ITT: The character you despise fighting the most

Pichu.
I disrespect the absolute fuck out of any Pichu I come across, even the CPU ones.
Annoying little shit.

>can spam freely without consequences
This is untrue. Most Ness mains are easy to out play if you can dodge their specials. You're probably just bad at the game.

about the only dude in smash i don't like fighting is megaman

True. Just bait & punish every move they spam regardless of character.

Corrin. I don't want to hurt either of them.

Everything else is a lot more up to playstyle than characters, but even with that I have fun fighting anyone because I don't really care about the outcome.

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Oh boy what random abilities does this one have?

I sure do hope it's not whatever the player thought was the most spammable and annoying!

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Projectile spammers are by far the worst to fight online.
>Young Link/Toon Link
>Samus/Dark Samus
>Snake
>Ness/Lucas
>Joker
The lag makes fighting these faggots unplayable. Every time I feel the desire to play online, I immediately stop playing because online is filled with these retards.

Which online is worse Brawl or Ultimate?

if crash bandicoot gets in for real he's gonna be your nightmare

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Brawl because it doesn't have online anymore.

brawl was unfuckingrivaled in shitty online.

git gud or fuck off

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Good thing Steve is never coming to Smash

don't put me in this rosterfag I posted this

>just dodge bro
>get hit by one then another then another
>lose my jump
>die

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I hate fighting all characters online. I would rather fight offline computers, or friends in local multiplayer. Why would I play in an often lag ridden mode, where I don't get to play by rules that I want, and I don't get to play as my main? I know that technically I won't "get better" by playing almost exclusively against cpu, but all my friends suck at the game anyways and they're the only people I care to play against. Level 9 cpu is plenty fun to play against and everything is under my control, including playing in bizarre rulesets you can't play online. Online is only good for downloading stages and finishing the challenge board.

Belmonts will always be my least favorite to play against since they're flow chart as fuck. Jokers are annoying too since they spam counter. I honestly wish every character that has a counter had some kinda penalty for repeated use like Bayonetta.

Nobody because I can separate a player being better than me from cheesing.
If I lose, I just wasnt good enough.

Pacman and Wii Fit are pretty boring to fight since the only thing they do is run to ledge and try to wall you out. They're pretty reliant on one time gimmicks which is probably why most of them leave game one

It'd be quicker for me to list you the matchups I actually enjoy playing, so here you go

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Ness is fucking obnoxious. How do I approach as Sonic? His aerials have fucking retarded priority.

Pikachu/Pichu, the braindead ones are just annoying but the good ones are horrifying to go up against with my characters. Samus doesn't do badly against them but Ridley is essentially dead before the match even starts

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I hate fighting Sonics more and they barely show up

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Wolf throw nerf when

Thank fuck Steve is never getting in Smash, I can see you fucks being the worst of the community.

Young link, Samus or Sonic.
Anyone that plays them is going to stall like a faggot the moment you get an advantage over them.

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Miis that are just shitty, tacky, mishmash OCs and bad miimes instead of something cool.

Do you think if Miis never existed, we could have had a better custom character maker in Smash Bros? I would kill for a Soul Calibur esque character customisation in Smash

If Samus is going up against a swordie or a spacie and they're right on top of her, it's not like she has a whole lot of options other than retreating

would you play mii's if they werent manlets? i mightve tried them out by now i reckon

Ryu/Ken, Motherfuckers can Combo me from 0% to like 30 in a second

I dislike fighting most heavies because they're moves are absolute hell to punish online, but DDD is on a whole other level of cancer
>Excellent recovery with fucking armor, which makes gimping him impossible. In other words, that piece of shit is fucking guaranteed to live at 150+% each stock
>deceptively good frame data, most of his aerials have zero landing lag
>Motherfucking gordos covering all my ledge option so I'm forced to either pray the DDD is a brainlet who can't into ledgetrapping or do a convoluted play each time I'm at the ledge to make it away unscathed
Doesn't help that I haven't encountered a single DDD player yet who wasn't a complete fucking asshat.

>giving spacies kill throws
what the FUCK where they thinking?

>le based salt penguin xD
People roleplaying as their character is cringe

They weren't. Wolf is a swordie with smash attacks that are safe on fucking shield.

>arrow takes out 2 separate eyes

Shulk is definitely one of my most hated match ups. His play style is beyond obnoxious and his aerials are better than they need to be. The whole match is shielding until you can 'safely' grab his nair or bair.

Belmonts are also a piece of shit. Those fuckers need a cool down on their item spamming.

dont forget that his animations hide the fact that his disjoints are top 5 in the game and can only be beat out by Cloud and Shulk. most quickplay swordfags just explode against me since their usually ability to safely spam disjoints doesnt work against DDD who can beat them at their own game

You can complain about Ness. You can complain about Palutena, sure. Inkling? Young Link? Wolf? All reasonable to hate. But if your having trouble against fucking Dedede that’s when you need to take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself “how do I counter a slow projectile that can be knocked back by any fucking move in the game and not be punished for it?” “How do I maneuver around one of the slowest characters in the game without retardedly jumping into gordos?”

There is nothing more kino than Metaknight Dittos especially when it's default vs dark meta

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>Those fuckers need a cool down on their item spamming
they have full seconds of endlag on most of their projectiles dude, are you playing Ganondorf or something?

The only thing i don't like about Wolf is his neutral b. He has amazing close range game, but for some reason they decided that wasn't enough and gave him a zoning tool to put actual zoners to shame. It invalidates a lot of other projectiles because it's so fast and does so much damage that you lose if you try to trade with it. So you're forced to approach him and get your ass handed by his melee kill power. Good grief.

Duck Hunt, which is even worse because all of their 'full seconds' (which is a complete lie) projectiles destroy mine while having a 10ft whip to back them up.

>Mii Gunner with all three explosive specials and the really good up special for recovery
I feel pure evil for using it, but the crazy shit you can do with all three explosives is so fun.

>if a character is bad you're not allowed to complain about them!
I beat most DDDs I come across but fuck me this piece of garbage sucks all the fun in the game.

There are several.

Joker
>Hit him like three times and a Ganondorf pops out that's as fast as Joker with great recovery.

Pokemon Trainer
>Get juggled by Squirtle until 50-60% then have to deal with Ivysaur's bullshit up and down airs.

Inkling
>My dash is a roll lol good luck hitting me ever.

Wolf
>Blaster

Palutena
>Everything

This. Palutena is devil spawn. The amount of times I've been clipped by her disgusting up smash or nair is beyond reckoning. Not to mention she's got reflect AND counter. A truly evil, malicious character.

Villager and Isabelle are pretty fucking infuriating, I'm no stranger to keepaway but a keepaway character should not have a nearly-impossible-to-challenge recovery. Maybe it's my fault for maining mostly slow ass characters.

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Doubtful that a KH sperg could get an advantage over them in the first place.

It’s 2019 and you queers are still playing 2 stock games. And then you have the audacity not to rematch. Like a gas station robbery, you thug POS

Never said he was bad, just easy to fight once you get a grasp of how gordos work. Literally every time some one replies to faggots like you, your like “Oh well actually I don’t have trouble with them! I beat them most of the time!” But that doesn’t make sense when your orignal post contradicts that, making it seem like you have obvious trouble against the character and are completely unaware on how to counter certain play styles. I’m not memeing when I genuinely say get good. Everyone has to experience not having fun online sometimes. Deal with it fag, or just join arenas. Quick play is a travesty

Yeah it's pretty fun. Both characters can get super explosive but its rare & inconsistent, its volatile & fun.

>Main Ridley
>Get combo'd for existing
I don't think anything pisses me off more than nonstop hitboxes all over the screen or getting punished for landing an attack.

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Getting out-zoned as DHD

I don’t care who you were fighting, shame on you.

maining Charizard in SMash 4 was the worst because if you got knocked up and you had an opponent who realized that Charizard fucking sucks in the air and knew to avoid the rock smash super armor trick, you were boned.

I feel for you bro. I have similar problems with Doc. Constant abuse from combos I can’t escape until bam, I’m off stage and dead. Combos don’t work a lot of the time and I’m punished for attempting to get reads because my attacks have 0 range. We may seem different, but we’re in similar boats. Stay playing nigga, you guys are some of the ones I respect the most

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Are they ever going to fix the GSP for elite? I think it's absolutely absurd that anyone who has an extremely high GSP only gets paired up with people who have a much lower score and if you lose it swipes almost 2-3k per match and winning only gives you 100-200. If you have a higher GSP the game is always against you.

>inb4 just don't lose

say that to fighting laggy squids, wolves and pikachus.

you clearly know nothing about DHD then. all of his projectiles are easily dispatched more so when another character has faster non destroying/reflectable items.

Why is Mario so good in this game??

>Main WFT
>Core part of kit is being able to pressure really well when coming back on stage with ball

>characters that have a "fuck your ball" button
>Space furries

>Characters that have a "fuck your ball and also thanks" button
>Incineroar
>Joker
>Isabelle
>Villager
>Ness
>Lucas
>Rosalina
>Mr. G&W
>Wario

Incineroar being the most dreaded match-up. At least I can gimp him fairly easily.

This homo

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Luigi, Lucas, & Mario

Would Ridley become OP if he had a float gimmick ala Peach? Almost all his aerials are real good, and he needs a better way of getting back to the stage

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I literally main DHD, retard. Simons and Richters are free wins. Hit them with the can offstage once. There’s a very real chance they can’t make it back.

i love simon

i'd like to see you fight one honestly. you got a vid?

Based Docbro. Do you use up-b enough? Shit comes out frame-3 so if someone is too much in your face, hit them with that sweet uppercut.

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I've picked up Little Mac recently. basically everyone is unfun to fight because they all go for the same exact tactic of trying to throw me off the ledge at every single opportunity.
DK is especially bad because he can throw me to death at 0% by picking me up and taking me down under the stage.
As Ridley the characters hard to fight are basically anyone spammy or anyone with good combos.
Samus is OK on most people.

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Rogue and guile in marvel vs. capcom 2

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I probably don’t have a vid but if I do and this thread is still alive you can bet your ass I’ll post it.

>play koopa klown kids
>everyone starts raging
this is fun

The added WiFi lag amplifies Ganon too.

please do because i can literally destroy every character besides belmonts, fuck I even beat Nairo multiple times for fuck sake.

Fuckin try my best to use it appropriately. Sometimes it’s difficult to hit for me, even when they’re right up in my face. Learnt a few days ago that you can get neutral b to up b kill confirm at specific percents and it’s the best fucking feeling ever

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I hate characters that have Zeo landing lag and can combo into anything from air attacks.
Kirby, Yoshi, Mario to name a few.
I miss grabbing nerds after an air attack, but now I have to wait for the air attack, the jab combo and a tilt before it's safe to put down shield. and that's assuming they didn't air attack into grab.

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FUCK OFF BLOCKHEAD
TODD HOWARD FOR SMASH
I HAVE THE PERFECT MOVESET FOR MYSELF

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>Play Incineroar
>Get annhilated by Pac-Man and Isabelle

Weirdly enough,i'm doing fine against the Earthbound faggots, but that's probably because most of them are retards who only spam Side B and Neutral B.

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A good Koopa kid is absolute torture but also absolute fun to play against. Godspeed.

How about when you know exactly what a fight will be like the instant you find out who you're fighting?
>Ness
>Young Link

>reflect AND counter
Oh no, do you think K. Rool is too good and scary too?

Doc's upB supercedes multihit moves like jab combos or stuff like (pk) fire
You didn't hear it from me, now go punch a ness in the face

Remember to dab on PK Kids whenever you can

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Sonic
Wolf
Villager
WFT
Link
DDD
Pokemon Trainer

I don't see many Docs but since I main Ridley as I said I tend to fear them much like I do Mario. One wahoo and I'm eating 60% damage. Dunno if docs can quite do that but I still am apprehensive fighting them. Docs don't seem like bullshit though and with so few of them I share your respect. I'm sticking with my big boy even if I hope he gets a few buffs.

I dunno if he'd be op. It'd really help his linear recovery though. I feel like start/end lag hurts me the most with him as well as feeling like a lot of the attacks I can land feeling like beestings. Though fixing framedata may fix that. Up b taking three years to go off really fucking sucks.

are you being real right now?

what did doc do there?

It doesn’t matter what stage you fight PAC MAN on. If they’re good at using their hydrant and trampoline it THEIR stage now.

>specifying young link when all 3 links play like faggots
>joker
>pichu
>mii gunner
>simon
>wolf
>villager
>lucas

keep pressing up b as soon as ness approaches.

>it’s an elite pac man episode

>Oh it's a ness player, I wonder how he'll fight?

PKFIREPKFIREPKFIREPKFIREPKFIREPKFIREPKFIREPKFIREPKFIRE

*tries to back throw you

Toon Link is exclusively played by people with some sort of brain disease, I swear.
>run away and spam projectiles for 90% of the match
>guaranteed Dair whenever they're above you
>tactics don't change at all no matter what

All Ridley needs is for his Up B to work like fox. Having only four directions is a bizarre choice and makes it useless in certain situations for recovery.
It's also bizarre that he only gets 3 jumps, when DDD gets proper flight. And being lighter than Samus is just fucking dumb.

UpB 3 times. Any Frame 3 Special ( maybe lower ) can be repeated as you get multi hit by PK Fire, or the spicy curry item.
Webm unrelated but I like to share Doc shit

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GO BACK TO YOUR CONTAINMENT THREAD, DUMB FAGGOT

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I've mained Ness since Melee. To start off I just loved PK-thundering into myself for easy KO's, but over the years I've come to love his air attacks, especially his down aerial. Also, fuck Lucas.

Oh yeah pill confirms are the fucking best.
Was that a fucking double up-b?

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Bowser is a recent one for me. Every Bowser I've fought in the past couple weeks has been exactly the same, as if it were one person every time.
They try command grab every opportunity on the ground, and if they're even a foot off the ground they'll attempt a down air or a down B. They always recover high so they can do a Down B or Down air.

God I hate fighting Marios.

He's papa Nintendo himself, if people weren't called out for playing him he'd probably be picked a lot more. People view maining Mario like eating plain vanilla at a exotic ice cream shop

Triple UpB
Also post webms if you guys got any

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He was mediocre in Melee and absolute trash in Brawl though.
Oh yeah my b I just rewatched it. My SD card slot is fucked so no .webm from me sadly.

By far the hardest character to beat is Goku, because you know if they were good enough at the game to actually unlock him, there's no doubt they are good enough to beat you without taking a hit.

>someone gets too cocky edge-guarding Ridley
>grab them and drag them to their doom
>just kidding, Ridleycide is shit and they get to act first out of it

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I don't have any but I'd love any bitching Ridley webms.
>Won a game yesterday against another Ridley by coming back from a two stock deficit by timed skewers and fireball gimps.
>Forgot to save the replay.
Fuck me.

>SD twice in a match from wifi bullshit
>opponent teabags each time
>doesn't rematch

Why is quickplay so cancerous? Why do I keep playing it?

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Don't drag them all the way. If you don't slam them on the edge let go of them so they go under the stage. You should still be able to make it back usually. Hypothetically anyway.

it's a fucking drug and you can never get enough

I would argue some of his framedata needs fixing as well. Ftilt takes too long to come out and doesn't reach as long as it seems to, dsmash is especially atrocious in terms of how long it takes to come out. Don't even get me started on Space Pirate Rush, it does not travel far enough to warrant the abysmal amount of startup and endlag it has compared to other command grabs in the game. Skewer is too much risk for the reward it gives, Ridley being lighter than most big bodies means he eats the same amount of hits they do but dies way earlier than they do, his grab range is terrible, and his Dair is borderline useless and probably the worst stall and fall dair in the entire game.

Shit. It wouldn't be hard to fix this stuff with patches but I doubt they will

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I tortured myself through it just to hit elite and be done with it. Just make arenas. Set it to only two people max so no waiting around. My arenas never take long to get someone. Unless of course I forget I had it set to friends only instead of public. That sure makes me feel like a moron I tell ya what.

How did I not know of this? Thank you sir. This will come in handy

I just want him to get buffs before the balance patches stop. Please tell me he has a chance.

literally why is every sonic main an obnoxious faggot? I literally havent met one that didnt act like a tool. Constant taunting and spin dash waiting for you to approach. Then when you beat them they either kick you from their lobby or dont want to rematch

Sheik is only fun on walkoff stages so you can cheese your opponents

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this skin only

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Because YOU'RE TOO SLOW

Is Mega Man considered annoying to fight against? Want to make sure people don't consider me a faggot

gave ness a heavy dose

Why are Final Faggots so triggered by that skin?

I don’t do that as a Sonic player but I’m also not good enough to style on people

Doesn't matter what people think as long as you have fun and don't play scummy. Like if you don't spam leaf shield it's whatever

Fuck Shulk
>let me just hop around and Nair the entire match

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i personally hate mega man. between the lemons and obnoxious leaf shield it's just a fucking bore.

I mean Sonic seems like a tool in whatever media he is in so i guess their just copying that

I wish his jumps just had more height, even when you're not recovering he just doesn't seem to get enough verticality to avoid attacks or reach higher jumping characters. That's just my two cents.

For 3DS.
My hand hurt playing it.

I think it's because it's from the movie that made people think Cloud is an edgy emo instead of the dweeb he actually is.

this fucking user gets it. what an absolute chore of a match fighting shulk is. not to mention his faggot wheel of fortune non sense.

He's not really fun to fight but I never meet any and he's not as dreadful as many others, so he ends up being tolerable.
Just play who you like.

I mean that's literally all he can do in neutral aside from the occasional utilt. His special attacks are all dogshit or super situational, his Smashes are too slow to just throw out randomly, his jab is dogshit, what the fuck do you want him to do?

I can sort of relate. Samus is very reliant on charge shot for a variety of things, combo tool, applying pressure, etc. But all a character needs is a reflector of some kind to completely invalidate Samus's most important tool in her kit, unless you're exceptionally good at reads and timing

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it should be illegal for anyone with projectiles to have a reflector.

Any
body who abuses bad connections.
Seriously you get punished for having good reads at times.

I miss Smash 4 Charizard, Rock Smash was OP, was one of my mains.

>No mention of Ice Climbers

Great, guess I'll keep side-bing then

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Just block and wait out his arts. Speed and Buster are the only good ones anyways.

what an interesting and fun filled match!

Screencapped for June 12th. :)

Are they siblings or lovers

yes

Yoshi is kinda annoying.

Melee Marth is for actual neanderthals fuck that brain dead character

Oh
nice
also any tips and/or tricks, they look like a fun character

>playing as ROB
>Fight a Chrom
>Gets down to 1 stock each, both at high %
>He runs until the time runs out and kills me in Sudden Death
That was the day online died for me.

Learn de-sync combos, they're wild as all hell. Also nana's forward air hit is a spike

Learn to desync otherwise don't bother.

Do you agree with this list anons.

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It's muscle memory for me, though I avoid using it when I can use a different approach.

>Knock people offstage with the whip
>Holy water
>Just start spamming neutral B while they try to recover
>Laugh at them when they ragequit SD in the middle of the match
Help me, Yea Forums. I've become the very thing I used to despise, but it's just too fun to stop.

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side b
side B
SIDE B

And just plain button mashing A and apply constant pressure. I got into Elite doing just that. I make Pichus flee in fear of my mallet.

>Young Link and Roy above Shulk
No.

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Yeah, it's pretty close to what I would say.
I would probably put Snake in regular top tier and ZSS and Shulk in either high tier + or top tier -

>Olimar not in Top Tier+
>Wii Fit not in at least High Tier-
>Incineroar not in Mid Tier+
outside of that, it's pretty alright.

roy is better than palutena imo.

>Marth above Ike

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>Olimar is supposed to be top tier
>I can barely break even with him
I like him but he feels so weak overall.

Poor Mac.
I honestly don't know what they were even thinking with Little Mac. Why make a character that is shitty on purpose? He has less than half the moves of any other character.

de-sync and try your best not to get carpal tunnel

>have more even match ups then ever before
>Any Little Mac with a iq higher then two digits is like 1:4 macs favor easy
>Have to play like I am in smash 4 and just walk slowly and wait for errors
>Friends berate me for losing to the worst character in the game

Mac is specifically design to fuck zelda up.

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DH's projectiles are kinda trash, bro. Still takes a million years to come out and for the animations to finish.

I'm honestly wondering, how is she this game?
People say she's bettr than she's ever been, most of her moves are straight upgrades, and she has gotten more Ultimate results than 4 and Brawl, but something feels off to me.
I don't know if it's the Phantom or what, and from what I can see the only significant nerf she even got was to her down-tilt
Maybe it's the engine?

Don't bully my son please

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>friend I always played with was a ness main
>now hes a fucking joker main
>mfw sheik and kirby are literally unplayable now because you cant combo anything due to what feels like frame 1 counter, and can hold it messing up my timing i learned for so long for every other counter
>And the fucking persona gives his counters very little time to punish
i wish i wasnt shit

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If there was ever a time to get on the zelda bandwagon now that Project M is nothing more then a small traveling tribe of socially awkward autists it would be now.

The new dash mechanics make her pivot grab and standing pivot grab more rewarding forever and ledge cancels are easier then your mom

She is decent in this game and has a strong advantage state outside of Nairs that sometimes dont work. Neutral can be a bit of a struggle but retards love running into neutral b and elevator up-b so your guaranteed to make it past your first round in pools at least.

Wii Fit is solidly in High tier with an on-demand limit and crazy hitboxes. Doublely so with her recent buffs.

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>counters
We can all agree this was the biggest mistake in smash history, right? Reflectors can stay though

>main the Samii
>widely regarded as some of the worst characters in the game
> last update actually nerfed them with zero buffs to compensate

I swear Samus must have slapped Sakurai's mom or something, this shit is unreal.

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They're considered mid and have gotten some solid results as of late. Stop with the persecution complex please, t. Samus main

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>mii swordfighter with the tornado projectile, move that makes you spin to the other side of the map as a giant hitbox, and a counter

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>Playing a bit online
>2 matches in a row of
>PKFIRE PKFIRE PKFIRE PKFIRE

>Accept that Ness mains have no honor

>switched to falco

>Next ness I was up against actually DC'd after being trapped in their own fire over and over from the reflector

Can you get any lower than a Wifi Ness main

I don't main Ness, but I do like to use it :^)

>Both rats are a bit too volatile compared to the characters they're with and should be moved down a Tier or for Pichu, consider just making the Top & Top+ one tier. Peach has issues & frail matchups of her own too, neither are that much better than Wolf/Lucina/Olimar, even in theory.
>Yoshi is too much of a vaporware character to deserve being that high. Same to a lesser extent with Cloud who hasn't proven himself enough compard to Megaman or ZSS. Maybe move ZSS up a tier instead, actually
>Falco really isn't that good and his matchups against characters with non zoning reliant neutral are pretty bad. He's closer to a Sonic than a Pac-Man, or again, maybe it's Pac-Man who deserves a slight bump up High-., depending if he can keep the momentum he's had in tours from the high damage output.
>Mid+ outside of Pac-Man actually overall really isn't that much better than many Mid or Mid- characters. The 3 heavies & Wii Fit both struggle to deal with the oppression of Top Rushdown characters to a level I would associate with characters like Samus or Dedede, while simultaneously having peaked less further than the likes of Toon Link.
>Duck Hunt though is a lot better than what you're perceiving him as. Combo starting zoning tools, a very complete neutral, respectable grab game on account of Can and a few things out of FThrow/DThrow mixups, and a Disadvantage State that's made better with Frame 1 Can. Easily a Mid+
>Mii Brawler is a lot better than people think, has access to mad early kill confirms enabled by Helicopter Kick, 2 amazing tilts that enable combos, fairly good mobility, a pretty alright projectile, one of the fastest command grabs with decent reach to supplement Out of Shield. Webm related.
Autistic rant over, it's alright overall though.

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Ridley really that bad? Is low tier still ok? If not depressing if he never gets tweaked.

tfw everyone puts Ridley low but Ridley is easily one of my best characters and was one of my top Hope's so I just played until I got gudder and gudder.

If it means people are going to be smug and think they've got the fight in the bag just because of tiershit it does make all of these victories that much sweeter

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Not him, but i'm taking Low Tier in Ultimate as " This character will struggle to compete in that some of his matchups are too much of a consistent hurdle for him to be able to pull through, except maybe once "
As opposed to the Mid Tier where troublesome matchups, on account of mild inexperience or some really good player, can sometimes pull through and get high placements at Tournaments.
Tl;dr it seems very unlikely that a Solo Ridley Main could get Top 8 or even Top 16 at a Top level Smash Tournament.
Don't get discouraged though.

Some characters even against someone who isn't amazing still gives me a lot of trouble. Mostly the top tiers.

I guess Ult as far as right now is the most balanced Smash? I just hope they buff Ridley substantially instead of minor useless final smash tweaks. I like final smashes but really? That's what they choose to buff? I fear he'll get nothing or somehow for some dumb reason, a Nerf.

People only say this "most balanced" stuff because the game is still relatively new. If the meta is still the same a year or 2 out I will be pleasantly surprised

That's what you get for the chad complex stereotype

Not annoying but legit scared when playing against a good Dorf or Roy. They're so fucking intimidating.

If you exclude Mac, then yeah, it's probably the most balanced, or something on par with Smash 64 at worst: Even at the hands of a Top Player, a Top Tier character like Pichu or Inkling can still reasonably get upset by some Low Tier characters. It almost happened a couple of times. The high amount of characters makes learning all the matchups a bit negligeable too, so more often than enough and as I said, even a Top Player within something as short as a Best of 3 may not have time to process the few tricks some characters have, and could lose to them.
youtube.com/watch?v=qn8DLuswLtQ
youtube.com/watch?v=_fF5ijavIFs
These two sets are Top vs Low tier matchups with a Top Player playing the Top character, and both could have easily been 1-2 for the Top Player.

Brawl was literally unplayable, it had the worst online if ANY game.

>tfw uninstall Smash at least once a week out of salt

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Villager/Isabellefag here, you’re right about heavy characters. A huge body is a huge slingshot target.

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It would be Mario dressup and you know it

Whoever's post gets a 7 decides what character I unlock with Challenger's Approach to taint my Random Button with shit I don't want to play.
Note however that I got Joker & Pokemon Trainer since then, and that I took this after I tried out quickplay, got Olimar to Elite to see if it was hard or not, and stopped playing and went on Arenas instead.

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Why don't all large body characters have super armor against small things like the slingshot? If Ridley had some super armor it'd make him more threatening.

bro, i feel your pain
i just wish he wasn't so light
weirdly enough, i have better luck aiming upb down from above the ledge as it's pretty safe since it has a lot of priority
just gotta make sure you don't hold down otherwise you're goin' straight into the bottom

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Marth

Give me one good reason why they shouldn't fix Samus's jab combo.

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Because it would be better to give her land canceling missiles instead

It's been three games since, they are literally never adding that back in
sadly

Too late, you're part of the Zoner army now. Enjoy hitting everyone from across the stage.

Just fought a ZSS with a three minute timer and a pretentious name.

If you're here, you're not even close to a deity you fatherless wank. Hahaha.

dont spam ur buttons then fag

God damn, imagine being able to land cancel super missiles with the way they work in Ultimate. They're already decent combo tools, their mileage would increase greatly

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I feel like every time I play Ridley I come away disappointed. Which is a fucking shame because he was always my top newcomer hope.

Just grab

Honestly the only thing that makes his spam stand out is that he says it. It's far less common a strategy than Wolf lasers.

This, I main Ridley too and every win is pretty satisfying even if I just barely squeak out the win or cheese it

Don't know if it'll help you but someone told me in a past thread to play Ridley like a Swordie. Keep to a certain distance utilizing tilts and Aerials. I used to try to play him as a rushdown sort of thing and I've had much better luck since keeping spacing in mind. Stopping a dash short and tilting is really helpful and much safer on shield. I changed cstick to tilts for this reason. Took getting used to not having it for smashes. Especially since I'd use csmashes for a quick down smash after skewer but the tilt function is just far more consistently useful.

No one going to complain about Little Mac players? Dash attack and side smash have bullshit resistance to knockback, and can be used incredibly fast. Little Mac players abuse the shit out of his resistance, and run when they can't get one hit, making the match a complete bitch to play

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>No one going to complain about Little Mac players
Why? He's literally the worst fighter in the series history. If you lose to Little Mac it's your own fault.

Literally anyone who takes a stock then times out the match.
This should be a permanent ban from Nintendo online.

>throw little mac offstage
>take little mac offstage by comboing him with aerials
wow that was hard

This bitch

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Little Mac players are annoying as fuck, yes.
Just delay your approaches so they can't do that stupid f-tilt and side-smash spam, then spam down-smash at ledge.

nothing pisses me off more than getting stuck in fox's stupid fucking utilt for like 60-80%
at least when pichu or something combos me it takes SOME input skill and looks pretty stylish, but fucking foxniggers can just spam utilt on any slow heavy for fucking ages and rack up damage.

>Uptilts into smash attack
God I love fox in this game so much

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I wish I wasn't shit at the game.

Oh man I just got off of a match like this. What a waste of fucking time. Just runs around crouching over and over like he's so good when all he did was run away after I was killed by a stage hazard. I need to start setting a preferred ruleset.

I have a hard time gimping him for some reason.

Do you suffer in neutral or advantage/disadvantage?

Keep practicising! Focus on fundamentals, not tech skill.

Which stage?

Good DHD players don't spam projectiles like faggots.
They either use them defensively, juggle opponents, set up stage spikes at 30%, or block other projectiles.
The crazy ones will blow themselves up with the can to launch themselves towards you, and start combos

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Yes.

Mario U. I got distracted and was nabbed by Nabbit.

Completely insufferable faggots like that made me stop playing smash 4 entirely.
The fact that people still do it in ultimate made me realize I should only play the online once or twice a month.

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What is a Duck Hunt going to do if not spam cans? This is coming from someone who mained them for a bit in Smash 4.

Ah, I feel that. Did you rematch him?

Nah. I left. Thankfully the very next match was a good fight against a Ness player.

A good fight against a Ness player? You must have won the lottery

I know right? He had a variety of tactics, no spamming, and no running. Really helped balance out the evening.

Post your main and GSP and I will pretend to help you when actually I'm sucking my own dick for being so dunning-krueger better at this game than you while putting in less effort.
Anyone who doesn't break their enemy out and focus nabbit immediately is scum.

Great! Glad you had a fun match! I also had some fun matches the other day.

I play duck hunt. I use air attacks and tilts more than the can.
On stages with platforms, I leave a can on one to sort of "block" it off.

If I really want to start fucking with someone, I leave a can on the ground, wait for them to run up and grab, and use the can to interrupt it.
Sometimes I just leave a can on the ground and move it once or twice for no reason.
If you can get your timing down, you can also use it to bait out counters.
Alternatively, you grab someone near a can, blow both of you up, and go for an off-stage spike, or an up-air for easy kills.
I also use gunmen to stop projectiles, or have it act like a delayed counter.

You can do a lot when you use cans in weird ways.

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Enjoy all that useless computer space retard

Happened to me once. It was like hearing the song of an angel.

Hasn't happened since though. I swear he did it just to give fuckers like me hope so we don't Quit the match as soon as we see that ugly baseball of a face.

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Oh really? that's nice! Like what?

cry more Ness haters. I'll be here, comfy in elite smash pk fireing scrubs

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Wow, thanks for the great comment! Those are great ideas. I like using the can while shielding. People seem to not always know you can do that. I just found it (don't play they much in Ultimate) so hard to KO my opponents since they had so few KO moves and their range wasn't great.

Yeah, it's amazing when you fight such an annoying character and they're not playing obnoxiously. I try to mix up how I play but fear my Villager may still be annoying to fight :(

Fought a gimmicky Isabelle (kept trying the fishing rod off stage) as Greninja, lost once or twice, then figured them out, won, then they showed me what they were capable of (they fought for real) and we had some good matches! Similar thing happened with a Jigglypuff (man, was that player good up close!)

That sounds really cool. Glad to see they had some real skills behind the gimmicks. I bet it felt good to figure them out.

Reminder to block all Ness players

Pic related and all other Marth clones.
>want to rush them down
>they have better frame data than me and can zone me out
>want to play more defensive against them
>they can rush me down with their crazy speed and pressure me with their range and frame data
>want to go offstage to edgeguard them
>run the high risk of either getting stage spiked or just spiked and killed at zero
>want to try to force them to whiff so I can punish
>moves like nair and fair have

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Yeah! It's great when, after a loss, I think "Hm, I have an idea of how to win" and get to try it in a rematch. People often just leave after a win, especially a gimmick win.

Duck hunt has shit kill moves.
BUT duck hunt has a FUCK TON of spike setups and gimp potential.
If you play duck-hunt right, you can stage spike most of the cast around 20-45%

Got this shit once while we were playing Custom Stages with Random characters.
Can enabling Strings is always fun.

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I didn't realize they had a lot of spike set ups. How different are they than in Smash?

That's amazing. That was some good planning jumping in the cannon

Pick up a secondary that can deal with them then, there's a reason why FE characters are starting to fall off the tier lists and thats because of how basic they are. Chrom is so easy to get cheese kills against with how putrid his recovery is

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>get ass kicked twice by a Cap Falcon as Little Mac
>make a comeback and get 2 stock up on him
>as soon as I take his second stock with a read KO punch there's a giant lag spike and he's replaced by an AI
These people annoy me.

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>there's a reason why FE characters are starting to fall off the tier lists and thats because of how basic they are
Shit like this is how you know Yea Forums doesn't have any idea what the fuck they're talking about. Take a look at pic related, tell me how many Fire Emblem characters you see. Chrom's shitty recovery clearly isn't """putrid""" enough to stop a solo Chrom player from placing higher than heavy hitters like Dabuz or MDV. And pray tell what characters beat swords, because if there were a defacto "anti-sword" character they would definitely be meta by now.

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Also not pictured is Mars' Ike, which he used to eliminate Esam's Pikachu via smash attack and nair spam.

I despise fighting Mii players because youve got a roster full of videogame icons and you pick a fucking custom character

the amount of "looking cool, joker" ive heard ensures i will never in a million years give the persona series a try

Does ESAM is gay?

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>nair nair nair nair nair nair nair
>down smash
>can side B from any distance back to the stage

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I still feel like Wario's full potential hasn't been achieved. There are probably some techs that are yet to be discovered, especially his bike which is a goldmine for a lot of shit to do.

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Stop playing quickplay.
Ness is terrible enough on wifi as it is, but playing with GSP which encourages lame play like pk fire spam makes him so much more frustrating to fight. Arena players are usually so much more honest.

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literally bait them into doing it then jump over it and punish

its not hard

>Playing against Ness as Ridley
This is a special kind of hell

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You forget that most Ness mains have notoriously shitty wifi on quickplay. I'd rather not waste my time fighting a character with such an appalling waiting game while they have actual mud hut internet.
You and the other GSPfags can deal with that sort of thing.

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this isnt a rosterfag thread

youtube.com/watch?v=a5zQhWmlXT4
learn from the master, kid.

I could learn a lot from Trela, but playing online is not the same as playing offline. All it takes is one pk fire and Ness can easily combo Ridley to 80%, if not zero to death.

>smash bros
lmao
>worst balance
>shit ass netcode
>uncreative roster
>really boring or annoying stages, no in between good playable stages
>has blatantly unfun shit like Ness or Little Mac
>it's lobby system is a fucking joke
>it's devs don't even play their own fucking game
>has some of, if not the worst community in gaming
>genuinely unfun core design, with disadvantage not really letting you play
>despite having a roster of 71 characters, there are only like 20~ that are playable and 50~ that are just there for that 20 to bully
>ruins Yea Forums by spamming threads when ANY fucking news or hype happens instead of going to a fucking general like the rules tell them to
>mods are nintenbroters so they allow it
>they ruin any and all mixed fighting game events like Evo, to the point where melee got kicked out despite having fantastic numbers because they and their game are just bad
>they act like they're FGC
>they act like they aren't riding off of smash bros' fantastic marketing, and instead act like their 'intricate and interesting gameplay' are what got them attention
>they don't seem to realize they aren't just there because nintendo-fags are so desperate for that twitch culture, but can't learn a real fighting game

Just play UNIST or something good.

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I feel that. Parrying is absolutely crucial to learn for that match up, although normal shielding pk fire is fine, too.
If the Nessfag doesn't want to fight, then don't fight. Don't approach, and play defensively through the whole thing. Get him in the air as much as you can, if possible.

>trying to pick up Wendy
>get faced with a million faggot ass Jokers
His series is about ghosts right? Wouldnt mind turning his userbase into them haha.

Rule 2, user. Rule 2.

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Are you a Joker boy? Invest in a faster data plan instead of buying DLC from mummy's credit card.

Sakurai: I want a character who is very fast, hits like a truck and has hitboxes half the size of the stage
Sora: OK, here it is
Sakurai: Now I want three more
Sora: ...

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all fire emblem characters, they have way too much defence and attack. Their launch is too good.

Does Sakurai really hate FE or something? It seems to me like there's almost a conspiracy to make FE despised by the Smash Bros fanbase.

These rosterfags just can't make up their fucking minds. Is he biased or not?

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git gud