's almost kinda poignant how Shadow eventually decides to forgive G.U.N. and work with them to protect people, while Eggman backslides into trying to take over the world. Shadow moved on and he's kind of at peace with who he is now, but Eggman just can't and so he's fated to just keep losing to Sonic.

Is there a better shadow scene than this one?
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Should have been Team Sonic ADVENTURE Racing if they wanted it to sell.

Fuck Sega sucking cart racing dick
Give me a Riders with All-Stars cuhrayzee

>Got a little older and thought Shadow was cringey and lame as fuck as most people do considering he's the original OC

Same age as you but I skipped this part. I just love him for one reason or another.

There is never going to be another Riders after the blunder that was Free Riders. Sega is never touching the series again.

Nothing this franchise does will ever top the hype of SA2's finale

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>Why did Gerald Robotnik make a hedgehog for the ultimate life form?
Biolizard is the Perfect Chaos mural, Shadow is the Super Sonic mural
>Shadow escaped from ARK in a pod, but then was captured by GUN since I guess he was cyrogenically frozen for fifty years, right? Or is he really immortal? How?
Both. He was in suspended animation on Prison Island, but later games show he is basically unaging because of dumb alien bullshit.
>Okay so Sonic is accused of Shadow's crimes, but shouldn't people already know who he is? Wouldn't GUN know?
GUN knows full well who Shadow is. They didn't mistake him for Sonic, they arrested Sonic to try and cover up Shadow's existence.
>How did Amy make it ashore to the maximum security Prison Island?
Well if you gotta know, she caught a ride with Tails. This is actually a giant fucking plot hole.
>The chaos emeralds in general - how do they materialize and end up where they do?
Just assume they scatter like the Dragon Balls at the end of each game, that makes as much sense as anything else. Tails did get one for saving Station Square though, so whatever.
>Sonic hopped inside a space shuttle to get to ARK. Who was piloting it?
Eggman built it, so it probably has some kind of autopilot.
>The Master Emerald shards are in space?
The shuttle bay opened on the trip to the Ark and the Master Emerald shards Knuckles had already collected flew out.
>How did Sonic do Chaos Control with a fake emerald?
It had the "Same wavelength and properties" as the real emerald. Meaning it was still made with Chaos Energy. Sonic has done Chaos Control with nothing but rings before, he can do it with a fake emerald.
>How did Gerald record a message of himself in his maximum security prison cell and then transmit that message to be rigged to the Eclipse Cannon's activation?
Gerald's execution was recorded and then Shadow took the recording of the execution from Prison Island to the Ark and installed Gerald's doomsday plot.

But it's mostly Colors and Heroes.

Which is sad because Riders was like an improved and enhanced Kirby Air Ride where races are more important than the free roam mode.

>I thought that capsule you were in expl-
>YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN I SAY

Zoomer starts at 1997. iPhone's and social media having taken off by the time they get a shred of independence.

I'LL MAKE YOU EAT THOSE WORDS!

Eggman... lived a hard life...

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I have a soft spot for Shadow. I used to think he was cool when I was little, but as I grew I found him more and more hilarious. I never really hated the guy, he's such a funny character that he simply comes of as entertaining.
>Where's that DAMN Chaos Emmerald?
Also I'd love to see a game where this moron gets used again. He's a pretty good rival for Sonic, imo.
>just wants to be the fastest guy alive
>doesn't take things seriously
>his friends are goofs, like Sonic/Knuckles/Tails
>Sonic is blue with green eyes
>Jet is green with blue eyes
>the only difference is that instead of helping people, he's kind of a dick that wants to get rich
Wasted potential, to be honest.

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The opening cutscene for Sonic Unleashed is pure Sonic kino

I love Shadow but don't caree for Silver, maybe it's the lack of nolstalgia or perhaps it's because I watched playthoughs of 06 instead of playing it myself.

SA2 is essentially an anime disguised as a Sonic game and I love every second of it, reminds me a lot of the god tier OVA.

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Way to reveal you were born in 1996

He's involved from his very first mission, I have no clue what you're on about.

He's forgettable, everything has been attempted with Sonic rivals at the point he was introduced. The fact that 06 is fucking garbage doesn't help.
>Knuckles is a friendly rival that just happens to be enemies with Sonic for a while
>Shadow is an edgy rival that goes from hatred to respectful hatred
>Jet is a carefree moron like Sonic
And Silver is just... eh? Like, he's more so doing his own thing and hating Sonic by proxy of him being an obstacle.

93 actually.

>He's a pretty good rival for Sonic, imo.
How many rivals does Sonic fucking need? First robot Sonic, then red Sonic, then edgy Sonic, alternate dimension cat Sonic, psychic Sonic, but sure let's fucking throw bird Sonic on the pile. Why the fuck not.

yes, same game, their first encounter. However, the track that plays in that cutscene is the best track in the entire game

I can't think of any besides normalfaggot complaints

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Don't forget Edgy red Sonic who's just buttmad that Edgy Sonic slapped his shit.

I still think that as a rival Jet is the best. Knuckles is more so a friend at this point, Blaze is a distant ally (before she was retconned for no reason), Metal Sonic isn't a rival, more like an emotionless hitman supposed to kill him, and Shadow is just an edgy OC that doesn't matter.

At least Jet has the lowkey best Sonic intro out of all of them. Fight me, faggots.
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>>every modern game now he's just a faggot with a wii u gamepad
It's funny because it's true

SM64 is still one of the besg controlling 3D games to this day you fag. I'll give you the camera, but Mario himself controls flawlessly.

Jet is cool and anyone that disagrees can get smoked
Also, Storm was the goof and Jason Griffith is the true voice actor.
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Are there any cool figures of Gamma out there?
I always enjoyed his design and hated the generic look of Omega.

When Eggman argues with his past self in Generations

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The ambitious Sonic Team that stumbled but still had heart died with Heroes. Adventure 1 is effectively the last classic game, and while 2 is somewhat of a shift in terms of tone and aesthetics, you can clearly tell that it was truly supposed to be one final swan song for the Dreamcast.

Unleashed gave them a shot of life but at that time they were too infected with the rot Heroes, Shadow, and 06 had given them and the werehog was the result.

After watching this, Jet is much worse than I remember him being.

Don't get me wrong, his Donald Duck voice is fucking stupid and his motivations are retarded. But writing wise I think he's the rival that better fits Sonic's edgy, cOoL design.

>Well if you gotta know, she caught a ride with Tails. This is actually a giant fucking plot hole.
I don't know why the hell they needed to add that bizarre "caught a ride with tails" line. They should have just had her say she saw on the news that Sonic was arrested, so naturally she tracked him down to Prison Island and tried to free him, I mean it doesn't really matter exactly how she got there, maybe she took a boat or something.

No, you got it, that was it, the pinnackle.

>10th year anniversary of the franchise
>Sonic faces vs. his rival, a black hedehog
>Shadow is more than a rival
>Shadow is the ultimate life form
>Created by Gerald Robotnik, who is Eggman's grandpa
>Add to the fact that Gerald is also a plot device to not only explain the events of SA2 but also a way to make both the Robotnik and Eggman names canon
>Shadow is actually based off the mural in Angel Island that depicts Sonic as a prophecy
>In truth, Sonic is the ultimate life form
>Shadow is actually the underdog here (a la MGS, but backwards) and Shadow suspects it by that point
>You fight here to either protect the Earth or destroy it
>And let's not mention how the final boss is Sonic and Shadow, the imitation, fighting an imitation of Chaos, who was also seen on the mural in SA1, creating a paralell of SA1's final battle, abd thus, when Shadow becomes Super, he fullfills Gerald's dream of creating what he saw on the murals.

That cutscene is the part where all pieces set fall into place, pieces set since Sonic the Hedgehog 3 back in 94, thr series could have ended here and it would have been fucking great.

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Silver is kind of retarded, but he isn't really a rival
Sonic 06 had him against Sonic because of Mephiles shenanigans, but after that's over they're friendly
Silver also doesn't have that same competitiveness that other rivals have.

Sorry user but I completely disagree. Mario feels sluggish as shit to me. He takes forever to get to normal speed from a stop, his turn radius is fucking absurd, he litterally walks in a circle when you try to turn while moving; and there's a bunch of random other wierd quirks and shit.

It honestly feels less like you are controlling mario, and rather you are controlling something else that's dragging mario around.

I don't know what you mean.
If you're talking about the writing, that's one thing.
If you're talking about the voice acting, I can see how it would be grating but this is Jason's first shot at it. He can't even keep it up consistently, sometimes slipping into his Sonic voice even.
He nailed it in Zero Gravity.

Unpopular opinion, but I think Zero Gravity was the best game in the series. Everything was tightened up.

we can't ignore how awful the boss fight actually is though
constantly stopping and starting, and Shadow not even acting like a player controlled opponent would

Well said user, I wish they had taken a break for a few years from console games to focus on developing '06 more and not rushing the shit out of that (while continuing to make good handheld titles like Rush, Advance, and Battle).

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this

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Agree, all final bosses after this fucks it up in a way.

>Song is instrumental instead of the lyrics version
>IF song has lyrics, it's stupidly interrupted by shit (SH, ShtH,SA1)
>The stakes are not high enough
>No super Sonic
>Characters just repeat stupid shit gameplay mechanics ruining immersion (Generations, music was shit too in that battle)
>Can't bro it up passing the controller to your BFF so that one uses Sonic and the other one uses Shadow.

She took the same boat you use to get from Station Square to Egg Carrier.

Don't forget that Shadow is also, in a since, Gerard's very own Metal Sonic except a biological creation rather than a mechanical one. SA2 is chock full of unnecessary melodrama for a game about cartoon animals but the themes and connections are S+ tier

And that was only the tip of the iceberg, the emotional charge in that scene is a lot.

Nips stopped being good after SA2 so yeah that's pretty much my post.

I would go as far to say Sonic Rush was the last good game of the franchise.

The rouges just don't really bring anything new to the table for me. We already had a dubious treasure seeking rouge; I don't see why we need 3 more.
Storm is the biggest offender. The franchise already has a big oaf, and Storm isn't endearing or funny.
Wave is a rude female bird Tails.
Jet wants to go fast.
Their designs are alright,but if they are going to appear in mainline games, they should bring something new to the table.

your favorites were flukes

complaining about characters and not the archetypes in Sonic is dumb
every single group in the franchise is a clone of Sonic's

I think that's why they work, though. They're the main cast, but instead of being good, they're a bunch of assholes. Their backstory with the Babylon or whatever is pretty stupid, I'll give you that. But is it honestly more dumb than Shadow's whole 'Ultimate Life Form' or Rouge being a secret agent or whatever? Not really. At worst is on par.

I like that at least there's some banter between the Rouges and the main team. Sonic and Jet have a rivalry with speed, Wade and Tails have a rivalry over smarts, and Storm and Knuckles have a rivalry over strength. Aside from Rouge/Knuckles shenanigans most of the interactions of the cast boil down to "LoOk SoNiC! It's that one asshole!"

There's one, but good luck finding it. It's damn near impossible to find and when it does pop up it's crazy expensive. He also had a plush which is even harder to find since if was UFO catcher exclusive (i think).

The opening of Unleashed. It has everything you would want in a Sonic game or a cgi movie.

LIVE AND LEARN

That is a good opening, and way better than the Sonic movie will ever hope to be, the only best thing is if that was actually playable to some degree.

But, it´s not kino, does not have the same emotional charge and implications as the OP scene.

SA2 was basically a season finale for Sonic.

It touches on everything about the emeralds, the Hidden Palace profecy, the emeralds, shadow, chaos and Sonic.

The other story they actually begun to tell happens if in Sonic Rush, where we learn the two dimensions are connected by a thing called Power of The stars by another profecy, it would probably talk about Chaos and Solaris, and the two sets of emeralds.

They still never finished this plot point, but it's fun to theorize what was it about.

>SA2 was basically a season finale for Sonic.
I've always felt like SA2 was a last hurrah from Sonic Team, the last Sonic title on a SEGA console, truly the end of an era.

I didn't interpret it that way at all. It was a parallel of an old bitter man carrying out the agenda his grandfather left him amusing a naïve child that's simply happy the day is saved. It was very endearing the way Eggman just chuckled and met him with "well, you're right." It almost looked as if he could have been his mentor or elder in that very moment.

Damn I miss character interaction like the old games, nothing is the same anymore.

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DANTE HAIRS ARE NOT BLACK!

Jet is fucking based and should have been made a main cast character a long time ago. I would pay good money to see him and Shadow at each others throats.

>that artstyle
did you make fat fetish comics in /tlhg/ a few years ago by any chance?

>Shadow is also, in a since, Gerard's very own Metal Sonic
That's it. It's all come full circle. Sonic the franchise pre 06 has without a doubt the deepest lore implications in fiction.

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Sa2 is the pinnacle of sonic. It’s edgy, fast as fuck and incredibly cheesy. The fucking hilarious sound quality just makes it meme worthy and I love every second of it

>to fight the furry menace
hu, tik tok humie!

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but Metal Sonic isn't in SA2...

SA2 discussion threads are just the best.

LOL

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Weird how the best sonic games were developed under sega tech instead of sega of japan and they stopped being good when STI was absorbed into sega of america.

I see SA2 as the end of sonic's main story
Heroes gutted just about every character and everyone has only been getting more useless since then. Basically everything after heroes is a seperate universe for all I care
>tails ungrows up and becomes more kiddy than ever in heroes, is only there for tech and to explain the story to sonic after that, never gets his moment to shine like the end of hero story, in fact forces makes it worse where he just cowers in fear at the sight of a badnik
>Knuckles completely abandons master emerald, hell its been missing since sa2. Is now comic relief at best, is forgotten after 06 until generations where he doesnt do anything
>Shadow is probably an android since he fucking died, never mentions Maria outide of ow the edge, is now a GUN agent in 06 despite them killing her and being locked up by them, is forgotten after 06 until generations where he doesnt do anything
>Rouge is like the only character who feels like she carried over between the 2 universes but she's a pretty minor character even in sa2, is forgotten after 06 until generations where she doesnt do anything
>Eggman's redemption is completely forgotten, goes back to world conquest by harnessing ancient evils, enslaving alien races, and whatever the fuck forces is. Despite having 300 IQ all his plans fail miserably and he's more comic relief than anything now

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Hewy, they picked up from Heroes very nicely with the Advanced games and especially Sonic Battle with some of the most entertaining dialogue. Weird, I know.

The Dreamcast was dying. SA2 was made with it being the last Sonic game in mind. Sega put everything in it to basically give the franchise a final sendoff. When Sonic went 3rd party after Sega bowed out of the console business, they pretty much restarted everything a little so the show could keep going on.

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>6 minutes and 17 seconds

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Jesus.

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Shadow is Shadow, they hint it in Heroes how he is the real deal, his game confirms it.
>Eggman's redemption
More like "did that bastard really want to kill me too? and destroy the planet? how can I rule a planet if it is destroyed? Where is the fun?"

Advance 1 was already in works before SA2's release. They never expected Shadow to be that popular though