Is it really the best SMT game?

Cope.

>Persona games are on sony
>best SMT games are also on sony

Based Sony always wins

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You're not the boss of me now

ah, buzzwords, it all makes sense now

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have sex

3ds version is slightly better (but only slightly)

No. It's tedious as shit. The alignment effect on combat is annoying. The later levels are a chore to get through because of teleports, auto movement, falling through floors etc. It had potential but fuck me it's just such a god damn chore.

DDS1's battle theme is fantastic.

youtu.be/AFhXPvElNZ0

There are no "best" SMT games, Ryan. Shin Megami Tensei as a franchise has been fluctuating on mediocrity for the past couple of years. Atlus even tried to pull in the Persona audience with Apocalypse, but it just didn't bring in those sales. I don't know why you delusional fucks think SMT is ever going to breach the map like Persona 5 did, but it needs to stop. The absurdity needs to cease, and I'm going to put you back in your place. Now fuck off back to your dead general on /vg/ where you belong. I'm sick of the constant threads over the same shit Ryan, it's getting old.

Nocturne was great, but I don't think it's that simple. I personally loved Soul Hackers (Saturn/3DS) and Devil Survivor too. PS2 had some of the best, but also some of the worst. I really didn't enjoy Devil Summoner.

Based schizo.

>DDS trannies still coping with the fact that the MC turns into a hermaphrodite in the second game
You can't make this shit up. DDS is literally the Final Fantasy of SMT, and it's absolute shit. Fucking cope, Ryan.

>Cropped hentai reaction images
Really fucking mature, guys!
*clap* *clap* *clap*

It's probably the only smt that doesn't have teenage protag. Whether you think it is or isn't a bad thing, speaks strongly about your taste and character.

>Shin Megami Tensei as a franchise has been fluctuating on mediocrity for the past couple of years.
*blocks your path*

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>Being this mentally I'll

Unironically seek help.

there's literally nothing wrong with self-inserting as a teenage character, getting succubus demon pussy, killing god and bein' badass

Nice try, Ryan.

What the fuck are you on about? Nocturne wasn't good, at all.
>Fusion is incredibly flawed since you can't choose which skills to transfer over
>Reasons were bastardized alignments, placed behind retarded characters who barely had depth outside of Hikawa
>Started the whole trend of "Dude isn't SMT that edgy series where you kill your friends haha"
>The first mainline entry to be in full 3d, but still retains the boring corridor filled dungeon crawling from previous entries
You need to fucking cope if you think this game was better than Persona 5, Ryan.

I've never played an SMT game but someome said the main character was doomguy and it's set in Antarctica? Should I play this game and which version?

what is this from, the reverse search doesnt tell me

kill yourself

Why did we attract an XV-Kun tier autist in our threads as of lately? I'm.. really confused.

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Persona 5 is trash. Medicore dungeon crawler combined with babby's first VN. Constant handholding and a stripped down combat system. 10 hours of introduction and tutorials before the game even begins. Fuck that.

I would say it and Nocturne tie for the best, both are the peak of megaten.
Context? I only know this as the Malcom in the Middle anime.

Strange Journey: Redux on 3DS is the definitive version.

P5R/Smash Joker and SMT/persona threads coming back, he will go away one day i think

>god tier combat
>shit everything else
IV:A is mediocre honestly. Enjoyable, but still.

>Fusion is incredibly flawed since you can't choose which skills to transfer over
This is not a real problem, since you can either reroll-scum, or grow some balls and play with the hand you're dealt with.

is this a troll or a real answer, I haven't kept up with the news on the 3ds verison

There's no reason to play the original when Redux exists.

He is for real, you can emulate it on citra if you want, also it its technically the most recent Megaten game

The 3ds version is just like the original, but with some extra content.
Both are great.
The original emulates fairly well from what I've heard.

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No troll, it's legitamately the way to go. The character art isn't as good as the original and that's about it

3ds remake is the prefered way to go. Though it has some pros and cons.
>pro
Updated graphics
New content
Refinents to some mechanics
>cons
New character art is pretty mediocre
New story content is pretty shitty

Vanilla is perfectly fine but most prefer the remake, totally up to you.

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The original has a better artstyle, remake is soulless as always

Apocalypse's OST is god tier, though.
youtube.com/watch?v=kG22JL4RRTI

Also it should be noted that tbe 3ds version's regular difficulty is easier then the original's, though you can unlock harder difficulties as well.

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90% of it is just IV's soundtrack. What's is new is good but still.

It's straight up better.
The only downside is that the artstyle is worse, but now all 20ish named human characters have a portrait now with multiple expressions opposed to vanilla SJ where only 5 or so characters got one static portrait.
If you want to nitpick you can complain about being able to save the game whenever you want, but the game still has the old dungeon save points and the new dungeon has dungeon save points as well so you can still play both the new and old content without having to rely on quicksave scumming, but that will be completely on your part.
Other than that it is the same game, but with nocturne kalpa like dungeon, 3 new endings, more demons and probably the best atlus girl to date or atleast the least shit atlus girl.

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t. not the boss of me now and not so big

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It's calles nazca.

Nah it's shit compared to Soul Hackers, DeSu, etc.

Narrative wise the new content is pretty shit. Alex is pointless as fuck, the new endings are too idealized instead of having faults to each, and the characterization of Jimemez and Zelenin is sort of ruined. Atlus remakes always shit the bed when it comes to new content having far worse writing then the original.

do you think it's better than mh4u? that and Majora's mask were my fav 3ds games... I've never played a SMT game

Ryan? More like Ryan this DICK
AHAHAHA GOTTEM

SJ is great but the only thing about it thats GOAT material is the cover art

youtu.be/w2huCwT171c
This is the best major boss theme and there is nothing you can do to change my opinion

You can only reply to this post if you've played Megami Tensei 1 and 2 on the NES (the remake counts)

I love the sound of 90s era SMT music. Nocturne was cool, but most things since have followed the same style.

youtube.com/watch?v=_MnauVq8pWM

What about this?
youtube.com/watch?v=8ONrHlg1He4

brrraaapp

RYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

DDS 2 is literally SMT but neutral only path.

Got both of them on my hacked 3ds.
Navigating areas is more confusing that I thought.

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I haven't gotten to the new endings myself yet, but there was literally no reason to pick law or chaos since they are both just shitty endings where humanity gets fucked by either demons or angels.
Neutral was clearly the only ending thwt was nit shit and ended on relatively good note making the whole alignment choice completely onesided.
I think 3 routes with no downsides and no clear best route is better than 3 routes where one route is clearly the best while the other 2 just downright suck.

...

The original megaten composer sadly died in a car crash, ever since then Meguro had to take over.

It's a real shame, though Meguro is real talented as well. I actually think Nocturne is his best work. People always rave about the battle themes, which are great, but it's more moody and atmospheric pieces are really beautiful.

dilate

The downside is that nothing changed, everything continues as it did.

Sometimes the dungeons wear me out and I cring when I have to map out a new area but it's honestly not that bad except for the warp puzzle.

I still prefer the 3D SMTs but Strange journey is neat and I can't exactly walk around with a PS2 everywhere

They were boring as fuck and I regret it.

>do you think it's better than mh4u? that and Majora's mask
Those are very different games my dude.
You can't really compare them.
It's worth a playthrough if you liked turnbased rpgs/dungeon crawlers though.

so a perfect game?

What do you mean

You can't have a perfect game, with a shitty story. Everyone fucking knows this. Is this your first day to Yea Forums?

In 2 it really is, in 1 I had trouble in the Sea of Flames dungeon and mostly because of Izanami and her bitching. God I love MT2 but fuck if it's a chore to play through at times
They're better than SMT1 and arguably SMT2 too

DDS is peak Meguro and this is not up for debate.
youtube.com/watch?v=ZPsU-ZMC6SA

The world goes back to how it was with a neutral ending, you just reset shit. You didn't really have any impact.

The thing I hate about IV is the encounters. If you miss the field attack, and the enemy atracks first, you have a decent chance of getting wiped in one turn. It encourages save scumming the shit out of the game.
If I dislike anything about smt, its that. Fail a negotiation and the enemy gets to go? Pray to your god that they dont have a weakness on you or you are done.

There's only a handful of good songs in both DDS1 & DDS2. Otherwise, a lot of the shit in there is pretty mediocre. Satan's boss theme in DDS2 is absolutely baller though. That and.. ANOTHER WOOOOORLD

This, but unironically. People who hate Japanese settings and teenage MCs miss half the point of SMT in favor of their hard-on for Amerocentrism.

>Missing field attacks

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Which is clearly better than just getting fucked in the ass by demons or angel for the rest of eternity.

ouch, game is really fun, not perfect, you ask too much not my friendo

I don't hate Japanese settings, but I do want SMT to expand its horizons. Hell, I'd be fine if a game took place in Kyoto, Osaka, or even the Expanse. The Expanse is such a slept on setting, and it has so much potential as it's the demon realm.

I wasn't being ironic at all my dude.
If I'm going to play weeb stuff, give me the whole package.

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God I fucking love nocturnes cover art

Depending on the weapon you equip, the animation is slow or lunges you forwarded. If you pick up an item and an enemy spawns and is sitting behind you, you have no chance of hitting it

>Ryan spouting his bullshit again
It's starting to get really old.

Shit taste.
youtube.com/watch?v=U29m-W0YyyA
youtube.com/watch?v=vNZcHrpX3eQ
youtube.com/watch?v=LJf7jnRQsdE
youtube.com/watch?v=hZJuNTYyeqQ
youtube.com/watch?v=BKJo4uC9o_o

So.. A handful of tracks? Those are like the only 5 out of about the 15 songs total that I remember.

Who the fuck is Ryan?

um, my name is david, you're hallucinating again user.

>Ryan
There's that name again, who the fuck is this and why does it keep popping up in these threads?

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It's a good game but i had way more fun playing IV.

no but its definitely one of the best

A shitposter from the schwarzvelt

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it's better than all the persona games, that I can assure you

DDS is far from the best.

It's slightly better than smt 2 and a third of a fourth worse than smt 4 and a half.

This.

>Atlus even tried to pull in the Persona audience with Apocalypse
No they didn't.

the apocalypse have been on smt games since smt 1 on snes, you fucking faggot

cringe

retarded tranny. back to resetera.

>Better than Persona 5
You're a fucking clown if you un ironically think a niche first person dungeon crawler with boring ass JRPG combat is better than P5. It's the title that revitalized the series, and breathed new life into Atlus as a company. This fucking game literally put them back on the map to the point where people are saying that Persona is the next Final Fantasy. Where are those comments for SMT, Ryan? I don't see shit except for
>Is IV the Dark Souls of Persona?
Keep fucking coping. Keep coming after a Persona with a victim complex. Keep being a seething child from discord. Keep it up Ryan. You're insane if you think Apocalypse didn't try to bring in the Persona audience. The game is too character driven for an SMT title.

The party following you around was clearly there for appealing to personafags.

A reminder that captain jack did nothing wrong.

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>t. got filtered by Eridanus

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>niche
Popularity!=Quality. That's your issue, my dude.

>You're a fucking clown if you un ironically think a niche first person dungeon crawler with boring ass JRPG combat is better than P5
Or someone with actual taste. You sound like the faggots that eat up new star wars and marvel films just because they're the big new thing.

just because P5 and persona as a whole are more popular than the SMT games doesn't mean they are inherently better

It certainly is the case. Otherwise, we'd have more budget to spend so SMT games can actually be good. These busted ass hallway simulators are boring as shit.
>"Waaah popularity on Yea Forums! I'm so wounded!"
You sound like a literal tranny. I always knew SMT a stood for Shin Megami Tranny.

SMT is tranny repellent to the highest degree, lad.

Shut the fuck up. If I see anyone defending SMT or any spinoff that isn't Persona and Raidou, I'm putting them down. Get back to discord, Ryan.

Why do people keep responding to bait?

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I miss Ryan

I like Persona though.

No it's not, it's just something IV already had with Walter, Jonathan and Isabeau and they took the opportunity to improve it. Having your party follow you around isn't some Persona exclusive thing anyway, the only numbered SMT where it doesn't happen is Nocturne. The characters feel like anime archetypes, but I attribute that more to the game being lazily written than anything else seeing as it feels more like a generic shounen a lot if the time rather than Persona specifically.

With popularity comes compromise. Depth is pushed aside in favour of chasing more newbies to the series. Budget doesn't necessarily improve a game either, look at shit like modern FF. It can often lead to dragged out development hell and feature bloat, unfocused direction and lack of priorities. I'd play soul hackers over P5 any day, and I'm not alone.

Cope, Ryan

DDS were both so fucking good. New title never ever it seems.

I play Persona for the visual novel elements. I only want to feel good with virtual friends in a comfortable atmosphere. SMT is unappealing to me as it is too hardcore with the RPG dungeon crawling, plus my beloved waifu Chie only exist within the Persona universe.

You're free to enjoy SMT, but I think I'll stick to Persona.

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>no video game discussion allowed
>shitposts only

Persona doesn't really feel like it has mechanics implemented for the sake of appealing to a wider audience, especially not P3. You could maybe point to it being easy, but it had also always been easy and a grueling difficulty wouldn't suit the games. I still think they could be balanced better, but I never played a Persona and found myself thinking they sacrificed something to appeal to a more casual audience. DDS is the only MegaTen I've played that made me feel anything resembling that.

>Chie
*chee

youtube.com/watch?v=9nGWEb5QxGA

Visuals novels a shit

youtube.com/watch?v=BGORm3P0F1w

>shit tier everything else
That OST is the best of any SMT game.

No
play 4 or 4A

IMO P3 was the turning point. Think of it like RE4. It wasn't bad in itself, but its success forever changed the direction of the series. Its main issues were lack of depth and slow pacing in the VN segments, and those problems were exaggerated going forward because they worked for the majority. P3 was definitely much tougher than 4/5, and was more in line with previous SMT entries.

based

That would be IV.

gotta love Ryan

Praise.. Ryan

That's honestly fine, I enjoy both for the reasons you described, although SMT isn't as hardcore as most people think
If you're even in the slighest bit interested in the darker tone of mainline SMT I would recommend DeSu.
It's another megaten spinoff that I think is a good bridge tonally between SMT and persona with DeSu1 being more on the SMT side and DeSu2 being more on the lighter more "persona side" of the spectrum.

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Will these threads ever go back to being the same?

:)

>DeSu 2
>Lighter
Bullshit. People die all the time.

please use spoiler tags in the future

No and it's going to get worse once SMTV is released.

I mean you can save all of your party members and who cares if a bunch of NPC dies.
It's darker than most persona games, but it is also pretty light for megaten standards

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SCP lab never recovered
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Baba is you never recovered
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Making threads on Yea Forums is a death wish for video game discussion

I don't agree. P3 did affect 4 and 5 of course, but I don't see it as a casualization or anything like that, people just liked P3 and so P4 and 5 were made in a similar vein, that's not a dumbing down of the series, it's just how sequels are, it's no different than SMT IV taking Press Turn from Nocturne. Things like the pacing feel like they were acknowledged and there was an attempt to fix it in 4 and 5, and I'd say 5 had the right idea with how to fix it but just messed up the execution.

I don't agree that P3 is difficult or like SMT. The games don't need to be like SMT anyway because they're not SMT, but 5 is more like SMT anyway even if it's only in superficial ways. The only difficult thing about P3 in my eyes is getting all the S. Links done in one playthrough, but that's something I'm glad they made easier because you can actually realistically figure out how to get them all done in one playthrough in 5 which I think is a good change and feels much more rewarding than having to either sacescum every single conversation to perfection in 3 or looking up a guide. People talk about the Sleeping Table and such, but I honestly don't even remember that fight because of how little trouble it gave me, and by the endgame I just stuck all the stat ups Mitsuru gave me on to Siegfried so Nyx was nothing. P4 and 5 are easy too, but I'd say P3 isn't too distant from them as far as combat and dungeon crawling difficulty goes.

I'll leave the threads when Ryan and his discord buddies stop bashing Persona, and specifically Persona 5. That's the only fucking reason I'm here.

Is it like the "Eric" boogeyman the XB2 fags fear about?

It's not a real post you dillbat

Those are all flavor of the month games, what did you expect?

I guess? Except, Eric is actually real. Ryan however, is seemingly fake.
>Months ago on /smtg/, some guy appeared and started calling people "Ryan"
>Some time after that, a group of people claimed to have come friend discord, with the "Ryan" spammer claiming to be from there as well
>People stopped replying to his bait less and less, so he fucked off to Yea Forums
>For the past couple weeks he's been running into Megaten threads, calling anyone who dislikes P5, Ryan, and attacking SMT in particular
He probably doesn't even exist. It's just an user with schizophrenia calling people that to shitpost.

I would expect discussion to die naturally once people get bored of it instead of dedicated shitposters spamming every thread

I like to believe that he lived.

We all know it's out of jealousy senpai. There's no point in persuading them. P5 was amazing and deserved the praise but it still had flaws. Cheers SMT V will be good P5 got me into the series.

Thanks for the info senpai. It really sounds like classic Yea Forums at work.

Eric is real though
Obviously 99% of the people that xenoblade fags call Eric are not actually him but still

He did, he shitposts in SMT threads now.

I know you're just going to go all
>nu-uh
if I keep posting more tracks so I'll only post a few more and leave it at that, but it's genuinely the best OST in the series, across two games no less. I reccomend you to play the games, they're easily the best SMT games on the PS2.
youtube.com/watch?v=zMLh5mf57CE
youtube.com/watch?v=BKJo4uC9o_o
youtube.com/watch?v=vlCHdONvgQk
youtube.com/watch?v=i4PCOAJ80lo
youtube.com/watch?v=MCYFnt5c6nc
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The funny thing about this, is that even if he doesn't exist, people are going to adopt his mantle and go around shitposting out of boredom. It's a lose lose situation.

thanks bro

I'm not though, user. I just genuinely only liked a handful of the songs on the DDS OST. Maybe I need to sit down and listen to them again? It's been a long ass time since I've played the games, and my primary focus was on the story. I kind of zoned out on the music.

That's Yea Forums.

>they're easily the best SMT games on the PS2.
They do have great OSTs, but that's a bit much. They're easily my least liked PS2 MegaTen games personally.

I really enjoyed Nocturne but found IV mediocre as fuck. Will I enjoy Strange Journey?

Yeah. I get the impression that you enjoyed the magical setting of Nocturne a lot. If that's the case, you'll probably have fun with SJ.

Maybe
It's not very similar to 4 but it did introduce some of the shit 4 gets a lot of flak for (MP for phys skills, having way more talking/cutscenes than usual)

Does every jrpg on this board have their own Barry or something?
Jesus fucking christ.

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Shortly before the Ryanposting began there was a guy going into every SMT thread and jumping at every opportunity to shit on P5 and he would just say something along the line of "You ruined megaten P5babby" to anyone who disagreed with him, while also putting heaps of praise on P3, and I believe it was just one guy given the typing style even though you can see plenty of people with similar opinions.

I think that's who Ryan is supposed to be given how obnoxious he was, bit I imagine the Ryanposter is just the same guy shitposting on both sides considering all posts involved seem too malicious to be genuine.

I personally enjoyed DDS because of its setting. My only issue, was that you couldn't explore the giant landscapes in depth. They all looked incredible. I'm one of those people that enjoys the setting and exploration factor, first and foremost.

Wait, I'm mixed up now, is Barry the one who likes FFXV or is that Eric? I forgot Barry was even a thing.

This is the price to pay for having quality SMT threads in the past few weeks, I guess.

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That nigger only started last week, le ryan fag was shitting up /smtg/ for months

It's any game which keeps getting threads

Barry is the guy who loves FF XV to an unhealthy degree.
Never heard of Eric before.
I wouldn't be surprised 8f they were all the same person though.

Yeah, but there's little urgeny or weight behind those deaths. In DeSu 1 Midori and Keisuke's presumed deaths have a lot of weight because of the context of how they die and how they're already stablished characters. Not to mention how dire the situation is presented for the characters.

For the JPs almost every form of avoidable death is coated in a funny anime joke, for instance Kama's shenanigans with the belly button, Trumpeteer's laptop assault, Metal Gear Io, and Daichi making Truck-kun cosplay.

I have noticed that JRPG's in particular tend to have their own boogeyman.
>FF/KH = Barry
>Xenoblade = Eric and Xfag
>Megaten = Ryan (Will probably die off eventually if people stop replying to his bait)
I think the most autistic of the bunch is Barry. Imagine getting banned 15 times in the same fucking thread for shitposting. When you learn how to ban evade, I guess you lose control.

Barry also took to starting shit in TWEWY threads for a while but then he eventually stopped.

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Have sex, son of man.

I can't tell who is who anymore, honestly. Although I do recall seeing a lot of posts calling people "P5babbies", while simultaneously saying P3 is incredible and vice versa. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bored P4fag as that's seemingly the only game that doesn't get bashed to death lately.

strange journey is low tier and that's being generous.
>shit ost, every track sounds the same
>literal material grinding in a fucking smt game
>nonstop fetch quests just to keep up with the competition
>alignment system doesn't give added benefits for playing neutral
>demon co-op system adds hardly any damage and is unsatisfying as FUCK
>password system ensures that any retard who gets stuck can just grind then look up demons online and buy them
>shit character writing (jiminez goes from "FUCK DEMONS" to "FUCK YEAH DEMONS" in the span of two minutes, zelenin isn't even a character, neither is gore)
>recycles the plot of SMT1 but worse
>doesn't do anything interesting with the setting, basically just wacky skins for dungeon walls but nothing substantial
>shitty dungeon design uses "MUH WARP TRAPS" in place of actual interesting exploration
i could go on, but i won't. it's a solid 5/10. people who have never played SMT will scream about how good it is, longtime fans won't be impressed.

Are you trying to oversaturate the meme and make it stale before it begins? That doesn't work anymore, Yea Forums loves stale memes

Like how so? Gameplay is better than Nocturne, in my opinion, while also retaining press turn. Story is very consistent and cohesive filled with twists, turns most of which has proper foreshadowing if you care to look into it. The story takes itself seriously as well. The only complaint I might have is that both games are kinda short each on their own.

DeSu 1's deaths had more weight for me because of how much the characters were established in the short period of time you had contact with them. I wasn't depressed or anything, but I was like "damn, word?" when Keisuke got smoked by Kaido.

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Oh are we talking about DeSu?
>1
>oh fuck what's going on
>this mystery is fuckin crazy and people are forming squads and killing each other what the fuck this rules
>2
>WE'RE THE GOVERNMENT, THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING
no idea how anyone sat thru that mess honestly

> """"""""Japnese Humor """" """"""

You gotta be joking. I mean honestly he did us a favor but it got to the point where he just didn't ever shut up and beat a dead horse.

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My issues with them boiled down to
>Grinding Karma skills was a chore, and utterly boring
>Karma skills cost a lot of fucking money later in the game
>Enemy encounter rates are absurd if you're unlucky with RNG
>Stories are kind of short unless you play both, back to back
>Story in general wasn't complete since it didn't cover everything from the DDS novels
>Dungeons felt like lifeless hallways, although the puzzles and settings were great
That's my issue, anyway. Otherwise I liked the setting, the music, the story, and the characters. As far as being a Hinduism based spinoff, it was based.

>over 650 results on fireden

I want to buy this right now on 3DS
Is REDUX the one I should buy?

no wait sorry i HAVE to fucking tag this on because it's the only thing that is objectively, truly unforgivable in a jrpg:
>have to fight the enemy several times before you can even tell what it is

What a legend.

Yes.

I just want to say you're pretty right on most of those claims, maybe not all of them, but even despite me sorta liking the game there's so much wrong with it that makes me like it so much less than so many other games in the series.

Plot progression was really awful and repetitive too.

Oh that is Eric?

>Recycles the plot of SMT 1
Bullshit. Explanation please. No cookie cutter shit, either.
Literally just pirate the game. Hacking your 3DS is piss easy.

You only need to fight once to see them, nonetheless it's still annoying because you want to recruit enemies in SMT and SJ forces you to kill them at least once before you can even try

>I'm too stupid to hack my 3ds, I'm probably going to brick it
>Uhh, I'm gonna support the developers so they make more of the games I like you stupid piratefag

Which excuse is he going to use?

You know that Japanese Humor thread that is always being posted, that was because of Eric. He's a super anti-Nintendo Sony fan who call the switch the Shitch. He no longer post that WEBM, but other people do and keep shitposting in honor just because they think it's funny that one guy spam it and want to shitpost until the thread die. If you every go into a Japanese console sales thread, he will be there. Go into a "Sony censor a game" thread, he will be there. He's basically the ACfag for Nintendo threads.

Probably t. Brick.

>Xenoblade = Eric and Xfag
Xfag is just Eric attempting to cause a schism.

>He's a super anti-Nintendo Sony fan who call the switch the Shitch
that's standard practice, eric has some paragraph long nickname that's barely readable, it's absurd

Yes remember him? Honestly how can you when how Ryan is becoming the next boogeyman.

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>ACfag
I never understood what his issue was. What does he do again?

>Never heard of Eric before.
How? He and his cohorts have been behind most of the Nintendo shitposting in the last five or so years.

I love the Demonica Girls!

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Guys I came here to discuss Megaten. Not some flavor of the year boogeyman and their boyfriends.

>mfw my name is ryan
guys this isn't fair

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>What does he do again?
Post lewd images in Metroid and occasionally Xenoblade threads and then complain that those fanbases only care about lewd characters using his own posts as evidence.
He's the one who started the whole remodelling her shithole thing.

He's also the guy who constantly tries to call games like botw and Bloodborne movie games.

He is the ultimate idiot on this board. If there is a Metroid thread, prepare to cry when you enter it. He believe that everyone love Metroid Other M, he hate cutscenes and call any games that have them "Movie Game", he want to replace Samus with a robot, and he think anything that have a sex appeal is porn, yes, if he see an attracted women, EVEN WITH FULL CLOTHES ON, it's consider porn. He's insane and will come up with lies.

I know the """"japanese humor""""" threads, but I never played XBC2 so I neber bothered to enter those threads so I didn't know there was a name attached to that shitpost.
I don't bother with console war bait threads either

>game has cutscene = movie
>game has graphics = movie
>game has music = movie
>game has text = movie
>all while being a fanboy of a series with all of these things
>all while never playing games and just watches them on youtube
>also derails every metroid thread by pretending that Yea Forums loves other m and fights imaginary boogeymen who are defending it

huh. She didn't come off as cute in the original DS version

>Bloodborne
>movie game
Fucking how?

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We got ourselves a badass over hear. Sit tight sweety the big fags are talking.

Start a thread with Soul Hackers, that should work.

I prefer Nocturne's gameplay, the fun in Nocturne to me was in preparing a team for a battle that perfectly countered the encounter. It's really satisfying to completely destroy a boss who could beat you on one or two turns prior and how much Nocturne rewards and punishes you goes hand in hand with that, but while DDS still has press turn, without the team building of Nocturne the combat becomes a lot less interesting. I wasn't too engaged by the story, the only character I cared about in the slightest was Gale, and while it had some cool twists, it wasn't enough to grip me

In general, the games just feel tame to me. There's nothing aside from Meguro's music and Kaneko's designs that really jumped out at me and made it memorable. They just felt like very standard JRPGs to me in a way that other MegaTen games, even ones that I think aren't as well made as DDS, aren't, and those unquities that DDS feels lacking in just made it a forgettable time for me. I will say though, the Hindu theming and the first game's setting are both cool. Also I hate DDS1's sewers and The Sun in DDS2.

Damn. All this time, I've been wondering where the movie meme came from. It's a good thing I don't step in metroid threads. I've been pretty distant from Xeno threads too lately, and probably will be until the next game releases. JRPG threads kind of overstay their welcome and end up getting shitposted to death.

At least you know now user. Also keep staying away from it user unless you want to experience turbo cringe.

Oof

cutscenes

It has cutscenes

XC2 is a good game, all things considered. At least I enjoyed the exploration and gameplay. Story eeeeeeeeh, kind of sucks until Chapter 6. Also, fuck that ending. Torna is a better experience.

Ah , so the intended way to play right?

It's complicated and usually comes out of him twisting words.
So we'll be in a botw thread, he'll come in saying it's a movie game, people say it isn't, then he'll bring up Bloodborne and how Nintendofags said it was with his proof being a thread where no one made such a claim.

Didn't happen to Labyrnth of refrain. It just came and left. God I wish more JRPGs did that.

Reminder that Doug plays a modded version of Super Metroid that cuts out the opening and ending cutscenes.

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Strange Journey threads have been corrupted by idiots nowadays.
Hell every thread usually has one retard going off about how SJ is mainline.

The writing and cutscenes made me drop it entirely but that's just me.

But all of those cutscenes combined are like 20 minutes at most. And they’re all spread out throughout the game. Is he that retarded?

He didn't come up with that meme, just spam it.

Notice how there's no shitposting but the derailing is done by autistic retards who infodump a bunch of shit nobody needs.
>Who's Ryan
>Who are other shitposters?

See, that was an actual flavour of the month. But SCP lab was still active and healthy while shitposters started spamming the threads and mods forced it to /vg/

What is it about Yea Forums that urges people to force these boogeymen so hard to fuck with people? I thought this would be the last series to get attacked by this kind of shit.

Well, you will have to give it more time, since atlus hasn't released a good looking game that had good amount of exploration

>I've been wondering where the movie meme came from.
The "meme" came from the increasing subset of video games that have been focusing on cutscenes, story and graphics over gameplay since TLoU was released.
ACfag on the other hand just calls anything with any amount of cutscenes a movie.

Maybe read the thread from the top again
le ryanfag already derailed the thread so everyone else gave up and now this is meta

Look who wants attention. The big fags are talking now.

Yeah, but it has cutscenes which are garbage that should have been left on the cutting room floor. That the developers chose to waste their time and your time by putting them in the game to begin with is proof that it's a shit movie game.

>What is it about Yea Forums that urges people to force these boogeymen
The fact that these boogeymen exist, spread and ruin threads.

I thought Strange Journey was mainline?

Mostly autism and bitch babies.

>I thought this would be the last series to get attacked by this kind of shit.
All you need is a lot of threads happening often and you get shit up. Shitposters do not play or care about video games.

maybe ignore the shitposters and talk about the game? Just a thought.

Yeah fags don't know how to ignore shit. Why do you fucks always take the bait?

Don't open that can of worms.
Trust me. We have enough retards here already.

Literally read the thread, again. He's been here this whole time.

There's so many God damn spinoffs I didn't even think there was a mainline anymore.

Oh cool. Too bad it's one shit poster and like 10-20 of you talking about said shitposter.

Nah, Kaneko wanted it to be but Eiji bitch slapped him back in line.

No. Go cry somewhere else or stay SEETHING.

Yeah see ya next SMT thread on Yea Forums where your short attention span decides to detail the thread again with MUH SHITPOSTERS

The games that don't get this treatment are the ones that barely anybody has played so nobody gives enough of a shit to shitpost about them, so if you want to avoid it go play and talk about L.O.L. Lack of Love, Ninja Baseball Bat Man and Seaman 2.

Seriously though why so many spinoffs?

It's official. I'd like to announce that Megaten threads are now and forever more, Ryan time. At least he isn't fucking up /smtg/ or /pg/ though

Why would you say that? Do you know what you fucking done, you retard.

Now look what you did. You're giving him ideas.

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lol relax sometimes these things are ok

Variety is the spice of life, user. I’m actually impressed that Atlus have been able to pump out this many spinoffs and do a pretty good job with them for the most part.

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This is Ryan isn't it?

He stopped shitposting on the SMT General? I haven't been there in weeks.

why not senpai

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Megaten is a series with a multiverse, what better way is there to represent that?

Okay so who is this Ryan character?

Then how come one of them became so God damn successful? We're they just taking shots in the dark?

Atlus stopped pumping out proper spin offs, years ago. I feel like most of this came from them trying to establish Atlus as a company by pushing as many games as possible with the assets they had. Now that Persona is popular, they don't need to do that anymore. The only spinoffs we do get anymore are retarded dancing games.

Boku.

*Were

Starting at this point. Everyone shut the fuck up about Ryan. He does not exist. Ignore any posts with Ryan in them after this post.

>t. Ryan

>We're they just taking shots in the dark?
Unironically yes in the case of the PS2 spinoffs

No u. We aren't your personal army faggot.

Angel May Cry soon..

>Boku
That doesn't answer the question.

Least some of the songs are good and dlc recognition. That's something...r-r-right?

>We're they just taking shots in the dark?
Pretty much, Nocturne was flopping so they needed to recoup with some asset flips.

You're my answer.

A-user...

>I feel like most of this came from them trying to establish Atlus as a company
They were a well established company and trusted publisher by that point.

R-Ryan-Sama...

I could have sworn they were downright bankrupt, or very close to it around that time.

Ooooooohhhhh RYAN Oooooooh RYAAAN~

They got Persona now so that ain't the case anymore cheif

I knew this shit would happen when SMT threads started being made excessively. Too much of a good thing can be bad for you. I don't expect shit to be any better when SMTV releases. I've seen too many comments on this board saying, "I can't wait for the game to be released!". Everybody and their brother is going to be here shitposting, and I'm not looking forward to it.

You are wrong. It's just that Nocturne was unprofitable and they were kind of trying to recuperate the losses with DDS/Raidou/P3-4. They had already made many spinoff series before this like Majin Tensei and Devil Summoner, and they made more afterwards like Devil Survivor, as well as having other franchises like Etrian Odyssey and Trauma Center and publishing games like Disgaea and Demon's Souls

It is, this was settled long ago and I don't know why people can't accept it.

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Strange Journey is Halo Reach
SMT: IV & IVA are Halo 2 & 3

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I don't think so, unless nocturne did that much of a number on them.

It's a shame the only games we get nowadays are either the next main line entry, or the next Persona game. Anything else is probably a waste to make, or even conceive since they know how niche the series is. Before someone says Persona isn't niche, it's still in that territory. There are people who weren't even aware of Persona until Joker was revealed for Smash.

Also, Nocturne is DOG SHIT

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And here he is.

10x better than 4

Does anyone have better recommendations for getting into the series?

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yes

It basically went mainstream when it got it's own fucking funko pop figures.

Genuinely Persona's fault. Atlus only keeps mainline going because "muh old series with a legacy" really. Series like Raidou will never see another since they can just shit out a dancing game for a fraction of the budget and make like three times the profit that a new Raidou or such would make.

Who? Someone who has the image that shuts down this retarded debate before it even starts?

>thought it was going to be another christfag going full knuckledragger after he caught the punch
>pleasently surprised when he went with the point
>that face tho

Just start from 4
why would anyone want that

But muh quote

A RIVER IN A DRY LAAAND
THE LAST ACE IN A LOST HAAAND

At the end of the day what's really important is accepting that mainline is the best series and that Nocturne and Strange Journey were the peak of megaten.

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This sounds like a persona-only fag trying to make a guide for SMT.

hee and hopilled

>it all went downhill when Kaneko took a backseat
really makes you think...

>the chad SMT HERO
>the virgin persona protag

I'm assuming you mean SMT 4 and not P4

*was

We gotta face the music user. We can't ignore it forever.

Maybe the real mainline was the friends we made then killed after our alignments disagreed along the way.

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Its always been downhill. We haven't had an entry break a million yet for mainline SMT. It doesn't matter if Kaneko is here or not, the series is still niche.

Facing the music is realizing that even though it was in development for a decade Persona 5 was a mediocre game that was too safe it it's story and gameplay.

Isn't IV the best selling game in the mainline? I was talking in terms of quality anyway.

Yes

>muh sales
cringe

But he took a back seat for SJ and it was great.

He didn't though

>Isn't IV the best selling game in the mainline?
Yeah but it didn't break 1m.
Not that it should, the last thing we need is a persona repeat.

I'm probably the only user who actually liked apocalypse. My only problem was that it was a character based story with SMT pacing (lightning fast pacing where there's no fucking time to breathe.) I wish I got to know more about the cast instead of delegating them to anime tropes because you don't know too much about them.

And look how it blew it. Tell me why the Fuck it blew up so hard then?! Concerts, spinoffs, crossovers, manga, anime, movies, theater plays that nobody cares about, and a lot of merch. I've just accepted it at this point.

It's almost ironic really. Kaneko took a back seat with SMTIV since he wanted to new team to not come to rely on his input too much. Had they actually made him the word of god I'm a hundred percent sure IV and IV:A wpuld have been far better.

As sad as it is Kaneko is the only person who really knows what he's doing. He should just take over entirely, even if it meant the series dies with him then at least we would still be getting games of the quality of Nocturne and Strange Journey.

Honestly I used to think Nocturne and Strange Journey were good games but as I played more of the series I really did realize that they were the most fleshed out and fully developed games in the series. Strange Journey is hands-down my favorite just because it feels like a complete game.

He was just there for a few designs and didn't really have much else to do with the creation of the game.

That's his usual job. He didn't do that for IV

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Why in the fuck would anyone recommend P3 first? Holy shit

You say this like sales aren't important. Do you expect SMT to survive with mediocre sales forever? If this were any other company, SMT would have been locked in a basement by now.

Here's the funniest shit about this whole thing. You will have at least one insane shitposter in almost all JRPG thread, but in Fire Emblem, everyone is the shitposter. Even in /vg/ the mods will only watch that thread. I have seen people post porn in the persona general and will not be deleted, but if it's in the FE one, that thing is gone.

It's not a bad place to start. My first SMT game was P3P and then Devil Survivor to Strange Journey. In all honesty though, I think digital devil saga is the best place to start.

Then he didn't do anything to make the game good.

Are you really trying to show a budget game outdated visually and gameplay wise (by 2006 standards!, imagine now) as a good introduction in 2019?
Thats 15 years of difference

Japan genuinely has the worst fucking taste. If you think westerners were drones with stuff like marvel then you haven't seen shit. I remember in 2017 Persona 5 and Nier: Automata were already being voted as the greatest games ever made in polls. They literally eat up shit like no one else, maybe on the Chinese are worse. It's no wonder why gacha took over there.
They genuinely are. Neither is perfect of course but they genuinely are the two games that feel the most complete and fulfilled in terms of what they set out to do. It's sad but with spinoffs like Raidou you can feel how things weren't exactly perfect in development. Raidou 1 is the perfect example, it's a fantastic idea and the foundation is there but the actual game feels half baked.
Kaneko was very active for SJ's development, he focused less on new art and actual put more time into the story and such unlike with the other games.

But it's not any other company user.
And yes I do expect it to survive so long as it's profitable. Sales number truly aren't important: profitability is. You already know this though, seeing as you celebrate P5 selling 2 million as if it's the second coming, while Anthem selling 5 million is the blunder of the century

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DDS plays fine, what the fuck are you talking about? 2006 is barely that old. DO you not play nes games and such just because they're old?

Fire Emblem is literally a shitposting haven. All the oldfags have all but disappeared. The Fatesawakening crew was far too cancerous to deal with.

>Are you really trying to show a budget game outdated visually and gameplay wise (by 2006 standards!, imagine now) as a good introduction in 2019?
>Thats 15 years of difference

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Anyone down to create some rivers in the desert

Yes. If you're getting into a series it's best to play a game that's close to the jank it had back then but enough QoL things so that new players can handle it. It makes going to the other games much easier. If you go for Persona 5 first, you're going to end up with a ton of people who will find it hard to go backwards.

DDS's also has the mood and atmosphere of the traditional SMT games and helps set people right in. It's story is also standalone so you won't feel like your missing anything if you were to play the other games.

>he focused less on new art and actual put more time into the story and such unlike with the other games.
What? No he didn't, that was Yamai, Watanabe and someone who's name escapes me. Kaneko was basically just on art.

Give me a Life Stone.

[Cheat]

You think everything we make here is any better when all of it is mostly just a SJW checklist? Who's to even say who has shot taste anymore. Is BOTW better then Dark Souls I don't Fucking know anymore!?

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Never played SMT and I know they're not my kind of game but this art and armor is badass
That is all

>best SMT game
>with worst combat and OST in the series

If only you find a strange land.

>dotard is an actual word and not just a meme for fags who play dota

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What was the best sword and why was it the chainsaw?

Yeah, like anti-SJkun. You

>not Hinokagutsuchi

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The ost is mediocre but the combat is good

The new content better than the old content, they should have just scrapped shitty old SJ and made Redux in the first place

>but 5 is more like SMT anyway even if it's only in superficial ways
When will P5babbies stop believing this meme

I think the ost did a good job of setting up an atmosphere of a hopeless mission, other than a few bland map songs it was pretty good.

I'm at the 2nd Zone of Strange Journey Redux and unlocked the Womb of Grief

How do alignments work in regards to me?

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Not even close, It can be the best SMT in nintendo DS but that's it, I still prefer DS gameplay.

You can have atomshpere and not have bunch of shitty songs that are just jacks screaming he hoo

This. P3 was the last good Persona. 4 and 5 are gutter trash made for shit-eating normalfags

I totally agree with you with most, but I still enjoyed it.
For me, it was exploring the areas, the overall theme and story.
The areas were hit or miss, I personally liked the first one, then the rest were okay.
Yeah the fusion and combat were both mediocre compared to other SMTs.
At least it was a different formula, kept me entertained.

Which SMT would you consider high tier?

Could listen to this for hours. Love Meguro's work

I want an SMT horror game. Something where you're stuck in a shelter during a DB Exam and you have to find a way to revive your girlfriend after she gets raped and mauled by the demons in the shelter.

>demon co-op system adds hardly any damage and is unsatisfying as FUCK
Still better than Press turn

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I won't disagree with that.

It's true. Press turn is casualized as fuck and just standard turn based combat but dumb downed and you get your dick sucked for doing basic actions you are supposed to be doing. And then you have One More which is a casualized version of it, even fucking then you have P5 which is a even more casualized version of One More. How fucking low can they go now with this system?

I was talking about P3 user , where the fuck did you got the DDS part from? It would have been 2004 then
>2006 is barely that old.
Suuuuure
You also got the DDS part out of a little confusion
> you're going to end up with a ton of people who will find it hard to go backwards.
If that is what happens then maybe said game wasnt worth playing in the first place?

Lmao. Yikes. You are really a zoomer.

The only good Megami Tensei games are on PS2 and PS4. Nintendo Megami Tensei games have always been 3rd rate phone game-tier trash.

>Lmao
>Yikes
>Proceeds to call me a zoomer
Something just isn't adding up here

Its a shame that console autists don't even play the games that they talk about.

There are no MT games on the PS4

I emulated the games for the other consoles and they were trash. You have to be joking if anyone compares the phone game wobbly demon sprite battles to true Megami Tensei like Nocturne, DDS, Raidou, and Persona.

Agreed, I can't name a single game with an OST as fittingly bleak as SJs. It conveys so well what an awful place they're journeying through.

There's no need to reply with that pointless comment you fucking retard

(You)

Dont pretend to be me fool

>Nocturne
>the best
It really doesn't excel in any category except the aesthetic one. Probably the best all-around alongside SJ, though.
>DDS
>SMT
Nice bait, cocksucker

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It's my favorite but I understand it's a very niche SMT game and it's far from flawless. Material grinding was a retarded idea and the password system breaks the game for a small macca price. Also I think SJR Jimmenz and Zelena face turn too fucking fast, I understand SMT characters are more about what they believe/represent rather then who they are but Christ one conversation with Alex and all the bad is gone from their side of things. Not saying it can't be done but it was way too sudden.

Certainly not "shit", then

TAKE THAT YOU WOOD BITCH

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GOD, I fucking hate this shitty new art so much.

>these replies
Fucking god damn cancer teenagers and their groundhog day horse shit day in day out how is your noggin not filled with mushy jello goo at this point

AND HAVE SOME MORE

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>Law is canon
Oh no

This

Imagine Chiaki jerking you off with her right arm

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This guy is right. Seeing that same shitty meme where people emulate each other's replies like this is some meme groupchat is obnoxious

Chiaki is fucking hot bros

How is it that mainline SMT is actually the worst MegaTen series? Nocturne is the only one that can be considered decent. Devil Summoner, Devil Survivor, Digital Devil Saga, and Megami Ibunroku Persona are all way better.

>tfw no WORLD OF STRgf

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She has, actually.

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So basically.. You just want to see a fully 3D game, yes? You'll probably end up contradicting your statement when V releases.

#FE combat is better than press turn. Demon coop is bareboned in comparison.

>Small Macca Price
Bruh.. Those demons cost hundreds of thousands of Macca if you created them properly. Well, password generator anyway.

Sauce?

If SMTV is properly 3D with 3D enemies and a good combat system like Nocturne and if the switch can run it then yes it will be the second good game in the Shin Megami Tensei series. As far as I can tell it's vaporware.

sauce pls

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I don't even think console warriors play, or care about the games they like to gloat about. If you truly cared about the series, posts like this wouldn't even exist. Nocturne is far from anything at being the best. Gameplay? Nope. Characters? Nah. Music? Good, but not some of the best in the series. Setting and atmosphere? I'll give you that one. Why bother.

>As far as I can tell it's vaporware
Then you've never seen vaporware before. Devs are constantly talking about SMT V.

Sauce. Now

A large price in the short run but a small price in the long run when it breaks the god damn game. And it's also based off what demon and their level. The abilities don't actually add that much believe it or not (cept victory cry that shot racks up the price like mad). Make a Jack Frost with game breaking abilities? Like 10-20k at most which even in the early game isn't too hard to come by.

>As far as I can tell, it's vapor wave.
You've clearly never been around here for long then. Altus does this all the time with their games. Announcements followed by long droughts of no information. The same thing just occurred for Persona 5, but yet people act surprised that SMTV is being hidden.
>"Coming Winter 2014!"
Hmm.. As for the rest of your comment though, being fully 3D doesn't make a game "good". You tried, though.

>tfw I like SMT regardless and don’t care about retarded console wars
Feels good, man.

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It is

Malcom in the middle

They were releasing spinoffs for Persona every year during the P5 waiting period, we knew they had it coming. With SMT they haven't released anything since SJR 2 years ago.

I think most of the Macca goes into giving the demons proper stats. The abilities and level don't really mean much.

SJR released in 2018, user. Since then there's been multiple development updates from the director. So again, you clearly aren't aware of what Vaporwave truly is. Regardless, those were spinoffs for Persona 4. That had nothing to do with P5, whatsoever. I don't even see where you're going with this at this point, so I'll see you later.

I know it does DeSu bro.

for anyone saying it's not, what is? i've only played the persona series and wanna start smt. a lot of people told me to start with strange journey.

not op by the way just a concerned citizen

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Not him but SJR released in in 2017 in Japan. In other words development was finished on it in 2017. 2018 was just for western translation.

In the same time period:
They released one dancing game and PQ2.
They released IVA, #FE, DSJ and Sinchronisity.

The japanese release as 2017 which is all that matters, the time they take to make games isn't reliant on AtlusUSA's localization of it a year later.
The point is that the company still clearly cared about Persona a lot at that point and they hadn't given up on it. It's been radio silence for anything SMT for 2 years now.

Play either IV, or SJ.

Don't listen to those retards. Start with Digital Devil Saga or Nocturne depending on whether you like the character story aspects of Persona more or the gameplay of it more. Also play Persona 1 and 2 if you haven't.

Nocturne if you want something a bit edgier and atmospheric, IV if you want something a bit more digestable and simple.

Play the games blind, they are best enjoyed that way.

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>Nocturne
>Gameplay aspects of Persona
Are you retarded?

>Sinchronisity
Atlus wasn't involved with the development of Synchronicity Prologue at all.

If you liked the gameplay of Persona the most play Nocturne. If you liked the story and characters part the most your play DDS. Simple as that. I know you're about to sperg about muh gameplay not being the same because every SMT shitter I run into seethes about Persona gameplay unprompted.

So what? Dx2 is the most SMT project gameplay wise and it wasn't developed by Atlus either.

while not mainline SMT, if you only played Persona I'd start with DeSu 1 and 2, then move to DDS1+2, then whatever you want.

>He says while sperging
Well alright then. Nocturne doesn't even remotely have the same gameplay as any of the new generation Persona games. Especially not 3.

You said in
>They released IVA, #FE, DSJ and Sinchronisity
But they didn't release SP since tbey didn't develope it.

These are terribly outdated games, user. Start with 3ds titles.

Well yeah, Persona's gameplay isn't exactly it's strong suit. It's pretty watered down, actually. No clue why you're complaining about "SMT shitters" in an SMT thread either, but you do you retard.

>It's pretty watered down,
How so?
P5 is just Nocturne but better combat wise

P5 is fucking trash. Don't even think of comparing it to Nocturne dipshit

So you automatically assumed that Atlus gave up on SMT because you haven't heard anything in awhile, or bothered to look up information? I'm sorry, but that's not how it works, and again it seems like you aren't very familiar with the series. There's been plenty of development updates since then, but I doubt you've read them.

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>These are terribly outdated games
Imagine actually being this retarded.

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The 3DS games are almost as dated as SMT I, II and If. PS2 era MegaTen is peak and way better than 3DS garbage.

Nocturne's gameplay is nothing like P5, period. The overall gameplay system is entirely different. Not sure where you were going with this or why you even compared the two, but it's questionable.

Nocturne is a bad starting game but if you think it's because the game is outdated you're a retarded zoomer who probably started with apoc or the nu personas

P5 >>>>>>>>> Nocturne
Only contrarian faggots will disagree.

The setting and atmosphere are what make Nocturne great, I agree it's not the best SMT, I don't get why it's loved so much. I hated the fusion skill system. characters story and everything was bland. But the press turn was better than demon coop, I did enjoy it being 3D tho. And some music tracks are really good. The true demon ending, battling the fiends and the Amala Network is what I loved most about this game.

No SMT game is perfect, Strange Journey has great setting and story, the exploration was fun too, the rest was okay. the grind for materials is a chore. Felt like Doom guy SMT. I still haven't finished but going for the neutral ending.

Overall I liked SMTIV the most, Modern tokyo was kino, the fusion is great, the battle system is okay, worse than Nocturne but still better than demon coop. The music is amazing. For me, the sidequests weren't a chore. I still prefer random encounters, it has some really good voice acting. The story was okay, just get the neutral ending to enjoy it at its fullest. I just liked chilling in tokyo and fusion demons.

Apocalypse fixed the battle system and gameplay, made it fucking good, but everything else was inferior than IV, It felt like a nice remix and I still had fun. that final dungeon was a chore.

Aside from mainline my favorite one is Devil Survivor: O. The endings are the best in the series. The gameplay is a different formula but a lot of fun. the fusing is also good. I loved the story and some characters.
Desu2 has more content and improved gameplay, kinda interesting but the theme and story in Desu1 were better.

New Law Ending is definitely not idealized though? It turns humans docile, leaving them vulnerable to outside threats, the game points to other forces interfering in the world as a possible drawback, but even animals could pose a threat to humanity in that state.

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The fuck are you on about? Baton pass is nothing like press turn and P5 negotiations are nothing like Nocturnes.

P5 is shit and one of the worst games ever made

Yeah Nocturne is actually good

>Mindless console warrior at it again
Why do you even bother? You're only shitting up the place. The games excel at different things. I doubt you even have an explanation for your argument either.

Those two games couldn't be further apart in tone, story, music, and their game play is extraordinarily different outside of being turn based did you fucking hit your head before writing this post?

If you haven't notice anyone who tries to trash Redux actually hasn't played it

Seething Nocturnebabby

Not him but at that point you are just being an edgy contrarian. I agree Noctutne>P5 but saying P5 is even the worst Meganten game let alone worst of all time is just fucking retarded dude.

Seek help you delusional P5babby. Your game is trash and killed MegaTen.

>play 3ds smt game
>wobbly persona sprites in shitty first person battles with little to no animation and no budget ]
>play ps2 smt game
>they actually bothered to visually show you what's going on and have good battle systems
What would someone even gain for bragging about PS2 games?

It is. Nothing about the game is good. The story is shit, the gameplay is fucking trash and makes Idea Factory games look good, the music is ear bleeding bad. There's nothing good about that piece of shit

Or maybe they're just criticising it.

Redux is good as a game, the new story content feels half assed though. This happens with every Atlus port/remake, adding new story content to an existing game rarely works out well.

Imagine seething this hard about Persona 5, the JRPG of the generation because no one gives two shits about Nocturne and mainline SMT, not even Atlus anymore.

I don't dislike Persona 5, but honestly outside of the flashy visuals that make zoomers foam at the mouth, the updated graphics, HD demon models, and soundtrack, I found it rather boring. It's like Hashino took plot elements from Persona 2, and made a shittier story. The dungeons definitely aren't better than Nocturne. All of them are piss easy in terms of puzzle usage, and mindless to exploit too because of how busted the stealth mechanic is so long as you're holding a wall. The gameplay is mind numbingly easy because of Baton Passing and the "One More" system. I hope Royal fixes the game, but it's really not as amazing as people hype it up to be. I'd much rather play the previous entries.

Start with SMT IV, it is the better new friendly to get into. Yes, people shit on it because it has options to casualize it, but myself I just don't use them.
Smt iv and nocturne are just different styles.

Overall I prefer P5 but not really comparable with Nocturne.

Both are different experiences and styles. I like both when done well.

Daily reminder console war fags are just poor fags who aren't working adults and can't afford to have different game consoles because their mommy had them on a strict monthly allowance.

Why do you retards keep replying to him? He makes it obvious as fuck, are you too retarded to see that?

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you're not the boss of me now

They aren't. The new story content is better than the shitty old story they had before. You can actually say anything about bad it in detail sixne you haven't touched it

Imagine liking a bad game like P5

>My 3D game so flashy, it's incredible
>Baaaw a handheld with less power and sprites, it's shit
This is quite literally your argument, and you sound like a mouth breathing ape. For a fact, the combat has been the best it's ever been in Apocalypse, a 3DS title. Say what you will about the graphics, but damn you're retarded.

This thread has been rather shitty anyway, so at this point it doesn't matter much. A console warrior, on top of being a Persoyboy. It's incredible.

>Alex is pointless as fuck,
No she's not, she makes Jimemez and Zelenin into good characters and not poorly written retards
>the new endings are too idealized instead of having faults to each
Did you even play it? Both Law and Chaos have pros and cons instead of just being bad.
>the characterization of Jimemez and Zelenin is sort of ruined
Being actually well written this time around is bad characterization?

>"Muh Persona victim complex! Stop beating me daddy! I'll sit in the corner and be a good little niche series!"
Cope.

Who even said anything about Persona as a series? As someone who primarily plays SMT, I play Persona as well. Personafags however, are mindless ilk as you're proving right now, and are a blight to the fandom. Not even Personafags can agree with each other, seeing as every thread you have nowadays involves tearing each other apart over which game is worse than the other. It's truly sad. As usual though, seek help.

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I don't dislike Redux at all but I think Jimemez and Zelenin changing based off of one conversation with Alex was kinda retarded. Like they are so dead willing to change the world based on their ideals but one satanic daughter can completely flip that? Not saying the new endings are bad, I like them and they have their pros and cons. But let's be honest SMT characters have always been about what they represent/believe in not who they are. So seeing them just so flippantly accept the third new path kinda shot em down even further in my eyes.

>You can actually say anything about bad it in detail
I know I can. Allow me to do so.
Alex, while not as bad as additions like Marie, still feels like an unecessary new plot device. You cpuld have had all the new plot components explained to you without her being there.

As far as the new endings go they feel too beneficial. The original ge had a neutral bias which needed to be fixed but now it just feels like they made the law+ and chaos+ endimgs too idealistic instead of flawed scenarios. SMT shouldn't be about picking a perfect ideal ending, but in choosing what is the lesser evil.

You seem to be rather assblasted about me critiquing it, I like the game still, it's new content just isn't well thought out narrative wise.

I fucking murdered Alex and her dumb bleeding eyes ama

It was better than being hypocritical retards like the original, besides that conversation is lengthy and shows them that they are being retarded. Sadly they have to keep that piece of shit know as SJ with it.

Thoughts on DEAD-LOBSTER, the best megaten demon?

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>Sadly they have to keep that piece of shit know as SJ with it

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>lobster with wings

jesus fuck how can lucifer even compete

>SMT shouldn't be about picking the perfect ideal ending, but what is the lesser evil
That's not the ideology behind alignments, period. The new endings are in no way perfect or ideal, but rather more beneficial for humanity than the old endings which were truthfully just bad endings as a whole. There's still negatives to both options, they're just painted in a more hopeful light. Without Alex's intervention to alter the mindset of the alignment reps, they would have proceeded onward to the original endings. Is her character execution awkward? Yes, but she provides the game with some of the best Law & Chaos routes in the series. That's all there is to it.

I love Persona (3-4-5) games but they don't really feel like SMT games.
So far IV is my favorite, have'nt played Apocalypse yet. I'm playing through Soul Hackers now and it's pretty fucking good too. The OST feels just as good as in IV, which really adds to the atmosphere.

First post in this thread, im a complete purse owner fag, and you are absolutely right, but theres good reason that the person community is split. All the smt games feel a very certain way and translate very well with QOL and other improvements, in persona it feels like the improvements are removements. it's upsetting honestly, but the quality of life additions are so big that it really just feels bad to go back and play an old persona, even if you think the gameplay content is better.

P5 dungeons are actually dull as hell, I'm having more fun in Mementos
The stealth mechanic combined with the dungeons being essentially long, linear corridors stripped the last bit of player agency from the dungeon crawling

>still feels like an unecessary new plot device.
She doesn't. She the reason why Jimemez and Zelenin aren't total retards and act like monkeys anymore.
>law+ and chaos+ endimgs too idealistic instead of flawed scenarios
No they made them fit into line with 1 and II in that every ending is not strictly better than one another and balanced, simply your beliefs. They now have actual pros and downsides instead of the game just choking down Neutral like Nu-SMT that is SJ and beyond and making everything shit.

I would've preferred if Doom Guy and Space Yukiko had just forced the Law+ and Chaos+ endings in fire and brimstone or their own way. Because redeeming Zelenin and Jimemez felt like a fanfic retcon to me and didn't make em well written. I recognize this is also a problem with SJ obv but I wish they didn't try to twist it around and instead kept moving forward.
>Sadly they have to keep that piece of shit known as SJ with it
Calm down edgelord SJR is just alan additive to SJ.

They aren't any more linear than your typical JRPG dungeon, and they certainly are a lot better than tartaros or the random tv generated dungeons. If you are having more fun in mementos, you are just being a contrarian for being a contrarian's sake.

>SJ
>demon co-op is fucking worthless and Mem Aleph is artificial difficulty
>endings are terrible outright, only Neutral is decent at best

>Redux
>demon co-op is actually useful, and the true final boss is very difficult but fair (despite getting a bunch of OP apps still kicks your ass) and makes use of the actual fucking gameplay mechanic
>all the endings now have something good about them and feel like proper routes.

Not him, but that's exactly why they're so boring. It took Atlus this long to give Persona the most basic of JRPG dungeons, on top of slapping boring gimmicks on them to boot. They may be better than Tartarus or the TV World, but at the end of the day they're still incredibly boring.

Yeah it's a shame. I hope one day they can properly master the Persona gameplay and give it more focus. As it stands now though, I'm not feeling it.

Yeah, everyone's always a contrarian when they don't agree with you, right fag?
I'd take random generated "maze" over press x to move down the corridor, from hiding spot to hiding spot and ambush every enemy any day
There's absolutely nothing better about P5 dungeons, they're just fucking boring

>windows XP error noises
no

They are still a lot better than Tartarus or the TV World and that's the whole point.
>Yeah, everyone's always a contrarian when they don't agree with you, right fag?
No, but if you mark Mementos, an objectively more boring thing as better or not as boring, then you quite clearly are and I'm not wasting my time with arguing against obvious bait.

Alright, retard

Yes they're better than literal empty, randomized hallway simulators, but that doesn't make them good.

Zelenin and Jimemez realized how retarded they were being by themselves. Alex and the MC are just the stepping stones to them facing their actions. There's no reason why characters should be so one dimensional.

P5fags can't accept that. You have to pretend the dungeons are good, you arent allowed to say anything bad about them.

>Cope Journey
Wow

Soul Hackers is peak MegaTen. Enjoy it man.

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They aren't bad either. It's much rather the direction they take dungeon design in future games than mementos style random generated hallways.

I wouldn't say that's a P5 thing but more a sonyfag thing. I mean, you can't say anything bad about MHW without setting them off even if it's something that was shit in a Nintendo game too.

They are fucking awful, who the fuck are trying to fool?

I can agree with that, but not if the puzzles and overall way the dungeons function continues to be brain dead. Not only that, but you can't even return to said dungeons after you complete them so it's even worse. The replayability is nonexistent because of how the plot is structured.

I don't know about that.
I mean, with 3 and 4 you can just blast through a dungeon in a single day because of that.

We will see how it goes when Royal drops, they are almost certainly redoing the palaces.

>they are almost certainly redoing the palaces.
That seems unlikely especially since the overall story seems the same.

Have you watched the trailer? They have shown old palaces having different layouts using new tools to get around.

>They have shown old palaces having different layouts using new tools to get around.
No they haven't, they've just shown joker using the grapple.

So many posts yet no answers.

Nocturne or DDS now that I've played Persona 2/3/4/5 ?

Just pick one, idiot
Also, neither. Play Kyuukaku Megami Tensei

DDS it is then, if Nocturne story is really that shit.

>>endings are terrible outright, only Neutral is decent at best
Nah

what is that?

Snes remake of Megaten 1&2 made after SMT2

That's Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei

Never correct me again

Not when DDS2 exists

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Please correct me again when you see I made a mistake

>rpgfan
opinion discarded

Is it required to play DDS1 before?

pls respond, i'm talking about battle systems btw. does it change at allignment lock?

yes, you should

Cope
Yes, you literally have to play it after DDS1 for it to be a masterpiece

Yes it's literally one story split into two not playing one first is out of the question.

You are an idiot if you believe this.