Why's Rockstar considered the best?

People love then even more now kiddo

you cannot deny that hearthstone, OW and Skyrim made tons of dosh

They're all great at making a game once a decade and have idiots pay for it forever.

You cannot deny that doesn't make them any good.

Now thats just depressing.

>implying devs want to be friends with their consumers instead of stripping them of their money

typical we r numba one bias of amerimutt media

they cant stop doing it like goty, and all that shit, whether they are lefties or not

look at oscar for animations. its a literal wankfest. always amerimutt big companies win.

Just out of idle curiosity, not fanboyism, is Nintendo considered a game-developer?
Or are they considered a hardware manufacturer?

>Infinite time to develop a game
>Infinite resources to pump into a game
>Almost unlimited marketing to shill the game

What dev doesn't want that?

Yeah but no one really cares for them. Their last major respect and influence among devs was back in the N64 era

Rockstar is not american

They'll be looking for friends when the masses move onto the next thing. Where's Bethesda's good will at after Fallout 76?

More money = more good

Jesus this guy has shitty taste. San Andreas was the last rockstar game I enjoyed. Blizzard has sucked since like D2 and Bethesda was never good.

Rockstar are British

Is R* really the one of those 3 that bothers you?

The only company not shitting out bad games on that list is Rockstar, and even then I wouldn't call them superb outside the attention to detail and graphics.

TW3 was only a success copying Rockstar's open world sandbox design. Making it more accessible. Even if you don't like their newer offerings, the impact they left in the industry from GTA3-SA is still being felt today.

Yea Forums had a massive hard-on for rockstar for the longest time, because most users here were consolefags, and r* have a long history of fucking-over pc gamers by not releasing on pc, or at the very least delaying release on pc for years

Yeah I get that they're influential, but they did one good thing then ran with it for nearly 20 years.

i knew it but when i say its british i get replies "nah its american". dunno whats right.

I wanna come in here with my strong opinions but my spidey senses tell me OP is baiting to steal opinions for his gaming journalism job.

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>Unironically no one can match their ambition

Except CDPR

>no one will surpass them in creating open worlds now

They don't even make the best open world games. RDR2 would've been much better as a hub world game or a wide linear game. They were once revolutionary, now they are dinosaurs who have to rely on technical prowess to mask boring game design.

no one gives a shit if the games are trash. all that matters is that they make money.

only the consumer is to blame.

>Why's Rockstar considered the best?
Because they are making billions with their online mods. Devs and publishers only care about the money.

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Skyrim is a god tier game, only Morrowind relics would disagree. Overwatch, while not my thing, is a superbly designed video game

god i hate everything so fucking much

Nostalgia goggles. They don't see Rock$hit's turned into another EA

skyrim is an incredibly shallow game that only goobers would be able to play for more than 10 minutes

Their gameplay is incredibly shallow and relies on gimmicks and scripted set pieces in missions to capture its audience. If you've been playing their games since the 2D universe you'll have grown bored of it by now.

Every dev develops a formal and sticks with it until it stop selling. Rockstar's formula was very future proofed. Their new games show no signs of stagnation yet.

literally money is evertying

western gaming lol

>If you've been playing their games since the 2D universe you'll have grown bored of it by now.
this desu

the boring shitty satire of GTA and the middlebrow quality of their serious games are just so out of date imo

Money is the only way you can get budgeted for your next game. You see devs like Fromsoft knocking down new publishers doors for more money so they can stay relevant.

They were always a very liberal studio. Their games were a satire of US society, in particular capitalism, and championed women and minorities (black people, latinos, gay people). When liberalism stopped being edgy and started being the norm they leaned more right in GTA V (Trevor's treatment of women, the lack of female characters who weren't insane, Trevor's spiel on unionised longshoremen).

they move units

You definitely played it for more than 10 minutes, goober.

I have no idea. They haven't made a single game that I was interested in for years now.

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>All MC's besides 2 are white males.
>Feminist hate them
>New GTA games still have whores, prostitution and titty bars
>SJW's

Ok

How is that even a question? When was the last time you took a look at GTA sales and revenue from GTAO bux?

>They were once revolutionary, now they are dinosaurs who have to rely on technical prowess to mask boring game design.
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Depends who you ask I guess. I got bored around San Andreas. But I'm happy other people liked them. Irritated their mechanics have infiltrated the entire industry though.

ow is a ft2 reskin with lol artstyle
its not a bad game by any means but there is nothing extraordinary in it

>Irritated their mechanics have infiltrated the entire industry though.
Other devs need to rise up to occasion and out develop them. Not their fault other devs copy them

same, if RDR (the first one) came to PC for $5 I might buy it, other than that I can't think of anything they've done that made me want to play their games. I tried bully but dropped it after an hour or so. GTA V is probably the only game I actually finished of theirs ever. Single Player was short on content, otherwise I thought the story was good but the gameplay left a lot to be desired.

>denying that rockstar makes the best games

Cringe.

seems more like Shadowrun to me

Shadowrun was always way better

Don't even lie, when RDR2 drops on steam everyone will be losing their shit. Mods will be amazing

Rockstar is the only one who stands the test of time.. this article has to be pretty old.

It'd be nice if rockstar could copy some decent gunplay.

The concept of SJW didn't even exist until GTA V's release onward. I don't think they're any more left nowadays in their writing than they used to be. I vividly remember chasing a guy around Middle Park on a moped because he assaulted the protagonist's gay friend in 2008, while the Eastern European yokel shouts shit like "Leave my friend alone!" Granted that was a lot edgier then than it is now, but it was still pretty cringy.

i wouldn't doubt most people would, but personally I'm interested in the first one more. I'd definitely take a look at RDR2 if it came to PC, i haven't really seen much on it t.b.h. since i don't have a PS4 i don't really care. There's still a number or R* games on PC that I don't care to play at all. Just my opinion. Are they the best developer? maybe? I don't really know.

Nani!?

The open world is impressive but their mission design is utter shit and their stories are lacking.

retard.
Rockstar makes shit games, clunky and unresponsive. Only good thing about RDR2 waas the story and GTA5 didn't even have a good story
Bethesda is shit-tier now and releases games so enormously bug-ridden it's embarrassing, I don't even want to touch on Blizzard. WoW has never been as bad as it is now.
No expectations for Cyberpunk because of this retard

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>but their mission design is utter shit
Not shit but it is an area they can work on I the future

>and their stories are lacking
Compared to what? RDR2's cast characters and story are more impactful than any recent games I can think of.

Japanese even called RDR2 a standard their whole country has to match going forward faggot

Westerns aren't really my thing. Not everyone's gay for cowboys.

NPC hivemind, basically
>it sells a lot so it must mean it's good!!

Unparalleled production value for the scale of their projects Compare anything they do to bethesda and its night and day.
I'd replace bethesda on that list with Ubisoft Montreal, they might make uninteresting games but they're always reasonably well done.
Bethesda are only liked because they literally didn't have any competition for 15 years, then Witcher 2 blew them out of the water, FO4 was as bad as people expected and 76 blew everyone away with its shittiness

Skyrim is only good as babby's first fantasy game.
I quit after the intro as I'm sure lots of people who were actually exposed to videogames have. Imagine playing Skyrim when Dragon's Dogma and Witcher 3 exist.

will Rockstar ever move past their

>get on horse/car
>run around for 20 minutes while listening to some boring dialogue
>arrive
>do some mindless boring task
>cutscene
>mission done

All of a sudden my hope for cyberpunk has evaporated.

>That's more down to personal opinion than anything else
Technically most of what you said in your first post classifies as opinion but good cop-out.

I kinda like Witcher 3 but the combat is a slog. Does it get better? Is there a certain build that is more interesting?

Compared to Metal Gear, Half-Life, Naughty Dog

you could try The Witcher 3 Enhanced Edition mod, changes a shit ton and you can change almost everything about it in the options

He's right. These companies shit out garbage and earn gazzillions of potato fields. Like it or not, they're doing something right.

Rockstar during and post PS3 era (7th gen) is king at making tech demos that are boring to play. All those physics of IV, little things here and there in GTA V and such, those games are really well crafted but they're really missing more engaging gameplay. But their games do sell by the truckload so they have zero incentive to make games that are engaging to play anyway.

Naughty Dog is even worse than Rockstar for making boring as shit games

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When people stop buying their games? These other games you claim to have better mechanics and designs are getting out sold 100-5 by their games.

These other games also have a fraction of the budget and marketing.

Why has CDPR been kissing so much ass lately?

Both
Nintendo is like 4 companies put together
Nintendo hardware
Nintendo software
Nintendo Comics and accessories
Nintendo music

That said Sony is like 50 with everything from Car insurance to semiconductors

Microsoft well they just about rule the world with Windows OS on pretty much every computer

>Skyrim is a god tier game
what has happened to this shit hole board

>During an interview in 2016, CDPR's CEO confirmed that he doesn't actually play video games so has never heard of From Software.

>Compared to Metal Gear
4 and 5 suck ass in the story department. Naughty Dog is literal SJW garbage that ruined the legacy of TLoU with that DLC and sequel and Half hasn't had a new game in 15 years. Goddamn your post is dumb.

full of braindead redditors and underage

SJW is just another label for hysterical left winger, those people have existed for a long time.

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>just fuck my shit up

That opinion hasn't changed, at least not with their view on R*. They loved RDR2 and think it's a quality standard

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because everyone's been calling them out for being a Polish sweatshop

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hahahaahahah

>never heard of From Software.
They're copying R* too. Get fucked lmao

Yeah I love the shit controls in RDR2, can't wait.

It's a retroactive classification and I think if you went back and played the old games you'd accuse them of being made by SJWs too.

yo what if they made another Payne

>After playing RDR2, Miyazaki now wants to make a story driven open world game

Based

But Rockstar's whole brand is built on presentation/"sex" in the Steve Jobs sense of the word/"wow factor"? They're only just now getting the message somehow that appearance trumps functionality or depth when selling something?

because they started out as some irrelevant literal who polack company making computer games nobody cares about so they could be baste back then, now that they are hanging with the big dogs they gotta become soulless in order to stay on top and expand

Maybe, who knows

they have infinite budget and long ass development cycle yet their games are boring mundane trash
riddle this one out

>yet their games are boring mundane trash
Most be incorrect or every relevant dev wouldn't suck their dick.

normies love boring mundane trash, they have no reason to make anything other than what they currently make, just look at the numbers FIFA games sell and it's not really a hard puzzle to crack

>normies love boring mundane trash,
Thanks for literal just admitting you hate Rockstar based on popularity. You got some growing up to do.

>saying the truth means I hate Rockstar
Nope, it just means I can tell what's going on. Did I hit a nerve, though?

>>All MC's besides 2 are white males.
cj, luis lopez, victor vance, huang lee, franklin clinton

>JUST

>"What is this production line kusoge? I need to show these Westerners how to make videogames"
>t.Miyazaki

>2016
how things changed
now Blizzard, Bioware and Bethesda stand for anti-gamer behavior
all of them start with a B. coincidence?

even Gothic 1 had daily NPC routine and they were not bad either

>kill me Geralt

Ultima 7 had full NPC routines in 1993

>everyone is a master game developer on the internet
>everyone picks 1 detail out of the post to strawman and pretend they didn't understand the bigger argument

Another day on Yea Forums.

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>Bethesda
the guys who aren't able to program ladders are the best the AAA world has to offer?

Rockstar games are sure full of fluff but hardly impressive from a gameplay standpoint. GTA IV had all this cool physics and car deformation, but then you play it a bit, and realize the game is more barren in content than fucking Vice City, and has missions that are extremely dull and mundane ordeals "drive a bitch to a clothing store", "drive a slow ass truck for the mob". It sure has lots of things to watch, the comedy shows, the internet, the TV shows the cartoons but it is less engaging than Vice City or San Andreas. I would go as far as saying GTA III has better missions than GTA IV. So the whole IV thing is pretty much a glorified tech demo.

They can. Just don't want to.

I am certain that I read an interview in which one of the lead devs stated that they aren't or weren't able to program ladders hence why every ladder is a portal.

>wasting ressources on something another one will fix

meme face

The intro is the pleb filter and nothing like the rest of the game. I’m glad so many people never got to experience how amazing exploration can feel in Skyrim for the first time. Continue being happy with your on-rails RPGs and ugly action games

GTA 3, VC, & SA
If you were alive at the time you would understand

I'm glad too, enjoy your blurry ugly glitch mess.

Nah. Howard said they were going to implement ladders for Fallout 3 but that meant they would need to make some big changes to the AI and somebody asked "Is all that work worth it just for ladders?" It was decided it was not. This is not particularly unusual in software development and I don't think anyone here is stupid enough to argue having ladders would have made Fallout 3 a much better game.

I can understand Rockstar to some degree, the rest not so much. Then again, I don't think I can name another 2. Maybe Capcom, but they're like a pendulum.

His actual quote is he considers them to be the top RPG developers so Rockstar is the one that probably SHOULDN'T be there.

>so Rockstar is the one that probably SHOULDN'T be there.
but they should becasue everything that made the TW3 accessible and big was founded by rockstar

R* needs to wake up and go full RPG, They would be good at it.

>Blizzard and Bethesda are considered the best
What?

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But Rockstar doesn't make RPGs so you can't consider them to be the best RPG developer.

Then, maybe I'm out of touch because I don't really play RPGs. So, maybe he's right about Blizzard and Bethesda, even though Bethesda is the barebones of what an RPG should be + many issues.

Based Jay-poster

Let's be honest, they don't exactly have a great selection to pick from. Who else are they going to put at the top? Bioware? Sub-par eurojank devs like Spiders or Piranha Bytes? Obsidian as they are today? There are few major RPG developers around anymore and none of them are excelling to any great degree.

i like rockstar and bethesda games but genuinely couldn't get into witcher.
i hope cyberpunk turns out fun though.