When did you stop playing Dota 2?

A couple years ago when my internet got really bad, I tried to get back into it a couple months later when I fixed the issues, but trying to shake off dota rust is a demoralizing experience so I gave up. Funny thing is I still watch the tournaments, and read the patch notes even though I haven't seriously played it in years.

when i realized i was never going to be good at it

Fucking
THIS

I quit like 3 years ago and holy fuck did it feel good
I did also mostly quit competitive games in general, which also helped quite a bit

When they added the Stun timer above your head.
Assumed it was just going to get worse from there and it looks like I was right.

Same here but I don’t really play LoL much either just get the itch every couple months. It was painful watching Dota make the exact mistakes LoL did.

I only have about 30 hours in the game.
I quit playing because I was carrying my friends who had 100s of hours and thought that was ridiculous

When they killed Skeleton King for the green meme faggot

7.0

This. It's just not worth it

Yeah. Even just within the 6.8X line of patches, it got worse.

110% this, it just stopped being enjoyable

I’ve just been playing it on and off when my friends want to play it, usually they get a motivation spike around the yearly Internationals and it lasts a month or two. Can’t see myself playing Dota 2 alone, too much all sorts of faggotry going on around and the game is much more enjoyable to play when you have a team that you can rely on.

never played it, any good waifus

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tried 2 matches like a year after relaese

>people are still seething over 7.0
While 7.00 was a shitshow, it has been getting a lot better since then. Certain decisions have been retarded but for the most part the changes have at least been enjoyable.

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7.0 killed the game, but even then myself and my friends were just tired of spending night after night getting mad at it and each other while playing it. It (was) a wonderful game but losing just feels awful, and like a waste of your time on top of that.

Around winter wyvern. Don't even remember the last time I played. Read some patch notes when 7.00 arrived but then never again

"competitive" games were the worst invention in modern gaming. It's all team-based and requires a good degree of coordination to have fun but on the other hand the main mode on all of them is solo-queue.

2013

I stopped solo queue and only play with a 5 stack and the game is fun again. It's just not a solo play game.

I on't even remember what patch it was. But the patch where they added a bunch of new items (aeon disk, meteor hammer etc.) and the game became clownier started the decline. I can't remember if talents came on that patch or an earlier one. The latest one was the big patch after last year's TI where everything was just all over the place. I haven't really played the game since that.

I don't even know if its because of the game either desu. I think I'm just getting older and when I want to play a moba I just want a quick game. As cool as the 60+ minute games could be in dota, I lost the desire to commit 45+ minutes every time I queued up for a match and found myself playing casual mode more and more. Even though I hated it on a fundamental level, it was just to just play a quick game. Even with LoL around that time I stopped playing the actual game because it was just a drawn out shit stain of a game, and exclusively started playing ARAM because it was faster and more fun.

Toward the end I was actually loving HotS for the same reason despite its many flaws, but unfortunately blizzard had to murder it in cold blood.

I don't have friends

New Drow is pretty good
Crystal Maiden melts my heart
Templar Assassin is cute and autistic
Queen of Pain is a sassy succubus dominatrix

a few days before the HOTS beta

Play fighting games.

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when all of my friends started working or got married, or both

No. I play Osu because it's me against a no-bullshit level. Nobody to blame but me there so it's way easier to cool down.

so i just came back, my last game was on 2014

what happened in 7.0? i already noticed major changes, games are faster since there are many ways of recovering health and mana without having to return to base and ways of making more money, also talents who make heroes even more broken.

But what made people quit?

cant wait for this cunt to get slammed into the ground where she belongs in the next patch

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talents and the shrines that can heal were the main introductions, peopel only quit because its not "muh dota" anymore,

When I realized how unfun it was that the first 5 minutes of the game determined how much (or little) fun you could have in the remaining 30 or more. Even games where I played really well in lane could be thrown away if some of my team mates did not.

I started asking myself the dota question "rate your enjoyment of the match" after every game and answered honestly. I got a single 5* and two 4* in a string of 20 games. That fun matches are that scarce is just shitty.

>current year
>not having friends
I know this is fucking Yea Forums, but jesus christ user

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Sorry but no. Fighting games are the very worst in competitive because there just isn't a way for someone like me to get into them anymore. The community is as old as time and someone that wants to try a fighting game is just bending over and biting the pillow for 1000+ hours. And even if I were to make it past that there is no guarantee I'd have fun by the end.

Who thought that Drow should have an ability that has a 40% chance to ignore armour and evasion that also one shot creeps including ancients with the same chance while having an ability that EASILY gives her attack speed to proc it more often while also giving the same attack speed to allied ranged heroes and ranged creeps including siege creeps? She's a mess currently Which is why I always pick big daddy Enigma every time I see an ally Drow. Max attack speed eidolons is no joke.

some time between TI2 and TI3

fuck yeah, a squad of eidelosn with the talent will shred anything they attack

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honestly i'm liking these new changes since i really hated to spend an hour per game

i don't have friends either

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Same reason I quit CSGO
I play those games because I want to play the old unchanging version I love, not to see it ruined patch after patch

back when skeleton king changed to wraith king or whatever he is now

Every game is the same now because “dude rubber banding lmao”, it’s boring and the game gives too much for free now.

>forgetting about PA

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Shortly after they put in ranked MMR is when I quit.. got placed around 4.5k climbed up to like 4700 and said fuck this and went to play league.

I tried playing dota about a year ago and it feels so terrible compared to league, turn speed is stupid imho.

About 2000 fucking hours in after I realized that the system basically forces a winrate on you so you're pretty much gambling that you won't be locked into having a horrible time for the next hour

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>wonder women
The fuck are you posting capeshit for, faggot?

Turn speed is so integrated into the game now though. They balance entire heroes and abilities around it.

Friendly reminder that you must have at least this rank for your opinion of the game to actually matter.

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EE's PA set is the best set and only good thing associated to that guy aside from the memes.

Google "change resistance"

i was expecting a different answer, of course people don't like changes but expected some game breaking stuff like removing turn rates, removing denying, unlimited tps, basically making it lol

Pro-tip: When people say DOTA is turning into LoL they have no idea what they are talking about. I remember when PL got his rework people were saying he was basically a LoL champ.

>People being generally averse to change means any change is good and desirable!

Truly a deep and original thought.

fake
wrong, git gud
it upset one of the most balanced metas, Icefrog basically threw a rock into a pond, that said 7.00 doesn't exist anymore so it's amusign to see people keep bitching about it

lol
gay
fake
yes

blame blizzard

not really
you'd have to be retarded to think PL is a LoL champ

You and I know that, but people really got butthurt over it for some reason.

i was too late to the party and couldn't be bothered to invest 1000+ hours just to become a decent player

Heres my profile Not fake
dotabuff.com/players/89774211

it takes less than 200 to become a "decent" player, it takes thousands to become a competitive one

I mostly stopped playing around 6.86 but I played a little bit on and off until 7.0 when I uninstalled and quit forever

>shortly after they put in ranked MMR
>2016
>shortly
>3 years
okay liar

when they introduced talent system
switched to league of legends in a heartbeat

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Shortly after the beta when I realized everyone that plays it is insufferably autistic.

My guy theres ONE game in 2016 from there are you legally blind?

>i dont know a lot but im lonely also so please read my paragraphs
Lawl

why?

7.00

You do know we can see the latest matches right?

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wrong

also love on retards that think that because they played Dota a dozen patches and multiple years ago, think they have ANY knowledge or authority of the game or they're somehow equal to 4.5k MMR now compared to before despite MMR decay, likely skill decay, and players in 2019 being >>>> much better than players from 2016

Because I didn't like it, obviously. LoL is closer to OG DotA than nu-DotA 2, that's a sad reality we live in.

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How so? Not trying to start a debate or something like that but I want to hear your thoughts how LoL is closer to OG DOTA.

what are you smoking i want some

do you have a single fact to back that up

The average player might be better, but every actually good player always bails on games once they start stagnating, only the mediocre players stick around and become the new "good" players.

with the 2

oh man, this'll get some replies

pretty convenient how you're one of the replies

>every actually good player
lmao how fucking WRONG can you be
TI players are literally still the fucking old guard pro skill WC3 players, people like Dendi, Yaphets and Yamateh, Puppey, are still playing Dota. Kill yourself

Hasn't Dendi retired from DOTA?

because its true, and this makes the dota2 fags seethe

A few diehard onetricks will stick around because they can't hack it in any other games, sure, but they're not really any different from the mediocre players other than time invested is even higher.

that's accurate for LoL, not Dota

>B-b-but it's not 7.00 anymore!

Shut the fuck up. As long as the game has that trashy mechanic where the team that's behind gains more gold and xp from kills and as long as characters can't utilize the jungle as a significant source of gold and xp and as long as characters with less net worth arbitrarily give less gold on death it will always be Nu-Dota.

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>because its true
As much as I dislike post 7.00 Dota, I don't think I agree with that. Pretty curious to hear your argument though.

New Valve is certainly a lot closer to Riot though and these retards still give them money.

It's not 7.00 anymore, lmao how dumb are you that you have to DENY reality to try and """prove""" some point.
>M-MUH DOTA IS BAD BECAUSE 7.00
>It's not 7.00 anymore
>S-SHUT UP

It doesn't matter that it's not 7.0 anymore because the same design philosophies that made the game garbage starting in 6.8X are still in the game today.

like what lmao, do you have a SINGLE thing to back that up

>As long as the game has that trashy mechanic where the team that's behind gains more gold and xp from kills
This is how it always worked and when it got to the worst point, which was 6.8X and not 7.X, it was reduced significantly
>as long as characters can't utilize the jungle as a significant source of gold and xp
They literally can, it's just you need to occasionally stack and rotate from jungle to lane instead of sitting there like a fucking bitch boy. Not to mention Naga and Drow live and die off of jungle these days after they get a certain ability.
>characters with less net worth arbitrarily give less gold on death
How is this a bad thing at all? If you are killing them so much that the gold and XP you get form them is borderline nothing then you should have finished the game ages ago.

Yeah dude are you so retarded that you can't even do basic math? 7.00 is NOT EQUAL to 7.21. QED. Now go away and ban yourself.

imagine not knowing how to use the jungle in 2019

Dota 2 "reborn" and 7.00 killed the game.

not really
also no poster count change

>This is how it always worked

No it's not you retard, characters had bounties if they went on kill streaks but you didn't just magically get more money for killing other members of their team because your team's networth was lower.

>They literally can, you just need to rotate from lane to jungle

Yeah way to prove my point. Btw can you just jungle and come out 6 levels ahead like in the image in a normal game? I bet you can't, because no matter how much of an xp lead you can squeak out the game will just rubber band the enemies to you as soon as it can.

>How is this a bad thing

It makes supporting fucking brainless because now you are considered a half team member so "who cares if I die I'm not worth as much xD"

>play one game with my friend
>get paired into his level
>run out of time to choose a champ
>"You see that fire guy?"
>Pick him
>"NO I WAS GONNA SAY PICK THE GUY NEXT TO HIM"
>feed and lose
>dont play any more in part because i suck but also because it wasnt fun
Why didnt my friend just say "pick the guy next to the fire guy" geez

It is a new poster

>Btw can you just jungle and come out 6 levels ahead like in the image in a normal game?
I thought everyone hated that strategy because it made the worst TI ever where the chink teams just riced in the jungle for 60+ minutes?

haven't stopped
the meta is a tad stale atm but NOTHING will EVER be as bad as the main attribute bonus crap
also, tag team is the biggest bullshit in the game atm. Yes, even more than drow just ward her jungle and never push highground w/o picks :^)

>I thought everyone hated that strategy because it made the worst TI ever where the chink teams just riced in the jungle for 60+ minutes?

They did, but it was part of the game and meant to be a valid strategy. You don't remove strategies just because it's not exciting for "muh digital sports", now everyone plays essentially the same fucking strategy instead of the interesting push and pull we had between the 3 playstyles of rat farm and push.

I don't remember the specific patch but there was a short time period post warrunner nerf where almost any team comp or strategy was viable if you picked and played right and everything had well balanced pros and cons. Then they just started making tons of fuck-you changes to it just to shake things up.

During 6.87/8 I was already tired but still playing from time to time. 7.00 was the end and the one with the pixar heroes was the final point of never returning again.

so sad that the game is so irrelevant that the fanart is minimum and mediocre

They play a game with a hero voiced by Ashley Burch and they still have the gall to mock LoL.

patch before Mars
I have no motivation to play at all anymore which is pretty ironic considering I was tryharding the fuck out of ranked before Mars, Visage/Brood mid every game

don't forget the rick and morty announcer pack

So I'm curious how many of the current player numbers are people playing autochess?

>not really
>no poster count change
ironic since with dota in 7.00 the players number rise and then fall even harder.

Even more salient, almost none of the current playercount is English speaking anymore.

never, im not a fag and i love the game

game isn't 7.00 and it hit a new highest ever count this year
this year's TI prizepool is also like 25% larger for the same time frame

>tfw got conviced to reinstall by a friend
Are the new Turbo mode and Overthrow less '''toxic''' than 5v5? I quit pre-7.0 so I have a lot to catch up on.

Why does Valve keep shilling this shit on Yea Forums suddenly?

I think I quit just before talents were introduced. It was fun for a while, and I really liked the cast of characters, just got bored after nearly 1k hrs. Pic related was my boi.

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How many of those are just playing autochess? I would guess at least half and even that's being generous to you.

Also the size of the prize pool is not indicative of a high player count (and hasn't been for the past few years), it's indicative of how much they're milking the remaining playerbase. This should be pretty fucking obvious.

yes
cause you're retarded

When talents were put in the game and the player base was atrocious.
I've since gone back now and then on a casual basis. Valve is on track to smash last year's ti pool though, so I guess it's moot.

back to back to back tournaments if i had to guess
dont sperg at people for making multiplayer video game threads

I mean there has never really been Dota threads on Yea Forums before and even the general is dead.
After the shitstorm that was 7.0 most people left the game and the game is basically now just a spectator game for the clique e-sports.

Oh they've always been here, albeit infrequently.

Basically there are some people here who want to talk about the game but not on d2g, and can you really blame them?

holy fuck d2g was so bad back when i browsed i cant imagine now

>friends convince me to reinstall
>think it might be fun
>play like 4 games where we get absolutely destroyed
>lose like 2 hours of my life
I don't understand how you can enjoy these games.

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stop spreading lies, you massive sc2 faggot

Consider the level of delusion of the average star citizen fan. Increase it tenfold. Then throw in a bunch of tired 6 years old memes and you have d2g

git gud

When ranked ladder proved useless as always.

It's just a broken concept, it means match variety goes WAY the fuck down because your opponents will always be roughly around your level. The only variance is of a particularly obnoxious variety where the game tries to balance the overall ranking of players to a shared average, so you can be stuck with a 3k MMR carry as a 6k MMR support. Unranked has the same issues since MMR is still a thing even there.

This retarded matchmaking ruined SC2, and it ruined Dota2 as well, fuck this system.

7.0

When they raped techies with 7.00

To be fair 95% of d2g is only talking about e-sports and e-sports drama, no actual game discussion.

>"OMG the teams and the players that have been playing against each other for over 5 years now are doing it again!!"

name a better ranked system, oh wait you can't because all ranked systems fundamentally test your current perceived skill level vs your current perceived skill level

also you're wrong when "match variety goes" down because that ignores climbing and dropping, 3k vs 3k's only look like that but a month later some dude is 4k or 5k, then it's not "really" 3k vs 3ks because no one is ever at their true MMR

About 5 games in when I realized I was fighting the shit camera zoom and UI in general more than my opponents

When my friends also lost interest. It's sad because I was only ever friends with them because of Dota and now I don't really talk to them any more. Dota becoming stale killed my friendships

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it was before MMR was publicly visible but people were already mining it on sites like dotabuff, but this is basically what made me quit

games were literal coinflips where they'd fill some lowlevel player because it couldn't fill enough good players, they'd be massively outclassed in lane and die ~10 times in a few minutes and the rest of the game would be slow choke farming that was impossible to lose, so whichever team got the fill player was doomed regardless of what they did

>name a better ranked system
League of Legend unironically.

Dota 2 probably have the worst single ranked system I've ever seen and I know so many people that have stopped playing the game thanks to it.

League of Legends is the same system you fucking retard
>stopping because of a ranking system
x Doubt

Lol rank system is dumb intentionally gives you worthless pos teammates in the games that are weighted more heavily.

>Got rid of runes being fought for
>Added the skill tree
Those two pretty much killed the game for me

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LoL already had a skill tree though

I never played it. I played DOTA customs on WC3, then HoN, and then League up until Season 2, and haven't played a MOBA since Season 2 League.

I did install DOTA2 recently to play Auto-Chess though, if that counts.

League of legends got seasons that resets your ranking, Dota has the same MMR ever since it was introduced with soft resets that barely changed your numbers.

A guy that played Dota in 2014 and abused the current OP hero of the patch to climb does today still have a high MMR thanks to that. Even if today that same hero can't be abused to climb MMR anymore and he would not be able to do so again.
And lets not talk about the actual ranked game mode, you can either PAY real money to paly role queue that allows you to pick your role or play ranked AP in which bans are RANDOM. The way to climb MMR in Dota is just to abuse the current OP hero of the patch and if you get last pick you just pick a hero that needs a hard counter and automatically win the game.

In LoL you can actually ban the OP heroes and you have a pick order. They also reset your "mmr" every season so you have to climb again.

And lets not start to talk about how it can take up to 30+min to find a game if you are high MMR in Dota.

I never played LoL.

Moved to London from sheepland
Linux laptop only
Install dota 2
“Dota 2 requires OpenGL X.Y”
Can’t update shitty laptop
At least I play good games now

I find LoL really frustrating because on most patches there are more must-ban heroes than there are vans so one of them invariably gets through.

I got tired of playing games thhat rely on other humans to be fun and not a stomp.

Pre-TI8, got sick of the toxicity after >5 years

Last played: Oct. 2015

this Rubberbanding fucking comeback bullshit is why i get upset as fuck when i decide to do a match. just the other day i qeue'd up and all 3 lanes on my team were stomping them and then out of nowhere their mid was 5 lvls higher than anyone on my team even though he was destroyed mid. next thing we know, were getting bursted down in seconds and suddenly the game is unwinnnable. we had like 15 more kills than them and they pulled out the rubberbands.

7.0
Tried again when Mars came out. Its just not the same anymore.

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>tfw in the end HoN was more of a true successor to DotA than Dota 2 ever was.

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>LoL is closer to OG dota
Not in any single feasible fucking way. From items to lanes to map to summoner spells to spellbooks and so much fucking more. Guranteed replies fuck you faggot

>Name a better ranked system
Literally just based on winrate and not some hackneyed "mmr" which means "you will only ever play games similar to the last game you played" and creates extremely state, tryhard metagames because every part of the ladder will have people trying to climb and getting upset at anyone not doing whatever is most powerful in their eyes.

>Hurrr durrr climbing and dropping
Nice try retard but that is simply not relevant here at all, the only thing this comment proves is that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about, fucking clown.

Isn’t mmr literally the same as win rate? You go up over time if above 50%, down if below.

Post peak Dota addiction.
Assuming each game was at least 40 minutes that is 10 hours straight in one day

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The whole enemy team is missing, quick, post you're favorite hero!

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Around TI3.

That was the very peak of Dota and we will never go back to that time...

Speaking about the next TI, is the prize pool getting bigger this year either by gaben inflating it or real buyins or is this the year the charm will wear off?

>Heroes

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2015.
Now I'm back at it, it is even worse, but I'm in a self harm moment of my life.

whenever the retard shrines and sub skill things were added

Probably the most pathetic day of my entire life.

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Probably inflated by sponsors and Valve itself.
Don't forget that the e-sport scene is 100% just a big clique, the whole system to even let you play at TI is tailored so that only the already established teams have a chance to even attend.
For like 5 years now it's been nearly the same teams and players fighting against each others over and over and over again with barely any fresh blood added.
I dare you to defend why players like EE and Bulba is still part of the competitive scene.

Dota is also losing more and more players each day and only reason why it has a "more players" on steamcharts right now is because of Auto chess, around 25% of the current players in dota 2 right now are playing it.

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You do realize why the TI prize pool is so high already right?

Chinese nationalism.

The chinks aren't going to let the first TI in China be the first TI that doesn't surpass the previous year's amount made.

you guys didn't even mention how much the Compendium- oh sorry it's called a Battle Pass now- encourages whaling. I used to be able to buy the Compendium and have all the rewards it comes with, including the main seller for me, the new map cosmetic. Now everyone has to unlock the stretch goals individually. What's that? You don't have time to play 5 games of dota a day to get your pass to level 300? Well shit guess you should just spend money on pass levels! And if you hit level 1000 you get a real life miniature aegis! Not that you could EVER get that with just a base battle pass. Fuck valve.

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Mid 2017 so probably 7,05ish
I don't recall why but all matches then were not as fun and they were lasting too long. I thoguht about going back into it later but then my friends had moved on from it and I definately don't want to play that game with random teammates.

TI4 was fucking terrible but everything leading up to it was fantastic. It was the end of an era that died to a desire for "professionalism in esports," whatever the fuck that is.

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>a real life miniature aegis!
i actually got the Roshan figure by grinding my ass trough the game and it was as shitty as you'd expect, but this year's compendium has nothing of value on the lower levels
Not even the new items seem like they are worth it and for some reason we have another cosmetic for Axe This time without the axe but Oracle Underlord Pango and willow are still very bare bones and we dont even have flavor text on the new items/cosmetics

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>League of legends got seasons that resets your ranking, Dota has the same MMR ever since it was introduced with soft resets that barely changed your numbers.
thanks for confirmined you don't play Dota

And another thing with nu-dota, what the fuck is up with all the over the top particle effects and cosmetics?
Gold shit everywhere, cosmetics that totally break the colour scheme of a character. It's a big clusterfuck.

Remember when people got upset by sets like Alphine ursa or Drows cat ears?

I remember my games being unplayable during the phantom assassin arcana event. I stopped for while and didn't come back for almost 2 years. I play in spurts since.

This but with LoL. Got banned was pissed at first then realized I was finally fucking free and boy did it feel good.

same with LoL, they added all these dumb as fuck skins
>muh pool party and partying grrrrl gamer clothes

play RTS then?

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Only the best.

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yea, valves getting deperate and it shows recently

the shitty cosmetics even changes the skill particle effects, and at one point i didnt know there was an earthshaker until he ult in one game. that was when im slowly quitting in 2016

i fucking love her design and animation, shame shes a backseat support when she first came out in dota2

No, it's not. MMR is a score system that tries to match you to people with the same score, winrate determining "rank" does not try to match you to people with a similar winrate.

>pick hard carry
>as you're destroying the ancient spend all your gold on wards
>tell the enemy team they just lost to a support [hard carry]
>watch them seethe

Classic

Reminder nu-dota will die to classic pretty much everybody who plays or played dota played classic and they are all going back

when i stopped being able to solo carry even if i went 24/1/12 on qop

that was the day i quit, i finally realized that u could no longer just solo carry the game anymore, every hero had so much health, all the supports had 2-3 defensive items, and the carries got back into the game just from killing me once and my teammates a couple times

for me that was when dota was dead because personally what i valued in dota was that even though it was a team game, if you really played out of control good you could stomp the game and end it

but with 8 different layers of armor and extra health and 3 different instances of fortify and enemy mid getting back into the game by having shrines and bottle etc

it was just clear to me that the good old days of dota were gone and a new age of communist "spread the wealth, everyone deserves to have fun" had been created

no thanks, i play dota 1 once in awhile but now the dota 1 guys got bored of dota 1 so they are trying to update it to the new shitty dota 2 patches RIP

Not true wowcuck, I never played classic
I'm also sure the majority of turd worlders that infest DotA never did either

after they nerfed lich to death
recently i started playing again but it's just not the same without my main man

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CUTE

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>Not true wowcuck, I never played classic
>I'm also sure the majority of turd worlders that infest DotA never did either
Yea but the few white people left did shitskin and they are leaving the sinking ship

>stopped cold turkey in 2014 right as Techies were releasing
>decide to give it another go last December
>it's still fun
I don't see why anyone would ever play other games in the genre.

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Nope

>Nope
Cope

>Cope
Soap

September 2018
Because one little mistake has to ruin the fucking game and Techies and Wraith King kept getting nerfed to hell while PA gets untouched

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I miss playing as these 3 assholes

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>League of legends got seasons that resets your ranking.

>They also reset your "mmr" every season so you have to climb again.

This is 100% completely false. You have a hidden mmr the first time you calibrate ranked it will always stick with you. Seasons are soft resets it is completely impossible to calibrate silver one season and the next season end up gold 2-3 or plat.

If anything LoL system will actually place you lower than your rank the season before but give you massive lp boosts when you win for a dopamine effect to encourage you to climb.

>You have a hidden mmr
I never understood how that shit worked, even as someone who played the game for 5 years

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... exactly the same as regular MMR only it's never visible to the player?

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so on release? lmao
akasha could never win games completely solo, if your team refused to push after you win them lanes/fights you were always fucked

more like the mechanics behind it, how to raise it, etc

if you're talking regular MMR, then after initial placement it's literally just win geam for + points
if you're talking about hidden MMR, then exactly the same way

When they completely reworked the map and i realised that assfaggots are a waste of fucking time and doing the same thing over and over again is madness

PURE SKILL

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after getting 5k mmr, then came back with new ranked system, got lower rank and realised getting immortal would be pain in the ass and not worth it so i stopped palying it

3 or so years ago.

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