Is he right? Is competitive Smash fucking shit?

the only unplayable character in smash is little mac and that's a good thing because he's horribly designed

>Mother's "I suggest skipping parts of JoJo" Basement
>Mother's "Kaiji was never good" Basement
>Mother's "I'm gonna write for anime theory" Basement

What do you think

He’s a dumbass. The opinion is retarded to begin with and him claiming that certain characters are unusable without items because they were designed for them is so off-base it’s laughable

The fact of the matter is that "competitive" Smash revolves entirely around the characters, not the supposedly "deep" mechanics
Remove all the Nintendo characters and it's dead in the water

Attached: 1553322473346.gif (241x200, 316K)

Jojo is all shit

Items would be balanced with predictable spawn locations. Nobody wants to play with fucking barrels literally exploding right on top of you because you were standing on a slope.

Also someone should make this faggot play against a pro on one of the banned stages. That will make him realize why they're banned. "Flanking and items" becomes "camping and RNG."

I will agree that there's probably too many banned stages in Ultimate, but better consistent safe stages than the fucking memes these faggots want with their Unban Everything shit.

It's kind of unfortunate, because legitimately fun and competitive platform fighters like Rivals of Aether are shat on because they don't have muh Nintendo Characters.

The opinion of a contrarian is worth even less than shit

competitive video games (""esports"") are a pathetic meme

He just hasn't played smash enough

Once he's had his shit pushed in by people camping in caves of life.. or tether grabbers camping at blast zones on walk offs.. or by Pokeballs and assist trophies spawning around 1 player all the time or by getting absolutely ass raped by the gust bellows.. then he'll begin to understand

Why do all these pro-item faggots always think they're so smart? Everytime I see posts like this, they're always the same "heh, yeah I know competitive Smash is played without items... but did you know they can be turned on!!!???!?!" rhetoric. Competitive Smash isn't something created by Nintendo. 64/Melee didn't come with a manual that said "to make the game more competitive, items should be turned off, the game mode should be set to stocks instead of time, and mostly static stages should be used, etc." The current ruleset was made by the players themselves, and as such those rules have stuck throughout the years. By the way, who even is the guy in OP's pic, and why should I care about their opinion? They don't even seem like a person of significance, just some guy on Twitter with an opinion.

Attached: b4f.jpg (859x348, 21K)

Do not forget about most cruel rule.
You must to shower daily.

I don't know how anyone can think this. Items can't possibly be competitive because they're totally random. It's not like Mario Kart where you can play around them with positioning and defensive play and know what chance you have of getting a certain item at any given time, it's literally just "whoops a smart bomb dropped in front of him instead of me when we're both at one stock. I lose!"

Attached: DisturbedDiddy.png (200x200, 47K)

Never heard that criticism even once

It was literally a rule everyone shoved down your throat, because people skipped parts one and two with the anime to the point it became a meme.
This was YEARS before making the video, even then he skipped major story elements, so if they just watched the video and went straight to part 5 they would be completely confused.

Attached: 4FBD69A1-9F93-4F0D-8764-7BC9AE57461F.jpg (1080x1105, 210K)

Banning all but flat stages is like having a "competitive racing tournament" that is restricted to oval race tracks, because right hand turns are too rng.

If it's not designed to play that way then they wouldn't have put the options to turn it off in each game since the first game in 1999.

That reasoning is dogshit. Those nintendo-official tournaments with items on are just corporate moves, nobody is passionate about that. I will say that ultimate seems really forced. So much less depth than melee, an abundance of kids and social retards, youtubers only switching to ultimate for more views. Smash ultimate fans are beaten housewives, I don't know why they support a game they bitch about daily.
Stop digging up tweets from 2017 you aspie

Attached: DN1VNd8WkAABDTn.jpg (283x323, 31K)

Because those are the only options, wanting nothing but >10 stages or wanting 75m exclusively. The whole point of giving every stages BF and FD versions was to prevent the stagnation that infested Wii U tournaments and yet, they're still stuck in a Smashville/Stadium 2 rut.

>a chunk of characters are designed to use items
what

>2017
>citing anything from the faggot shill cuck that is mother's basement

Attached: 1556919363717.jpg (568x562, 81K)

I literally can't comprehend why people still pick default battlefield with default music. I get that some moves have some janker interactions on 2d stages but that still leaves a massive chunk of the stage variety to choose from

Nascar

Why would people even skip parts? I'll admit, part 1 was a little slow, but the rest has been great. Part 3 was long as shit, but I still enjoyed their whole journey, and goddamn I loved part 4

You are not forced to play on competitive rules. You can play however you want.

Attached: 78EEAEA6-88AE-457F-A4D3-660C451A38BC.jpg (280x221, 45K)

why are trannies mad that people play games the way they want to

Yes, that's my point, smash is the nascar of fighting games, as in a joke to all but retarded hicks.

Hey it's that weeb with shit opinions.
I'm pretty sure armada called him a dumbass for not understanding the rules were put in by the community to minimize randomness, so when you do shit like make a prize pot you have no one to blame but yourself.

>Mother's "I let my wife post nudes online so strangers can jerk it to her" Basement
>Mother's "I am a fragile bitch" Basement

I always find casual elitists fascinating. Why do they always get so butt ravaged that people play the game differently to them?

Rosalina, Isabelle and villager come to mind

You forgot
>Mother's "People who like the Goblin Slayer anime are Trump Supporters" Basement

The additional levels and items are a BONUS in addition to a great core fighting game. The lack of items and crazy stages does not make competitive Smash shit, unless LITERALLY EVERY fighting game is shit.

You only think Nascar is a joke because you see the surface level of "hurr durr turn left" and nothing else
I didn't have an appriciation of oval racing until I played iRacing. Its al ot of fun

its because its not a competitive game to begin with
if you have to make up rules outside of the game in order for it to be viable in competition, maybe the game was not intended for that and you people should just accept its a party brawler and thats it

Are there really no side tournaments with items on?

Keep them coming

Attached: 1507820187776.gif (230x250, 1.88M)

What's the underlying level of nascar? All the cars are standardised so there isn't a way to make the engine better, it's all about perfecting your ability to turn left at high speeds. So in essence it's hurr durr turn left.

If there was demand, there would be.

gotta participate in the HOT BUTTON TOPIC and post the latest MEEMS BRO

basically "the cool thing about watching anime isn't actually watching it, its telling everyone online that I did"

tl;dr faggotry

Attached: johnny brabo and his stand.png (346x327, 106K)

There are. Hell most rulesets say you can do whatever settings you want if both players agree.
But that ruins the narrative these people need to have.

>Posting Mother's Drama-Leech/Shill
Don't do that.

Most of the top tiers in melee are all literally whos.
>The best character and his clone are from a series with one good game.
>No one in America had any idea who Marth was before melee and even after that hardly anyone gave a shit about FE until awakening/the shitty gacha game.
>Sheik isn't even a character, just a disguise Zelda wears in one game.
>F-Zero hasn't been touched in 15 years.
>Ice climbers is a pretty bad NES game that is really only remembered today because of their inclusion in smash
>Jigglypuff and Peach are both recognizable characters but aren't exactly fan favorites in their respective series(or in melee).

>The whole point of giving every stages BF and FD versions was to prevent the stagnation that infested Wii U tournaments
Having BF and FD versions just continues the stagnation since it's the same bullshit as Smashville/Stadium only with different textures.

I agree with no items but to be honest the vast majority of stages should be included, even with hazards. Some stages are objectively shit and play like ass (pacland) but if it's a walk off, has a cave of life and other shit? Play around it. I'm very much for "anything goes" if both players have the same chance and its more fun to play and plan around the terrain you are on.

>If it's popular it's good.
You defeated yourself better than he ever could.

I blame it with how for the longest time Jojo (part 1,2) and part 3 were labeled as different series in most streaming services so when people heard about Jojo they try to watch the one that’s newer.

Hey, I used to go to Smash Tourneys in the Brawl and early Sm4sh days. Maybe I can clarify.

In the Smash scene, the goal is to judge who is better at the game while taking as much random ess out of the game as possible, and also any stage or thing that favors heavily one character over another. If a stage has a hazard that can kill you, it will most likely be banned, especially if it's something that is extremely hard to dodge. If the stage has a wall, that gives certain characters an infinite grab or chain. Items are the essence of random. You could be winning, but all of a sudden your opponent grabs a bobomb and you are fucked.

No one is saying you CAN'T play with items. But at a tournament, the purpose of it is to determine who is the best on PURELY skill, so you want to take as much randomness out. He is completely correct, as this 1v1 no items environment kills heavies. Heavies are designed to play in free for all's with items. But, this is a case where you have to throw that baby out with the bathwater.

But yeah, you don't have to play like that. The game is literally designed around 4 Player Free for All Time Matches with items on.

Attached: download.jpg (265x399, 25K)

Its not about who has the best machine, its about how its used + driver skill/decision making dummy
Are things like the MX-5 Cup shit too because every one is driving the same car?

I could levy this same argument you are using against Smash without the items + stage bans as you are removing things from the game and standardising it more

A lot of people who watch anime only watch seasonal shit, so when a hot new thing shows up in a season, people want to hop on it regardless if they have context for it or not cause they gotta talk about something for the next 13+ days I guess

You're missing the point- these stages aren't legal because there's no demand for them, no-one wants to play that. Most people aren't autistic enough for comp- the reason this strict ruleset exists is so character skill (ie """zoning""" with snake) takes precedent. It's a different kind of fun.
this

>smash without items
So it's basically quake without pickups? Lol

yes. every competitive game that bans mechanism is shit. play game as it was made. this shit is cancer of competetive gaming.

Enjoy 8 minutes of circle camping.

>wife's nudes
Link?

>says competitve smash isn't fun
>has never threw down money on all items, all stage games with the boys post-bracket
he should stick to being wrong about anime

maybe you shouldn't feel so entitled that you think you can tell other people how to play a video game

You're not the target audience, move on. Thousands of tournaments and weeklies only exist because people want to play like this.

>Its not about who has the best machine, its about how its used + driver skill
I'd argue having to turn right AND left would require more skill and be a better test of skill than just turning left, but hey that's silly turning isn't skilful all races should just be drag races.
>as you are removing things from the game and standardising it more
How is saying stages shouldn't be banned because faggots can't handle telegraphed hazards removing and standardising things?

Mechanically, sure. Back a change in scenery and soundtrack helps a lot. I got really, really sick of hearing Go Go K.K. Rider in the Wii U days.

Everything competitive has things that are banned.

>>Mother's "Kaiji was never good" Basement

Attached: 1491639648178.png (466x486, 136K)

>>Mother's "I suggest skipping parts of JoJo" Basement
you fucking should, part one is dog shit

who

>Time Matches
i can't accept this

On the topic of items, what if each stage had "item nodes" that produce and hold items every so often, in set locations? You could set item spawns by stage and the spawn times to be set or random like stage swap.

I think it could be interesting to see territory control and zoning take a part in that type of gameplay, while also adding perhaps less than ideal spots to hang around with the idea being you grab what's there first.

pickups in quake aren't random

>>Mother's "Kaiji was never good" Basement
Didn't he go on to defend that hardcore when he needed a point to shit on kakegurui for because he couldn't handle sexually aggressive women so he focused all his criticisms on "the gambling is bad" as if gambling is the focus and not the framing of the show.

The picture I have attached to this post is a track used by nascar. It's not only turn left, but oval racing isn't what you think it is. You have zero understanding of racing so why use it as an example?

Attached: 1540893423654.png (1200x611, 162K)

The appeal is still Nintendo characters

>gambling show
>"the gambling doesn't matter"
Faggot.

>Mother's "I shill for Crunchyroll" Basement
I honestly skipped reading VA due to waiting for the good translations to come out, so I ended up reading 6 first but holding off from reading 7 and starting 8 until I went back.

Attached: 1521341480467.gif (353x339, 845K)

at the very least we get a change of scenery and some nice music

like fuck we can have a grand finals set to Guile's Theme B but nope better stick to stock FD with it's boring ass song

Does anyone have that image of some children's school tournament with all these inane rules like "Pokemon Trainer is banned because they are three characters and that's not fair." This made me think of that.

No
The issue with Competitive Smash is that they're trying to minimize elements of randomness. IT's one of the reasons the community jumped off Brawl almost immediately, because that game had some non-disableable random bullshit like tripping and shit.
In any competitive game, be it video or real, the goal of a competitive environment is to minimize random shit that could skew the outcome in spite of the players' skill levels.
Part of this is that Smash is designed to also be more of a group game or party game, and this comes with adding randomness for less skilled players to have something they can do without much effort. So you lower the skill floor

That was adults

>because some (characters) are designed to use those mechanics
I call bullshit. Which characters are designed around using items?

One of the reasons Araki divided his manga into parts is so new readers could have a jumping-on point without the need to read hundreds of chapters to catch up. The connections between the parts are more of a bonus for long-time fans than an intricate web of plot foreshadowed years in advance (because Araki has no idea of where he's going, and that's part of the fun). So there's nothing wrong with skipping parts, but I reading them all is definitely a better experience.

The presentation of those games is just remarkably worse in general. Smash is so polished it’s hard to compete in that regard. Besides, brawlhalla has an awful aesthetic, and games like Rivals just have poor character design. You can have success without Nintendo characters, you just have to have good, appealing characters which many of these don’t.

Attached: 378B8508-900D-40BE-A795-4D085F0538D1.jpg (666x622, 90K)

competitive everything is fucking shit
competitive environments by their nature always wind up homogenising the activity which removes most of the fun
even athletic sports that are supposed to be fun become garbage when winning becomes so important that all the bants get removed

What if you replaced it with a different set of popular characters

not even the case anymore. stages are blatant top tier pandering.
stages like castle siege, yoshis island, and unova are banned for being good counterpicks against characters like wolf, snake, pichu

>waiting for the good translations
God that takes me back
>tfw there was a time when people weren’t unsure what was gonna happen first. The translation of Part 5 manga because the team took forever to release one chapter or the part 5 anime when it looked like they were gonna stop with 4

She has fucked up tits

Depends on what they would deem as successful. Of course they won't get anywhere near as popular as smash, but having a small, dedicated fanbase of content creators (not sure what the non-faggot term is) and top players is all they can really hope for
I thought castle siege was banned because people couldn't adapt to the tiny amount of jank, and unova for being too similar to another stage

>play chess
>knight is banned
>rook is banned
>queen is banned
>bishop is banned
>pawn is banned
>king only

>castle siege, yoshis island, and unova
All 3 of those are legal last time I checked the ruleset used here.

>analogies

Yeah, it's fucking bullshit that all football fields are rectangular and you're not allowed to kick people in the face. They've disabled like 95% of real-life just to force a specific style of play

Seige is banned because the camera on the right side is obstructed by the wall, unova is still legal in most places.

>uses chess as analogy
>a game which through its history evolved to reduce the randomness and be more competitive
What did he mean by this?

People aren't patient and want to be part of the hottest new meme. Fuck the fact that Part 1's ending was really good, it takes like, more than a whole hour to get there! Yawn!

>go to restaurant
>order burger
>just the buns
>food analogy

I haven't played any game with my smash mains in them.

You can read all of part one in under an hour.

I agree, but I'm not arguing that competitive Smash Bros. should be played with everything enabled, but that the fanbase really has to reach and restrict a ton of stuff in an attempt to make it competitive. Like nuzlocke pokemon (and competitive pokemon in general I guess).

Yes. Competitive Smash is pure autism and even the developers hate the way they run it.
It is not meant to be a serious competitive game, it is meant to be a fun party game, this undeniable because if you play the game without all their faggoty rules then a "pro" smash player can lose to an amateur.

animeonlys can't read

>being literal food analogies

Attached: file.png (800x420, 852K)

Every single competitive game is complete shit. At least if you play competutivly. Back in the day, (yes I'm a 30 year old boomer):
>Hey this character looks cool
>Yeah man but this character has better attacks
>I bet I can beat you anyway
Nowadays:
>Hurrdurr this character is unbalanced
>Nerf this now!!!
>This character is A-Tier

Everyone knows you are meant to skip the first part of JoJo to the end of the last part.

everything conceptualized as a game done competitively is shit.
games have fun as their goal, competitions only winning.
you can have fun while losing, but not win while losing, so it fails 3/4ths of its intended function.

>Because some are designed to use those mechanics
WHAT?

She's on sad panda... Shes not worth going out of your way for.

It's sort of wild if you think about how only recently all the chapters so far have gotten decent translations.
I guess anyone who isn't an obnoxious meming faggot and wants to get into this series has it easier now. That's great really

>so bad he has to use "I play for fun"

Competitive Smash is garbage and fucking boring but people can play whatever they want. Not like casual Smash is suddenly gone because of it

It's like two hours if you take your time and appreciate the art.

>play round-robin format chess tournament
>every board has a different number of squares
>opponent has a 50% chance to take your queen for free partway through the match
>some boards don't let you castle
>number of squares on board changes during the match

Yes. The last good, fun, and competitively viable fighting game was MVC3. Nowadays, fighting games are either awful, trying too hard to be fun by sacrificing competitive mechanics, or trying too hard to be esports by sacrificing fun. Even Smash Ultimate doesn’t achieve the perfect balance, it comes close tho.

you can use any character in smash you like though
just don't expect to get the same results as queen when you choose to play with the pawn

>competitive Super Smash Bros
say that out loud and think about how ridiculous it sounds

>Not like casual Smash is suddenly gone because of it
This is what I always find weird about the people that bitch about it. They treat it as if competitive players break into their house, beat them up, rape their dog and force them to play by tournament rules.

>smash's fighting system is actually really fun on its own
>lots of room for different types of characters
>combat is based on impact, making things inherently fun to pull off
>every character has a lot of nuance and depth to what they can/cant do
>its seen as a fucking crime against god to actually enjoy the base gameplay of smash without all the stupid random shit made to let kids and people who dont care to learn the game have fun too
>the people who MUST have items are for some reason insanely elitist about it, acting as though they are being persecuted by people who just want to play the fucking game
If you like items, play with other people who like items. Thats the beauty of smash, you can play it however the fuck you want. But dont evangelize your fucking shit because you think you're some 300 IQ genius because you like exploding shit in your face

>Is competitive Smash fucking shit?
>Smash is fucking shit
FTFY

>"competitive" Smash revolves entirely around the characters
Isn't every fighter and MOBA like this though?

Adaptability is a skill, but asking autists to adapt to change is like pulling teeth.

Go watch Emplemon’s nascar video. It used to have much less regulations, but it sucks now.

You're right.
It's easier to just say Competitive Smash.

The thing I'm always most baffled by is the number of stages banned. You'd think any stage without hazards would be legal, but apparently even most of the Alpha and Omega variants aren't.

There are real sports that are less picky about their playing fields.

>supporting literally moving the goalposts mid-match

>Adaptability is a skill
You're missing the entire point of these strict rules. Why do people who know nothing about competitive scenes (outside of mentally ill Yea Forums users who don't play on a competitive level) come in these threads and whine

I know, all forms of racing has become really dull now due to regulations. I still like reading about Smokey Yunick's antics from back in its hey day.

There are a few stages that lack a Z axis (Mario maker, Pacland and a couple more) so they fuck with some hitboxes/hurtboxes, otherwise some are banned because of copyrighted nusic and shit and even then it's only on big streams

>wtf the sun is in my eyes now I'm on the other side of the field, ban this!
Said no footballer ever.

Some of the alpha and omega stages were banned due to music copyright. Outside that you can pick whatever variation you want.
A lot of the other stages banned are because either they involve things that ruin competitive I.E. encourage circle camping, far too big, the same lay out as another stage or just bad to begin with.
The other problem is how retarded and inconsistent the hazard toggle in Ultimate is, where the platforms can't move on say Fountain of Dreams but the platform changing on Smashville is perfectly fine.

Imagine losing a pot of $2000 because the 8 year old hiding at the other side of New Pork City got 2 assist trophies and a pity smash ball

Attached: heeeeeeelp.jpg (741x697, 197K)

Put any power ranked melee player up against a random link up B spammer on brinstar depths with items on and he'll still win in a landslide every time.

The issue is that if you put two similarly skilled players in a game with items on an inconsistent stage, the winner is probably going to be determined at random rather than by who's better at the game.

kek

What characters exactly are unplayable because of stage and item bans?

Everyone at the party gets to play for the full duration of the game. No one needs to sit out while One guy (me) with one stock and 120% spends five minutes trying to not die to the jigglypuff cpu that some how outlasted six other players

Huh, I thought it was way more restrictive than that. Thanks for the info.
>music copyright
Fuckin' copyright law strikes again.

There are certain licensing issues with the music. It's easier to just to ban them instead of getting into what BF stages are legal and which aren't. Also nobody fucking cares.

Attached: 1557013247854.jpg (683x446, 152K)

Guess you shoulda adapted ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

None, it's just that some moves become useless against certain characters (Rosalina's down-special does nothing against characters with no projectiles, for example). It's a baseless complaint

Footballers don't need to look at the sun retard
>yes, I know their winning goal was offside but I'm fine with it, because the ref decided before the game that offsides only apply to us -- we should've just adapted to it
said no footballer ever

Oh man and you can't play all the singleplayer modes competitively too what the fuck

Should also mention most rulesets include a thing where if you both agree you can play whatever stage you want.
I've played tournament matches on Hyrule Temple and Poke Floats before.

What stage and item in smash only negatively impacts a single player?

>flanking
What?

>bomb-omb spawns directly on top of you
>throw it at opponent
>they die at 30% fro center-stage

>Tourney Poke Floats
Glorious.

Attached: 1507699682522.jpg (800x600, 174K)

>ugh why do we always have to play tennis on this boring court? why can't we play competitively on polar bear island?
>seriously? this same old pool? we ALWAYS play water polo in this pool! why can't we just play in candiru country?
>same old soccer field. and oh look we can't even use baseball bats. YAWN come on guys live a little!
yeah man why not betray the entire point of competition and create volatile playing fields?
why do casuals even think they have a say in what goes on in a given competitive scene? it's strictly virtue signaling. fuck off

also ban Lylat. surely enough clowny shit has happened on that stage for it to be justified by now

Attached: 1557452182933.gif (471x479, 1.5M)

Doubles on Poke Floats with 4 ganondorfs is pure kino.

Who cares? Just play the game however you like.

lmao just get the Bob-omb first you shitter.

>Mother's Basement
Absolute faggot.

Part 5 didn't have a good translation until JoJo's coloured adventure did it like, two or three years ago.
"Giorno is worst JoJo" partially comes from how he was perceived in old translations.

Attached: joe.gif (445x251, 1.85M)

>yeah man why not betray the entire point of competition and create volatile playing fields?
Well then tell us, why not do this?

End thread. Every other competitive fighter is basically played on the same flat stage with a different skin, and they don't have items to begin with.
Smash is a fighting game with extra crap for thrown in for casual players.

Attached: are-you-thinking-what-im-thinking.png (424x325, 356K)

There are like 15 or so stages that are actually tournament legal, what are you even talking about? If you don't know why a stage isn't legal and just want it for muh spontaneity then you have no business whining about it. Just watch the nintendo invitational and leave your cancerous suggestions out of everyone else's business.

Attached: agent stump.png (478x489, 228K)

Is it worth going back and rereading it if I originally read it like 7 years ago?

Stadium 2 and Smashville have better layouts for competitive battles. If we were to use BF and FD versions of stages more often, it would only lead to MORE stagnation in stages, not less.

just adapt bro
just see the future bro

The "Smash isn't designed for competitive play" argument may have been valid for the older games, but the newer games (particularly Ultimate) are clearly designed with 1v1 no-items no-stages-with-unbalancing-gimmicks play in mind. Which is fine, since making the game work for competitive isn't mutually exclusive with making it work for the 4+ player FFA random-items random-stage-gimmicks that the series was originally built around.

Sonic is pretty shit in Brawl without items, though, he has no killing power. Sure there are worse characters but Sonic is easily the most obvious "this character is not meant to be played without items" character.

Large stages heavily favor faster characters because they can get a % lead and run away for the rest of the match.

Stages with walls favor characters that can infinite off of them.

Walkoffs create really easy 0-to deaths(fox waveshine) and heavily promote camping at the sides since landing a grab is a free kill.

Hazards/Items in general favor fast characters who can avoid them better/get to them faster. Slow characters are usually bad enough as it is without items making it worse.

>Mother's Shitty Basement
His opinions do not matter because he is a kike shill onions anime faggot.

Competitive smash is still shit though

No one would pick stages like Temple, Jungle Japes, or Pac Land if they were legal.

Doing it daily is excessive.

Are you mad that competitive gamers actually play and enjoy video games while you shitpost on Yea Forums, not playing video games?

Actual retard
read this If you think that randomised items as well as randomised item placement that can easily favour one player over another has ANY place in a competitive environment, then you're actually braindead.
With a completely even playing field, the skill of the players takes precedent. The competitive scene won't change their rules to accommodate you having your specific idea of fun. You can make your own scene with your rules- just see how many people flock to your ruleset instead of the widely accepted one.

This is an important point

>Nobody wants to play with fucking barrels literally exploding right on top of you because you were standing on a slope.
aren't all the stages with slopes banned?

>Taking advice from Mother's Basement of all people.
opinion dismissed.

This is why you play teams. You have to sit through at most one stock (whichever teammate is last)

doesn't this guys wife sell her nudes and he lets her?

Hyrule Temple is the only good large stage to ever be in Smash.

and it's the one the shitters in the thread will ignore

Why do you think they’ve started building stadiums with roofs?

This is still the dumbest argument.
People act like competitive Smash players would freeze up and not be able to function if an item showed up on stage. Most of these people have or still do play Smash casually at some point.

>aren't all the stages with slopes banned?
No.

It was also a joke. Smash players have fun joking around in a big group of close friends. I can see why you turbo-autists don't like to be a part of that.

Attached: 1553728347690.png (350x332, 217K)

>If you think that randomised items as well as randomised item placement that can easily favour one player over another has ANY place in a competitive environment
So you admit your earlier example of a rule purposefully and singularly effecting one side is inaccurate since you're making it clear that both players share an equal risk.

You know who's shit in brawl if you aren't playing with a competive ruleset? Everyone but metaknight. Get a percent lead, down b, and mash the c stick. Congrats, you won.

>Why do you think they’ve started building stadiums with roofs?
So heavy rain no longer postpones matches and costs them money?

I kinda miss how jank Brawl was.

Yeah but not for those reasons also
>anime youtube dipfuck's twitter screencap
>mother's basement at that
fucking portugese dickhead

Attached: 1558107683659.gif (320x240, 678K)

What? The dude makes a logical point that justifies why tournament rules are what they are. You’re just admitting your opinion lies in willful ignorance

Watching the show might be more worthwhile, just as something different. They're addressing a lot of things the manga left out too.

>flanking

What is this retard talking about?

>So you admit your earlier example of a rule purposefully and singularly effecting one side is inaccurate since you're making it clear that both players share an equal risk.
based schizo poster

>On death-row.
>Ask if they have fox meat for last meal.
>Order burger, no toppings, fox only, before your final destination.

Attached: is-good.gif (400x225, 1.19M)

Just go to twitter, she's a hoe
twitter.com/tenleid/status/1124338344945520645

Fuck off, you are serious?

Left out as in Purple Haze Feedback?

>"I play a kids party game competitively."

Attached: 1546281562197.png (1149x913, 86K)

If both players have the chance of having random shit happen to them, that still does not mean that they're playing on an equal playing field.
Let's say there's a monster in a game that has a 1/16 chance of dropping a rare item. If you kill the monster 16 times, you are NOT guaranteed that item. People play with the current ruleset so dumb shit decided entirely by rng doesn't swing the game in someone's favour.
What are you talking about? I'm just saying, people arguing for MOTHERFUCKING ITEMS in competitive play don't want to hear the opinions of people that actually play the game.

Attached: genericwhitemale.jpg (292x337, 8K)

It is, but not for the reason he's saying. I play casual matches with my friends without items and a fairly truncated stage list (New Pork City and such never ever, but nobody ever bitches about walk-offs or anything) because we find it more fun to fight based off of our own skills and mechanics rather than what items we can abuse. But we also play with three or four people, very rarely does extreme footsies and camping become an issue, and we generally just pick whatever character we feel like rather than having mains, to the point where I can't even remember the last time we played and someone picked the same character twice in the session.

Competitive Smash is boring because yes, the game wasn't designed to cater to the kid who just wants to pick Jigglypuff and B-air in place for ten minutes. It was designed under the assumption you were trying to fight, not play footsies. I'm not saying players are wrong for trying to win when there's money on the line, just that it was wrong to make Smash a tournament game in the first place.

>mother's semen
The only thing he ever got right was that the P3FES opening is shit

It was really funny when Ryu came out in Sm4sh and so many "pros" couldn't do a basic fireball or dp.

Then Bayonetta came and shat on everyone.

Yes, tourney smash is mashing a square peg into a round hole, its designed to be a party game

Streaming music is fair use, just like the fucking radio. What dumb cunts.

maybe

>Mother's Basement

Stop supporting this disgusting repulsive open pedophile and delete this thread.

I never said that it was an equal chance, I said they're both at risk. If you wanted equality then everyone would have to play the same character so you lose the random element of not knowing what characters your opponents will pick and what strategies to practice against.

Yes it is. It's the only game where the rules require you to shut off 80% of the game and not actually play the game as designed for it to be considered competitive. That's part of why it's just a joke to the rest of the FGC.

I dislike video esaayists because they're always retards that have no idea what they're talking about, and that tweet isn't disproving my claim

Imagine not only hooking up with a pornstar, but one who's so nasty she does it for likes not for money.

To be fair doing the DP motion on a GC controller is pretty awkward.

>disgusting swine with shit taste in anime
>disgusting autists who don't shower and play a kids video game
Can we just kill them all? I'm sure the world is a better place if all these subhumans get their skulls cracked open.

please go back

死んで、ください。

>Streaming music is fair use,
Based retard.

>I don't personally participate in this thing, but I feel like my opinion should still be considered valuable

How can people still defend items in 2019? Nintendo's very own tournament for Smash Ultimate was a fucking joke because of it. The commentator's had to save face every time someone stole a win with a busted item, and had to pretend to be hyped when some chode got their fifth Final Smash in a single match.
Pro Tip: You aren't clever for "suggesting" features for competitive Smash. Everything was already tried and tested 20 years ago by the community. You're late to the party.

Attached: 1533002426141.png (334x428, 135K)

That's not how that works.
You need a license for both, and technically you need to pay for the music rights for both.
The music industry wants music to be played on the radio, though, so they don't enforce that.
They do however throw a bitchfit about streaming and have their bots set up to auto-report shit.

Can confirm. I just clicked on 'JoJo: Diamond Is Unbreakable' when I heard of the show and wanted to check out the first episode to see if it was for me. Thankfully I quickly clocked that this was a continuation but I can only imagine how many people thought that was the actual starting point and dropped the show out of confusion, especially if it's their first anime.

Okay, we’ll since I agree with you I’ll just assume there was a miscommunication

maybe you should play with friends instead of going to tournaments if you want to play with items and such

Yes, Smellsh community kills itself, pottery.

When Quake pickups spawn randomly and the Quad hoverd around people and you have to shoot it multiple times to get it then it would make sense

I mean, remove MK and the balance is kinda-sorta okay-ish.

This one?

Attached: 1400192163992.jpg (1160x612, 119K)

Ice Climbers.

It's absolutely how it works. IN fact, it's not against the terms of twitch to stream copyrighted music, but they will mute the recording of your stream if you keep it up on your channel.
I don't know why these people don't defend their rights.

>Can you get banned on Twitch for playing copyrighted music?
>Now, you can use any music you want, but if the music you play on Twitch is copyrighted, your VOD, clips, etc. can and will be muted by Twitch. This can be a problem if anyone tries to go back and watch your videos after the stream is over.

You mean ban something?

The whole "items are the way it was meant to be played" mentality is for absolute shitters who can't win without hammers and gust bellows

Besides, items being able to be turned off means that it's a legitimate way to play, intended by the devs. As for the stages argument, see above, people who complain about there not being more than platform or omega stages are shitters who can't win without random lava or stage flips winning for them

I'd like to see these whiners play any video game at a respectable level, but that'll never happen

Why she fucks him?

Attached: D6Yo7yeUUAAAi4j.jpg (675x1200, 150K)

That is so hard to watch. I just feel bad for those commentators

More like small inconsistencies and character motivations, not entirely sure if they'd do Feedback.
I feel like giving a nod to Fugo is something David prod would actually do at the end of the show, even if it's brief, though.

lmao she doesn't. She has an asexual relationship with him and fucks other dudes.

yes. every sport that bans any action is shit. play sports in God’s intended way (take steroids, throwing games for gambling, and sabotaging equipment). this shit is cancer of competetive sports

>Mother's "Fanart of another anime reviewer holding my cutoff head is a death threat" Basement
Anime died when Demo quit uploading

horrible analogy

>no characters are banned in Ultimate
>there are no random elements in chess like items or hazards

Think next time you post

They're not banned, it's in the rules of most of tournaments that BF and FD stages are allowed, except a few. And yes, the spectators do care, stinky apologist.

> Characters are unplayable because they're designed to rely on items

Attached: 1554578479791.jpg (581x767, 92K)

Did the anime start with Rolling Stone?

i dont know anything about smash, but this. you can't try to say, "these people are fucking no life smelly autists autists" and "these people don't know how to best play the game." they've put thousands of hours into this stupid fucking party game, and they know better than anyone else

Retard

A pro player will still shit on all of us even with items, the reason that items are banned at tournaments is because when two players are at a similar skill level, THEN the items are at their most random

Mommy!

Is that just a nice way of saying he's a cuck?

>muh inclusivity
>muh they're gatekeeping vidya

Pussies

Who is this?

Honestly why is gatekeeping seen as a negative?
Retarded people giving uninformed opinions should be ridiculed.

When you need to grab a scissor and start cutting shit from the game for "tourneys" means that its basically unbalanced as fuck.
Actually is the first time i hear this ever.
If the game has the feature and isnt fixed as a bug should be fair play.

Its unbalanced as memewatch i guess.

Well yeah, but that's a party, not a tournament

What, you think competitive players invite people over for parties and drinking so they can smack them around in singles?

Anime died when Jii-san died ;_;

Rolling Stones hasn't been adapted yet as far as I know, but I haven't seen the last episode.

No, but they've alluded to it.

>Everyone knows
Jesus imagine being this fucking stupid.

on a per-match basis smash is unbalanced as fuck. which is why it's intended as a party game where you all play a bunch of matches and the lopsidedness starts to balance out. winning a match due to a lucky item doesn't matter if the next match has someone else doing something similar

Gatekeeping is seen as a negative because casuals and normalfags don't want to be left out of anything, but don't want to put in any effort

>(because some are designed to use those mechanics)
What did he mean by this? They're all designed to take advantage of items in the same way. They're fun but outside of galaxy brain stuff their use is homogenous.
>flanking
What did he mean by this? Do you mean running away and camping on huge stages? Is he retarded?

>Flanking

What the actual fuck did he mean by this?

Attached: 1484608669838.jpg (400x400, 42K)

Ah okay.
I always found Rolling Stones to be really out of place in the manga and basically an after thought to the story.

casuals are the true elitists

Dedede invalidates basically everyone below him.

As if I needed more reasons to hate that faggot.

I’d be more willing to accept competitive Smash Bros. if it was actually fun to watch. The characters are one thing, everyone will use dominant strategy to win until something better pops up, you see that with character usage stats in like SF, Tekken, etc., so I can deal with the game being a Wolfcina fest feat. Snake and Pokemon Trainer, but Jesus, the stages all suck for viewership, it’s not even funny. Smashville is boring garbage with no hype music, the lack of any aesthetic transitions on both Pokemon Stadiums suck, combined with garbage Sun/Moon music playing 90% of the time, and there should be zero reason to play Battlefield or FD plain when every single stage in the game has a variant of those two courses. I don’t understand why the community bans shit like Mementos, Castle Seige, Green Greens, Yoshi’s Island, Fountain of Dreams, etc. when the hazard toggle makes them absolutely playable without any of that “random chance” they try to eliminate every time by picking pure flat stages; news flash, the tiny-ass slope on the stage didn’t ruin your victory, you’re just a shitty player who can’t work around it.
Meleefags are the scum of the earth, and they suffer from more of a problem of character stagnation, strategy stagnation, and an overall poor-mannered community than the rest of the Smash community, but I’ll give them credit that they actually manned up & played on transitioning Pokemon Stadium & Fountain of Dreams for the longest time, instead of just going pure flat all the time as seen with Shitville and all the Pokemon courses in Ultimate. I forsee a lot of viewer drop in Ultimate at EVO the minute the audience realizes it’s just flatshit and dominant strategy for the whole of Top 16, with a huge chunk of players playing the same chars to advantage from it.

Attached: A7A07BDD-DDFE-495E-ABA0-4A1461834AE7.jpg (800x800, 74K)

Disregard.

Because god forbid the person who's played for 200 hours be better than the casual who plays at parties and the person who's played for 1000 hours be better than both of them

I'm all for talking about nerfs and buffs, broken characters, all sorts of elements, but these people don't even know the game well enough to have valid arguments about these things, they just want to be good without any time investment or skill

When was that?

I'm not telling anybody shit
the developers designed the game for a purpose, if they wanted it to be competitive they would've added competitive features in the standard game

>i want to reap all the benefits of being part of a group without putting in a single modicum of effort to get there

this is why. refusing to allow an unexperienced sailor to be a part of your vessel? gatekeeping fuck i wanna feel the ocen spray. Don't want to let someone who can't lift 30lbs be a firefighter? you fucking bigot, anyone should get the chance to feel like a hero.

ultimate gets very consistent patches though, all it takes is a +1.0 to completely change the Meta

It's almost impossible for this game to stay stagnant, especially with a huge roster. I've seen way more variety in Ultimate at top levels than any other fighting game in a looooooong time

Name one character designed around items, bad stages, and time battle. In fact go on and name multiple since there's apparently a chunk of them. Oh wait you have no idea what you're talking about.

that doesn't mean it can't be played competitively. people turned chucking a frisbee into numerous sports, do you think john q frisbee's descendants are harping on about the misuse of his fun beach toy?

Zoning and camping is already strong enough in modern Smash because the faggot TOs hate small stages. Stadium 1 > Stadium 2 but Olimar is popular so the former gets left at the wayside for redundancy.

Rosalina.

Attached: 14COhR2.png (512x512, 24K)

any character with wall jumping
now tell me how the 1 allowed stage with walls makes that not count

Like BF/FD versions of stages, an item toggle, and a Hazards switch?

>Wolfcina fest feat. Snake and Pokemon Trainer
Oh man you couldn't have made it more obvious you don't know what you're talking about.

>character stagnation, strategy stagnation
You dont know what youre talking about. Like most people who try and talk about melee.

Wall jumping is such a non mechanic in smash though, it really changes nothing since every character can use ledges for essentially the same benefit of wall jumps

Items and most stages are solely there for the kiddies and the absolutely most casual of players.
If Sakurai didn’t have a “But I have to appease everyone” mentality, items would be gone, hazards won’t exist in the first place, and the roster wouldn’t be so bloated.
Also, the fact of the matter is that most people DON’T actually like items or most stages. For many people, its a huge distraction away from the CHARACTERS. The dynamics of each character’s move sets and stats are completely forgotten when items are in play. It’s also just not fun or competitive to play against someone who can circle camp on larger Hyrule and stockpile OP as fuck items.

you can't watch smash for a week and then spend years pretending to know all about it
this whole post isn't healthy

You can wall jump even on final destination.
How? You're gonna tell me the only purpose down b serves is pulling items to you? It works on all projectiles not just items.

This "youtuber" has a cosplay "gf" who sells nudes lmao

i've never seen someone so threatened by toys for children that they need them hidden out of sight

Her down special effect more than just items.

That makes it not count. Every other stage with walls gets banned because they're typically on stage which leads to seriously exploitative stuff that often includes infinites. Either that or if the walls are below the stage there's some other problem with it. There are some legal stages you can still wall jump on regardless.

>the most casual of players

Fucking this, some of my friends who pick up game controllers maybe 3 times a year max prefer items off if we're all playing together, literally NOBODY enjoys losing because 3 assist trophies spawned on the opposite side of the field from them

It’s only a negative to people who are being kept out.

>i've forgotten what the difference between fact and opinion is
thanks for sharing

all competitive gaming is shit

>is a party game shit when made competitive
yes

Yeah, this is true, but it can’t be denied that there’s still a strong presence of characters like Wolf, Lucina, Palutena, and such others over, say, Ridley, K. Rool, Dark Samus, Little Mac, etc.; any character’s capable of winning in this game, but top players will generally go for top strategy. The fat esports kids at my uni used to play Cloud all the time in 4 because he was considered the best, and then they swapped over to Inkling, Lucina, and Wolf in droves because now they were considered the best.
Part of it I’d imagine is muscle memory too, Lucina is essentially a better version of Marth in this game, and Marth hasn’t really changed all too much from Melee, so naturally you’d see Marth players swapping over to upgraded Marth. I know people who played Sheik for the longest time in every game, and still play her in Ultimate, despite the “she’s bad” talk, and I still think she’s rough to fight against because the players are still doing those high-speed combos she was so good at doing in 4 that could rack up damage in seconds.

Its extremely important in melee.

And also the ability to turn off items that's been in every game. What's more who gives a fuck about developer intentions? Fighting games as they are exist entirely by accident and many of the quality of life changes made to them were made as a response to how fans organized how they wanted to play.

Was gonna call him out on the same thing. So many characters have moved up on the tier list dramatically and the way people play is still evolving pretty significantly which is really impressive considering the game is almost 20 years old.

The whole competitive tournament ruleset was designed in the TOP SECRET backrooms of a bbs forum by a shadow council of like 5 or 6 guys. Of course it's fucking shit.

Fox and Falco's reflectors are pretty useless and a waste of a move if you aren't playing with items on.

You think Demo quit the YouTube anime game when he realized all the new wave faggots were going to join in?

Dont ever think the retards on this board will give melee the props it deserves.

>this fucking dumbass
Am i on Yea Forums on something? Fuck off with him.

>I can deal with the game being a Wolfcina fest feat. Snake and Pokemon Trainer

The what?

Attached: GOML.jpg (1020x949, 75K)

>Casuals bitching about tournament play
It's not like these rules haven't had almost 20 something years to be refined.

If you wanna play on wacky stages with all the items so badly, don't do it during tournaments, fuck around in friendlies before or afterwards.

Or just don't fucking go to tournaments.

Attached: 1375178636259.jpg (142x273, 23K)

>Hate competitive smash but still spectate it

Attached: 220px-Sigmund_Freud,_by_Max_Halberstadt_(cropped).jpg (220x299, 12K)

Yeah that was an issue with people who play SF too. The dpad on the GCN controller is trash and doing motions on an analog stick is cursed.

>guys can we go to great cave offensive i really miss the lava and minecarts
shut up normalfag, git gud

I think he quit because he's a lazy fag

>he's ACTUALLY retarded

>what are projectiles

>hooking up
The cuck MARRIED her. He’s an absolute dumbass.

It's important in melee because of things like ledge hogging that aren't present in newer games

>entire thread full of people bad at competitive smash seething that it exists and continues to grow
cope

Attached: 1556989198748.jpg (564x481, 42K)

Defend competitive Smash from the perspective of a viewer wanting to be entertained over watching something like UNIST or Tekken instead.
You literally can’t.

Attached: 7C414439-AC82-4760-92F8-575E7FC007C8.png (420x420, 211K)

If a toy suddenly spawn a Goat Space God, spawn a fucking Wyvern, pick you up to fucking space, or instantly vaporize you after getting punched a little, then yes, those “toys” shouldn’t be around people at all.

>and there should be zero reason to play Battlefield or FD plain when every single stage in the game has a variant of those two courses
I'm willing to defend competitive Smash until this point. Yes I get that the variants aren't banned and they just use the defaults to get it over with. They don't want to have a discussion about whether it's okay to change things up but jesus lord it's a great feature and entirely allowed so please use it. At least the smaller tournaments take the time to get some mileage out of it.

kek it's the best move in melee

>he can't shine spike

99% of the stuff that is banned would benefit the top tier characters more than anyone else.
The characters that aren't super viable in 1v1s aren't made to be played with items and fucked stages, they're meant to be played in free for all's or team battles.

Most people hate playing sports but love watching them

There's always something cathartic about watching professional competitors of any kind

Yeah. It'd be like playing a board game without dice. It's the random element that makes it fun.

Wrong.

Lots of characters rely on projectiles to safely get back to stage.

Reflector cucks them with a single button.

t. WFT main

Palutena still gets that much usage? I thought she'd been labeled a jobber character by now.

>continues to grow
heh

This

>Smash 4 Ike in Singles
>Trash

>Smash 4 Ike in Doubles and FFAs
>Lord High Commander King God Father Jesus of Mt. Olympus

Alright, Mother's cuckment is a lot of things, but he is NOT a cunnybro

Opinions are stating your own person beliefs or tastes.
Facts are stating thing that are known to be proven true.

Stating “I like X” is an opinion, however “user likes X, he told me so” is a Fact as you can verify that user like X, despite it being an opinion.

Streaming rights. It'd get more use if it wasn't a legal quagmire waiting to happen.

And people are naturally lazy, too, but it's always nice at the smaller tournies that don't give a shit.

the timer in every smash game should be 5 minutes
it's the standard for every other fighting game no matter how the game is set up, any single match can only potentially last 5 minutes
smashfags are so stupid they think a 7 minute match where no one was forced to be aggressive because they had so much time to space moves as safely at possible for several minutes even when they were losing is better than a timeout
>b-but you can go for timeouts with a lower timer
no shit, if you're losing you have to go the fuck in and not be like that faggot at the melee tournament who threw a tantrum and ragequit because he was getting lamed out by someone with a life lead
smash takes too fucking long and everyone plays so fucking gay, put the goddamn fucking timer at 5 minutes and fuck the hell off

Tekken is one the least interesting games to watch

Wish I could cum in her throat to be quite truthful

An invincible recovery and unbeatable Nair go a long way

I thought the only problems there would be Mother stages, Midgar, and maybe the other third parties.

Because it doesn't matter and wastes time. Audience can barely hear the music anyways over the commentators.

I'm sure you could if you have money

Hear anons get it, OP is being dishonest. Charecters seem better balanced when you have the chaos of items and stage hazards going off while 4 people fight.

The RNG causes things to seem less balanced.

seething

Try again before you crucify yourself.

Attached: 20F5F347-1E6F-4E70-AB35-E0C1867F497F.png (854x477, 917K)

It's easier to just say "no" than "Yes but not on these stages you have to remember", especially to someone going to a tournament for the first time.

If you're not on stream, nobody gives a shit anyway, though.

Imagine being such a fucking retard that you think a rewarding tournament that has money on the table is gonna have 75m, a stage that has a fucking killer spring, hammers and fucking bullet bills!

Doesn’t literally every anime YouTuber hate this guy? Like, isn’t he unanimously hated by everyone for having shit opinions about literally everything and not only being obstinate over it but also really smug?

ay nigga.

we don't play nigga.

Attached: 1546405438760.png (361x361, 132K)

I do but guarantee she isn't around where I live. I'd be willing to pay her for a night but hell no would I travel for it.

Lowering the timer would make campy playstyles even more viable because the amount of time they have to maintain a lead is significantly decreased. Timeouts are super rare in melee currently, but if the timer were lowered to 5 minutes you'd start seeing them every tournament.

>Let's promote camping even further in the one fighting game where it's somewhat viable at lower time settings

How about no

Weak bait

Attached: maxresdefault.jpg (1280x720, 69K)

The only thing that pisses me off is that they banned counterpick stages for being counter picks

How fucking retarded must you be to do this.
Warioware, Castlesiege, mementos, like holy shit, they exists to counter characters
Just fucking adapt

>Kaiji was never good

Quality shit taste.

Attached: 1541103577612.png (847x1200, 366K)

It's not bait, Tekken is legitimately fucking boring to watch, it's fine when playing though

The current best player in melee wins exclusively by running away and chipping damage. Watching him win by just camping would kill melee even further

Did any other game in last year's EVO ban anything? I know some fighting games ban stages that are too messy.

>smashfags are so stupid they think a 7 minute match where no one was forced to be aggressive because they had so much time to space moves as safely at possible for several minutes even when they were losing is better than a timeout

There is an option in the menu to turn off all items so that was an intended mechanic. I agree smash players are ridiculous with disabling stages. Sure disable the gigantic ones because they waste time but any normal size stage with stage hazards off should be sllowed.

youtu.be/u7usxzUZjFI

WAIT A MINUTE

IS THAT
OH MY GOD

IS THAT A FUCKING SLOPE

REEEEEEEE BAN IT BAN IT BAN IT BAN IT BAN IT BAN IT BAN IT

>b-b-but that doesnt count!

How the fuck do these people even think stages should be picked? The neutral ones already come with a ton of variables, with a striking and counterpicking process between rounds. They can't spend five minutes banning shit, and if they remove that part of the process then it becomes extremely easy to directly counterpick the opponent's characters, making the game as simple as rock paper scissors. Oh wait I know, the response is
>Well Smash shouldn't be played this way anyway
Once their suggestions for how they want competitive Smash to be are blown the fuck out.

Totally agree about Warioware. Small blast zones does not mean the stage isn't neutral. That stage should be a counterpick to check campers. Castle siege I'm a little unsure of, I don't know how much they exaggerate the problem of the slope. I also don't think Skyloft was given a fair shot all because of sharking. Mementos is fucking huge though and campers would turn it into a snorefest.

getting under some stage to get from behind, this only works when 3+ players are playing

she cute but lol what a faglord for marrying a girl that calls herself a nude model/erocosplayer
guess he really needs the money and gets off to other people being able to jizz on pictures of her

Its simply because smash isn’t a real fighting game. Don’t pretend fucking mothers basement is any smarter for saying it

The point of your post is that lowering the timer would make people play more aggressively, but that's the exact opposite of what would happen. The longer the timer, the less viable campy playstyles become because the aggressor has more attempts to get in. If melee was played on 5 minute timers you'd see way more platform/ledge camping puffs and way more laser camping foxes.

Walkoffs, walls, caves of life, and gaps that require jumps to approach can lead to very boring or frustrating to watch optimizations.

This, Tekken is actually boring to watch, the same happened with Pokken

>462952771
mother's basement pls go and stay go

the main crime in competitive smash is the ban of 90% of the stages, but unfortunately it has a purpose

stages are banned because you can't count on people to not be faggots, autists like M2K or Zero will just run away and time you out once they get a lead on any stage that's too big, which effectively bans 90% of all stages

if you could count on people to just play the game and not be cunts, we could enjoy a lot more content in competitive smash. but that's just too much to ask for...

Attached: 72 KB.jpg (126x126, 2K)

no you wouldn't you stupid faggot
you'd see less people just letting someone with a lead fuck off without trying to be aggressive against them because they're losing and low on time
if your game is so fucking shitty you can't expect a match to end in 5 minutes you need to find a better game to play

explain to me how abusing a life lead isn't playing the game

Those are designed around projectiles now items you retard

People who complain about items are completely retarded. Do you think lower tiers would be more viable without items? That doesn't even make any sense. Imagine the current top tier like Wolf or Pichu but now they also get access to broken as fuck shit like beam sword or star rod, which means free super ultra strong gimping.
Also imagine Ganondorf vs Fox. In a normal match, Ganondorf has somewhat of a chance by approaching cautiously and spacing his hitboxes, but it's extremely tough. If you enable items, now Fox can just run around Ganon, grab everything, and absolutely destroy him.

i mean, for starters, nascar races aren't only on oval tracks. they also go to road courses with different layouts, like watkins glen and sonoma.
even on traditional oval courses, there's more strategic depth than just "hurr durr turn left":
sportingnews.com/us/other-sports/news/what-is-the-strategy-behind-stock-car-racing/

There is absolutely NO REASON in a game with 100 stages, that there are only 5 stages people use.

I mean, it makes you undeniably a cunt to force the opponent and all of the spectators to watch you run like a bitch for 5 minutes straight

I guess if you can't see how that doesn't make you a faggot then you're a faggot beyond redemption, sorry

Attached: 1336866864256.jpg (555x644, 31K)

smash is fucking trash but if you want to play with items then nothing is stopping you from becoming a TO and doing whatever the fuck you want.

You're wrong, by having lower time limits, it's much easier to camp, especially in a game with so many options for movement and creating distance like smash. The reason for that is simply because you have to camp for a much shorter amount of time.

there is a reason, as much as it sucks, see:

In any other game it’s called zoning and it’s a perfectly viable tactic. In smash suddenly you’re a scumbag. Maybe your game just isn’t competitively viable, user.

>muh feelings
cry more you stupid bitch
5 minute timeouts are better than 6+ minute matches on a regular basis
take a fucking shower

Fuck items
Even 4-player matches are much more fun without items

>timeouts are ba-
youtube.com/watch?v=KLmHHFDG3OY

In other game you use your life lead to pressure your opponent and secure the win. I don't recall being able to completely disengage my opponent in any other fighting game.

So what you’re saying is smash isn’t a fighting game?

Attached: 5CDCFE0F-439E-4079-945E-4982A1AD49BB.jpg (470x470, 29K)

Why do people say being competitive is unfun? Isn't besting your opponent and/or almost winning to an equally matched one the most fun part?

>Is competitive party game fucking shit?
Yes it is. No matter how much autismos pretend that it's an e-sport, it's still just a fucking party game played by smelly manchildren.

Nice autistic screeching.

4 and Ultimate just started getting way too dumb with items. Assist trophies and Pokeballs are often free kills that stay around too long. There's that dumb flag that I usually just toss off the stage as soon as I can get my hand on it. Some characters have final smashes that you just can't avoid. Items often don't feel like they're fun to use aside from the more simple ones like the guns or the bat or beam sword. You go after them just so you don't have to deal with them.

I personally think it is not a competitive fighting game but I won't go out of my way to try and convince the sweaties about it.

>exposed as a mega fag

Attached: 1325704337982.jpg (541x571, 319K)

in his defence thats a tank, you should always zone out tanks or heavy characters

Players already play aggressive while behind, all lowering the timer does is decrease the amount of attempts they get to try and kill the camper. It also makes people more likely to stall more since playing for the timeout becomes a real possibility.
I think the way he's saying it is pretty retarded and reeks of scrub mentality, but I think most melee players would actually agree with the point he's trying to make. There are a lot of really fun stages that can't be legal in tournaments because certain strategies are too oppressive on them. It'd be great if we could actually play on hyrule temple or corneria without it devolving into camping, but it's not possible in a tournament setting.

people like you still exist?

It's a game with characters where the main objective is fighting one another

It's a fighting game

>Play chess
>One move away from victory
>Opponent suddenly flips the board and yells FINAL SMAAAAASH
>You lose

You're proving that you've literally never played smash competitively in any manner

You have to remember if it isn't a 100% copy of street fighter it's not a fighting game.

>Someone who's not even good at reviewing his niche tries to do it for video games

Amazing, I'm happy Super Eyepatch Wolf basically called him a cunt

>Nobody wants to play with fucking barrels literally exploding right on top of you because you were standing on a slope.
I do. The unpredictability of items makes Smash stand out from other fighting games.

Students at my school were like that, after I won a few matches of a tourney in a few seconds each on Pac-Land shitting on everyone with items they got the point I tried to make

Older tekken games you could run away indefinitely on infinite stages.

The list currently stands at 11. Here are the only somewhat legal stages that are almost always banned
>Rainbow Cruise
>Warioware
>Frigate
>Skyloft
>Mementos
Of those I'd agree with banning Cruise and Mementos, even if both are some of my favorite stages regardless of whether hazards are on or not. Then there are the redundant stages which I'm kind of so-so on banning but I get why they don't want to waste time splitting hairs.
>PS1
>Dreamland
>Fountain
>Midgar
>Wily's Castle

I truly have not cared about smash since 2008 with brawl back in high school. Never cared since and I have a modded 3DS and Wii U.

Why is still so popular on Yea Forums? The games aren't that mechanically deep at all.

Games should have little rules telling you what to do and should just be fun.

fountain is banned because the switch has shitty hardware and gets framedrops from it

Tekken and Soul Calibur are fighting games that aren't direct copies of SF. SC even features ring outs.

he also complained about Goblin Slayer

Is it just me or is Ultimate's spawn rate for assist trophies and pokeballs absolutely ridiculous? My friends went from loving those items to almost always wanting them off.

>Mother's "Avatar and Steven Universe should be called anime because they have overarching plots" Basement

this set was fuckin' incredible. Just watched for the first time. Goddamn I wish I saw that live.

Well Goblin Slayer was trash, and no, not because it had a rape scene.

So therefore not fighting games.

>if you could count on people to just play the game and not be cunts
...then "competitive smash" wouldn't exist at all, because it's built on not playing the game as intended.

Said no one.

>racking up percentage and ringing out your opponent
>not intended
???

Clearly you have never browsed /fgg/

>my eceleb called out your eceleb
peak nu-4chin

gee... it's almost like smash isn't a fighting game and isn't designed for competitive play... woah...

Only trannies and retards browse /fgg/. Which are you?

>Any other fighting game
>Stage selection usually means literally nothing; just pick whatever pretty jpeg you want in the background

>Smash
>Stages are varied with each one forcing players to play differently

>smash's "limited stage selection" gets brought up as some detriment when comparing it to other fighting games

Why

Attached: evo.jpg (708x433, 42K)

Hey nice esl

Why are people to this day still ass blasted that smash is a fighting game?

>Tripfag
Filtered

Neither.

Competitive gaming as a whole is retarded, especially competitive gaming that isn't community driven. If you're playing to win and be the best, then you'll almost inevitably sacrifice having fun...so that you can be the best in something that no adult gives a fuck about.

In melee you don't win with only a % lead, the game goes to sudden death where you both spawn at 300% and the game spawns random bombs.

Luck is antithesis to skill
Skill needs to be rewarded, luck punished into nonexistance

>competitive SF bans stages
>everyone supports it no questions asked
>competitive smash bans stages
>people autistically screech about how it proves it isn't a fighting game.

All anime youtubers are total cancer.

Then you clearly agree with me.

No character in Smash has gameplay that revolves around items, and the ones that have abilities that can effect items like Rosalina, Villager, and to a lesser extent, Olimar are all high tier.
This guy is just yet another casual elitist that doesn't like that people can enjoy a game with rules other than the ones he plays with.

kaiji sucks and some parts of jojo are bad

Which competitive tournaments ignore and just say that whoever had the higher percentage just loses.

Comp rules are lower % wins.

I used to play a wider variety of stages. As I (and my friend who I play with) got better, the non-comp stages got increasingly un-fun. Walk off stages make for really shit, boring gameplay. It feels like whoever wins, we both lose. We barely play them any more as a result.

>SF ban stages
What? But why?

I don't as tekken can never be a fighting game until it removes all 3d aspects and uses inputs like SF.

That's the one big aspect of competitive Smash that is a frustrating compromise of the game's mechanics. It really sucks. Any other fighting game gives the win to the leader. Sudden death is fun and all but I get that they don't want people running out the clock and hedging their bets on it. That's how Zero won the first invitational.

>ignores half the game
>call themselves pros

If you're truly a pro you should be able to handle anything, not just a narrow set of circumstance.

I hate Digibro, but if there's one thing me and that faggot can agree on, is that we both fucking hate Mother's Basement.

Ah, so in spite of your extremely minor grievances nobody really cares about, you are still willing to tune in and watch! So basically, there is no reason to invest the time and resources into changing a rule that just simplifies dealing with the game's copyrighted music that has no impact on gameplay because you'll still end up watching it anyway.

You lied. You are a retard from /fgg/.

Frame rate issues in IV so everything was training stage.
I believe some of the SFV stages are banned like the beach one because of the ocean but I dunno I dropped V like 2 years ago.

I know, I play in tournaments. He was talking about developer intent though.

>If the game has the feature and isnt fixed as a bug should be fair play.
So it’s not a problem if we play and I give you a 300% handicap

>That's how Zero won the first invitational.
And it made for an absolute awful showing of the game and gave Zero a bad reputation that follows him to this day. People who don't follow competitive Smash still remember him as that guy who tried to ruin Smash 4 for everyone.

Which is why comp rules ignore sudden death.

Sounds good, but as someone who used to take games very fucking seriously, it doesn't pan out. Imagine in a game in which there are 10 guns. Now imagine that gun #6 is pound for pound the best. Odds are, you'll just have a game in which everyone is using gun #6. Now, granted, that reflects poorly on the developer for making a shitty unbalanced product but...you know. It is what it is.

>N-Nani?! He's so random! I can't predict his movements
This is how casualfags imagine their encounter with competitivefags.

>competitive sf bans stages because sf4 had framerate issues
>"competitive" smash bans stages because smelly autists can't adapt to anything that isn't final destination
>smashfags pretend this is the same thing

No I just shitpost in fighting game threads on Yea Forums hoping to piss off the bloody roar furry or the autist that posts game grumps as evidence they take no skill.

>ignores half the series
>calls himself an "anime critic"

I think you're taking my minor point and trying to shoehorn whatever narrative you're pushing into it

Can you predict viewership for this year without shitposting?

Attached: Top_Tournaments_by_Hours_Watched_EVO_2018.png (4000x2250, 156K)

>SF players are so bad they can't adjust to frames changing

don't most competitive scenes try and take out exigent circumstances that cause too many variables in play thus hindering the ability to determine who's the most skillful player

>is literal who Twitter screenshot from 2017 right guys??
fuck yourself with a wrench
stop ruining this board

A character who was extremely good in competitive play smash while having the same move that supposedly depends on items to be useful

Nobody in competitive Smash uses Sudden Death to decide a match. Whoever has the lower % at timeout wins the match. What happened at the Smash 4 Invitational was Nintendo not having the first fucking idea on how competitive Smash works and playing with stupid shit like FFAs and Sudden Death to decide wins.

Nowadays Nintendo's official tournaments don't seem much better but by now they just have to be doing it out of spite or something rather than ignorance.

just because bingtendies are used to eating 20fps shit doesn't mean everyone is.

Meant to specify smash 4. Clearly she’s not as good in ultimate, but that has nothing to do with her down+b

Ultimate will surpass Melee for sure. It MIGHT surpass SF, not sure. DBFZ will probably drop lower, as it's winding down in preperation for the next game. SamSho will get a lot of attention. No Melee this year... UNIST will be very low. I think DBFZ will for sure do better than UNIEST and SamSho in the end. Tekken will pull Tekken numbers, same as always.
And...
I forgot what the other games were.... I don't plan on watching them. Blazblue... Soul Calibur?

Oh, Mortal Kombat. I don't give a fuck, but I imagine it'll do quite well. Sadly. SonicFurry will bring it a lot of attention. Thank god he's not playing DBFZ anymore tho.

Gonna guess SF down, Tekken up, DBFZ down a lot, MK will probably have a decent viewer ship, ultimate will probably be one of the highest. BBTAG will be none existent sm, Sam Sho and SC will have mediocre viewers and I have no idea for UNIST.

>Kaiji was never good
what's the source on this

Smash is a constant 60 fps though, which apparently your precious esports game of SF can't hit unless everything is white squares.

sf (and most fightan) is effectively played on a single stage already tho

Or it is because the official, in game way to decide matches is with sudden death, and Nintendo never strays from in-game rules.

Nigga, the professionals like M2K, Hbox, Leffen, Zero, Esam, ect. would fucking mop the floor with your face with or without items on, on any stage
Items and dumb stages like 75m being turned on will only let the top players dominate since they are getting even more powerful tools that they can use far better than you can.

I’d like to see you prove me wrong though. Go email the best Smash players, get into friendlies, and fight with items on NPC or GCO with no other changes.

There's nothing wrong with competitive smash banning noncompetitive elements.

The problem is the smash community and scene banning stuff not because it's uncompetitive, but because it's conductive to a specific type of gameplay and strategy they dislike. Namely, they raging, frothing hatred for evasive, defensive, and zoning based play.

>Nowadays Nintendo's official tournaments don't seem much better but by now they just have to be doing it out of spite or something rather than ignorance.
Nintendo ran the qualifiers for the Australian one on the exact date of 2 major Australian tournaments with the finals being on the date of a 3rd.
At this point I can only assume it's spite.

yes. imagine playing the game a way it was never meant to be played, and calling yourself "good" at it

What things are banned in Smash that discourage zoning?

the sheer amount of bullshit in this post is really impressive

>mothers "naruto online" basement

Items would benefit fast rushdown characters that don't have projectiles of their own.
>it's conductive to a specific type of gameplay and strategy they dislike. Namely, they raging, frothing hatred for evasive, defensive, and zoning

Evasive and defensive also suggest weaker stage control, and items heavily benefit the player with more stage control.

Having items on doesn't create a level playing field either as faster characters, villager/isabelle and Rosalina all dominate rulesets that have items on. It's just as stupid.

Sure they could beat me, but then if they're so good why don't they play each other with items on, no banned characters or stages? If they can't do that then they're still not pros at a game, they're pros at half a game under specific rules.

That sounds very retarded.

Yes, but he's also bad at it.

If you're gonna call a game shit, you might as well call yourself shit.

Incineroar is honest to god garbage. Even if I'm trash, it doesn't even feel good to face against him and win. I wish something that didn't make me cringe replaced him instead.

Attached: m i n i o n.jpg (720x708, 37K)

Very large stages and FD being the only single plat.

>total hours watched
pointless, stupid metric no doubt designed to make SF look good. if we broadcast it for longer the number goes up durr.

peak viewership went to dbz. even melee had more viewers than sfv unless you count a 2 minute period where Ninja hosted the stream for 50k

>Yea Forums put 2,745 hours into THIS
>but tells you you're playing Smash wrong in a private in-person environment with agreed upon rules using built-in options that have been in the games for 20 years

Attached: pvp.png (970x2282, 284K)

Why don't they just use omega stages?

Is that why Pokemon Stadium 2, one of the largest stages, is also one of the most popular in Ultimate?

>if they're so good why don't they play each other with items on, no banned characters or stages?
because it's more fun for everyone involved that way

also... there are no banned characters in any smash game

They do. It's still just FD.

>Mother's "I suggest skipping parts of JoJo" Basement
>Mother's "Kaiji was never good" Basement
This looks like an e-celeb that sustains itself by having the wrongest opinion possible for controversy. OP and everyone who bumped this thread should be thrown into the incinerator with it for giving it attention

Attached: 1555647765743.png (127x196, 34K)

notice how nobody tries to argue that dark souls 3 is a competitive fighting game. smashfags need to take the hint (and then take a shower).

FD is legal, but if you made every omega legal it would heavily benefit zoners as you can't ban them all and it's a stage that zoners love.

Leave my fucking hobby competitive fags
How is smash even fun with no items lol
You people literally ruin every game with your faggot autism shit

Items off is fine because some items are trash and just having a fuckin game saving item drop fucks up the balance of a game. The smash meters I'm fine with. The stages is a load of horseshit. Every stage should be played, even the bad ones, otherwise it's just a race to the bottom for character tiers

>"competitive" smash bans stages because smelly autists can't adapt to anything that isn't final destination

Daily reminder that the issue is not that Pros can't adapt, but that they adapt TOO well, leading to degenerate strategies. Any casualfag that legitimately thinks that statement is true should be forced to play on Hyrule Temple against a Sonic who actually knows what they're doing.

Attached: (You).jpg (540x720, 86K)

Imagine being at chess tables

>B-but items are default settings!
The default game is meant to appeal to the widest audience, namely children and casuals who like flashy random fights that they don’t have to be good at to participate. Being marketed as a party game is why smash has always thrived with an enormous audience while other games featuring mass appeal character rosters, like MvC and DbFighterz, are left with more niche followings. Also willing to bet that the vast majority of faggots crying about default settings aren’t playing timed matches.

>if you could count on people to just play the game and not be cunts
If you're playing a match with friends, this isn't an issue. If you paid money to enter a tournament, and there is prize money at stake, either you will do everything in the rules possible to win, or you'll lose to someone doing the same. Ask the dead how much they care about their honor.

I mean

Attached: kuk.png (605x407, 46K)

Did a comp player break into your house and delete every setting that isn't competitive?

>his "hobby" is to play Smash Bros, uncompetitively, with items on
you also have autism

It sucks because items are really fun, but he's wrong.
But there's no reason so many stages should be banned. The competitive community is so obsessed with "memorizing" or being used to layouts that they can't adopt to new stages. Reminds me of Smogon banning anything unpredictable

>we banned this stage because we're too good at it!

Jesus christ the amount of cope in this post.

Smash is based because it makes FGC furries seethe.
>i-it's not a real fighting game!
>stop watching smash, watch this obscure anime fighter instead!
>why are you playing an old game, capcom forces us to play the newest street fighter whenever it comes out!

play vs me in melee and I'll show you why flatzone is banned (by waveshining you into a blastzone)

You like every retard using the excuse they can't adapt have been proven wrong to the point it is refundant to even acknowledge at this point.
Keep up the delusion if you want.

>flanking
I dunno sounds like pussy shit to me

Attached: IMG_20190517_101209.png (800x800, 411K)

>being used to layouts that they can't adopt to new stages
The issue is some stages are TOO adaptable and benefit certain characters or degenerate strategies way too much.

Keep in mind that that's a really bad thing when there's large sums of money on the line.
>Down to 1 stock each, high damage.
>Knock him off the stage. Not quite enough to kill, but he has literally zero chance of recovering
>Then a barrel drops and explodes, sending me rocketing off the side of the stage seconds before they died
>Lose out on $500,000 because of random chance

Or in the case of stages
>Play on Temple
>Get a single kill
>Spend the rest of the game running away and avoiding fights for eternity because I have a lead and can just wait the timer out
>The opponent has to do SOMETHING to kill me and even the game up because he'll lose
>But he can't because I can just run away forever

How come people never get upset that pro CS only uses set maps and defined rules but autistically screech that smash does the same?

It's literally true. M2K alone is responsible for half of the Melee stage bans because he found an optimal, game-breaking strategy. Casual cope.

>Comparing Dark Souls to Smash
Why is the FGC this vocal about their stupidity?

But as a pro they should know about that and how to avoid and/or counter it, banning it just shows that they can't adapt to it. Continue to cope.

>fighting game
lol

>proving my point

This same kind of mindset happened before the game came out, casuals were demanding competitive players play with Smash Meter on and use Stage Morph, to which the community said "no, shit's unbalanced, if you want that then play it on your own time" to which casuals lost their shit.

I don't understand why casuals keep demanding competitive player appeal to them when they don't actually have any interest in the game they're talking about. Doing something like webm related is miles more fun than running away till an Assist Trophy spawns and letting that kill my opponent for me.

Attached: dab.webm (720x404, 2.94M)

they can't adapt. it's proven by how many smashfags refuse to move on from an 18-year-old game with bethesda-tier glitches and jank, no balance patches, and only two viable characters.

And these supposed "pros" can't adapt to new strategies or techniques I guess? Doesn't sound very pro to me my coping friend.

>even if all the pros can beat everyone else with items the fact that they don’t play each other with items means they aren’t really good
Nigger are you retarded? They don’t play each other with items because none of them want to. That’s because at that level of similar skill almost every match would be decided by the luck of the right item.

So the best way to stop the meta stagnating on stages is to make everyone play a single character?

This guy is fucking terrible, we all know. Most e-celebs are.

in my experience, most ppl actually AT events are like "oh cool melee? yeah I played that to death as a kid, looked pretty cool at Evo last year, crazy tech man". ditto for top pros, players from both games acknowledge the skill of the other scene and are glad for each other because we cross-pollinate: watching Evo gets some Nintendo kids into fgc and vice versa which is good for all of us

only in the online realm of people who very clearly do not compete, ie Yea Forumsirgins and stream monsters, is this "seething over Melee" phenomenon still occurring. IRL it's like 6 years out of date. even Kappa has come around on melee for fucks sake

It's impressive how little you know whilst talking in such authority.

But then the whole game turns into who can get the most items faster rather than who's better at the game, there was actually a time when items and all stages were on but people realized they were bullshit that de-emphasized skill and thus got rid of them.

>bingtendies

Attached: #raugh3.jpg (293x331, 50K)

you can't
>get hit by frame 1 move
>die with no counterplay
this sounds fun to you? this sounds like a superior version of the game? no it doesn't, but then you are an autist who argues disingenuously on an anonymous Cantonese fly fishing forum, so I'm not really talking to you, I'm talking to anyone with a working brain who happens to be reading this

Don't even try, there's been like 4 posts itt trying to drive in the exact point you're making yet they don't listen.

Well then it kinda sounds like Nintendo should maybe...work to balance the game a bit better?

>Brood War has to have specific maps so Zerg doesn't curbstomp in the first few minutes
Gee guess pros can't adapt

This. It changes the entire focus of the game. The priority is no longer attacking your opponent, it’s getting to the item first. Individual character traits and toolkit’s are watered down as every character becomes a receptacle for items to be used through. When items are doing all the attacking and KOs for you, all that really matters is how fast a character can get to them.

And then the game becomes a weird coinflip of whoever got the first hit wins. That's not fun to play and not fun to watch. The whole point of rules and bans are to turn the game into a competitive test of skill.

yeah they can start with removing the exploitable stages I guess. but I don't mind them leaving those in since you can just, you know, disable them in the options menu. whereas not only can you not disable waveshining in the options menu, it's actually pretty cool and I wouldn't want it to be removed unless I was forced to play on flatzone or wall stages (which I'm not)

Just made me think about it. It's interesting how nobody tells BW players they should move onto the newest game but you still get people bitching that melee is still played.

That was so fucking hype

Hyper Casuals want to pretend that they are in the big leagues when they beat a lvl 3 CPU with no damage taken or beat their friends 3 games in a row.

FGC spectators (not even the players. The players themselves actually are indifferent at worst) think Smash is too kiddy for their Anime fighters and don’t want it associated with their anime fighters

The game can't be patched, it's a GameCube game. And even if it were patchable, there'd be no reason to because it's a problem only for a small part of the playerbase.

Stream monsters were truly a mistake.

Why not just modify the stages?

Current debate in the melee scene is about freezing pokemon stadium to keep it in its default setting.

smash autism my man
it's exclusively an autistic Nintendofag phenom. you look at these smash ult kids and online autists and ESPECIALLY the rosterfags, they're like "omg splatoon and botw and Mario Odyssey haha Nintendo", basically it's like an identity thing for them. then on the other hand you have people like mango who says "yeah I bought melee in 2006... but then I went home and played fifa instead" and who don't really give a shit about this Nintendo culture thing and it kind of triggers them that someone is applying critical standards to what they see as part of their identity and they feel per personally slighted if someone doesn't switch to the new thing with them or can be construed to imply that they enjoy it in an inferior way.

hence the hostility. at least some of it