Why does Cloud love Aeris so much?

What part of his stiff as a board and shallow as a baking pan personality even suggests this? I never understood how anyone got that. He wears Zack's gear, but as far as personality goes, he's maybe like Zack if Zack got a lobotomy. Squall, for all his apathy and angst, at least has a more defined character than this walking bowl of blandness.

Because that's what you wrote in your fanfiction silly.

The first part is correct but the other things sound like some out-there theory

Gee I dunno why would an autist be in love with a prostitute?

>seething tifaspics
lmao

>I never understood how anyone got that.

He was sad when she died user! And he was even nice to her while she was alive! CLEARLY THIS MEANS HE LOVED HER ROMANTICALLY!

Cloud only had sex beneath the Highwind with one girl.

Hint: It wasn't Aeris.

He's a cocky dick, you didn't just go for the "normal" answers did you user? Also he's literally acting what he THINKS a SOLDIER 1st Class would act like, not what he thinks Zack was like. All he did was insert himself into the flashback as Zack and some memories that Zack told him while traveling back to Midgar as a vegetable.

manic pixie dream girl

I like how the people who make these games shit out half-baked stories and then the rabid fans artistically fill in all their plotholes for them after the fact.

This tbqh. Anyone that goes on a date with ANYONE but Tifa during the amusement park part is a cuck.

This

>Anyone that goes on a date with ANYONE but Tifa during the amusement park part is a cuck.
boi Tifa falls in love and fucks Cloud no matter what. You don't even know what that word means and you have little sexual prowess

kys

I haven't played FF7 since like 2000, but didn't Cloud canonically end up having sex with Tifa?

Who doesnt love slutty hookers?

Cloud hates Tifa

Yup. On rocks in an open plain while literally the entire party watched.

Not true. He didn’t even know about Aeris and Zack so the idea he’d repeat that is silly.

He’s acting like how he saw Zack, a bad ass. Zack in reality was carefree when not on the job, and even in the original game was more personable than Cloud was

>literally the entire party watched.
I don't think I remember that part, then again I was 11 at the time. Probably went over my head like the actual fucking.

Actually if you don't show enough interest in her then she won't fuck Cloud even after he tells her that he loves her.

>includes Zack’s interest in aeris

The thing be had no idea about?

Cloud has a personality in disc 1. Plucky, serious, kind of a show off

More than just sad. Anguished, despite seeing death beforehand. And clearly still wants closure at the end of the game with her.

I don’t understand how Tifafags can’t stand the idea Cloud liked two girls when their girl wins anyway.

Which by the way is not how Zack behaves even in the original game from the brief insight we get.

People saying Cloud only likes Aeris because he mimics Zack so perfectly he even gets details he had no jdea about right... are just dumb

You aerisfags are just mad that she doesn't get fucked by cloud. Instead she gets fucked by sephiroth long throbbing sword

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>artistically

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Always fretting about her more than anyone else, the game itself pushes him toward her romantically, thinks about her even when he gets his memory back in disc 1, regrets not getting closure with her at the end of the game, utterly anguished when she dies.

People act like Cloud was not sluggish towad Tifa’s advances in disc 1 as well, when the whole point was that he was concealing his real personality and trying to remain cool.

She’s having dream sex with Cloud since she has his brain on speed dial now

Correct it's the other way around. Aerith was interested in Cloud because he was like Zack. And she fell for him because of that, in fact Aerith never meets the real Cloud.

It's after they reboard the airship which was stationed overhead. The entire party went off to say their goodbyes or just fuck off before the final assault on crater. Tifa and Cloud do it thinking they're the only ones to remain. Reboard and realize the entire crew was there the whole time. Tifa gets 1000% embarrassed and Cloud literally just shrugs and pretty much fist bumps Barret. Admittedly, flew over my head at like 11 years old too, caught it on the second play through a few years later.

Because her manjaw promise a big dick

>this kills the Aerisfag

user, in the game everyone was upset about Aerith's death and Cloud himself was partially responsible for it.

This is closer. Him reminding her of Zack helped but like has been said he was not acting exactly like Zack so it’s not just that. And she expresses and interest in “meeting the real cloud” in Cosmo Canyon. I think she knows he needs to cut loose but probably not to the extent that gets revealed.

The spinoffs make it clear she still likes Cloud but can never be with him. She’s glad he moves on with Tifa.

Cloud started a rap duo with Tifa. The manlet and the hapa chink

In isolation I’d say you’re right, but when combined with everything it’s clear he had feelings for her.

He ends up with Tifa anyway though

All the spinoff games are retarded and I'll always consider anyone referencing crisis core or some other shit as if it was canon as the living retarded fanboys square knew they could sell any ff7-branded shit to

You anons really should emulate Crisis Core if you don't have a PSP. Very underrated in these parts.
Just get over the roulette and play to the end.

I felt kind of bad in retrospect (in this case its the future though) when Cloud starts inadvertently making moves on Aerith. But Zack seems pretty chill in the life stream. He's not banging on the planet's mantle crying at Cloud not to take everything away. Or maybe he is we just don't know.

He had feelings for her big veiny Dragon dick

What about if they reference both spinoffs AND the main game to make a point?

>Always fretting about her more than anyone else
post examples please

>the game itself pushes him toward her romantically
While I agree with this, especially since the date mechanics favor Aeris heavily, I don't see anything that clearly shows how much Cloud would want to be romantically involved with her, especially nothing coming close to trying to join SOLDIER just so he'd be worthy of Tifa's attention.

>thinks about her even when he gets his memory back in disc 1, regrets not getting closure with her at the end of the game, utterly anguished when she dies.
All of these things can apply to someone losing a dear friend. None of it proves he was strictly interested in a romantic relationship.

>People act like Cloud was not sluggish towad Tifa’s advances in disc 1 as well, when the whole point was that he was concealing his real personality and trying to remain cool.
>......a sealed up secret...... wish......
Tender memories...... no one can ever know......

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>gackt

As much as I love FF7, I'm not playing that garbage fire of a retcon story.

I don't care about that. Gackt was not the first dumpsterfire nor is he the last IRL singer that SE will use.

I remember the FFX-2 OP singer What can I do for You! and that Leona Lewis was it for FF13 and then we had the actual Skrillex in KH3.

Actually even if you combine it together once you add in the context his feelings don't appear romantic. It only appears so if you ignore the context.

He himself almost killed Aerith, right before Sephiroth came and finished the job. To make matters worse he wasn't himself the entire time he knew her.

Even worse is that Cloud's feelings towards Aerith after her death are identical to his feelings for Zack. In fact it's Zack's death that really fucked him up.

>Game pushing you towards Aeris
>You can actually call her a slum drunk
You could straight up shittalk her through out the game, while there was never such a instant with Tifa. On the contrary you can make some serious moves on her. But Tifa seems to be pretty low IQ and never seems to get the hint

or, hear me out...

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>Dream sex
Meanwhile tifa is getting the real thing

When shinra captures her, and she goes off on her own at the end. And telling her to not get involved when she enters the story.

There are good reasons he’d be upset about this without romantic involvement but even Barrett and Tifa comment on how invested he in fixing it.

The reason the dating sidequest matters is the devs want you to end uo with Aeris as your date on your first playthrough so you care more about her before she dies. It’s pretty clear they want that moment to hurt more like you lost someone you were closer to than the others (since Cloud is the pov character)

You’d be arguably correct on the third point but with everything else... it’s cleqr to me this was the intent. The way the story beats build up to your bonnie lass gettint stabber is unmistakable.

>tender memories no one can ever know

Is in disc 2, and deep in his mind. In disc 1 Tifa had to remind him of the well night to huilt trip him into staying. This was even a plot point in the memory subplot, that by reminding him she was supposedly just helping a homunculus lie to her.

A character the game rigged an entire dating subplot around... that’s what I mean by combining.

There’s also the fact that Cloud, upon meeting Aeris, is way more personable with her than his previous comrades. Teasing her, escorting her for free essentially (after trying to extort Barret for more cash), chatting with her on the playground.

Previously the closest he had come to this level of chummy was with Tifa... kind of. In that they reminisce (at her prompting) about childhood. Whereas his unguarded behavior with aeris was his own volition.

I say again, when you combine it all it’s clear he had feelings for her, more strongly than he exhibited feelings for Tifa in disc 1 (but that’s hardly her fault, he’d forgotten himself).

His response to Zack dying was to forget and take on a new personality. He caree but they are not equivalent

You can also ignore Tifa almost entirely in the game.

In scripted convos that follow Cloud likes to tease Aeris a lot. Classic flirty behavior he never exhibits with others to my knowledge

Also when I say the game “pushes you” I mean it rigs the game in her favor so first time players grow more attached to her through Cloud as the pov character. Not that you lack an option to do something else. Just going by the clear narrative intent

>When shinra captures her, and she goes off on her own at the end. And telling her to not get involved when she enters the story
So basically all parts where it's just Cloud and Aeris interacting with no one else to interject? And none of that can't be someone concerned about a friend rather than a potential romanticv partner.

>There are good reasons he’d be upset about this without romantic involvement but even Barrett and Tifa comment on how invested he in fixing it.
You should probably quote specifics if you want to actually argue a point.
yinza.com/Fandom/Script.html

>The reason the dating sidequest matters is the devs want you to end uo with Aeris as your date on your first playthrough so you care more about her before she dies. It’s pretty clear they want that moment to hurt more like you lost someone you were closer to than the others (since Cloud is the pov character)
Except like mentions you can treat her like shit in specific interaction choices. If the goal is to depict Aeris as an undeniable love interest, why leave room for any arguments? Why doesn't Cloud profess his interest as clearly as he does with Tifa in his mind/leaving Nibelheim to join SOLDIER?

>In disc 1 Tifa had to remind him of the well night to huilt trip him into staying. This was even a plot point in the memory subplot, that by reminding him she was supposedly just helping a homunculus lie to her.
Have you ever had a crush or unrequited love before?

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Actually, the dating aspect was rigged around both Tifa and Aerith. As narratively you have to go on the promised date with both Aerith, which is why she's default however there's an equally favored scene with Tifa in the Highwind scene. The default is that Cloud fucks Tifa which comes after Cloud's own subconscious tells Tifa that he's been in love with her this whole time.

You've also got the fact that Cloud was never himself around Aerith. Which is a point that Aerith herself points out, so we can't take his flirting seriously.

Hence why context is what makes the relationship not romantic.

>In scripted convos that follow Cloud likes to tease Aeris a lot. Classic flirty behavior he never exhibits with others to my knowledge
Cloud teases everyone. Including Jesse.

The shit you can say to her is not firlty tho, even after her date you can say you don't like to spent time with her, while the other answer isn't much better

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>In scripted convos that follow Cloud likes to tease Aeris a lot. Classic flirty behavior he never exhibits with others to my knowledge
You mean when he's still co-opting Zack's personality as his own? Also, you should post specific quotes so people can make a judgement on their own.
yinza.com/Fandom/Script.html

Better question: Why does Aeris never once notice that this Cloud fellow is wearing her bf's clothes and is using his one-of-a-kind sword?

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>all prts of just Cloud and Aeris interacting with no one to interject

After this you go globetrotting and party interaction is reduced down to the comments of who you happen to bring with you so this does matter. He’d also had alone time with Tifa before and after this point, I’m not pretending that doesn't count.

I am not doing more work for you on a phone. You’re raising the bar.

You can also be totally cold to tifa in that same daing quest and apparently it results in her not having sex with you at the end of disc 2. Somehow that does not invalidate their relationship.

And again, the reason the devs rig the game toward Aeris is to make first time players date her even if they screw around. If the writers didn’t care at all about building this relationship they would not do that.

I’m sorry in disc 1 Cloud is chummier with aeris than even Tifa, who he had feelings for but was buried under psychological coping

she dead nigga

>You can also ignore Tifa almost entirely in the game
Through out the game Clouds conscious pushes the player towards Tifa, which can be also interpreted as real Cloud being a Tifafag

>Aeris
Literally who?

the idea of liking someone making you a name-fag is funny to me
>I'm a real Bethfag, I think I'm gonna ask her to marry me

watch the trailer again, for a split second her face falls when she sees buster sword ;_;

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It was rigged far more for Aeris. Tifa was second bexause Yuffie and Barret are more fun choices rather than the principle participants in the love triangle

You guys always go back to the points in the story when Aeris is dead, which is weird because I’m not arguing Cloud doesn’t have feelings for Tifa.

Cloud in disc 1 is guarding himself, with aeris he is less guarded than with even Tifa in disc 1. I am quite aware there’s good reason to think True Cloud preferred Tifa. I am simply pointing out it’s clear he had feelings for Aeris as well when she is in the story.

And it’s not just him not being himself because he still wants closure after Seph dies. And that’s not even bringing up AC.

Cloud canon love interest

kek

Those were just soldier clothes(that were modified with bolts and shit)
The buster sword was also modified to look more industrial much like clouds outfit compared to normal soldier attire

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That would be Titsa

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Arent the clothes standard issue for soldiers? As far as the sword i'm not sure

Wrong again. Even in the original, Zach's outfit was different from all the other Shinra. And the sword wasn't a transformer. It was just big, hulking slab of metal that only Zach could use.

The design of buster sword changes through the c*mplilation but it's supposed to be the same sword

>All those people saying cloud banged tifa at the end of disc 2

reminder that no matter how you phrase it, saying they fucked is still speculation

You get the same options with Tifa. There are options to ignore Tifa as well which result in her not fucking you outside the highwind lol

This point is so monumentally retarded.
Cloud had no clue about Zack and Aeris, so the only way “copying Zack” is an explanation is if he copies Zack’s personality so well he ends up liking Aeris anyway.

And we know that’s not the case even from just the base game. Cid and Barret both, on the highwind deck, talk about how Cloud’s personality and mannerisms and so forth were totally incoherent for one person. If he were aping Zack’s personality rather than just pretending to be a badass like he thought Zack was they’d not think this.

And in CC we see Zack acts totally different from disc 1 Cloud anyway.

Reading the script does not mean you understand anything clearly

forgot pic

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I'll show you something speculative BITCH
*unzips dick*
*fades to black*

Only after disc 2 and he gets his memories back, and assuming you weren’t a complete pillock to Tifa up until then

His conscious does not do that in disc 1, it pushes him to talk to Tifa about his past. “Were was tifa in nibleheim?” and stuff like that.

I also think the entity you’re piloting around as a player is mora “you” than a voice you have no understanding of or control over if we want to talk game theory

They shared a moment. I believe spit was swapped but anything more than that is reaching, but not outside the realm of possibility.

Maybe Tifa is just overwhelmed by the idea of Cloud making moves on some slum prostitute and is confused as to why Cloud doesn't seem to know her as much as he should, and also because Cloud is acting like a weirdo for that arc which is foreign to her, thereby causing distance. I mean Tifa knows she's got a healthy body and the childhood friend card.

It was Angeal's family sword. It became his as a hand-me-down. This also explains why Aerith doesn't just accuse Cloud of robbing Zack, because he's not the original bearer either.

C'mon now, it's not 1997 anymore. The dev confirmed it long ago. But even if you don't count them in, the game itself is very clear on what happened

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>After this you go globetrotting and party interaction is reduced down to the comments of who you happen to bring with you so this does matter. He’d also had alone time with Tifa before and after this point, I’m not pretending that doesn't count.
So basically you're running off your interpretation of conversations and no actual specific lines of text.

>I am not doing more work for you on a phone. You’re raising the bar.
See above. Your stance here is that Cloud has clear romantic interests for Aeris so you're gonna have to quote/cite specifics to prove your point, not just blurt out interpretations/conjecture and hope it sticks.

>You can also be totally cold to tifa in that same daing quest and apparently it results in her not having sex with you at the end of disc 2. Somehow that does not invalidate their relationship.
Because being a dick to Tifa doesn't erase their childhood, or the fact that Cloud still stays with Tifa the night before the go to the Northern Crater.

>And again, the reason the devs rig the game toward Aeris is to make first time players date her even if they screw around. If the writers didn’t care at all about building this relationship they would not do that.
All that means is they wanted the character/death scene to have emotional impact. It doesn't prove that Cloud unquestionably loves Aeris romantically.

>I’m sorry in disc 1 Cloud is chummier with aeris than even Tifa, who he had feelings for but was buried under psychological coping
I already mentioned that Cloud is still using his idea of Zack's personality rather than his own and it's way easier to pass that off on someone who just met you recently than someone who has had a history of shared childhood memories and traumatic experiences with.

>It was Angeal's family sword.
That is a corny retcon that didn't come about until CC. There was no "Angeal" in the original story. Frankly, there was barely any Zack.

I’m also perfectly fine with the idea that the real Cloud would pick Tifa anyway. But the story works better if Cloud has feelings for a girl who is martyred, gets mind raped by the guy who did it, but with the help of his childhood crush regains himself and they pick up the pieces and then triumph.

Makes the low point lower, and the high point higher, and I think the intent is clear from the devs. Especially in the spinoffs, as dumb as the execution was

has everyone forgot about Jessie

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then there's this incel.

Conscience. Autocorrect

Again the date is rigged for Aerith because she's the only one who promises date in the actual story. Plus she's going to die. Not the sex with Tifa is also rigged because Cloud and Tifa confess after put Cloud's mind back together.

It doesn't matter if Cloud expresses feelings for Tifa in the first part of the game or not because Cloud's not himself anyway.

Cloud in disc one is just copying how he believes that a soldier first class should behave. So trying to analyze his behavior in disc one and attribute it to the real Cloud is pointless, because he's not himself.

>shipperfaggotry in FF7, the game where both MC's downfall and subsequent healing has only happened because of a single Nibelheim bimbo who became his lifelong partner

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It was same basic looking outfit with different colors(he was a higher rank than the thirds you fight, you never see other 1sts until compilation stuff not counting sephiroth)
I know its the same sword thats why I said modified

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You're overall right, but I'd include kissing, too. It's *possible* they fucked. Or kissed. But it's also possible they didn't.

you're supposed to care about Jessie because you're supposed to be sad when she dies

if you don't care about her you have mental problems

The devs confirmed it a long time ago user.

he does not, it was up to the player.

with that said, Cloud x Aerith have much more chemistry than Cloud x Tifa

Sorry I don't like flat girls

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Who else HYPE to play the remake on their current gen system?

Did you see them fucking? Kissing ? Did any character in the game talk about how they fucked? Or kissed ?
I mean, c'mon, they could be embarrassed just having been seen with tifa's head on cloud's shoulder.

She was such a nothing character though. There was that one moment in the train where she's showing cloud the terminal and she wipes his face once but that's hardly enough to establish a connection of any kind.

But Loveless was a thing in FF7. Its the signboard above Aerith in that one iconic CG cutscene.
CC just tells us that the original 3 Soldiers were like celebrities and had fans. When the 3 were phased out because of some "accidents" rather than erase history Shinra just let the legends fade out but you can find traces here and there even in the original game.

>hype to play fucking video games

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I literally described how the rest of disc 1 operates. That’s not interpretation. I also pointed out the same logic could be used to overule Tifa’s relationship.

I’m on a phone, every time you try using he script to make a point I’ve pointed out you’re wrong in some way

People grow after childhood. Being a dick to tifa, as far as the core game goes, does make her not fuck you and erase the future they have. A scene you’re all so invested in.

You’re putting words in my mouth with “Unquestionable love” when I said “had feelings”. You’re unbearably tedious.

You seem to think it’s a coincidence that they use a romantic subplot to make you care more aout Aeris to make her death implact more. That’s kind of my point, it’s not a coincidence

And you’re wrong about the Zack personality thing. Just objectively wrong.

Source needed

>This point is so monumentally retarded.
Cloud had no clue about Zack and Aeris, so the only way “copying Zack” is an explanation is if he copies Zack’s personality so well he ends up liking Aeris anyway.
That's not my point at all. Cloud clearly has no idea about the relationship between Zack and Aeris, you're conflating what someone else is saying with what I'm talking about, which is Cloud taking what he knows of Zack's personality and applying it to how he thinks a Soldier 1st Class should act, i.e. confident, in charge, etc

>retcon
That's not what that word means.

so it's mental problems then

>it’s only rigged so they could use the romantic subplot to make her death more impactful, wtf does that mean

Listen to yourself. My whole point is they rig it to build up the disc 1 relationship in preparation for her death. And the intent there is for Cloud to lose someone very dear to him (this was even Sith’s fortune lol)

Zack's gear is black and probably has his name written in the waiistband. It's HIS clothes. They don't have his sweet turtleneck.

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That's exactly what it means.

>remake comes out
>she's named Aerith
>cant change character names
How much more bitching will there be?

That's exactly what it means.

If they used a romantic subplot to build up Jessie I’d be saying Cloud probably had budding feelings for her. Depends on how it’s done

In Disc 1 they tease and flirt heavily. It’s cute. Disc 2 I’d say tifa x cloud finally becomes interesting and satisfying

>(in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency.
The original never explains the origins of the buster sword. You can't retcon something that didn't exist.

I don't know what you guys are arguing about but it's fairly obvious that Cloud was not pretending to be Zack. Zack's a genki high energy hyper confident guy. Cloud's persona is a moody asshole mercenary.

The aspect of Zack that Cloud was copying was the stuff that informed him about SOLDIER, because a lot of what he learned about SOLDIER was through Zack

If people haven't realized this yet they're completely fucking braindead.

The Lifestream.net

Because the colors of SOLDIER ranks have been retconed.
1st Class: Black
2nd Class: Purple
3rd Class: Blue
Was confirmed in Crisis Core.

The buster sword was on the damn cover of the game. It's also called a buster sword in the game.

The retcon that came about in CC gave it ridiculous backkstory.

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It’s the only thing that makes your point make sense. We know Cloud was not copying Zack very well, and we know he still thinks about aeris after returning to his true self.

It’s not true their relationship is an inauthentic shell produced by his coping mechanism

user, Cloud deciding that he's in love with Tifa isn't optional, unlike disc 1.

>The buster sword was on the damn cover of the game. It's also called a buster sword in the game.
But it doesn't fucking explain where it came from. I'm not even saying that CC's additions were good, just telling to use the proper terms when you shit on something.

Even though Tifa objectively wins, Tifafags like to argue that the chemistry Aeris and Cloud have is inauthentic.

Even though it massively improves the game and give Cloud more character development they hate the idea Cloud was possibly interested in someone else before Tifa wins anyway

He doesn't need to know anything directly, Jenova cells essentially act as a hive mind and that's a major theme in the plot with the whole reunion theory and shit. Cloud and Zack had cells implanted in them by Hojo after the reactor incident when Sephiroth went berserk, although Zack already had them before since he was in SOLDIER.

It is l, if you’re a dick to her she does not get amorous with you in disc 2.

Unless you’re referring to them being together in like AC, in that game he is still stuck on Aeris somewhat too so his unfulfilled feelings for her are not optional either

Slow?

Exactly as I said, games are an interactive media and Aerith dies in disc one. They have to make you give a shit.

>has everyone forgot about Jessie
Yes actually, in the original game literally no one remembers about Jessie, Biggs and Wedge after they die; only Barret remembers later in the game and it is in a optional side-quest.

>ret·con
>revise (an aspect of a fictional work) retrospectively, typically by introducing a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events.

That's exactly what's going on here. Thing is, it didn't need a back story. It was just a sword like all the other swords and was the weakest one in the game, frankly. It gets ditched for something better before long and you never worry about it again.

Then AC comes along, turns it into a transforming swiss army mess which leads to the creation of a bunch of shitty characters and events to give it a back story.

They literally tell you that he was copying Zack though.

That does not mean he’d act like Zack, it means the cells would try to influence them both and Cloud would be more susceptible because he’s weaker. Which is what we see and is confirmed in the game itself, not iust speculation

I don't know who "they" is but "they" are wrong and this should be obvious to anyone with a brain

That's because its not enough just denying Aeris fags of their name by calling her Aerith. No that is not nearly enough. We have to drill into them the fact that Cloud didn't know what the fuck he was even feeling when she was flirting with him.

>previously described events.
>previously
>described
>events
Tell me which part of VII describes how Zack got the buster sword.

>Then AC comes along, turns it into a transforming swiss army mess
They're not even the same sword for fuck's sake.

And they use the romance subplot to do it, and use Cait Sith (who you meet is funnily enough fairly present during that subplot) to hammer it home before pulling the rug out from under you. It’s clear they wanted to build up Aeris x Cloud

Tifa is literally "CHILDHOOD FRIEND" no some random fuck Cloud met after falling does not have more chemistry than someone he literally grew up with

>Then AC comes along, turns it into a transforming swiss army mess which leads to the creation of a bunch of shitty characters and events to give it a back story.
The Buster Sword didn't turn into a transforming sword. It was used as a grave marker where Zack died, the transforming sword was a brand new thing Cloud had made.

>Tell me which part of VII describes how Zack got the buster sword.
>They're not even the same sword for fuck's sake.
ok we're done here.

No it isn't, no matter how you play the game, Cloud's subconscious will tell Tifa that he loves her. It's not an optional scene even if you somehow don't have the affection points.

Both high and low affections have Cloud and Tifa confessing their love.

>That’s not interpretation
It is when you're claiming that Cloud has undeniable romantic interest in Aeris.

>I also pointed out the same logic could be used to overule Tifa’s relationship.
You're basically arguing that Cloud's childhood never happened or that when in Cloud's subconscious, Tifa mentions that she looked in newspapers for news of Cloud and his avatar tells her to let Cloud know about it because it would make him happy.

>I’m on a phone
great way to avoid having to defect burden of proof

>every time you try using he script to make a point I’ve pointed out you’re wrong in some way
And this is why you can't rely on interpretations to prove a point, you have yet to provide any specific evidence of Cloud showing undeniable romantic interest in Aeris, just your interpretation of lines of dialogue you've remembered.

>You’re putting words in my mouth with “Unquestionable love” when I said “had feelings”. You’re unbearably tedious.
So clarify your point in detail then.

>You seem to think it’s a coincidence that they use a romantic subplot to make you care more aout Aeris to make her death implact more. That’s kind of my point, it’s not a coincidence
Once again, the player is given choices to outright treat Aeris terribly, if she's is the undeniable love interest that Cloud is unquestionably in love with, why give the player those options? Why is there nothing that shows undeniable romantic interest in Aeris the way he shows towards Tifa by joining SOLDIER?

>And you’re wrong about the Zack personality thing. Just objectively wrong.
I like how I'm wrong about "the Zack personality thing" when you are the one ascribing other peoples' statements to mine. Yet another problem with your interpretations.

Good thing he still has unresolved feelings after getting his mind back...

>making the story worse to own the aerisfags

The only reason tifa is even in the game is they realized they were going to kill off the girl, trufax. Nomura even cracks jokes about it

>Then AC comes along, turns it into a transforming swiss army mess which leads to the creation of a bunch of shitty characters and events to give it a back story.
You couldn't even follow something as simple as AC's story? Cloud is not carrying the Buster Sword then, it's a new one called Fusion Sword, you see the Buster Sword left in Zack's memorial grave for fuck's sake.

He wasn't copying Zack, he was trying to live out the rest of Zack's life. Remember, Cloud was fucking mind broken and came too when Zack died and told him that he was "his living legacy".

No I'm right or did you not play past disc one.

Are you pretending to be retarded? The sword in AC is a completely different from the Buster sword, and I don't even know why you brought up the piece of garbage that is AC since it didn't even introduce Angeal. Get some reading comprehension and then answer my question.

They do though. If you do not go out of your way to date Tifa there’s almost no tifa x cloud in disc 1. And even if you do date her he’s an oblivious plank of wood

you fucking retard the "transforming swiss army mess"
is a different sword(s) than the buster sword
You even fucking see the buster sword in the opening of the movie imbeded on the cliff overlooking midgar
The fusion sword is what cloud uses in AC
They are not the same sword

Because they knew that they were going to kill her off. And they also said that Cait Sith's predictions are always wrong.

Retcon means "retroactive continuity." The term applies to anything that adjusts previously published material. There are three different forms of retconning: addition, subtraction and alteration.

Additive content does not necessarily contradict the source material, but does add to it information that was not there before. Typically this involves filling in missing background information or clarifying plot points. Giving the buster sword a background story is textbook additive retconning.

Also, despite the negative connotations, retconning is not inherently bad. There is nothing wrong with retconning things well.

If that's how badly you want to stick it to Tifa fags, what about Yuffie's existence?

Pretty sure that does not happen whatsoever, and again... since you’re slow...

I am not arguing Cloud does not love Tifa or whatever. I am arguing be clearly had feelings for Aeris. It’s possible for both to exist at the same time...

Clear enough?

So, basically you choose to ignore what you're quoting
>a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation
There was no particular interpretation. The sword belonging to someone before zack is a new information we didn't have.

For example, nothing is said about what Cloud's mother's job is. If "FF7 - dirge of the crisis of getting fanboys to shell out cash yet again" came out and said that Mrs Strife spent Cloud's toddler years sucking dick in secret in mount Nibel's caves for two gils a pop to support her child as a single mom, this would still be called a retcon

I don't think he was trying to live Zack's life. He was all fucked up. What he had in his mind was Zack's speech about going to Midgar and being swords for hire. That type of person was the person Cloud was trying to be.
I really do think this is the dumbest, most surface level opinion. They don't act anything alike, how could Cloud be "pretending to be Zack"?

Do yourself a favor. Spare everyone your ignorance.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity

>It’s the only thing that makes your point make sense
Just think, if someone knew how to read they wouldn't have to argue a point I didn't disagree with.

>we know he still thinks about aeris after returning to his true self.
Once again, you don't have to have romantic feelings for someone to care about them.

>There are three different forms of retconning: addition, subtraction and alteration.
Good job pulling that definition out of your ass.

>The sword belonging to someone before zack is a new information we didn't have.
Exactly, so it's not a retcon.

Can l have an exact source, and not some vague shit? And it better not be the early concept of the devs saying they wanted to make it unambiguous and, eventually, they scratched it and made it ambiguous. Because, guess what? They scratched it and made it ambiguous.

>Wikipedia

But how do you retcon something that had nothing written about it?
The Buster Sword is just the starting weapon. The worst sword in the game.

He does lol. And nothing I said about disc 1 was wrong, you just pulled out this ridiculous excuse that Aeris and Cloud’s behavior toward each other did not count because they were alone. Which is incredibly dumb and clearly just you getting caught flat footed

I am not arguing any such thing, you just think it’s impossible for him to have feelings for someone else too. The most I say is his childhood seemed to be poorly recollected in disc 1 by him.

I’ve done plenty for you burden of proof wise. I told you the scenes even.

You can’t even repeat my position so do not act like you’re some impartial fact checker. You routinely make boneheaded pronouncements

The rest of this is just missing the point. You’re interpreting the idea that he has feelings for her as me saying “it’s her and only her” and forgetting that you can blow it with tifa too

Cloud is pretending to be a SOLDIER 1st Class, Zack is the one he knows the best because they were friendly.

They do not say his predictions are always wrong. And the two people reference are clearly meant to be significant since one forshadows Aeris’ death and the other is accompanied by romantic music.

Again, no coincidences in fiction

And what he knew about SOLDIER came through Zack. That does not mean he was "acting like Zack"... considering he self-evidently acted nothing like Zack

I give up, l don't argue with retards

youtube.com/watch?v=Bwd394t2qb4

The Turks are the closest thing to Vegeta other than Vegeta himself. Complete jobbers, but somehow still cool.

>Cloud is pretending to be a SOLDIER 1st Class
He is pretending to be SOLDIER 1st Class that defected and wanted to get a job in Midgar, what Zack wanted to do when they broke out, Cloud still amnesiac holds disgust for Shinra, if he was fully commited to his SOLDIER fantasies he would have run back to Shinra as soon as Tifa wakened him up after she found him.

And I'm pretty sure that you're wrong. But since you're slow, I'm arguing that there is no indication of Cloud having feelings for Aerith. Cloud flirting around isn't an indication of anything because he's not himself.

The date with Aerith is there to narratively fulfill Aerith's promise of a date as well as raise her death flag and introduce the fact that the Cloud in disc one isn't the real Cloud.

While it is possible for both to exist at the same time you have the burden of proving your point.

You mean the optional character with barely any development or bearing on the main story? Clearly an after thought

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerith_Gainsborough

Concept and Creation literally has the decs saying that Aeris’ death is meant to be the loss of someone the hero loves

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tifa_Lockhart

The first part of Creation and Development explains Tifa was added after the decision to kill Aeris

No, I'm generally recommending the site because they translated everything from the Ultimanias to the Anniversary guidebooks to the general interviews.

>You get the same options with Tifa
Not at all, you can be out right cruel to Aeris. While that's not the case for Tifa. quite the contrary you can literally say to Aeris that Tifa is your girlfriend.

Based and yuripilled

Kindly explain how saying Cloud’s relationship with Aeris is due to zack is not arguing that?

Devs literally saying the death of Aeris is about losing a romantic loved one

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerith_Gainsborough

youtube.com/watch?v=z2NsYWIHrRo

Actually they do, you're warned about it.

He’s literally not acting like Zack. We have CC confirming it and Cid talking about how Cloud was “weird” and his personality made no sense and was contradictory

did you guys ever read that interview with Uematsu where he basically says Aeris's Theme wasn't meant to sound sad

I think that's kinda fascinating. It's like the events of the game kinda warp our perception of it

user, bit of common sense here but, Zack is the only first class soldier who defected from Shinra that Cloud knew. So Cloud only had Zack as a reference.

>it pushes him to talk to Tifa about his past. “Were was tifa in nibleheim?”
If you consider what real Cloud later tells her in the lifestream it does seem that he tries to be closer to her

Tbh, here, the point that Cloud wasn't exactly himself while Aerith was alive is a valid point.
As l understood it, Cloud seemed obsessed by Aerith more after her death than before, and more out of guilt than out of love.

That still doesn't mean that Cloud and Tifa fucked, tho

Wasn't Aerith just killed off because Sakaguchi lost his mom by then and wanted everyone to feel his loss? Don't be so disrespectful and use a character's death to invalidate another character who was meant to sooth the observer into the transition/ mourning phase. You're making me feel bad for Aerith user.

And I don't quite get your point Amano had artwork of Tifa and this was before Nomura was assigned to be the character designer for FF7. You can unlock Amano's Tifa in Dissidia; a game with no sequels whatsoever.

When? He comically gets some totally offbase predictions that make no sense whatsoever to build up the prediction that forshadows her death (which is true)

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerith_Gainsborough

Concept and Creation to confirm that he was referring to her death as “losing the most important thing” or however he phrases it

>autisim: the post.

>The Sephiroth you face during the events of the game is actually Zack having been completely consumed by the Jenova cells inside him.

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>shipperfaggotry in FF7, the game where both MC's downfall and subsequent healing has only happened because of a single Nibelheim bimbo who became his lifelong partner
greatest_lovestory_ever_told.png

>Good job pulling that definition out of your ass.
I am not here to argue with you. I am not one of those other people. This is simply the literary definition of the word. The one you copy-pasted from your two seconds spent googling even agrees with it in less detail.

I know being confronted with facts that counter misconceptions you may have is hard, user. Cognitive dissonance is a challenging thing to overcome. I believe in you.

>He does lol
Yet there's nothing posted to prove it outside of interpretations of dialogue, even as far as claims that Cloud being concerned about someone he's friendly with in Aeris undeniably proves he's romantically interested in her. This is delusion of the highest order. Point out an interaction that shows the level of romantic interest that rivals Cloud's proclamation of joining SOLDIER to impress Tifa or be dismissed.

>you just think it’s impossible for him to have feelings for someone else too
Not at all. I am, however, asking for proof that is on an un-deniability level as Cloud joining SOLDIER to impress Tifa.

>I’ve done plenty for you burden of proof wise. I told you the scenes even.
You've done nothing of the sort. You made claims that certain lines of dialogue prove something but you never even quoted them.

>You can’t even repeat my position so do not act like you’re some impartial fact checker. You routinely make boneheaded pronouncements
So basically you're too afraid to clearly state your stance because you already know it's been proven wrong. Thanks for letting everyone know.

>You’re interpreting the idea that he has feelings for her as me saying “it’s her and only her” and forgetting that you can blow it with tifa too
lol that's you, actually.

Imo It seems clear it was real cloud trying to get delusional cloud to confront the truth early

I gave indications, you decided they is not count for arbitrary reasons and vainly try to copy my mockery

The devs say it in “concept and creation” since this is the remedial class

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerith_Gainsborough

jenova cells son

Show me any ingame stuff that make you 100% sure they fucked

Not doing rhat whatsoever you moron. Not invalidating Tifa’s role at all. In fact I probanly care about tifa as a character more than most of her fans who just like her tits

The Amano artwork was likely not pursued further until they wanted a new female character and they used it as a base. It happens a lot

This entire thread is full of people in denial, doesn't matter best girl won

Hime > Rukia
Hinata > Pink shit

TIFA >>>>> Aeris case closed the creators all decided, if not Tifa would've been the one Sephiroth shanked instead

THE WINNER TIFA

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user, concept doesn't always equal final product. Especially in this case where game was changed multiple times.

Rukia is way better than Orihime but Orihime was the obvious endgame for Ichigo because the only personality trait she had was her love for Ichigo

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And the devs words themselves

It’s not like my interpretations were weird whatsoever. They were basic and straightforward. Since I was only arguing he had feelings for her and you could not stop sperging about how I was saying “Aeris is his one and only” I think its your interpretations that need work.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerith_Gainsborough

Tifa fucks blonde men

Yeah right Aeri"s" fag.

Tifa was only added to the character roster after they decided Aeris would get shanked so that makes no sense

user, I’ve given supporting evidence out the ass. So much so you guys have had to try invalidating it with logic that applies to Tifa just as much

And how does it go against what I said user?

But word of advice don't use wikipedia.

Yeah ?

user all you've done is quoted wikipedia and I shouldn't have to say why you're not being taken seriously for it.

If that's true (it's not since you have no citation) it still means if Aeris was truly the one they wanted Cloud to end up with they could've instead then swapped the two characters places . They didn't and Aeris died meaning the story was meant for Cloud to end up with Tifa

>And the devs words themselves
So quote/link it then

>I was only arguing he had feelings for her
EVERYONE in the party had feelings for her. Once again, thanks for letting everyone know you're afraid of having to prove a point by backpedaling to the most innocuous statement ever.

>two scenes
>both end with Tifa having her head on Clouds shoulder while sleeping
>but in one scene she will say "did you watch...?" while breaking down in front of everybody
>in the other she says did you listen and scratches her leg
>devs latter called the "words aren't the only way to show someone how you feel" line risque
You are a dumb nigga

aerith was designed to die. Tifa was designed to be Clouds waifu.

Reminder we will have to see those cringe Jenova's Witnesses again when they are officially retconned into the FF7 remake.

That is all.

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>Rukia
She was a cutie, but after the spic arc I knew she wouldn't win

This is still a reason why "they fucked" is plausible, but not stated as having happened. She could as easily have been ashamed because she's afraid people might *think* they fucked when they didn't.

“Do not use cited words of the developers, I can’t argue against that”

Nope.

Posted it earlier. Creation subsection

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tifa_Lockhart

And again, I never argued Cloud did not love Tifa or whatever. Literally no tifafag here gets this, literally just said he did have feelings for Aeris and you guys can’t respond to that honestly

see

I actually liked that they werent identical to Sephy

I’ve linked it several times and told you where to look

This whole debate is just progressive attempts to stonewall

Yes. And the game is better, and Cloud kore developed if it is more than just “a lost friend”

they aren't going to appear they are post FF7 maybe if they do FF7R-2

2004 was a awful time

Childhood is loving Aeris.
Adulthood is loving Tifa.

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>Japanese: エアリス・ゲインズブール Hepburn: Earisu Geinzubūru), transliterated as Aeris Gainsborough

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>This kills the lisping faggot

One of them was actually supposed to be. Even despite not actually having a drop of him or even jenova in him.

There's being accused of something and getting caught red-handed. Having a mini breakdown isn't something someone who knows they didn't do something does.

My back actually hurts looking at this picture MY BACK !

The dude worded "retcon" for a reason, if Nomura really goes batshit he could make those Three Stooges be on their quest to mommy Jenova while Sephiroth is still at large.

>Mr dolphin on the left
You just know

>transliterated as Aeris Gainsborough
I will call him Sefiros from now on, that's how it is transliterated after all.

I swear, you guys are the most unsubtle anons ever. Shouting "they fucked" is not going to make it as if it was certain it happened. Yes, it's plausible. No, it's not certain.

Those disgusting bikes had no reason to be as maneuverable and stable as they were.

>Ear-is.
Oh no no no no.

these 3 faggots need to be forgotten as soon as possible

Because she gave him her "flower".

aren't they literally just clones of Sephiroth?

Sephiroth is a real word. Aeris is not.

You are very clearly on the spectrum, user.

No you didn't, you linked linked Aeris' wiki page without any context. If you want to prove a point you SHOW it, not tell your opposition to go find it.

>This whole debate is just progressive attempts to stonewall
Maybe it wouldn't be if you actively backed up your claims with pointed evidence rather than making those claims and telling other people to prove it.

It's heavily implied. And later confirmed by the devs

Your theory is ridiculous and obviously wrong, but it actually could have been cool if the story went like that.

>Gattsu

>the devs use suggestions of romance to build attachment to aeris before killing her

“Proves nothing, just an interpretation”

>devs use embarrassment, staging, and some innuendo the imply Tifa and Cloud had sex

“THEY 100% FUCKED!”

For the record, I think they fucked too

It's hard to deny when happens and the devs outright state that they wanted the scene to be more direct and risque

I thought the Zack thing too but..
How did Cloud knew Zack loved Aeris? Zack, Cloud and Aeris never shared a scene together.

One thing is pretend to be your hero, other thing is know intimate secrets about him, like why he doesn't recognize Zack parents in FF VII?

Reminder that Tifa is a pure christian and what Cloud deserved.

It’s a mobile link, it’s harder to link to a specific section. It’s early on in the section I named.

And besides, weren’t you the guy expecting me to cite the script? You’re fine demanding I do a lot of work if so

You never answered these points tho

Well, here's one for you.
Tifa loves Cloud, that much is certain.
She spends the night with him. Not fucking. Because Cloud doesn't want to.
Now, everyone has seen her being friendzoned. Even though it was probably their last night alive, Cloud still wouldn't give her his buster sword, cause he was hung up on Aerith.
That's what she is ashamed.
Now, tell me this scenario is implausible.

Everything in the story is explained with Jenova cells

how fucked up looking will the various jenova bosses be?

It's basically a resident evil boss

Yeah, and theu scratched it and made it ambiguous

>Reminder that Tifa is a pure christian
She owns a bar in the shitty part of Midgar, and was a totally ok with going undercover as a consort at Don Corneo's quarters. She is good girl, but not pure.

>this level of cope

Not the guy you're arguing with but Sephiroth is actually mispronounced. Pretty much everyone says it like Sefirof even though the actual word is Sefirot.

I would actually like to play AC as post-game content. It could be it's own episode

You do fight 1st class SOLDIERs during the attack on Midgar at the end of the game. They're just color swaps of the 3rd class ones.

>Tifa crumples to her knees, clutching her head after the group infers they know what happened the night before
>devs on record as saying the scene was planned to be more blatant about what happened

vs

CLOUD WAS IN LOVE WITH AERIS! HE WAS SAD WHEN SHE DIED!

no she is pure she is just salt of the land and down to earth.
Her bar is literally called 7th heaven.

Thanks, Shmuley.

You get the scene with Tifa having a breakdown in front of everyone when she has high affection points for you. The high wind scene is also much longer than the low affection version. Cloud also says shit like pic related. So the idea of him rejecting her doesn't make much sense

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>Her bar is literally called 7th heaven.
Unfortunately that's the name of quite a lot strip clubs.

I don't even know what I'm looking for, you just slapped the link at the end of your post like I'm supposed to know what line of text is supposed to be pertinent to your point.

Cloud wasn't in love with Aeris, but had a degree of affection for her and was obviously flirty with her in parts.
Cloud ALSO fucked Tifa and obviously has always liked her.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

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Hormones.

And a TV show.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=HjwCysIoQxo
Tifa is so pure and faithful i'm literally crying.

>the amount of men who cummed into and on your waifu hits probably double digits

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creation (second section iirc), literally the first thing they discuss.

I hate the cowboy outfit, if not the classic then even the AC clothes would've been better.

I, the aerisfag, have been saying basically this. And even showed the devs had a similar thing in mind when planning her death

The reaction has been to accuse me of believing Aeris was “Cloud’s one and only”

It's still like saying Mukki and his pals fucked Cloud in the ass at the honeybee inn

People like to argue

>people that have only played the hack job English translation actually think their opinion matters

Devs also say the point of Aeris’ death was the loss of a loved one (romantic love from context). That’s what’s in the Aeris wiki article under the Concept and Creation section

And there was other instances of evidence given. You’re just thick

Because he thinks he's zack and aerITH is a flower girl slang for prostitute

And the actor who played the dad is a creep apparently. Now I think Tifa’s a ho, damn

You can love multiple people you know?
just for the love of god just only choose to have a relationship with 1 person, poly fuckers are mentally ill.

>BRUH JUST READ THE "CREATION" SECTION, THAT'LL PROVE MY POINT
which is what exactly?

Are you trying to say they didn't?

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He doesn’t think he is zack, and even if he did be bad no clue anout Zack and aeris

Why were you adamant I give you attention if you can’t follow along?

This is pathetic

it's her teenage clothes

You are talking about some joke scene with big hairy fags. The highwind moment is obviously pretty serious and heavy. Tifa and Cloud talk about their entire journey and how close they grew over everything. It's end with Cloud saying he is bad with words while Tifa tells him just use your dick bro

so quote the line specifically so I can verify it

If you believe in god as strongly as Tifa you will be blessed just like she is.

>BRUH I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU WHAT THE POINT OF ME POSTING A LINK IS, I'M JUST RIGHT
lmao

I know that, I hate it.

why its shows off her spunky side? Samething Selphie wore.

Now you're being just cheeky

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>creation (second section iirc), literally the first thing they discuss.

Aerith was designed by Tetsuya Nomura, with influence from director and scenario writer Yoshinori Kitase and Hironobu Sakaguchi, whilst Yoshitaka Amano created conceptual artwork which too helped to influence her design. She has green eyes and long brown hair tied in a braid with a pink ribbon. She wears a long pink dress, a bolero jacket, and brown hiking boots. The long dress was designed to appear ladylike and as a contrast to Tifa Lockhart's miniskirt.[21][22] During development, Aerith was supposed to be Sephiroth's sister as both designs resembled each other,[23] but they were made former lovers with Aerith remembering Sephiroth when meeting Cloud as both are ex-SOLDIERS. Late during development, Aerith's first love was changed to Zack Fair.[24]

For the record, l interpret it as them fucking, too. But it's still an interpretation

It's too cartoony, looks like she was cosplaying, the Nibelheim people looked like they dressed like normal country folk but Tifa suddenly comes up wearing something you would see at halloween.

it's just typical rural girl clothes you sheltered fag

Get the fuck out here city boy, I know damn well how country folk dress up.

Wow she got Masamune'd in the original alt script; in a totally different way.

Based God right here.

Nigga you don’t even now what was in contention.

As soon as you link to the devs saying they definitely had sex. I mean I’ve linked it half a dozen times and you guys just find an excuse while never doing what you expect of me

no you don't you lying zoomer. The fact you think cowboy gear is a halloween costume says you are a city slicker.

I was talking anout the Tifa article in the post you were replying to... this is why I mocked you guys for not knowing what was being argued.

You’ve made idiocy an artform.

The aeris thing is more like the second and third paragraphs

if you think about it aerith is sephiroth.
Sephiroth kills the original natural female version of himself.
He is the unatural clone ancient.
They had a same thing in FF8 Riona and Ultamecia are the same thing.

That thing is a fucking halloween costume, no one dresses like that in Nibelheim itself.

The real question is, why isn't he tapping that hot Nanaki hole? I mean, remember that ferris wheel ride? Practically begging for it.

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>All this talk of affection points and no one notes that Aeris has the highest default value

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how many people in the town are Tifa?

Nigga YOU don't even know what you were contending, lmao. Just look at what got posted in , what's pertinent about any of that?

>implying

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Oh actually I was wrong, more like fourth and fifth paragraph

“In early planning stages of Final Fantasy VII, Aerith was to be one of only three protagonists; herself, Cloud and Barret. During a phone call to Kitase, it was suggested that at some point in the game, one of the main characters should die, and after much discussion as to whether it should be Barret or Aerith, the producers chose Aerith. Nomura stated in a 2005 Electronic Gaming Monthly interview: "Cloud's the main character, so you can't really kill him. And Barrett... [sic] well, that's maybe too obvious."[30] While designing Final Fantasy VII, Nomura was frustrated with the "perennial cliché where the protagonist loves someone very much and so has to sacrifice himself and die in a dramatic fashion to express that love." He found this trope appeared in both films and video games from North America and Japan, and asked "Is it right to set such an example to people?"[31] Kitase concluded: "In the real world things are very different. You just need to look around you. Nobody wants to die that way. People die of disease and accident. Death comes suddenly and there is no notion of good or bad. It leaves, not a dramatic feeling but great emptiness. When you lose someone you loved very much you feel this big empty space and think, 'If I had known this was coming I would have done things differently.' These are the feelings I wanted to arouse in the players with Aerith's death relatively early in the game. Feelings of reality and not Hollywood."[31]

According to Nomura, "death should be something sudden and unexpected, and Aerith's death seemed more natural and realistic." He said: "When I reflect on Final Fantasy VII, the fact that fans were so offended by her sudden death probably means that we were successful with her character. If fans had simply accepted her death, that would have meant she wasn't an effective character."[30]”

Just gonna paste the fourth to save myself some trouble.

You don't know shit about the countryside, what Tifa was wearing didn't make sense with her life at Nibelheim, her family wasn't shown having pastures to even justify dressing like that to walk days on end under the sun.

Because you guys got mixed up. I decided to save you the hassle and just post it myself.

You should realize that if it really was “not pertinent” that you might have done something wrong

Yw

lol so you responded to me talking about Aeris when you were talking about Tifa?

>this is why I mocked you guys for not knowing what was being argued
>You’ve made idiocy an artform
good lord the irony

No one else but her, she was the only one cosplaying after all.

Someone was asking how I knew Tifa was a later addition.

i've seen you zoomer city fags post this shit before about other cowboy characters
Yes you stupid faggot people actually still wear this stuff.
>her family wasn't shown having pastures to even justify dressing like that to walk days on end under the sun.
She can wear whatever she likes you low iq fuck lol. You don't see the extent of the land around the town anyway.

>being so dense to not get the point.

if I was a retarded shipper/Tifafag I'd say that the Aeris date is the most narratively perfect of the four options so it'd be best to choose her

So you're saying that Nomura SPECIFICALLY TRYING TO AVOID the "perennial cliché where the protagonist loves someone very much and so has to sacrifice himself and die in a dramatic fashion to express that love" is him saying Cloud is in love with Aeris? I really hope not, lol

My favorite doujin is the one where Tifa gets mindbroken and then bred by Nanaki.

Cait Sith uses the lowest of low blows on Barret, though. Pulling audio of Marlene as a threat, bastard.

I thought Tifa was the taller one.
Is she piggybacking?

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Yeah and you seemingly quoted me in the same post and assumed I was talking about Tifa. Here's a protip: When you're debating two different points don't reply to them in the same post because it's easy for YOU to lose track of who is talking about what.

I like the one where Aerith works in the Honeybee inn so she could give cash to her mom.

>tifaspics
Holy shit thats funny

Did it work?

Tifacucks are so annoying

Reminder Cloud was in his mid 20s when he went on that date with Yuffie who was 15.

How does that play out with Yuffie? She doesn't even know Marlene.

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Oh my god. You’re so dense.They’re discussing why it had to be aeris, I will cut out the middle part you’re taking out of context to show you. The last part spells it out

This is why I didnt bother earlier, I knew you were going to find a way to not understand or read

“In early planning stages of Final Fantasy VII, Aerith was to be one of only three protagonists; herself, Cloud and Barret. During a phone call to Kitase, it was suggested that at some point in the game, one of the main characters should die, and after much discussion as to whether it should be Barret or Aerith, the producers chose Aerith... Kitase concluded: "In the real world things are very different. You just need to look around you. Nobody wants to die that way. People die of disease and accident. Death comes suddenly and there is no notion of good or bad. It leaves, not a dramatic feeling but great emptiness. When you lose someone you loved very much you feel this big empty space and think, 'If I had known this was coming I would have done things differently.' These are the feelings I wanted to arouse in the players with Aerith's death relatively early in the game. Feelings of reality and not Hollywood[30]”

Didnt she work there because she misinterpreted what Zack told her? Had some top notch art though.

I’m taking on two idiots?

And what does Aeris dying have to do with anything we're discussing?

>not the one where Tifa and Aerith drug Yuffie and then rape her until she's a mindbroken sex slave of theirs

>Had some top notch art though.
That's exactly why. And yes you're correct.

Base points user, that's what they start with.

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Cloud speaks up and Marlene recognizes his voice.

Because she cast a hex on him with her ancient's magic, we all know Titty Tifa and Jailbait Yuffie are superior choices.

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Didn't Zack tell Cloud about Aeris while they were on the truck going to Midgar?

When proven wrong you retreat to some idiocy so I will just be quoting the moneyshot

“When you lose someone you loved very much you feel this big empty space and think, 'If I had known this was coming I would have done things differently.' These are the feelings I wanted to arouse in the players with Aerith's death relatively early in the game. Feelings of reality and not Hollywood[30]“

Wrong reply, I assume. I'm pretty sure the post you're referring to says "default".

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Not by name. He mentions “having somewhere to crash” and then remembers “oh wait the mom lives there”

No such thing exists.

Yuffie's is the cutest though.

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>Mizuryu Kei
>great art
Only if it's the first time you've seen their stuff. After a while you see the same problems with artists like sameface and terrible proportions in some positions.

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>I GOT CAUGHT FUCKING UP, BETTER CALL SOMEONE AN IDIOT SO I DON'T HAVE TO ADMIT IT
lmao

Because it benefits the plot, duh.

Did they fug?

Like rabbits.

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He doesn't, he just feels guilty she died because of his shit with Sephiroth.

FBI OPEN UP

I’ve moved the debate forward while you’re stuck on what you call my fuck up. Even if it is it’s irrelevant and you're just clinging to it desperately

I like the pencilling on that one. I didn't say I was a big fan of his other works.

I dealt with the problem youre mine now.

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Wait, so what happens if you have tifa and yuffie in your party?

How many summons will they cut?

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Why doesn't anyone love you OP?

If they touch Behamut Zero I will drop another nuke.

You can love someone and not think of them romantically. Do you think drunk dudes saying they love each other are looking to get married? Does your mom saying she loves you mean she wants to be more than your mom? I love how you're trying to be autistic about the words the devs use as if it were an admission that Cloud loves Aeris. Try to find an article where any FF7 dev is direct about Cloud and Aeris' relationship, you'll find they're extremely vague about the whole issue and are more likely to infer that fans are free to make up their mind.

Don't have a save before her death anymore, so I don't know. I will continue waiting warmly for Yuffie's reporter outfit in the remake though.

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>Does your mom saying she loves you mean she wants to be more than your mom?
Perhaps

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No you didn't, you called me and someone else idiots when you could have easily just dropped the issue. You're just full of ironic accusations, aren't you?

The part you quoted earlier shows they were talking about romantic love. That’s why I included it because I knew you’d try this excuse

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it's seemingly what that guy wants, at least

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You are idiots though. I’ve even posted the excerpt (that’s moving it forward, smart guy like you should have gotten that) and all that happened was the other idiot tried to take pieces of out context l.

You literally quoted an earlier part of the full paragraph where it’s clear they are talking about romantic love. You’re incredibly transparent here.

Is this the Vincent of moogles?

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This is how I imagine they spend their time together

Hey, here's a question, if you could add one date/romance option for any character not in the original 4 possibilities, who would you add?
I'd add Nanaki for the slapstick hijinks potential. Also to drive furfag shippers crazy.

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BIG

BARBED

Being sluts?

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Marlene

>point out that "love" has different levels and detail the difference between examples such as friends, family and significant others
>NO MAN IT'S ONLY ROMANTIC CLOUD WANTS TO MARRY AERIS EVEN THOUGH HE NEVER SHOWS ANYTHING RIVALING TRYING TO JOIN SOLDIER TO IMPRESS TIFA

With each other, it’s purer that way

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I'd add Scarlet. Have her defect from Shinra for Cloud. Lusty bad girls are always so sweet.

I’ve always loved this image, but the filename is also true

Does it have to include Cloud? Scarlet/Tifa, the ultimate crackship

Yeah and here you are still harping about this after "moving forward", showing that you clearly aren't ready to do so.

Actually

>including the whole paragraph shows Nomura and Kitase were talking about romantic love. So the fact there are multiple kinds of love is tifafag cope”

>the entire date is Barret lobbing bricks at you whenever Marlene isn't looking
>Cloud has a precursor wheelchair incident following that

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I though Aerith was peeing on the floor for a second... haha

And again, because you guys are idiots... I never said Cloud does not have feelings for Tifa. But you guys can only argue against me if you pretend I did, because you have nothing.

Does that paragraph I quoted have the word "romance" or "romantic" in it?

It’s funny how I said you’re desperately clinging to it and here you are still. I’m also responding to your friend’s cope

Yuri's purity is overrated.

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Cloud only loves Yuffie, stop lying, pls.

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So point out where in the game Cloud shows that he's unarguably in love with Aeris then

Pure

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They have to specifically say “romantic” now? Goalpost moving. What else are they talking about? And remember, in these planning stages Aeris was the only girl.

First paragraph of “Creation and Development” en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tifa_Lockhart

see

Yea it’s obvious goalpost moving from you. Cope.

That's a lot of material she's hiding under her shirt.

I’ve done it several times and even posting the devs saying their intent. I can’t hold your hand.

>It’s funny how I said you’re desperately clinging to it and here you are still
Like I said, you could drop it but you aren't. You're the one unwilling to let go here.

Tifa only uses Yuffie while she saves herself for Cloud.

those are some cute asian girlfriends

>Goalpost moving
Wrong, because if we're talking about "love" in general it could be argued that all the girls "loved" Aeris the same way Cloud did because they all were affected by Aeris death. Yuffie runs away crying IIRC.

The distinction is important because when most people talk about love between Cloud and Aeris it IS romantic love they're discussing. But like I mentioned earlier you're just being autistic about the word love and ignoring that Cloud never does anything close to trying to join SOLDIER to impress Aeris.

She's just keeping them warm for Cloud.

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I am talking to someone else about something else sl clearly I have

It’s goalpost movong because you’ve changed your objections quite a few times here. The trope of the hero sacrificing himself to “demonstrate his love” is about a romantic attachment. Especially when discussing mainstream works as they were.

It’s over user

I remember an old Sean Connery movie where he played a writer and he basically said the same thing. He wrote some shit and the fans filled in blanks that wasn't there.

Toasty

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It's relative. Filthy yuri is still purer than filthy hetero, and pure yuri is immaculate.

Cloud left his hometown to become a 1st Class Soldier just to impress Tifa.

How can anyone say he didn't love her?

>It’s goalpost movong because you’ve changed your objections quite a few times here
Wrong again, it's always been about romantic love between Cloud and Aeris because that's all anyone ever talks about. You needing someone to explain the different levels of love and why people only ever debate the love between Cloud and Aeris being romantic or not just shows everyone you're being needlessly autistic.
For like the millionth time, how about you point out an example of Cloud showing he loves Aeris romantically anywhere in the league of joining SOLDIER to impress Tifa.

>I am talking to someone else about something else sl clearly I have
lol okay bruh

Hey; remember when Marlene asks if Aeris likes him? The canon response he gives “I hope so” according to the ultimania.

And there’s making Tifa jealous wih his conviction to save Aeris from shinra. In elevator and stairs

Both matter more than a childhood promise.

It’s over user. Your last trick is to be obtuse. Well okay, your only trick

They don't know that. Like how Cloud was so jealous of Soldier when they visited his town.

Nobody is

Did it earlier in the thread. I know how this works, when you lose your footing you want to reargue something we already did

>"I hope this girl likes me"
>DUDE CLOUD WANTS AERIS SO BAD THERE'S NO WAY HE'S JUST BEING FRIENDLY/NICE

>And there’s making Tifa jealous wih his conviction to save Aeris from shinra. In elevator and stairs
What does Tifa being jealous have to do with how Cloud feels about Aeris?

>Both matter more than a childhood promise.
lol are you really grasping at straws this hard that you're talking about the childhood promise as if it were some defining factor in Cloud being in love with Aeris?

Yeah I'm rearguing a point because I'm moving the goalposts, not because that was the point the whole time.

Like I said, your only trick is to be obtuse. Someone posts evidence and you immediately dismiss it

The devs say you’re wrong, square continues to say you’re wrong. The remake will probably continue this tradition. Can’t wait fkr the salt

I literally did what you are now asking earlier, that’s the point. You want to cycle through each thing as if you were not left without an answer before.

most of the people saying this shit just are jealous of Tifa being the ultimate stacey and being with Cloud. They will deny it anyway they can.

The ultimania also clarifies that marlene js sharp enough to realize this should be kept from Tifa. Which again is clear evidence it’s not just platonic

Dude, you’re really just unwilling to accept something is the way it is because it’s not beaten over your head

No, my only "trick" is there's nothing in the game that Cloud does that shows that's he's romantically interested in Aeris anywhere close to the level of him trying to join SOLDIER so he'd be worthy of Tifa's attention. Keep grasping at straws and throwing out excuses as to why you can't refute that.

Aeris has more of a stacey personality desu. People like Tifa because she’s more humble, and endowed

I'm only cycling through anything because you aren't getting the point. My position has been the same throughout this whole thread, there's nothing Cloud does that demonstrates romantic interest in Aeris anywhere close to him joining SOLDIER to impress Tifa.

did nobody on Yea Forums ever pursue notoriety of any kind

I 100% guarrantee Cloud didn't try to become SOLDIER just for Tifa. He did it for his mom, he did it for being a loser kid, he did it for respect, he did it for a multitude of reasons

I’ve said it quote a few times now. And you always deny that something staged to be romantic is romantic because it’s not explicitly stated. This is what people in denial do.

Charging into the shinra building, initially without even asking for Tifa and Barret’s help is more than a childhood promise.

Technically nothing in Cloud’s memories explicitly say he had a crush on Tifa either. It’s just so obvious that’s why he is interested in a girl that people assume it, but by your logic he could just want to be important and have friends and she’s the most popular kid in town

That’s how dumb this tactic is

This, I just realize it’s never explicitly stated he did it to bang Tifa so we should not assume he did, according to this guy’s logic anyway.

If the devs saying Aeris’ death is meant to be the hero losing something he loves is not obviously romantic lovs, then neither is the hero trying to prove himself to a girl anything more than platonic I say

Just posted it here

There's no fucking th sound in Japanese, how is that the correct translation? The transliteration is Earisu.

this is one (1) thing that Tifafags and Aerisfags can agree on

and it's that every girl in FFVII is better than every girl in FFVI

>The ultimania also clarifies that marlene js sharp enough to realize this should be kept from Tifa. Which again is clear evidence it’s not just platonic
Wanting a girl to like you doesn't mean you want to be romantically involved with them 100%. Clearly Cloud enjoys her company, but that doesn't mean he wants her to be a girlfriend or more. Haven't you ever had an extended conversation with a girl that wasn't your GF?

>And you always deny that something staged to be romantic is romantic because it’s not explicitly stated
Wrong, I keep asking for examples of these things and all I got was "Cloud had conversations with Aeris, Barret and Tifa that show he's romantically interested in Aeris" without so much as a paraphrasing of the dialogue. Still the same goalpost that I started with in this thread.

We all agree that Zack's best girl was Cissnei, Clouds best girl was Tifa and that Aeris is better off dead, right?

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I thought pointing out how your same logic could be used to deny his feelings for Tifa would be enough. Clearly not though.

I guess I’ll just have to say it’s absurd to think when the MC says he hopes a character involved in a love triangle subplot “likes him” he’s only being friendly and it’s not showing leanings at that point.

Zack was the best character in the entire compilation, prove me wrong.

And, it gets further absurd when the ultimania also confirms Marlene is right that Tifa “would not like to know this”

No, that’s not what happened. I even knce referenced how they acted alone and someone said the fact they were alone means it “didn’t count”

The pattern is obvious, deny evidence when presented. Do not apply the same denials to the Tifa relationship

Tifa
Cloud, what about your other memories?
No, not memories.
A memory is something that has to be consciously recalled, right?
That's why sometimes it can be mistaken and a different thing......
But it's different from a memory locked deep within your heart......
That's why it must be a fake. If he could recall up that memory......
That's it! What about some memory that has to do with me?
I say something and you don't remember it......
But you say something, and I remember it, too... Then we'll know that's our memory......
Talk to me. About anything, some important memory to you...
Now that you mention it, why did you want to join SOLDIER in the first place?
I always thought it was a sudden decision you made......

......I was devastated. ......I wanted to be noticed.

Cloud
......I was devastated. ......I wanted to be noticed.
I thought if I got stronger I could get someone to notice......

Tifa
Someone to notice you...? ......who?

Who......? ......You know who! ......You, that's who.

Cloud
You......

Tifa
......Me? Why!?

yinza.com/Fandom/Script/36.html

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yup

>Compilationfags

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I thought pointing out how your same logic could be used to deny his feelings for Tifa would be enough. Clearly not though.
see

>Palpatine was the best character in the prequels, prove me wrong.

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2/3 of the VI girls are actual murderers so I guess.

Part of Aerith's dead boyfriend's consciousness is inside cloud, she sees this and falls for him.

Yea I know, but you’re so stupid you don’t get the point we are making... just as you deny obvious romantic interest in aeris, we can point out he never affirms he nad a crush on Tifa

He could have just wanted friends. He even says thag later. He could have just felt guilty and weak for the accident. He even says that iirc.

What is missing is an explicitl statement he loved her... something you were quick to aay was absent from the material supplied about Aeris

Tbqh senpai I'm pretty sure the devs just wanted an excuse for Cloud and gang to assault the Shrina HQ so there'd be a fun dungeon sequence and then came up with story reasons for.

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You don’t get it. You’re inferring romance just as we are but are in denial

She indicates that’s not so in the Gold Saucer. Or not any longer

aren't all these characters murderers?

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Cloud was just emulating Zack who is her dead ex boyfriend. I think it's pretty easy to see why.

Because SE said it was, I think the Japs who natively speak Japanese and made the fucking game more know than anyone else would. Also ス is very commonly used in place of a "th" sound because as you mentioned there is no native equivalent.
>The transliteration is Earisu.
Yes but transliterations are not always accurate especially when it comes to names there is often more to it. Japanese translate terribly to English and it's not uncommon for loanwords to end up sounding almost nothing like the original intended word.

Yea, but this is how they chose to do it so we go with that. They also needed a new girl after they planned to kill Aeris and then added Tifa. So what? Doesnt make Tifa nothing

>yufie with huge tits
EWWW, here have an upgrade

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>Cloud and Tifa explicitly love each other
>no no has to be more explicit
this level of cope,
btw Tifas character in Advent was supposed to be a woman waiting for her man to come back.
>her man
cloud is her man.

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No

>Marlene thinking Tifa will get jealous of Cloud saying "I hope so" about a girl liking him means that Cloud loves Aeris romantically
Mental gymnastics of the highest degree. Marlene's ability to recognize Tifa's affection for Cloud and why other girls showing interest would make her jealous =/= Cloud's actual feelings.

Dude you’re retarded. People have posted the devs saying Cloud had feelings for Aeris but one guy is saying it could jist be platonic, so now they’re saying that about TifaXCloud to show how dumb that is

The book literally says Marlene is correct about this. You do not read what people post or you forget it immediately. We’re always relitigating the previous issue with you

>He could have just wanted friends
He wanted to impress her so they could become friends. That makes total sense.

the fuck are you even saying? Incoherent fucking tard.

how does that dismiss anything he is saying? faggot.

>she steals a kiss from Cloud
>Cloud doesn't react....at all
>She gets mad

It’s like people here do not understand social interaction and what it means to say you “love” someone 9 times out of ten. Especially when it’s between young heterosexual adults. Or in the case of Marlene how young kids talk about love, they use the term “like” but any simpleton knows what it means.

You can’t be adamant Cloud and Tifa fuck when it’s never shown or more than vaguely confirmed but then insist the same level of interpretation is wrong when applied to aeris and cloud

Nigga who the fuck makes friends by telling them out of the blue they're joining the military to become special forces? He doesn't just want friends, he wants to be close to Tifa. He thinks lowly of the group that hangs around Tifa even though he could have been just like them and hung around Tifa with them. He gets into fights because he's frustrated about his weakness, why would he do that if just wanted friends?

Where does Cloud do anything comparable when it comes to Aeris?

see

Because they’re not serious, they’re showing how stupid thinking like that is. Remedial class

It makes as much sense as thinking this is just about friends

>Marlene is correct that Tifa will be jealous
Once again, this has nothing to do with Cloud's actual feelings, just that Marlene knows what will make Tifa jealous

Cissnei pulled the rug on Aerith. She can't catch a break.

these threads always devolve, and there's never enough images

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>people in ff7 definitely act like normal people
People also don’t fight the government usually. But they do that too

I do not understand how you guys don’t get this. When it’s with Tifa you think it’s “so obvious it need mot be said” when do the opposite with aeris

tifa gang rise up

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aeris belongs to zack

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If only the devs enlightened us about how Cloud and the player are meant to interpret the loss of Aeris... maybe thay would cut through the idiotic assumption that asking the player if they like a love triangle participant around which a side quest is built is just platonic

too bad he died and she's free to pursue other people for the remainder of her life

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There's way more damning evidence pointing towards Tifa and Cloud making love under the Highwind and Cloud having a crush on her since childhood than anything that happens between Cloud and Aeris. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Tonight has been especially shitty, with those two retards argument about literally nothing taking up almost half the thread.

>People also don’t fight the government usually
They do when the government is actively fucking up their lives. Read the news about Venezuela lately?

fuck them
and fuck shinra

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Tifa is for Yuffie only

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>remainder of her life

Yeah, about that.

what? nothing you are saying has a fucking thing to do with what user is saying.

>losing someone you care about
>you only experience a deep level of grief if you wanted to bang them
This is what you sound like.

Pitting aside the fact Tifa also loves longer and spends more time with Cloud, all that’s being argued is that Cloid had feelings for Aeris.

The evidence from developers and supplemental materials makes that clear, but the response has been to assume that’s is allackshully platonic.

The problem is we could just assume that about tifa and cloud too. It’s dumb but that’s the level we are at

Yeah? Has anyone determined how much time passes in the game? Weeks/months?

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That’s a minority of people still. Kind kf my point. These are not ordinary people, and operate on jrpg logic

It does, you’re new

>Script writer Kazushige Nojima described Tifa's role in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children as "very much like any woman who's been left behind by a man", stating that while they didn't want her to appear clingy, they wanted to portray her as having been hurt emotionally. In the film's initial draft she was intended to have a more central role in the then-short film, which only featured herself, Cloud, and several children, with the story revolving around a note being delivered to him.

>Advent Children
Put it in the garbage can and close the lid tightly.

That’s exactly what you guys think prompt Cloud to make his promise to Tifa as kids. He could just feel normal guilt about letting her get injured lol

And it’s hardly the only point made. He even princess carries her to her grave bow that i think about it though, a romantic gesture

no it doesn't the point is the writers have made it exploctly clear Tifa and Cloud are together.

die

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>i-it d-doesn't count b-because it proves my delusion wrong.

The difference is that Cloud made under no uncertain circumstances that he made life altering decisions based on his desire to impress and be worthy of Tifa's attention. I'm asking for examples of interaction between Cloud and Aeris or Cloud's actions that show a comparable display.

The other girl is dead of course. If I was arguing Cloud didn’t love Tifa, which I am not, you’d have a point. But once agin you guys struggle with that

Why are Aerisfags always in a state of SEETHING?

Cloud and aerith never amounted to anything. Objectively the amount if time they had together was tiny compared to Tifa.
The entire thing was a love triangle to enhance the Tifa x Cloud.

So instead of tackling the issue of Cloud joining SOLDIER specifically to impress/be worthy of Tifa we're gonna talk about how Tifa and Cloud YEARS LATER became attached to a terrorist group because Shinra/Sephiroth's actions fucked up their lives in relation to Cloud possibly being in love with Aeris?

Given earlier in thread and I repeated a few, namely his decision to assault Shinra. A decision he initially says he will do alone. His conviction to save Aeris impresses Barrett and makes Tifa jealous, Both lowkey say he must really love this girl to do it.

But again, every time people point out confirmation that cloud had feelings for Aeris you idiots say “it could be platonic” so I say there’s nothing saying concretely that he had a crush on Tifa and just didnt want notoreity

You faggots are talking about literally nothing

Assertion. You’re clearly new

Instead of tackling the issue where the devs outright have said Cloud had feelings for Aeris you just assert it’s actually meaningless.

And he assaults Shinra to save Aeris, idk what you’re responding to exactly

I just do not get it. The same people who say Cloud and Tifa obviously fucked are now saying all the cues that Cloud also liked Aeris do not count because they COULD be interprets as platonic

Pick one

That doesn't explain why he obsessively yearns to be a part of Tifa's group before she ever gets hurt though, and it definitely doesn't show Cloud being in love with Aeris, which is still my main focus of this discussion

Tifa is pure, and that means she loves girls, cute girls like Yuffie

Nigga, Cloud literally says why he wants to save Aeris, he feels like it's his fault she got mixed into his mess. It's not about some grand love he feels for her after just meeting her. Also, back at her home he asks Tifa if she is really sure to go with him since it's such a dangerous mission. Which shows that he is concerned about her safety

Oh my mistake, I see now. Once again you conveniently forget what the subject of a particular conversational thread was

You said it was OBVIOUS that Cloud joined SOLDIER to impress and fuck tifa.

Being the same person who thinks the devs saying the death of Aeris is the death of someone the MC loved COULD be platonic I am simply showing you that SAME LOGIC could be used to deny that Tifa and Cloud had anything going on.

Your response to this was that it just does not make sense Cloud would ioin the military except to fuck Tifa. And I say even if that followed in the real world (it does not) these are not characters who are terribly realistic with their actions the rest of the time

it was platonic Clouds true desire was Tifa. Aerith was just a really likable girl.

just kys

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And both Tifa and Barret pick up on the fact there ks more going on and tease him for it. You people just pretend subtext is not a thing.

And again the Ultimania said it was canon for Cloud to say “he hopes so” when Marlene asked him if he thinks Aeris liked him

>The same people
which ones are those now?

Devs disagree. He had feelings for both, Tifa probably is his girl anyway bit he had feelings for Aeris too

You’ve been mad ever since I posted the devs words

>not going on a date with Barrus

>people are debating once AGAIN if Cloud was in love with Tifa back when he was a little shit
This madness has to stop

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The tifafags who argue with me and the guy who said there was no reason to think they fucked. And they’re iterated in talking to me that the Highwind Scene js super important (despite being optional, depending on who you date, in a game rigged toward Aeris)

Cloud has a boner for both girls, but his interest for Aeris steams from his Zack persona

Every single time some new idiot comes in and says this I say the same thing, I am pointing out how the logic they are using with regard to Aeris COULD be used on Tifa

I even pointed out the Ultimania, a more authoritative source than your pic, confirms Cloud had feelings for Aeris and they refuse to buy it

>his decision to assault Shinra. A decision he initially says he will do alone

Upstairs, Barret is hugging Marlene to him.

Barret
I'm so glad...... I'm so glad you're all right...

Marlene
Daddy, don't cry. Your whiskers hurt!

Cloud moves to leave without saying anything, but Barret notices him.

Barret
Cloud!
You gonna go help Aeris, right? She's done so much for me...
If it's the Shinra you're dealin' with, I can't just sit here! I'm comin', too!

Cloud goes back downstairs and heads for the door.

Tifa
You're going after Aeris, right?

Cloud
Yeah.

Tifa
I'm coming with you.

Cloud
We're going right into Shinra Headquarters. ...You gotta be prepared for the worst.

Tifa
I know.
Right now, I feel I have to push myself to the limit.
If I stayed here... I'll go crazy.

Barret comes thundering down.

Barret
Sorry, but can you take care of Marlene a bit longer?

Elmyra
Yes, I don't mind.

Barret
This place is dangerous now. You better go somewhere else.

Elmyra
...You're right. But promise me that you'll come back to her. Don't get yourself killed.

Barret turns to Cloud and Tifa. They all nod and run outside.

Tifa
How do we get to the Shinra Building?

Barret
There ain't no train that goes up there anymore...

Tifa
......
Well, let's just go to Wall Market. We might be able to find something there.

I'm not the guy your debating. But seeing you faggots talk about this shit over and over again while actually agreeing with each other is beyond autistic, so once again kys

First part is true. Second is laughably wrong

He had no idea about Aeris so the idea he would like her by being Zack is just wrong. For another he was not outright copying Zack’s personality anyway, he borrowed bits of it and his memories to make some frankensteined persona.

quote them in a post so I can see which ones you're talking about

Yep, he leaves on his own then they invite themselves along and initially tries to discourage them. Thank you

We don’t agree though. I just now find it funny how they’re adamant Tifa and Cloud FUCK (in an optional scene) but refuse to take the devs word for it on Cloud’s feelings toward Aeris

Was it this one?

youtube.com/watch?v=1hMMUJ2Gn7Y

I think there was a ultimania quote that actually said that Jenova was trying to get closer to Aeris

Cloud devolved to being an emo in that film somehow. Until the final arc of course. He needs to take some vitamins.

Not going through the whole thread, this one is recent and enough
Remember, the implied banging is itself an optional scene

Someone post the fanfic of Tifa molesting Marlene and cap off this shitty FF girl thread

That would be interesting, she is an Ancient and all. Hated enemy, knows ahe will be a problem

Maybe this is the only way to end this gay shit

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People don't buy it because Cloud actively does/says things that shows how important Tifa is to him, specifically joining SOLDIER, the sequence in his subconscious and the night under the Highwind. Compare that to his interactions with Aeris and the latter is extremely vague as to where exactly Aeris lives in Cloud's heart.

Remedial class

In this case someone posted what the authors said and the other side performed mental gymnastics to avoid it

Did we ever resolve the questions about Tifa and Aerith and their relationship to Cloud and how Zack factors into things?

I think we need another thread or so in the next couple of months.

This was the shit USA thread. In about 3 hours there will be the better euro ff girl thread that doesn't have as much pointless bitching

Does it with Aeris too. But when it’s Aeris they expect the characters to break the fourth wall and say “this is romantic” while require no such thing for Cloud and tifa deapite one of those examples possibly being platonic, and the other being only implied in an optional scene

You’re so biased you cant even see this

>initially tries to discourage them
>doesn't even say anything to Barret
>tells Tifa to be prepared for the worst
Yeah he really tried to convince them not to go huh? Also:

Barret and Cloud follow Tifa up the stairs.

Barret
Don't know... Why... the hell... We gotta... climb...

Cloud
...Because we don't want to start a commotion until we've saved Aeris.
I doubt that's possible though...

Barret
...heh heh heh.

Cloud
Knock it off. You're giving me the creeps.

Barret
So even you will fight for someone else. I had you figured wrong I guess.

Cloud
Who cares what you figured!

Barret
I'm just sayin' mebbe I was wrong...

Tifa
heh heh heh......

Cloud
What's that supposed to mean, Tifa?

Barret
...how much farther do these stairs go on?

Tifa
Why don't you ask them?

Cloud loves and gets with Tifa
Cloud also had feelings for Aeris
Zack and Aeris hang out in the lifestream, Cloud and Tifa bang irl. Everyone ks happier this way even if some of them do not get 100% what they wanted.

t. aerisfag

Yeah so you'll make claims and not even try to back them up, not that I'm surprised

Yep. Look at that, exactly what I said. Them giggling at Cloud’s concern for a girl. The elevator scene is also relevant, since you can also do some random battles on the elevator if you bust in

>Why don't you ask them?
Tifas banter is 10/10

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