Why is PC gaming still a thing?
I've never meet a PC gamer who wasn't an unrepentant pirate and I doubt companies port their games to be stolen out of charity.
I think it's due to
- Videogame companies having old men between their stockholders, and said old man believing that PC is profitable.
- GPU manufacturers like NVIDIA and AMD bribing those same stockholders under the table.
Have sex.
Why do you think PC hasn't gotten a single exclusive worth a shit in years?
Piracy isn't really that big of a phenomenon, contrary to what certain supremacists here would like to say.
From a cost/benefit perspective, it works just like any other platform. Almost any game will pay for the porting since the market (Steam in particular) is developed enough.
cry for me more consoleBABBY
while I enjoy my PS4 for Bloodborne and Persona 5 , I'll prefer my PC where I have a high quality of FREE games at 4k quality with top frames and no drops. I can shitpost on Yea Forums at the same time.
You filthy fucking phoneposting consolebabbies should all return to reddit where you belong, I hear arr slash gaming has great discussion right up your alley.
At work yesterday someone was talking about how much trouble he was taking to fix a Wii's optical drive. When I suggested he hack it to load his games of an hdd someone else sitting at the table immediately blurted "BUT THATD BE ILLEGAL" (a grown man saying this). Simple illustration of how people are much more trained to not only choose but also defend products when they come from corpos with names they recognize.
I pirate games upon release to try them out, and buy them (on sale) if they're good and replayable.
you only meet beardy neet men, that might be the problem. people have massive steam libraries, 300 games is "average"
^this
>Piracy isn't really that big of a phenomenon
"we" as people in the gaming community just hear about it extensively because it gets pushed. Only a small minority actually pirate every game they have.
And why shouldn't it be a thing?
In my opinion its a lot more convenient to play on Pc. I can do work on it and it can do everything a console can as well.
So whats a legit downside of playing on a Pc and not on a stationery console? (inb4 portable console like switch/vita/3ds)
I really don't get how piracy is supposed to be an argument against Pc gaming. The only games I pirate are console games, to emulate them.
PC gaming can do everything consoles can and more.
>this pasta again
Sonytards like op are pathetic.
it's way easier to pirate on PC than console
it happens way more than it does on console
those are lost sales when you can just steer everyone toward the console release
In my opinion it's the other way round.
great point
why is the idea of of pc being profitable is outrageous for consolefags?
Prove it.
Sales that don't happen because people don't have consoles are also lost. What are you going to do?
Then you're a retard.
I hope you know that you can pirate games on the PS4 and Switch as well.
give them the message that PC gaming is second rate, so they either buy a console or eventually run out of things to play
piracy doesn't hurt sales lol
Shut up and buy a ps4.
Not any more of a retard than this guy
That doesn't prove anything.
Retard. Pc gaming is first rate. If anything your precious ps4 is second rate. Enjoy having to buy a ps5 while i keep playing multiplats on my pc.
enjoying your in depth strategy games on ps4?
But he's right. You have laughable looking shit in terms of graphics like Kenshi, and yet another first person medieval melee game. Granted they're all great, but they're not big titled at all. You always see people begging for console ports, bit I don't think I've ever seen anyone asking for a PC port.
Whaling. It's how paradox survives.
>strategy games
Exactly, nobody cares. That's like bragging about VNs.
S-shut up and buy a ps4! FOR THE GAYMERS!
Imagine thinking consoles are good because they have artificial relevance in the form of exclusives. Take exclusives away and consoles are as good as trash.
you know that sort of thing is more likely to come out on Xbox, unless one means strategy/tactical jrpgs.
How else are you gonna play old games?
On pc now you can play games on:
PS1
PS2
PS3
Nes
Snes
Wii
3ds
WiiU
And a bunch of others.
Not to mention games with superior performance.
As for exclusive, sure consoles have their own but also have grand strategy games, general ones like total war than won't work on consoles and hardcore fps like insurgency and escape from tarkov.
Basically in the long run, PC is way more sustainable in the long run and you really need only to buy one and upgrade certain parts in the future, while consoles will die in one generation and no games will come to it anymore, forcing you to buy the new one every generation.
said the true brainlet
and even then people pirate the dlc
Consoles are just computers made specifically to play games through a specific framework
PC gaming will never die because it's the essence of the console itself
>xbox
who?
cause consoles @sub 30 fps are unplayable
Pirates who don't actually buy the good games they pirate afterwards on sale killed PC gaming.
>all those games you like playing aren't real because I haven't played them or possible even heard of them
literally a casul
I spent my time today playing Warhammer total war 2 then moved onto DOTA 2 tonight when the boys were on.
Can't play these games on the PS4.
To add one, why do you think the PC gaming panel at E3 is regarded as a laughable joke every time?
because of pc's decentralized nature it makes it impossible for any one company to represent the true soul and reach of pc gaymen
>Kenshi
Kenshi has some actually good looking areas and a nice aesthetic.
>big-titled
What does it matter if something is big titled, if it's not fun to play?
>PC ported to console
Because the bigger PC games are usually either to ressource intensive to be ported or wouldn't work on console, or small enough (indie games) so the port happens but isn't even news worthy.
Haru's baby legs
don't pretend like people wouldn't want league of faggots on console if it was remotely playable on consoles
Yeah imagine a PS4 trying to run ARMA3 or a Total War game.
>40 years worth of games + new ones
>infinite customization options and ways to play
>let's you do whatever apart from playing vidya
>all in a box
>not the best platform
baka, desu, senpai
basically most of the larger scale multiplayer games (not a 2d fighter) are crippled or just impossible to implement due to technical limitations of console hardware and controls
because PC gaming isn't locked to one company/ecosystem?
you'll see PC announcments on microsoft, bethesda, ubisoft, square panels.
>Why is PC gaming still a thing?
I've never meet a PC gamer who wasn't an unrepentant pirate and I doubt companies port their games to be stolen out of charity.
Because despite your shitty anecdotal evidence people still do purchase games on the platform, more than ever even.
>Why is PC gaming still a thing?
I don't know OP you tell me why console exclusives are a thing when devs earn more money from multiplats
Is piracy a service problem?
I'd say so still. Look at how piracy went down when TV streaming services were less prevalent, and now that you need like a million different paid subs people are just pirating everything again.
why is console gaming still a thing?
>pay monthly subscription
>stuck with controller which is absolutely awful for shooters
>most games locked at 30fps
>cheap hardware that overheats and breaks fast
>all exclusive games are literal movies
consoles are the ones who are holding the industry back
I know it's a bait thread, but building a gaming PC was the best thing I did gaming-wise and ever since then, I've barely touched my PS4. I still love my Switch, but I seriously don't see myself buying a PS5 anytime soon. The fact that I can run new release games maxed out with a stable framerate destroyed the PS4 for me.
I mean fuck. I got Yakuza Kiwami 2 on the PS4 when it came out and it still runs like garbage on my PS Pro. On my PC, I can run it on ultra at 60FPS.
Because exclusives are ordered by people who owns your console. No one "owns" PC so that when games are made devs want to sell it to as many people as possible.
>why console exclusives are a thing
Because without them there is literally no reason to get a console over a PC. There used to be more selling points for console over PC like just throwing the disc in the console and playing immediately, but consoles don't even have that edge any more.
Consoles are nothing without exclusives now. That's why consolefags insist on arguing about exclusives, it's all they have.
Was a consolefag until late ps3 and only hardware overheating was a problem, and it only started with the ps3 itself afaik, if you never play at 60fps you don't really care about 30, it doesn't sound good but it's what normalfags are experiencing, also online was still free then
Bought a pc 6 years ago and never stopped preferring a controller over m+kb
Just fucking kill me, Gaben.
It depends on what you're playing. For shooters and strategy games I'll use M+KB, but for everything else I use controller
PS4 barely has worthwhile exclusives compared to the previous systems but it still selling like hotcakes, if anything Sony/MS pay for more exclusive content instead of actual games now
Consoles are gradually becoming PCs in their own right as hardware becomes more and more similar. It's odd to say the least.
Why don't Console gamers understand Sony pays for exclusives & no one owns PC to fund exclusives?
A lot of people seem to think Naughty Dog makes PS4 exclusives out of the goodness of their hearts or something
PC gaming is a thing because people tend to like having control over their hardware. Consoles are, after all, gimped OS-locked PCs that only compete with the PC market through exclusive titles. If consoles had to stand against PC only on their own qualities, they wouldn't sell a single unit.
If you want to play games you already played, then stay on console, there haven't been a original game on console for the past 20 years.
If you want original games, you play on PC.
Well like the 360 it's seen as the "best" option in the eyes of the general public. And if one friend gets a PS4, it's very likely all his friends will get one too so they can all play games together.
Maybe they'll make it so you can customize the hardware on consoles in the future. I mean it's pretty funny to me that a consoles fan can break and you have to replace the entire thing because of a $15 dollar piece of hardware failing.
Consoles are very cost effective, though (which is definitely subsidized with software but that doesn't make the deal much worse). They capture a price range that's really hard to fulfill with desktop hardware. It could be a matter of time before they break the facade and allow you to run Windows, or that might never happen and they go out of business.
Don't pay no mind to them. We all having fun on consoles.
>Why is PC gaming still a thing?
because it grants unparalleled freedom
>I've never meet a PC gamer who wasn't an unrepentant pirate and I doubt companies port their games to be stolen out of charity.
anedoctal evidence, and if you were remotely correct then we wouldn't have all these companies releasing games on PC
>I think it's due to
>- Videogame companies having old men between their stockholders, and said old man believing that PC is profitable.
if it wasn't profitable they'd be gone by now
>- GPU manufacturers like NVIDIA and AMD bribing those same stockholders under the table.
man, you're really desperate
well, as expected of a consolefag
imagine sucking this much corporate dick, jesus christ
It's still a thing because it's the best fucking way to play video games. In case you're too stupid to realize, a console is just a stripped-down PC in the first place, automatically making it worse than a PC by default.
Nope, i play literally everything with a controller, except competitive games (i don't play that garbage at all) and warframe which is too fast for a stick, i also use a mouse for every game with either zero or shit controller support like arpg and divinity games, but i don't feel comfortable at all
>ps3 and only hardware overheating was a problem
all the countless reports though that ps4 pro sounds like a jet
>never play at 60fps you don't really care about 30
that's just your shitty preference desu, not a valid argument
>also online was still free then
well it's not now, so what's the point even mentioning it?
>preferring a controller over m+kb
pc users have a choice, you don't, another dogshit argument from a stupid nigger
I thought i made it pretty clear that i'm not on console anymore so i wouldn't know about ps4, i just gave him my point of view i had 6 years ago, there was no point in switching over to pc then, while now i have no idea why they eat that shit up
He thinks we don't emulate stuff like Persona etc.
Once you have a high spec pc any game for any system (dlc) included is absolutely free
>defending the need to use a certain controller and buying expensive games
>Consolfags are btfo
PC gaming is still more popular than console gaming and makes more money than console or mobile gaming. yeah I pirate but most pirates spend more money on games (or music for that matter) than the average consumer so yeah it's probably something that harms the industry but doesn't kill it. games are just slightly worse than they could be but idgaf if it means I get to play a lot more games. I'll never pay as much as they want even if it means I don't get to play games at all
When is this shit game coming to PC
because thanks to emulation devs don't get a say in whether i can play their game on pc or not
after it comes to Switch
>I've ever seen anyone asking for a PC port
Literally every new game on pc has people asking for ps4 and switch ports on the steam forums. There is also nothing wrong with multiplats. You make more money if you sell your game on everything.
Every PC gamer I've ever known legit had Asperger's. All the normalbros I know have either a PS4, an Xbone and a few manchildren have a Switch and nothing else.
>it's way easier to pirate on PC than console
>it happens way more than it does on console
>those are lost sales when you can just steer everyone toward the console release
Well besides the EU report that found that if anything piracy actually helps the market.
I must say i personally very rarely actually buy a game and buy everything secondhand. Like alot of other people i know myself. Those are lost sales aswell.
I also pirate the living shit out of everything. But people that pirate tend to be poor like me. So I wouldn't even be playing this many games if piracy or secondhand existed.
Either way they're not getting my money and it can't be considered lost money if I never intended o buy it in the first place. I'm too poor like 80-90% of the real worlds actually population base.
>darkwood
>a hat in time(holy shit all those switch beggers)
>insurgency
You know what I'm too tired to list all of them, let's just every famous indie games that was on pc only like undertale.
So basically you think Yea Forums memes are real life
>I've never meet a PC gamer who wasn't an unrepentant pirate and I doubt companies port their games to be stolen out of charity.
That's your biased sample size. Have less poor friends.
so never in that case
>He thinks we don't emulate stuff like Persona
especially easy now it's on PS4 which can be emulated more easily than ps3 or ps2
be honest user. you think the shitloads of games that will never be on console because you need a mouse and keyboard to play them don't appeal to you at all? none of them?
imo 20 pirated game downloads = 1 lost game sale. people are stupid if they think piracy isn't a problem and developers make it tricky to crack a game on day 1 just for the fun of it. I'm working on an indie game I plan to release for free and I pirate games all the time so I have no dog in the race but still facts are facts
it's weird that more games don't get shitty PC ports seeing as almost all tools used for making games nowadays either make games fine for PC or can easily be adapted to do so. but pirating console games to emulate them on PC isn't the only kind of piracy on PC.
>only people who are too lazy to understand how to use a PC prefer consoles
no surprises here
Generally, pirates are enthusiasts. They spend their whole entertainment budget on their hobby and pirate afterwards. Since they're enthusiasts, they also tend to be loud, generating advertising (if the game is good).
>I hope you know that you can pirate games on the PS4
Do you know the hassle and cost it is to get a 2 year old console that can be hacked?
>720p
>smooth 29fps
From games sell nearly as many units on PC as on consoles.
Monster hunter sold several milion on PC and is still one of the most played games ever.
It even entered the top 5 most played games on steam at one point.
Tekken 7 is still alive and kicking on PC.
Wither 3 sells all the time.
As for exclusives you have the Total war series Anno series.
Hell Star-craft 2 is still a PC exclusive.
You can be an ass and say well those dont count because i dont like them but guess what not evrione likes cinematic games ether.
Piracy is a thing on PC i wont pretend its not hell i pirate 70% of all my games.
But i do the same thing on consoles.
Never bought a single ds 3ds psp game.
Never bought a single WIIU PS3 game.
And all the Ps4 games i usually buy used and then sell once i am done whit them.
Wich is basically just as harmful as piracy.
Ironically only times i ever did support the Industry was by buying PC games and i cant re sell those.
>Generally, pirates are enthusiasts
Yeah this. Casual scrubs don't really pirate let alone can be trusted to operate a pc themselves.
Oh really? Because I'm a buyer and pirates never convinced me to buy anything; in fact the do nothing but try to convince me to not buy at all.
>Oh really? Because I'm a buyer and pirates never convinced me to buy anything; in fact the do nothing but try to convince me to not buy at all.
So whenever there is a game discussion on Yea Forums do you think every pirate must start their message with
"Hi, I'm a Pirate
Nier sucked balls and OP is a faggot."
How do you actually know if your speaking to a pirate or not? You've undoubtedly been influenced by pirates if you frequent Yea Forums
idk doesn't look that expensive to me
>Ironically only times i ever did support the Industry was by buying PC games and i cant re sell those.
lol this. Fuck steam for tricking me into actually purchasing games and not just secondhand so i can ell it again.
Why is Console gaming still a thing?
I've never meet a Console gamer who wasn't an unrepentant used game buyer or a normie who only plays Fifa and Cod I doubt companies port their games to be bought by one person and played by 50.
I think it's due to
- Videogame companies paying millions for marketing to brainwash the general masses in to thinking that Consoles are the best way to play games.
- Despite the same consoles now being low end closed system machines that can run games at the minimum playable level equivalent of a 4 year old 500$ PC.
>pre-owned.
>500gb
>old phat ps4
No thank you. That think'll break in a few years.
Honestly surprised at the prices though. When i was looking last year it was nothing like this.
Since you seem to only hang around underaged and poor people, let me tell you my adult counter anecdote that everyone I know bought way too many games and has an eternal, legally acquired Steam backlog.
Both are true desu
Once I was sitting in a math class and 2 stranger dudes started talking to each other. One said he had PC and played grand strategy games and other said he had PS4 and played fifa and overwatch.
>PC gaming
>Console ports
>Of games that were originally PC games
>Deus Ex creator himself labels PC an afterthought to developers
I love it. PC had a niche and an excellent pool of developers and PC-only genres and games and it was killed because faggots wanted to turn it into a console on PC hardware and only play Western AAA multiplatform games.
It's sad but fuck modern PC users and their shitty taste in games that killed the platform. They made their bed and now they have to lie in it, the morons. Retards like TotalBiscuit and /r/pcmasterrace drones fucked real PC gaming and turned it into a clown platform.
>>pre-owned.
well duh
>500gb
just upgrade
>old phat ps4
ps4 pro is a meme
you can't on PS4 it's restricted by firmware version.
only olders games work.
Nope it's better than ever now, especially because of all the new Japanese support for pc, if you told me that Japanese games will be coming to pc constantly 10 years ago I would laugh at your face.
God I fucking hate consolefags. They always go to the same talking points:
>Muh exclusives
As if inane corporate rivalry should have any fucking say in the quality of a platform. An example of consolefags literally accepting having a limited library just so they can give the finger to the other team. Besides, any console game which is ported to PC automatically becomes obsolete on consoles.
>Muh pirates
Consolefags are just salty they don’t have the option. Tell me you wouldn’t get a game for free without any repurcussions if you had the opportunity. Spitting on pirates is the dumbest holier than thou bullshit, just stop it. The minority of neckbeards who pirate has an insignificant effect on game sales regardless, normies control the market.
>Muh $99999 gaymin PC
Consolefags always say this shit and the only thing I have to ask is: What the hell are you using to post right now?? I mean holy shit slap a fucking ebay gpu into your shitpost machine and I guarantee you’ll get 60fps at 1080p (which consoles can’t even hit a good two thirds of the time) by putting the settings of a game on medium. Such a stupid talking point, since you don’t have to pay for stupid bullshit like xbox live on PC. The cost of a decent PC build is more than paid for with shit like steam sales as well.
God I fucking hate consolefags. If they had their own board this place would increase in quality tenfold overnight.
>ps4 pro is a meme
it atleast gets you a reliable 30fps unlike the phat.
aswell as 60fps in select titles.
>just upgrade
just more sunk costs. Emulation is favorable at this point. There alot of old games to play.
Simple.
PC gamers buy the games we want to support, and pirate the games we don't.
So generally speaking, we don't pay for western AAA shit made for retarded consolefags and SJWs.
But, we do buy the decent smaller indie/AA games and Jap games.
exclusivity is trash but the best games were still made for pc
1tb hdd costs like $50 lmao
>only olders games work.
so you can pirate games? just like i said
I'll take the "after thought with" unlocked frames, resolution and graphical settings thanks
You're painfully low IQ if you don't see why an open platform is needed, and why it has a large following.
> GPU manufacturers like NVIDIA and AMD bribing those same stockholders under the table.
Oh damn, the tranny OP is actually retarded.
Consoles are now also using Nvdia and AMD gpus because locked and closed architecture is not as profitable long term.
This. The last games I've bought were Hollow Knight, Yakuza games and Sekiro.
I have no idea who would willingly pay for trash bethesda, unisoft, ea etc puts out
>PC gamers buy the games we want to support
speak for yourself fampai
>1tb hdd costs like $50 lmao
Yeah and you can get 4gb external for like $100
>so you can pirate games? just like i said
true but all the good exclusive's haven't even been released yet/come with a firmware upgrade.
Like GoW was shipped with an update in it
Mordhau, slay the spire, 999 hgames and truck simulator say hello.
Ubisoft just fills a niche. It's okay if it's not your thing, but the games are well-made.
why even reply user
all you get, without fail, is
>i meant good exclusives
or
>LMAO you're using THAT new game as an example when it has (exaggerated 'problems')
>I have lots of games!
>remember 1988?
>who cares if 2015+ games are all multiplats, I HAVE THEM
Ive been thinking about getting ps4 pro for months now,but sub 30,30,and barely 60 fps just throws me off every time
>PC gamers buy the games
Lmao
Based and redpilled
Multiplats are a good thing. They let you choose your favorite system without being forced into an ecosystem by your game preference.
The PC version is usually the definite edition, with peak performance and visuals.
>I'll take the "after thought with" unlocked frames, resolution and graphical settings thanks
an afterthought with a couple months-year release is actually good. let the console deal with the buggy mess.
This
Piracy doesn't make a game free
Seethe and whine more, your tears are delicious. Have a You.
PC gamers are just sad. They always live in the past when their platform was relevant.
I like you user
well according to 90% of Yea Forums bloodborne is the only worthwhile ps4 game and that can be pirated
I am a simple user. I see juicy bait I bite.
PC players dont have buyers remorse syndrome though. We dont need to rationalize buying bloodborne station which is barely able to run the only exclusive game it has.
Our machines simply plays everything. Now go and buy nogames station 5. No goy, it wont be backwards compatible and it wont even have physical discs with games anymore. But it will have bloodborne 2! And thats all what matters :-D
I refuse to buy ports on principle. Devs trying to doubledip on profits after shafting PC gamers on release.
You should ALWAYS pirate ports. Don't be a portbegging cuck.
user, they're phoneposters. They don't know shit about PCs anymore. Knowledge has regressed again now that everything is so trivial to use you don't need to learn anything anymore. You hand them a GPU and they will have no idea what to do with it.
You have a good principle, but you are sadly in the minority
P5 is fully emulatable on rpcs3. Emulation alone makes PC the master race.
Anybody else buy the console versions of games and pirate the PC version?
>tripfag
What is this 2009? Ah another one for the filters.
Yes it's 2009 white boy
Piracy actually helps sales. A study was done but blocked by (((them))) in Yurop because it came to that conclusion.
It wasn't blocked. It was just ignored.
yeah they still lock fps in almost every game just let you have better gfx, draw distance/resolution and more stable framerate, not even 40 fps - but have a fake checkerboard 4k
but if you dont have a ps4 already then PRO is definately a better option, even Bloodborne runs noticeably better
also SSD is a must or the load times are grating
You sure? Everything I read about that study said blocked.
If it was blocked you wouldn't know about it.
>>current level of piracy isn't causing problems
>piracy isn't a problem!
nope, if developers didn't target piracy and we didn't have laws against it, there would be far more piracy and it would be a major problem
Have you ever been on sites outside of Yea Forums? The amount of moralfag buycucks are astounding.
God no, Ubisoft is the epitome of shitty, boring, design-by-committee open world trash.
>well according to 90% of Yea Forums bloodborne is the only worthwhile ps4 game and that can be pirated
Thats only because Yea Forums is a hivemind for Demon souls games.
So you don't like it. That's fine. I'm not saying they're inspired or anything.
But from a pure craftsmanship perspective, they're well-done. If open world ubimarathon is your thing, they're great.
Piracy exists on consoles, retard.
Cinematic AAA games are the same thing as VN. It's not like these games are praised for their complex gameplay systems.
>but all the good exclusive's haven't even been released yet
Nigger, the PS4 is going to be dead in a year, all its exclusives are out at this point.
Not really, their open worlds aren't even particularly good or interesting.
Again, they are the epitome of design-by-committee trash.
They excel at nothing and everything in all of their games ranges from shit to average.
There is a reason that they are one of the most successful game developers of all time. Ubisoft makes the best open world games on the market. Most gamers will agree with this sentiment.
Not really, and success doesn't really mean anything, otherwise Fortnite and Fifa are the best games ever.
Because despite the rampant piracy, it still makes a decent profit. Sure, your game could technically make, say $10M, if nobody pirated but an extra $2M is still an extra $2M at the end of the day
>There is a reason that they are one of the most successful game developers of all time. Ubisoft makes the best open world games on the market.
But Fortnite is the most successful open world game on the market, ergo it's the best.
>999
999 is a great game, but it's multiplat.
You mean that genre thats dead
Yeah, the past where the only PC games that were talked about ever was Half Life and Counter Strike Source/1.6.
>But from a pure craftsmanship perspective, they're well-done.
They are buggy as hell.
Yeah so much great consoles exclusives these days such as...
It's fine, game streaming will bring an end to all consumer rights.
This. Fucking this.
On PC you can only have launcher exclusivity
I agree buying all consoles from the 7th 8th gen between the years. i had way more good games on my consoles then on my pc.
Yeah but 99% of the console owners are too dumb to know how to pirate games
sony doesn't just "fund" naughty dog, they own them. maybe if nvidia bought studios like sony does, pc would start getting worthwhile exclusives.
Why would you care if games are multiplats at all? Are you saying exclusives are somehow good? All they do is shoehorn a consumer into a certain platform.
