GOML 2019

he broke the world record

Is M2K playing?

That's his... special talent

niggers

>Tfw I like bothMelee and Ultimate so I don't have to concern myself with game war shitposts

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>shitposting on an anime video game forum professionally
OHNONONONO

>ultimate
yikes

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Wow user you're so much better and above us.

well he is if by "us" you mean game war posters

can't wait for him to make Leffen cry like a bitch again

post chillins

No, he's streaming Super Mario Maker right now

>"nooooo you HAVE to engage with my mindless shitposting and butthurt"

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>No Bickering Edition
based, we are ONE UNIT

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Leffen vs Zain is going to be very interesting.

all this pic does is make me wonder what kind of person spent their time making that pic

this leo/venom match is clean

Nairo always imo. It's an emotional rollercoaster and he always does cool shit. Never root for him if you care about results though.

someone based

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>Smashfags get shat on so hard by Sonychads that they need to steal their memes
kek

holy fuck n0ne. how big are your balls

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He's taking a long break from melee.

Frankly i think he'll jsut thread water and go for Mario Maker 2

this but for

Fuck, None just doesn't give a fuck

>can't compete cuz gotta work on book
>doesn't work on book, streams NES games
Goddammit m2k

soonsay why
stop going game 5 last stock last hit with every top player
win damnit

cloudbros...

clips.twitch.tv/UninterestedAlertSquidCharlietheUnicorn

lmao wtf n0ne

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clips.twitch.tv/HedonisticEnchantingBaconDoritosChip

Who would you SMASH with?

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Fuck fags and fuck melee

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What is Chillin's endgame?
Why is he accumulating so much mass?

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mkleo looks like danny devito with slightly less wrinkles

Based 64 community, they are the only respectable ones

lel

i love this

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I take Wes so we can get fucked up on adderall afterwards

Duck looks like (s)he sucks a mean dick.

Someone do that but with 2012 mango
Also no homo

wes doesnt use drugs ya silly goose

SAMSORA GODDAMN

Suuure

Zain and Spud for ssure

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>google 2012 mango for reference
>lads on smashboards were already predicting his obese future

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>fuck fags

LOL I bet you do... FAG!

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M2k is taking a long break from Melee. Keep in mind M2k turned 30 this year (which actually makes him the oldest Melee god by a fair margin), so he's probably trying to prepare himself for his twilight years, and going to tournaments just isn't going to cut it.

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Was fighterz any good today?

all gt goku?

What does femme Armada look like?

Based and redpilled.

I mean, he's an alcoholic
Kinda comes with the territory

cactus is unironically the only one who doesn't look retarded
if wes wasn't flexing, add(erall) him to the list too.
hbox looks like a granny, esam is just an unholy mess, tafo still looks like tafo, zain's nose, duck is literally just duck with a wig, samsora is still black, zhu has a 6head, and spud doesn't look any different either
what a surprise, ludwig is still a fucking retard

Leff

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m2k said literally this exact same shit when smash 4 came out and proceeded to barely do anything notable in that game

Never stick your dick in crazy.

s2j literally looks like he has down syndrome

He unironically is

So, who's taking the tournament?

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I'd fuck Leffen's male pussy desu

look at the DSLs on samsora holy shit

Hungrybox, duh.

Tweek's Wario is nutty. I wish more Ultimate characters were so fast and combo oriented.

reminds me of missalice

thats just the endless stream of alcohol taking its toll

Probably cause he didn't have a main till cloud, and when cloud came out he was in the beginning of his best career period in melee. This time he'll probably stream mm2 and camp with wolf to gfs.

HugS's list was better.

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Why is it that the norwalk crew are so proud of their alcoholism

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I'd fuck female or male Ludwig

I'd fuck male Ludwig to be honest.

>You can hear Hbox vs S2J on Yoshi's Island in the background of the Ultimate stream
That is oddly amusing to me.

Who's most likely to qualify for Summit here?
SFAT? Swedish? Wizzy?

Samsora, spud, leff and ludwig

you realize theyre all in the same venue right?

>wap wap wap
>ooooOOOOOoooooaaaaa
>GAME
I switched streams to escape the bairs but the disjoint literally hits into setups of entirely different games

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

why can't people just beat HBOX

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unironically hax looking at the bracket

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because that's assault and most smashers are too pussy to do it to other smashers if they aren't white

Best set of the tournament incoming.

What are the weirdest character changes from Smash 4 top players to Ultimate? Watching this reminds me how weird I find it that Zinoto plays Peach now.

>zain leffen
neat

because no one became friends with him

I'm from the future

the grand final will be another snake olimar set

both those characters aren't in melee, user
and brawl already finished

good, i love it when twitch chat seethes

HugS so woke he puts the 3 black guys all at the bottom

Players are actually losing on purpose because they know until Armada comes back the most fun thing melee has to offer is hating on Hbox while he singlehandedly keeps the entire bracket as eternal hype-making underdogs.
Even commentators already talk about who could beat him while the pools are still running. He's becoming the perfect anti-underdog.
>tfw you'll never live in the timeline where Hbox embraces his heel role like a madman instead of being a whinny bitch
So, so close.

you think tafo is black?

does Wizzy have any chance of beating n0ne?

I'm not watching it anyway. I wanted to like that game as a player at best and a spectator at least but Nintendo's retarded decision to balance based on their own crappy online play which includes items, hazards, and shitter rulesets makes them do fucking nothing to save the game from being the boring mess it is. I really didn't think Nintendo could do worse than Smash 4 online and balance but this takes the cake by a long shot.

I know I’m not really close to being able to give advice to top players, but sometimes I feel like people just run into Yoshi’s stuff when they could just stand still or something.

What do we think of Zain?

braindead streetshitter vs spacies
based vs hcuck

hes based for shitting on hbox

NINTENDO

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Where's all the cheering coming from

Reminder Leffen is based

/ourguy/ dkwill on emg2

He's alright
His Marth's pretty cool

How hard are you guys going to cry when Hbox wins again?

FUCKING LEFFEN

biggus leffus
good shit

leff can barely beat zain, he has no hope against hbox

Zain needs to learn how to fuckin DI

Bro how is zain so fucking washed?? I thought he was supposed to save melee, oh well

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CAN I GET A SIZE CHECK ON LEFFEN

Snake beat olimar on the sidestream

I've learned to become completely apathetic when I see his name in grands.

This.
And zain is explicitly only based vs hbox

zain didn't change they just put long hair on him lol

When all is said and done he might be the best Marth to ever do it. There's a reason Armada put Marth at the top of the tier list and no one else proves it like him

I'm gonna cry out of laughter and happiness. Can't wait for him to anally rape Leffen, it's the only reason I want the faggot to make it to Grand Finals.

Fuck. Just woke up and tuned in. What size of Leffen are we on, lads?

>zain
there goes the only chance to put hbox in losers

Huge.

SET OF THE YEAR. top play from both

>that zain vs leffen set
Dear god, that was something else

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>can "barely" beat a roughly equivalently skilled player in an unironically 55-45 (6-4 for memes) MU in his opponent's favour
nah hbox leff will be a nailbitter game 5 like always
sucks that he'll probably choke game 5, also like always

Cry?
user, I'll be celebrating it.

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LARGE.

Imagine if that was grand finals.

the last few games we're looking at EVO'esque leffen. before that not so much.

my crab bucket is ready

Yep. if you play melee you know how high level that shit was, absolutely insane play from both of them. best set of the tourney so far, actually probably the best set we've had this year ?

Because he's a bigger autist then any of the rest of them

2019...PP is forgotten

>Chillin beat Plup's Sheik in friendlies
BASED.

Just a little, I'm pretty numb to it

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did you forget M2K?

Holy fuck man what a set. I never get this excited watching ultimate.

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>all foxes on both streams
nice game shitsmelee tards

>Missed almost all of top 16
>Heard Axe made winners
>He's probably eliminated by now
Is the dream already dead?

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No too hard, I will post the usual "why do I even watch this shit anymore" and probably post a couple of anti-hbox photos and then go to bed

>Fox dittos are boring
>Why?
>...

Plup washed

he lost to swedish, not sure who he plays in losers
i wanna say wizzy but havent checked bracket in a while

Isabelle!

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I'll just blame it on the fact he's been playing too much Ultimate, making him objectively worse at melee

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#moky4summit

>That dair gimp

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>Plup going Fox instead of Sheik
For what purpose? Doesn't his Fox exist solely for Hbox?

is plup drunk?

Axe beat Matteo in losers and plays S2J next
Wizzy is playing n0ne

Whatever happened to Plup's Samus?

Plupbros...

god damn it lucky

Pretty sure they meant tournament, because it was 3-1

MOKY GOD

Holy moky. I better see this kid at summit.

>S2J
That's gonna be fucking nuts. I'm betting S2J will win, but there is hope.

Plup throwing so SFAT can go to Summit

mango is going to just bend sfat over the table tomorrow

big guy 4u

probably wants to warm up his fox

AHHHHHHH WTF SFATBROS HE'S TAKING THE TRAINING WEIGHTS OFF NO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING NO ONONONONO

>fox dittos on both streams
>they're all hype as fuck
Damn, feels good to be a melee fan

Damn, sucks matteo had to play axe
he was on fire today
thanks

Gimr needs to fix his shit stream

I don't think SFATbros exist dude

Be gentle, it's his first time streaming a tournament.

id call myself an sfatbro, he's one of the most genuine dudes ive met, had a heart to heart with him last goml
that said once its the later rounds of bracket, there are definitely more exciting players to cheer for

You should subscribe to VGBootCamp to help him up his production value. Each subscription counts and every dollar directly helps me keep a consistent and high quality stream.

I can't stand wizzrobe

SFATBROS
THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING

>sfraud

SFAT YOU FUCKING RETARD

SFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

How much of a brainlet do you need to be to not appreciate Snake gameplay?

>THAT DAR ''GIMP''

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why?

Is there a second stream ? I wanna watch None Wizzy

I will never understand SFAT. He's like the dumbest genius ever.

NONONO
PLUP CLUB NONONONO

evenmatchupgaming3

youre reading twitch chat arent you?

Thanks user

I've never seen so many chokes in rapid successiin before. That was painful on both sides.

Sometimes I glance over to chat out of curiosity, and it's always people complaining about the character currently being played.

I'm watching n0ne - Wizzy. Who's coming up on main stream?

aside from leffen vs zain, and moky vs Hbox most of this tournament have been lame, and even then zain did sd.

he's an autist that slows everything down and plays lame

No. Hbox just hides his power level, the truth is to be as autistically good at smash as he is and win as much as he does your power levels have to be high. Hbox thus is actually more autistic than M2K, you heard it here first

3-2Swedish

Mango Swede

I want to say no, but yes.

Watch mango lose this set lmao

but tech chases are hype

Time for the fox

Swedish could definitely become the next "godslayer" based on his win against Armada last year. All he needs is for PP to properly return.

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>quit actual good career in order to back air repeatedly with a character in a video game
I hope this fat fuck dies

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I fucking hate you, Mango.

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it feels so comfy compared to Ultimate though

Why does mango have to be so stubborn

hold on, did he quit that new start up job he got?

he started there recently

>Aerial interrupt bair

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Hbox didn't quit his actual job, he's just working in tech now instead of engineering.

This is inaccurate, where's flipsy for mango

It's just a bit out of date, it was made immediately after EVO last year, so it's missing upsets like Zain vs Hbox and Trif vs M2k. I got it from this video: youtube.com/watch?v=V6melG1OL3k

So he DOES have techskill!

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N0ne vs Shroomed, Lucky vs moky, n0ne vs Soonsay and Hax vs aMSa were all pretty hype.

Ally just grabbed twice with the opponent at 160% and he managed to not do down throw up tilt both times

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE MANGO NATION

I can never watch the match when Swedish is playing because he keeps making stupid faces.

Kek, made me chuckle a little.

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hes throwing

>Kirby Kaze
whoever did this needs to be shot
also
>you will never be in the timeline where wobbles got to play vs leffen when he was in his prime
sad times

>mang0 literally gives you micro heart attacks while you watch
fuck you, californian hobo

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>These high aerials on Swedish's shield
Mango pls no

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WHAT THE FUCK

So close. So fucking close.

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what a throw holy fuck

L O L

Lmao swedish THROWING

SWEDISH NOOOOOOOOOOOO

that fucking choke

>Kirby Kaze
What? KirbyKaze has taken a set off Plup before.

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>hype moment is from a borderline SD
yikes...

HOW THE FUCKKKKKKK

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OH MY GOD

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Mango's plot armor. Jesus fucking Christ.

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mfw mango

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SWEBROS NOOOOOOOOOAHAHALMAOOOO

>that dropped edgeguard

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>sd at last game against a god while there were better options
What a idiot

MANGO IS THE SHONEN MC

his tag is KirbyKaze

Scratch that. Reverse it.

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I think his point was that KirbyKaze is one word

THE PLOT ARMOR IS UNBREAKABLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE

what the actual fuck

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>I'm sorry, what's your name again?

>well yes
>but actually no

My heart... holy shitjfjsijfkfkkf

see

AXE S2J ON EVENMATCHUPGAMING3

Ah, that's my b then.

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Fuck off to your vg containment thread
stop making generals on Yea Forums

>Already down 2-1
Being an Axe fan is suffering.

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Who can make it to summit here?

Also did BBB opt in

>fox on crack vs fox on adderall

>Plup going Fox again
Why? If he really wants to warm up his Fox, he can do that during friendlies.

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No.

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are they finishing melee tonight?

no

how the fuck is vgbc so damn bad, I have both emg and that up and vgbc keeps dropping 60fps

why would anyone watch ultimate when the melee stream is on?

Melee top 8 is tomorrow. Schedule is here:docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RY-iipAtzrkWK8y3L9Han68JHy0T9wZpHIGHB0oSGfs/edit#gid=192808528

fuck gimr

small indy production. Be sure to smash that subscribe button so that we can bring you even more high level smash action

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MOOOOOOKKKKYYY

Anyone else feel kinda bad for Anti? He put in a lot of work with Lucario then one of his main kill confirms got nerfed to not working all the time. Kinda put him behind.

wtf dude it's his first tournament

How's Mang0 doing? He was nuts at Pound.

PLUP GOT SMOKED

I think plup is starting to hate melee , playing hbox over and over does something to people.

MOKY THE NEXT GODSLAYER?!?!

Why is plup going to die on this fox hill

Plup choking so bad

>Homie stuck to lose combo

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gimr more like goymr

plup getting dabbed on

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not today

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RIP johnny

Plup always looks dead inside when he has to face HBox.

CHEER UP

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Does anybody look alive when facing Hbox?

not so good
he almost lost to Swedish

moky is looking really composed

YOO

What the fuck happened to plup this tourney

>playing hbox over and over does something to people

It's a double. You have to face hbox, drama queen faggot full of himself, and also you have to deal with his faggy character. You're facing a fucking asshole that consistently wins tournaments, sure with his own skill, but also with the gayest fucking character imaginable with a really shitty playstyle.

And if you lose, you will make him into an even bigger cunt than he already is. He will feel superior to you, looking down on you with pity in his eyes. "Poor peasant tried, but failed". And you fucking feel that this Jigglycunt player, while a good player, is sucking the fucking will to live out of your body. Pretty rad stuff.

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to add insult to injury moky looks like the guy on the WB network

Pretty irrelevant for tomorrow, the fox could be doing anything

GET FUCKED

I can’t be excited over the Moky Plup upset cause Plup probably could’ve gone Sheik and despite being “rusty” woulda likely done better.

AND THIS MAN SAID HE WAS GOING TO QUIT.

plup BTFO

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same

This man's face is iconic.

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>zain vs amsa
Have we ever seen this matchup?

>u-ultimate made me shit

LOL

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Whenever someone says ''Marth has some weird MUs against mid tiers'', in actuality this is the only one close to even.

Nope, but the mu is in Yoshi's favor, I think.

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post that .webm you know which one
doraki walljump into shinespike

Pathetic.

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based as fuck

>Plup making leffen tier tweets
What timeline are we living in

>Plup fell for the playing Ultimate meme

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Pikachu too if you consider him mid-tier.

>Too retarded to spell
>Too retarded to use Ublock Origin

Wizzy

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Not since Zain has been a top player. They played a set at a Xanadu quite a while back.

melee is going to get so much better over summer now that the ultimate hype is dead

yoshi using green eggs regardless off the skin is pretty gross.

I'm glad smash 4 fixed that

What do we think of aMSa?

>Blaming poor performance in Melee from grinding Ultimate
Leffen grinded Ultimate harder than any other Melee player, but that didn't stop him from beating Zain (although that set came down to the wire).

lol enjoy hbox dominating still

Pikachu is upper mid, but does not go even against Marth. At best it's 55-45.

That sounds like more free money for Hgod

He is cute and pure

I want them both to win. It's not fair.

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cute and redpilled

cool when he’s not eggcamping

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based nip with a high iq

>that kill

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ahh jenesis 2... now dat was a guut tarnamunt...

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still better to have a great tournament with lame puff grand finals than a game that is entirely boring, unwatchable garbage

Marss' movement and pressure might just be the best in Ultimate, the only other person in contention is Light

Adorable. Great nippon warrior. We love aMSa here.

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Even the commentators don't know that the famous Marth grabbing Yoshi gif is because Yoshi extended his hitbox and Yoshi's grab goes to the Z-Axis which makes it worse for range too.

Marss absolutely bodying fat snakemutt

Marss is pretty cringe and bluepilled, but the fact that he consistently beats snakes makes him pretty based and redpilled

Is Leffen at GOML? What's his size right now

holy shit what a god

>and Yoshi's grab goes to the Z-Axis which makes it worse for range too
Not his standing grab.

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Pretty large from beating Zain, but he has to fight Hbox first thing tomorrow.

Leffen was absolutely massive against Zain.

Heh, I can hear it

Will he run away from Chadbox again if he loses?

A M S A
M
S
A

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Maybe true but I have the feeling Axe has proven to be enough of a bracket terrorist to even the top Marths that it feels weird to put the Yoshi matchup harder than the Pikachu matchup.

Here's the .gif in question.

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Ahhhhh if aMSa did air instead of up air he could have won

Amsa's getting exposed as the fraud he is again.

>Marss btfo Snake
>viewership rose by literally 1000

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THE TAUNT

Isn't that everyone except Hbox?

Nah, it's Marth favoured still
But it's like sheik ics, Marths aren't used to playing a MU they don't win for free and need to mix up their playstyle so they think they lose it

nakat is an ultra chad

He was dropped by clg more than 18 months ago, he's had a new sponsor for a while now, yet his twitter name still has clg in it.

I just think Yoshi has better tools to deal with Marth than Pikachu. One of the most useful techniques to deal with Marth is CC and not challenge his massive aerial range, so it's good that Yoshi can effectively CC mid-air to kinda negate that aerial space dominance.
Pika definitely has an easier time edgeguarding and gimping Marth though.

>Marthritis: the set

This is a stupid thing to complain about
>you're telling me that the character whose most notable feature is his long range HAS A LONG GRAB RANGE? WHAT THE FUCK

Nah Yoshi's just super tanky

If he changes his @ he'll lose the twitter verification

Man aMSa just hasn't been at his 100% today imo

>2 6 minute games
I thought melee was fast

It makes sense mechanically, but not visually which is why people are upset.
Just like how crouch cancelling might not make sense visually, since you're clearly hitting your opponent cleanly, yet getting punished for it.

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If Yoshi didn't have such a big fucking shnoz this wouldn't happen

Why is zain such a turbo queer

>that pika tv

You're trying to defend something that's factually a fault/bug, retard. Marth's long range is meant to come from his standard and b attacks, not his freaking grab. If anything, Yoshi's the one that should have the long grab range, he uses his damn chameleon tongue for fucks sake.

It's not like he's grabbing with his sword
But I'm not really complaining I think it's funny

aMSa wasn't tossing eggs from the ledge hardly at all to push Zain away. He kept getting caught at the ledge

because your opponent is taking a defensive posture to endure your attacks

>picking up a sword makes you grab people like you were Lanky Kong.

It's not "factually" a bug, it's not unreasonable to believe that because Marth, unlike most characters, has no projectile so they bumped up his range overall

The problem is that a defensive marth just gonna outdamage yoshi, everything that marth has outranges yoshi's

You do know that melee code is held up b duct tape and the game almost didnt release because they almost didnt had time to finish it, they probably didnt test it, yoshis grab i mean

Then they should've made the visuals match, that's not an excuse. Try to explain Yoshi's grab range and why it doesn't match his animation, then. That's always been Yoshi's thing, to grab things that are far away with his tongue, so how come Melee neglected to replicate that properly? Also, if you're claiming they beefed up his grab range because he lacks projectiles, how come Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, and Kirby don't have that massive grab range, huh?

Melee got hard carried by the Gods storyline. Now, the era pretty much waned after Armada, PPMD retiring. M2K and Leffen on frequent hiatus. It's basically Hbox dominating. Mango jobbing.

Even if Mango was on top, it wouldn't be that immensely better.

>Clearly a fault/bug
No, it isn't. Jesus. Why do people who know next to nothing always open their mouths?
Marth's grab range isn't massive. It's perfectly normal. He just leans forward a lot when reaching out, making it appear a lot longer.
Also, Yoshi's massive fucking nose makes it much easier to grab and it's even dependent on his idle animation cycle. When he looks left/right(character's viewpoint) the grab whiffs.

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watching Ultimate makes me feel bad because there's so many upsets and close sets
it's like players can't even out-skill each other

melee gets carried by its gameplay
the brawl games don't have viable gameplay for esports spectatorship

Then explain Yoshi's shit grab range, Einstein.

>Marth's grab range isn't massive
yeah it really is. im not bitching but to say it isnt big is a lie

Thank you for being someone else with a fucking brain. You summed it up perfectly that the people who know nothing talk the loudest.

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I switched over and was jarred at how much slower and floaty it was. Pikachu vs greninja too

>The last melee match was marth vs Yoshi
Spacies are the only unique characters in melee

>Mr. R
>Mr. E
>Captain L

Yoshi's grab hitbox is really fucking short. I mean this time wise. It disappears some 5 frames before the tongue is fully extended.
It's probably a design choice. You can call it bad design if you want, but it's not a bug.

Sounds like Sm4sh. Ult has less jank, so it's not like they randomly pull a Rage cheeese mechanics out of thin air.

Yes it is, the problem being more that marth leans foward than the hitbox itself.

but aside from Myran, there was many important upsets.

sounds like sf5 where comebacks are so common that no one cares about them anymore.

How do you know they intended it to be that way while also explaining that the hitbox disappears 5 frames before the tongue is fully extended? Sounds to me like they didn't know what the fuck they were doing.

>Complain that Yoshi's tongue doesn't match his grab range
>Complain that Marth's leaning animation matches his grab range

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That's not what a bug is you fucking retard.

>people actually defended Ryu having a frame 1 invincible kill move while being heavy and getting a 1.5X damage and knockback multiplier when at high percents

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The Gods storyline is carried by melee gameplay. This tournament's top 32 was really good.

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N-no user, you don't understand! T-that's perfectly reasonable, it's the way they intended it to be! It works just fine, believe me!

Those are different. You can justify Captain Falcon's bullshit dashgrab in 4 by saying "HE'S FAST, OF COURSE HE SKIDS REALLY FAR"
but that doesn't make it any less shit design.

All i said is marths grab hitbox is very large which is true.

>Big D
>JW
>ZD

It honestly wasn't. Its the same song and dance every melee tournament plays. Except this time plup was the buster

>1.5X damage and knockback multiplier when at high percents
Rage is a max 15% knockback increase and doesn't increase damage at all
It was super dumb but cmon man

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What am I looking at that is so controversial?

No really, if the gods and leffen didn't enter tournaments then the game would be in a worse spot that know.

wtf this guy makes Richter look hype

the disappearing hitbox

Nobody defends roys design though?

>ultimate
>hype
...

Riddles is going off

>the same song and dance every melee tournament plays
So you're saying that the top 32 of every tournament is very exciting and entertaining to watch due to excellent gameplay?

the belmonts are a stern reminder that robin's special limits are dumb as fuck and entirely unnecessary

Sorry, shit memory, I somehow mixed up 15 and 1.5.
But yeah, still really fucking stupid. I'm glad Rage as a whole was toned down for Ultimate

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It is, it's fun to watch!

When you've been watching for 7 years it gets very boring. There is absolutely no variety and the results are predictable.

No they aren't, it's just how limiting they are is what's the problem. Buff Arcfire to not magically disappear, boost uses of Elwind because it's his jab AND recovery, bring back Arcthunder use, etc.

BASED RICHTER PLAYER

fuck riddles is hype

Nigga, Leffen and Zain just had one of the tightest and most exciting sets in this tournament. It wasn't even a matter of storylines or results. Just two guys showcasing good melee.

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based

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MULATTO VS ONIONS
WHO WILL WIN

>they're not unnecessary if you buff them!

stop it. It was a shit idea from the very beginning and should be taken out. It's like giving link, the old FE lords, etc. weapon durability. It's completely out of place

whatsup with meleeniggers and constantly going on about hype? you force it so hard its like you dont even actually believe it

that's not even the problem. my problem with melee is that most players just want to optimize the game, making it boring. it's understandable, they wanna win right, but I think melee and smash 64 are great because you have a lot of freedom to improvise in your combo, that's why I prefer players like mango, s2j and none. brawl,sm4sh and ultimate are boring because they're bland as fuck, the definition of souless

We're rooting for ESAM, right?

The Links show a similar pattern. Having their grab hitboxes disappear before it's fully extended.
Young Link's grab hitbox has fewer frames even than Yoshi's tongue, although hitbox is much larger.
Either way, I think it was an intentional design choice made to nerf Yoshi's shieldgrab. Since Yoshi doesn't suffer shieldstun in the same way and has access to parries.

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I can definitely see Riddles being a threat to players later on. I like how Riddles doesn't shy away from close combat.

Ultimate's meta is looking like shit right now. What can more it more interesting?

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He's getting scraped atm, he better have a plan

what about optimized players in Melee like Wizzy and Zain

That is every fighting game in existence, if there was money in melee then you would see the same, in fact the newest top player in melee is zain who is know for being defensive and campy.

What are the eligible stages in ultimate?

Im not saying that its wrnog, just that it dont makes sense gameplay wise

No it's not nonsensical, it represent a mechanic from the games, and micromanagement of resources had already been established with Olimar.
Of course if you buff it, the mechanic wouldn't be detrimental, and you even remove Robin's surprisingly strong item play if you remove durability

Roy sword hitbox ceases to exisst halfway the attack, dont ask me why

Right? Its like they're so insecure that people might find ultimate even the tiniest bit hype and they start screeching and flinging viewer numbers and "hype" at you.

rats vs women

>rooting for that ugly pasty balding goblin
Maybe you, not me. He's vomit enduing.

I mean it keeps changing every month, first Pichu was busted, then Wolf, then Olimar, now Snake. Plus we're getting at least 5 DLC characters, who have traditionally been tuned to be high to top tier.

it's not the meta; it's the game. The only interesting parts are the novelty of underused characters. The game is just lacks appeal for spectating

I dont sakurai even knew people would use yoshi parry, its too hard for sakurai casual mindset

I'm a falcon main and wizzy is just boring, chaingrab in general sucks imo
yeah, I know that ): zain's neutral is too defensive to be interesting. his punish game is great, those ledge cancels are nasty, so I'm ok with him because his combos are cool and kinda like 'his' combo

But Ultimate has quite a few characters that can improvise combos, like Wario, the Chus, Pac Man, Young Link, the Shotos, the spacies, etc.

esam was robbed and palu is a fatty

Ultimate is way too momentum based, the game doesn't allow for comebacks.

Personally i see ultimate and melee, like street fighter and marvel, i enjoy both, there are problems with both but not enough to dismiss them as good smash games.

This is bullshit, stop listening to Scarflard.
The amount of reverse 3-0 and 5-0's at Pound were a point of contention constantly brought up in the threads, and even by the commentators themselves

>momentum
this is the sure sign of a braindead toph speaking

no no no, youre not allowed to like both. pick one and spam fuck the thread with surface level shitposts about why its better

Don't listen to that fat fuck who doesn't even play the game competitively. He thinks his input is worth a shit just because he was good in the previous game, which was vastly different from Ultimate.

How do you make a comeback if you're a stock down and there's near no ways of getting gimps?

If you mean comebacks within a game and not a set, it's because the game lacks a strong punish game, or at least an optimized one, to allow for comebacks to happen with more frequency.

Explain why there are so many upsets in Ultimate then

I blame players like Armada and Leffen for demolishing the magic of Melee.

Within a game not a set. If you're down in a game it's extremely hard to make a comeback.

you outplay them. are you that unimaginative that gimps are all you do to get ahead?

>its too hard for sakurai casual mindset
I'm not a Sakurai apologist and disagree with his philosophy of ''Everyone must have the same amount of fun'', but I think you're underestimating him a bit here. He added in tons and tons of these small, seemingly irrelevant techs to reward dedicated players.
It's not a coincidence that you can jump out of shine. It's not a coincidence that the DI system is so nuanced. It's not a coincidence that Yoshi's shield has unique properties.
Melee is far from a perfectly designed game, but things like these were thought through. Hell, even shit like Luigi's dash attack missing a hitbox on the final frame was an intended design choice in Melee. You can make an argument that it was a mistake in SSB64, but it being the exact same in Melee, when so many other things were updated and fixed(Samus's uair had a missing hitbox in 64 that was added in Melee) you just have to assume that they were aware of it and decided to keep it that way.
It's not that Sakurai and whatever team he's on isn't capable of making a competitively sound, deep game. It's that they've chosen not to. Melee hit a good balance of chaotic casual fun and mechanical depth and I think that was the intention.

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Because new players keep coming up?

to be fair, ultimate is better than brawl and 4. but still not at the same level as 64 (crazy amount of hitstun) or melee (just fucking fast).
the chus for sure are a step in the right direction, peach/daisy can also create some silly stuff with float cancel. even bayo in 4 was fun for the combos (not for competition) but still, the game in general wasn't made for long string or is fast enough to encourage 'freestyling', the opponent can escape really fast

does Nairo like Ultimate? or does he prefer Brawl or Smash 4?

why even have a ledge if it looks like this? Just to permanerf mac? All it does is waste time waiting for the other guy to get back, otherwise

Gimps and strong punishes are what allow for comebacks. You can't make a comeback through only neutral exchanges which is mostly what Ultimate is.

Explain why Ultimate gameplay is such slow, boring trash then

How indeed?

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I mean, I can see that, but there have been plenty of in-game comebacks as well. There have at least been a lot of last-stock situations in this very tournament

Ultimate would actually be a better game if it didn't gave ledges. Recovery in general is too good.

yeah, swedes are one major reason for that

I stopped going to melee tournaments and now compete in ultimate weeklies instead.
But I stopped watching competitive ultimate a month ago, the game is fine to play but really not worth watching as an esport. I think people have been finally coming to terms with that.

>Luigi's dash attack missing a hitbox on the final frame
Meant to say ''pummel'' instead of ''frame'' here. Excuse me.

he really fucking hates bayo so there's no way he prefers smash 4 even if it has the version of zss he enjoys more

What's the deal with Yea Forums / stream monsters being upset with people playing top tiers in Ultimate? Its not like Melee players complain about seeing Fox and Marth

>you cant make a comeback through neutral
yes you can, win the neutral and you get the advantage. just outplay them, gimps arent some crutch you should rely on

Because all the players are trained to be lame as fuck since brawl meta knight its only been about winning for them. Smash at high level is probably the lamest competitive game, melee is only good because of characters like spacies.

The only remotely fun part of Ultimate spectating is seeing the novelty of strange characters being picked. The gameplay is just not fun to watch.

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Northeast USA
Faster Melee 5.9

melee players bitch about puff all the time and puff is top tier

seems to be less about the top tiers and more about the gameplay

Has Yea Forums finally realized that competitive Smash was always a joke?

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>not a coincidence you can jump out of Shine
>Luigi's dash attack
>Yoshi's shield
Of course it isn't, but that doesn't make them good design choices.
If they had been mindful of these kids of things, they would have thought about how strong (Fox) or weak (Luigi) they would make a character. I refuse to believe these were design choices made with the understanding and foresight of how they overall affect the character.
Also don't forget Melee's rushed development and spaghetti code. If Chrom in Ultimate could go several patches using the wrong victory theme, then Luigi could go with a missing hitbox

The issue is Ultimate is mostly neutral. Disadvantage states are nowhere near punishing enough, being off stage isn't much of a risk with recovery being so good. Gimps come from putting an opponent in a disadvantage state and punishing them while they're in it. Gimps aren't a crutch they're a punishment that comes from being outplayed. Ultimate gameplay relies mostly on the neutral, it's unreasonable for players to make comebacks because of that which makes it momentum based.

Meleeniggers will never accept that.

nah, even Ultimate is still more fun to watch than SFV

if you keep winning neutral youll make a comeback, its not a hard concept to understand user

All of this depends of the characters.

This is very fun

naked inklings

This, people really underestimate how shit the ledges were for character in Melee, while being much better for others. characters like DK and Bowser were practically a death sentence, whereas Puff and Fox and go offstage and enough options to come back with little contest

SHOYO FUCKING JAMES

>Plup is still in Ultimate
wat

everyone roasting dabuz's yeezys lmao

yeah, after he lost to void he ran through a gauntlet of literal whos

why are they showing the same game on both streams?

they're wrapping up the games for the day and the first stream finished

What the fuck was the main stream doing? Did they accidentally broadcast the live match that whole time?

>hes up against void again
welp

Plup played super well against void the first time, it’s just that pichu is unga bunga bullshit

>pichu is unga bunga bullshit
you realize this dude is playing megaman and greninja right?

>pichu
>unga
He practically has to be on the offensive at all times due to being the lightest and self damage. He practically can't make any mistakes

the numbers are actually very good, considering this was top 96, and isn't in the main stream.

top 32

esam a gay

Lol did Hbox really try to pound it with someone today and they refused to pound back?

rember that there is Battle arena melbourne for ultimate. this is the stream: twitch.tv/couchwarriorssmash

what happened to the upsets?
the last several majors were chaos, but the only real upset here was Myran, and he still made it to top 16

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Lmao. Mistake drowned in pools

Vapor over Larry is an upset

GGs, user. Happy I could your Puff at least once.

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players are adapting to the game mechanics, and MUs, remember this game is only 6 months old, brawl, smash 4(aside from zero) and project M were worse with their upsetsat the beginning..

ggs, see my fox on lan though

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You must have just missed the Pichu v Mega games and several others.