Redpill me Yea Forums, what's the consensus on Super Smash Bros Melee?

Sadly yeah, i get the same feeling in many other game communities as well, but it's particularly bad with anything Nintendo.
Just look at Pokemon, casuals are absolutely SEETHING over the existence of competitive Pokemon and it makes no sense, it's not like anyone is stopping them from playing the way they want to.

he's asking about the game, not the community.

>Pokemon
>SEETHING

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good game but the community is really autistic

Just look how asshurt and insecure Yea Forums is about this game, that means it's pretty fucking good.

This.
The people on Yea Forums who shit on it literally side with Salem, if that doesn't tell you how stupid they are then idk what can.

Meleefags: "The best game evar! The only good Smash game! Most balanced and perfect game ever made! Fox only, no items, Final Destination!!!!!!!11"

Everyone else: It's a good game. But later Smash games improved upon it.

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>implying there is absolutely no reason for fans of Melee to prefer it over other games

It's an overrated game with about 3 hours of content. It's only really popular with the Nintendo fanbase because with them, everything old = good, new = bad.

Yes, definitely a fair and unbiased representation of the situation, i can tell you've invested a lot of thought into understanding the people who feel differently from you.

greatest multiplayer game ever made hands down.

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gg

Used to be one of the most beloved games of all time, now it's fallen out of relevance & Ultimate has taken it's place

>trying to act like those types of people don't exist
I work at a job where on breaks, the same four guys still play Melee. And all they do the whole time is complain when they lose and gloat when they win. And complain about how bad Ultimate is. These same idiots did this routine all through Brawl and Smash 4 as well.

And they're not even fucking good. I can beat them with Luigi in a game I haven't played in a decade. They throw the controller and cuss and cry. Then come back and lose again.

What if I shit on comp Pokemon without ever playing the franchise

Idiots exist, acting like they're the reason Melee is alive and popular is an obvious misrepresentation.
Have you ever been to a noticeable event or engaged with the community online?
It's full of cool people who simply like Melee because it's faster, more complex and offers a greater degree of control than newer Smash games.
That doesn't need to appeal to everyone, but acting like it's just nostalgia or autism is silly and just as unfair as toxic redditor Meleefags who think people on play nuSmash because they're too retarded for Melee.

Just accept that people like different things, why is that so hard?

Happy accident.
Beloved game by many, praised by all, still loved to this day, ARGUABLY the peak of the series and never topped to this day.

>"I know some guys who like a thing and are bad, so that means everyone who likes thing are bad"
Autism speaks

swap ultimate and melee and youre right
melee has a killer single player but its so fucking unbalanced and is being killed by puff, ultimate on the other hand is objectively the most balanced smash game while also having the most characters

>it's only limited to that one exception
The thing I described is how every Melee fan I've ever met acts. And no, it's not a small group of people. I've been to local tournaments, small meet ups, large conventions, etc. Any time Melee is involved, perfectly normal people turn into wanna be tourneyfags and raging crybabies.

>Autism speaks
The irony, considering the people we're talking about.

>talks about small group of people
>people call you out on faulty reasoning
>"A-A-A-ACTUALLY I KNOW LOTS OF SMASH FANS I JUST FORGOT TO MENTION THEM IN MY LAST POST WHERE MY ONLY INTENTION WAS TO RIDICULE SMASH FANS HUH WEIRD IT SLIPPED MY MIND HAHA"
kek

Good game

Literally the biggest group of fucking trash human beings as fans, however

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>keeps deflecting away from the points made and attacking the argument
>complains about faulty reasoning
>this is the same defense Melee fags have been using to any criticisms since Smash Boards was popular and shows up in literally every Smash thread
Really makes you think.

>old bad
>new good

Melee was really fun for a period of my life. The tech skill can arguably fuck up your hands over time. The community is meh, but there are some good leaders that try to benefit others. The storylines are legendary (pros who’ve been playing since childhood), but they’re all old and hairy now. Ummm fuck the future iterations of smash though, I’d rather fuck around on fortnite.

Sorry forgot that literally every Melee player/fan in the world has interacted with you and that your anecdotal evidence means anything, carry on

nah we're sick bitch

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Melee is what happens when you become too entrenched in something. Every single autist picked it up as a competitive game, and now none of them can adapt to a new game. They're so deep into sunk cost that they would rather sit through the garbage to find a CRT than okay something else. It's watching a gambler looking at his last chip, and somehow he keeps getting just enough money to keep going, even though all the friends he had at the table left a long time ago. It's really fucking pathetic, and there's other gaming communities like this, like CS 1.6 and brood war. All of them are fucking losers.

So, your message here is that it's bad to get into any game competitively?

Break the Targets>any other single player content

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>still can only respond with absolute generalizations
>ignores how tons of other people have made similar complaints about Melee fans, to the point that the Melee community is known as one of the worst in all of gaming
>forgets Smash Boards existed
But sure, I'm just one person who happened to encounter the only bad Melee fans in the world. Yup.

Melee is, without a hint of irony, one of the best pieces of entertainment to ever grace the human species. To play Fox vs. Falco on Fountain of Dreams is to experience ludo on an unprecedented, orgasmic level. It is timeless. It is infinite in it's beauty. And it is fun. It rightfully deserves it's place among the greats, and a snapshot of Captain Falcon's nair would not look out of place next to Louis Le Princes "Roundhay Garden Scene", or perhaps "Citizen Kane" or "Les Demoiselles d'Avignon" by Pablo Picasso

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It's pathetic to never move on, you fucking loser.

>game is bad because its fans are bad
You people can't really be this braindead, can you? Please, give me some hope here.

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Reminder that every every smash game brawl onward has OBJECTIVELY worse controls than melee ON PURPOSE because sakurai is a hack nigger who hates good game design.

The best smash game overall excluding things like PM and Brawl Minus.

Just fucking give me my run into jump momentum Sakurai. Literally the most basic concept of any platform based game.

This is actually a pretty good metric. Melee's sick. Learning the game then playing people at your skill level is unlimited fun.

Depends on the character. Someone like Luigi got better in Brawl and Smash 4. Then got fucked in Ultimate, while lots of other characters got better in Ultimate.

I would've liked to see Melee mechanics attached to Brawl (not PM, Brawl) just to see how hilariously busted MK would be

Most people have said Melee is good, but the fans are shit. Perhaps you need to learn how to read.

Melee and F-Zero GX were the last gasps of Nintendo before they wrapped themselves in bubblewrap and exclusively made games with rounded corners.

piss babies

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We will never get another F Zero game.

Yeah I know

What the fuck is Melee? I don't see it here.

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Melee allows players to play, and in turn think, much faster than any other smash game. If you've ever tried competitive melee and got frustrated with it, put it down and now shit on it it's because you're brain is not powerful enough to comphrend the faster neutral game and make your hands move fast enough to do anything about it at the same time. Melee is a very deep and complex game, to play at a high level you need to at least an above average IQ with good reaction time but the literal retards on Yea Forums are so incompetent that they just cannot grasp the game. And so they endlessly shit on it.

Not even to do with melee but I still don't like Sam Sho being a headline title when it will barely have been a month between it releasing and evo. Same problem as last year where BBTAG was being advertised as a headline game before it was even out.

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While I still think Melee is the most fun official smash game, the melee guys have talked shit about how they didn't need EVO for ages. The amount of asshurt when they got dropped was just downright embarrassing.

Melee is that guy you knew who was pretty chill but then his crazy girlfriend falsely accused him of rape and got away with it, and now everyone shits on him cause they think he's a rapist.

no, melee is a pretty chill guy with a crazy girlfriend (melee fans) who abuses everyone to the point that people can't be friends with melee because his girlfriend ruins everything they touch.

No, Melee is the crazy girlfriend. Fond memories of the sex, but by god you don't want to get near her now because every man under the sun is gangbanging her now.

It's a game with a lot of depth, and that makes it a game in which you can spend hundreds upon thousands of hours playing it without halting your learning process on it. It's also a really fun game in my opinion, but it requires you to click on it first before the real fun starts. Of course, I'm talking about a 'competitive standpoint, which is Melee's main strength over other smash titles. This doesn't necessarily make it the best game, just the best smash for long-term dedication, if you're into replay value.

great spectator game.

I don't see the point in new people trying to get into it though. Even people who've played for 10+ years mess up basic technical stuff costing them a stock or match. To be able to play at a competent level takes months. What's the reason for anyone to invest months and years just to not lose to the first guy in pools?

> competitive standpoint
from a fun standpoint

>I don't see the point in new people trying to get into it though
For fun and passion. Dedication to melee is rewarded with tangible progress and a better understanding towards the game, like any other sport or competitive-oriented videogame. You won't see people in that category complaining about how it's not worth the try because there's someone better out there with years upon years of practice.

Drop Smash Ultimate for a fighting game as well

really fun

>Everyone else: It's a good game. But later Smash games improved upon it.
idk about that considering all the games that came after it lack things like running momentum conserved when jumping and you clip to ledges. seems like every game after it has been a downgrade in the physics department.

Best movement and movement options in the series.

>giving a single shit about balance
are you Armada?

>And they're not even fucking good. I can beat them with Luigi in a game I haven't played in a decade. They throw the controller and cuss and cry. Then come back and lose again.
that's funny because I would bop the shit out of you in melee and I'm not even good so they must be complete garbo

>Melee is the most fun official smash game
pmchad detected

Talk is cheap when you know you'll never actually have to back it up with action.

it was a fun party game back in the day, but autists have convinced themselves it's a real fighting game and take it super seriously and the same 8 people win every major tournament. it's as much a serious fighting game as mario kart baby park only no items no customs is a serious racing game.

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Melee is a great game competitively. It's fast, feels great, and pretty fun to watch.
With that being said, hosting Melee is a completely fucking pain in the ass. Its the main reason why EVO dropped it, and why we might not see it at EVO for a while. Nobody likes having to deal with shitters who refuse to play the fucking game without having very specific CRT televisions and controllers with factory defects. In addition, a lot of the top Melee players are also huge divas that constantly antagonize the FGC.
Great game, but garbage community that ruin the experience for everyone else. If the community refuses to adapt to the times, it will die off, and dickheads like Armada aren't helping at all.

netplay me right now

Reminder that melee will never die and always be the best smash

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they have a point
melee is alive and popular because the game is FUN to PLAY. Smash bros Ultimate is not, the physics are off or someshit. Its literally a game that gets boring as fuck to play even when you have friends over. i can't really explain why though it just is.
claiming smash ultimate is fun as fuck and just as good as melee is being a tasteless retard who doesn't know what makes games fun or is just a fanboy

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>melee is alive and popular because the game is FUN to PLAY. Smash bros Ultimate is not
But Ultimate is alive and popular as well. You're just contradicting yourself.

>the physics are off or someshit.
And you don't even know what you're talking about. You just sound like the typical Melee hold out. "Wah every Smash game after Melee sucks because it's not exactly the same as Melee!"

>Melee is better because more wanna be tourneyfags jerk off to it
You're just providing evidence why Melee is worse.

ive put 1000+ hours into every smash game since 64, don't tell me i don't know what i'm talking about. the new smash games are just not as fun, they are slow and the physics and weight and speed of the game just feels less fun. the violence less "violent", the haptic feedback of playing less enjoyable.

like i said, its just not something you can play for 1000 hours without getting bored with your friends like you could melee till this day.

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melee is better because it is a more fun game.sucks about the lack of content compared to ultimate

>ive put 1000+ hours into every smash game since 64, don't tell me i don't know what i'm talking about.
It's like I'm really back on smash boards.

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based nppraxis poster

btw the power ranking for comp play is melee>pm>>>>>brawl with no climbers involved>64>>>ult>4>>>>>>>brawl when playing vs climbers

Autist raging against Melee is the funniest thing on this board. Why do casuals feel so threatened by it? Just play your shitty single player, jerk off to the waifus, and make another newcomer thread for the thousandth time.

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The irony is that the raging is from Melee defenders who have to respond to every single post that talks about Melee in anything but glowing praise. This and every other Smash thread is evidence of that. In fact, in this thread, most people said Melee is good. Just the community is bad. But then the Melee friends took that as an insult against Melee itself.

ignore the cherry picking nusmash retards and try it yourself. It's fun.

half the cast is viable in melee my nigga, not that bad desu

>half the cast is viable in melee my nigga, not that bad desu
That is pretty bad when almost every character in Smash 4 and Ultimate are viable. I'll never understand why Melee fans think this game is the best competitively, but half the characters cannot compete.

>only like 20 something fighters
>only like 10 are okay
thats bad

>That is pretty bad when almost every character in Smash 4 and Ultimate are viable
You're bullshitting about Smash 4, shit was never as balanced as people say. Ultimate can't really say since it's only been a few months.

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Tier lists only apply to the extreme 0.1% of tournament players. For the rest of the community and even low level local tournaments, someone playing a "bad" character can still be on equal footing to someone playing a "top tier" character. At least in Smash 4 and Ultimate. In Melee and Brawl it's impossible because certain characters had game breaking exploits.

Now, maybe someone will find a few game breaking exploits in Ultimate over time. But so far, you're not seeing certain characters destroy everyone even when played by a mediocre player like Meta Knight in Brawl or the dashers in Melee.

Most melee players don't even enter tournaments anymore they only care about how good their favorite melee celebrity is doing in it, this is why they tell you about views, because attended and numbers of tournaments are dropping since 2 years ago, is ironic how they make the melee vs newest smash narrative, yet their tournaments can't live without them because the competitive scene is not rentable, this is why they are butthurt about evo, they say that they don't needed because they are too big but the moment they are dropped they cry about how unfair it is because muy views

honestly smash 4 just had less bottom tiers. 75% of the cast still had no chance.

>Most melee players don't even enter tournaments anymore they only care about how good their favorite melee celebrity is doing in it
That's how it's been for over a decade. Hell, even when Melee was current, most people just looked up the best tournament players and tried to copy their techniques. They failed at it. Then they blame the other player for "not playing right."

I don't care about tourney tards, but it's decent enough. The worst part about it is if you want to get 100% of everything, you can't if you don't have a Pikmin 1 save file to get some dumb trophy.

>It's full of cool people who simply like Melee
I think it is fair to say that the autismo to cool people ratio is higher than normal. I mean just look at the incredibly high amount of stupid drama that comes out of melee. You had a guy throw a crab at Hungrybox. Other game drama is like this guy was sort of mean online or rage quit

who wants to netplay
east coast nyc here

>people shitting on Armada

I don't really follow the drama, but what did he do to get people mad at him? I thought he was one of the better-behaved and spoken pros.

It's good, and it has my favourite style of Mario in a game (realistic overalls, but with the Mario 64 colour scheme), but it's a little stiff in controls.

its garbage unless you are using the last PAL version.

Melee is great, melee players are mostly chill but melee fanboys completely obliterate the game's image. You see that sort of thing a lot these days when a new game comes out and the fanboys overshill, they can't just let something slide or not take the bait. In their pursuit to make sure melee's image is always protected they've ironically made it way worse.

I kind of hoped the whole EVO thing would be a wake up call, seeing every other fanbase so happy you weren't there might have been a good time for reflection in the community. But no, it was obviously a conspiracy because everyone hates melee being so great.

melee fanbase is very louder on the internet, but smash people actually support their game and go for tournaments, just look at the numbers, don't get me wrong melee is fun game to watch, but there is a reason the numbers of attendes especially on locals are lower each year.

smash.gg/tournament/momocon-2019-1/events

smash.gg/tournament/smash-n-splash-5/

and on FGC related events is the main smash game, sometimes melee isn't even threre.

smash.gg/tournament/combo-breaker-2019/

Its something I was discussing on the weekend with a couple of TOs in my local scene. The problem with a lot of the FGC now is that since online is the norm nobody really bothers to organise local meet ups or events outside the monthly tournament that all games share. This causes a lot of games to appear dead and eventually have people stop attending as everybody expects somebody else to run something.
In my scene each month ultimate probably has like 20 meet ups I dunno as I don't really follow it. Melee has about 4 or 5 depending with most of them being at bars so people hang out and drink. Tekken has 4 and similar to melee in that regard. But SF only has the monthly tournament, so you have barely anyone entering it and they were considering dropping it as only maybe 2 or 3 people would enter it. Which is even less compared to random poverty fighters.

He didn't do anything and anyone who isnt a dipshit and actually in the melee community isn't mad at him (???)

this thread is just full of fucking retards

I've noticed Melee gets a lot of hate the past few years. What happened? Melee is a solid and very enjoyable game, but people talk about it like its absolute trash.

best in the franchise

Melee has always gotten a lot of hate, there's just been new memes about the community in the past little while.

From my experience, a lot of the FGC are starting to turn around their opinion about melee and the idea of sticking to the game you like over the latest.
Unfortunately you still have a lot of retards fanboying melee who I am actually unsure if they actually play the game or not.

Well a few times in this thread people have accused him of whining about balance and jiggly.

There has always been a vocal minority that rails against Melee. I don't think these people realize that even though the game is in its twilight years for popularity, the fact that it has endured this long is a testament to its quality. I mean, you're talking about a game that was released nearly twenty years ago, that has not been patched or edited at an official level and still continues to be played for money and fame.

In fairness that is also in part to SFV being shit, and even the people who like it are sick of the lack of updates. S4 wasn't much of a patch in general so if you weren't feeling S3 then this year is just more of the same. There are other issues as well like how Pro Tour point distribution being restructured to reward smaller events less. So the little guy has less reason to train at locals/monthly small tournaments for mid sized tournaments he stands a chance of doing well at.

It is a complex issue basically. I like what the Tekken World Tour is doing with dojo tournaments, which basically allow you to earn points at small scale events.

the best competitive AND casual smash
has the best physics, character selection, stage selection, and item selection out of every smash game
every other smash game is just too slow and floaty

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this nigga gets it
this floaty slow play shit isn't fun to watch

>fast and technical
>fun
>best movement in the series
There's something about Melee that the other Smash games cannot replicate. Really its only problems lie in the character balance as far as the low tiers go, roster (all of us are spoiled by Ultimate) and useless shit like L-cancelling. If Ultimate or future Smash games had Melee's physics no one would play the older games anymore.

I like the way they do TWT as it encourages players to travel to more niche scenes such as BAM in Australia that was on this weekend.
I do agree with a lot of the problems with SFV as I was originally a SF player but just couldn't really get into V. The problem I was more talking about is that there are active players just none want to take the time to play locally.

>L cancelling
>useless
You tried.

Melee's balance is fine the way it is. You don't want too many viable characters

>FGC are starting to turn around their opinion about melee and the idea of sticking to the game you like over the latest.
That isn't a new thing to the FGC though, we just tend to have more options.

Plus I always found the framing a little dishonest, Brawl wasn't just a meh sequel but a game that really wasn't tournament viable. A lot of SF fans dislike SFV, but it doesn't have random tripping that kills movement. And smash players still pushed Brawl for a long time, it was only when they reached the end of their rope with it they said fuck it we need to bolster melee for the community to survive. And at this time there was no alternative games for them to pick up. If there had been a semi-competent melee clone, or Brawl was just slightly less of a shit show this whole thing wouldn't have happened. Melee would be a side tournament like old games usually are

At the tournament I went to on the weekend I think 3s and ultra 4 had more entrants than V.

It’s crazy enough for Crazy Town, but not enough of a boy for Boy’s Town.

>complaining about L-cancelling in 2019

>l cancelling
>not float cancelling

come on nigger why do i have to press the shield button every time i land

Play Peach.

Skill based movement is the best movement. Modern games in general don't demand enough pure mechanical skill from players.

I don't think it's every time you land its more every time you do an aerial attack, I could be wrong tho

Any time you do an aerial which will be active when you land.

Overrated

You're new to melee and it shows.
You press L R or Z after doing an aerial but right before you land to cut the landing lag in half, thus making it possible to continue doing a combo or anything else. It makes you faster.