100 days until classic

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previous version was better, advert works better than smarmy cunt

A fair criticism, thankfully layering is only planned for the release to try to help out the 3000 level 3 orcs try to collect apples.

I think they said after phase 1 it wont be used, or something like that

Yeah, it's only the release. The first half year or so. No worries. Be gone before you can gestate a child, probably.

They confirmed that it’s supposed to only last 3 weeks and at maximum a month. Anyone upset about the system is only outraged due to their own autism. Layering is a better system than sharding, and stopping the starter zones from being over-flooded is much more important to the game. The first three weeks having layers does not stop server identity from being formed.

>only last 3 weeks and at maximum a month
Only thing they've said is phase one. Stop talking out of your ass.
>Anyone upset about the system is only outraged due to their own autism
I'm disappointed they kept sharding.

I’m a bull Tauren shaman and I’ll be your WFslut for this raid

You’re disappointed that they’re doing something necessary to the game? Would you rather have the first few weeks unplayable due to the server population in starter zones? You’re just faking outrage and it’s pathetic. I’m also not talking out of my ass, the classic devs did an interview and specifically said that layering would last 3 weeks to a month. Almost certain it was the interview by TipsOut

>Layering is a better system than sharding
it is the same thing fuckin retard
you are just regurgitating what eceleb streamers were told to call sharding in order to damage control hype and sales for classic
you are the retarded peon who fell for the trick and will be giving your money to the very company that ruined WoW
enjoy your half assed classic experience by the actiblizzard jews

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Go back Chang
youtube.com/watch?v=TAm0oT7epqs&feature=youtu.be&t=3224

>NO FUCK YOU MY STARTING ZONE NEEDS TO WAIT FOR SARKOTH TO RESPAWN WITH 3000 OTHER PEOPLE FUCK YOU IT'S THE VANILLA EPXERIENCE WAAAAAAH

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>Would you rather have the first few weeks unplayable due to the server population in starter zones
yes, faggot
this will especially weed out the zoomer faggots who need instant gratification immediately
less of those types in the game the better
only dedicated faggots who sit on the loading screen and miss days of work sitting in queue deserve to play this game
go to retail if you want a smooth normalfag experience

I wish they wouldn't announce it so early, I had forgotten about it already, but now I'm hyped again and it's so far away.

roll a pve server and then use the free 1x transfer they are giving to move to a pvp server, wont be nearly as many people people on pve servers due to the autistic WORLD PVP!!!!!!!!!! crowd

you don't deserve it if you cry like a bitch

Why do you want to gatekeep other people?

Not everyone who will play classic is a disgusting fat NEET like you who's spends nothing all day but generating fake-outrage for a 15 year old game

>NOOOOOO SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT THIS IS THE VANILLA EXPERIENCE YES YES 7 MINS FOR SARKOTH TO RESPAWN WHILE 7 OTHER GROUPS ARE ALREADY FORMED TO INSTA-GIB HIM YES HAHAHA FUCK YEAH OH MY GOD YES IN IN MY EARS *SOBS* THANK YOU BLIZZARD THIS IS THE VANILLA EXPERIENCE I WANTED OH MY GOD I WANTED SO LONG FOR THIS OHOH

I'd like classic.

I hope you guys don't discriminate against differently abled specs.

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And you’re a cynical little tearjerker. Layering obviously has some downsides, but it’s easy to see the differences between it and sharding and the reason why it was added. If you want to compete over apples with 3000 other orcs I am sorry. I would rather have a more enjoyable and authentic experience.

Then play it. It’s still classic. There are thousands of things that make classic what it is, and thousands of reasons why it’s better than retail.

>THIS IS THE VANILLA EXPERIENCE
it is whether you like it or not, go back to your dead tranny infested mmo

>leveling warrior
>ranged class tags the mob I was going to attack
>he doesnt accept invite
>hop layers and go about business as was intended
>later on
>"haha i made him hop layers! get fucking owned meleecucks on suicide watch rangechads ww@?"

ah, home... exactly as I remember it...

you will likely not make it past lvl 10 anyway, go to your job and just commit to being a normalfag who only plays games 2 hours a day if you're feeling up for the challenge

>and thousands of reasons why it’s better than retail
And that's why I'd prefer the retail out of classic. Sharding is just a bad decision.

>Mentioning trannies out of nowhere because that's your only counter-argument

Take your meds schizo and go jerk off to the things you hate

>friends started playing in TBC
>they are excited to "go home" to Classic

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>the differences between it and sharding

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just like all the zoomers on here that really started in wrath

>excited for this

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WE'VE ALREADY told you why sharding is something that will be in the game in order for things to function properly.
Can you honestly say with a straight face that sharing an starting area with 300 other people all tagging mobs and you sitting there like an oblivious retard just doing fucking nothing is the classic experience? No it fucking isn't and you fucking know.
>Oh but you are just aren't commited enough

Sitting around idling and doing nothing is the classic experience and i know you've never played classic yourself and only enjoy gatekeeping from other people

I see I hit a nerve, don't forget to clean the puss out of your dick wound before you dilate tonight, sweaty

That's from the beta you mongol

Im gonna be enhancement and raidwagies are gonna have to deal with me shitting up everything

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I honestly don't remember, do you have to complete the starting zone quests for skills and shit or can you just grind mobs for a while and skip the first and second quest hub?

I'd rather not have sharding, yes. Absolutely. That's what I'm telling you.

Your head is a little too far up your ass

Point is, Blizzard’s stance on this specific issue is reasonable. There being thousands of players in every starting zone also would be nothing like the vanilla experience. It’s not something that can be perfectly recreated. I want to play vanilla because I like the game better. I love the leveling, the feeling of satisfaction when you pick up better gear even early on, and the better sense of cooperation. All of that is still there. If layering makes you this absurdly outraged, you have bigger problems.

And? Nothing's changed.

Why are you so bitter and resentful that you immediately accuse someone of being a mentally ill tranny? Is that really the only counter-argument you have?

clips.twitch.tv/CulturedCulturedArugulaVoHiYo

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>Mentioning schizos out of nowhere because thats your only counter-argument

Take your meds tranny and go jerk off to the things you hate

Then why are you still using that clip

Are you gonna post proof of that or more out of context wembs?

and this one? from this week

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>Point is, Blizzard’s stance on this specific issue is reasonable
No.

if there was no sharting or "layering" on vanilla launch there should be none for classic
let the weak ones go to sleep for school tomorrow and let the real ones get in

Because he has nothing better to do than to cry about confirmed bugs in a beta for a game he obviously doesn’t even care about

retard

you still change shards on grouping, nothing's changed

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There was a difference between vanilla's launch in 2004 when there were obviously less players and classic's launch

Thank god blizzard isn't listening to retards like you who obviously haven't even played the game at launch

Nice argument. Please tell me how it’s unreasonable. You know that it isn’t. There are very clear reasons why it’s being implemented, and their stance on it is extremely reasonable. Being wary of them not keeping to their word is understandable, but if they follow their current plan there’s nothing wrong with it

>refering to trannies as 'things' while defending them
alas, you were at my side all along

Thank Christ idiots like you will never be put in charge of anything

I don't need a counter arguement. You are objectively wrong. Sharting and layering was not in vanilla and should not be in classic for the true vanilla experience. Classic should be vanilla and vanilla should be classic. No microtransactions, no patches to make the game easier and no channel instancing in the open world. Don't want to deal with waiting join a less populated realm. People will know what realms are high activity and which are not.

not being able to see the player beside you isn't reasonable
5x devilsaurs isn't reasonable
5x lotus isn't reasonable
5x minerals isn't reasonable
escaping pvp situations and forcing escort and mob respawns by changing shards isn't reasonable

it wasn't in vanilla and it's an extremely hamfisted solution to a non-issue

we aren't going to play your shitty private server and we are not going back to retail
stay mad seething tranny

us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/sharding-after-latest-server-restart/175660/88
Confirmed to be a bug. Eat shit.

Blizzard testing things in the beta, to make sure this shit wont happen when it's live.
not a blizz shill I promise

Yeah you're a fucking dumbass who keeps spouting the same stupid argument that ive already debunked. Go Educate Yourself on why sharding will need to be a thing and how to extend arguments beyond ''Well um it wasn't in vanilla so uhhh it bad''

SHARDING/LAYERING WILL ONLY BE A THING FOR A FUCKING MONTH

GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL

>so uhhh it bad
You finally got something right. Congratulations.

yes be glad activision is making the choices for your casualized classic experience to be more nejoyable for obnoxious zoomer who will still be stealing your mobs because now they have as equal a chance as you because it's easy for everyone to play thanks to sharting
can't wait to be able to not meet people out in the world and play in my own instance of world of warcraft unless a friend invites me to their layer on the same realm
what an absolute joke of an argument you casuals have
stick to bfa, you seriously do not need to be in classic cluttering up the world with your retarded ideas of making classic easier

That's one month too much. What possible reason could there be to shard Un'goro? EPL? Do you really think they're going to be unplayably overpopulated the first month(supposedly)?

Blizzard fucked up.

this is classic, not nuwow
the next thing you'll be begging for is dungeon finder because waiting outside takes to long or talking to people is scary
YOU are the reason nuWoW is as casualized and hand holdy today
Sharting is a nuWoW infestation made to appease impatient zoomers

Classic is already way harder than your chingchong servers, shouldn't you be happy?

Give me proof you actually played vanilla and were at a reasonable high pvp rank and you're not just spouting bullshit in an attempt to look like you're opinion is worth anything

PvP? pfft, if you're gonna try to gank me I'll just move to another shard.

warcraftrealms.com/

Never played WoW but thinking of trying out classic. What is sharding and layering and why are people so heated about it?

pEoPle WoNT PlaY In MasSe In tHE fIRSt MOnTH

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Nobody is begging for anything
The Decision to implement sharding/layeing is an attempt by the ORIGINAL devs in the game to prevent players from hogging in the original starting zone waiting 15 mins to kill Sarkoth

As noted by their patch notes and what they don't consider a bug they are committed to making this a pure classic experience

You have nothing to argue here other than ''IT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE ZOOMER CASUAL ZOOMER CASUAL are babies who will cry for anything''

>rogue tries to blind me but he has no blinding powder

Because multiplayer used to be a standard feature of MMOs.

?

Find your character.

Why is it always redditors that cocksuck the corporations?

sharding/layering is a zoomer feature no matter what you say
it is not a vanilla experience if it's in

So you seriously think level 50+ zones are going to be swamped in the first month? Or are you just too fucking stupid to read the words in front of you?

where is yours? you are no later than a wotlk baby if you are advocating for sharting

i HaTE BLiZArSD sOMuCH tHAT i DIkSLIKE eVERYThGING tHEY dO eveN wHEn i hAVe no aRgUmENTs

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How many people does Blizzard think are still going to be excited to play classic, after all these faggot streamers have played it to death in front of them and exposed how shallow the experience is? 50% of people who were excited initially? 20%? I know it has already killed my hype.

Blizzard is absolutely incompetent and I hope this is the final nail in the coffin. The smart thing to do would be to do small scale internal testing, following by one or two stress test weekends right before release.

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>No You

Ladies and Gentlemen we are done here

why do you use 4channel like it is reddit? faggot

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talking in retard speak makes you the retard
blizzard doesn't have a mind of it's own anymore
it is all the mind of the corporation
in order to maximize profits they will hinder the vanilla experience so they can get as many bodies into the game the first month and the least amount of complaints through a casualized mechanic known as sharting/layering

>Preach wasn't interested, now he's on board
>none of my friends wanted to play
>after the streams, a fucking ton of my friends and OG WoW friends are coming back
>Asmongloid has a record day
nah, your crystal ball is cloudy as shit. This is going to be pretty popular, and I can see why retailcucks are afraid and are trying to doompost.

I am thrilled for how they have handled all of the classic project
Almost all of their decisions have been (in my opinion) correct ones that I can agree on and honestly I can't wait to play classic this 27th
I hope you are enjoying your anger, because I will enjoy my game

the argument here was that sharting is not a vanilla feature and it should not be in classic
you are right, we are done here

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>I know it has already killed my hype
These posts are the worst. You're a fucking retard. WE KNOW THE FUCKING GAME. WE'VE BEEN PLAYING IT FOR YEARS ON PRIVATE SERVERS, MANY PLAYED IT ORIGINALLY IN RETAIL VANILLA, FUCK OFF IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.

Did you even watch the interview in which they explained why layering was the option they picked
Did you even try to listen or were you just filled with rage that you didn't even care

anyone that posts a wojak or pepe image related to classic wow is under the age of 21 and should be avoided

its been three days, get back to me about your friends in 3 months, halfwit
also am i supposed to know who preach is? is he the guy you donate your allowance to for a sad parasocial thrill?
not even gonna dignify a shill this obvious with a real response

nice downvote, fag

>MUH LAYERING
Yeah, it's gay. But I guarantee we'll still be spending 15 minutes trying to tag sarkoth first even with layering. And, if we're being honest, retail vanilla wasn't like that. Most people who played retail vanilla had an ez breezy time questing with little to no competition, most people joined well after release and were spread across dozens of realms.

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it was not in vanilla so it should not be in classic
I don't see what's so hard to understand about this
just don't pick the realm that the faggot streamer you watch is on and you'll have a smooth experience

Daily reminder
>sharding
>right click to report
>modern addons for braindead idiots
>retail community migrants
>private server autistic minmaxers
>neutered barrens chat and general trash talk
>post cata bright nights
>bnet interface so you can talk to members of other faction
>streamers with hordes of zoomers following them
>loot trading
>15$ fucking sub for a two decade old game
>perma 1.12 patch

dumb zoom zoom

They're similar, but layering isnt automatic like sharding is.
You wont pop to a different layer just by changing zones, you need to actually join a group or relog.

I know what cancer is, because I read your post. Doesn't mean I have it.
>in denial over a video game that is clearly shaping up to be highly anticipated
how sad of a person would you have to be? I mean, to come in to a WoW related thread, and then try to convince people that they don't like the thing they like, and that it's going to fail despite all indications.

Fucking pathetic

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wow, you played it on private servers, incredible
i played in the actual beta for the actual release of wow, i was there the first day, i was the first paladin on perenolde with full lightbringer
you are never gonna see anything remotely like that was from this shit facsimile, keep deluding yourself

and even as great as that experience was, and it was nothing compared to UO, it was ultimately shallow and people with IQs over 100 who aren't running from their actual lives eventually realize it.

why isn't it f2p when it's so old?

I'm a boomer who played retail vanilla. Akama realm, a smaller server, it was rare to compete for quests.

how do you want them to make money?

christ, we already have to endure sharding because of them skimping on the servers at $15/mo, can't imagine what a f2p version would be like

you 100% will. Each layer is the capacity of a vanilla server.

Dunno about your second point. I was on Blackrock and we couldn't play for huge stretches of the day. I'll take layering any day over being frozen in a crouch pose looting a mob for an hour.

you will not see people on other layers on your realm
that is not vanilla
it is bad
simple enough?

>tfw the falseflaggers don't affect me at all cause I have confidence that they'll get it right
I can't wait any longer

>I don't like it therefore the tons of people that do are wrong
no one cares about your gay made up WoW epeen stories. I can namedrop, too. I was the first gnome on Blackrock to get Thunderfury and then pleasure Bolvar with it in a loud /2 ERP session.

You're a fucking retard too. I played retail vanilla, private servers are a splitting image. You sound like a bitter faggot. The point isn't to transport myself back to when WoW was brand new and I was 15, it's just to play an old game and enjoy it. Some people play Counterstrike 1.6 still because they find it fun, some people play morrowind.

>confidence in nublizz, activision jews
name a thing they haven't fucked up in any of their games

>h-ha y-youre just making that up
ok zoomer trash.

honest question, would you prefer a realm merger later down the road vs layering? I was on a realm that got merged and IMO it kills both realms way worse than LFG tool or LFR ever did.

they're already getting free money from the current version of WoW, Overwatch lootboxes, Hearthstone digital card packs, etc.
How about they just give us the game we paid for without an ongoing fee?

whatever makes you feel better about your gay dead server and all the things you didn't do on it.

>PVE
>dead server
>had to get merged

eat a dick, faggot

I wouldn't be rolling on a dead server this time, either. Mine worked just fine. No sharding, no merger, no nothing.

Got to disagree with you there. Nost was half guesswork, and it shows. I'm in this current beta and it's not the same.

The blue posts do point out all the shit people thought were bugs aren't. It's just when it's been 15 years, you trick yourself into thinking Nost was authentic because it's too hard to recall the particulars about the original.

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Yes it's bad.
Whats also bad is the majority of the server population condensed into the starting zones.
Even with a queue and even with faster respawn times, there would be far too many people playing in that one area.
Layering / sharding-lite is a compromise so people can actually play the game instead of waiting, which is why they've stated it's going away after a month.
Gives time for the population to spread out and die down once the bandwagoners fuck off.
Whether it actually does go away after a month is the issue, and something to keep poking the classic devs with.

kill layering
it is just mimicking crossrealm
it's a piece of trash non-vanillla feature for zoomers who want to layer hop and get their elites
fucking scum will abuse this shit and devalue what classic is meant for

> (You)
>not even gonna dignify a shill this obvious with a real response
lmao how seething are you that I am a real person?

lol youre waiting with baited breath for classic wow and yet you already realize someone's experience at the absolute peak is ultimately meaningless
experiencing much cognitive dissonance are you? 100% pure cope

>starting zones
And every other zone in the game? Why are they sharded?

>muh authentic
Dumbass. Slightly different loot drops or an exclamation point here or there doesn't significantly change the game.

>bandwagoners fuck off
kill layering and the queue times alone will convince zoomer faggots to fuck off back to bfa and farm their worthless garbage

Thank you for the (You)

How trash is your life? It's a video game. You're sperging "I PLAYED FINAL FANTASY 7 ON RELEASE AND NOOOOOBODY COULD POSSIBLY PLAY IT AND ENJOY IT TODAY BECAUSE I ENJOYED IT 3405 YEARS AGO!". Nobody gives a fuck.

Yes, but it will probably have restrictions ala the shit that killed WQGF. You're not going to be able to manually swap layers, and I'd bet they put hidden timers on shit so you can't hop around and dick elites all day (not that it would be worth it early level anyways).

Like, your friend invites you, you go to his layer, the elite isn't there, so you two go to another friends layer and it IS there, but YOU get no loot as you killed it X amount of time ago.

Yeah, shit's not perfect but ghosttown realms and servers that make me loot one mob every 30 minutes are fucking worse.

I would agree with you 100% if it wasn't going away after Ph 1.

you're the one waiting for a game that is essentially nostalgia bait for incel retards and i'm the one with a trash life?
nah kid, im pretty sure you know who's life is trash.
have a great weekend. or that's what i'd say if i believed you had a job and that weekends meant anything to you.

I was rank 13 and my best buddy was GM, Firetree US.

We're peak, not you; faggot. I just thought it was stupid to try to e-flex on an anonymous Mongolian basket weaving forum, but you'll get super asspained and reply so it's worth it.

Everyone's hyped, it's going to do well, retail is doomed AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP IT NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU POST ON THE 4CHINS HAHAHAHAHAHA

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>armor values were guesses
>spawn rates were guesses
>values for damage were guesses
>drops were guesses
>regen was already shown to be way off

I mean, I guess if you consider that authentic, then sure. I would suggest to skip Classic and just play on a private server still. Going to be plenty of poor BRs and RUs who do so.

lmao get a fucking life

layering is there, and sometime after release it wont be there

what the big fucking deal

Presumeably because of the way it works, they've stated that you dont change layer by moving between zones, which nessescitates that the entire game world be layered and is probably simpler to accomplish on the code side of things.
So instead of
>Redridge 1
>Redridge 2
>Redridge 3
in retail
It's
>Easternkingdoms 1
>Easternkingdoms 2
>Easternkingdoms 3
in classic.
Presumeably, i dont actually know.

Except they probably also want those same zoomer faggots to potentially see classic wow as an alternative to retail.
>Content drought in retail.
>Play classic instead.
And vice versa for the people primarily playing classic, their ideal situation is for players to double dip both games (no matter how unlikely that is) because it practically doubles the amount of content they provide for barely any work, relatively.
Which is probably also the main reason it's tied into the existing sub.

It's not about loot drops, it's about mobs having completely different spells, armour and resistance values.

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one of the phases has the end expac invasion event. I would not be surprised to see the game go into TBC. I would be super fucking hyped.

I don't think they can ever unfuck retail, to be honest. The classes just lost all flavor and joy to play for me.

>implying I'm not going to enjoy it a ton fucking more now as an adult with a house and career over the barely out of high school kid I was in Vanilla, playing it to distract myself from how uncertain my future was
LOL, projection: the image macro right there

lmao

ITT: seething retail trannies assblasted that their achievements will be gone, and ebin shillposters who will just accuse blizzard of whatever the fuck just because for the trollz
and legit butthurt retards who think TEMPORAL layering to handle an enourmous influz of zoomer tourists for the first week is BAD FOR THE GAME

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>temporal layering
fuck year, I knew the Bronze Dragonflight would really making going home again REALLY going home

No, dumbass. They've already shown they can shard per-zone. That's the default implementation. They've had it up and running for years. It's entirely possible, they had to change it specifically FROM doing that. So, why? Why shard the rest? You haven't given one reason to.

I can't wait for the bandwagon to crash after the first months of classic
>blizzard fucked up classic, they didnt make me 10 years younger and go back in time
The game is gonna have a massive drop in players so quick it will be ridiculous

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because each layer is said to be the capacity of an old vanilla server. They want it to still be a chaotic clusterfuck, but without the server melting, or dying off as people stop playing.

This shit will do well, but there WILL be a huge dropoff as zoomies hit level 25-30.

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retail is dead and dying, sorry bud. You can't change that. 30 bucks for 2 months of fun if it does die is perfectly fine by me.

VC

classic will have more players than retail for a month then it will sadly drop until it looks like an aborted fetus compared to old man retail and Blizzard will love it

>asmongold hates it
>musclebrah hates it
>sodapoppin hates it
>preach hates it
>crendor hates it
>tips out hates it
>nobble hate it
>only our girls rickettoo and savix like it

What went so horrible wrong, classic bros?

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only 2 months of fun from your perfect MMO? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I watched that podcast they were all on today and they all loved it. Is the retailkid strategy to just lie about Classic now?

>perfect MMO
Sorry r/MMORPG, but there is no such thing. I know you don't want to hear that as you download your 56th Korean grinder in hopes that this one will be the one, but it's how it is.

The genre blows. Classic is better than retail, but it's hardly a perfect game. You can fuck off back to there, now.

Region: NA
Server: Frostmourne
Shard: 24
Layer: 8

Home.

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And? You said it's needed for the starting zones. I asked you why then, the ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD is sharded. Why? Answer the question, or keep your mouth shut. I'm tired of talking in circles.

clips.twitch.tv/DifficultProtectivePlumPhilosoraptor

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF LAYERING

I wish they would make a containment realm and force all the streamer faggots and their zoomer legions to play on that server only

My hope is that they go all the way up to the end of wrath at least.
And then maybe do a reset back to vanilla or make their own shit.
>Fight alganon.
>Instead of CITIZENS OF DALARAN on world first kill he tells the raid "Nah fuck you re-originating anyway."
>Global timer of a couple weeks starts.
>Server resets back to vanilla once it ends.

Because they dont want you to change shards when moving between zones.
If each shard is seperated by zone, the game would have to calculate which shards in zone A correspond to which shards in zone B and ensure a player seamlessly transfers between them.
In the hypothetical situation where goldshire 1 is populated to max when a guy from northshire 1 tries to enter, where can he go?
It's much easier and more efficient to just have the entire game world be layered.

Youtube and twitch e-celebs with their large followings and groups behind them will absolutely kill and ruin classic

enjoy all those guys getting fed every item possible
enjoy gamer grils having dozens of whiteknights around her carrying her to the first thunderfury on her server

I am not whomever you think you are talking to. I answered as to why the world is layered how it is. If you couldn't understand that, or didn't like the answer, too fucking bad.

Then maybe next time you decide to butt in you should check to see what we're talking about so you can make a comment that's in any way relevant.

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God Tier
>F Tauren, F Gnome, F Troll (Melee)

High Tier
>F Nelf, F Undead, F Human. F Troll (Caster)

Normal Tier
>F Dwarf, M Nelf, M Tauren, F Troll (Hunter), F Orc, M Troll

Picked soley for racials but too insecure to play a better female model
>M Dwarf, M Undead, M Human, M Gnome, M Orc

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how will some thot getting items or Asmondgold getting world first whatever affect my gameplay and "ruin" it for me?

I wasn't going to be Grand Marshal or Scarab Lord anyways because I'm not some delusional NEET

>retards asks question
>answer it
>NO I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANSWER THIS OTHER THING INSTEAD
whatever you say, paint eater.

>tfw no F Tauren lass to cuddle with

Just end me

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i'm tall, and thicc and have a girldick...

I said lass

zoomers will hate that they are playing classic in a millenial era

Only coping homosexuals think playing a female character is a good thing
There is no bigger red flag in an mmo than someone who plays a female character

Which legendary are you hoping to get someday, user?

my gp, a psychiatrist and a psychologist, the government say im a girl

No, it's not "easier" than the solution they already had up and running before they even considered doing classic, nor the one they had decades prior when classic was current. And you still haven't given a single actual reason as to why the rest of the world should be sharded, so all we're left with is pvp ruined, the questing experience out of whack, and the economy destroyed for... nothing.
A monumental fuckup by all accounts.

idc fuck off

cared enough to respond

>list of things that won't happen
>honor system won't be added when layering is in the game
>world bosses won't be added when layering is in the game
>some retard trying to have his friends invite him one at a time to try to triple mine an ore at a slower pace than just going to another one will destroy the economy
I mean, I 'm not in favor of sharding at all really, but come the fuck on

fat tranny please stop

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Gonna roll tauren female hunter, seems líke the most fitting

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thicc not fat

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>list of things that won't happen
Who in the world are you quoting?
Lurk more, son.

FUCK ALLIANCE FURRIES AND GAYBOYS
ORC CUNNY IS BEST CUNNY
Heh.... faggots BTFO once again......
Post battlestation, horde bros

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>so all we're left with is pvp ruined, the questing experience out of whack, and the economy destroyed for... nothing
Do you need a fucking Webster's link so you can understand the meaning of the word list or something?

Do you literally have a soft ass head or something?

You're just stating that it's not easier without saying why, can you give an actual reason?
I've given a possible reason for why the existing system is not suitable, in that it requires calculating between shards everytime someone moves a zone.
And i did give a reason for sharding the entire world, their own stated goal of not wanting people to change shards when moving between zones.

>not wanting people to change shards when moving between zones.
Yeah, you know what else has that effect? Not fucking sharding the rest of the world to begin with. If you've really gotta have your sacrificial lamb there's no reason to drag the rest of the game down with it.
>I've given a possible reason
You've been talking out of your ass.

I can't remember the last time I saw a game generate so much funposting on Yea Forums.

Bloodborne? Breath of the Wild? 6th Gen consolewar funposting? I think Classic has them all beat.

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>all threads are pure shitposting
>fun

If this is your idea of fun, sure user.

>who's hate it

Thank fuck streaming culture is fucking cancer

>Shard each zone individually, force game world to calculate player capacity between zones, random pop ins of players and npcs as people switch over. (retail)
>Shard X number of zones individually with a final "prime" shard for everything else, force game world to calculate player capacity between zones and prime shard, random pop ins of players and npcs as people switch over. (What you presumably want, aside from the obvious no sharding at all)
>Shard entire game world, force game world to calculate player capacity when someone logs or joins a group, one time pop-in of players and npcs as you switch over. (What they're doing)
For something that will only be used for a month (By their own statements, it remains to be seen if they stick with that) the 3rd thing is far less resource intensive, more than likely far easier to make on the code side of things, and finally much closer to the stated community ideal of a seamless world.
I do not like sharding, but it is a nessesary evil due to the sheer amount of people that will be bottlenecked, as the alternative is not playing the game at all.

/thread

>starts talking computer time
re-allocating players is trivial, and no, obviously not having to do it at all is even cheaper
it's irrelevant and wrong
>but it is a nessesary evil
>the alternative is not playing the game at all.
Wrong. Game's come out once already and it was fine. Didn't have to ruin the entire game to make the 1-5 experience a little smoother.

>Zone Phasing
clips.twitch.tv/MoralAgileCatTwitchRPG

UMMM CLASSICTARDS ISN'T THIS THE ENTIRE POINT OF (((LAYERING))) TO PREVENT THIS?

It wouldn't be just 1-5 though.
The games grind ramps up at level 20-30 which is probably when most zoomer quits will happen.
Those level ranges are really close together in terms of zones, and without mounts people will be running between them, particularly 'hub' zones like barrens or goldshire.
Barrens especially since you have Orcs, Trolls and Tauren all converging on the damn place.
You're also underestimating the significantly larger amount of people that will be flooding classic compared to who previously played it, even without taking into account the standard clusterfuck that is expansion launches.
I'd rather they overprepare for the first month and ensure a good launch rather than have it full of bugs and bullshit that drives people away.
I want classic to do well, and that requires people being able to actually play the game, including people who are playing it for the first time and dont know what to expect.

Yes, yes, ruining the entire game to make 1-20 a little smoother. It's still retarded.

>or phasing through

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The majority of people playing the game wouldn't even be close to 60 at that point they remove it, especially if the current retail mentality of individualism carries over for a bit.
The early game is the most crucial moment of time to ensuring player retention, so it makes sense they prioritize that for the big rush of new players they expect.

>The majority of people playing the game wouldn't even be close to 60 at that point they remove it
So why shard high level areas?

NOO STOP IT
WOW CLASSIC IS GOING TO BE PERFECT STOPSTOSOTP

>random e-celeb faggots don't like a game so I shouldn't
This is how people that watch streamers actually think. This guy has probably donated tons of money to streamers. Sad!

Okay at this point we're just going in circles, i've already said why they are doing that here which you just dismissed as 'irrelevant and wrong'
I believe it's easier on the technical side of things to just make a few big shards rather than lots of smaller shards, when taking into account that they dont want people switching shards between zones.
If you can provide evidence that points me towards that being incorrect, i'll change my mind, but otherwise i dont think there's anything else to say other than a mutual "Sharding is shit."

>it's easier on the technical side of things to just make a few big shards
Yeah, like a server.
>I believe
>i'll change my mind

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What an annoying little baby. He was going to live just fine. Dramatic cunts can't handle some bugs that will be fixed by release.

>mfw layering only exists so zoomers can play on their streamer's server
I hate the nu-internet sage

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>tfw going home

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I nutted to this picture so many times when it was first posted ages ago. Made a female tauren hunter because of it, even with the fem tauren old woman voices.

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I want to play a Warrior as I enjoy the levelling challenge and like tanking. However, I'm not sure on race or faction.

I like Human, Dwarf, Tauren and Orc for different reasons.

What do you guys reckon?

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>tfw actually played vanilla unlike a lot of people shilling it but all I did was stupid shit like name a warlock evilguy and run to Feralas on a level 20-something gnome rogue.

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Female human

I recently got back my very first account, my highest character was a ~20 human male warrior in the STV graveyard with nothing but a staff equipped.

Why is Yea Forums so underage? How dumb were when you could not get to 60? I had two 60's.

Convince me not to make a night elf female again.

God damn I love elves.

>Thinking you're special
Vanilla wow was extremely popular and millions of people played it. Most of them did not reach 60, when people say they "played vanilla wow" they mean they did what you did and got to level 20. In summary, eat shit stupid animeposter.

>Being this dumb
classic.wowhead.com/news=291722/layering-in-classic-wow

sharding sucks

you will be a slut, my slut.

I'm no cookie cutter porno addict m8

>not just swapping nelf animations onto humans/trolls

I got level 60 characters on a different account, to be fair I was probably just dicking around since I knew I was going to change account.

Their animations are the worst part

you're insane

clips.twitch.tv/DifficultProtectivePlumPhilosoraptor
clips.twitch.tv/MoralAgileCatTwitchRPG

got ya covered fampai

>I'm going to link Beta footage to prove my point!
It does, but i can live with it for 2 weaks.
If they break their promise by then, i'm on the same boat as you guys.

Bump

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Then dwarf or troll male.

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>leveling challenge
its not challenging its just slow

All people are from YOUR server, it's not just random servers all being combined together. So only hugely popular servers will even manage to create multiple layers. And Optimistically they want to remove this technology after 1month when most "tourists" have left the game. These layers also consist of a population size of an entire Classic WoW server originally, it's not like you'll be expecting to see more than that. If you thought Vanilla was populated, that's how big these layers are. Another layer is only created when the necessity is drastic. Plus since it only consists of people that are from your realm, then maybe 1 day you're in layer 1, and maybe 1 day you're in layer 2. Regardless of which one you end up in you'll be still seeing the same faces who are ending up in the same layers as you are. Like if I log in at 5 and you log in at 5 everyday we'll probably both be in the same layer regularly.

yea, because server can not have so many people at once, even tho russian bootleg emulator can

their servers can handle the load, but as the devs themselves said, a thousand level 1 humans on elwynn forest is not exactly a smooth experience. That being said, once the tourists all go off and the people spread, they will remove layering. Ion said himself that he WILL remove it and that that's a PROMISE.

Are you ready to donate to your favorite girl gamer streamer that gets carried through molten core and has Sulfuras and thunderfury handed to her?

>PROMISE
youtube.com/watch?v=g_wmwazYnrA

>not posting tell me lies

It doesn't take months to get out of fucking northshire. No one would care if it was for one day. But every zone in the game, for months? That's bullshit, plain and simple.

Chinese need fields to farm

>You’re disappointed that they’re doing something necessary to the game?
it wasn't necessary in 2004 so why is it necessary now?

If you look at asmon or sodas YouTube videos they are exclusively sucking classics dick, I couldn’t even get down a quarter of your list before I recognized how much bullshit you’re spewing mate

It was necessary in 2004, are you completely unaware of how much of a fiasco the original launch of WoW was? Servers were constantly down for nearly 2 weeks.

>If you look at asmon or sodas
fuck off back to your pretend friends, fag

He's an xivtransfreak he knows when we classic bulls WIN his entire existence will be null and he'll be killed.

EU launch was fine.

weeks, not months
come on man, give them a break! imagine the complaints of the zoomers if they couldn't kill hogger because there's a hundred people waiting in line for him
Just wait for a few weeks, and it will be GONE for good, forever
please

Honestly can't wait to play a version of WoW that doesn't force me to log every day to farm some shitty dailies to power up my necklace or whatever fotm artifact of the expansion. Most of my bros from retail are gonna play too, and none of us are playing retail anymore.

i wish every streamer would die a painful, long, bloody death
complete cancer every single one of them and they are actively ruining the game

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its spatial layering, not temporal
multi-spatial actually

Yeah only the first few months aka the most important time. Then when the game is dead they get rid of it

Underrated post.

being a vanilla fan was comfy before redditfags started to ride the wave
with them comes all the stale forced memes we see now. all the blind brand loyalty, the shilling, the shitty e-celeb cocksucking and all the zoomers larping as le epic oldfag because they watched some e-celeb video and played a private server once
i unironically wish classic didn't exist

I knew that classic was popular, but I'm really surprised with all the excitement for the release.
Old friends from high school, colleagues, university friends, pretty much everyone I know has been talking about it.

kek

it's just nostalgia bro!!!!

for the retards thinking that
>hurr durr layering will kill classick
here is an actual diagram explaining how it will work. It's only going to be in for the first week or so. Did you really expect blizz to let the servers crash at launch?

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not how layering works zoomer

Yes. The true classic experience must be preserved. Jank, crashes and all.

sharding sucks

it wont kill classic because the reddit blizzshill hype train is already in full force
blizzard can do anything now and they'll all play it and praise it regardless and layering is the prime example of that

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Two issues I have with your post:

1) That image seems to tie sharding to cross-realm - this is not inherently the case.
2) "No changes" types have adopted an absolutist attitude that is impossible to compromise with because it presupposes a total lack of changes - the benefit of a change is completely irrelevant to the fact that it is a change, and therefore unacceptable. I don't share this mindset but I can understand it.

shut up zoomer

>the benefit of a change is completely irrelevant
Sharding is not beneficial.

This poster is saying that there's a benefit. I'm not arguing whether he's right or not.

>is saying
Ok?
He can say he's Napoleon, what does that matter?

I'm trying to explain to him that it doesn't matter. I think you've completely missed my point.

I think you have. The reason people don't like sharding isn't because they're rabid fanatics frothing at the mouth. It's because sharding fucking sucks.
You don't hear any complaints about the integrated voice chat, because it doesn't ruin the fucking game.

this a million times

Layering is ultimately a short term band-aid solution for a problem that will only really exist for 2 weeks at the most and it sets a very dangerous precedent. That was the entire point behind the no changes argument. There are plenty of little things I would like tweaked about Vanilla but by allowing everybody to start seriously entertaining that then they all each get their own unique vision of how the game should be and it will never end and nobody will ever be satisfied. By firmly putting the foot down on changes it would force people to love the game for what it is which ultimately would be the easiest way to please the largest amount of people. The slippery slope is very real.

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they aren't going to do. You think that a triple A company will allow their servers to crash at launch?

>wowee! mom! I'm going to play a fully geared warrior like all of those le epic youtubers told me is the strongest class in wow! I will be one-shotting n00bs in pvp!

enjoy looking like a special needs kid in your BiS gear.

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I was trying to adopt the position of the layerposter to better convince him that any supposed benefits don't matter. You aren't doing me any favours by claiming that detractors of layering aren't rabid then use hyperbolic language in the same breath.

>enjoy looking like a special needs kid in your BiS gear.
unironically looking forward to this

wow this looks even worse than le clownsuit meme from burning crusade
feels good to play a class that gets to wear my tier

Oh, how awful. It's always been my goal in life to be useful to you. Get over yourself, fag.

>I'm going to link Beta footage to prove my point!
yeah? why is it not valid? the beta is quite recent, in case you are retarded and are thinking of the alpha

spotted the tranny

Its never going away. It was only supposed to be for starter zones, but now it's in all zones, they keep lying to you and you keep believing them

no... blizzard is my friend... they would never lie to me...

Blizzard games beta = release. They never even fix bugs in wow expansions that get reported 10000 times

>It was only supposed to be for starter zones
I keep seeing this on Yea Forums, but did they ever make this an official stance? I only saw some obscure posts that said it was a possibility.

I fucking hate those Bethesda shills, stop talking about Bethesda! This is classic thread and Bethesda not going to stop us from going home.

Its never going away cuck. After 3 months they'll say the player base likes it and they are keeping it

>slightly older zoomers being excited for the return of a themepark carebear MMO fighting slightly younger zoomers who play a different version of the same shit

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Zoomers don't play MMO.

>hating blizzard becomes the consensus due to how they've handled the game over the last decade and how they also handled starcraft 2 and diablo 3
>announces classic
>reddit s_oys forget the last 10 years and blizzshill like its 2006 again, blizzard are perfect and can do no wrong and their my best friend and they care about me!!! We're going HOME brehs!!

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How do you go to another layer?

who the fuck wants to play alliance
literal disneyland faggots eating White Castle in their designated faggot White Castle huts in the middle of every zone (complete with some vendors, less quests then horde and FP ofc oh and sometimes there is even a boat or free transport thrown in) while running away from anything that moves alone only despite rolling for pve racials but actually always 1vNPCing to use them
then porting into their literal disneyland faggot White Castle city called "stormwind" more like fartwind lol blizzard literally took some german shithole town and copy pasted it into wow to give that authentic faggot to the faction le non monster races br0 check out these SHOES so mundane better name myself something lame like johnny to fit in btw get owned kid totally bubble hearthed out of that 1v1 close one
you want a sick capital city to afk in br0? take your pick:

- literal tree shithole with aids and bear feces everywhere
- some fucking retarded mine thing where you fall off into lava and die
- literal faggot White Castle german city

YES

SHOES

YES SHOES

Y E S S H O E S
F A G G O T

FUCK YOU ALLIANCE FAGGOTS

forgot how much fun tanking is before wrath

exactly, they CHANGED things to add layering, but after few months they will be like "Its working, so we dont want to change anything" and keep this shit

Layering is literally just Blizzspeak for overflow servers.
Prove me wrong.

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Ain't that big of a pipe dream, get rich as fuck playing AH to buy Sulfuras and then grind out PvP rank 13, which isn't as crazy hard as 14

>watching kargoz stream
>wtf why aren't there more boars here
>wtf why does my dagger vendor for 7 copper
>wtf why am I doing so much melee damage
>wtf why are these boars so easy to kill
>wtf why is my regen so high

I'm so grateful for the classic wow beta exposing private server fags so hard.

Well consider Classic free bonus for paying for retail (kek) if that makes you sleep better

it will happen anyway. all of this planning for server stability with layering still won't solve the issue because actiblizz are incompetent hacks. screencap this post.

I got into WoW too late and hated it, I was so annoyed that there were two "factions' that basically did limited interaction via instanced PVP zones. I wanted areas on the map to actually change hands - apparently warhammer online had this.

what's classic like?

Layering is Blizzard finally finding a way to merge realms without having to say they're merging realms.

mostly the same

naive goyim

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Zones don't change hands in vanilla. PvP is either world PvP or battlegrounds - the only real differences from TBC/Wrath are no arenas and no flying.

Now this is based

Similar, but if you roll on a PvP server the areas after level 15 are PvP zones

People keep bringing up layer hopping but never go into detail on how to feasibly do it? Blizzard hasn't come out with any information atm to suggest there will be a switch layer option and as far as we can tell joining a friend in another layer permanently switches you to that layer unless you somehow have 3 seperate friends in all 3 layers to hop to it isn't very likely.
The real problem with layering is guilds establishing 3 different branches in each layer.

>what's classic like?
More faction pride because you're not really supposed to talk cross faction and the lore isn't full of cringy "let's hold hands to defeat da old godz lol" shit so you actually feel at war with the other guys

Plus faction exclusive classes

what does pvp zone mean (i get it means players are attacking each other, but can they change hands? and whats the point in engaging in pvp)

Are you stupid?

Zones don't change hands.
The point of PvP at the start of vanilla is to be a dickhead to people on the other faction, but later on they introduce a rewards system for it.

>the cuck paladin vs the CHAD DK

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#showtooltip
/invite [button:1] Layer1Friend; Layer2Friend

Druchads>warrniggers

>100 days,
>at least 4 threads a day
>400 more home threads to go
comfy
playing undead mage

>mfw lay your hands on some ne sluts' bodies and they love it so much they run after you and heal you till the end of the BG

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>post cata bright nights
Please tell me this isn't true.

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I don’t think it looks bad, I think it’s exasperated by the fact it’s massive pauldrons on a fucking Tauren, but orc shitters will be facing the same issue, but this set probably looks fine on any other race

i remember being disappointed finding out WoW's content was PVE raiding and that all new patches catered 99% to this during vanilla

Orc or NElf hunter?

>exasperated

I would be excited about this if they released it 2 or 3 years ago, but I've already maxed on two different servers and gone through the "classic experience" so It's kind of too late. Also I realized that I really don't care for WoW at all, the story and the combat, it's all fucking garbage, retail and classic. I can't believe people are excited for this shit. Can WoW just die already? It's about time we do away with the Everquest clones and move to something else after the 20+ years we've fucking had it.

nelf for shadowmeld aimed shot memes

Idk about you user but his pauldrons being twice the size of his head each sure exasperates me

If you ever played a WoW expansion at launch you would know exactly why this is necessary. The game is fucking unplayable for over a week.

>mfw I [death grip] my dick

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Except you can't just CHANGE layers like that, you stupid fucks.

>people excited for Classic when streamers are going to end up ruining the economies on each server

>people excited for classic when the zoomer playerbase is gonna ruin it with minmaxing faggotry
Classic could have been great if it weren't for fucking zoomers and streamers

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on NA,streamers are going to be on PvE servers, and on EU there is barely any streamer faggots at all

>Still no blue post about Layering
They know it's shit and flies in the face of what vanilla was all about and that's why they're obfuscating it behind several different interviews. I'm not going to resub to Classic when the early content will be ruined by putting me into a different virtual realm every time I log in, destroying any chance for a genuine community to build up over time, and then later content getting ruined when the virtual realms all merge together when they disable layering so that now there's a shit ton of people running around that I've never seen before. Server transfers and mergers already took a heavy toll on communities as limited as they were in actual vanilla, this is just going to be stupid.

>Server transfers and mergers already took a heavy toll on communities
Now Dynamic Merges and Dynamic Transfers! Only in classic!

I'm maining an Alliance warlock and can't decide on race.

Human for the aethstetic.

dwarf is pretty cool

You are not going “home”.
You are going back to an empty reconstruction of home with none of the same people that made that home what it was.
In Vanilla, you didn’t have Twitch streamers/E-celebs and the awful fanbases that come with them.
You didn’t have Discord.
And most importantly, you didn’t have the landscape of the modern internet. People won’t magically start talking and interacting with each other again just because group finder is gone. Dungeon groups will be just as quiet as retail.
Modern online games are antisocial because the modern playerbase has become antisocial.
You can bring back the game but you can’t bring back 2004 internet.

you are just being overly negative

post chin

Male human vs either gnome.
Yes it's aesthetic vs way better racials. I'll absolutely have 300 engineering and 315 makes engie trinkets and summons stronger.
Escape Artist is how good? Warlocks mostly make others run from them with fears, being immobilized shouldn't matter much or?
The 5% more int is nearly useless even in full BiS, like 100 more hp and 0.33% spellcrit.

But humans display gear the best in the game, whereas gnomes do one of the worst armor displays.
Male gnomes have ONE good appearance including full beard, otherwise just full meme pink or green hair and stupid name.
Fem gnome is sorta cute but I don't wanna be seen as a pedo.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
NICE

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>vanilla experince
KEK

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escape artist can remove shit like mage freeze and hamstring, definitely the better choice for pvp