Name a character more undeserving to be in smash bros

name a character more undeserving to be in smash bros

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>He's still upset that /ourcroc/ made it in

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Joker
Corrin
Dark Pit
Zero Suit Samus
Bowser Jr.
Jigglypuff
Mario

The fact that Sakurai thought Corrin, Dark Pit and fucking Zero Suit Samus were good choices completely bamboozles me.

ROB probably, although I like his inclusion

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Incineroar

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Lucina and Chrom, Olimar

That's like saying Bowser doesn't deserve to be in Smash.

he didn't like corrin but he was pressured/convinced because her game was coming soon

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>Zero Suit also makes sense, as Metroid is big enough to have another character, but the franchise literally has no other characters besides Samus.

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All zoomers must hang

Almost every Fire Emblem character.
All the rest are fine by me to be honest.

Banjo

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Corrin
I can list more but mostly Corrin

Ridley
K. Rool is based

No characters are deserving or undeserving to be in Smash retard, Sakurai puts whoever the fuck he wants

>Because of ZZS we're not getting a Fusion suit Samus with Ice missile and an actual Samus moveset.
Man, it's all I want not that Dark Sammy and Ridley is in.

user
>has opinion

You
>Not on my watch

Get stuffed, loser.

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Corrin

Daisy. No other answer is correct.

zero suit samus is at least hype as fuck to watch competitively

Ness and Lucas. Fuck em.

>K Rool
Recurring boss in the 3rd largest franchise on the SNES, only beat by Mario and Final Fantasy. Was probably the most requested character on the ballot.
>Trashley
Side character in a side character's spinoff game. Isn't even an important side character, Mona and Crygor are more important and have been in the series since the first game where Ashley has not.

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meme owl is shit though

newfag here, what exactly is the difference between normal Pit and Dark Pit? one just looks like a reskin of the other to me

All pokemon are shit, take shitty baracat and grenigger out.

One has a cool FS attack the other just has a shitty dragoon FS attack.

Some of their moves have different properties

Imagine being this obsessed that you mention Ashley out of nowhere

Incineroar
P.Plant (even tho I love him)
Corrin
Their side specials are different and something with their arrows

>Duck Hunt
>Underserving

at least his design is better than "anime with sword no. 7"

Dunk cunt is trash and smash wouldn't be any different if they took him out.

Get over it. He's based

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Joker
Cloud
Bayo

Who cares? He's getting cut the next game

>Bayonetta

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>next game
I wonder if Sakurai will look like a zombie by that point.

You don't get to live down losing a seethe spree like trashleyfags did. Especially when you get deconfirmed without even a title card moments before the big cock krock stomps onto the scene.

Any negative mention of K. Rool from now until the end of time will invite in mocking the shitloli. Same thing will happen to Minecraft and it's (former) default skin once Banjo is in.

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Corrin should be removed in the next Smash, but come on. That's who you pick out of all the FE characters? We didn't need both Lucina AND Robin and we needed Chrom even less.

I wish fire emblem died when the creator left since IS just fuck's it's corpse for shits and giggles.

>Jigglypuff

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Corrin is the 2nd most unique out of the FE swordies though. If anything they should remove Lucina and Chrom, or just make them literal reskins of Marth and Ike

Obsessed, all the Ashleyfags were falseflaggers and did shit for K.Rool

Its still an important IP to Nintendo's history.

SMASHFAGS BEWARE
YOU'RE IN FOR A SCARE

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>Chrom
>Reskin of ike
Lol no.

All the Pokemon that were introduced to the game after the 64 release are unnecessary.

Corrin is easily one of the worst of the FE characters
>Included when Fates had only just been released in Japan and had yet to release elsewhere as a blatant shilling attempt
>Actually took up dev time by virtue of not being a simple clone
>Weak link among the otherwise decent DLC character
>Have to pay extra for him if you want a full roster
>Ended up being widely disliked as a character when he did finally make a proper game debut
>DOWN B COUNTER
Wipe that fucker from existence

Even Mewtwo?

Not even kidding or baiting when I say Rosalina.
She feels insanely overblown and it feels like she only made it in because she's babys first waifu.
Nobody even bothers playing her, regardless if she's high tier like in Tr4sh or low tier in Ultimate. Not to mention her moveset is boring as fuck despite having the novelty of being a puppet character. Her moveset can be summarized as creating miniature galaxies or spawing lunar rings.
I don't care much for Junior but its fucking stupid how he and Rosalina were added in the same Smash despite Junior being far more important and longer around

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Lucina or Chrom (one is fine)
Corrin
Bayonetta
Joker
Richter (but I like him)
Zamus
Pittoo

Sheik is also largely irrelevant but shes still in due to her legacy status, not unlike Falcon.

Remember when Smash had no counters?

Brawl would of been the point to dump her and it nearly happened but now she's too much seniority to leave. It'd be like getting rid of Falcon or Ness

Yeah, it was pretty bad back then...

Zero suit started out as something that happened after u used smauses final smash in brawl u fucking tard

>only just released
it had been six months in Japan, that's not "just released"
Also, having a Down B Counter doesn't suddenly make your moveset unoriginal, Corrin plays like no other character in the game, which can't be said of the Marth Quartet

So, for one game?

Oh and Cloud. FF deserves a rep but if you still view Smash as "Nintendos All Stars" then hes really egregious.

Anyone who doesn't think Roy is the least deserving is fucking kissing themselves
>Another sword user
>doesn't even have any unique elements like Corrin and Robin
>made his debut before his game got released
>anyone who plays him clearly never played his game
Roy is a fucking meme character and no one who plays him can justify their reasoning beyond "our boy XD"
You might as well root for Waluigi and Shrek

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Down b counters made me never pick up K rool when I really wanted to play him. It's so fucking lazy.

Corrin is the most successful FE lord of all time and reps the manaketes in the series, anyone saying Corrin is least deserving is full retard. Actual least deserving is Bowser Jr., nobody cares about the little faggot.

Should have been Eevee,Mimikyu, or Zeraora

More deserving than fucking Corrin or the awakening fags.

Ridley.

Especially considering Roy is a joke of a unit in his own game

>Lucina, Corrin and Chrom
lol
>Dark Pit and Palutena
sakurai bias
>Bayo
great character, great games, doesn't deserve the slot
>Incineroar
>Pichu
>Toon Link
we don't need 3 links
>Joker
he's cool but an SMT protag is probably more 'deserving'
>Dr. Mario
replace with Paper Mario

Jesus. Absolutely forgot about her for my honorable mentions list , which just goes to show what an unworthy cunt she is. She feels like a nothingburger of a character and only got added in because she was momentarily popular with Nintendo before Smash 4.

This, he and Pichu were very out of place in Melee, everyone in that game had a legacy

Based. Banjokes should be laughed at at all times

Roy is by far the least important of the FE lords in the game but saying all the swordsman are the same is a really stupid opinion, Roy's a rushdown swordsman that falls really fast he plays a lot different from Marth no matter how many similar animations he has.

I use his as a reflect more than a counter

>fucking yellow puke Zeraora
yeah, we dont need lucario 3.0

The same reason Banjo is going to be Steveies

Your relevancy argument is dying

Ok, MTP

>Eevee
>Another Gen I mon
>A mon that does nothing but evolve into more interesting mons
I really don't like Inceroar but I'd take it over Eevee

ZOOM ZOOM

Lol no
Ashley was literally the Steve Fags of Ultimate before release
>SHES RELEVENT BROS
>WARIOWARE GOLD BROS SHES IN
>MOST POPULAR CHARACTER IN JAPAN BROS

>covers multiple gens
>fan favs
>has unique evolving mechanic
Take them over latest gen shil starter anyday

How could Mario make it in? It is unfair. At least we got Dr. Mario who is way more deserving of being in Smash.
Too bad Goomba and Shy Guy didn't make it.

All of them

>Decidueye fags before Incineroar started leaking
>Ashley fags before K Rool

Pre-release was kino

True, but I prefer close quarters to spacing so I prefer Roy over Marth.

Lol no
Banjokes are literally the Ashley Fags of Ultimate before release
>HES RELEVENT BROS
>PHIL SPENCER BROS SHES IN
>MOST POPULAR CHARACTER IN JAPAN BROS

I don't get it

They were doing that before the dlc to?
God they really are jokes

>Competitive 64

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How would the evolving mechanic even work? He's not a digimon.

> Rosterfags shitflinging over WHO deserves to be in or not
> Nobody bats an eye when certain characters aren't features as spirits
SAY SOMETHING RETARDS! It's bad enough that characters like Adeleine, Sylux, the majority of the Wars crew, Doshin, John Raimi and Mike Jones aren't representended, yet you idiots do jackshit.

Rosterfags need to die

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Side Specials have different angles, damage and hurtbox.
DP's arrows hit harder but drift less.
Pit has a sweetspot on Side tilt.
Their FS is different.
Everything else is cosmetic, which is probably why DP is in in the first place. It probably took less than a three days to make the character back in SSB4 because of all the ported Uprising models.

KDrool, FE in its entirety, the fucking plant no one plays, any pokemon besides Pikachu and Pokemon trainer, the fucking Wii fit trainer, maybe echoes in general
Just make them a god damn skin, also Joker and Bayo. fucking Kamiyas tranny waifu from QTE the game and a god damn PS4 Character from a VN are retarded choices

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One user said that it was pretty bad back then, refering that Smash 64 is a bad game for not having counter

Fucking zoomer

Epic, this is ok

Dr. LUIGI WHEN

>Just make them a skin

Seriously don't get this autism, they are basically skins now.

I mean 64 isn't melee so he's right

Pointing the finger isn’t changing that you think popularity means Steve is in and annoying everybody around you.

Making Banjo look like the bad guy is what makes you worse.
The people going against you is against your shitposting, not Steve himself

>caring about png files
The characters who are just spirits might as well not be in the game at all

It's pretty bad if you wanna play competitively.

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Yeah, and they STILL insist on cereal bear and insult literally ANYONE with a different opinion. Can’t wait till they’re finally Ashley’ed

>fucking kissing themselves
I agree tho

>People are STILL using the relevancy argument after K Rool and Simon got in

>Ignoring that Nintendo and Sakurai literally used the ballot for these characters regardless of relevancy

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Where is Isaac then?

>Pointing the finger isn’t changing that you think popularity means Steve is in and annoying everybody around you.
then why are more and more people open to the idea, and more and more are changing their mind about banjo
Stevefags aren’t the ones stalking people on twitter and harassing them for liking Banjo, like Plantman and Tetris Joe are

Lucario

He's an assist trophy dumbass. Like Ashley and Waluigi.

First party/Japanese/relevant franchise

When will E3 show up already, I want this eternal debate to finish already

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Corrin
Rosalina
Wii Fit Trainer
Dark Pit
Incineroar
Zero Suit Samus

I know he isn't right now but he should be.

> Bringing up Ashley for no reason
Fucking obseesed retard, Why is Isaac not playable? That's what I meant you dumbass

Why do you think he's an assist trophy instead of being playable? Even though he's been a big fan request for years?

Oh yeah, it's because his series is dead.

We probably would’ve gotten Geno too it Square wasn’t fucking retarded

>Wii Fit Trainer

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Reminder to keep all Cereal Box Mascots away from Smash, including Banjo

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>Muh poll with 1k votes (certified not bots tm)
Fuck off back to discord.
Issac is irrelevant and niche as fuck pols don't prove shit. Your vocal minority needs to fuck off back to the cuck shed with Geno and Goku.

Not to also mention banjokes raiding private discord servers and flooding chat rooms, harassing patrons, harassing Rare/Mojang employees......

At least add Banjoke to this picture
>not my pic-
Well, just photoshop him in next to a box of golden crisp or Elmer cookies I dunno

> irrelevant and niche as fuck polls don't prove shit
Just like Banjo right?

fuck you nigger i want gex in

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Fuck no, nu-falchion isn't even as big as ragnell. Chrom is royalty and is a descendant of marth, he has a style to play, Ike is a mercenary who just swings his sword hard.
Face it faggot, Ashley and Issac aren't going to be playable, take you're shitty mii costumes and be happy.
Dead franchise have nothing to do with anything. By that logic Duck hunt, Pit, Game and Watch, and more shouldn't be a fighter.

Banjo has his seperate picture

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Leave buck bumble out of this
youtube.com/watch?v=x7ok5AV7ZrM

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Oooh ok mr steveie
W-what brand of cereal did he promote
Heh....sure showed those meanies

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Chrom is constantly described as a reckless fighter. Jumping into the heat of battle and often breaking stuff while training. The Falchion may not be as big or as heavy as Ragnell, but the way Chrom fights in Smash doesn't fit the way he is described to fight. Ike would have been a more accurate clone.

They could've gone with a dragoon or black mage, or Cecil or any FF6 character but noooo it had to be the one that appeared in the 1st FF game after SE stopped being close with Nintendo.
At least Snake's series wasn't big on Nintendo to begin with so Twin Snakes works as an argument.

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banj-o's

...What? Roy's the rushdown character in this game, he's 100% the most reckless of the swordsman. Also Chrom and Ike aren't even the same class, clone doesn't make sense.

literally any of the 12+ anime characters theyve thrown in.

Retard

According to Sakurai's rules, franchises without a future are rarely chosen. kotaku.com/smash-bros-creator-explains-how-characters-get-on-the-1644208199
The exception was Ice Climbers in 2001; G&W, ROB and Duck Hunt were added as surprises according to Sakurai (the same way Plant was added)

Your shitty Bear will NEVER be in

I've fucking hated that thing since season 1 of the anime.

I don't see it, Falchion is too small of a hit box, and roy's rushdown style fits Chrom considering he's not as heavy as Ike. Chrom is striker, Ike is a bruiser. (Although this is terribly represented in heroes and other games.)

They could've gone with a Simon Belmont or Goemon, or Vic Viper or any Konami character but noooo it had to be the one that appeared in the 1st Metal Gear game after Konami stopped being close with Nintendo.
At least Cloud's series wasn't big until his game to begin with so him being the face of the franchise works as an argument.

I never mentioned the one-hit wonder bear. Fuck off. And I'm not going to click on a shitty Kotaku link, it's probably made up anyway.

N-no
No
NO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY BEAR
HELP ME PAPAGENOS

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Zero Suit Samus
>game origin is a 10 minute stealth section
>added solely to push another shitty transformation gimmick and to appease waifufags
>moveset is made up for the most part and deviated even more in Sm4sh
I'm a Metroidfag and want Samus to spit on me but she really was a stupid addition, there's no way she should have got in before Ridley and be the only other Metroid rep for two games in a row.

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> No argument
It's real retard

Any and all FE rep.

So is anyone going to buy the steve mii fighter costume when it comes out with the next character?

stay mad
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Most of the Fire Emblem characters and Pokemon

Daisy
there are no difference between her and peach and is only in the game because he wanted to lean in on the idea of echo chaaracters with how many dupes are already in and brought in a couple of new dupes to make it look a little less lazy.

Easy
Who would care if we had two Links instead of three

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Playstyle is one thing, but actually fighting style of the character is another. I'm saying that Roy's fighting style doesn't match what Chrom's is described to be like. Even his attack animations are slower, and appear to have him put weight behind his attacks. Roy's fighting style is quick and more elegant, which is a product of being a Marth semi clone. Stuff like the dancing Blade, and Roy's backhanded fighting style don't look right on Chrom.

>HURR JAPAN ONLY

You keep changing the rules
Shut the fuck up

>Giving Kotaku clicks
FUCK OOOOOOOOOOOOOFF WITH THAT BULLLLLLLLLLLLSHIT. I don't care if you call me retarded, you're more of a braindead cuckbag for linking that shit.

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>yet another Smash thread devolves into crying about people who want Banjo

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you dont hate k. rool
you hate the fact he’s a western-made character

Daisy is just a recolor

his attack animations in Awakening I mean.

I know right FUCK MARIO

Zero suit samus
Lucina

Fucking amazing choon

ok so i guess smash may not exist then, but here's the solution to your complaints though go back to melee or 64

>harassing mojang employees

Lol no, Steve fags were the ones who decided to go on a history lynch to decide if Aubrey would know about Smash content

You fucking cringey Stevie’s

You lost retard, keep coping

Imagine seething this badly just because of a certain website. Go look for it in another site if you're this retarded

>They could've gone with a dragoon or black mage, or Cecil or any FF6 character
Who?

after adding all these charecters? also who's to say ultimate isn't the last one? sakurai it tired and has chronic pain in his good hand, at this point he probably wants to stop

Lol no, Ridley and K Rool are permanent after how long people have been asking

Mario still has had hit games in the last 2 decades so I don't think he's really in the same category.

I'm not the one who linked a site dedicated to spreading misinformation and shitting on gaming. Why don't you actually try instead of leaning back on a site run by the jews?

>[Nintendo character] doesn't deserve to be in [game about Nintendo characters]
This fucking thread.

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they could've made that young link be like the one from warriors and have the feirce deity as his final smash and attacks with the goron,zora and deku forms involved

based

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Fuck no, if Mewtwo, one of the most popular Pokemons and a character who is WAY more popuarl than the fat croc can get cut, so can K.Rool

Daisy's model is different.

Character's from shit games don't deserve representation, this is correct.

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But as is he's the biggest waste of resources I've ever seen. Only in for a marketing slogan

Good to see people who dislike ZSS being in, even back in Brawl I thought another Metroid rep like Dark Samus would have been better.

But they let Olimar in.

Easy solution: remove Toon Link.

And inkling.

Smash's biggest anomaly ever is Zero Suit Samus. I'm grateful for the TnA but it's such a bizarre choice. They wanted Metroid to have a second character and that's the best they came up with. Even Sheik, the second strangest character addition, has the excuse of the transformation mechanic making sense with Zelda.

Jigglypuff was an addition made out of convenience and it was still an undeniably popular Pokémon. Ivysaur came with a group and they wanted each one to be at a different stage of evolution. Still, it's hilarious to think about Ivysaur of all characters being playable in Smash Bros. I don't think I'd ever say Incineroar was more deserving than K. Rool. I get that Pokémon is the biggest franchise ever but getting reserve spots before anything is even concrete is kind of bullshit. Especially when there's a ballot going on.

I love Uprising to death but Palutena and Dark Pit never would have made it in if Sakurai wasn't the director of these games. Also Ice Climbers are only present because Sakurai was the only man on earth nostalgic for them. They're the only classic era inclusions that no one would really consider to be classic stars.

Roy was an easy clone character but he represents just about the worst example of Smashfags only caring about characters for what they mean to Smash rather than their actual games. Being a clone makes him less egregious but he officially became one of the worst additions ever when he was turned into paid DLC despite being 70% Marth. Corrin was definitely an undeserving character, it's been discussed to death and everyone knows it. I'm glad Ike is here since his games are good but they also sold poorly and nearly killed the franchise, so it could be argued he's less deserving than K. Rool, the villain of a major franchise.

K. Rool's kind of interesting as a "Should've-been" rather than a "Has-been"

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>Remove the one who's been in more games and plays more differently from regular Link
Young Link was taken out over him for a reason

I find it amazing that people still bring up "representation" or "deserving" as if those are things that applies to Smash Bros at all.
Nintendo and Sakurai don't care about whether characters "deserve it" or whether they "represent franchises" when picking the roster, they care about what would grab interest and generate sales. And yes, this does apply to oddballs like Piranha Plant, because they're still living in your head rent-free.

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>Single Handedly saved the gaming industry
Eh I think his spot is deserved

Aonuma's bias towards toon games.

Palutena is my main, and personally I think she's really fun right now. I'd rather not see her removed.

Dark Pit can go though.

Dark Pit doesn’t matter he’s a clone

Palutena definitely deserves it if we can have Peach and Zelda

We have strayed from discussions of the possibilities of cool characters and into the deep dark shitposting of WHY MY CHARACTER IS IN AND YOURS ISNT

I blame the fucking insiders who can’t keep their mouth shut

He doesn't even make Smash games. Sakurai just exercised common sense and upgraded to the modern design for a child Link. Going back to a Link we already know will never show up in a Zelda game again is retarded

Piranha Plant

corrin and joker

maybe one of the fire emblem awakening clones

and maybe incineroar

>An FE character is more deserving than any Mario character, especially Bowser Jr.
A fucking Buzzy Beetle is more deserving than any other shitty FE rep.

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Only in America

Fuck off waifufags, she is a shitty NPC character only added because of bias, she does absolutely not belong in there. Nobody even cared about her before Uprising, that's how shit she is

The Zero Suit was relevant at the time and had been introduced and then used in multiple recent games. Zero Mission, Prime 2, 3 and Hunters all had the Zero Suit in just the past four years at the time. It's pretty reasonable that it was in their minds and they felt it was necessary to represent it in some way, especially when it had its own set of mechanics in its introductory game, Zero Mission.

They also probably wanted another Metroid rep too, but the problem there is that other than Samus and Ridley, there really isn't a good choice for that. No one else is relevant. Even Dark Samus, as happy as I am she got in, is a stretch because she's not even really a "character", she's a monster with minimal to no personality. There's no one besides Samus and Ridley in Metroid that actually matters in the same way. And while it's a meme to say Ridley was too big, he genuinely was too big and I think part of why we finally got him was because they could only represent him well with the added visual fidelity of HD (Ultimate is technically the first HD-only game since 3DS/Wii U had roster parity).

>She got in over medusa
ALL I WANT IS SNAKE UGLY GODDESS GF ALREADY

ZSS only exists to get the japs interested in metroid the only way they know which is sexy white women

Just gonna leave this here because it’s true

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>Get rid of ZSS
>Make Dark Samus an unique fighter

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Palutena is a popular character. No amount of your retarded "muh sakurai bias motherfucker" bullshit.

>Nobody even cared about her before Uprising
No fucking shit you dumbass. Of course people started caring more about her in the game that made her more relevant. You autistic fucking moron. Your perception of whatever is or isn't genuine care about a character doesn't matter at all.

This, Literally should have never been in Smash, nobody fucking wanted Shill Dog in.

Imagine all the good characters we could have had instead of Shill Dog, Banjo, Karate Joe, Dante, Isaac, Travis Touchdown, Wonder Red, Bomberman, even Rayman is better than this shit.

What a waste of space, Animal Crossing would be much better without this worthless character.

Why was there so much love for Kid Icarus in Brawl? It's one thing to make a joke character (Ice Climbers, Duck Hunt, Pirahna Plant), but it's another thing to dedicate the opening levels of your singleplayer mode to the character.

If Palutena is part of the problem, Dark Samus would be too.

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Furfags should yiff in hell for letting this shit slide. All animal crossing fags do is bitch at nintendy for a new animal crossing on switch.

Kill yourself delusional zoomer, nobody cared about your shitty character before Smash and shitty nu-KI.

Imagine defending such a terrible character because she's your waifu. Fucking incel, take a shower.

It is vital to note that these are the differences in Smash 4
In Ultimate the three differences are their side B, their arrows, and their final smashes
EVERYTHING else is the same, gameplay-wise

Actually, I played FE Because of Roy.

>shitty nu-KI
>Incel
>shower
Shit bait

Also I know it's THE Nintendo franchise but Rosalina is kind of odd when I think about it. She was added to the project plan in 2012. By that point I think her only appearances were a major supporting role in Galaxy, a heavily reduced role in Galaxy 2 due to Miyamoto butthurt, and Mario Kart Wii only if you had a Galaxy save. Nothing about her appearances gave much inspiration for the puppeteer gameplay mechanic she'd have in Smash Bros.

One last thing that's often glossed over is Earthbound. I don't think any of those games sold over 500k. Still what's "deserving" isn't strictly related to sales. I think that franchise stands out as pretty auteur-driven compared to Nintendo's other stuff and is worth representing. I doubt it would have gotten anything without the HAL Labs connection though.

I'm not arguing anyone should be removed.

Peach and Zelda are characters from two of their biggest franchises who appear in every game, which would have been like 20+ and 10 or so respectively by the time of their inclusion. Uprising was a modest success but it was barely half of Awakening's sales and didn't have that franchise's history behind it. I'm a big time Palutenafag but if the director was anyone other than Sakurai she never would have made it in.

Ice Climber in Melee had an Adventure Mode stage with the same enemies and the only character with a Break the targets that is a direct callback to their origin game

Because it's a new character and jesus Subspace was bad about giving you new characters to try
>takes like ten years to even get your first unlockable character
>it's goddamn Ness

Literally the same thing

The 3 mii fighters. Cut 2 of them and allow a single "mii fighter" with access to all the custom attacks.

> No argument

Animal Crossing is a big franchise and she's been it's mascot for nearly a decade. As far as I'm concerned, she was one of the four characters they needed to form a complete picture of Nintendo alongside Ridley, K. Rool, and Simon.

>Comparing waifu emblem to comfy emblem
Fag.

>MUH COMFY

>He thinks there are good FE games

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Imagine being so upset about Palutena getting into Smash that you repeat the same arguments in every single thread.
>N-NOBODY CARED ABOUT HER BEFORE UPRISING
I don't even see how this is supposed to be an argument against her. Uprising is the game her moveset is entirely based off of.
I also don't get why people screech about Sakurai bias, though.

I think Rosalina mainly got in because of the massive critical and commercial success of the Mario Galaxy games. They were both two of the highest reviewed games of the seventh console generation and are still considered to be two of the best games Nintendo have ever made. I think commemorating it with a full on playable character in Smash made sense, and Rosalina & Luma worked well as a mascot/rep for those games.

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Cope, you lost the argument retard

Stop hiding and take your defeat like a man you spineless Coward

You don't even unlock him, it's completely a "new character to try."
Ice Climber's stage was as big a stage as Captain Falcon's; a modification of their gameplay stage with added enemies (how low is the chance of enemies spawning out of crates?). The Target Test-throwback was still pretty kino though.

The only character undeserving of being in smash.

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Fuck you. If Waluigi is still an assist trophy (mind you Waluigi has been around for almost 20 years) and bomberman (a popular vidya character with a long running, successful, and influential franchise who’s been around since the 80s) is an assist trophy, then a character who is only a couple years old and only loved by fans because of porn deserves to be an assist trophy as well. There is literally no argument you could put against this because it is straight up fact. I would be less mad about her inclusion if she was just an echo, but SHE IS NOT WORTHY OF, NOR DOES SHE DESERVE HER OWN CHARACTER SLOT. Now please kill yourself for defending her.

It's really baffling to me that people would say Corrin is undeserving, when from the same series, which is going on 16 games, you have three characters from the same game right next door. The character is fun as fuck lads, it's time to let it go.

What the fuck are you talking about user? Stop thinking everyone who doesn't agree with you is the same person, and stop using dumb fucking buzzwords in the place of arguments.

Would it have been better as part of Mario's Tornado, as in propelling him upwards as Mario does the tornado?

>muh character slots
Isabelle is the mascot of Animal Crossing.
Bomberman is a third party character from a company that got two new third party reps in this game.
Waluigi is a spinoff filler character.

That's a great point, and I'm honestly glad both her and Bowser Jr. are in. I know Mario has a ton of reps but it's nice to see it branch out beyond the core cast everyone's grandma is familiar with.

>Spams water shot
>Fun
Lemme guess you spam PK fire too.

for all the shit you bring up about ashley it's almost suspicious, considering she's just an assist trophy and the topic was mainly focused on characters already in smash, as if you secretly like ashley

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So it's no coincedence that you wrote the exact same shit as Kill yourself zoomy kid

That's incredibly risky and you're a shitter if you get hit by that. Hell if you have any projectiles at all even the weakest ones cancel it out.

>It's no coincidence that you made the same arguments as someone who made good arguments
>As opposed to COPE AND SEETHE INCEL XD

> 2012 is almost a decade ago
> 2000 is almost 20 years ago
Where did the time go?
Also fuck you for defending Isabelle

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Ya huh. Just admit you only like corrin cause you're a foot fag.

Waluigi would be a funny character but he's quite literally roster filler. Bomberman comes with a lot of fond memories but he's basically a shovelware character for most of his career. Unlike Sonic, another character past his prime, Bomberman's fall from grace doesn't come with a widely recognized legacy nor enduring franchise popularity.

Zoomers like you deserve death

>fuck you for defending Isabelle
Isabelle is a character who was added because she's popular, relevant, and the face of a fucking franchise. If you want to talk about "deserving" she does. I haven't even ever played New Leaf but I know this.

I play mCorrin almost exclusively because I genuinely like the character and he does a better job of translating it to smash.

Corrin
Jigglypuff
Greninja
Dark Pit
Lucina
Rosalina
Bowser Jr.
Sheik
Chrom
Pichu
Palutena

Well, that was easy

What if I don't consider Palutena part of the problem?

palutena was actually heavily requested before smash 4 to the point she was considered a surefire pick that even fake leaks picked up on. Same thing with little mac.

It's very easy to make shitty lists.

K.Rool should have been in since Melee

the carnivore plant

Where is Dillon and Qbby then?

Shit dog deserves nothing and you know it

No.

Fuck off zoomer, stop spreading lies, nobody wanted this shitty literal who NPC in

Imagine defending this character so badly because you fap to her. Fucking pathethic.

Not nearly as popular as fucking Animal Crossing, you dumbass.

Metroid having a roster of just Samus, Ridley, and Dark Samus, all with unique movesets, would be the perfect representation for the series.

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You genuinely like a character stuck in limbo for either not being an actual character or not being avatar enough. Corrin is a horrendously bad character in a game full of bad character. I can't imagine you actually like them outside having some sort of fetish for their character design.

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Seething retard

Imagine defending this character so badly because you fpa to her. Fucking pathethic

Cute Mothra.

Because you have made yourself recognizable beyond anonimity from this day forwards you are my poopy-bitch.

Why does Palutena make you so mad, user?

ZOOM ZOOMY Uprising kiddo

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Christ all-mighty you fags are embarrassing.

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Unironically, Daisy deserved to be in more than her.

Perfect. Thank you, Mothra

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25 would officially make me a boomer. Also, my argument is pretty rock solid. I'd never pick Bomberman if I had time for only five full characters and one semi-clone. Especially if Simon was on the menu. I'd probably pick Bomberman over Incineroar but that's not saying much.

>he wasn't here pre-smash4
calling me a zoomer won't hide you're a newfag

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Why would I be seething? I'm not mad about any character that's in Smash.

>not corrin, incineroar or Isabelle
Ok, user. Sure.

If I had to guess it was probably because Sakurai already had plans to make Uprising and wanted to get a head start on the whole brand recognition thing.

So what's the argument against characters like Geno again?

I still don't get why people seethe over Isabelle.
Just because she wasn't requested often by Smash fans doesn't mean she isn't an extremely popular character who's the mascot of an extremely popular series.

t. zoomers

Just because you're in a leak doesn't mean you are "heavily requested" retard. Characters like Mach Rider and Sable Prince were also in leaks during this period, where they heavily requested too?`

Think before you speak retarded you fake fan waifufagging Gen Z

They aren't going to do that because some people are attached to the current version of Young Link, I don't get why people are so confused by this they are trying to avoid the League of Legends crap where they delete your favorite character and replace them with somebody else.

Sqeenix property apparently.

That's a fitting place to be. Aside from customization, there's no point where Corrin is meant to be a blatant self insert and the character in general becomes a lot worse when you think about it that way because it's a lot different from a typical video game protagonist. The circumstances were definitely a perfect storm of absolutely fucking horrendous luck, but all they are is circumstances.

Daisy

Not convinced, sounds to rational. Sauce?

Nah, Shitrising had nothing to do with Brawl, it was going to be a Star Fox game at first, before Hackurai decided to ruin Kid Icarus

>Characters like Mach Rider and Sable Prince were also in leaks during this period
I guess you couldn't find any examples from smash4 because you weren't old enough to post here at that time huh

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I'm quite happy with the roster, tbqh

>more buzzwords

I don't see how this is a point for your corner or justification for Corrin but whateves...

did it ruin kid icarus?
from what i've heard the NES kid icarus is very close to being a kusoge (like atlantis no lazo)

Now I'm mad.

OBSESSED!

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Only based user in this thread.

>mascot
>gets in over Tom Nook or K.K. Slider
Imagine being such a furfag you think Isabelle is DESERVING.

It's okay to not understand. I never expected you to in the first place.

KK Slider and Tom Nook are not the mascots anymore, Isabelle is.

>game origin is a 10 minute stealth section
Wait, so that's the only appearance of ZSS before her Smash debut? Honest question; I don't know jack shit about the Metroid series. I was wondering why people were mad about ZSS.

Well, then you'd have to remind yourself that Dark Samus is a villain from an american trilogy. And they fucking hate everything we do. No matter how good it is.

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That last remark just sent me seething. Congrats.

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damn and here I thought I could re-name the file so that my secret identity wouldn't be found out but you saw through the ruse, bravo! I'm actually the only person who can post that image, if anyone else saves it to their pc their pc explodes.

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Also Metroid Prime 2 and Hunters cutscenes for the best endings. She just stands there though, doesn't do anything.

I wouldn't consider either character a problem but what connection are you seeing exactly?

As much as I prefer Dark Samus aesthetically, and think her floating and visuals are cooler, is there ANY gameplay difference between her and vanilla Samus?

[any fire emblem character]

But only the first Prime game was good and she wasn't in that one.

My point was, if people weren't happy with characters like Palutena, Isabelle, K. Rool and Corrin they would definitely have a problem with Dark Samus too.

>But only the first Prime game was good
Fuck off. 2 was great
>and she wasn't in that one.
user, she was. We just called her Metroid Prime there

Not quite. Dark Samus really isn't notable enough to merit much of a response from anyone, aside from groaning over another complete clone

Any mechanical difference is a result of the aesthetic differences. For example, Dark Samus jumps a hair lower than Samus and is more vulnerable in the air due to her animation, and Dark Samus' up smash starts at a lower angle making it slightly less useless.

The echo shit is bizarre because three of them are basically costumes while the other four have notable changes, with Ken being almost on par with Dr. Mario in terms of differences.

>Ammo for beams
God NO. BAD. STOP.

Pokemon Trainer and Mewtwo are based tho

Krystal.

Why? Dark Samus was an ezpz clone who got voted in. The only characters you could argue would be better choices would also have to be clones on par with her similarities.

What exactly is the through line with that list of characters that makes Dark Samus fit in with them?

What exactly is the through line with any of them really?
>Got in through Sakurai's personal tastes and being well liked by fans of the recent game
>Got in through being a mascot for a big franchise
>Got in through fan votes
>Got in through Nintendo shilling with Sakurai's approval
What layer is that user operating on?

I'm saying IF she was a completely unique character, people would bitch about her
Just read the rest of the thread, man. People would call her irrelevent or undeserving

chrom

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neck yourself, centrist

I feel like the reasons people bitch on a character-to-character basis are pretty nuanced though so I don't see how taking it as an all or nothing thing makes sense. Bitching about K. Rool, bitching about Isabelle, and bitching about Corrin are all different things. Someone isn't necessarily a hypocrite for liking one but disliking the other.

the only thing that is garbage about Isabelle is her moveset. she deserved better

Feels solid to me. The Lloyd Mine and Fishing Rod are great. Just sucks that her mine is highly-visible, destroyable, and weaker than Snake's bullshit invincible C4

based
fuck reddit dog niggers and their tryhard smug ass looking retardation

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All the characters I hate and all the characters you like should be removed from Smash, especially all the characters you like. I hate seeing people have fun with characters I hate, nothing triggers me harder.

>you have to be on my side or my enemies' side!

This thread in a nutshell

>le epic fart man fag thinks he has the right to call anything reddit
lmao

Villager and Isabelle seriously need to have some of their moves swapped around.

Lucina
Corrin
ZSS
Incineroar

All Smash Bros threads in a nutshell

cope

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Corrin
Chrom
Lucina
Robin
Joker
Zelda in Princess form
Palutena
Dark Pit
Piranha Plant
Bowser Jr.
Incineroar
Lucario
Dr. Mario
Mr. Game&Watch
Dark Samus
Lucas
Daisy
Ice Climbers
Pichu
Falco
Toon Link
King Dedede
Metaknight
Rosalina and Luma
Richter
Isabelle
Wolf

Note: This is not characters I like or dislike, as characters like Incineroar, G&W, Pirahna Plant, and others are some of my favourite characters to play and play against.

>Zelda
>Lucario
>Daisy
>Toon Link
>Dedede
>Meta Knight
You are either fucking delusional or knows jack shit about Video game history

lol

?

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That's all you need. Add maybe Peach and one or two more Pokemon, but the rest is not really important.

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Isabelle over Villager is bizarre but understandable.
Peach definitely needs to be in

>Zelda
>Lucario
>Daisy
>Toon Link
>Dedede
>Meta Knight
You are either fucking delusional or knows jack shit about Video game history

Fire emblem doesnt deserve three characters

>cutting the only interesting FE swordie over Roy
>Dedede
>Meta Knight
>Zelda

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Yea Forums-tier """"""""""""argument""""""""""" right there

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Agreed

Swap Lucario out for Pokémon Trainer

Add Marth and Roy onto this and it's near perfect. They were only put on the roster for promotion as literally who's.

>I'll just repeat exactly what he said. That'll show him

The exact same text works as a counter argument on the same level of argumentation. Pretty convenient. Offer no argumentative content, get the same in return.

strawpoll.me/18012370

Incineroar

>The exact same text works as a counter argument
If you're a complete retard, maybe

This, although replace Mario with Dr. Mario

based
cringe

>All these lists
Well shit, Pokemon really has gone down hill since Gen 3

Replace Palutena with ZSS, and I agree. Also, add Meta Knight there as well.

COPE HARDER
K. ROOL AND RIDLEY ARE IN AND YOUR MOST WANTED ISN’T

>all these papagenos cucks voting banjo
pathetic, people should do something more constructive with their lives than sucking youtuber cock

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Cringe
Based

this was very clever

Literally any echo fighter
Duck Hunt
Corrin
Toon link

>wahhhh, why you people are different
fuck off

go suck Sakurai's dick somewhere else, faggots

Mimikyu would have been best by a long shot. Very popular, adaptable unlike most mons due to its unknowable properties under the robe, its floppy head would be very entertaining animation-wise, already has established ultimate attack, fits in despite having Pikachu and Pichu already in the same way that it fit into Pokemon far more than any other Pikachu clone ever did, has its own theme music, and again is very popular.

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Joker, Cloud, and maybe snake

>Zelda in Princess form
>King Dedede
>Meta Knight
>Mr. Game&Watch
>Robin
>Bowser Jr.
the ABSOLUTE state

>fire emblem still overrepresented
fuck off. remove Ike for Peach. also add Pokémon Trainer

It should have been Primarina

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They all deserve to be in besides the third party characters.

These.

Based.

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First of all, Echo Fighters are fine. They take no development time and are dignified skins. Characters like this are a common trope in fighting games. Knowing that:
>Jigglypuff
>Pichu
>Roy (and Chrom as a result)
>Sheik
>Dr. Mario
>Zero Suit Samus
>Ike
>Rosalina
>Greninja
>Incineroar
>Piranha Plant
Are all undeserving, at least that's how I see it. I won't bother mentioning any third party characters.

why'd you put incineroar in this pic

Greninja is more deserving than at least half the cast.

>Wolf
No, sweetie. That may have been the case before Brawl, but he's pretty much heavily tied to Smash as it's own franchise at this point.

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>Piranha Plant
No thanks.

You have to consider that Dark Samus being playable is already a huge fucking miracle, even if she's just an echo fighter.

She's only been in like two games and the last one she was in was back in 2007, and she has officially no future ahead of her as Tanabe already stated that her story and the phazon are over and done with, and that Prime 4 would deal with new threats like Sylux. She really isn't that far removed from characters like Isaac or Krystal and thus she would of retained her assist trophy role if she couldn't conviently work as a last minute echo fighter with minimal development time.

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I am correct.

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Why do online shitters always think spamming Samus's kit will net them a win? Her projectiles are not nearly good enough to win with them alone. t. Samus main

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Oops ignore the blue text. Just testing what was visible.

Jigglypuff
Roy (promotion pick)
Falco (controversial pick, but what separates him from Slippy or Peppy? Wolf alone is fine as a Fox rival)
Dr. Mario (would be a costume if he were added today)
Corrin (promotion pick)

Choices people "think" are undeserving
>New pokemon (Lucario, Greninja, Incineroar)
They're all popular, but more importantly they bring fun movesets and personality (except Lucario)
>Echos like Dark Pit or Lucina
literally so low effort that it doesn't matter (same could be said of Dr. Mario of course, but Dr. Mario is literally Mario)
>Other Links
they're fine, just need more differences
>Pichu
If Mario and Link can get clones, I fail to see why Pikachu shouldn't
>Any third party they don't like (Snake, Cloud, Bayonetta, Joker, any third party that's not a cartoon mascot basically)
They all bring unique and fun playstyles, visual flare, music, and diversity to the roster. All are fairly iconic too even if people like to shit on Bayo or Joker. Probably just literally mad their favorite isn't in. (Looking at you Banjobabies)

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Seriously. Why is she in.

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But Ty, Gex, Glover and Earthworm Jim WERE actually good games.

Bandana Dee fags were worse.

True Cloud sucks but if they ever add Sephiroth it'll be worth it.

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>(Looking at you Banjobabies)
Obsessed.

>Also Ice Climbers are only present because Sakurai was the only man on earth nostalgic for them. They're the only classic era inclusions that no one would really consider to be classic stars.
Smash Bros was intended by Hal to both be a series to give Nintendo's biggest stars AND their obscure, forgotten characters a time to shine starting with Melee. The only reason trophies existed is because they wanted to make high quality models of characters that may never appear in other games again. Descriptions accompany everything and everything is clearly labeled by series so anything could work as an introduction just as well as fanservice. Takamaru, Mach Rider, Ayumi Tachibana, Balloon Fighter, Urban Champion, Bubbles, and Excitebike were also considered characters, but of course Hal didn't have the resources to put in that many characters. Then when Smash went away from Hal, this preservationist and historian side of Smash significantly diminished along with its depth of gameplay.

Just make it or her bikinis a victory animation for Samus then, like in the classic games.

Imagine being as pathetic as rosterfags. Imagine not wanting a character in Smash and loathing said character because an autistic vocal minority made you seethe too hard.

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I don't like her in AC but I don't mind her in Smash at all. Only thing I've wanted Nook since Melee and the series representation seems out of balance without him. Add him too and the series feels complete for Smash.

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K rool is an excellent choice, requested by fans for years
Besides, only three smash characters that really don’t deserve their spot
isabelle, piranha plant, and Joker

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Waluigi would need to be a completely unique fighter thanks to his personality and proportions. Bomberman would need to be a completelt unique fighter since he's an icon. Isabelle can be a clone.

Nah, kidding, there’s more.
>Jigglypuff maybe
>Daisy
>Shiek
>Pichu
>Doctor Mario
>Lucina
>Chrom
>Dark Pit
>Lucario
>Zero Suit Samus
>Palutena
>Robin maybe
>Shulk, how the fuck did this guy get in
>I wanna say Ken but he’s too based

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Incineroar
Joker
Piranha plant
Cloud
Corrin
Lucina
Roy
Dark pit
Wii fit trainer
Chrom
You cant prove me wrong

Nah. Cloud was by far a better option than all of those

I honestly consider them even. Happy for you krool bros

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fixed it

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Corrin is just a stupid promo for an incestuous fetish game disguised as an RPG. Awakening was great though.

Undeserving as DLC, but necessary for Ultimate. Hey, I'm personally happy that "Everyone is Here"

Also, suck a cock. King K Rool is DK's main villain, he's just as deserving as Bowser

Adeleine seems like a weird omission since Kirby 64 is one of the most popular games in the Kirby series yet it doesn't have even one spirit, and after a long hiatus, Adeleine herself was just brought back to the Kirby series last year to much fanfare and fan hype.
Sylux seems like a weird omission since he's supposedly going to be important in Prime 4, but maybe they'll do a Prime 4 update promotion for that.
Doshin and Mike Jones are sad omissions too but I can can believe that they were just forgotten.

The mouse from End Game

Wii Fit Trainer alone disproves your list.

What kind of reaction would there be if Yooka-Laylee got in over Banjo-Kazooie?

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>least deserving character is the one with the most unique moveset among FE reps
boils me it does

I'd lose my fucking mind in anger and, albeit, confusion

That game is pure unity dogshit. Hell, I'd rather have Goku and no Banjo than Yooka

nigga. c'mon i main sheik. Why can't we have a cool ninja?

Marth has the most unique. Corrin is flashy but ultimately it's all done before. Also unique doesn't equal good, Corrin is a boring chore of a character.

All of these

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Eevee is only liked by gamer girls and cute fighters in Smash bros is outright a terrible idea, characters like Isabelle or Pichu shouldn't even be in the game. Also we don't need even more degenerate furshit of Eevee
Mimikyu is the only good one there, although i'd only like Mimikyu in if it were to replace Pichu

whats wrong with sheik, dammit?

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Cringe

She's a cool character ngl, but by far one of the most irrelevent ones. She never should've made it into Melee in the first place.

>Game is better with less characters

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palutena
isabelle
half the fire emblem characters
stupid fapbait zero suit samus
"dark" anything.

Add Joker and Piranha plant to that list too.

>meta knight
kuck rools deserve the firing squad

what do you mean irrelevant? Sheik was top tier!

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and they should be replaced by these

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>

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>another pokemon instead of an actual ninja

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Cute Grass type greninja

Meta Knight could have been a really cool and important rival character but Hal decided to strip away everything that made him mysterious, cool, and intimidating instead. Effectively making him another Coo, just "Kirby's calm friend."

irrelevant to the videogame industry as a whole, not to the fucking smash bros meta. how dense can you be?

so what your saying is we need more iconic characters?

>has more depth in gameplay
>has more game modes
>has challenges tailored for each character
It would be better yeah.

seething

please explain how greninja is not a ninja

He didn't choose to be a ninja, he's just a hideous abomination that happens to resemble one.

absolutely. This is what smash bros was supposed to be.

Are people really arguing Palutena isn't in mostly due to being a Sakurai character?

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Takamaru, Excitebiker, or Ayumi should've gotten in over Ice Climbers. Ice Climber the game itself is fucking terrible.

sure acts a lot like a ninja, are you sure greninja is not a ninja?

guess i could agree. Sheik is irrelevant and should't be in smash.

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Incineroar.

Go look up the franchise's name in Japanese.

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No. We're saying that she deserves to be in. Wether literal faggots arre offended by her presence or not

It's pretty fun. I've had countless hours playing it with family. Ice Climbers in Smash also have a lot of charm and they're fun to play as or against. I wish there was an Ice Climber 2.

if it looks like a duck and acts like a duck, it's probably a duck

Yeah, it's a mindless monster

sheik is more ninja
youtu.be/-wZr9aphD7w

Greninja doesn't look like a Ninja, it looks like a weird creature from a fetish cartoon. Now Ryu Hayabusa or Joe Musashi, they look like ninjas.

An Ice Climber 2 I actually wouldn't mind if only because I don't think the concept is flawed. I just really hate the jump arc and momentum in it.

I want a Mysterious Murasame Castle 2 more though. Action oriented Zelda with light bullet hell elements was a lot of fun.

Then you should play the Namco Valkyrie game if you haven't.

Ninja Gaiden isn't even the best ninja-centric game.

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Will never happen but would be ideal.
DS is the perfect representation of the Prime trilogy and Samus and Ridley are mandatory reps.
Those three are all Metroid needs. Still think Sylux might be fun once Prime 4 comes out.

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I didn't say it is, but it's a damn good one.

Jack Frost.

Banjo has a special place in my heart, but Steve would unironically be a more interesting character mechanics-wise.

This. They probably only dislike her because they get bodied by her online

Point I'm getting at is, Strider 2 is one of Capcom's best games and Greninja is literally just Pokemon Strider down to the flowing scarf and everything. He even has Strider's MvC super (Ragnarok)

>we want Adeleine since she'd be so unique and she represents these black sheep games!
>we want Magolor since he represents the modern Kirby games and he'd be refreshing to play!
>we want Waddle Dee since he's cute and funny and he completes the recent marketing quartet!
Well guess what? You're getting a new Kirby character in the next Smash. You're getting Kawasaki. Maybe Marx too if you're lucky. Yep. More Super Star. Can't beat the Super Star. Kirby's series in Smash is Kirby Super Star. Everything else directed by Sakurai comes second and everything after that comes last.

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Is there anyone more cucked than Daisy mains?
>100% the same as Peach, gameplay-wise
>the only echo that's 100% the same
>oh no wait, turnips have slightly different knockback scaling, which allow for slightly different combos
>the difference gets patched out in 3.0.0

I don't fucking care.
If it's Dee, Adeline, Marx, if it's fucking Morpho Knight I don't care I'll welcome it with open arms. I just want a new Kirby character god damn it.

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I still can't believe this qt got in.

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You better replace all those good characters with something good nigger

Reminder that this boomer is in Smash and your character isn't.

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This is such a retarded attitude to have for wanting a character.

>None of them are iconic enough for me to choose just one but trust me bro I want one

Leave it to me!

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it's the same with people who want Zelda reps. They don't care who it is, they just want more.
Look at the DKCfags, they didn't say they wanted "a DK character," they wanted K. Rool.

The thing about Kirby is that almost any of its characters would work, the games have huge and hugely varied cast that's for the most part on equal footing. All of them have something unique to offer and Kirby fans love all of them for it. Most people specifically want one over the other, be it Adeleine, Marx, Daroach, or Bandana Dee, but any and all of them would be good fighters if they're implemented properly.

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I wanted K. Rool, or Dixie, ideally both. Cranky also would have worked. K. Rool was just the highest priority.

I know and they're retarded too.

Just Skull Kid and Tingle.

Not even a DKFag but I wanted him mostly because he was one the only main antagonists missing from the game (along with Ridley)

Now we just need Mike Tyson

Can you blame Zeldafags, really? Zelda is the 3rd biggest Nintendo franchise and all they have are the essentials, two clones and Sheik, while Mario and Pokémon have a huge variety of unique characters.

People just want Waddle Dee and Adeleine to complete the Kirby 64 quartet and Brawl in the Family quintent. Marxfags also exist but they're a little funny in the head. Marx works best as a boss and we don't need another fighter that's mostly Super Star based since the main three and most of the stages already do that.

And one of the new Fire Emblem characters that is already a clone.
Trust me, I've been playing since 64 came out.

someday

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I genuinely want Mike Tyson.
Porky, Samurai Goroh, Tom Nook, Dr. Robotnik, and Sephiroth would be rad too.

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Geno

He's officially a legend though.

Of all the newcomers, K Rool is the most fun to play.

A less deserving character would probably be Ridley; he worked better as a boss.

Name 3 unique Zelda characters that aren’t in Smash. Tingle and Midna aren’t unique btw

Skull Kid, Midna, and Tingle.

>Tingle and Midna aren’t unique btw
Just because you said it doesn't make it true. They are

>Tingle and Midna aren’t unique

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Explain how Midna isn't unique

There's nothing wrong with wanting a rep for a franchise, but if nobody can agree on which one should be added then maybe they don't need any more.
As for Mario, it's a very different series. I'd be very down with Zelda taking an approach similar to what Mario did with the plant though.

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>Implying it wouldn't be a dodongo

Because I love the franchise and think there's tons of cool, unique characters who would be fun as fuck to play as. Sorry I don't shitfling for one character over another.

It's almost like Zelda has only three characters that are reoccuring/important enough to be playable in Smash or something.

Play melee. Depth can be added with simple changes with wide effects. Modes and challenges are shit anyways. "hit the sandbag with a baseball bat"....riveting

Don’t be lazy now.

I don't give a shit about "important enough" and nor does Sakurai seeing his choices for Fire Emblem, Pokémon and multiple other characters

You forgot the important part where dark pit has a better victory theme

I've sunk doubtless hours in Melee back when I only had a handful of games. Sandbag challenge is fun with other people, trying to beat each others scores. And if you don't have competitive friends to play with then Smash would suck. But at least back then there were also solo challenges like Break the Targets with maps designed to challenge each individual character's abilities.

He added Rosalina and Bowser Jr before Toad. Also Waddle Dee still wasn't added. Being prominent in the home series doesn't matter if you're boring. Better to be unique and interesting.

Those Fire Emblem characters are at least the main characters of their respective games. That alone puts them far ahead of most of Zelda's cast.

Also Pokemon is an entirely different can of worms, it's one of the biggest vidya franchises ever with a constantly growing cast of Pokemon that can be utilized in Smash

Epona, Skull Kid and Impa, Tingle, Midna.
>dur you can't use Tingle cuz I say so.
Tingle has his own franchise like Wario.

>but they haven't appeared in a recent game
Didn't stop K.Rool, Ice Climbers, or Pit.
Roy's and Corrin's game didn't even come out yet.
>A fucking horse
has more appearance and time than many new franchises and newcomers and is from three critically rated Zelda games. Duck Hunt says hi.

>but they have different appearnces and are not the same in every game.

So is Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Toon Link and Sheik. Eat shit.

Tingle would be perfect if he got in as a Tingle character rather than a Zelda character. Like how Yoshi is a Yoshi character in Smash. Tingle's DS design is his best one so that's the best to work with and he has a lot more move potential with those games. His series icon could be a rupee or his head.

meant for shit
fuck this shitty site and its CAPTCHA

Problem is, Tingle's games were never released in the US and there hasn't been a new game since like 2009

Release them bundled together on Switch's eshop after he gets revealed.

>Mario

Stopped reading there.

>Epona
you can't be serious
>Skull Kid
my favorite of the bunch for design alone but he suffers majorly from Johnny one game syndrome
>Impa
What's the fucking point when we've got Sheik (though in a perfect world she'd just replace Sheik)
>Tingle
The most deserving choice but wildly unpopular outside of Japan, has the issue K. Rool faced of not showing up without the popularity to overcome it.
>Midna
Even worse one game syndrome than Skullkid, basically just a waifupick.

>K. Rool
most common reoccurring DKC antagonist, appeared in a plethora of games even if he hadn't shown up in any recently. Even then he only missed two games, Returns and TF. Wildly popular in spite of his absence.
>Ice Climbers
Sakurai outright stated that they were chosen for the sake of being a wacky retro pick.
>Pit
Believe it or not he was highly requested. I don't get it either, didn't care for the original KI (or the 3Ds one).

If you can get the Zeldafags united behind a character, then they've got a shot. Again, look at Donkey Kong. K. Rool absolutely would not have made it in if you had DKfags splitting up into Funky camps or Cranky camps or whatever. And there's a high chance there wouldn't have been a DK rep at all if nobody cared enough to root for a specific one.

Geno

NINTENDO, HIRE THIS MAN
HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHO SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T BE IN SMASH ULTIMATE

if you're really baffled, look at peach and daisy. their only difference is in their animations, which inconsequentially gives them differing hurtboxes

>he suffers majorly from Johnny one game syndrome
What does that even mean? The brunt of most characters got in due to one specific game.

Yeah, but most of them were either the main protagonists of their game or a clone character that required minimal effort

The only non-clone, one-off secondary character that's playable in Smash is Sheik...and she just got in as an extension of Zelda.

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>Again, look at Donkey Kong. K. Rool absolutely would not have made it in if you had DKfags splitting up into Funky camps or Cranky camps or whatever.
That's exactly what happened though. Also Dixie had about as much support as K. Rool. Sakurai simply picks who he likes, it isn't all a popularity contest.

And Rosalina, who was just in SMG at the time of the project plan.

She was in Galaxy 2 and a bunch of other spinoffs by then too user

any of the FE clones.

She wasn't in Galaxy 2 directly and if spinoffs counted Waluigi would be playable.

So what if i'm kissing myself?

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why not Epona?
She has been in several Zelda games
One game syndrome
please refer to Dark Pit
>Midna
>waifupick
that's kinda disingenuous and it seems like to ad-homing your argument seeing how Daisy and Rosalina is in the game. Unless we are counting spinoffs and mobileshit, Daisy has only been in one Mario game. At least Wii Fit Trainer bought home the bacon.

>She wasn't in Galaxy 2 directly
She's literally right fucking there

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It's not really her retard play the game.

I don't know why we're in the timeline where Ashley is the most requested Wario character instead of Jimmy

I'm looking through the roster, here's what I came back with
>Ness & Lucas
Sakurai's friends with the dev
>Ice Climbers
Already explained
>Shiek
grandfathered in, and to be fair OOT was one of the most influential and popular Zelda games along with the first.
>Ganondorf (at the time)
people wanted Ganon and he was a very easy to make Falcon clone.
>Roy, Ike, & Corrin
Marketing choices before or shortly after their games came out, Roy was also an easy clone.
>Diet Pit
easy clone, Sakurai bias
>Rob
saved vidya
>WFT
The first game helped put the wii on the map and alone sold more than many franchises
>Rosaluma
your guess is as good as mine
>Shulk
Face of a new franchise, and a franchise that Sakurai liked.
>Duck Hunt
More iconic than half the roster.
>Isabelle
retardedly popular
Daisy is an easy clone and was somewhat requested. Rosa I don't know. Midna is still a waifupick who only did anything in one game.
Again, you can't be serious about Epona. Rambi's been in a bunch of DK games but he's not getting in either.
>Also Dixie had about as much support as K. Rool.
This is a blatant lie.

>Most used on VGC
Yeah, nah, owlcuck.

Seethe harder Waluigifags

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So you agree. It doesn't matter if a character is in one game.

>Sonic
>Bayonetta
>Ryu/Ken
>Joker
These characters just don't fit Smash Bros tonally, it maybe worked once with Snake, but these characters just feel either too "serious" or "tryhard" to fit into the game. That's not to say I even dislike them, just that they don't feel like they belong in the game. Similarly, 90% of sword users could go, they all occupy the same "generic anime character with a sword" niche, with Roy only really standing out and Marth being cabable of standing in for the rest that could be removed.

I await people being upset with me.

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you just disingenuous and a dishonest person no better than the ones that makes "rules" of what character shouldn't be in or not but when they get in, you act like it was obvious all along.

i will cease this conversation with you as you are a swine that has earned my displeasure.

WarioWare doesn't need another character. It didn't even need Wario, Land is a much better template and source for the character. All WarioWare needed was a stage and some music.

Quit seething

Awakening made FE mainstream, nigger.