Danganronpa 53 Ending

How so? I thought the developers wanted to do a meta narrative beginning from the 2nd game, and it was really interesting development, albeit an obvious one.
Could you elaborate?

Good idea but meh execution. It was still enjoyable.

In what way?

>game is about despair
>gets mad when the developers tried to inflict the players with the same feeling of despair that the characters were feeling
There was nothing wrong with the ending.

They could have been under the effects of a flashback light though. Plus that doesn’t line up with what happens in the prologue.

Yeah it was pretty good. Especially considering that all DR endings suck due to the nature of the series

reduced every other game/anime in the series to "lol, reality TV"

The only this I think is lacking in the execution is that the idea of "us" being the viewers, kinda falls flat in the game mechanics department. We abstain from voting and continuing the minigames, but we still jump between characters, so that doesn't really match
But if you follow the idea that "the outside world" is the fictional outside world that was invented for the show, then it kinda works, I guess?

Nope

It was great for dabbing on the danganronpa 2 and shitt spinoffs world storyline, "Yeah that was all garbage.". It was also good for definitively ending the series which was quickly entereing soulless cash cow territory.

Which makes the ending more impactful in a way that people who don't want t continue status quo and stillness of the show want to end it for good? i hope they won't make any more sequels.

The only thing I didn't like about the ending were the last survivors, they offed the interesting characters and left us with the bich ones.

Now that the dust has settled, did he do anything wrong at all?

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>danganronpa 2 and shitt spinoffs world storyline
The characters and interactions were really great though
>It was also good for definitively ending the series which was quickly entereing soulless cash cow territory.
I agree, although i wouldn't mind a fighting game spin-off with all the characters

No it didn’t.
Those are games and anime that exist in the world of V3, thus they take place in a different universe. It’s implied that they didn’t use ultimate real fiction until at least Danganronpa 10.
Plus, even if in the V3 universe they were all reality TV, that doesn’t change the original universe the games take place in. It just means that in the world of V3, there was a killing game show that happened to line up with the Danganronpa we know from the games.

You know it

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I want him to be my girlfriend.

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>No it didn’t.

except the game itself proves you wrong.

I hope they make more Danganronpa games though, I love the concept and gameplay.

The concept and gameplay can stay, but hope/despair/future/rejection and all the other elements should be out. Maybe an easter egg with Monokuma plushie, but the storyline and world should be 100% unrelated

>except the game itself proves you wrong.
No it didn’t.
The game itself proves you wrong bitch. Did you even read what I said?

Weren't we supposed to get a fighting game or something?

Fuck hope

Wasn't a fan of how there was no concrete explanation of anything that can't just be thrown away with "maybe she lied" but it was certainly hype as fuck and a much better moral dilemma than the other two.

If it does, and you are right, care to elaborate how the game does it?

Par for the course, if you didn't expect the worst characters to survive you've never played a Danganronpa.

Yeah, the best in the series. That’s not saying much tho’

What really baffles me, is that V3 explicitly says several times that the hope won 53 times in a row.
Wasn't I thought F U T U R E won 2nd game.

Where is the series going to go now?
The only other option they have is to make ether 52 or a full reboot of the franchise

Are you stupid? You literally replied to the post where I explained it.
Plus the burden of proof is not on me. Why don’t you prove that it does ruin the series?

It also said Junko was the mastermind every single time, and she wasn't in 3.

I'd rather enjoy a reboot of 1 where the characters slowly gain self awareness that they've done this all already and implementing the original Distrust mechanics.

Ah I see, you have no reading comprehension

The series is over. They literally scream “Together we’re going to end danganronpa.”

Now that's what I call ironic.

It shouldn't go anywhere, it was a farewell to the series.

I love my gorgeous wife!

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I love Ouma!

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Still no arguement, and as you are implying, the only post with explanation proves the point that "V3 devalues all previous games" wrong

Please enlighten me. Because from where I’m sitting it looks like you are the one with no reading comprehension.

From my point of view going into the ending I saw it as one big fuck you to all of the fans, with you fighting the audience and ending “danganronpa”.
But apparently all you need to do to direct or remove any bit of that from yourself is to mention it in a fucking interview that it wasn’t your intention and all of the blame goes away immediately.

bro, you are literally speaking nonsense to me. please learn how to talk.

Fanboys are retarded, of course they're going to chimp out when a game calls them out or otherwise shits on them because they're too retarded to understand the underlying themes. Kodaka's just a hack that severely overestimated his audience's mental capacity beyond "oooohh murder and cute girls make my dick hard."

Was he gay?

Pretty gay shit right there

>2 people murdered
>sets up the possibility of 2 different killers
>its possible one killer actually getting off scot free because one of the murders doesn't count
>turns out the same person murdered both anyway
well that was disappointing

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yeah it almost seems like they were going to have 2 murderers originally but pussied out, especially considering how rushed everything with angies death was

Worth it for see-saw memes

>especially considering how rushed everything with angies death was
Credit where it's due, they didn't actually half ass the double murder this time. I felt they gave pretty equal billing to both girls' deaths. But maybe that's only in comparison to how badly Ishimaru and Hiyoko got plot shafted.

The only fuck you is toward people who want the same thing over and over again, which is why Tsumugi kept going on about what Danganronpa should be and how to give the viewers what they want forever. I think people are a little too obsessed with sequels and tend to refuse to let good things just be as they are, so I really liked it. It was nice to see someone put their foot down directly in the game itself. That's it. It's over. No headcanons or fanfiction or what ifs or petitions or fan campaigns will change it.

He made three games and then said “I think this is too many” and went for the fuck danganronpa ending.
He could of done a good allegory for Tsumugi, making her a representation of people taking danganronpa to the extreme. But no, we have to fight the fans of the show and end the show itself, no middle ground or thought provoking ending like from one or two. Just one big fuck you to his fans with a bullshit theory bait prologue.

It was too meta for my tastes. A story being meta or breaking the fourth wall is good when its brief or used for a gag. The best part about the ending was how they managed to use the first trial again.

If the goal was to end the series once and for all they couldn't have made a better ending.

Worst ending in the series. I understand the other endings weren't the best but this took a huge dump on the game, especially with the poor writing and execution.

And fuck the trials repeating the same patterns yet again. It seemed clever in 2 but now it's just all lazy.

Epilogue proved kodaka has no balls

the dust was settled a year ago and yes it was a good ending, pretty kino

>Where is the series going to go now?
Why do people act like a series as batshit insane as DR can be written into a corner? The tech is magic, the villains have off the wall motivation, there's zero concern about realism, and every single game has gone out of its way to do some crazy rug pull twist in the end. Clever writers who love the franchise have plenty of space to work within.

they ended the show called Danganronpa but the concept itself can still exist in that universe, remember that people like Monaka exists

some crazy waifu fag can recreate Danganronpa again

Was fairly interesting, but didn't make up for the rest of the game feeling uninspired. Kodaka presumably went into writing the game with only the ending and the protag switch in mind.

>didn't like the ending
>but it's an alt universe so who cares
>just play previous Dangan games instead now
It's a shame as I was enjoying it up to the last case even if my enjoyment dropped a little after they killed Miu.

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It's hilarious because that was the easy assumption to come to with each game.
Cameras and such Broadcasting the killing to the World in 1, meaning its gotta be reality TV Killing
Then Cameras and such in 2, meaning its broadcast to someone of some kind, probably as a means of being reality TV

Then after both being shot down it's come back to V3 where the whole point IS reality TV, and not just reality TV but a world where its so loved the people who love the Reality TV volunteer to be rewritten to take part in said Reality TV

Also, if you think an interesting premise can't come from the idea of something being reality TV or an idea/feeling you got from a piece of fiction then youre incredibly narrow. If 1 and 2 made you excited, did V3 truly erase the merit you really had for those stories? Isnt V3 correct in that regard that those fictions have affected you in some form?

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What if everyone who “died” during the killing game walked out from behind tsumugi to congratulate shuichi, if it’s all fictional then the deaths should be too.
Make everyone an actor but shuichi, have the game end with him getting sent off to the next killing game.

I’m fine with it all being fake, that’s a cool idea. The execution is just awful

I think the prologue was more that their new memories weren't fully implanted yet when they woke up. So they were only half-mind wiped and didn't know what the hell was going on and reacted as such.

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So help me God if you give me this look one more time I will dick you into oblivion.

This. And the themes dovetailed nicely with the creator's concern about franchises expanding as products outside any original meaning, and it did it without taking itself too seriously.

I cannot relate to people who think previous games can be retroactively ruined by an ending you didn't like. These are discrete pieces of media. There is no actual "world" of DR being unwritten. Nobody George Lucas edited the old games to change their content. Almost every franchise turns to shit at some point if it doesn't get put down by its creator- it doesn't change the part that was good.

Why does this get meme'd and not the gravel in the swimsuit truth bullet? It was 1000x worse.

Danganronpa 27 was better

Hoo boy, that one took a lot of thought because I was thrown off by being told the weapon was something featured in the game.

It literally wasn't; it was only mentioned being missing.

Am I the only one not triggered by the ending? I only ended up getting confused because I wasn't sure if the game was trying to break the fourth wall for us (the real pictures of actual people didn't help) or if it was actually breaking the fourth wall within their own world. The latter doesn't happen often so I found it interesting.

And TFW you end up guessing the mastermind because you forgot about a trait explicitly mentioned to drive guilt away from them.

Didn't mind the ending itself. My issue is that so much of the game from lackluster and uninspired. Quite literally uninspired because it was bogged down by the formulas of the previous games. It's like everything was all for the ending twist and that's just bad. Doesn't help that the execution was shoddy. Having Tsumugi as the mastermind was a terrible fucking idea, and honestly is the direct manifestation of what I mentioned above. A nothing character right until the end, where they try to explain why she was shit, but doesn't really change that we had to put up with this for several dozen hours.

>concept wise
It wasnt a bad idea
>execution
It was terrible outside of sushi saying fuck danganronpa and thots deserve the rope. No, it was terrible outside of the idea. You just don't waste 2 fucking hours back and forth pushing the shitty ass explanation over and over just so the players are like "well I understand muh feelings are what mattered the most even if it wasn't the real deal"
Still love v3 tho aesthetic wise especially

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This is correct

We should have seen more audition videos for the other contestants. Imagine if we saw someone like Gonta audition because he wanted to kill people. Or if Maki realises that her assassin talent was something the pre-game version of her actually wanted.
The whole 'willing participants for a TV show' twist should have been way more impactful than it actually was, given what we know about the characters.

Most accurate post so far.

>use the same formulas for each chapter, actively avoid trying anything new (to the point where new ideas are brought up and then never used)
>regurgitate the same hope-despair bullshit we've seen before
>"this is what the fans want!"

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Just having kaede, shuichi and kaito really sucks. At least show rantaro or kokichi’s videos

no

This is very much the point. Tsumugi is the crystallization of V3, because she wrote the script. Everything bad about the game will naturally be traced back to her (incompetence) Way I see it, Kodaka thought he had a good idea and it is an interesting one...but not well thought out. He overestimated how receptive his fans would be to said idea.

If you guys want to complain about something complain about how the cheating ass mastermind from v3 got best girl killed and denied us from a female protag for once. Still can't believe they allowed a mastermind to break the rules like that.

For Danganronpa enmding standards it was a masterpiece

V3 is a strong case of "This makes sense/This is a logical explanation" which makes me want to award points. But then I'm left with "Despite that, does that really change how hackneyed the game was?"

The people who say yes are the ones who have V3 as their favorites. The ones who say no, generally place it as the worst main game.

I still feel 2 is the best in the series.

Also meta in a good, evenhanded way

Danganronpa 1 was the worst by far
>least interesting characters
>Junko is a shit villain
>gameplay was the worst and most unrefined of the series

“Cause it’s a game!” Is ten times better then “FICTION”

Kaede was a nothing character who was rehashing old points from Maizono. How was this best girl?
> female protag for once
This would not have affected the quality of the game...and Komaru/Ryoko already exist.

>Still can't believe they allowed a mastermind to break the rules like that.
Junko broke the rules since the first game. What was terrible wasn't even Tsumugi forcing that kill, but because her motive was literally "Kill or die" which is absolutely not how the killing game is supposed to work. Absolutes like that are the worst.

It's honestly one of the most generic, cop-out endings a franchise can do. Kodaka obviously can't write metafiction like that. Only two games in the series have a decent ending, though. After 2, the series really began shitting itself.

Best ending in the series. One of the best endings in video games.

>least interesting characters
Haha what,
I knew more about them without playing any shitty free time events.
Let me guess, v3 is your favorite cast? Which one of them is interesting to you?

>most believable characters
>Junko makes sense as a villain, Tsumugi is a garbage villain and 2 Junko is bad

>Danganronpa 1 was the worst by far
Not even close. It had the strongest atmosphere, the best killing game conceptually, and the least retarded ending
>Junko is a shit villain
Yet she is still the best villain in the series by a mile, except maybe Monaca. That tells you how substandard the others were.
>gameplay was the worst
Who gives a fuck about the gameplay? Minigames distract from the trial. By V3 there were so many tedious additions that the trial dragged endlessly. The lie element was also very poorly handled. DR2 was the most balanced in this regard.

Chiaki is fat_

V3 is a heap of wasted potential and the final chapter was a massive rushjob that felt like babbies first metafiction commentary.
fitting for who wrote it really.

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>>least interesting characters
HAHA, THEY'RE NOT WACKY SO THEY'RE SHIT.

Fuck off. DR1 probably handled their characters best. We didn't need to read FTEs to get a hang on the characterization. We'd see it in the main story. Not to mention all of them were believable, save Celeste and even that can be debated.

Angie

Eh, i like 2 but i wouldn't call it the best.
>shit motives
>shit executions
>most people not called nagito/kuzuryuu don't have any sort of development in the entire game
>chapter 3 is the single worst one in every way.

Kaede was active and dynamic and had heavy input in the plot while she lasted. Shuichi was a passive doormat until the last ten minutes.
The UI was also much better suited to a more expressive protagonist since you could see their reactions. Shuichi and his reactions were so generic they might as well not have bothered.

>>gameplay was the worst and most unrefined of the series
>FUCKING GAMEPLAY
These are some of the worst parts of Danganronpa. The more they added, the worse it got because they are filler, derailing the tension of the moment.

danganronpa is kinda shit
only good for waifus/husbandos

Ah ok so a rapist sheltered child who starts a cult a believes in a fake god and dies for nothing is interesting to you.
Good to know that everyone still only plays these games for the shitty waifus

>Kaede was active and dynamic and had heavy input in the plot while she lasted.
Fair enough. An active protag would have been different.

Miu is literally the most interesting character of the series.

Was an edgy and nonsensical character. The literal Kiyotaka of V3. Died just as their character arc was getting somewhere and rendered ultimately irrelevant to the story.

Cospox didn't appear for any of the old characters. You can argue it's a handwave so there's no doubt during the investigations but still.

DR1's cast were of one-word traits extrapolated into shallow characters. The other games suffer from this as well, but it wasn't as egregious as in DR1 where their entire being is obvious after their first line.

Who got butchered because kodaka hated her

>blonde bimbo say funny naughty words and act like a dumb whore haha best character in the series

Danganronpa's flare is all about appeal and presentation. 1's cast are the least grabbing and pandering of the main games, which is why they're considered inferior by most.

I think that's a dumb idea personally, because Class 78 was most suited to the overall killing game concept and were the most realistic participants by far. The game was so fluid that there were only 3 killers and one of them wasn't even planned.

Scott cawthon better take some tips from Kodaka on extending your series's lifespan.
Just add a bunch of plot points that contradict each other and then people will never stop talking about your game

Imagine liking the cast of 2 over 1 because your imaginary girlfriend is in it

Yes. Who cares if it was all fiction you can still go back and enjoy the previous games.

>tfw the ending predicted how fans would react to the literal ending of the danganronpa franchise
how can anybody but idiots not recognize this 5000iq power play

>HAHA, THEY'RE NOT WACKY SO THEY'RE SHIT.
Being utterly boring and uninteresting doesn't make them good.

The biggest shame is that it's actually Shuichi who does the most in the first chapter, not Kaede. But after he removes his hat he resigns to sulk about her death and observe everyone else being led into obvious murder setups without any precautionary measures.
But then he solves all the murders completely on his own. He's basically Captain Hindsight.

Chiaki - perfect gamer waifu
Sonia - Japanesefag foreign exchange student that completely wastes her political potential
Akane - MEAT AND TITS LOL
Et fucking cetera.

1's cast had actual substance that could be seen in the game. Sayaka and Chihiro show more characterization than anyone not named Komaeda and Fuyuhiko. Makes sense too because DR2 might as well be the Komaeda show ft. Fuyuhiko.

What memorable characters did 1 even have? Junko on account of being forced, Makoto because he was the main character, Kyoko, Toko and Byakuga. 5 characters out of the entire cast and one of them was shit.
It's not like Danganronpa has many villains to choose from considering they kept forcing Junko. Counting Semi villains both Nagito and Kokichi were much better. Even Monokuma is more interesting than "lol so random" Junko with her personality change gimmick

1's cast felt like regular kids for the most part. 2's cast is filled with flanderized fanservice retards

>Being utterly boring
You just spelled DR2's cast, because asides Komaeda, Fuyuhiko (who is pretty one note despite his development and Mikan, they are all shallow bores

Man the first case of DRV3 was kino as fuck.

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>What memorable characters did 1 even have?
Interesting that you said memorable and not "good".

You'd still be wrong, because Makoto, Kyoko, Togami, Junko, Chihiro and Kiyotaka (this is a weird one for me but he is) are some of the most popular characters in the series

It's going nowhere considering that the main writer, artist, and composer are all gone.

heh... footyuhiko toesuryuu

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Well, it may just be me but I don't get how anyone can like Junko. Later entries and the anime just made me dislike her even more

I mean, sure, until you realize you're stuck for the rest of the game with the worst protagonist in the series.
Not that Kaede was that much better, but she at least seemed more interesting than another detective.

Taka
Chihiro
Leon
Celeste
Mondo
Sakura

No idea why people who aren’t fat gingers or girls who cut themselves like toko

Don't judge a character in the first game based on appearances afterward.

Danganronpa v3 was actually a criticism and a parody of the DR RPs that tumblr likes doing.

It didn’t seem like that
But if he did go the full fuck tumblr route the game would be great

The fact she could enjoy her own despair, to me, means she has no free will and thus is not as evil as the series wants us to believe.

>tfw you are in despair

>don't judge a character by their character
???

>Entire fucking moral of the finale is the power fiction has on people
>Game itself is also fictional
>"WTF THIS FICTIONAL STORY IS TELLING ME MY FICTIONAL STORY WAS FICTION!?"

Literally why the fuck does this invalidate anything to you when the stories were fake to begin with? Those events didn't happen in real life, user so why is it that these games also being fake in this particular game ruin everything for you?

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UDG but Toko was shit in the first game. Worst girl if Mukuro wasn't literally just a plot device at this point.

Celeste is the only one memorable out of those.

If everything is fiction based around seasons of killing games, how does that tie into Makoto/Kyoko/Byakuya going into Future Foundation after their killing game? If it's all fiction based solely around the killing games, why is that a thing? Surely the surviving DR cast would be offered the Survivor perk or to return to the regular, peaceful society? What's the deal with Towa City and Komaru/Toko having to fight off Monokumas? That's not a killing game either. How come the protagonists of V3 only discover about the events of the first two killing games and none of the other 50 outside of 'oh Rantaro came from the other one'? I haven't seen the DR3 anime yet, so I can't comment about that.

If it ISN'T all fiction, how come Tsumugi could cosplay the DR1/2 cast without getting that 'cospox' bullshit? What's the deal with all the cameras around in DR2? How come Monokuma acts on his own in the final trial, independent of Tsumugi's input? How come we assume a world wrecked by strife previously would settle to watch the same killing game bullshit that was perpetuated by the original perpetrator of the downfall of society? Would the Future Foundation not step in to stop people being actually fucking murdered on live TV for a 'hope vs despair!' ending that literally has half the audience crying for the same despair that ruined the world prior?

Legitimate questions here, I finished V3 a few days ago. Why does it feel like no explanation offered by V3's ending makes any fucking sense in the context of the universe, no matter which way it's skewed? I've had time to digest the ending now and the more I think about it the less sense it makes. Am I missing something here?

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user, if you want to judge characters outside of their primary entrance into the franchise then whoo fucking boy, you do not want to be a fan of DR2 after what DR3 did. There is no other game/spin-off that is ass fucked thanks to Despair and Hope arc.

>characters are only memorable if I want to fuck them
I don't even LIKE Mondo, but come on.
Also, saying Sakura or Chihiro aren't memorable is one of the most dumb statements a person can make.

This whole sequence completely eliminated any sympathy I initially ever had for Mikan. Fuck Mikan, weak-minded bitch didn't even need to be brainwashed

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The game sucks besides just that, the characters are bad and the story was poorly written.
someone always says that it being fictional is the only thing that everyone hates, which is completely wrong.

Sakura
>Not memorable

Chihiro and Kiyotaka are two of the most popular support characters in the franchise. The amount of art they get is staggering.

Explain to me how you, the Enlightened Weeaboo, would have ended Danganronpa.

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Yeah, I didn't like any of the characters as much as I liked any of the characters from the previous games. It's kind of shit how I can't pick out a best boy and girl in V3, but I can point out multiple characters that I flat-out dislike.

>Chihiro and Kiyotaka
To quote >characters are only memorable if I want to fuck them

I mean he did kill off the first female Main line “MC” in the first trial.

That's irrelevant to what that particular user is saying, he's part of the retard crew that thinks "DANGANRONPA IS A FICTIONAL STORY!? WTF V3 RUINED EVERYTHING FOREVERRRRRRRRR"
because apparently a game being in a different continuity to the rest of its franchise and having that franchise also be fictional within this continuity means everything is meaningless.

DR1 had characters that were walking anime cliches. For whatever depth the later characters lack, at least every single one wasn't shamelessly plagiarized from every single other japanese piece of media.

Let's set shitty characters aside for a second, who is the sluttiest?

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V3 > 1 > 2

This would be so much easier to explain if the rules of Cospox were clearer and if the wooden floor set in Smoogi's lab was the same pattern of floor.

Like what the fuck, it's not a red herring because you don't even see those volunteer videos until the very end, but you can see an identical setpiece among the many cosplay sets for Smoogi's lab.

If Kaede isn't real why does Smoogi get cospox unless Kaede IS a real person and everyone ELSE is fake or SOMETHING?

Depends what Tsumugi meant by being the "Cosplay Cat Criminal" before her death.

Stop projecting.
I don't know why you think Mondo is memorable. Chihiro is only relevant because alter ego and his talent kept him relevant in future games, and among the community because of his trap status. Taka is probably the most memorable non-mc male after Byakuya.

Junko’s Forgetful Baka redhead personality that we only see in DR0 is the only think that I like about her.

No, it was just a rehash of DR2 with the same "optimistic, hopeful uncertain future" epilogue.

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it "subvert my expectations" so to anyone who loves shitty writing it was very good.

Miu

What if she faked cospox?

Fun fact: junko is the most cosplayed Danganronpa Character.

Are you retarded? Did you not play the prologue?
They all look pretty distressed about being a killing game.

V3 is an AU, brainlet.

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Mikan

>DR1's cast were of one-word traits extrapolated into shallow characters
You can say the same for most of the characters in the series, it's not unique to DR1. Even then, I'd heavily disagree in the case of a few.

Sayaka was a one-note waifu bait character...until it turned she was waifu-bait in the most literal sense, had talent and goals that she obsessed over and couldn't let them go, making her a strong prototype for many of DR's themes.

Chihiro was a trap treated respectfully. Unlike the usual variety, he had legitimate feelings of insecurity, cross-dressed to escape persecution and wanted to grow out of it. Finally gathered the courage to try and was killed in the process.

Aoi was the donut-loving airhead...until she was broken by Sakura's death that she not only manipulated the crime scene, but fully intended on killing Makoto and Kyoko along with everyone else in the best trial of the game. Sadly she does nothing else throughout the game, thus isnt' as compact as the two above.

Miu

>Chihiro
W o n d e r w h y . . .

This.
People think the fact that the characters in DR1 aren't walking memes like Ibuki, for example, or over the top like Nagito and Ouma (which aren't bad characters in the slightest, just different.) that makes them all bad.

>DR2 had characters that were walking anime cliches. For whatever depth the later characters lack, at least every single one wasn't shamelessly plagiarized from every single other japanese piece of media.

Amazing how you can switch a number and get the exact same result. None of the cast were as base and pandering as DR2's. You'd have to be blind to suggest otherwise.

Shuichi

Kaede very clearly sees that she has broken out in FULL BODY hives just wearing her clothes. Either she is lying about what triggers cospox or Kaede is not a made up identity.

None of the Danganronpa endings are very good.

Half of those are Mukuro cosplaying Junko, doesn't count.

But then later we are shown the same scene with stuff tacked on where they recognize the Monokumas and get excited they are going to be contestants.

post more fuyuhiko feet

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Ouma was garbage though.

They do raise the possibility however slight, that DR1 and 2 did actually happen, remember that only some of the files in the detective lab are detailed and the rest are drawings

Tsumugi goes off in the final trial about her being the mastermind, but she is cut off by himiko mentioning the audience.
Tsumugi tried to deny the facts such as the camerakumas and the constant mentioning from the monokubs but she is cornered.
Tsumugi reveals that danganronpa is a tv show that is based off of the games by the same name.
All of the characters are actors playing their part to put on a good show, all of the death and executions never happens.
This causes the remaining four to flip out at the facts that their friends might be alive.
Which Tsumugi responds with “but not this time”.
Tsumugi unknowingly to the actors, replaced every weapon and execution with real versions of the props they were going to use.
Tsumugi wanted the most real danganronpa experience she could get, with shuichi as her protagonist.
Tsumugi asks shuichi if he accepts his role as the hero, to which he says “I reject...”
Tsumugi is put off but quickly says that she can find someone else
Shuichi wasn’t finished “ I reject YOU, Tsumugi shirogane”
Tsumugi is confused by this
Shuichi says that he doesn’t reject his role but the person behind this travesty, the person who turned an already evil show into something much worse.
Danganronpa was too real for tsumugi shirogane
So shuichi is going to put an end to a media that was bastardized by Indian fans.

>there are people that took the blatant Truman Show ending segment as a bitch slap to the fans
I just don't understand.

'My life is my weapon' is the best climax in the series.

Comparing DR1 and DR2's cast is easy for me. Just take Asahina and Akane and you'll see the difference. The former is a less exaggerated character, but ultimately had more substance.

When Sakura dies, Asahina hijacks the entire trial and damn near succeeds in getting everyone killed because she's that damn fucking angry and showed it throughout the chapter.

When Nekomaru dies, all Akane does is flail and yell at everybody, but ultimately accomplishes nothing. She's just as irrelevant as ever in the trial as she always was.

I would say DR2's cast is more "fun" but they are certainly not "better".

That's called a lie, we play through the actual prologue and that doesn't happen. That recording of it Tsumugi showed was fake.

See the thing most people don't realize is that initially V3 was touted as a new continuity while DR3 wrapped up the Hope's Peak stuff. So it was meant to appear unrelated and then the twist would reveal they were related in the sense that this universe had the rest of the franchise as fiction.
They didn't do the Ultimate Real Fiction stuff initially so the DRs that we played are the same they did in their universe.
UDG was a spin-off, not part of the 53 killing games. As for the DR3 anime, the less you know about it the better, it was trash.
The reason they learn about the events of the first two games and no others is because those are most likely the most popular and the fans are basically running the show at this point, the out of game reason is probably because coming up with 49 fake Danganronpas for a slight glance would be kind of meaningless.

Monokuma most likely acts independent in the final trial because at this point they most likely were always independent and following an AI programming, this is pretty far in the future.

The issue is that you're overthinking it, it's not terribly deep or really has anything besides its face value. In V3, DR is fiction but they only started using real people for Danganronpa after the ones that we knew of so nobody is trying to stop it and the world itself isn't in actual danger.

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Yes the first half are drawings, and the second are actual photos, foreshadowing the switch from the games/anime/etc to "ultimate real fiction".

Maybe she put something she was allergic to in her costume?

DR1 also had plenty of shameless pandering.
Even disregarding this:
Pandering but more obscure > Worn-out, unoriginal and predictable

why the hell would these "so called" ultra fans of DR not recognize immediately that they were in the game? Only Rantaro seemed to know what was going on and the rest of them were scared.
It's obvious it was all Tsumugi's bullshit.

>*casually shadowsteps into 3 different genders*
"psssh... recording personnel, kid"

Plot twist, the DR we know is only half fictional and the real world of DR3 is where Junko ether won or stayed a forgetful redhead Baka.

>all of the death and executions never happens.
You are mistaken friend, the whole point of their distress is that it all did happen, they're mad the audience is just playing with their lives like it's a game.

The survivors of 1 are also way more competent and participate way more in trials.
Aside from Hajime in DR2, none of the survivors are any of the key players in any trial at all.

>tsumugi makes sure kaede is wearing clothes she is allergic so she can deliberately show kaede that she has "cospox" by wearing her clothes on purpose as an alibi
i want to say that's completely ridiculous but you might actually be onto something

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>V3 was touted as a new continuity while DR3 wrapped up the Hope's Peak stuff. So it was meant to appear unrelated and then the twist would reveal they were related in the sense that this universe had the rest of the franchise as fiction.
That's pretty fucking stupid, though. It should have just been entirely unrelated. DR3 completely ruined the Hope's Peak saga, I was really hoping V3 wouldn't be related, but it was in the worst way.

I love Junko!

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shes a bad character you just like her for her fat baps

Fuck off Mukuro

DANGANRONPA V3 IS AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE WHERE THE KILLING GAME STARTED FAKE AND BECAME REAL

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>bad guy is bad because she's bad!
don't get me wrong game was great, just beat it actually and started 2. But she never really gave a concrete reason for how or why she did it besides muh despair

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maybe tsumugi is allergic to the material kaede's sweater is made of

>DR1 also had plenty of shameless pandering.
>Mikan
>Sonia
>Chiaki
>Gundham
>Akane
>Not pandering shit or fanservice
Fuck off.
>Worn-out, unoriginal and predictable
Except DR1's cast weren't worn out. They were the fucking first in the franchise and carried the novelty. And it's hilarious that you'd call them predictable, when the other games are the ones who try to copy their formula. DR1 had the most unique killing game contestants because they were actually realistic. Only three people committed murder. Mondo was manslaughter. The forth committed suicide and the 5th was the mastermind. Trial 5 doesn't even end resolved, but carries onto trial 6. How the fuck was any of this predictable compared to what came later when they started pulling shit like "chapter 3 has to be the worst in the game, with double murders" and "the bara must die in chapter 4"

Didn't the first prologue start with them being brainwashed already? They just didn't get flashed with memories yet.

So essentially, in DR1/2's universe everything that happens is 100% real, but in V3's separate universe it's fiction, kinda like in our universe except it's a show instead of a game? And UDG is a spin-off show in that universe too?

>And it's hilarious that you'd call them predictable, when the other games are the ones who try to copy their formula
Fucking hell, I hate this so much. It made sense for DR2, but V3 got to the point that when I found out that there was a double murder in chapter 3 I fucking laughed.

kidnapped

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The real despair is that this is as good as the vilalins you're going to get.

That's literally what he just agreed on

I liked V3's ending personally, but that's partially because it felt like Kodaka was making sure Danganronpa wouldn't be milked bone dry and partially a thank you to the fans that followed the series up to that point and I get that some people don't realize that but considering the final battle was in showing that fiction may be fake but has a real impact in the people who enjoy it that it wasn't really an attack on them.

Yes.

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Fuyuhiko is important for 2, but that's really it. I don't think anyone has a problem with him.

Correct.

shit wrong post

The creator wanted a villain that was completely evil because he hated sympathetic main villains.

>milked bone dry
And yet that's what the fans want

Imagine thinking this

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Thank you anons, I get it now then.

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>predictable
Canonically false. Sayaka was secretly so insane that she ended up instigating a murder before Junko (the bitch with Ultimate Analysis) and her accomplices could even get it started. Junko even says she didn't see it coming. Predictable is not the word you want to use.

No. It makes no sense no matter what angle you look at it. It's fucking awful.

No? The prologue started with them before being brainwashed. They all woke up before time and even the kubs said they had fucked up

I prefer her other, more forgetful personality.

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>there are people that will argue for each entry in the series to be the best one
That's more then most other series can say for themselves

Yeah I thought it was great.

It’s a moment of relief followed by despair

The meta narrative is delivered terribly. If we look at it from a meta stand point where we're supposed to be the audience, then the premise of the game makes no sense. Cause the actual danganronpa players aren't fucking lunatics who want to watch or participate in real murder. Dangan ronpa only makes sense because its a video game. And if for whatever reason the audience in V3 are ok with real murder, why would it SUDDENLY be wrong when shuichi says its fucked up in THE FIFTY THIRD SEASON. Like no one up until then had ever thought hey maybe murding real people is wrong

I'll give you that Sayaka was interesting, but only in retrospect and of course only exists within the first chapter.
Chihiro was both insipid and pandering. A respectful treatment doesn't mean anything, and the insecurity issues were uninspired and felt forced to me.
With exception of Sakura, all the other characters felt so hackneyed and shallow I basically never thought about them since I finished the game even when the topic of DR comes up.

I can appreciate that, almost all villains now have to have some shitty tragic backstory.

>DR1 also had plenty of shameless pandering.
I'm curious. What fanservice? I remember DR1 being no nonsense about this kind of thing, except for man's nut, which is optional content and in every game.

Who is the better rival, Nagito, Togami or Kokichi?

Togami because hes not a faggot

Oh there it is, he posted it again!
The classic “ you have to read this interview that’s separate from the game in order to understand what he was trying to say”
Haha nice one!

>Chihiro was both insipid and pandering. A respectful treatment doesn't mean anything, and the insecurity issues were uninspired and felt forced to me.

How was it pandering? You think "it's a trap" automatically removes substance from the character? Because as explained? Chihiro did not WANT to crossdress and would have ditched the outfit if he ever felt he was strong enough. That was his goal, and he never reached it.
>With exception of Sakura, all the other characters felt so hackneyed and shallow
Fukawa, Kirigiri, Togami and Kiyotaka weren't shallow,definitely not compared to DR2. Why are you using these buzzwords and just expecting people will buy it? Do you think anyone would care if one random user started calling 2/V3's cast shallow without actually substantiating their points?

Based

Though I think he went about it the wrong why because Junko still just strikes me as some mentally ill person and not evil simply because she is able to enjoy her own despair, that is not how you do a completely evil villain.

Yes, and if you disagree you are a brainlet.

Togami ironically stands out now because he's not an outrageous autist like the other two. He's just a huge dick with money, unable to understand the common man until he's slapped in the face.

Didn't say DR2 was free of pandering, but that DR1 was tainted with it as well. You must be really far gone if you can't see this.
The descriptions were referring to the characters. The characterisation was predictable, not the plot . And it's true you can basically extract the entire character of the cast from the first conversation (sans some shock moments such as Sayaka). And the DR1 cast was definitely worn out cliches if you are familiar with any else anime media from Japan.

Out of everything 3 did wrong, I don't mind them ramping up the brutality with that scene. Or, if you're referring to "hurr durr they had to make Chiaki a real person", eh I don't mind that. Could have been done well if executed well.
And the same thing for the ending which you've gone out of your way to spoil a plot point (thanks by the way, cunt. People like you are what fucked up my first playthrough because some asshole had to spoil who's executed in case 1 by putting it on their fucking OP. Go fuck yourself and/or learn how to use spoilertext), v3 had a good idea going, the subplot with lies from Kokichi as he tried to warn and teach the cast not to be so trusting, which ended up becoming the major plot of the overall game when the truth is revealed in case 6 is actually really clever. Too bad case 6 was rushed, fucked, given too much fluff that went nowhere (looking at Kaede's twin, the new Junko, etc that it shat the bed. No wonder half the audience thinks it was a big middle finger to them. Just saying, you know it's bad when the director has to make a public statement addressing what the message of the game actually is.

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DR1's cast also had more narrative interaction pushing the plot along. Characters become good characters by doing stuff that reveals who they are. Everyone in DR1 has a clear opinion of everyone else, with the exception of the retarded psychic who should have died in chapter 2. I love DR2 but the end was just huge exposition drops and all the remaining characters saying 'whoa!' Everyone is just a passenger.

Could they have made the beta Junko design work?

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Okay fellas post your favorite Danganronpa moments.

>when in Danganronpa 27 half the cast got killed off because they misinterpreted the rules

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>nigger
no

>tfw beating this game made me realize best girl(s) got brutally murdered somewhere down the line

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The killing game with only Junkos in 13

>but that DR1 was tainted with it as well.
Prove it
>The characterisation was predictable, not the plot
The plot is dependent on the actions of the characters.
>And the DR1 cast was definitely worn out cliches if you are familiar with any else anime media from Japan
Everything's a fucking cliche, what matters is what you do with it. Have you never heard of nuance? And again, this is all relative. If DR1 is shallow, then DR2 is worse.

God I want to fuck her so bad

I don't know why people pretend 3-5 was good. It was just a poor man's 2-5 without even having a mystery.

The beast way is fix the ending is to make the player into another character that has been screwing the season up for team DR.

>Didn't say DR2 was free of pandering, but that DR1 was tainted with it as well.
The pandering is self aware fun and half of why the series is so iconic. Saying DR is too sexy is like saying DR is too violent. Not the game's fault that violent stuff just isn't for you.

>Kodaka hated Usami/Monomi so much because an exec told him to put her in, so he spends the entire game physically and emotionally abusing her
It's a weird kind of feel, dunno if I appreciate it or am offput

This is my other problem with the ending. We're lead to believe that this is proof that Tsumugi is spouting shit about people volunteering for a killing game, and that it is indeed unwilling.

This means that chapter 6 of V3 devalues everything that came before it. AND This prologue snipit devalues everything in chapter 6.

Meaning the entirety of V3 is bullshit and had no real ending one way or another. It's the biggest cop out to end a series with, lol idk you figure it out.

DR1 had some pandering like a panty shot with Asahina, but it's really minor stuff. Mikan and Miu bring more sexy in one chapter than the entirety of DR1.

i know bro

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I'm one of the few people who thinks Monomi was funny. After the fact I think it was a nice touch how the despairs had an instinctual revulsion to her presence.

Pandering as in a completely inoffensive demeanor coupled with being a "kawaii" trap. This is such an anime staple you really can't interpret it as anything but an attempt to get those "coinnoseurs" interested.

>Fukawa
Basic otome annoyingly infatuated with another character. Genocider didn't add much. (Maybe AE redeemed her. Dunno)
>Kirigiri
Basic detective kuudere with an unoriginal sprinkling of daddy issues
>Togami
Generic antagonistic rich boy
>Kiyotaka
Okay, I quite like him, but didn't find him that memorable

Most of the characters are sufficiently explained by these small blurbs, and there isn't much originality or nuance beyond this in any case

I ironically thought she was going to pull a Shirokuma before Shirokuma even was a thing. Around case 5's execution I was really confused what was going on until it dawned on me "wait a minute, was this a faux red herring?"

>Prove it
>pretty kuudere with a soft inside
>"kawaii" trap
>90% of Aoi's existence
Anyways I agree with in that pandering is part of the style of the series, and DR1 also has it in spades. I don't really mean it as a point against DR1 as you do with it against DR2.
And I agree that it's okay to use character tropes if you add some nuance, which is part of why DR2 is better than DR1.
E. g.
>blatant gamer waifubait
Turns out she's actually a theurapeutic AI made to be as inoffensive and devoid of personality as possible. Pretty funny commentary on that type of character especially with the game's meta angle

the messy hair made her so much hotter

i wanna fuck moogi

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togami was based, especially when he messed with the crime scene to fuck with toko

I thought that was Junko's successor for UDG

one of his last comments there always baffled me. does he... think danganronpa isn't a massively popular series irl?? it's every bit as popular in reality as it's shown to be in the game's reality.

i guarantee people irl have killed themselves or fallen into real-ass depression over who lives/dies in danganronpa

where you got that from, everything failed.

...

same

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we need more moogi lewds

here

i'll post too
since i paid for it

imgur.com/a/YPKukhS

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>Actually paid for the genocider thighjob
Thank you so much kind man, that's one of the hottest pictures failure drew, that's some fantastic taste
that mugi 2koma is good too.

You know Yasuhiro was supposed to be DR1's original Mastermind. Wonder how that would have been handled...

What I'm never heard of this

Was he really? Whered you get that from?

wait what, where does that come from

anytime bro i'll get something again with toko eventually

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God... why is her body so LEWD?

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what i wanna know is, if this was the case, what would the rest of the series look like?

What makes Danganronpa so exhausting that it leads to burn-out from only 3 entries in? I've played like a dozen Ace Attorney games at this point and it never gets old for me but fuck, as much as I enjoyed the ending of V3, it was a fucking chore to get through.

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Nice, genocider really gets the best lewds what you planning on next?

I've heard it for years and swear I saw somewhere state it, but alas I can't find any sources. I don't think I was bullshitted, but I don't expect anyone to believe my unsupported claim, so my bad

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The game more or less peaked in Chapter 1

>unsupported claim
Typical Weedman

Does Togami even count? He barely felt like one.

Anyway, Nagito I guess. I only kind of liked him, but that's more than I can say for the other two.

we don't know, but we appreciate it.
i know i do

>What makes Danganronpa so exhausting that it leads to burn-out from only 3 entries in?
Because they insist on using the same fucking formulas three times in a row, to the point that you can predict not only if a character will die but when they will die before even finishing the prologue.

because, especially for a cosplayer, she's typically one of the more conservatively dressed girls of the series, despite her perverse thoughts. You know she's got it in her, you want her to bring it out

i honestly hate that she was the villain of v3

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The only character you can possibly predict is the big muscular character in chapter 4. Please elaborate on how you could've predicted every death before finishing the prologue

Extremely formulaic, afraid to shake up the formula, the fact that it constantly gives the player the middle finger just for playing it, the constant attempts at fixing fuckups from the past only snowballing into a bigger fuckup.
the fact that you can pinpoint when characters will die.
and last but not least, the so called twists in chapter 6 that tend to make the entire game meaningless.

mating press,tongue job or something with komaru in the same vein as that angie and tenko pic,it's going to be a bit for that though as i asked him for something unrelated to DR for the moment

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Though I think most characters were considered for the mastermind position.

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people say this but I just don't see how. I do agree with the setting formula though
Because Ace Attorney does a combination of gimmicks, location changes, and shark jumping to keep going. The biggest difference is AA follows a regular day to day world, and so you have so many more possibilities for cases.

Not him but, you can usually predict 2 at most.
first up, the totally important dud who dies first gets spotlight and almost seems like they will be a main character.
you know they are dead meat the second the 2 real protags show up.
and the big dude because chapter 4

techically ace attourney has a very similar issue, heck the problem that people have with Nayuta in AA6 is that his character is a mess of being inconsistent due to that for the 5th time, they wanted to make a prosecutor have edgeworth traits.

i'm playing devil's advocate, as i love both series, but when you go into an AA thread on here, you'll be bound to find someone complaining about how similar or samey the games feel like on average, which does lead me to think about this proposition that i'll give out below.

"would it have been better for DR to continue in its very samey style(with the exception of UDG) for...11 or so games straight like AA has, or end itself now with its admittedly controversial ending?" i admit i have no real answer to this queston

But she was brainwashed, it was just offscreen

pretty much everything else would have been a better choice really.
also cow moogie is too good to have so little art.

Every ending is a chore to get through. You solve the last mystery less than halfway through the final trial (if there's even one to solve at all) and spend hours on end prattling about the twist that's invariably not as interesting as the writers seem to think it is.

too many times has a series run past its prime and made shite that follows. At least Kodaka knew when to pull the plug. I'm sure whatever he's doing with Ujikoshi now will be fresh enough to churn out some better quality than if he could with v3. I mean you could even see his disgruntled attitude DURING v3.

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Who should of been the mastermind in v3?

Also there's the character with the weird design who always dies before the third trial.

Okay yeah I forgot about the "character that seems really important getting axed chapter 1"

Didn't they say she barely needed any conditioning? Like Chisa was a wholesome person so they had to go a step further and reprogram her brain directly with needles, but Mikan took to Despair right away or something

how about the board of executives of Team DR?
Do you guys think a one-man mastermind is a tired idea?

You're definitely right about the prosecutors all being samey, though I do think Blackquill changed it up a bit. Still, the series benefits from a new setting every chapter whereas Danganronpa has had the same setting for 3 games. In regard to your question, it's better for it to end now than dredge on with 11 identical games.

How anyone would ever willingly give Uchikoshi money after Zero Time Dilemma is beyond me. Dude is a big headed twat that bought into his own hype and paid the price for it.

Junko even mentions it was an incomplete brainwashing, Chisa needed to literally be lobotomized for it to work. Mikan a shit.

Someone who wasn't one of the students for once, just have it be a shadowy organization like it should have been without using Moogi as a scapegoat.

That's my personal headcanon. It explains why Tsumugi was in the prologue with all the other students. Team DR just decided to brainwash someone into being the mastermind and they picked the Moogs

That sounds like it will be pure boner fuel.
so the wait won't be that bad...thanks in advance

Yasuhiro would have made the most sense considering he’s mysteriously several years older than everyone else and he seems to be ridiculously dumb, almost as if he’s pretending.

>Mikan a shit.
high IQ, none of this would have happened without her direct involvement.

>Someone who wasn't one of the students for once
If you want to get technical didn't DR2 do that?

See that's an ending I could live with, and if there were a follow up that's something I'd like to see.

i dont have much of an idea of how far im in the queue for the current thing i want and how much he has after but i'll get to it as soon as i can

Angie

I liked the concept but they didnt get meta enough and their pseudo-meta concept was full of very obvious holes that arent answered. They should have went full EoE and started belittling the audience

oh my.

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Well yeah, Mikan being weak spirited and eager for acceptance is her major character flaw, but it wasn't even her fault that she got caught up in it, she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time since she was taking care of Ryota.

What if in a DR-style game the mastermind actually died in one of the earlier chapters, oops on them, yet the game just kept going

I’m finished with VLR
Is zero time delema bad?

That happened in DR3.

shes so cute

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More like the comic relief, since the designs got dumber with each game.
Yep, the only time this wasn't the case was V3 because they did a false trio at the start.

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>Pandering as in a completely inoffensive demeanor coupled with being a "kawaii" trap
In other words, all nice characters are pandering? Because you know Chihiro has actual faults that relate to being a "kawaii" trap right?
>Basic otome annoyingly infatuated with another character.
That's not Fukawa's character at all. She's a completely offensive and irritating individual who has a strong persecution complex and seeks to put others and herself down so she won't get hurt. All of this because of her shit life that led to her developing a second personality and a serial killer at that. How the fuck is that shallow?
>Basic detective kuudere with an unoriginal sprinkling of daddy issues
Kirigiri's problem is that she has trust issues and is arrogant despite how the game tries to downplay it. That character flaw is what almost got Naegi killed.
>Generic antagonistic rich boy
With a viewpoint so removed from the protagonist and eventually outgrows it. I think of the people listed, he's the shallowest of the bunch, but that's no less than the development Fuyuhiko got.

godspeed user, doing god's work.
and sexy

On one hand I want to agree, but on the other... it's DR3. That's like saying I want a nice chicken dinner and you give me a 4 piece McNuggets.

It happened in V3 too. Remember the Ultimate ????

It's fucking terrible. All that hype and fan love was responded with a piece of shit game that didn't conclude anything from the previous entries, created even more nonsensical plot points that'll never be explored again and was just stupidly boring. At least the game produced some decent OC from this board but holy fuck, was it disappointing.

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>since the designs got dumber with each game.
Which characters are you referring to?

Holy shit, should I even play it?
VLR was great as well as 999, would it ruin both of those games for me if I play it?

Yeah but it's probably a strech to say they considered it more than anyone else.
That's what i said user
Most of V3, everyone has a lot of things on them compared to the other 2 games.

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>More like the comic relief, since the designs got dumber with each game.
In the sense that they got more exaggerated and unrealistic?

When said characters with a weird design, I was referring to Hifumi, Teruteru, and Ryoma. The ones who look way different than everybody else.

There's also Bandai, who's role was so minuscule and pointless that he almost feels like a parody.

I reckon you should still play it since the occasional Zero Escape thread can still be comfy and it's worth shitting on. It helps that it's a lot shorter than VLR. Just go into it knowing that all those questions you have from playing VLR won't be answered.

Yeah, at least in 1 you could reasonably buy the fact that they all are like that normally, and even they give explanations for the most outrageous ones.
starting from 2, not as much.
ah, that's what you mean.
i'm actually glad bandai lasted so little since his voice was the single most annoying of them all

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Himeko should've been the mastermind instead of the one character nobody cares about.

That might be interesting.

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user that's exactly what mugi was.

The one character nobody cares about? Yeah, that's what he said.

yeah, so himiko being it would have changed nothing.

youtu.be/bGL7HngnwJM?t=708
Even the preorder bonus watches ended up in a Fallout 76-like shitstorm

Is there a difference between Shuichi's and Kirigiri's talents?

Yeah, I was unfortunately hit with that too. After like 9 months of waiting, they claimed they could send me the watch but there was a high likelihood that the watch would be fucking broken. I asked Amazon for a refund instead and got even more money than I initially paid for it given that I don't live in the US and essentially got the game sent to me for free. Fuck chunsoft and fuck Uchi for that mess.

So, the pattern goes like this
Chapter 1
Victim: decoy who looked really really important (Sayaka,Imposter,Rantaro)
Reason for killing: heat of the moment, maybe not even intended to be the one that died
Chapter 2
Reason for killing: something related to the past of the killer (mondo brother, fuyuhiko sister, Kirumi's duties)
Chapter 3.
Victim: the comedy relief (Ishimaru, Ibuki, Tenko) and that one jerk no one liked and did jack in the trials (Hifumi, Hiyoko, Angie)
Chapter 4.
The big guy dies
Chapter 5
The madman dies (Nagito, Ouma)
did i miss anything?

The Ultimate Gardener's execution in 12 was kino as fuck.

Not really, Izuru was just Hajime.

But I understand why they were like that in v3, since they were all fake personalities, essentially hypnotized into behaving like anime characters, it makes sense that you'd want them to be portrayed as such.
Another theme about v3 I dont think that gets discussed enough, I believe pushed by Kodaka, is through its constant iterations, the series is now just gotten lazy. I don't mean the games themselves specifically, I mean the world and characters that Team DR made for the 53rd killing game. Not many things make sense, your fed info and forced to just accept it, the "actors" that were in on it also seemed to half ass their performances. It's all artificial, watered down, and the icing on the cake is they had a literal artificial and watered down Junko running the whole thing. When Junko did the Tragedy in 1, it was out of pure despair. How could Team DR or Tsumugi ever hope to recreate that manic, that passion, that energy if they don't feel the same way? All Tsumugi was was a bitch who wanted to have her own wonderland no matter the cost. Meanwhile Junko destroyed the Earth and made a plan to not just torture everyone remaining, but even off herself in the process.

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The victim's past generally also plays a role in chapter 2.

>Despair!
>No lol it was actually some mind control bullshit
DELETE DANGANRONPA 3

Chapter three pattern is double murder
>The madman dies (Nagito, Ouma)
Chapter 5 is the bait and switch where there's a stark problem with the killer and victim. in DR1, the victim was someone who died before and there was no actual killer. in DR2, the victim is actually the culprit. in V3, nobody knows who the killer or the culprit is.

but 1-5 doesn't fit that

>the killer or the culprit
victim or the culprit*
derped.

Chapter 5 is where the fundamentals of the killing game are tampered with and there's a twist on the usual blackened and victim dynamic.

>ishimaru and tenko are the comic relief of their games
patternfags, everyone. If you wanted a pattern so badly why not just say "2 victims"

Chapter 2 victims are hit with a blunt object
Chapter 3 culprits are irredeemable twats with ridiculous motives
Chapter 4 cuplrits have a noble cause behind their actions
Chapter 5 plays around with the victim's and/or culprit's identity more than usual

it is her fault since she had absolutely no willpower and took to junko immediately just for giving her attention. if she had been more assertive she would not have fallen to junko's influence and consequently betrayed the entire world by killing chiaki and triggering the worst most tragic most awful event etc etc.

If you really have to put this much thought and debate into it, do you really think such an obvious pattern exists?

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>spoiler
It makes sense the script is so shaky when you take the in universe explanation of this dumbass being the one behind the writting.
I mean, a massive weeb who has no real personality beyond spouting references to her favorite shows, did you really expect something beyond fanfiction tier writting from her?
I should have said past then.
That actually fits better.

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I guess you could say the anime was
Complex?

Don't know why people hated Junko in DR1. She was an adequate villain to finish off the insanity Monokuma put the students through. Like you could not reason with or understand somebody this batshit crazy, and to top it off, even when she loses, she won. Taking on all of the executions that killed the protagonist's friends and smiling all the way is the biggest fuck you an antagonist could have given. it's a pity she peaked there but Ryoko was also cute.

>Get bullied and abused bt others your entire life
>End up as a broken person
>"Just be stronger lmao"
It ain't that simple. People are built in a variety of ways. That'd be like telling Chiaki to not be autistic or telling Juzo to not be gay.

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>people hated Junko in DR1
Who did? I heard nothing but praise and appreciation for her

DR3, the answer to that is DR3.
she went from a love to hate diabolical mastermind to lucky idiot with a dumb plan that only worked because everyone involved in the plot was a 24/7 retard

whats up with that dr spin off that got announced like 2 years ago

Danganronpa 42 is still the best season when it comes to endings.

That time in 48 when they revealed that they were in a volcano the whole time and it was going to erupt was kino

Funny thing is that even DR0 recognized she was a genius mastermind without any brainwashing involved. She trolled the entire school, Izuru (in the background), Matsuda and even herself.

based

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Juzo pasta was the best thing to come out DR3

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I said 2 victims you absolute imbecile.
but what else to catalog them if not "comic relief" they aren't taken seriously even in universe, they are over the top compared with the rest of the class, and their deaths usually come just as the game shifts full force into a dark tone.

>but they took place in a different universe
That just invalidates V3 then
Pick one or the other, it is pretty obvious what's actually true if you played the game though

aside from 2 i'll say you're right on the other ones.
yes? it's still something that repeats itself with frequency, correcting someone on what they got wrong isn't debate

What separated Junko from other "for the evulz" villains was that hers was a legitimate sickness.The only thing she loved more than hurting other people was hurting herself and she got off to it. Even when the protagonist tried giving her an out, she told him to fuck off and drooled at the execution. Fuck, those were better days for the fandom.

>and there was no actual killer
Well, Junko was the killer, but you don't know about the real Junko until chapter 6.

>The mastermind was a trope spamming fujo fan
>The first character to start breaking the 4th wall was also the one woman who had been forced to wear men's clothing the most.
>The moment she, rantaro and kaede started noticing cracks they died.

Seems like v3 truman show was heavily improvised

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>aside from 2
You mean the Chapter 2 one? Chihiro got hit with a dumbell, Mahiru a metal bat and Ryoma was knocked out with some kind of pole was that actually brought up in the trial? I can't remember anything happening with that weapon

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DR2 also introduces a few elements that get reused in DRV3, though I suppose those elements only get used twice in a row instead of three times in a row

>first character to get a rebuttal showdown is the chapter 2 victim
>Chapter 2 culprit is a silver-haired girl revealed to have been motivated by her devotion to somebody else
>Chapter 4 culprit is some form of animal expert
>Chapter 4 takes place in bizarre location

danganronpa fighting game when, i can settle for toko and komaru being in blazblue cross battle too

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You can also add that the Chapter 4 trial's big mystery is related to the location of the murder

I mean, ryoma kinda breaks the pattern a bit since the first 2 were killblows but he just got knocked out.
also that looks more like a wooden beam.
>spoiler
no, it doesn't even show up anywhere afterwards.
it just came out as kirumi explained it
case 3-2 was really bad

The real cause of death was drowning, that pole was just to knock him unconscious so she could chain him to the sink.

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3-2 was the worst of the 2nd cases no doubt

What was the worst 3rd case?

3-2.

only good thing about 3-2 was the execution but then again 3 had pretty good executions all around

Unironically saved the series, loved V3

Third case, as in case 3 of each game.

The 1st game by far
>have a character whose personality and backstory revolves around her having a poker face and being the 'Queen of Lies'
>she starts acting uncharacteristically helpful when shit hits the fan
>immediately has a meltdown when she's being accused in the trial and makes it obvious she's the culprit
For what Celestia's built up as, she falls apart way too easily

Right, obviously I meant 2-3. Or maybe 3-2 is just that bad it's also the worst 3rd case too.

1-3 imo. i could provide reasoning if needed, but it mostly comes down to Kiyotaka's mishandlement, and Yasuhiro being an awful villian of the case.

Yeah, 1-3 was straight character assassination.
>Queen of lies
Even Mondo put up a better act

S E E T H I N G

I guess the whole point of Celeste was everything about her, including being intelligent and good at lying, was a front. Though that doesn't explain how she got to be the "Ultimate" Gambler.

still wonder what exactly she wanted that money for though

>including being intelligent
Her plan wasn't even bad. What fucked her was Hifumi and actually putting her faith in that spastic. What was shit was her acting.

Celeste's breakdown was pretty much the only good part of the chapter in that it was at least entertaining, though even then I feel it would've been a lot more satisfying if it wasn't so easy to get her to crack.

She gambled on never being caught in her lies, ask the fedoralord, apparently he's the talent supergenius.

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HUNKY VAMPIRE BUTLERS

even naegi felt like she wasn't being truthful about that

She admitted it was just icing on the cake of finally leaving that shithole school.

Celestia was lying to herself.

Why even make her a gambler if almost nothing she does is gambling-related? She might as well have just been the Ultimate Liar or Ultimate Bullshitter or something.

2-3
The double murder was legitimately pointless. Hiyoko just kind of dies, Ibuki is strangled and her disease has no effect on anything and Mikan gets a completely new personality because they couldn't be fucked to just have her snap and kill the little shit gremlin.

You know it felt like the anime went out of it's why to retcon DR0.

I would say that Chapter 3 has one of the victims not being planned. Kiyo killed Angie because she walked in when he was prepping Tenko's murder and Mikan killed Hiyoko because she caught her in the act. I mean I guess Hifumi might be a technicality because death was planned by Celeste, but he believed that Celeste was going to kill somebody else and they were both going to live.

>Queen of Liars
>claims when you first meet her that her name is goddamn Celestia Ludenberg, but also that she's Japanese like everybody else
She could've at least claimed to be a foreign exchange student or something

yes she did

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I would say it's the worst of the -2 cases actually.
2-3
probably works, cept for 1-3

My god, this bad taste

Why do they do those "they walked in on me so I killed them" murders? They're such a boring way to kill off a character.

...yes thats what i said.

which is a shame because the way the anime hamdled DR2's cast was a travesty.

Because they felt obligated to do a double murder every time for some reason. So they just did it in the laziest way.

Why do people like Chiaki? I was shocked the fandom liked her so much she was so bland in the game and I literally felt no emotional reaction when she had to be killed despite everyone acting like she was a saint.

i know.
kinda disqualifies it from being a pattern.
Dr3 was a mistake

>Tsumugi unknowingly to the actors, replaced every weapon and execution with real versions of the props they were going to use.
Then I got to give props to the actors for some of them. Like none of the executions caused them to scream like "THIS WASN'T IN THE SCRIPT! STOP FILMING!"

I liked Kirumi so much I never saw 3-2 coming at all.

big tiddy gamer gf.
and one of the few people in jabberwock who wasn't completely off their rocker

Did you try doing her FTEs?

Hers are pretty boring.

I maxed her out and it added very little for me

Then you just have incurable shit taste, I'm sorry user.

She was smart in a game with Akane and Soda, and likeable compared to Nagito, Hiyoko and Fuyuhiko. Also, those fat tits while wearing a swimsuit.

Also DR0 is not available for most western audience to read, plus Ryōko Otonashi was a pretty interesting idea of an MC (a amnesiac version of Junko) with a plot twisted that I think should of been used for a main line game instead (said game would of obviously an AU) of a prequel book.

Or at the very least include one of Tenko's, Angie's or Himiko's and Miu's. All three of the ones shown were aimed for Shuichi, with Kaito arguably shown for Maki. That way you could have the audition tapes have a bigger effect on Himiko and Keebo.

>Junko broke the rules since the first game.
At least she waited until near the end of the game. Tsumugi starts her killing game already breaking the rules.

3-2 only made me like kirumi more desu
It was hilerious knowing that kirumi's motherly tendancies would make her the most jaded cruel dictator and I saw the political twist coming (she did say eliminate a RIVAL nation after all), but not to that extent.

*Ahem*
Junko brainwashing the students by just killing one student in a death maze is a cheap tactic that only serves to push Chiaki into Mary Sue status. This also makes their “brainwashing” less believable and also gives Junko Mary Sue status due to the creators writing themselves into a corner after not doing anything to push the students to despair for the first 10 episodes and having to rush that part.

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She literally died for Class 77's sins. Twice.

It was fantastic and perfectly fits in the themes of the game Truth above all else and you can't have that without conceding that this is in fact a game

Not sure how that makes Chiaki a Mary Sue. Also it wasn't just her death, Ryota's animation was missing one final spark to rewire their brains for despair, the death of a classmate was that spark, or a lobotomy in Chisa's case.

Yes that's one of the most criticized part of DR3 as a whole.

I can't believe Ryota ruined 2 anime and a whole series ending at the same time.

3-2 is bad because it made kirumi seem like an incompetent idiot.

And he's the only new character to survive, too.

Close.

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Well he probably fucking killed himself.

>probably works, cept for 1-3
I mean it was a stretch. I guess you could say that one of the two victims would have known too much information if they weren't killed.
Imagine worst one was Tenko and Angie due to bringing up the rule they never bother to do anything with besides extend the 3rd trial.
My guess is because she was one of the characters who lasted a pretty good length without being a complete moron or smug/cold/asshole.

Self-inserts waifu her

>she was one of the characters who lasted a pretty good length without being a complete moron or smug/cold/asshole.
this is the main reason, especially since 2 was set on ruining the ones that seemed like good people

>ruining the ones that seemed like good people
Which ones specifically?

I'm gonna assume the reason this is picking up steam again is because everyone's hacked their Vitas now

remember when nagito was a good person?
also mahiru, mikan and soda somewhat.

I assume he means things like making Mahiru complicit in a pre despair murder.

>remember when nagito was a good person
Yeah and he still is technically.

>mahiru, mikan and soda
Explain yourself user.

I can't wait for the singularity so I can simulate killing games with perfect human AI on my computer.

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>Mahiru
see >Mikan
Despair disease shenanigans
>Soda
went from bro tier to sonia orbiter in the span of 1 chapter.

>Yeah and he still is technically.
How do you figure?

danganronpa mmo when

Chiaki is easily top 2 female characters amongst women along with Sonia, and that's because most women self-insert as Sonia so they can husbando Gundam.

there are DR threads pretty often user not to mention all the games have been on pc for a long while

He wants to help his friends acquire hope by doing lunatic shit.

user he wanted to kill everyone but chiaki

For a good reason

i wonder why no one tried to do a killing game in VRchat

They aren't his friends. They're vessels for hope who he would betray at the drop of a hat for a stronger hope. He also treats non-hopes like walking garbage. Don't you remember that pre-DR3, Nagito was the one person people didnt' think changed from despair at all? He was the same person in UDG as he was in DR2. How is this a good person?

>Considering it ruined the series, no.

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No, because then we get stuck with two Togamis, three Kokichis, two Nagitos, four Akanes, a Hagakure and the blackened in the first trial.

yes and no
kodaka seems to think dr fans like having characters die when in reality most of them are here for ace attorney gameplay and/or waifus

...that actually sounds fun, a shitshow for sure, but a fun one

Sounds like a good time.

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Nagito is absolute garbage to Hajime after he finds out he's talentless too.

>the body ends up 3 floors above the murder scene
>web of lies so big even monokuma loses track of what the hell are they saying.
>Hagakure and Akane being so wrong it derails the trial several times.
oh man, you don't want to see that?

>ace attorney gameplay
except worse

God damn I really wanna see this.

[Spoiler] Girl [/spoiler] here and Chiaki is boring so is Sonia. I don't know cosplayers probably like to dress up as chiaki.

Of course a female would have shit taste.

I would larp as waifu :^)

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In what way?

The idea that leaving hoshi in there would somehow be a better method is stupid.
People forget that monokuma will always give enough information for the the trial to figure out the main culprit. Kirumi needed to frame someone under that logic.
The entire point of the trial is to see if the murderer is good enough at deception and manipulation. To that end she's also the only one to try and manipulate the others after losing.

The logic is worse, yes, but the trials are much more kino. The visual style and everything sound related during the trials is amazing.

Sorry waifufag it's true .both are bland as hell

>3 hours of class trialing just to find out it was all tampered with by a Togami and now they have to start all over again
I want to see this

the fact that she left enough evidence to point fingers at her and that she didn't keep her fucking mouth shut at the trial maybe?

I’m not a waifufag but nice try

Whatever you say

Then I'd guess Hiyoko is your favorite. No girl likes Mikan at all, and they don't seem to care for Mahiru or Akane. Other option is Ibuki or Peko but they are much less popular.

>can't even spoiler right
It's "female" for sure.

you mean 2 togamis.

And maybe a Twogami.

we found the first victim.

Oh, I agree the presentation is much better, but as an avid mystery enthusiast the first and third games are pretty bad across the board. The second game had some nice twists though.

time to switch to my alt

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Half right, I dislike Hiyoko AND Mikan. I'm fond of Peko but that's mostly due to her relationship with Fuyuhiko and fluffy animals

Nope, I don’t like any girl from SDR2

That's 13 user, we still lacking 3 more guys to complete the absolute shitshow.

The evidence against her was an unavoidable flaw caused from ropeburn.
But yes the entire weakness was that she was too dedicated and tryhard.
Then when her motive is found out, koichi points out that compassion =/= selflessness, which is her entire personality flaw outside of insecurities.

you might live a tad longer

2 Junkos and 1 Juzo