This is the greatest game of all time & nobody can prove me wrong

It does not have a Job System

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It’s fine. I think I’ve played it too much

No

Kefka isnt a particularly great villain. His antics are fun early on

My nigga. Final Fantasies with job systems are the best.

>Calling Jesus a nobody
*tips fedora*

>a great villain
yikes

>greatest game of all time
>the game is literally bugged to the point that basic stats don't even function
What did he mean by this?

FF7 did the narrative heavy JRPG with shit gameplay thing better

>Half the characters aren't fleshed out
>Main Villain is lul randumb clown
>Best song is plagerised
Hrmmmm

you're making the statement, the burden of proof is on you to convince us it is the greatest game of all time.

Compared to other FF villains Kefka is a pretty memorable villain

7’s gameplay was quick though.

Well said, though I'd argue that Kefka isn't a good villain. His backstory is never properly explained, his past and how he came to be the maniac he is in-game are left up to the player. His motivations are nonexistent, he simply wants to gain power and reap chaos, because it's what the script requires him to do. He has all the depth of a Power Rangers villain.

He’s only memorable for being so shit

Everyone before him was not memorable except maybe Garland.

Seph isbetter imo

8 took its time establishing a real villain and she sucked

Kuja I could go either way

Seymour is trying too hard

Vayne had some interesting aspects but is too distant, Cid was more of the villain

Yea I guess you’re right

>Kefka's entire backstory is told to you by a single NPC in a bar in one town in the first half of the game, and is entirely just "yeah, Cid did magic experiments on him but OOPSIE DOODLE HE WENT KOOKY KOKOPUFFS!"

Kefka gets way too much attention for being "the villain" when him having ANY importance at all is technically something that only affects the last 20% of the game and for the entire rest of it he's no more important than the Turks.

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He's only memorable because he 'wins'. But he doesn't win because hes some ultra genius or formidable villain. It just sorta happens

>was not memorable
A F U C K I N G T R E E

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That’s a lame backstory. “He just lost his mind”

And raises more questions

The characters are jobs themselves...

I like Exdeath but i did not imagine him to be well remembered by most

A lot of those abilities are not efficient

V is better, storyfag

>weak cast of characters

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I think 7 is better. I think what it comes down to for me is how they both handle their biggest narrative flaw

World of Ruin and Disc 2, outside of a few moments, are not as good as what comes previously and kind of screw up some good pacing that was built up.

But 7 manages to keep the throughline going better through this with the section about figuring out Aeris’ plan. Avenging her sacrifice becomes the heart of the story. 6’a latrer half lacks anything that strong and strongly connected to the main story. Getting back Locke comes the closest but it resolves a subplot only

>Locke pays a crazy guy to keep a corpse in his basement of some girl he used to fuck so he can hopefully bring her back to life with some vague treasure eventually
>Celes has no problem with this and isn't creeped out at all
>also Celes can sing an entire opera in a perfect imitation of a woman that looks like her after practicing for an hour despite having no formal voicing training

Kefka is a failed science experiment. They tried infusing esper magic onto him and it made him go insane. They tried infusing him with his magic from living espers, its when espers are turned to magicite that its easier to obtain magic... you didnt pay attention...

That’s still a lame backstory because it just means he “is crazy because science”

He's crazy because he's a prototype for Magitek Knights, with Celes being a later success.

Overall it is weak. There’s maybe enough character for half of them

It was too much magic for his mind to handle at once... it fragmented his mind but okay. Sephiroth was strong as fuck and never questioned it until he saw a monster and read a couple books... time to burn down this village and summon a meteor...

since we are all here. what guys can you tell me the snes classic version of ff6?

Yea, that’s lame for the main villain. Changes little about what people complain about: little motivation besides wanting power and chaos, and lucking into power

That still doesn't give him motivation. If anything, he should be AGAINST the empire for fucking him over.

There’s more motivation and agency in Seph’s. Not calling it high art.

And his plan beats “move statues around”

Trying to make everyone the main character just meant that most characters were underdeveloped, there is no character as strong as other FF protagonists like Cloud or Squall or Tidus.

Kefka's value as a villain is in how through the entire game the party doesn't actually much care about him and is instead trying to fight the guy with ACTUAL understandable goals of conquest that is behind everything that happens in the plot [Gestahl], only for in the last five minutes of real plot development the completely insane, sadistic and genocidal clown to trip on his own blood and gain ultimate power over magic instead.
And at that point even the Evil Emperor goes "oh fuck no" because even he is appalled at the idea of causing a cataclysm by messing up with the alignment of the Triad.

Raises the question why he trusted the clown at all though

Not sure I’d include Tidus and Squall in this one but yea. And the games with smaller casts have more memorable side characters.

I can tell you way more about Aeris and Tifa than Celes and Terra.

Actually they soend most of the time fighting kefka, acting as the Emperor’s catspaw, but Gestahl was not present enough for Kefka to be a convincing fakeout villain

He wasnt always a clown, and he led an army of magic infused soldiers.

So are a lot of jobs

But Gestahl knows he’s a clown now and still used him like a right hand man

I mean there's the GBA port if you want a stable version of the game

my favorite game too.

btw who would you cast as kefka's english VA if they had decided to remake VI instead?

Can change them at least

Jim carrey

Gau is a fucking beast

Kefka betrayed the Empire once he learned in Narshe that Espers could be turned into Magicite and gain more power, thats when he plotted to kill the Espers in their World and use that to gain more power and move the Statues to shape and control the world.

Have you not played Dissidia? He has an English voice in that and it's pretty good.
Exdeath is a weird case where he doesn't have much personality but the game does a great job at making him feel threatening. Any time he shows up in person everything goes horribly wrong and I love it.

He is broken as fuck.

>"what is he gonna do, fry me with lightning?"
>Quote by man fried with lightning

That's the problem, really, and the main problem I have with the villains in VI, Kefka should have gotten his introduction in Figaro to establish him early on, but the Emperor should have gotten way more scenes. Especially considering the squandered potential he has over the fact Terra's dying mother literally entrusted her baby to him by hand as she lay dying.

Gestahl thought Kefka was working for him, he let him out of jail to go turn espers into magicite at the mage village and had him kill Leo

op is 100% correct. although id prefer if the title said III and not VI. ff3 was my first jrpg, the first game i ever bought with my own money, and my first snes game. i might be biased towards it, but its a great goddamn game. bought it on the fact that all i knew is a guy could use a chainsaw on the badguys

Yes. And he was a difficulty spike too, so you dreaded knowing he was not dead

>a silver haired faggot falls down from the heavens like Stark goblin and stabs the cuck
>somehow more tragic and memorable than this

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...or was at least okay with Leo being a casualty

I love Terra!

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>failed suicide attempt
>tragic

>either of those somehow more tragic and memorable than this
>especially with the party actually trying to heal and revive him with white magic and phoenix downs but it's not working

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It would be a good twist for unstable underling to become the main villain if his boss was set up better

But I always saw Kefka as the primary antagonist on some level because he was being directly antagonistic and gestahl was kind of generic

>mfw i played this game 4 times over my life and never knew cid could die until i came to Yea Forums
i wonder what other little things like that ive missed in games

>fights with 0hp
That part was so awesome

To be fair, Aerith died. Celes only attempted to kill herself, and then recovers almost right away.

Honestly if we got to fight Gestahl even once that would have been much better. Maybe instead of Ultima Weapon we should have fought him, or he summons Ultima or some shit I don't know

The reason why is simple... because you do not het her back or a replacement immediately.

Normura or Kitase say something like that “the fact there is a hole where she was is why it worked”

And I think it shows the writers of 7 did a good job with the little love triangle subplot, people (mostly guys) felt like there was something to be there and it’s cut short.

>aerith
go away, weeb. whats next, you call him butz instead of bartz?

How did Gestahl and Kefka get past Ultima Weapon anyway

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Tbh that took me out of the scene

>had Galuf as a Berserker at the time
>goes full fucking Guts angry on Exdeath to the point he burns up his spirit and can't be healed

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wait which one was she called aerith or aeris in? I don't remember anymore

I think they set it loose, they raised the continent with the triad’s power after all

Kefka was strong enough to barrier it off, or weaken it and pass through like a Chad.

>Celes has no problem with this and isn't creeped out at all
who do you think led the attack that killed her in the first place

aeris was the american release

Rose (I think that was her name) fell. Locke stupidly brought her on an adventure

>Aerith
AHEM

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Ah, so it was. It's been a while. Sorry.

I don’t get it

Kefka had been Gestahl's most skilled and cunning general for at least 16 years before the game began. He was his right-hand man. That's why Gestahl invested in making him the first Magitek knight in the first place. He's not really a clown. Why do you guys focus so much on his gaudy fashion sense?

Only way it c ould have been better would be if the game somehow started counting HP in the negatives down to -9999

Why was that, user? I'm curious.

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kefka's japanese name is cefka

It's a play on a bad romanization for Kefka in some JP supplementary materials that showed his English name

>he should be AGAINST the empire for fucking him over
dude, he's against everything and wants to destroy reality.

No, that's how she lost her memory. She survived that. She was later killed by the empire almost immediately after she regained her memory and how much she loved Locke. That's why Locke joined the Returners in the first place.

And her name was Rachel.

He came across as boobish in the game’s events until the last act of part 1

He is persnickety, pestering, etc as well. That’s why

Because I knew there were suddenly no consequences during ostensibly a gameplay sequence

Oh you're right

>major plotline in the second world is how Kefka is sapping away the world's magic and life is dying out as a result
>magic is shown to disappear from the world after Kefka's defeat
>then in the end credits, everything is somehow starting to come back to life with magic gone anyways
okay, game

I don’t remember that, I thought the world was just fucked up and rebuilding was impeded by Kefka deliberately keeping them miserable and squald

And how would you have it changed, user? An auto-battle sequence, like Tellah and Golbez in IV? Same setup, same structure, but no player input at all?

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I think the moment is well directed, but I think 6 and 7 have more distinct, more fleshed out characters and a more nuanced narrative. The story is more a means to contextualize good gameplay in FFV, but 6 and 7 were just a bit more ambitious and I think they are a bit better for it.

Right, but he is still one of Gestahl's most esteemed generals. He proved himself to Gestahl during either the Gestahlian empire's first or second military campaign.

Life isn't dying because magic is going away, life is dying because every tectonic plate in the planet has been rocked like a billiard table and there's a crazy clown in a tower of jump cutting gashes through the planet's crust with a laser of divine Fuck You every time somebody sneezes.

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Frankly I think it’s one of those things where there is no right answer.

Having him fight is fine I just do not buy the idea it was particularly immersive because there was gameplay involved

I think the real reason it did not stick as much as Aeris is due to music and krile.

That’s kinda me. Not that games have not done better things, it’s just these two got what they needed to get right 110% right

I don't understand the appeal of Nintendo games. Them being so highly rated feels more like the fruit of Nintendo's marketing department than the actual merits of the games.

"Nintendo games" is a really vague statement that ends up making the idea behind it odd. Are you talking about first party titles? Because otherwise you'd be talking about a gorillion games made by a gorillion different companies with different development and game design practices which also made games for a lot of other systems, it's difficult to even put them all under the same umbrella.

Obviously I'm talking about first party titles, I don't get how you would even misunderstand this.

i want to protect her smile!

I dunno, this is Yea Forums, anything can happen, really.
But alright, carry on.

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celes was my waifu before i knew waifus were a thing. i still think shes pretty

this game is truly amazing, the only real issue with it is that you can become extremly OP if you know what you're doing, and even then that's extremly fun for a lot of people

I think it's fine. It was not designed for playing through by people who know what they are doing, it is pretty much impossible to become truly op on a blind first playthrough. If you want to min-max, you truly have to go out of your way, and the info on how to min-max is not present in the game so that info can only be obtained from guides or by extensive testing.

>"Oh man Terra seems so vulnerable and reserved, she must be pretty young."
>"Oh wow Celes is an accomplished imperial general, she must be a fair bit older than most of the other party members."
>they're both 18 years old

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>when you get atma weapon, illumina, genji glove and offering and destroy everything in 1 attack
i wish more games would give you combos like this

To be fair Terra has the mental development of a toddler so the first part is right, she was basically Kefka's murderslave forever.

great list there but Chrono Cross being on there is weird. Great soundtrack and I bought that game, but really a disappointment compared to Chrono Trigger.

It's not even the best in it's series
it's XII

>thread about a videogame
>completly dead
some stereotypes are true

not enough waifus I guess

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