Mehrunes Dagon is unquestionably evil. Most of the Daedric Princes are. You can say "they are beyond good and evil" but that's simply not true. Molag Bal is even worse and absolutely impossible to defend with this "beyond alignment" bullshit. You can't have a title like "King of Rape" and be a good guy, unless you are asserting there is an instance where rape is a good thing. Are you asserting that, Yea Forums?
Mehrunes Dagon is unquestionably evil. Most of the Daedric Princes are...
Carson Barnes
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Jaxon Smith
Yes.
Nathan Mitchell
No one things Mehrunes Dagon and Molag Bal aren't typically evil besides their worshipers.
Shit like Meridia and the 3 good Daedra to the Dunmer are the reason you can't classify them all as inherently evil though.
Dylan Phillips
I don't think they're inherently evil, but some of them certainly are. Azura and Meridia do more good than bad, and I'd argue that Jyggalag is distinctly neutral.
John Cooper
I always thought they were 'beyond good and evil' in the sense morality isn't a factor at all intrinsic to their existence, they're just the manifestation of something. For example, Dagon is the manifestation of destruction as well as revolution, and we all agree that revolutions can be a good thing, but Dagon doesn't care either way. "Good and bad" is irrelevant when he wills action to change, he just is change.
Alexander Morales
Rape is sometimes a good thing. Specifically when the victim does not intend to have children but is unwilling or unable to abort the rapist's child, rape is the only way to give life to that child. The act of rape itself may not be pleasant but, unless you're willing to look the child in the eye and tell them they shouldn't have been born, it is good in at least that one instance.
Hunter Powell
Dont deal with Daedra unless you are Fyr
Noah Ward
A bit of but mostly people just being retarded. Even Azura is blatantly a manipulative, controlling bitch.
Connor Long
Different prince m8
John Adams
Was the real reason why Elder Scrolls wrote out Jyggalag because Peryite was already the prince of order and having two of them is redundant?
Jeremiah James
>Azura
>orchestrates a millenia-spanning plot and curses an entire race just to kill three people that broke a vow to her
>Mephala
>leads two cults of murderers, regularly compels mortals to murder each other for no reason
>Boethiah
>does the same as Mephala but has different murder cults
They're the Good Daedra because of the role they had in the Chimer's pilgrimage, not because they're actually good.
Charles James
Did you not read the OP?
Jayden Miller
Since when is Boethiah seen as a good daedra?
Oliver Taylor
>wrote out
I think the better question is: why was Bethesda inconsistent in Shivering Isles about whether or not the Greymarch cycle has been broken? I assume it wasn't and Sheogorath is a retard, which is why Jiggsy was "written out" in Skyrim.
But yeah, the overlap in roles is dumb.
Noah Barnes
Mehrunes is largely evil but ambitions aren't inherently evil. Where would Tiber Septim be without ambition? Ulfric Stormcloak? Ambition is just amoral and corrupting, but it doesn't inherently equal evil.
Austin Lewis
>tries to justify rape
Joseph Sanchez
They're not exactly the same thing. Peyrite is tasked with keeping order in hell while for Jyaggalag order is the source of power.
Samuel Murphy
lmao retard
go play morrowind or at least the dragonborn dlc, don't post itt again until you do
Samuel Cox
as far as I'm aware, Peryite orders things as they naturally should or ought to be, keeping things in their place. Jyggalag, however, is absolute order and wills everything to be the same and collectivised like the Borg.
Jason Sullivan
His spheres weren't even mentioned until SI, or that he's now Sheogorath, so no.
Matthew Richardson
>Meridia
And yet she was revered by the Ayleids, one of the most brutal races in Tamrielic history. A common misconception is Meridia's hatred for undead somehow equates to value of life, when in truth she really doesn't give a damn. She's no better than Clavicus or Hircine.
or Sotha Sil, but he's a computer and/or dead
Caleb Ward
Ashlander get out
Colton Lopez
That isn't what I mean, because practicing necromancy isn't an evil thing either. You know, in.. ES concepts. She just hates it. But most people see undead as kind of "oh that ain't good" and as such she's seen as being decent, as the loading screen in Skyrim says.
I'm just saying it's why you can't classify them under good and evil, and OP is explicitly wrong for this reason.
Lincoln Cruz
The entire plot of vanilla ESO is just Meridia playing 4D chess with Molag by inserting entire city of her cultist in Coldharbour. She really doesn't give a shit about mortals
Jaxon Price
>inserting entire city of her cultist in Coldharbour
what
how
why
Zachary Moore
Unlike in D&D, necromancy in Elder Scrolls isn't strictly evil, but I seriously doubt you can give me an instance where it's good, especially considering you're not just animating a corpse; you're rebinding that soul to its corpse. It's basically slavery and torture combined, and the zombie itself will even occasionally cry about it.
Gabriel Torres
go back to tumblar
why should you be able to justify good or evil not being on a demigod level as them
Oliver Kelly
Fighting for the good of people, a village that can't defend itself.
It's a big problem I have with D&D, a wizard can animate zombies to protect a town, but by the rules he will fall lower on the good/evil axis. Even if he's reanimating animals or the things attacking the town.
Daniel Gray
You can use those zombies to do good things, but the very act of reanimating them is undeniably evil. Did you miss the slavery/torture thing?
Isaac Moore
The King of Rape has done nothing wrong.
Kevin Hughes
Don't remember exactly how it happened but she managed to put it there so the forces raiding his plane centuries later can have a raiding base. It didn't end up nice for it's original inhabitants
Jaxon Carter
Considering the TeS universe is the dream of a being that believes itself to be similar to that of a human, then yes, M.D and M.B are the objective ideas of destruction and pain.
Ryan Kelly
The good can counteract the evil, is what I'm saying. Or that things like that just aren't seen as importantly in the grand scheme of things to the people in ES. Plenty of people don't like seeing their friends and families have their souls disturbed. But plenty of people don't care in the slightest.
Nathan Turner
Question: Is it more evil to create a zombie... or trap their soul for eternity in the Soul Cairn?
Daniel Ward
>Peryite was already the prince of order
I thought he was a glorified janitor.
Kayden Thomas
Trap their soul. You're damning them for eternity
Camden Lewis
>but I seriously doubt you can give me an instance where it's good
the dunmer would kill you if you called it "necromancy," but it basically is: ghost fences that families use to protect their tombs, and of course the huge famous one that was used to seal off red mountain. most or all of these fences were powered by the remains and spirits of those who volunteered in their wills.
William Rivera
What do you think janitors do?
Hudson Bell
Peryite is more like "consistency" across oblivion, since oblivion is like a semi-reality. Without some degree of consistency, what would separate it from total abstractness that would make up Atherius?
Zachary Perry
it.
James Nelson
>unquestionably evil
How many NPC's have you killed just to see what happens? Daedra aren't apart of Mundus, they're just having fun in a virtual world.
William Young
I only play no-kill runs.
Joshua Howard
They’re completely different. It’s easier to remember Jyggalag is just the opposite of sheogorath (madness, chaos, illogical). So, his sphere is better described as perfection, logic, order. Peyrite’s sphere is just “natural order”, so letting things be as they are. You could say he’s sort of the neutral to the other two extremes.
It seems like the CoC mantled Sheogorath, so if there’s another grey march I imagine it would be a war against the true Jyggalag for control of the realm. I’m expecting they’ll just keep it vague though. It really comes down to shitty writers scared to declare player choices canon and wrote themselves into corners with their last three MCs. I’m interested to see how they write the Dragonborn out of the next game.
Blake Nelson
who is the guy in the double breasted suit supposed to be??
Grayson Moore
Aren't deadra inherently padomaic? Jyggalag is trying to embody an anuic force and basically drove himself insane thus becoming sheogorath
Zachary Torres
Can't tell if bait or a shit joke. No one could be so indoctrinated in natalism that they think rape babies is positive.
Benjamin Edwards
Molag did unspeakable things to this pure virgin lily. How can anyone support such a wicked being?
Aiden Ortiz
>Mehrunes Dagon is unquestionably evil.
He was the kindly Leaper Devil King who would jump back in time and save pieces of reality that Alduin destroyed. He got caught and now trying to redestroy what he saved.
Isaiah Hall
She volunteered
Michael Diaz
>pure virgin
if you know her back story youd know this is false
Isaac Torres
>Aren't Daedra inherently padomaic
No, they're inbetween.
>Jyggalag went insane because he was trying to embody an anuic force
No, he went insane because they threw him into a metaphysical hole that was left by Lorkhan.
Ayden Thompson
No she didn't? That's literally how you become a Daughter of Coldharbour; Molag Bal rapes you, kills you, and raises your violated carcass as a vampire.
Juan Howard
The other daedra got jealous and imprisoned him as sheogorath because he was too powerful.
As I remember, daedra just refers to those that didn’t participate in the creation of Mundus. Whether they’re anuic or padomayic doesn’t matter, and it just so happened that many anuic beings participated in Mundus. Lorkhan was padomayic and as far as man is concerned is benevolent and helps them out quite a bit. Akatosh on the other hand is anuic and kind of an asshole. I don’t get why men worship him.
Easton Nelson
>rape is inherently evil
Are you calling nature evil? All species rape; it is only the construct of society and arbitration of law that stems the tide of the natural inclination of the male to rape.
Aaron Reed
Morality is a spook, n'wah
Jack Ross
>I’m interested to see how they write the Dragonborn out of the next game.
They already did. Did you play through the Dragonborn DLC?
Being 1000% honest: not sure. Maybe this en.uesp.net
I fucking hated Tribunal
Owen Turner
They didn't write your Skyrim character out, they just haphazardly threw Miraak in. And then they clumsily had to explain why he was the first Dragonborn and not Alessia.
Angel King
it's sheo, even though he doesn't look like him
you can tell cause of all the forks and the netch
Parker Walker
On the contrary: Herma-Mora kept Miraak alive for thousands of years, because he really, REALLY wanted a Dragonborn servant.
By the time of TES6, TLD will have mysteriously disappeared into a pocket dimension of Apocrypha, just like Miraak.
Might it be the guy that owned the Fork of Horripilation?
Juan Bailey
It was kind of necessary after they retconned the concept of what “dragonborn” meant. The dragons weren’t relevant by the time of Alessia. It was dumb that despite being the first, miraak didn’t give a shit about helping with the dragon rebellion.
>emperor Mede assassinated
>empire falling apart
>elves fucking around
>person that could claim success to the septim dynasty and save the empire is fucking around in oblivion
kek. This is worse than the nerevarine fucking off and letting morrowind completely collapse
Brandon Murphy
>All species rape
No they do not, Rape is the pure use of force to mate against the will of one of the partners. While some animals indeed purely selected based on the males ability to force themselves on the female, countless use other methods.
Mason Thomas
>You can't have a title like "King of Rape" and be a good guy, unless you are asserting there is an instance where rape is a good thing.
"Rape" is simply a rough abstraction of his metaphysical domain.
You might also interpret it as "Domination" or "Conquering" or other aspects of total subjugation that don't wholly encompass torture or rape, but may possibly include them.
Oliver Nguyen
have (consensual) sex, incel
Josiah Martinez
100% Sheogorath, his statue is in the sewers of vivec and thats what his incarnation looks like in the game.
Jesus christ this game is dope, time to boot it up again.
Jayden Wright
Who do you think was the strongest between The Nerevarine, The Champion of Cyrodiil and The Dragonborn? I feel like the Nerevarine is pretty high-tier since he's immortal and canon managed to slay at least two (semi) divine beings, and possibly Vivec;
Owen Miller
Champion of Cyrodiil is canonically Sheogorath by the time of Skyrim, and a Sheogorath that doesn't have to worry about the Greymarch to boot. Even if they were slain they'd come back because of how Oblivion works.
If you're talking about their playable incarnations then probably Nerevarine? But then Champion of Cyrodiil takes down Jygalaag with a shitty, incomplete set of Sheogorath's powers.
Brody Peterson
Would the Empire ever acknowledge Sean Bean's bastard/s if they ever show themselves? Or would they not give a damn, Septim or no?
Austin Torres
True, but at the same time ALMSIVI took on Daedric Princes and won, and the Nerevarine beat 2 of them, plus Dagoth Ur who was much stronger than any of the Tribunal at the time.
Josiah Cox
Can you fight any Princes in Skyrim?
Charles Garcia
>don't worry i'll be gentle
kek
Carter Butler
>You can't have a title like "King of Rape" and be a good guy
ACTUALLY if you're the "King or Rape" you're undeniably neutral good. everyone enjoys being raped. Do you seriously think there's a female alive that doesn't want to get pouded by a buff, ripped, powerful KING (or prince, still fuckin royalty) that's twice her size and has a literal magical gigantic penis? her vagina would be a gushing fountain.
Do you seriously think there's a man alive that doesn't want to be forced into the pussy slave by a giantess with supernatural soft bouncy boobs each larger than a mudcrab, a vagina that can shapeshift to maximize sperm extracting, magical brappowers, and sometimes an ovipositor? balls drained, entirely.
grow up kid. white-knighting won't get you laid. black-knighting always will, and it's actually consensual- your partner just won't admit it publicly.
also, animals can't explicitly consent, so I guess literally every time they fuck at lest one is getting raped? lol every puppy is a rape-baby, sure.
>not raping before killing
obviously would have raped while you're alive if you weren't such a jerk. denial is their form of punishment.
Daniel Jones
based and chadpilled
cringe and eternal incel