Gives you 21 talents and 3 specs to choose from

Classic coming out has made a lot of people fucking crazy. There are some really sour people trying as hard as they can to stop people from having fun. Can anyone explain why this is? Retail shills that don’t want to be alone? Final Fantasy players taking the piss? Typical Yea Forumsirgins pretending to be retarded?

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Oof, shit bait. Here's your (you)

lol no
Not even close. Builds are extremely dumbed down and simple in retail compared to vanilla.

Fury tanking has only started happening on private servers recently. Stay salty.

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It's hard to admit that the last decade of "improvements" have actually been a steady slide into mediocrity. When the modern version of your MMO is being soundly trounced by Tranny Simulator XIV, you ought to step back and ask yourself how you got to the current state. Some people are just too invested at this point I suppose.

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Everyone has been in agreement with that until now which is what’s so confusing to me. Everyone seemed to agree that dungeon/raid finder was bad as well as the other conveniences that only serve to destroy sense of community. The change is weird.

That has nothing to do with the fact that you are wrong in what you said. There are more build variety and build complexity in vanilla and TBC than in any later version of WoW.

retail babs are going absolutely mental
they can't cope with the idea of their collection of one billion mounts and pets they've been working on for a decade suddenly being rendered null and void

>thinking that playing vanilla wow was about raiding.
literally you didn't play back then.

This is the shit that baffles me the most. I've mentioned a few times recently in Retail's trade chat that I'm "trading my own organs for Classic beta key PST if interested." Every single time I do there's at least one fucker who wants to jump up and say "you'll be tired of it within a month or two," or that "60% of the playerbase will drop off within the first six months, as if they know my own tastes better than me in the former case, and as if I give a shit if servers are hyper-populated or not a year or two after launch. As long as I'm able to enjoy the game and get groups together when I put in the effort to do a raid, I'm happy.

Fuck these people, trying to tell us we're oh so wrong to be excited for a game. God forbid. And even if a bunch of people do drop off after a month or two, that's still way more hours of value than someone would normally get out of a new release.

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yes the same copy pasted build you find on everyone
on retail you can atleast pick different talents depending on the encounter

I played survival hunter on classic with a shitload of blue gear for a time. T1 marksman nigger asked me how I'm dealing so much damage.

You clearly are too young to know what vanilla builds even are like. Every one of them is extremely unique, and especially each class is completely different from each other.
In retail all classes are homogenized and dumbed down, they all can perform the same roles like CC, self healing and so on - and the builds you can create drastically limit what you can do, for example going Frost mage means you can ONLY cast frost spells and nothing else, while in vanilla a Frost mage can cast any mage spells, it's just that his Frost spells will be stronger and he will have some special Frost spells only learnable through the build spec.

Were there not items from raids that were just better in vanilla pvp?

Rank 14 PvP gear is worse than just about anything tier 2 or above.

>Builds are extremely dumbed down and simple in retail compared to vanilla.

Yeah those additional 2/4/6% damage increases sure were complex shit, fuck off, vanilla builds came down to pure math because of that and were essentially solved. Your super quirky random build that worked just for you was in fact gimped garbage.

youtube.com/watch?v=Br1hXGXJ7Tg
the superior vanilla gameplay amirite

Yes, rank 13 epic armors and rank 14 epic weapons get passed AFTER tier 2 raid sets. So only by AQ and Naxx gear, mostly just Naxx though.
You realize Naxxramas is coming like a year after Classic launch? So your rank 13-14 PvP gear will literally be BiS for PvP for almost a year, way better than T1 or T2 raid epics are for PvP.
Also, once people start having Naxx gear eventually, even then only a very small minority of players will. So you with your PvP reward gear will still remain among the top 5% best geared for PvP.

You're actually fucking retarded lmao. There is so much more than just percentage buffs to skills. And who said that was the complexity? The complexity comes from everything you can actually do with the classes in vanilla, which is like a 20 times more than you can in retail.
>PvE as example of gameplay
>HUUUUUURRRR ME AM RETARDED ME NO THINK GOOD
This is you. Imagine caring about PvE raid gameplay lmfao you retard that's lame as shit in BfA too, literally the only reason to ever play WoW is the PvP.

>Respeccing in Vanilla
You know it costs shitloads and money is hard to come by?

>Taxes hybrids for being able to perform multiple roles
>Makes them pick one role and stay in it anyway

There's something right at the root of WoW's class design that's absolutely broken, but it could be salvaged if they just avoid going down the path retail went.

>vanilla pvp
why would you inflict this to yourself

Vanilla builds were not unique, like 90% of the talents were minor incremental benefits to existing spells with one or two unique abilities thrown in which led to the extreme cookie cutterness of the system. Homogenization happened because they wanted you to bring the player and not the class for that one utility spell they have and nothing else, might have lost a bit of flavor, but it enables more people to play what they want with whoever they want.

Anyone remember the name of the machinima that had a bit with a holy pally bitching outside of AQ about the new patch requiring him to hit more than 3 buttons?

who the fuck wants to play horde
literal mudhut niggers eating KFC in their designated nigger KFC huts in the middle of every zone (complete with every vendor, more quests then alliance and FP ofc oh and sometimes there is even a zeppelin or free transport thrown in) while chimping on anything that moves in numbers only despite rolling for pvp racials but never actually 1v1ing to use them
then porting into their literal mudhut nigger KFC city called "orgrimmar" more like ogreshit lol blizzard literally took some somalian shithole town and copy pasted it into wow to give that authentic nigger feel to the faction le monster races br0 check out these NO SHOES so whacky better name myself something fucking retarded like boogerbones to fit in btw get owned kid totally bg queued out of that 1v1 close one
you want a sick capital city to afk in br0? take your pick :

- literal sewer shithole with aids and feces everywhere
- some fucking retarded canyon thing where you fall off and die
- literal nigger kfc somali city

NO

SHOES

NO SHOES
N O S H O E S
N I G G E R

FUCK YOU HORDE NIGGERS

TORtanic syndrome.
Everything must fail, because pissing people off is funny.

I just have a hard time trusting Blizzard after their history of ruining their own games with shitty design and whaling practices.

No it doesn't and no it isn't. It costs 10 gold the first time and increases with 10 each time or something like that, up to a maximum of 50 gold price, and if you don't respec for a while it starts going back down.
10 gold though is fucking nothing, and 50 isn't much either once you are in the endgame. You can make like 300 gold per hour from farming Devilsaurs for the leather.

I don't play co-op multiplayer with anyone I don't know in real life, for this reason. Dota 2 is one of the best games ever made and I can't play it anymore. Too many tryhard assholes who can't handle just playing the game.

>decided on druid
>see a hunter streaming
>think maybe Night Elf Huntress might be cool (from WC3)
How do hunters work at 60 for raiding?

Because its the best PvP WoW ever had? By far. Like holy shit the PvP REALLY got ruined in the expansions, it's so boring and unfun especially in BfA.
>might have lost a bit of flavor
>a bit
Literally every single fucking class in BfA plays the same. The game has never lost as many subscribers as recently. Stop fooling yourself that people are happy with the garbage game design it has lately had. It's absolutely terrible compared to vanilla and that is why Classic is going to have way more players.

Why do you say 21 talents? You do realize that there are 51 talent points to spend at level 60, right? You do realize that the beta only goes to level 30? Do you even know anything about the game?

Is there a class where all later talents are so bad that you're better off just sticking with the earlier talents from each spec?

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>its the best PvP WoW ever had?
imagine actually believing this, even by wow's incredibly low standards vanilla pvp is utter garbage

It's either that or Alliance tranny squad.

They are functioning hybrids untill lvl 60 so I dont really care.

It's quite simple to compare someone's actual performance to their expected DPS considering their current gear and encounter. Then it doesn't matter if it's wrong talents or wrong rotation because you're getting gkicked either way.

Can do pretty good dps if you can micromanage your pet to not die along with your autoshot resets.
God of pulls.
Your trap can CC things that other classes cant.

Terrible reputation and you'll be rolling on pretty much everything.

Your new is showing. Back to plebbit.

>Because its the best PvP WoW ever had
imagine thinking this unbalanced crap was the "best pvp wow ever had"
I guess you never broke 2k2 in arena and the only pvp you do is ganking low levels with your rogue right?

Not bad per say, but some viable builds double or even triple dip to about half way down the trees.

Arena isn't real PvP. It's synthetic and soulless.

>real pvp is ganking low levels
the absolute state of classicbabs

It's almost like Classic is shit and has 99% of the problems retail has.
But hey, it'll totally be like it was when you were twelve and Discord didn't exist, totally!! Haha lets autoattack mobs for 200 hours to get to endgame and then do DPS check instances with 3 button rotations so epic!!!

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>The complexity comes from everything you can actually do with the classes in vanilla, which is like a 20 times more than you can in retail.
Yeah? Like fucking what? Any of that.

>You're actually fucking retarded lmao. There is so much more than just percentage buffs to skills

Nigger you are literally lying out your fucking ass, your are fucking lucky if your talent tree gives you two or more new abilities, everything else is genuinely minor percentage increases for things like extra damage, resistance, cast times, etc to your existing abilities. Oh wow, you can cast frostbolt 0.5sec faster than that other mage, so fucking unique.

>Typical Yea Forumsirgins pretending to be retarded?
>pretending

>synthetic and soulless
sick buzzwords bro, you're really convincing me here

You're not going to have fun.

>fair PvP isn't real PvP

Part of the "audition" process is linking your World of Warcraft profile. Which gives assholes full access to your raiding activity, which excludes you from raiding on trivial bullshit.

>Why did you only do the last tier of raiding 59 times?!

Pretty much. Arena is rock paper scissors while wPvP is true gorilla warfare.

>''you'll be tired of it within a month or two'''
then the game will have entertained me for longer than BFA had, heh

You know that shit won't fly on Classic because you need 40 people, after a certain point they'll stop giving a shit and just start recruiting warm bodies to fill empty space.

Sure you can join a guild like that but like you said there's 40 people to keep in line. So do you really think a low effort group of retards lead by someone with low standards will do well?

Correct. This is an MMO. Not a fucking esport. Not only that but it was designed for large scale battles not 3v3.

People had zero standards back in the day and guilds were able to kill shit, I think it'll be fine.

No armory for classic on release.

in vanilla mandatory mods like ct_raidassist could check your talents, dunno if the new client has that stuff enabled or if blizzard will enable the armory for classic

the only thing more insufferable than blindly hating on something is blindly praising something
95% of "vanilla enthusiasts" are literal nostbabbies who not only never played old wow but try to hype the game up with lies

I'm not saying you can't go anywhere but I also don't see the point in putting up with retards if they aren't your friends or some shit. You clearly don't care that much about progression if you'd want to join an anything goes guild, so that begs the question why raid at all? Unless you're just going to pug which I assume might be more of a thing in Classic than in the good ol' days.

Naxx is getting cleared by casuals in under 4 hours on private servers. People aren't as bad as 15 years ago no more

>and guilds were able to kill shit
yea they were able to clear molten core and ony on 20+ hours of raiding a week, that shit should take an hour max

truly it's going to be fantastic organic experience not populated only by bitter minmaxing oldfags

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they don't have to pick one role, but due to the minmaxing nature of raiding it's more effective to have 1 person specialized into healing and 1 person specialized into damage than 2 people going halfway into both. that doesn't mean you can't do it, just that it's not as efficient. in even still there are some snowflake builds that try to do it anyway, like feral/resto druid for offtank+heals or ele/resto shaman for a raid-viable healer spec that you can pvp in. also almost every class capable of the role can heal or tank in any spec up until level 50ish, which essentially does make them true hybrids through 90% of the leveling process.

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>I also don't see the point in putting up with retards if they aren't your friends or some shit.
Because 40 people is a lot of people for one raid and average Mythic guilds on retail struggle to get even twenty. Not every guild on Classic is gonna be filled with hundreds of top of the line players, eventually you have to lower your standards in case people start no-showing.

reminder that this was made by an actual tranny

You gotta remember drops in classic are like two pieces per boss kill. You literally need to be inner circle if you're ever going to gear because "fillers" won't be prioritised.

holy priest, survival hunter, balance druid, and affliction lock have god awful 31-point talents. most specs that go deep into those trees forgo those talents for a 21-pointer in another tree.

Theyre just scared. They know that when Classic comes out their retail version will die. Just like what happened with Runescape

ah, good times. raid leader played your class and decided to usurp the dkp to get items

>tranny
>makes comic featuring male pattern baldness and obesity

glass houses, wew

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That’s fine but it’s the people who are adamant in believing no one truly wants to play the old version of the game that is so silly.

the problem with vanilla class design is that there's absolutely no incentive for someone playing a hybrid class to not heal
they mostly solved this in tbc by giving the hybrid tank/dps specs group support that the healing specs didn't also bring (moonkin aura, totem of wrath, spriest mana leech, etc.) so that even when they do less damage there's a reason for them to be in the raid

30 into survival can be viable though. On certain fights and raid compositions, it is objectively superior, assuming you have pre-naxx bis

You're missing my point entirely. You can't have super elitist recruiting requirements unless you have the progression to back it up or are in some streamer circlejerk guild which will have an insane amount of people. Most average guilds on Classic are gonna have about 30-40 good players and then the rest are gonna be low quality filler to fill gaps or replace people who need to sit out.
That elitism is gonna fall off super fast once guilds start having issues reclearing stuff because they don't have enough bodies.

This is literally what you asked for. Wow 1.0. I'm so happy you're getting it.

did you manually edit in fucking chinks

good to have confirmation, that and the gacha icons leading people around like dogs/pets have been some pretty lazy spamposting lately

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PvP with team objectives, the BGs and RBGs have way more soul than arenas.

>You literally need to be inner circle if you're ever going to gear because "fillers" won't be prioritised.
then your guild is/was garbage. I joined my guild as a clueless shitter on BWL patch. By the time we killed C'thun, i was first in line for the loot despire not hanging out with the leadership.
All i did was do my best, attend almost all raids and be stacked on consumables.

>Makes them pick one role and stay in it anyway
Call me when a hybrid loses the ability to use heals when they are not speccd into it.
Because fucking heals are OP in WoW.

When 2 classes are equal but one can heal and the other can not that's bullshit so stop crying about your gay dudu or pala.

the game is a perfect metaphor for life. You need those hard times to get better and enjoy/appreciate life.
meanwhile you are given fast food with nothing to show for it

imagine being a girl

>They don't have to pick a role except in the context where roles matter

Balance is contextual. If the one context where balance matters is exactly where the balance disappears, then the game has shit balance.

>But hey, it'll totally be like it was when you were twelve and Discord didn't exist, totally!!
i was doing life back then, i was graduating high school when wow even came out and even if i'd had the fucking time for it i was not inclined at all to play another mmorpg after spending my pre-to-early teens on everquest. when i got out of the navy in 09 my friends got me into wotlk but they ditched me after that while i got addicted to a game that i now just played alone and got on the new "lfd" treadmill and by the time i reached endgame i was so burned out and detached from anything going on in the story. you people really don't understand what it's like to start with so much of the content just a graveyard and you're rushing to get to shit that other people were able to start the week the expansion came out while you're at the end of it's life. it's fucking horrible. we need these servers, i'm 33 now and i have free time and lots of disposable income and legal weed in my state so i fucking need this. i had nostalrius and it was so much more fun than retail, but they nuked it. you mother fuckers. die. just fucking die. the whole world isn't you, the whole fucking world isn't some stupid ass brat who was 11 in 2004.

These are the same people who rage quit that weeb dark souls clone after a week and spent 60 bucks on it. You can poopsock in wow at 15 dollars a month--that's more bang for my buck than I've ever gotten out of any other video game, and I know sub fees are a scam. Game is so top quality it's worth it.

When you get down to it, MMOs are actually pretty great for money:time investment. Sure you have to pay $15/month to play it, but 4 months of game time is the same price as a $60 game and I can't think of a single modern game that can entertain someone for more than a single month these days, let alone 4 like most MMOs.

>kek stupid kfc niggers
>has better infrastructure than shitlliance, as you said yourself(more fp's/quests/vendors)
>has better locations than shitlliance(alliance only has good location in start of vanilla, for blackrock mountain. AQ and naxx are way easier to get to for horde, and ZG is as easy)
>better pvp racials
>only thing shitlliance has is human sword skills which only affects rogues and some warriors, one of which becomes mid tier at endgame and the other requires taking gear from others to do good damage
Face it, alliance cucks are seething anytime horde has a single leg up, they chimped out in mop when theramore was bombed, they chimped out in legion when horde almost got a tauren bro zone(despite getting their own night elf pander zone), and they chimped out in bfa when they didnt destroy the horde. Alliance cucks are truly the biggest babies of any game series ever, honorable mention to demon hunter beggars who begged and cried until finally they could rp as illidans son

Mid/top tier all the way to zg, after which you promptly drop down with every raid. Always need at least one tho for tranq shot. And gods at pvp

>being so entitled that you expect 39 other people to carry your worthless special snowflake ass

i was a rogue with leathercrafting and skinning back in vanilla days, even tho i was 17 then and probably a retard, it didn't really make me much gold.

Is there a idiot proof gold making profession that also has some utility?

>describing people's reactions to nu-wow historical events like it matters
why the fuck do you even bother learning these stupid ass details it doesn't matter bro. wow is reborn, you need to just accept it that literally nothing has actually happened since mid-wotlk.

most people are going to quit at lvl 22 the latest when they realize they actually have to spend money on skills and have to eat after every single mob.

you can just pickpocket brd (get the stealth and stealth speed talents and its easy)

Rogue or mage, bros

lock

It's all solved now isn't it? No one has to discover shit, it was discovered 15 years ago. I think the people who want to go back to this shit forgot how much the wonder of discovery and the pioneering spirit formed their early opinions of the game.

dot machines are boring

hunter

If we're talking pve, shadowbolt>shadowbolt is pretty similar to frostbolt>frostbolt
If we're talking leveling lock is more entertaining when you're juggling 3 mobs, and early on you can voidwalker tank dungeons
If we're talking pvp mage is more fun, but lock has some cool tools. Seduce, voidwalker sacrifice & shit are all aight.

>vanilla hunters

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AoE farming with mage is more fun than lock leveling

It's faster and some of the most engaging leveling content, but I really enjoy fear/dot juggling. That's just me though. Outside the free mount (it's a mana mount yadda yadda) there's very low downtime if you're stacking spirit and use Drain Soul.
A lot of this is subjective, if you're certain it's either rogue or mage I'd go mage. Harder (but subjectively more fun) pvp, ez leveling, portals & free water are all excellent.

SEETHING RETAILFAGS

Thanks user
The only real reason I am struggling with the decision is because I played a mage during the original run of vanilla
I can't think of a good enough reason to mix it up

stfu reddit cuck

>Yes, rank 13 epic armors and rank 14 epic weapons get passed AFTER tier 2 raid sets
And yet they require a worse grind than all raid tiers before BWL combined.

>literally the only reason to ever play WoW is the PvP.
>literally the only reason to ever play WoW is the absolute trainwreck afterthought that is Vanilla PvP which was shat out in two hours when enough people cried that they couldn't get the Counter-Strike experience from WoW
OH NO NO NO NO NO

As did I, it was through pservers I learned to play different classes. If you're not afraid of burning out I'd consider trying out some stuff before launch, some classes can be more fun than they seem.
If you're looking for validation for choosing mage, it's objectively the best class in every regard and frankly I'm an idiot for not rolling with it - the only objective advantage lock has is finding raid spots, and it shares that with other classes.

do people who defend retail have a gun pointed at them? blink twice of youre a hostage retail cuck

isn't classic also retail since you're paying for it

Much of the charm of Vanilla was shit like wikias and wowhead especially not really existing, or the ones that did (Thottbot) were absolute garbage, so to do ANYTHING you had to ask around if other players knew.
That's how you formed bonds inside the game.
Wowhead Classic will be up 72 hours before the launch of WoW Classic and it will have everything you need to know about the game.
Sure, you might just not use wowhead for your information needs, but that won't be true for the majority of the playerbase, many of whom have also played Vanilla on private servers or remember shit from they played Vanilla.
Which in turn will lead to infinitely less shooting the shit on trade and general chat.
Of course, I'm not saying you shouldn't play Classic, you do you, I'm most likely going to try it out myself, but I'm not particularly excited about the game.
Just a heads up that the upcoming WoW Classic won't be the same experience as it was 15 years ago.

10 minutes of farm to change your spec once is a lot, but this is a good thing

>literally the only reason to ever play WoW is the PvP

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druids have a sick pvp spec that does exactly that. balance has an instant root and 10% physical damage, resto is resto with some mana saving and instant cast heals, and feral has feral charge

Wait Retail force you to use only one type of skill and spec? You cant combine fury/arms or arms\ prot?
T.wrathbaby

>extremely efficient at leveling
>whispered constantly begging to heal dungeons
>guaranteed spots in any end game raid
>shadow melts face in PVP
>universally loved by everyone

Leling at everyone that doesnt want to play the Chad priest

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no shit

it's still gonna be great

>If you don't choose these talents and play this spec then you're not invited

It has always been this way and always will be

>what are damage meters

they should put dual spec into classic

but make it cost as much as epic mount riding to unlock

>s long as I'm able to enjoy the game and get groups together when I put in the effort to do a raid, I'm happy.

But you won't be able to enjoy the game. You don't know yourself.

You think it be that way, but it be the other way

But it won't be amazing, like it was 15 years ago.

>they should change classic

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>20 times more than you can in retail.

Name 5 things you can mid combat in vanilla that you cant in retail

I'll be waiting

Horde player here. Thinking about rolling a Human Warlock as I never experienced leveling fully on Alliance.
What're you guys go go for?

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NO GOOD THINGS WERE ADDED AFTER 1.12
VIDEO GAMES ARE DEAD
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

im a chad with a family though. now days i can force my wife and daughter to play and healbot me or else i won't take her to watch the dora movie (ill just watch it alone for scientific reasons)

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>they should take classic and make changes to the game that would make it not classic

Shut the fuck up retarded retailcuck

strawpoll.me/18036511

Not him and I know you're memeing, but fucking hell m8 I've been playing pservers for fucking years, you think I don't know? You think I haven't gotten multiple chars to 60? You think I haven't gone through classic raids and been a water dispenser? Trade chat is incredibly retarded.

Kek

Alliance player here
I was thinking about playing h*rde since I have never made it out of the barrens

>anyone that doesnt like my shilling is a tranny
that's hilarious

i wouldn't be against something like that, but i think epic mount cost is still too cheap. maybe double it, and make it so you can only switch specs at a class trainer that way you don't have people flip-flopping everywhere around the world and hybrids rolling on every single piece of gear that drops.

Same people said that crap for Oldschool Runescape. Now look at it. It outweighs Runescape 3 any day.

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If you're rolling pvp, your main CC is nullified by 60% of the opposing faction.
On the other hand there will be so few of you that you'll be getting whispers from fucking Elwynn to join raid comps.

Reminder that supporting WoW Classic supports the retail you all hate so much.
Classic will keep retail going for another 15 years, thanks to you cucks.

Still win all the PVP tho, imagine being an alliance babby and losing alterac valley when your team has a D-Day style death bridge chokepoint with a fuckload of archers who attack from 100 yards away

I've literally never lost an Alterac Valley as Alliance in Vanilla.

reduced cost would be alright, but not dual spec which affects raid balance

Right but classic will also keep classic going for another 15 years
That's all that really matters

>not dual spec which affects raid balance
It doesn't if you can only change between specs at the respeccer/class trainer.

I never lost on Horde. I even got a BoE Epic from that first alliance general once and that was pretty cool

>lying on the internet

>WoW Classic won't be the same experience as it was 15 years ago.
neither were vanilla everquest official progression servers, but that doesn't mean everquest 2 or everquest 1 past planes of power is any good. classic wow is a little too kiddy-pool compared to vanilla EQ which is my ideal, but it's still miles better than current wow. so you really have no point.

Vanilla wow will be greater tortanic than tortanic was. This is coming from someone who loves wow. It's just the year 2019. That's the only problem

>retail babs are going absolutely mental
>they can't cope with the idea of their collection of one billion mounts and pets they've been working on for a decade suddenly being rendered null and void
HAHAHAHAAH

There are people out there who think WoW is a game about collecting MOUNTS. Fucking PokemonGO style!
There are people who think WoW is a DRESS UP BARBIE GIRL GAME and spend hours doing TRANSMOG to get attention from their ginger balding daddy ASSmongoloid.

Yes and no. There are a lot of cool guilds who enjoy having off-meta shit in their raids, at least in my private server experience.

Jesus, I couldn't imagine playing Classic for 15 years.
Holy fuck, what is wrong with you.
>b-b-but they'll add things in in the spirit of Vanilla!
They won't and it won't be in the spirit of Vanilla, because literally fucking nobody who worked on Vanilla WoW works at Blizzard anymore.
And on the other hand you have the autistic manchildren nuking the forums with their screeching about the sanctity of Vanilla WoW that should never be improved upon.

>tortanic
Haven't heard that one in a long time

It literally makes no difference to me whether you believe me or not.

>classic release
>right at my 17th birthday
im goind home bros

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You really think people would do that?

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>tortanic

Yea, nah. The problem with TOR was the fact that all of the great promises made by the developers were not true and the graphics were shit

We need a name for classic
How about"wont be classic"

I won't be playing classic for 15 years either senpai
>add things in the spirit of Vanilla
They'll be progressing to bc and wotlk
That's about 5 years of content, I'll get sick of it at some point and come back a couple of years later for the new progression servers
>literally fucking nobody
m8 Omar Gonzales is literally working on code he personally wrote in 2004

Good, you're about to

>fucking nobody who worked on Vanilla WoW works at Blizzard anymore.

I'd say a lot of those people still work at blizzard. Blizzard pays well

Then why say anything?

>the graphics were shit
And here you are, creaming your pants at the notion of being able to play a game from 2004 using the Warcraft 3 game engine.

To get you to reply for those sweet (You)s.

My prediction: Classic WoW will be a huge success, but Blizzard will be too stupid to realize why Classic WoW and BC were better than the current state of the game.

>Hint: Its because they removed progression in WotLK and created the catch up gear so that "everyone could experience the ending". People will keep blaming Raid Finder and dungeon finder but those are just symptoms of the bigger issue.

So Blizzard will make changes to make current wow more like Vanilla, they'll fail hard, and WoW won't be any better.
Vanilla wow will add things like iron man modes and similar challenge content but they'll never retain playerbase like osrs does. It will last long enough but no more than 5 years

>literally nobody who worked on Vanilla WoW works at Blizzard anymore.
linkedin.com/in/omar-gonzalez-8349755

>They'll be progressing to bc and wotlk
Both were shit expansions.

>They'll be progressing to bc and wotlk
>source: my ass

Catch up gear was implemented in TBC, retard.
And flying was an infinitely worse feature than catch up gear. Or LFG.

I don’t know how min maxers even enjoy video games desu

I played Rogue in for vanilla/tbc, should I just play rogue again or try warlock or (fire) mage?

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They literally will though
That's subjective, I enjoyed them.

>game has talent trees
>most classes only have 1 viable spec
so that's the power of western video game design..

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The best part is finally finding a level 60 who comes to help but the guy ganging you just stealths until he leaves. Everyone likes to pretend a gank will escalate into good pvp for some reason though

>the only good expansions were shit expansions

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>implying wow has ever been fair and balanced

The difference is that TOR promised amazing graphics and delivered crap. I'm not expecting amazing graphics from classic WoW because they aren't promising anything of the sorts.

All expansions were shit expansions.

that one fucker is right you zoomer anime weeb, you WILL get bored, as will you other dense zoomers faggots.

i'll see you all in November after the hype is over you blizz cucks.

but blizzard already had catch-up mechanics in vanilla. ZG, AQ20 and the Cenarion rep grind in silithus

>he doesn't know pservers have been a thing for a decade an there are literally people playing vanilla RIGHT NOW

What class should I play, homeyos

Gonna go ahead and clue all you spergs in on something. Those of you arguing so adamantly on either side of the argument as to whether or not this will work or fail are fucking retarded. You all are sperging out on this game coming out as if it ACTUALLY MATTERS IN SOME CONSEQUENTIAL WAY. Well... IT DOESN'T. You all fail to realize how many people like me are going to be playing this game. People that will be playing with their friends they grew up with that moved all over the country and have jobs and families. People that want to come home from work and "hang out" with their friends by hoping on a discord chat and running around Azeroth while drinking a few beers together and laughing and reminiscing and having fun. People with fucking LIVES that want to have a way to spend time together in a way that reminds them of when they used to live around each other. How do I know? I did it to a lesser extent on private servers... But this release is bringing back like 5 of my old friends back from when we were in highschool together. The fucking fun we're going to have JUST LEVELING is going to be epic. I doubt half of you even have any fucking friends seeing how fucking autistic you act like you actually give a shit about sharding and retarded shit like that. You think fucking 30 year olds like me and my friends and a bunch of others like us give half a fuck about any of that? The answer is no. The reason we are coming back is to have a place where we can be together. Where we can do something that brings us together. Something we've all always loved. If you can't wrap your mind around this, then you need to reroll in fucking life because you fucked up and are beyond help.

They seem very basic. I have a hard time getting into them. It was amusing having people trying to gank me and kill them by wanding without breaking a sweat though.

gear ultimately doesn't matter, doing the same content on 4 different difficulties isn't appealing

>seen all quests already
>done all raids already
>pvp is boring
>im not 13 so i dont find griefing interesting

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More importantly when will Ultima Online finally get classic servers?

t. LARPing zoomer

it's going to fail whether you like it or not

Mage, but it might end up overplayed
Warrior is cool because a lot of people will roll with that but quit well before 40
Like this guy who just wrote a book, it's all about the social aspect at that point

>that moved all over the country and have jobs and families. People that want to come home from work and "hang out" with their friends
Which they'll do.
Just most likely not with you.

Ebin troll :^)

>social apect
>in 20 fucking 19
good joke

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>it's all about the social aspect at that point
>spamming LFG in trade chat is a big social aspect
Like user said, everyone who has played Vanilla, either on retail, or later on private servers, has done the quests already. And those who haven't will just google them, because it isn't 2004 and Google isn't a piece of shit anymore, so people won't be just discussing aspects of the game because that information will be readily available elsewhere.

>accuse you of having no friends
>"no u"

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yea but alliance players are unironic reddit trannies
its impossible to befriend or make bantz with them.
On horde I find friends in no time

Better not come crying about not having friends in-game because people with families and jobs don't have 14 hours to burn on a video game.

Horde is full of autism

>female taurens
>female undeads

>not playing for 2 hours in the evening

jesus christ this is your entire argument? "it'll be good but it won't be great" just shut the fuck up and think before you post, retard.

amazing.

>asmongold said classic is good

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The user I replied to has massive hangups with not playing Vanilla in 2004.
Do you really think he'll be able to restrain himself to just 2 hours an evening?

t. alliance aspies and their dyed hair/estrogen pills

>majority of the enjoyment of Vanilla was the social aspect
>social aspect will be almost entirely gone because things in-game aren't as obscure anymore and every little detail has been recorded
>hurr durr the game will be great, I really enjoy the fucking retarded quests that Vanilla WoW has
>Molten Core was so amazing, amirite :D

>viable meme
No one cared on pservers, no will care in classic honeys.

Do 500 dps and your jank build has just beaten any gear check that exists

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>druids are the most played class
gods have mercy

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did you play during launch of any pserver at all? every single time I've played vanilla, I've made friends. the information being readily available doesn't negate the fact that a lot of the time, you need to group to complete tasks.

t. faggot

Wait fuck aren't most of the early raids full of enemies who don't give a shit about fire

At least half of those are furries in goldshire.

if you participate in faction arguments, you're a brainlet who should stop posting.

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>tfw gonna miss DK and DH

Those classes are fucking fun goddamit, fuck monks though.

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go back.

>he saves memes from me.me
MASSIVE cringe

fucking blood elves
guy i know wont play horde because they dont have blood elf in vanilla, so he's ""forced"" to roll a night elf.

what's with all the elf fags

will they ban all databases?
they really need to

Things people think they want general?

i played a marksman hunter for the entirety of wrath, never once switched to other specs, and i got called a retard for not following the meta almost every single time i did a dungeon or raid. even though i would top dps charts consistiently.

it took until the ulduar patch for Elitist Jerks to realize that marksmanship could do waaaay more dps if you stacked armor penetration and haste, so then everyone started treating Marksman as the uber elite spec for tryhards and would compare my gear to what they said was 'minumum viable'

nigga shut the fuck up about 'elitist jerks says your spec isn't viable' when i'm beating your other hunter by 30% with a worse gear score. it's why i don't play wow anymore.

I quit in 2016 cause the game fucking sucks. Vanilla is bringing me back so you're a faggot.

t. faggot

>social aspect
home...

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>Raided on Private servers for years
>have done it in shit gear with sub-optimal talents
You guys realize wrath was when that whole gear check faggotry really became realm wide. As in non-hardcore. I garantee you that you will be fucking fine until maybe Silithis becomes active. Even then your guild is going to drag your ass through and show you what to do regardless.

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I still need to make/find some seething belf wojak macros

The difficulty of Naxx was always grinding the right gear on the right toons while playing the right specs.

Everyone going into it is going to know exactly what to expect and how to plan for it.

Don’t be surprised when Naxx is cleared within two weeks of opening in Classic.

that's the type of response i'd expect from the type of people who keep console wars and phone wars perpetuating. kill yourself.

The absolute state.

BOO!
Get some new material!

druids have been solid for a long time, they're the template for new classes, and a safe main since at least 1 of their 4 specs will be good

t. faggot

Is affliction viable in classic? It was my favorite lock spec in BC.

that's the type of response i'd expect from the type of people who keep console wars and phone wars perpetuating. kill yourself.

>Me? Why yes I'm rolling orc warlock, how could you tell?

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Paladin - holy raiding, prot 5 mans, ret for solo
Shaman - resto raiding, ele and enhance for solo or pvp
Druid - resto raiding, feral 5 mans, feral or boomkin solo
Hunter - bm is good, mm is good, surv is meh
Rogue - all 3 trees are great
Warrior - all 3 trees viable
Mage - fire and frost viable, arcane is meh
Warlock - all specs viable
Holy mc fucking kill yourself my shill guy

Yeah SM/ruin is solid

maybe you should just pick a fucking spec

t. faggot

I would be okay with dual spec, but you should have to go to a trainer to change specs.

Even "Ret" pallies should be going deep into Prot for Reckoning

deep protection paly is only for pvp, you only go to imp rf if you want to tank 5 mans

>Paladin - holy raiding, prot 5 mans, ret for solo

It's more
>Holy for raiding
>Holy for 5 mans
>Holy even for solo because ret is so bad you're better off just being holy

I think it’d be neat to have a quest chain that allows you to change at a trainer but I haven’t fully considered the economic consequences

>arcane is meh

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Oops, forgot I meant changes a trainer twice a week

Bye

>activates fire reflector and mage one shots himself
heh....nothing personnel kid....

Prot is legitimately the fastest Pally for leveling/farming but it doesn't get off the ground until you're high enough level for both Reckoning and Consecrate
And you probably need a mage constantly rehyrating your dry ass mana bar regardless

people like you should be taken out back and shot in the head

Did engineering have mana potion injectors in vanilla or was that BC?

that's the type of response i'd expect from the type of people who keep console wars and phone wars perpetuating. kill yourself.

yeah, from experience, it happens like 1/40 fights
so the awesome disturbed music fight compilation 204 on youtube cut out 98% of the times they get pyro+fireblasted for 60% hp

Pretty sure that was BC
Engineering's most useful item in Vanilla was that electrocution shield for AoE threat gain
That thing saw use into TBC much like Thunderfury

there's no injectors in classic
what the fuck is that even, just shoots you with mana when low %?

It just makes mana potions stackable to 20 and I think a shorter cd

It just let you stack potions in piles of 20 instead of 5

And you craft 1 per mana pot with mana pot as a requirement. I used them with my paladin a lot

best engin item is def iron grenade. just bind to key 2 and get used to it, kid.

>play priest
>get in group
>they're mad that I'm shadow

t. faggot

that's the type of response i'd expect from the type of people who keep console wars and phone wars perpetuating. kill yourself. leaving thread now, you lose this one I guess. sucks to suck.

its the complete opposite. there are shills fucking everywhere and at least 3 "home" threads on every fucking forum at all times.

Makes sense. Yea Forums has the most trannies compared to anywhere on the web.

>Reckoning
Meme outside of pvp. Mobs don’t have enough crit for it to warrant the points instead of going into ret.

t. faggot

Which is why you multi-pull dum dum
Conscecrate is only worth the cost on multiple targets anyways and thay farming build can take on 3+ normal mobs on its own pretty easily

Multi-pull changes nothing with reckoning. The procs scale with the number of enemies and don’t necessarily net you any benefit.

Correct. Talent trees were removed from the game in the pre-cata patch. Now you pick 1 of 3 specs and the "talents" are just a choice of 3 minor skills you get to choose after however many levels. It's pretty bad, and dabbling between specs isn't possible.

Vanilla wasn't good because it was a well designed game. Pointing out all of it's flaws isn't going to change anyone's mind or make them not want to play.

Lol thanks user

>tfw I love classic but don't have much time nowadays to to fully enjoy raiding and other aspects
>tfw I'm just gonna take it easy leveling and RP in capitals and make friends
gonna be great

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>you don't need to raid for gear
>just grind 10-14 hours a day for PvP Gear
?

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Same user I can’t wait

And this is why, among other reasons, Classic sucked. You had one or two specs per role at most, with required 31 and 41 point talents. Nobody could seriously just split their points between all 3 trees and be a solid generalist, but nothing tells you that, though the game is designed for optimized play in certain roles.

The later/current system with talents divorced from spec is a lot better and allows more viable variation.

>Talent trees were removed from the game in the pre-cata patch
No.

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>Don’t be surprised when Naxx is cleared within two weeks of opening in Classic.
You mean on the night it is released

>Nobody could seriously just split their points between all 3 trees and be a solid generalist
What? You realize all that talents were was 2-3 abilities of arguable significance and a few passives (which were quite a lot of stuff like hit/crit chance and range/mana cost reductions). You played the same class either way, you didn't just "play a spec" like you do in modern WoW.

Learn your fucking hero you fucking prick, I'll fucking kill you if I see you again playing Dota 2

>WoW Census
It doesnt work at all, but ok