What do you guys think about Steams new feature, Proton? It allows Windows games to run on Linux...

I think you should go back to your containment board

Graphics drivers are generally installed through repo's (terminal commands). Audio issues can be fixed by configuring qjackctl or pulseaudio. That's the one thing that staves off windows users, setup. It's alien at first but with time and understanding it's worth it for all the trade offs.

I really doubt that it's perfect, or even close. Interesting, but it isn't worth adopting yet.

/g/ doesn't wanna talk about gaymez.

Why even fucking bother? What a waste of time.

If you are not dual booting or don't have multiple pcs the fuck are you using Linux for? Silly tinfoil hatters

if you want to just sit down and do something windows just werkz, hunting for arbitrary command line stuff to achieve basic functionality is gay
>what mouse scrolling? install this command line utility bro

It depends on the user needs. I use it over windows because qjackctl is an amazing audio driver compared to asio4all. Faster, eurorack simulator, lower latency, etc. Uses less ram and cpu usage, meaning more software synthesizers at once. No spyware shit constantly downloading without my permission, have complete control on how my computer functions. I can switch out the UI whenever I want, install through terminal rather than downloading from sites. I can go on forever.

Terminal commands will always be faster than ui navigation. You're just a lazy brainlet.

>Terminal commands will always be faster than ui navigation
if you already know what you're doing then it's great. of course 99% of the time when a problem comes you don't know what you're doing or the next time the issue comes up, the old method is actually useless or outdated now. UI is superior because it's intuitive and removes the fuss, and nobody wants to put more effort in than needed because it's all a means to an end.
if you're not a developer than linux is really only for the kind of guy who spends 10 years in character creators or dicking around with mods instead of playing games.

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are you playing your tripple a games with a terminal? what a dipshit

Its great
everyone that's even a little bit annoyed by windows should just try ubuntu, its baby easy
free yourselves

if windows is giving you minor annoyances they won't compare to what even ubuntu will put you through
first time I used it the only desktop environment crashed because it didn't like one tool installed from the same repo lmao

in 5 years windows will be a locked out platform
might as well try out the competition right now anons
just try it, you don't have to delete your windows install

Most games run slightly worse, some run a lot worse, some run noticeably better.

REMINDER

youtu.be/rCGMiT0CQAI

REMINDER

There's awebsite called protondb that has all benchmark results iirc.

And yes games run well, soemtimes better.

My Nigga

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>was on windows for past 7 years
>decide to give linux a try
>get mint
>some problems
>get a friend to install xubuntu instead
>haven't had a problem since

Good heavens, I am so glad I switched.
I am pretty much a normalfag that uses his compuer as an Office + Youtube + Steam machine and this shit made my life easier.
No more ERROR CODE 0X0037450
No more "Computer updating, brb in an hour"
No more 17494 preinstalled apps
No more need to virus check everything I download

Linux 4 lyef

I would prefer a proper user-friendly OS that matches Windows with its compatibility to most programs without the built-in spyware.

I've been using Linux as my sole OS for the better part of a decade. Although I'm apprehensive that Proton will actually lead to a decrease in Linux games (why bother making a native version of our game if people can just run it through Proton) if it attracts more people to consider using Linux, it's a good thing.

>he fell for 10 meme

What the fuck are you guys talking about? You have to "configure" absolutely nothing since at least 2007. You never have to fuck around with modlines like it's the 90s and you never have to fuck around with "additional" drivers if ya aren't an nvidiot. Me thinks your special snowflake alienware blackbox forgot to mainline proper drivers. Sucks to buy unsupported hardware but that's hardly the fault of linux. Cry to the manufacturers or buy proper hardware next time. Yo ain't crying at microsoft about hardware for windows XP not working in 10 but cry at linux about hardware from shit vendors that don't give a shit for proper supporting their advertised platforms?

Eat dung.

>10 meme
explain yourself, thot.

I really wanted to use GNU/Linux, but desu microsoft is winning me over lately.
their new terminal is looking awesome so far, they made the best IDE on the market free for solo devs with no strings attached, c# is superior to java, and everything just werks
meanwhile, the last time I tried GNU/Linux, the window manager had screen tearing everywhere and I couldn't find any drivers for my GPU.
Also, how the fuck am I supposed to make money as a VFX artist when there's basically no content creation software other than GIMP?

>using an IDE
You're never gonna make it.

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>t. someone who has never worked on complex software

of course you don't need an ide if all you code is bash scripts and little test programs in C

Expectation: Year of the FOSS desktop
Relaity: Everyone just rips the kernel and runs their walled garden on top of it

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I really appreciate what they're doing. Though there are frequent issues even for games that work, mouse sensitivity tends to get really weird and heavens forbid you try to install something on a shared NTFS partition.

Krita has long left gimp in the dust in every area.

Except it's a digital art program, rather than an image manipulation program?
Krita is good, but it's not an alternative to photoshop.

Real men use vim

>he thinks his .net project is complex because he imports a gb of of other peoples code
here is a (you) kid, buy your self a new computer

You're right, it's not. Not to photoshop. I'm just saying that despite having different goals, it still beats gimp at its home turf.

Based and vimpilled

>reinventing the wheel several time over
Enjoy never making any useful software, ever.
This is why linux doesn't have any decent alternatives to the adobe suite and other content creation software.

How does it make you feel that every distro that matters ships with the Gnome desktop and that's what vast majority of people consider "the linux interface"

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it doesn't have alternatives because the "creative" software is on mac, which is where the "creative" people are
windows is a downgrade software wise for "creative"s
windows is also a downgrade for programmers, but normies like you have M$s hand too far up their asses to realize it
the only thing windows is good for is business normies more familiar with their phones then computers and the people who manage them

Creative software on mac is a huge meme.
The hardware on macs isn't even good enough for a video rendering workflow. mac is mostly used be solo freelancers making logos in AI for peanuts.
Big production studios use windows workstations. And windows is fine for programming, if we're talking about actually writing software instead of tinkering with your tiling window managers and anime wallpapers.

In fact, the only thing linux is good at is network administration.

archcuck detected

>In fact, the only thing linux is good at is network administration.
That is wrong, it is pretty good for playing porn games without getting judged by the NSA.

>implying the proprietary closed blobs in your hardware don't have ring 0 access and and embedded networking hardware that streams your loli hentai directly to NSA headquarters

Every platform has its niche. Macs tend to be preferred by freelance artists. They also have their fans in the sysadmin world because you can support windows, mac and linux on one machine. The pricing and shit tier hardware sucks.
Windows is used by businesses who live and die on Office + Exchange and solo video editors because they can use Premiere on better hardware than you can get on the mac.
However when you get into the BIG boys, the studios who work on blockbusters, it's all done on linux. Why? Because it doesn't matter how beefy your overclocked i7-9600k is, it doesn't come close to that datacentre full of Threadripper/Epycs that the Davinci Resolve users and Maya users need to back them up. And while windows is decent today compared to before, Linux just has the better scheduler that can get an extra 1-2% out of the same hardware on heavily threaded workloads.
Programmers have to be able to use anything, so they don't count. They may have their preference, but they follow the money.

Maybe you shouldn't have traded your privacy for a bit of single core performance, mr Intel customer.

>I play games on linux

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That's only for targeted invasion. You would have done something fucked up if they bother with that. Windows does datamining ala facebook by default and gives access to third parties. Those hardware backdoors are only for gobbernments and ultra hardcore criminals. There is no way i'm giving my fapping habits to advertisers and other scum.

>Guys, linux is totaly safe, our open development makes sure that massive bribes and political harassment and pressure on our developers totaly cannot happen to permit any kind of backdoor into our system whatsoever
>No, the massive might of the law bending foreign interest parties, our own national information gathering organizations and straight up the governament never ever bullied, harassed or influenced our development
>Our special boi OS is 100% infallible and safe. We swear.

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I like it, I'm gonna try to setup a manjaro machine and see how it works out, if it does well I'll just switch over it when W7 support is over.

>MS Excel
I get it, it's mighty useful and way ahead of FOSS alternatives
>MS Access
I get it.
>MS Power Point
I even kind of get this one considering the target audience.
>MS Word
Who the fuck needs this shitheap in 2019?

I'm enjoying EDF 4 right now with complete FREEDOM.

Fuck off, steam shill. Go stick drm up your ass you stupid nigger.

Windows 7 is still quite good, just wish DX12 games would work on it. Whereas Linux does support DX12 games.

>Almost every game I've tried works perfectly
So you've only tried a handful of popular games. Doesn't mean it actually works with the majority of games.

Also you are installing closed source DRM software on Linux. You are defeating the point of using Linux.

Ya dun fucked up boy. It's proven that windows sends shit home constantly, even your hailed ltsb or whatever that special snowflake lgtqb version was named. And it's also proven that linux does nothing of the sort. You can easily monitor network traffic to see for yourself.

What made Gaben push towards the destruction of Microsoft this hard? Did he witness something horrifying while working there? Is he just vengeful of something? Is his knife collection just for show?

It's a sacrifice I have to make if I wanna play most games. Also there's no "point" to Linux, it's what you want it to be.

Why do you think the point of linux is 100% foss forever? Why shouldn't you be allowed to simply move as far towards free software as convenience allows? You already partially do it on windows, you installed sumatra pdf to replace adobe's shit reader.

Here's a pro-tip for you. You use the OS+Hardware that lets you do your job for the minimum amount of capital expenditure and ease.
Ideologies are for terrorists and basement dwellers.
If you are happy on windows and it brings in the bacon, be happy and do that.
But you have to be able to move with the times. I've had many opportunities to shake my head at butthurt vendors who find out they lost the contract because they couldn't understand how windows-only software limited their client base.
Yes, sometimes you get hired by linux/mac shops and if you are going to try and "convert" them to your way of thinking, you've already lost.

Having their own operating system with games relying on software components made by Valve is the ultimate control tool.
It's like Google Android. In theory it can be free and work without all the Google stuff. In practice 99.5% of users only use the google services.

this retard doesn't even know the "point" of Linux himself. Linux was never supposed to be some completely open and free platform, just the development of Linux is open. Linus himself doesn't care about other software being free & open, he doesn't mind if people make money off of it.

Aoe was always playable in wine since like forever. If you actually cared you would keep playing it.

And if you were too brainlet for setting up wine enviroment correctly, you would use this instead
playonlinux.com/
Its basically wine wrapper with GUI.

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You can just use wine with some extras outside of steam, that's all proton is. Steam just wraps it in a convenient package.

I get more control over my system and I get more privacy, if I can play games fine it's an only win scenario for me.

What are you even talking about? I never made "a point" about anything. There are just facts laid bare and you seem to straw manning hard about some "idiology" I don't give a shit about openess. I just want to fap in peace.

Also, every software i write is open source. But that doesn't contradict anything.

>>MS Word
>Who the fuck needs this shitheap in 2019?
Nobody really. I've been doing this shit for 20 years now and when people want "Office" they really mean Excel. Word was rarely used for more than letter writing, and no one wants a letter, they want an email.

That's totally outdated. Lutris is where it's at since many years.

Well i played games on linux back at uni where i happened to buy notebook with brand new bugged technology called nvidia optimus which made all games crash after 5~10 minutes of usage. Linux didnt have this problem.

Luckily few years later when i was buying new hardware i was wiser than to buy brand new hot technology so i am on w7 ever since.

That was exactly my point. In theory you can do that. In practice it will mean that Linux gaming (if it ever becomes popular) will be entirely dependent on Valve and their services.

Proton is literally wine developed further and made normie-friendly, it's still open source and anyone can pick it up and brach out of valve.

github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton

I'm interested in seeing it progress.
I'm admittedly not very tech savvy, but I remember using Ubuntu a few times and if Win10 continues to get worse, I might just do the switch.

Yeah, the landscape changed drastically since valve started pumping big money into dxvk and wine. Now it's all about custom wine builds and lutris devs are the ones driving that forward and making it easy to use them, see tk-glitch with his builds. Outstanding, while playonlinux drove off a cliff.

Too bad writing scripts for lutris is a really bad experience and involves jumping through hoops.

Non-programmer. What use do these new terminals provide? From what I see it allows you to run other OS in what is probably a VM, but I wasn't sure.

A reminder that if you're planning to use linux, you should be picking up something with KDE desktop environment.

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I have a Linux gaming question. Is Linux's default mouse sensitivity the same as Window's default mouse sensitivity? This is important, because I would like to use all of the same sensitivity values in the games that I play.

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Proton is dumb easy, just install a game and it will run. Some games though are completely broken, or require some fiddling to run. Like just an hour ago I download EDF 4 and it wouldn't get past the save file screen. Had to get the game running on Windows and create a file, backup, then I could run the game fine on Linux. Weird shit like that you will run into a lot on Linux, but you get used to it.

But i love nano

KDE is slow as shit

Yes.

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>anyone can
a programmer can. 99% of gamers can't. They will not get a Steam-free version of Proton and get their games from another source than Valve. They will install Steam and get their games from Valve exclusively. That's the goal of Valve.

>slow as shit
A fresh boot only uses about 600mb of ram and if you're talking about the animations, you can change the speed of them. To instant even.

It isn't on hardware meant to play games from this decade.

But are you sure it's the same? Like, my preferred mouse sensitivity in Source Engine games is 2.6 with raw input on. If I use 2.6 on Windows and 2.6 on Linux, is it the same?

Not that guy but from my experience it's faster on linux. In TF2 w/raw input I use 3.0 sensitivity on windows and 1.8 on linux.

>99% of gamers can't.
Kek, can you be more of a retard?
Next thing you'll tell people that pcgamingwiki shouldn't exist because you can play every old windows game flawlessly on modern systems.

Microsoft was lacking in good terminal applications, they are mostly used by pro users and programmers to easily use scripts to get various problems solved. It's really easy to solve problems by writing scripts and not bother writing GUI logic in it so a terminal is a must.
cmd.exe is the terminal ms has had since forever and is extremely limited in user friendliness. Hard to change window size, strange way to copy and paste and all that jazz.
Then came powershell that is more like a php/python shell. complicated for beginners and still has bad UI to change things.
Now it seems that microsoft fuses both of them and copies many features from shells of the unix land to make programmers finally happy.

That linux shit is a separate thing, they introduced WSL 2 that is just a light VM with a chosen linux kernel and a userland. They hook the terminal to it so there is "native" linux support. WSL 1 was just an interpreter that was gimped due to missing syscalls that couldn't be converted to the NT kernel. Many advanced linux software relies on them so webdevs couldn't make use of WSL 1. With WSL 2 they will be able to.

wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration#Disabling_mouse_acceleration

This might help

Proton is promising, if only Linux had any decent desktop, and software alternatives.

>b-but it does desktop pretty good already! a-also full of alternative programs!
whoever tells you this either never used windows/macos features fully or is a desktop posting anime tranny

Am i the only one that has no clue what all that acceleration shit is about? I have mouse buttons that change the DPI/Speed and that makes me happy. I never noticed any strange behavior and can aim perfectly fine. I know that it is supposed to make the mouse speed unpredictable but i never noticed that.

Beyond awful. Instead of using these resources on Half-Life 3, they waste said resources to appease a tiny, insiginificant minority. Fuck Valve.

>download linux to try it out
>all the good DEs are incompatible with steam and you have to use the absolutely ugliest trash to play it.

try Solus Linux

But window management is better with Openbox/tint2, tiling WMs, or KDE.

>software alternatives

I think Windows has no software.

If I used Windows I would feel like I'm forced to use random proprietary scams and adware, or inferior ports of open source Linux software.

>>all the good DEs are incompatible with steam and you have to use the absolutely ugliest trash to play it.

There's no DE that's incompatible with Steam, please stop being retarded.

You might mean your distro didn't have Steam included in the repos, either way you obviously have no clue.

I would switch but i can't do without VIsual Studio. Is there a good alternative on linux?

If you don't even give it a chance with proper supported hardware then i don't know what to tell you. But saying that modern desktops and their software are not decent is a straight fucking lie. Explorer will never reach dolphin levels of functionality and speed. The same is true for almost all standard software of windows, show me their compression program that comes close to ark, show me their image viewer that comes close to gwenview. Show me their window manager that comes close to kwin. Show me their desktop shell that comes close to plasma/budgie/pantheon or whatever else.
They are straight up inferior. If you're crying that your special software is not available in linux then you should ask the software vendor to support it. Nothing a linux fag can do about it.

Acceleration means that distance the cursor travels increases the faster you move your mouse. So if you flick your mouse you get speed, but if you move it the same distance slowly you get precision. It's very convenient outside of games.
In FPS it's not so great because you don't always pick and choose when to move slowly and when quickly, you react to what's happening. And then your crosshair starts moving at different speeds depending on how you react.
Many games bypass system settings for it though, it's possible you've been playing without acceleration all this time.

I use linux on my laptops. Windows 10 makes them drop to their knees, especially my netbook with updates and limited storage (29GB).
Updating on Linux is painless, when I want it, and I only have what I need.

I use Arch btw. With all my applications installed and a little bit of user data I have ~23 of 29GB free on said netbook since it's mostly used as a thin client.
I do some gaming on it via RetroArch and streaming with Moonlight.

Since it's all Intel all the drivers I need, mostly graphics and wifi but even audio, are baked into the kernel so I never have to fuck around with configs and installing shit.
The AUR covers anything else I would want to install.

the shit you complain about happens because of windows 10. For instance, I still run w7 without any problems and will never switch

> the window manager had screen tearing everywhere and I couldn't find any drivers for my GPU.

You're most likely too retarded to program yourself a hello world to save your life, so I'm not sure why you're considered about Visual Studio Core or C# (which natviely works on Linux now btw).

Screen tearing is because WMs don't come with a compositor with Vsync by default, it's better for low latency. Compton with vsync enabled is what you need for no tearing.

>couldn't find any drivers for my GPU.

This is what really lets me know you're retarded.

GPU drivers come inside the kernel, and in mesa (open source userland package containing support for OpenGL, Vulkan, and DX9 on AMD cards).

These come installed on any distro.

Nvidia users will typically use the proprietary drivers, and if you can't "find" these you're fucking retarded.

If you disable mouse accel, it's just raw 1:1 mouse input, your DPI is the sensitivity.

No, it's not the same as Windows.

xfce's compositor comes with vysnc but until now it's had tearing. I think it's FINALLY fixed? Maybe not.

But yes on xfce the common wisdom has been to disable its compositor and autostart compton on login.

You can boot a game from the terminal, yes brainlet. What do you think happens when you double click an exe? You think the GUI imbues some magic ability to launch programs?

some games seem to be supported, hopefully they'll one day fully port it

pcgamer.com/microsoft-finally-ports-directx-12-to-windows-7-but-only-for-certain-games/

>xfce's compositor comes with vysnc but until now it's had tearing.

Then it didn't have Vsync enabled, or it was broken, simple as that.

If you have a Vsync'd compositor, there will be zero tearing.

>hopefully they'll one day fully port it
seems like a bone toss in EOL for a handful of games, doubt they'll retro it in

>or it was broken
Well duh, hence the "I think it's FINALLY fixed? Maybe not."

How will you live without Microsoft turning on your PC from sleep mode at like 3AM in order to install updates?
This is not a joke by the way.

But is it a better solution than Stadia/Project Stream for online games?

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>when /g/ bullies you because you have 2k+ packages

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This is probably my biggest peeve with forced updates.
>wew lads time to retire for the day
>see ya pc, go to sleep for that sick instant resume
>wake up in the middle of the night
>see the pc's on
>slam my keyboard's Fn+F11(Sleep) binding
>try to fall back asleep
>turns back on a couple minutes later
>sits there and does fucking nothing
>fuck it, go to sleep anyway
>wake up in the morning, it's STILL ON but it just restarted because the mobo debug LEDs (great timing last time it happened)
So it did all that fucking bullshit to take forever doing nothing and restart anyway so anything I had open is now no longer.
I'm fine with updates but jesus christ.

Gee, I wonder if something is better than a fucking video stream of a game that you'll pay a monthly subscription for.

Funny enough, Stadia will be running Linux and Vulkan only, if developers want their game to work, they'll have to make it work with Linux and Vulkan.

Obviously it's worse though, streaming games from a data center to your web browser will have massive unacceptable latency.

And it didn't even go back to sleep when it finished updating and rebooted.

Yeah, but /g/ bullies themselves.

Also, I noticed the ease of use of desktop focused Linux builds isn't particularly worse than modern Windows. You're getting used to a new UI and flavor of trouble shooting is the bulk of its learning curve. (Shift delete to delete straight off a jump drive, instead of copying to the recycle bin)

Really, if there's nothing Windows specific your sticking on to, Home-Linux distros isn't exactly a tough pill to swallow.

That bright light means its working :)
And also harming the shelf life of your already fragile monitor, but don't tell no one. Turning it off is an intuitive trip to the registry.

HERE AT MICROSOFT

put any effort I would have put into making linux work into pirating win10 ltsb edition instead

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>you never have to fuck around with "additional" drivers if ya aren't an nvidiot
AMD is so, so much worse. I pity anyone who has to touch their drivers.

Nah I use a TV not a monitor so it stays off :^)

imagine being this retarded when every cpu architecture is compromised

The most important and the highest privileged piece of software on your machine now comes with a crack from Ivan, nothing could possibly go wrong here.

I guess it's not a problem then.
SUPPORT TICKET CLOSED

I tested Hitman 2 and it ran exactly like on windows.

Honestly it's more convenient since my TV uses more power (75W) than my desktop at idle to medium loads.

so how exactly does proton work?

I'm considering switching over once Windows 7 dies next year.

you don't even have to get ltsb. you could get one of many debloat programs available since win10 released or just revert back to win7.
but nah struggling to get basic shit to work on linux is definitely the best solution.

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proton is literally wine

winehq.org/

proton is not literally wine, it's a packaged wine and dxvk (directx to vulkan translation layer)

>it's a packaged literally wine and dxvk (directx to vulkan translation layer)

Within Steam?
>install linux
>install steam
>open Steam settings
>enable Proton to be used on everything including non-Steam stuff
>download games and pray or check protondb

Wait, so you mean "says on" instead of "stay off"? Otherwise I don't get the point. That's still more power usage so I don't see how that's convenient. Unless you super care about turning on and off the display potentially damaging something.

If Windows wants to stick it's updating dick everywhere, I appreciate that my desktop can't turn on my TV and use more electricity for no reason especially when the update doesn't need to provide visual feedback.

Yeah those debloat programs sure aren't sketchy, and it's not like updates don't revert them.

OFFICIAL gaming on Linux tier list:
Steam Proton > Lutris > Play on Linux? > Wine Steam > VM > abandon all hope > VM with gpu passthrough

Oh. Yeah, some TVs abide by that some don't.
I see now.

wut about native support
:(

Okay, Steam/Proton.

Now we're talking.

retarded nvidiot post
nvidia has the worst drivers in the business

Thought you were gonna gatcha me with something like Tux Racer.

>nvidia has the worst drivers in the business
Open source faggots need not apply, friend.

the absolute state of the novideo shill

*ahem*

> A complete hodgepodge, inconsistent performance, very buggy, inconsistent regression testing, dysfunctional driver threading that is completely outside of the dev's official control.

> Vendor B driver's key extensions just don't work. They are play or paper extensions, put in there to pad resumes and show progress to managers. Major GL developers never use these extensions because they don't work. But they sound good on paper and show progress. Vendor B's extensions are a perfect demonstration of why GL extensions suck in practice.

>sketchy
its open software. you can open up the bat files and check to see what's doing if you wanted.
>updates
considering you would be delibertly updating your windows, its a small ask to reapply the fixes. its not like it takes long anyways.

aren't autists suppose to be smart? you're suggesting dropping the entire os instead of using simple solutions to small problems.

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>scaling is always bilinear, no choice of algorithm in the drivers
>only alternative is "high quality nvidia upscaling" available only in inspector
>it's bicubic
>there's no way to have your image resized with nearest neighbor, or an actually good algorithm like lanczos
This shit is literally keeping me away from 4K.

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That explains why i'm shit at FPS games. Thanks for clarifying.

Multiplayer games don't work because anti-cheat companies are faggot. It's only useful for single player games. I guess that's okay for antisocial Linux autists.

Wouldn't it be better to choose no scaling and output at native res then?

EAC was in talks with Valve until Epic bought them. I think BattlEye recently announced upcoming linux support through Steamworks or something.
VAC also works on Linux for obvious reasons.

Most games let you disable it in game. If you really want that acceleration on Windows but don't want it in game, remember to check Raw Input in the game's input settings, or set Mouse Acceleration to off.

for you, Nice selective reading comprehension. Massa.

Of course native res is better, but unless you throw mad dosh at your PC, you'll eventually have to go below native for good framerates. Old stuff works well enough, but even best PCs struggle with new games at native 4K.

>open software
Are you auditing the code? Who is auditing the code? How do I know once an approved auditor has audited the most recent version of the code? Is that auditor competent for the job, or meaningfully licensed?

>breaking updates
You're fucking kidding right? Are you totally out of the loop on the constant and unstemmed flow of exploits out there? There's easily been a dozen examples of speculative execution exploits published for Intel chips. That's discounting things like the WinRAR exploit, or that weird Source Engine ragdoll exploit. This shit gets dug up all the time. That's what those updates are for.

>EAC was in talks with Valve until Epic bought them. I think BattlEye recently announced upcoming linux support through Steamworks or something.
Well don't you think it might be a bit disingenuous to say everything just werks when only VAC games work? A huge portion of multiplayer games flat out do not work on Proton, period. Stop being a shill and downplaying it. If you actually want this to catch on people need to be aware that anti-cheat companies are preventing games from running on Linux for literally no reason at all.

The idea is that you're supposed to be autistic enough to audit the code yourself.

It's not Valve or Linux's fault devs want to roll special snowflake anti-cheat into everything as well as Epic buying out competition and vendor locking it.

I'm well aware normies need to realize the problem for an actual solution, but normies are fine getting fucked already so it will continue.

Fuck off with your what ifsm.
>The idea is that you're supposed to be autistic enough to audit the code yourself.

Nobody cares about your autistic code auditing strawman. What open source users care about is code availability to make sure the software works and can be compiled with future userland and ecosystems without relying on a company that is out of business two years later. Seriously, if you fags can not see the advantage in open source for businesses and users then you should probably stay in a HR position where you can gloat your knowledge over codemonkeys instead of pretending to be knowledgeable on /v,/ a board for kids.

That's only an issue for games with anti-cheat software. I've been playing EDF 4, Morhau, Project Gorgon, and ESO fine. All multiplayer games. You don't know what you're talking about.

I understand the appeal of FOSS. I was speaking specifically about code auditing.
No it isn't their fault, but ultimately it makes the end product unusable. On the bright side, Epic vendor locking EAC might force some changes.

>Are you auditing the code?
no because im not some paranoid schizo nutcase. but people like you are free to do so.

>breaking updates
i literally said "you would be delibertly updating your windows". that means you're just choosing when you install them, which solves the problem you were complaining about.

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>dude just me install this server OS that does desktop things worse because some hobo that eats toe cheese told me so
>also I need to tell everyone I did it for brownie points
Linux tards are so obnoxious

Check your games ahead of time with protondb.com man

Alternative is an OS that literally became malware with its newest iteration.

>That's only an issue for games with anti-cheat software.
...which affects a large portion of games. Only VAC works because it is Valve's anti-cheat. If you exclusively play VAC games then I guess you're fine until you want to play something with battleye.

>an OS that literally became malware
Proof?

But that's wrong, even EAC works depending on implementation. And plenty of other anti cheat software also works fine. Just because you can't play your precious fortnite it doesn't mean that nothing works.

I heard Manjaro is a good distro for gaming?
I assume neckbeards will say MINT or DEBIAN, but those sucks

manjaro is just easy arch, but some distros are more malleable for shit like gpu passthrough to a windows vm

Have you actually been in cryostasis? Remember how MS distributed W10 with a forced update, worming its way onto everyone's computers if only they had updates enabled? Those are by the books malware tactics.

lmao what a brainlet

>malware
>The code is described as computer viruses, worms, Trojan horses, ransomware, spyware, adware, and scareware, among other terms. Malware has a malicious intent, acting against the interest of the computer user—and so does not include software that causes unintentional harm due to some deficiency, which is typically described as a software bug.
>Programs officially supplied by companies can be considered malware if they secretly act against the interests of the computer user.

Windows 10 comes with adware, it also damages the system performance by chugging a great portion of the hardware resources for telemetry even after you've disabled everything possible.

I'd love to, but I don't know how to code, and I've yet to find a useful application that isn't already effectively covered by a software or suite. So my ability to audit it is compromised.

I suppose you meant to say "what ifism" but IFSM is the "The International Federation of Societies for Microscopy" which is funny given the context, when my computer houses quite a lot of identifying information, and at other times I'm required to use for things like job application where all my identifying information is on tap, I'd prefer to not be reliant on some esoteric app that Juan wrote that either accidentally or deliberately opens a backdoor. Especially when my money could be involved.

Insofar as your rant about open source, sure in some domains you're undoubtedly correct, things like infrastructure. But Blender for example is NOT an industry standard, Maya, 3ds, Houdini, Adobe Suite, Substance Designer/Painter, are all closed source industry standard softwares that are proprietary.

>schizo nutcase
You just don't have anything to lose that's worth guarding, I guess.

>deliberately updating
You realize they roll out on like a weekly basis? It's bad enough I've had to update my BIOS/UEFI repeatedly since Intel can't structure a secure arch, do I really want to spend another 15-20 minutes a week watching Windows update, and then running an application that I don't understand?

Not today.

>conveniently ignores Battleye
>misrepresents EAC's compatibility
>hand waves and takes credit for unnamed anti-cheat systems
>implies I'm just not playing the right games
>continually downplays issues
and lintards wonder why their OS still hasn't caught on.

>OS updates
>m-malware
Shut up you tinfoil hat moron.

Windows doesn't show ads unless you give it permission to do so. Telemetry can also be disabled if you wish. There's literally no proof that telemetry can't be disabled, but nice try.

>Geez guys, it's not malware, it only BEHAVES like malware you tinfoil hatters!

>There's literally no proof that telemetry can't be disabled, but nice try.
>"L-let me try that, maybe everyone forgot already"

>Windows doesn't show ads unless you give it permission to do so.

I've been tried out windows 10 on my own, installed it on other people PCs and bought a laptop that came with it, IN ALL CASES it had ads installed in the start menu with some of them only being removeable from powershell.

>manjaro is just easy arch,
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

>10% of Windows.

They run like 70-100% of Windows.

This. If you spend a few hours to customize it, vim becomes perfect for small-middle sized C/C++ projects. I do use VS at my job, though, because of the fuckhuge size of codebase and some nice features of VS that I use.

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>cyka blyat
figures

It makes Steam miles better than any platform

>You just don't have anything to lose that's worth guarding, I guess.
the vast majority of people, including businesses, don't worry about things have an incredibly small chance of happening. you're actually an outlier in your paranoia, which why the vast majority of people don't use linux or even know what it is.

Malware by definition is something malicious, an OS updating itself isn't malicious.

I don't have any ads and I never touched powershell.

there is no point in abandoning windows for GNU/linux for me

Fuck off, Jerry. Go back to Krautchan... oh wait.

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>I don't have any ads
Then you are not using the retail version, you probably got edu or pirated enterprise.

>enable Proton to be used on everything including non-Steam stuff

This shit don't work on Magic: Arena. You need to use Lutris and even then it's fucktarded updater will DELETE THE ENTIRE FUCKING INSTALL OF IT while hanging the GUI installer in the process every fucking week.

Arch is notorious for it's confusing setup and extreme barebones install. So it's extremely lightweight, great for old computers with horrible ram. But it's kind of unnecessary if you have more than 1gb ram, more to show off that you did it and that you're an autist. Manjaro kinda defeats the purpose by loading bloatware, but they claim games run better on there. I'd just run Ubuntu because it's easy to understand. Manjaro uses different commands and functions different from Ubuntu. Sometimes it gets really confusing, that's why I like Ubuntu because there's endless information about since it's so well established. Up to you really, it depends on what you want out of your system.

Disgusted. Gnome 3 ruined linux as a whole because people don't want to use this horrible interface.
Gnome 2 was GOAT, but Gnome 3 is a steamy piece of shit and for some reason they never fixed it.

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> It's not Valve or Linux's fault devs want to roll special snowflake anti-cheat into everything as well as Epic buying out competition and vendor locking it.

Sure, but you can admit it's a fucking problem for 80% of PC gamers as they play those multiplayer titles.

This is the major stumbling block for Linux adoption: The multiplayer is locked due to anti-cheat (which is fine, according to Garry most of their cheaters are on Linux since EAC or whatever couldn't find them on Linux) software, so they can't play it on the "alternate" OS because those softwares require Windows with no support for Linux/distros.

My favorite part is how Nautilus features were pretty much reduced to the level of my android phone's file browser.

I'm I the only one who wishes Gmod had some actually good Linux support?

I'd love to hop on with the boys but Garry has provided next to no support for the thing and I have to rely on the windows version of it

use stable distributions instead of casual ones your fucking retard.

>I like Ubuntu because there's endless information about
True, but I really hate Ubuntu forums. They always answer the question with the dumbest solution possible and it never works.
Now I never open the Ubuntu forums when I search about a problem, because everything I need is in the Arch wiki.

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What? The game runs fine on Linux.

>has problems this regularly
and this is why linux is a meme

Canonical is most likely going to get bought by Microsoft so if you like Ubuntu, I'd suggest migrating to Debian.

Sadly, my videocard predates the whole "valve works with linux people to make video cards go faster", so i lose 50% of performance by going to linux.
But proton is actually quite impressive, as it did not lose any more performance.
I'm probably moving to the penguin when i get a computer that don't fuck itself with linux.

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If you want a pre-configured Arch installation than go with Antergos. It's basically just that. While Manjaro works like a fork with their own repos and packages, Antergos is just arch with some optional repos by them. If you disable their repos you're left with a pre-configured and usuable Arch installation.

Nigga please, as if Windows didn't have mountains of problems. You simply solved them or learned to cope with them after 20 years of use.

I've heard their installer shits the bed half the time though.

>windows problems: literally only with 20 year old software
>linux problems: once a week
lol

Yes let's conveniently forget how W10 launch sent tech supoport worldwide into a state of panic. And how 1809 update was such a catastrophy it made news headlines and wasn't fully fixed after 2 attempts. And how it took them 4 years to add a dark theme that STILL doesn't work.

I use Arch. If I wanted to have no problems at all, I would use Ubuntu like a filthy casual.

>Yes let's conveniently forget how W10 launch sent tech supoport worldwide into a state of panic
those poor indians
>And how it took them 4 years to add a dark theme that STILL doesn't work.
who cares about this?

>P-paranoia

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Considering how the next OS will be fully Cloud based, I think some people might find this thread useful.

>mfw Debian and everything Just Werks

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I haven't used it for a very long time but it used to be true

i never said it doesn't happen. this chart only begs the question of how this data was acquired.
regardless, when you consider that amazon alone handles billions of orders yearly, that really isn't a lot when expanded to all data, or even all enterprise data.

It's exciting stuff. I did a dual boot of Mint to try out Steam Play. I tried a couple games and performance was on par with Windows. I also got WoW working with Lutris (though it took a while), and performance was similarly on par.

I'm thinking about making my main OS Linux and having a dual boot of Windows for those edge cases.

You got me, it's because of me. Don't tell linus, he will fire my dad.

Bullshit. Trying to install Lutris on Stretch a few months ago was pulling teeth because "LOL OUR REPO DOESN'T HAVE THAT, USE SUSE'S!"

LTS for them is assy.

if it just works you aren't using it to its potential