I can officially declare Blood as the worst of the Build trilogy
Pros in regards to SW compared to Blood: >Hitscanning enemies don't instantly rape you on No Pain No Gain unlike how they can on Well Done (the ninjas are just as common as the cultists, but you can actually fight them) >Variety of weapons, whereas you have nearly worthless weapons in Blood >Variety of enemies, whereas you just fight mainly cultists and zombies in Blood >Armor that actually protects you, unlike the three nonsensical ones in Blood >Not only can weapons have secondaries, they can have thirds as well >Lo Wang is a cool character/actually entertaining unlike a tryhard like Caleb
In regards to Caleb, let me give you an example of what I mean: Shadow Warrior ends with a pretty based Lo Wang rap, Bloodfags would consider it cringe if Caleb tried to rap, and in my opinion, Caleb himself is cringe as a result because Bloodfags think Caleb is "too cool" to rap.
And obviously the ranking goes Duke 3D > Shadow Warrior > Redneck Rampage > dog shit > Blood > Build crap like Nam or WW2
okay please stop. Lo Wang is as much of a fucking joke character as Caleb, they're just different notes on the gay edgelord piano. One is a fucking racist character fruit bat and the other is a 14 year old boy.
all your other points are fair though, blood is dog shit
Ryder Hernandez
its not a git gud issue, its an artificial difficulty issue. the cultists are aimbots, give practically no warning or have any windup time, and do a ton of damage. the game is fundamentally broken
Why is the mouse movement so fucking garbage in shadow warrior class redux? How to fix anons it always feels like its on a grid
John Butler
>One is a fucking racist character fruit bat
Lo Wang isn't racist, he's a foreigner whose first language isn't English and it's p funny like most other races when they try to speak English. So despite his mastery of kung fu and ninjitsu, dude sucks at the language, which is a fun flaw that makes him more relatable
Caleb is just a tryhard, he's Not Important without a character flaw (hating everybody)
>Sneed drone
Makes my crusade against Blood even more justified.
Check Y/X axis sensitivity in the controls (different from mouse sensitivity)
Elijah Jones
change the mouse scale in the cfg file. all the info you need is on pcgw
Owen Foster
>Sneed drone It's not even Sneed you fucking noob
Colton Hernandez
you dummy, i hate blood every bit as much as you, but to say lo wang is a superior character as a point of argument is just wrong. they're both faggots.
Shit, there's so much wrong with blood you don't need to make Lo Wang out to be good to make a point against Blood.
Henry Bailey
He switched off Duke3D because a few anons in a thread hijacked it and talked about Shadow Warrior and cracking STANREY ROO jokes.
Ryan Garcia
Based and glad you agree, but there's lit nothing wrong with Lo Wang.
Skill and memorization are one in the same. And saying that savescumming like a coward is a feature PC gaming is known for is an insult to PC gaming.
Jeremiah Baker
>Skill and memorization are one in the same.
... no they're not. Knowing to throw dynamite around a corner either because of intuition of bad game design or because you autistically memorized a level is not a skill
>And saying that savescumming like a coward is a feature PC gaming is known for is an insult to PC gaming.
And savescumming is literally a term born from PC gaming.
Brandon Brown
>doing something proficiently through practice isn't a skill It's like you get dumber with each thread.
Bentley Barnes
Who the fuck cares? Stop posting the same stupid fucking thread everyday because you suck at a game that clearly wasn't meant for you
Isaiah Sanders
Throw yourself at something enough times and it'll eventually stick - that doesn't ring of skill to me.
Except I like Duke 3D and Shadow Warrior
Blood was made in the Build engine, so it's made for me - but it's a trash game
Luis Moore
they all hit for that amount usually before you can even react. there are two cultists in the very beginning of the game that have extremely high body counts due to fucking mercing every single new player that touches this game
Jaxon Baker
>Throw yourself at something enough times and it'll eventually stick You'd be right if I was using midlevel saves, however I do not. Being able to complete a whole level means only a set number of mistakes are allowed for its duration if not using midlevel saves. Being able to complete a level despite this limitation requires skill, skill you obviously lack.
Wyatt Carter
i don't mind unavoidable attacks, that lends to a game of attrition, but this game handles is all ass backwards. it's fucking garbage.
What did Duke3d do so right??
Charles Stewart
>What did Duke3d do so right??
Hitscanners in Duke 3D have wind ups. Pig cops will eventually stop scanning for you once they fire, meaning if you circle strafe them you can dodge it
Alexander Young
imagine samefagging to look like people agree with yourself
Lunar Apocalypse has the most enforcers that early on and at 2:06, he gets hit once and doesn't lose half his health unlike a cultist hitting you in Blood
Oliver Peterson
You've made this thread enough, thanks.
Parker Powell
The only reason he kills them without taking damage is because he insta kills them with rockets, enforcers rarely get hitstunned. Also do you actually play these games yourself or do you just look up footage on youtube? How hard is it to start up Eduke and record your own footage?
Joshua Ward
if that was a blood cultist he would have died from full health
Tyler Roberts
>because he insta kills them with rockets
Which is the smart thing to do on Damn I'm Good difficulty
>Also do you actually play these games yourself or do you just look up footage on youtube?
YouTube links provide the full context (what difficulty, what kind of playthrough etc)
>How hard is it to start up Eduke and record your own footage?
I don't make videos for YouTube so I'm a bit of a boomer when it comes to that.
this. the enforcers have the benefit of a low damage/inaccurate weapon compared to the THIRTY FIVE DAMAGE PER HIT the cultists manage repeatedly
Luke Rogers
That's because Blood is a much harder game. If you substitute the pistol for the tommy gun since Blood doesn't really have a normal pistol then he would have been fine since it stuns them.
Samuel Gomez
>That's because Blood is a much harder game
*Due to bad design
Like I Wanna Be The Guy and Super Meat Boy are harder than Shovel Knight purely because of bad design, intentionally or not.
Ian Parker
>Which is the smart thing to do on Damn I'm Good difficulty He also clearly memorized where all the secrets and enemies are. I thought you were against that kind of thing.
Samuel Brooks
Cultists aren't consistent, if you were to try this exact move ten times you would find that sometimes the cultist would quickdraw shoot you right away like in the webm, sometimes they don't shoot at all and just stand there while you gun them down, and sometimes they start running sideways and you just shoot them. Even on extra crispy this happens.
Austin Walker
>*Due to bad design Being able to avoid damage from a one on one encounter without resorting to insta kill methods is objectively better design.
This infamous webm of how shit Blood is comes from an Extra Crisply playthrough, he also knows the game like the back of his hand and still gets chip raped.
Dylan Walker
its not the good kind of hard its the bullshit punishing hard that isn't even fun i believe the meme is artificial difficulty. the game is supposed to provide fair challenge to encourage you to play better, BLOOD just smashes you in the face every single chance it gets without even attempting to be fun
Henry Jenkins
Maybe he shouldn't have played on the difficulty designed to be unfair.
This is what I noticed in my playthrough of Shadow Warrior on No Pain No Gain (the difficulty similar to Well Done in Blood): I can go 10-15 minutes without saving and have a good time, whereas with Blood, I saved before every corner I turned, and then I just threw some TNT around the corner once I knew what was on the other side
Meanwhile in SW, I take multiple approaches, use different weapons, etc
Jeremiah Roberts
blood is basically hotline miami in 3d and i feel like a faggot telling you to get gud but holy shit get gud
Anthony Diaz
What I've learned from these threads is that Shadow Warrior is by far the easier game.
Brody Parker
Hotline Miami is actually more fair than Blood
HM1 (a good game)=Duke 3D and Shadow Warrior HM2 (a garbage game that only tryhards like)=Blood
Asher Robinson
>easy = good >hard = bad Casuals like you belong on a cross.
Thomas Robinson
Due to good design
What you should take from the thread is Blood is badly designed, all 3 games, Duke, SW and Blood were made in Build, and only Blood is the poorly designed one
There's a difference between well designed difficulty and artificial difficulty
Like look at Mega Man - you have multiple lives, unlimited continues, multiple hits, you can start with any stage, e tanks, etc
If Mega Man were poorly designed, you'd always start on Guts Man stage, you'd have no lives and no continues and you'd die in one hit with no e tanks in the game
Gavin Phillips
>If Mega Man were poorly designed, you'd always start on Guts Man stage, you'd have no lives and no continues and you'd die in one hit with no e tanks in the game Well good thing Mega Man isn't like that. Not sure what the point of this is really.
Jacob Lee
Blood is like poorly designed Mega Man, if your brain couldn't pick up on that.
>>Duke Nukem and Shadow Warrior are Mega Man Yes, how?
Hunter Bailey
>Blood is poorly designed Mega Man (the one without extra lives, no e tanks, etc) Blood has medkits that are directly analogous to Mega Man's e tanks and no hitscanners one shot you. Your comparison makes no sense at all.
Ryder Parker
Hard but fair
You're missing the forest for the trees
Robert Reed
>Duke 3D >Shadow Warrior >hard lmao
Cooper Davis
This is the new tactic of Bloodfags: Pretending peak 90's FPSes like Duke and SW are "casual"
Jesus christ you mentally ill faggots.
Lincoln Stewart
Hey so can you take these threads to /vr/ for a while? You post them like every day so give us a break why don't ya?
Sebastian Parker
Does crouching help you dodge Cultist hitscan or is that a meme? I've spent hours testing it and sometimes it seems like it does, sometimes it seems like placebo bullshit Jumping around seems to throw them off far more consistently. My best room clears without damage involved a lot of jumping around
Ethan Jones
The new tactic of the faggot who got filtered hard by Blood is to pretend Duke 3D and Shadow Warrior are hard. Lmaoing @ your life dude.
Jose Flores
>The new tactic of the faggot who got filtered hard by Blood
I literally beat episode 1, but nice try.
I noticed this too near the end of my playthrough. Don't know what Bloodfags are even talking about with crouching.
Bentley Morales
>Anti-build game thread >Nobody linking to the shitty duke3d mod in the second post Thread is better than expected.
Michael Murphy
So it's luck now? I thought they could hitscan rape you before you can react even if you 'know the level like the back of your hand'.
Watch his playthrough, he's good but has to abuse so many tactics to survive at this bullshit game.
Aaron Moore
No. It's complete trash. I played through the whole game trying to enjoy it and it's just impossible to like.
Michael Sullivan
How is it possible to make a FPS as brilliant as Blood and then have the same people make the sequel and it's not even 1/10 of the predecessor's quality? Not even the decrease in quality from Duke 3D to DNF is as sharp
Adam Carter
It is a well known fact that Extra Crispy is intended for co-op play, not solo play.
Lincoln Harris
I'm pretty sure the story is the game was rushed and basically released unfinished. Plus they were working on SHOGO at the same time, which ended up having most of the same issues Blood 2 had. Maybe it was the game engine itself.
Brody Howard
i'll be honest i have no dog in this fight but i played some blood recently and i have to agree it's no where near duke3d and worse than shadow warrior. that is all. it's a shame because the theme is much more up my alley than wooky kooky quacky daffy ninja man.
Noah Brown
its because of the publishers the devs had at the time pulling an EA on them >yo the game needs more to time to finish do you want extend the dev time >lol no just release it already
Blood's only real problem is hyperactive hitscanners. fite me.
Blake James
>Blood's only real problem is hyperactive hitscanners.
I mean, kinda
The problem is cultists are such a common enemy type and dotted in places as a fuck you to the player for not looking right behind them as they walk into a room.
A good example of how badly designed Blood is: I'm in fact relieved to fight gargoyles (when they should be tougher than cultists)
Easton Smith
how many people have gotten into classic FPS recently because of Civvie
Ryder Cooper
AHAHAHAHHAHAH
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF BLOODFAGS
Connor Barnes
You're supposed to put blood on the third or second level of difficulty rather then the fourth or fifth like other classic 2.5d fps games.
John Martinez
I'm totally OK if more people get into classic FPS because of an e-celeb. Ensures games like Ion Maiden, DUSK, Wrath and these other throwbacks keep being released
Jacob Diaz
>Ensures games like Ion Maiden, DUSK, Wrath and these other throwbacks keep being released
Their poor sales won't
Lucas Myers
theres fair, and theres hard.
Hudson Edwards
you guys are fucking retards holy shit. just joined the thread and im out, enjoy defending your piece of shit spinoff shooter.
