Which was worse?

u have to pay for ds1 too

horses spawn infinitely, you HAVE to fight them, and you need to run through the area again if you die to 2cat. you can run straight through izalith without aggroing any dragon butts, it takes a second to go through, and a bonfire is there after the dragon butt part is over. they're both shit areas but izalith has the decency to be finished in an instant. the snowfield is just a boring and annoying slog.

>It's easy as fuck and honestly a 10 minute segment in the game at max, also that boss? What a joke.
That's why it's terrible.

Yeah, but you have to buy the DLC seperate from Dark souls 2.
>inb4 scholar of the first shit.

If you or Yea Forums as a collecitve have time to complain about that then start doing more with your life.

>If you have time to be unhappy with a bad level in an otherwise good game, you need to start doing more with your life

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as overrated as 2's dlc areas are, lost isalith, easily.

Izalith
But Crystal Caves is even worse than both of these combined

Frigid outskirts because It's significantly harder.

Have sex.

It's awful because there's no design to it. It's mostly just dragon butt spam and then the worst boss in the game. Bed of Chaos can either be piss easy, or frustratingly hard for all the wrong reasons. It's the definition of a terribly designed boss.

frigid outskirts without summons

I'd rather go through lost izalith 20 times than play float souls 2 at all. The opinion that it's just not a good souls game is simply wrong, If my time with a game is insufferable based almost entirely on it's shitty animations then i don't know what people think good is.

What the fuck are you doing here then?

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its not problem when you can summon 3 npcs to fight them then summon them away near fog gate

Alright, bend over.

As much as I like DaS2, there's no defending horsefuck valley. It's just pure torture.

Dude just wait for the blizzard
to die down and run to the next safe zone

>horses spawn infinitely, you HAVE to fight them
Learn to roll. There's no reason to fight the horse attack squad.

The area is shit though.

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Not to mention that you can take a route that doesn't aggro any, except maybe one at the end

youtube.com/watch?v=gDvXhbriFE8

They meme on it because it's very clearly an unfinished mess of an area with assets (literally ass-ets if you will) just copy and pasted everywhere.

>horse
darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Frozen Reindeer

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Dedicated coop areas were a retarded idea, fuck the b team

>not just skipping lost isalith
lol have sex

Lost Izalith.
It is mandatory.
It is like you glitched into an unfinished area but then you realized they released the game like this. It's fucking insulting.

Frigid Outskirts is shit, but it is optional. Plus you get a great greatsword from the boss.

YOU DON'T GET A SINGLE GOOD ITEM FROM LOST IZALITH.

>氷馬
>Ice Horse

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Most people here havent actually played ds1 in years and just spout the opinions of their favorite eceleb.

Both, Fromsoft games are trash, you'll figure it out too one day.

amazing how people can look at the garbagefests that are 1 and 2 and think they're better than 3 or even close to being as good

>iterally ass-ets if you will
more like literally half assed assets lmao

i honestly really liked the frigid outskirts, i really felt like i was exploring something and the storms felt really cool too, but i absolutely hated the reindeer

kys

>Boy these reindeer are tough
>I know! Instead of remaining to engage with them, I'll KEEP RUNNING and spawn MORE AND MORE and then bitch about it later

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Ds2's was more kino, but also worse

>Ds2's was more kino
I think the word you're looking for is "kuso".

In the original release the dragon asses aggroed from miles away

It's always funny to see people complain about bed of chaos and reading these same people praising Demon's Souls even though Dragon God is an even worse offender by blueballing you with the foreshadowing and an even worse puzzle boss than BoC.

fuck off weeaboo

At least horsecock valley was funny.

lost izalith, i seriously can't believe that it made it into the game in the state it was in. it seriously looks embarrassing, i would not want my name in the credits of a game with such a lazy thrown together shit area in it.

That route is basically invisible and a guess.

The Dragon God was a case of blueballing, but the battle itself wasn't as bad as the one against the Bed of Chaos.

the problem is you. you're a shitter who never got gud.

The Frigid Outskirts never received a patch to improve visibility, unlike Lost Izalith, and the reindeer were reskins of the Sanctuary Guardian with some new moves. You basically had a boss constantly thrown at you, and the very act of dodging attacks and zoning would often trigger another one to appear. The spawn points for the reindeer were small and packed like sardines. There were even less items to discover if you bothered exploring the Frigid Outskirts compared to Lost Izalith, and there was never any "cool, I can walk on lava without getting instantly wrecked" moment. Overall, Lost Izalith is the better area, though both are honestly quite bad.

Lost Izalith because it was unfinished and had tons of potential that it didnt live up to. Frigid Outskirts was just a short optional segment thats not as bad as people with an irrational dislike for DS2 make it up to be.

>you HAVE to fight them

You dont though.

That's it?
At least it doesn't bother you or stop you from doing anything else because of meme difficulty or something. Defiled Hotdog is a more enjoyable experience than even thinking about DaS2's blizzard segment.

They're fast as hell, have projectiles, and can spawn in front of you or blitz you from the side. It's not that easy to just dash past all of them.

Dragon God is a way more consistent fight even if it is a letdown of a boss fight.

Wrong person to preach about how shit DaS2's levels are, man. I dropped that piece of shit like a bad habit. Never even beat it.

At least the Frozen Wastes are followed up by one of the chaddest bosses in the entire series

Bed of Chaos just caps off the shit sandwich that is Lost Izalith

The point of the post was "it's not notably bad because it's a breeze that's over with fairly quickly". Yes it could have had a lot more to it, yes I tjink there should have been more enemy types, yes I think you should have unlocked the boss by going into the underground poison pit, but it's so easy the flaws lose their fangs because nobody deals with them for that long.

My complaint isn't that it's too hard, it's that it's a blemish on a great game. It's a short burst of shit in a game that's been generally pretty damn good from the start.
I dislike Tomb of the Giants more anyway.

>Double reskin of a boss you fought in the same DLC
>Chad

It's Virgin as hell.

that's like the 4th time i've seen this insult used today. Is this the new meme?

It was stolen from Yea Forums

Lost Izalith is a product of rushing for deadlines.
Frigid Wastes (or whatever the fuck) is a product of
>LOL PREPARE2DIEXD
Each DLC has a "fuck you" area designed as a meat grinder and throws half-assed content at you.
>remember that boss from earlier? well now there's two of them
>a base game boss but blue
>three random NPCs

Frigid Outskirts is an absolute hellscape

I have never had a problem with it, both from a gameplay point of view or mindset that it was unfinished. To this day I just think of it as a speedrun area where you go through it without any equipment to the next bonfire, then once you have a checkpoint you can rush to the next area which is on land. I find the lava to be the puzzle. As for the enemies, I don't think you're meant to kill them but they are perma killed once and don't reload.

Dark Souls 2 ice DLC co op area sucks because of the infinite respawning fags, near infinite I should say but they can come up in groups of 4 and your sense of direction is fucked up with. The boss at the end is a copy paste and woefully bad too, I did the area by myself and I hate it to this day. Awful, the worst really in all Souls games.

Frigid Outskirts by far.

At least LI didn't have ice reindeers fucking you up the ass out of nowhere

Izalith because it's not optional

I fucking adore Frigid Outskirts and love the Lud and Zullen boss fight.

Ask me anything

The ice level was good it was just brutally difficult. I thought that’s what we wanted?

the horses have never been infinite, 15 spawns each like the rest of the game

>and there was never any "cool, I can walk on lava without getting instantly wrecked" moment.
nah, stuff like the ruins and the wandering faram knight were real enjoyable, for me anyhow

The reindeers have a 15 death spawn limit like everything in Dark Souls 2. Buuuut and here is the big BUT; they randomly trigger through the level so say you're walking towards the boss in the most optimal manner after memorizing the level layout, you will still come across reindeers at least 3-5 and those 5 can be any of the 10 that spawn. The one you've been killing could be Reindeer #13 and on the next respawn the next could be Reindeer #10. The reindeers spawn in a storm and whoever comes at you could be any of the 10 or whatever and so it makes it much harder to attrition them out.

huh, my bad i take it back, cheers user.

the snow area in DS2 was fun in coop though
>snowstorm passes
>"okay, go go go!"
>SNOWSTORM INCOMING
>PREPARE FOR IMPACT
>THERE HE IS

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>I will never have to experience unpatched Izalith
Feels so good.

アイスゴーレム
Ice golem

>Ask me anything
What's it like, to live on bizzaro Earth?

very square

cool

Izalith is only bad for the first half and once you open the shortcut you never have to deal with that half again.

I actualy liked the snow storm area. Made for a pretty tense atmosphere slowly progressing and getting ambushed by the ponies. Unironicaly think its one of the best zone to coop in DS2

>pictures 1 to 5 are of the "ice golem"
>pictures 6 and 7 are of the "ice horse"
>pictured on the page are pictures 6 and 7
ナイス golem

DS1 post-Anor Londo was awful

DS2 is just awful in its entirity

Never bothered with the DS2 co-op gauntlets after the recoloured Smelter Demon. I've played through the game a fair few times, and it's never seemed remotely worth it.

Love DS2 though.
Izalith is also annoying, but it's also ten seconds long. The biggest issue is that they make you wade back to the Bed of Chaos instead of just putting a bonfire right next to the gate. They already knew it was shit enough to save your progress mid-fight.

Lost Izalith actually hurts my eyes with all that bright neon orange lava.
Frigid Wastes might have been equally awful but at least it's not physically painful to look at.

you can bypass the entire lava area

you can also skip the entirety of it via a covenant instead of having to even fight Centipede Demon or go into the lava

You can save Solaire's life.

Lost Izalith at least has the grace to be easy, fuck that area in DS2. I can't even remember the name.

Lost Izalith. While Frigid Outskirts wasn't exactly fun I can really appreciate what they were attempting with it. Meanwhile Lost Izalith is so unfinished in its bad design and reused copy and pasted enemies it's a determent to the entire product quality of the game.

The ruins in the Frigid Outskirts amount to meager huts with no proper rooms, and there are only two of them to boot. Izalith has more content thanks to its intact city section, including the Siegmeyer quest line, the invasion by Kirk, and the battle with a Daughter of Chaos.

It's also, in a weird metric, the best "somewhat hidden and off to the side, co-op based Dark Souls 2 DLC area". All 3 DLCs had them but despite how much better Iron King and Sunken King were than Ivory King, they had far worse examples of those areas.

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Have sex goalpost moving cuckold