WoW is beyond saving

At least it's not kickstarter shit. How's crowfall doing?

>They're so out of touch, they treated a mobile game as a major announcement.
Clown World

YA EVER HEARD OF FUCKIN RUNESCAPE PAL. Its really fun.

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>gook shit
LMAO

>KR
No thanks. As pretty as the visuals are most KR mmos are unoptimized pieces of shit with the most ugliest UI's.

So are these written about those three retards on the bottom left?
It doesn’t say written by: so I will assume this is written about the three retarded Indians in the bottom left.

Yeah, I'm thinking MMOs are back.
We're going home, bros. We're going home... Back to the skies, where we belong.

Yep. I'm on the AIRship now.

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Drink your monster, grandpa.

What is that vile thing in the middle?

>BDO on the right track

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The meme race. It looks alright in some shots, in others it looks like a freakish mascot costume.
Read up on what BDO was like in alpha, and what was planned.

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Looks disgusting.

It would look a lot better is the heads were half the size. Maybe that'll be something you can do in creation.

Who gives a shit what it was like in Alpha, its a pay2win PVP focused grindfest. The absolute worst possible trio. Sure the combat and the animations look nice and you can make cumsluts but without high level PVE content who cares.

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name one good korean mmorpg

When someone says something or someone is 'on the right track' that doesn't mean they've reached the desired end goal. It means they're on course toward it. So who gives a shit what it was like in alpha? You should, because that was the point. Now you just look like a complete fool arguing something that was never in question.

Name one good western mmorpg

>another soulless azn mmo to play for 1 day maximum

>korean "game"
nomegalol

I had no idea Yea Forums was so full of racists.

Looks neat.

Everquest.

ragnarok

"Fool me once."
Korean MMOs always end up garbage.
They might start out fine, or even good, but eventually the developer always makes them worse as time goes on and it doesn't make as much money as they were hoping.

>Ragnorak
I really hope you are joking.

I could say the same but I didn't want to shit on you just for a shit opinion.

>yo..you should care! fool!
Jesus

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>Korean MMO
Did Bless, BnS, Aion, BDO, TERA, ToS, and the myriad more cash and grab MMO's not humble you enough user?

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I just want something new so I don't have to jump into a community full of veterans who know the game inside out.

You really think Ragnarok is better than Everquest?
In any way shape or form?
Please, explain your reasoning.

>The game series that redefined MMO's henceforth, being such a staple it was the backbone of World of Warcraft and FFXI
>Versus a game 95% of the people on here misconstrued because of their 10x/10x/10x servers
your spiritual successor is a heaping hunk of diarrhea known as ToS, your ACTUAL successor, RO2 died faster than a fetus in California

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You told me to name a good kmmo, not one that's better than your favorite western one.
>The game series that redefined MMO's henceforth
I guess that's why the only upcoming mmo that follows in everquest's footsteps had to use kickstarter to get off the ground. I do hope pantheon ends up good though.

I didn't tell you to name anything retard.
I answered your challenge to name a good western MMO.
This was my first post in this thread.

ESO is the best mmo right now. Eat shit.

>FFXIV is stale
>gets its biggest expansion yet in 2 months
>posts korean grinder P2W plastic garbage #3214

Some people simply have utter shit taste. I have a friend who says BnS has a better artstyle than FFXIV, for example. He doesn't think all the characters look like fake plastic people, he thinks they look amazing. You just can't get into the minds of these people, they will never aquire a better taste in those things.

So you just butt into a conversation between me an another user? Pretty rude, don't you think?

Something about the combat feels very off to me. Like it's a mix of how light attacks work, heavy attacks, and the spell animation locks. Hell I don't even mind the weapon switch thing that much, and people complain about that all the time.

>korean mmo
>even the orc looks like a faggot
Hard pass

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>biggest expansion yet
You don't actually believe that do you? The fuckers can't even make complete headgear for the new races.

FFXIV is stale, not because of a lack of content, its from a lack of variety.
The art-style makes even the varied environments blend together monotonously.
That and the storyline is boring and predictable as fuck, making leveling boring as well.
"Oh what should I do, dungeon runs that get me way fucking more exp than quest grinding? Or grind quests pointlessly? Guess I'll dungeon grind. Oh look I can't progress because I haven't done enough quest grinding in this mindless slog of a storyline? Guess I'll do that for 4 hours until I unlock another dungeon."
Shit is gay nigga.

Seems like you aren't up to date my friend.

ESO is terrible because of the absurd horizontal scaling on everything. Level 1 guy is the same as level 345689 guy, just more 'options'. evil demon? same strength as a mud crab. you can make a new character and run straight to the end of the game and everything just scales 'to you'.

that makes for fucking garbage gameplay and character advancement. mud crabs are as powerful as daedrid princes because "LOL TAMRIEL UNLIMITU, IT SCALES WITH U, GO ANYWHERE XD"

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Yes, because that other user might not have known about EQ, and how it paved the way for every MMO to come since. Yes, even Korean ones.

>playing a story-focused game when you don't like the story
Maybe it's just you mate.

>That and the storyline is boring and predictable as fuck
Well I for one think it has some of the best storytelling out of any FF game but let me guess, you don't really like those to begin with, am I right?

FFXIV leveling on other jobs is boring as fuck, I agree. On your first job once you enter Heavensward it becomes kino though.

ESO has the worst combat I've ever experienced in an mmo

>story-focused game
Every RPG is story focused dipshit.
Doesn't mean you have to make it a chore to do.
I like some of the FF games sure.
Why would you assume that?
Square's mistake was letting the design team make an FF style story-line for an MMORPG.

How man Korean MMOs do I gotta play before I finally play a good one?

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ESO is actually quite nice but there is nothing worthwhile to do once you've done all the questlines that interest you. I don't mind that though because not every game needs thousands upon thousands of hours of playtime to be good. The same goes for GW2, a game that gets a lot of flak (most of it for good reason too) but I think it's quite fun to level and explore the world with all the jumping puzzles and events and stuff like that and once you hit the "endgame" simply stop playing, makes for a much better experience in my opinion.

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Because you think the goal of an MMO is to level up and enter the endgame as soon as possible. FFXIV simply isn't about that.

>Korean MMORPG
Actually dropped it there

Pretty much why I stopped playing. I heard it gets better from HW onward but that means going through the base game which is unbelievably garbage. I dont feel like playing a game that gets better after 20+ hours.

While I agree that ARR can be a chore I don't see the leveling experience as bad anymore ever since the changes that came with Stormblood. You level up fairly fast and the MSQ starting with Heavensward is (almost) entirely very engaging and interesting, at least compared to other FF games. Also the game has a big focus on side activities, I don't wanna know how much time alone I spent at the Gold Saucer.

While it does get A LOT better in HW I think you won't enjoy the game either way if you think ARR is "unbelievably garbage" honestly.

>arguably second/third biggest MMO on the market right now
>WOW SQUARE FUCKED UP HAHA

>you think the goal of an MMO is to level up and enter the endgame
It quite literally is.
Yup.
I got to 63 and straight up could not bring myself to log in anymore.
I tried really hard to get to where it was supposed to be fun, listened to the story, tried my level best to get immersed, but it just broke me eventually. I really could not listen to that little faggot whine anymore or I was going to chuck my monitor out the window.

>ADD koreagrinder monkeys unable to handle the kinografié that is FFXIVs story

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Not him but that speaks more to the quality of other mmos out right now. xiv does a lot of things wrong when it comes to design, mainly tying story to group content.

>It quite literally is.
No, there have been quite some MMOs by now that break the mold and offer different experiences. There's no rule that defines your expectation of what an MMO should be. If anything it's first and foremost about the fact that you play with other people, which FFXIV accomplishes obviously very well considering it's regarded as one of, if not THE most social MMO to play right now.

Eh, FF14's MSQ is a large part of the draw.
There are a few major factions of FF14 players
>furry erp retard lala faggots (see: elins of ff14)
>MSQ/Story/RP'ers (non ERP), people who love the plot, storyline, subcharacters and run around in character, but not furries or autistic, thirsty teenagers; just D&D-type nerds who spend half their monthly checks on fantasias and cash shop cosmetics
>hardcore raid elitists in an endless pissing contest on FFLOGS
pretty much all there is.
there's a bit of crossover, and smaller factions like
>people who play solely to fuck up the market boards and do nothing but craft, like EVE players trapped in ff14 due to sunk costs (time)
>small groups of people who wish they were hardcore raiders and act like it but cant actually play decently and so struggle on every fight and become toxic party-finder dipshits
and others. but it's mostly the top 3

>mainly tying story to group content
A mistake that they never repeated after ARR.

Its unironically trash. Probably one of the dullest mmos ive played in recent years.

>I don't see the leveling experience as bad anymore ever since the changes that came with Stormblood.
Well, yeah its not as bad obviously now that it is quicker to get through it, but really that just reinforces my point that it is bad to begin with.
The crafting was good I agree, one of my favorite parts of the game.
Yeah and it could be number 1 if it wasn't so bland.

You make it sound like none of the "factions" have a good reason to their playstyle or any genuine fun, which is bullshit.

They make dungeons and trials mandatory to the msq well past arr.

>kmmo

if you've played one, you've played them all

korean mmos are always trash
why do you keep getting hyped for them

Nah don't misread me, i'm part of the 'clear content in week 2 obsessively and then unsub' group. It's fun, but i'm well aware of what the groups are in the game. Anyone considering playing ought be aware of them too.
I don't think there's anything wrong with any of the groups except the first one. Lala/Elin faggot erp degenerates should be thrown off buildings.

Dude you haven't even seen like 20% of the game, just stop posting. I get that FFXIV has a terrible start for a new player, no arguing that, but please don't talk like the entire game is like that. It really, really isn't.

Oh that's what you meant. Well I guess some people don't like that but I honestly don't see the problem. If you really dislike it that much you can wait for Shadowbringers and do the dungeon with your NPC party.

Well I for one don't really fit in any of the factions because I do all of it. Yes even the ERP, cry about it.

>Classic will be a disappointment
lolno, and I have to say there's nothing more pathetic than shitting on vanilla in an attempt to shill a KOREAN MMO

>it's regarded as one of, if not THE most social MMO to play right now.
No it isn't, its just as antisocial as WoW.
No MMO with a cross server dungeon and raid finder and marketplace is a social MMO.

>They were on the right track with BDO. Then they got closer with archeage. 3rd time's the charm
Are you retarded? They release a new MMO every fucking week you demented fuck.

>weebshit

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im not sure marketing bots feel real hype

The high profile releases, not the dime a dozen mobile cash grabs, you retarded fuck.

I have been playing MMOs for well over 20 years now and FFXIVs playerbase is genuinely one of the most social and vocal ones I've ever encountered. Yes people don't talk much in a daily dungeon grind but the cities and hubs are filled to the brim with people just hanging out with each other. Add to that the exceptionally active housing and FC community and you never have to play alone.

>high profile releases
>literally the same game over and over again, same engine same artstyle same combat same quests same UI
Fucking delusional.

>Versus a game 95% of the people on here misconstrued
Nigga, no, it's one thing to want to prove a point that as a rule korea only puts out the most shitty all style no substance games on the market, it's another thing to outright lie and be a disingenuous fuck to do it. Ragnarok was an absolute best, it had everything that an MMO needed and got things right that no other game, including wow or everquest, did. Keep shitting on these garbage copypasted korean mmos, but leave Ragnarok out of it.

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i unironically liked it but this trailer doesnt do the justice

ingame you fly everywhere it is crazy

This, you can meet more friendly and active people in Limsa Lominsa alone over the course of a day than in other MMOs in months. I think the highly expressive and varied emote system helps quite a lot honestly.

Backpedal more, faggot.

>The high profile releases
There's no such thing as a "high profile release" from korea.

>You haven't even seen 20% of the game.
Oh if only mate.
My wife plays it, so I have watched almost all of the game. Watched all the announcement trailers and the fanfest shit and blah blah blah blah.
It's bland dude.
If you are super into FF storylines and art-styles, sure I could see how it would be different, but the simple fact is that unless you are that type of fan, the game is boring.

Why aren't you playing Ragnarok right now?

Tera, BDO, and archeage were all high profile releases. Blade and soul could've too if it didn't release 5 years too late.

If you're only interested in gameplay it also has the most challenging release raids of any MMO for the past ~10 years. Not that you'd ever see them with your shitter ass anyways.

>proceed through MSQ
>have to enter a dungeon
>can't enter, ilvl requirement 300
>my ilvl is like 280
>grind roulette for days for some shittyass currency to upgrade gear
>enter dungeon
>ilvl is synced anyway, doesn't matter what you're wearing
>clear the piss-easy dungeon
>move on with the MSQ
>another dungeon comes up an hour later
>ilvl requirement 340
>I'm 305
>FFFFFFFFFFF

XIV is some horse shit

>I watched my wife for literally 1000 hours play an MMO
You're fucked in the head or lying, mate.

>it also has the most challenging release raids of any MMO for the past ~10 years
I miss wildstar.

>>grind roulette for days for some shittyass currency to upgrade gear
That's where you're wrong. It's piss easy to get the leveling gear currency, you barely have to grind anything at all.

Because there's no pre-renewal server.

>I've been playing MMOs 20 years.
Yeah, me too buddy.
>the cities and hubs are filled to the brim with people just hanging out with each other.
Of course they are, they are hanging out with each other waiting for shit to do. Either for their queue or they are RP faggots.
Who the hell just sits in a city doing nothing in an MMO? That shit is boring.
A social MMO is one where you need to be social to progress, not where people just sit around talking with each other about shit other than the game.
>Housing
You mean real estate simulator 2019?

I had no idea such blatant redditors were allowed to post here.

Wildstars raids were also really fucking good, but stuff like A8S in FFXIV on release was ridiculously hard.

youtu.be/sUaYmgSzkR4

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>Who the hell just sits in a city doing nothing in an MMO? That shit is boring.
Zoomer.

>A social MMO is one where you need to be social to progress
It's almost impossible to beat any of the difficult content in FFXIV without having a group of people you can trust, so if that's your definition of a social MMO then it still applies just as well.

>generic korean soulless MMO
Fuck off

I bet you think people hanging out with each others in LotR:O are also just afk and "doing nothing". Maybe you have autism my friend.

>challenging release raids of any MMO for the past ~10 years.
Please.
ESO has harder raids than FFXIV.
And that is setting the bar low as fuck.
>shitter
I was the 3rd person to get the Warrior epic on my server in EQ buckaroo. You probably never even played pre-PoK.

>THIS generic korean grinder will be the one
just how much of a fucking zoomer are you

Stop shitposting dude, we're actually having a solid discussion here right now.

Unironically every korean mmo is garbage. They always have the same type of design, same type of gameplay, same type of combat, same type of character creation, same type of artstyle, and same type of mistakes. if its from korea or ncsoft especially, its a hard pass. Best mmo to come out of korea has been Tera and those guys fought tooth and nail to escape ncsoft and how badly that company has taken a steaming dump all over mmos, and they own pretty much every mmo in korea and that's why they are all the same, and if they don't own it directly they've influenced everything there so completely with their awful games that they all turn into ncsoft clones anyway.

Pretty much every korean mmo is an ncsoft clone, that's why they are all never going to be able to be better than bottom of the barrel.

F.U.C.K. O.F.F.

Oh fuck off.

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>ESO has harder raids than FFXIV.
Stopped reading here you’re either a bad troll or fucking moron, probably both.

We have our game setups next to each. Her screen is in my peripheral vision.
I've seen everything FFXIV has to offer.
Hard pass.

>ESO has harder raids than FFXIV.
Dumbest fucking post in the entire thread and I say that as someone who thinks FFXIV is shit.

>Korean MMO
Its pretty much slated to be utter shit, so much wasted potential in graphics, only to have insufferable spamshit gameplay.

Are you the same as ?
Because you very obviously haven't seen shit if you think the raids in FFXIV are easy. Or your wife never entered Savage content, which is much more likely.

Please undelstand
90% of budget went to chara creation

youtube.com/watch?v=3YgIgXzB8yg

>kr
would rather eat shit

I don't get why people say these korean MMOs have good graphics, everything looks like it's made out of plastic or something.

Classic is already proving to be good.

>unironically replying to the ESO retard

>I play video games to socialize.
Shitter.
>any of the difficult content.
So like the highest difficulty raids?
You realize that leaves like 99% of the content not requiring any sociability right?
>I bet you think
Shut up faggot you don't know me at all.

Probably no gear progression

>that price tag
>monthly subscription on top of it.

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ESO is just b2p, not sub based

Kim Chong Hong
If you have to shill your pile of horseshit atleast post some material next time
youtube.com/watch?v=otYC0ueWA6M

Why are all Korean MMOs like this? They put all their effort into character creation and character models looking pretty, then they just forget to build a good game around that. What is going on in that nation to cause this to happen every single fucking time?

It's freemium, there's no two ways around that.

Fuck you fanboy newfags, get an argument and come back.
>YOU JUST DON'T KNOW MAN
Sorry for your anal devastation.
Again, I've been playing MMOs for longer than you have likely been alive.
Its a shit game. Deal with it.

They have growth lazy
They should get invaded by north korea for real

>no gear progression
AIR is all about gear progression

>Shitter.
The debate was about if FFXIV was a social MMO, not if socializing in the game itself is good or bad. Nice backpedaling.
>You realize that leaves like 99% of the content not requiring any sociability right?
Please define "requiring" in this context, because quite a lot of content in the game does indeed require you to engage with another person. How much is up to you and depending on the content itself.

how the fuck does every single one of these korean MMOs look like the exact same with a slightly different UI

cause they make and play games where you can be social

Gooks are literal NPCs

>token animal character
every
single
fucking
time

>no arguments left
>I'm not a zoomer guys even though the notion of sitting in an MMO town TALKING to others is ridiculous to me!
You may be 40 years old, I don't care, you don't know SHIT about MMOs. Back in Ultima all we've done is fuck around in cities talking to each other, most of the time we barely did anything at all, and it was fucking great.

>Nice backpedaling.
I explained that a social MMO is one that being social is required to progress, not one where people RP and sit around cities complaining about their IRL shit.
If you can't get that through your head that isn't my problem dumbass.
>because quite a lot of content in the game does indeed require you to engage with another person.
Yeah, I know, the 1% where you have to search out a group of people competent enough to do easy ass raids.
As I said, any MMO with a cross server dungeon and raid finder, and marketplace, is not a social MMO.

Yeah but can't you have endearing gameplay or design while achieving that? Is looking like a KPop idol a requisite for socialization? Korea is a baffling land, I heard they get conscripted for a year or two in the military as well, and they end up like this anyway.

>korean mmo
why do people even pretend these will be good? They are all shit

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I think your dog has autism

One of them has to end up good eventually, just by accident if nothing else. Ragnarok was the last time they did something good, they're long overdue.

>PooHole
>UE3
Oh boy, another unoptimized piece of shit, can't wait!
>no Elin
Not even worth trying out.

>I explained that a social MMO is one that being social is required to progress, not one where people RP and sit around cities complaining about their IRL shit.
And I said if that is your definition then FFXIV still fits the bill because all the progression content requires you to have vocal and active teammates.

>KRshit
No.

>same studio that made TERA
eh, might be fun for a bit for the combat and tiddies
I bet it has that ultra-cancerous equipment upgrade system though.

where the fuck do you think we are zipperhead

It's not Lost Ark
youtube.com/watch?v=fY41zcbBRDk

Even the orc is a prettyboy.

>combat and tiddies
No lolis or tiddies

Explain to me what a social MMO looks like in your eyes. Because it can neither be about talking to each others in cities but finding people for raids and the like also doesn't count. Which leaves, well, what exactly?

You now remember the shill campaign for bless online

trust me guys THIS is the one lmao

>no that's not social!
>no that's not either!
>no!
>nope!
>nuh-uh!
>only when I talk to someone in a highly specified situation that almost never occurs, even in oldschool MMOs, is this game to be considered social!

>Is looking like a KPop idol a requisite for socialization
yeah they think gaming needs to be silly. i started enjoying korean mmos more when i stopped taking everything seriously and started to also customize my characters for fun

I heard Korean online games should be avoided at all cost

Look my dude I am sorry you don't have anyone to spend time with in real life and thus spend all of your time in a video game reading text.
Now don't get me wrong, I love reading the same gold seller spam over and over again as much as the next guy, but in no way is FFXIV a social MMO.

Koreans don't make MMOs. They make Gambling simulators. And while they may look better then any western MMO, the gameplay, customer support, content and everything else is far worse.

SHUT UP
BLESS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE ONE
youtube.com/watch?v=jLQo3Zv66mc

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>korean
The only thing I have to say is, lol

The general trend with Korean MMOs is they're all aesthetic, no substance. It's like eating cake frosting or something.

What is fucking "social" to you then if both the casual guy talking to people in cities and the hardcore raiding community doesn't count? Like what? Talking to someone running around randomly in a zone? Because that happens constantly too if that's your point. Even people who form a party with the group finder constantly talk to each other.

Name a fucking example of what is deemed part of a "social MMO" to you.

>all the progression content requires you to have vocal and active teammates.
Provably false buckaroo.
If you can get to max level without talking to anyone then its not a social MMO.
I'm sorry you are wrong, and you for some reason have invested so much of your ego in this game, but the simple fact is that almost everything in the game can be done solo.

>I have autism and can't manage to find a single person to talk to in fucking FFXIV of all games, this means the game is very anti-social and all these people I see are gold seller bots

UO

>If you can get to max level without talking to anyone then its not a social MMO.
>getting to max level is the only progression that counts!
>hah, he can't refute my point now!

make a better game then, plastic gook face
your waifu character creators are dime a dozen

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combat isn't full action

most skills have some form of tab targeting, i played gunslinger in the thai beta, and there was only one skill that was actually action, and it had a slow as fuck projectile, it reminded me of the "arcane pulse" on a TERA sorcerer but much much slower. the combat is still better than pure tab targeting but it is just so bad

PvP on the other hand will probably be much better than TERA in some regards like the scale of the fights, everything looks big and everyone has a lot of mobility

Korean shit will never be good because it panders entirely to whales, the gameplay is always copy pasted between each of them that I can garentee you that the same 3 people probably code every single korean MMO's combat system in a weekend

honestly astonished some retards actually fell for babby's first viral marketing
it looked like complete shit from the get go and the "marketing" hit all the shill red flags

>orc
>elf
>teddy bear
>human
>gay cowboy
nani the fuck are these races

No MMO has full action combat, most of them adhoc the tab targeting with a psudo-aiming system where you lock on to things.

This ESO guy has some of the most impressive mental gymnastics I've seen in a long time. If it's a troll then 9/10, really good job.

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Korean MMORPGs are literal carbon copies of each other
They all runs on UE3 or a based on UE3 engine, god fucking why they INSIT on using UE3 is beyond my understanding
But once every 1000000000000000 shovelware clones one Gook gets it "right" and make an actually solid product, problem is this one shilled here now isn't that one
imho the closest to "just the right one" in recent years was Tree of Savior, it hurts because it was close to be that one korean MMO to shine over the 1000000000000000000000000000 clones but nope, it went to shit pretty quickly over the incompetence in execution of the idea
Archeage has a nice start too but it went to shit too

the only progression that requires social interaction is savage and ultimate content. let's not kid ourselves here. you can get through 99% of this game without saying a word. savage has been a joke since midas anyways, if you wanted you could honestly group finder that depending on the data server.

>they were on the right track with BDO
And the fact that they chose to shit on said track only shows that they know what is right or wrong and still chose to go down the beaten path just for the sake of making quick shekels. Fuck off.

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>archeage
it hurts
they struck gold then immediately dropped their pants and took a giant shit over it

Games made by Koreans are the most soulless games.

Well again, Everquest was a social MMO. You actually had to learn things to play it. You had to learn travel paths, locations of vendors, where to camp mobs, what drops from what NPC, how often mobs spawn, how to deal with unexpected spawns or patrols coming into your agro range, etc etc etc etc.
All the information was not published, people had to hand draw maps and post them on forums like ZAM.
You had to actually learn things.
Not just move to the non-highlighted part of the locked dungeon arena to avoid getting damaged. You had to learn to minimize the damage that WAS going to come to you.
There were punishments for dying.
Classes had spells that only that class had.
Knowing someone of every class was essential for efficiently playing.
Don't know a Wizard or Druid? Well have fun taking the boat that has realistic travel time.

Simply put a social MMO is one that you actually have to socialize to progress, because it isn't just chasing quest icons around the minimap.

>Korean MMO

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Why do people want an MMO anyway? What do they offer over a regular RPG?
Community? No, they're silent, and have been for a decade. Variety? All stripped down and monetized. Writing? They're getting better at that, sure, but it's all metered out at a snail's pace.

You could play so many regular RPGs in the time it takes to make decent headway in one MMO.

See

Ok i am curious
Why koreans devs use nothing but UE3 in 2019 too?

Same can be said for Koreans in general as well.

lmao

Again, if it were necessary, or even beneficial to find a person to develop a rapport with, then I would have.
Like I said though, its completely unnecessary, and even further a waste of time, until you get to end game raiding, because you can do 99% of the content yourself, faster, without waiting for some random to catch up.

Because the korean game industry has almost no dvelopers, just artists.

>They were on the right track with BDO.

youtu.be/6Pwnv4EDfYY
user, I...

>2019
>Still trusting slant eyes

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What's to stop them from pulling another CoX on it when they do get a good one?

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At least when you gamble you have a chance to get back a monetary reward..

Fuck you dude Korean MMOs are soulless grindfests with laggy shit combat

You can't trust chink shit to ever be good because the asian gaming market is really fucked up.

The f2p cancer is bleeding over into the west, and the sooner we ban aggressive MTX the better, and if anyone wants to die on the sword to protect f2p cancer full of bots, BRs and whales where the game is mediocre as fuck and boring as shit then they can go work in korea and china.

How about socializing because you want to socialize you autistic piece of shit? Yeah yeah go away incel find friends irl blablabla get off of Yea Forums then you normalfag.

>FFXIV did a data server split and tore communities and friends apart.
>Literally nothing changed and everything is continuing on as usual.
Social game.

Unironically based.

>Then they got closer with archeage
Closer to what? To becoming a bigger pile of shit?

>I don't even know how servers function in the game, let me tell you my opinions

you must have missed the weeks of qq'ing on Yea Forums, reddit, the official forums, and in-game

eventually people got over it because they handed out free server transfers to any server for 2 weeks

Oh god, where do I start.
>Normalfag
So check it out my dude, you can be normal, AND be good at video games too.
I know its a crazy thought right?
You can also be normal and use Yea Forums.
Did I just blow your mind?

This attitude that you are special because you have no real relationships, is something only teenagers and Hikikomori entertain. Teens do it because its easier than trying to socialize with their peers because they are terrified of failure, the later do it because they failed and have to rationalize that failure.

Which are you?

Because after some time you realize that you don't really know those people at all.

>This attitude that you are special because you have no real relationships, is something only teenagers and Hikikomori entertain. Teens do it because its easier than trying to socialize with their peers because they are terrified of failure, the later do it because they failed and have to rationalize that failure.
Way to prove his point, normalfag.

Normalfag.

>let me tell you about how I'm not a normalfag by stating viewpoints that explicitly make me a normalfag
this board lmao

>korean MMO
Thats almost as big a red flag as "Survival Horror Zombies"

Normalfag doesn't mean you're "normal", it means you keep applying viewpoints and general themes to things that you deem "normal", which is exactly what you just did with your post you pathetic sack of shit.

my server got noticeably bigger and more chatty in NN

I didn't say any of these things, what the FUCK are you talking about?

COPE
Finally a situation that is appropriate for the meme.

I don't get why people hate on kmmos when western mmos haven't been good since CoH. Are we supposed to be pretend that most western mmos are irredeemable trash that all plays the same aka WoWclones.

You've been nothing but BTFO the entire fucking thread man, go home already.

Sorry dude, talking to people isn't social. It's only social if it furthers my goals.

>Shut down 4 separate posters about what a social MMO is in
>Your getting BTFO.
I love how far you are down the edgy gamer ego rabbit hole where declaring victory is your only defense.

Every MMO is a social MMO because you can talk to people and make friends

looks like all you boomer nostalgia fags are going to put your hopes behind another gook aoe spam grindfest in your eternal quest to chase the feeling you got as a kid playing wow with your friends for the first time in 2004.
this is going to be like literally every kmmo ever, a cash shop focused "action" mmo mobgrinder with the same 3 animations for the 700 different AOE attacks and oily plastic anime models in a disjointed setting with nonsensical mistranslated lore.

you'll spend an hour making a character then try to get through the tutorial while getting sub 45 FPS on a 13 year old engine, only to start the same themepark hell cycle of collecting 6 million wolf pelts and fetch quests, giving up after a few levels as you start hitting the soft paywall and try the other classes.
enjoy spending more time in character creation than the actual game.
you'll never go home. MMOs were always shit, you were just doing something completely new with your friends and too retarded to notice 15 years ago.
your friends are all gone too, and there's no community because the only ones playing are solo PVErs doing the main quest and quitting, gold farmers, and NEETs/asian salarymen grinding their souls away or spending obscene amount on the cash shop to dominate everyone else.

NOOOOOOOOO

IF THE GAME DOESN'T FORCE ME TO GROUP UP TO BEAT LEVEL 5 BOARS THEN IT ISN'T SOCIAL

EQ was more "social" in your eyes because it lacked the information at the time. It's teaming up against inconvenience, basically the same pattern that applies to teaming up for a difficult raid. Nobody responded to it because it is such a narrow, highly specific definition of what a "social MMO" is in YOUR eyes that they just didn't bother anymore.

Again, you dig yourself deeper and deeper.

The problem is that the questing, story and overall world aspect can be done without even interacting with players. hell doing dungeons just requires a guild for a most part which means aside from the 24 odd players for raids you don't need to expand beyond that.

In a socially built mmo players are inconvenienced to be more reliant on others to survive. Just mob grinding is an aspect in a social mmo that gets people together. When the goal is killing monsters there's and efficient way to do it and the inefficient way. Thus in a game where dying can make you lose exp and other people may monopolize mob grinding spots it made sense to group up. Not only could you kill faster and cover more ground but you could also kill high level monsters while providing a great reason for pvpers to keep away from you. Strength in numbers being a universally good tactic. Nowadays you have single player stories with cutscenes, that lead you along a single player track to kill monsters by yourself without having any reason or purpose to talk to people at all.

Based doomposter.

Nobody responded because they know I am right.
If your defense of modern MMOs is "well you still have to socialize for the 5% of endgame content was designed specifically to require searching for competent players", you realize that implies 95% (being generous here) of the game is a paint by numbers slog right?

>You dig yourself deeper and deeper.
Get your own insults pleb.

Again, how about you socialize because you want to socialize, not because the game inconveniences you to.

No, you just keep shutting down everybody who says he talked to somebody in the game, because according to you it ONLY counts if it is absolutely necessary, which is YOUR definition, which doesn't apply to everyone, which is exactly what a NORMALFAG does.

well the main story is designed specifically as a single player FF story. the content outside of the story is designed specifically for the MMO aspect. eureka is a prime example where communication and teamwork are the key to access. if nobody talks then people can't spawn shit.

>Blah blah blah you are wrong because nobody could counter your argument.
Okay.
You win.
I am just to normal, or too elitist as well I guess. My definitions of what is meaningful game-play is just too obscure, but also far to common.
Will you make up your fucking mind already?

Why are you ignoring everything I said?

Well you can do that if you want just play a modern mmo where social aspects of gaming don't really exist and you only need to know 10 people to just grind dungeons forever. The thing is that in classic mmos there was more than just dungeon grinding it was more of a sandbox of social elements that got people to interact with each other. Things like SWG and UO didn't have an endgame because they were social mmos constantly where the players themselves were the badguys. Lineage 2 is a perfect example of that. The tension created through communities and competing forces was also mechanically enhanced by the game itself.

It's like comparing coop in Call of Duty to Left 4 Dead. Yeah sure you could co op on Call of Duty but its more of an after thought game design wise unlike left4dead which is specifically made and has mechanics that punish solo play thus forcing players to work together. MMOs thrive and life off their social aspects, but some of these wouldn't even exist without the mechanics to back it up.

Things like boss ghosting in l2 where you had guild drama over people hiding a boss behind rocks/pillars in open world dungeons isn't even a possibility in ff14. Where socialization is an afterthought, something to be had later on or within small portions.

>Korean MMO

AHAHAHAHAHA

Enjoy grinding for literal shit for weeks and weeks till you break and buy it with their Pay 2 Win system.
Korean MMOs are never ever good.

>it was more of a sandbox of social elements that got people to interact with each other
Which also exists in FFXIV and was named several times but you keep saying it doesn't count while putting fingers in your ears.

He said very fucking clearly why you are wrong, stop shitposting. The normal definition for most people as to what is considered "social" is, at the very least, to talk to each other. You keep saying it doesn't count if it doesn't happen according to lines that YOU draw. Nobody can "refute" your argument because you already set up the narrow ruleset as to what is allowed to be defined as it and what is not.

Basically you're a retard.

Just stop replying to the guy who says it's not social to talk to other players guys, he'll leave then.

>KMMO
You fuckers never learn do you?

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Which once again, is less social in mmos that actually integrated their content into being social experiences through and through. The argument isn't so much that there is absolutely 100% no social aspects to the game. Housing and the general rp community does that enough. The point is that older mmos had all this plus emergent mechanics that forced socialization so hard you had literal politics, backstabbing, entire social events that had tangible effects on the gaming world altogether. Operation panty raid (aka bartz liberation war) could never even be feasible in ff14 because the game puts socialization as a side grade. It is not forced on the players to truly and utterly be reliant on other players to succeed. This is an aspect of mmos from a long time ago that could never happen because mechanically modern mmos are devoid of it.

Oh, I'm done with you.
Buh Bye.

You have a severe case of nostalgia goggles and you are still applying your definition of "social" to the game. You are literally going "but MY game was even MORE social!" as an argument.

>korean mmo
Yeah just like the other dozen failed korean mmos you faggots tried shilling on Yea Forums that flopped?
never again

The furry things are some real uncanny valley shit. Horrifying.

this guys got it

You keep forgetting that these social experiences often weren't part of the intended design but emerged due to inconveniences and/or technical limitations. You're also still devalueing other social experiences (like simply talking to each other) because they don't fit your argument.

You fail once again to understand the difference between a game that actually mechanically enhances social emergent play and modern mmos where social aspects are purely reserved for endgame and are completely restrictive to player creativity.

it really feels like I'm on /r/MMORPG right now

>Hey guys, I really miss old games like [2001-2010 era MMO]. Nothing really scratches the itch anymore. I'm looking for an open world sandbox PvP city building game with PK looting, crafting, raiding, action combat, free to play, no p2w, no cash shop.
>For some reason it just doesn't click with me. Maybe it's the combat? Theres also no class diversity. Every player runs the same meta builds and can use the same skills. classes doesn't matter a lot in [insert MMO here].
>The leveling experience feels so slow and boring. It's almost like a single player game and not a MMO. Even [insert another MMO here] did it much better.
>[publisher] has been listening to the fanbase, and they made [bad game design itemization] easily available through [content that needs you to invest a month's worth of salary for rewards].

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How many is it now?

Bless
Black Desert Online
ArchAge

What else

He got what? Talking to each other isn't social because back then people had to talk to each more? Fuck off retard.

>korean mmo
I can't believe some of you faggots will fall for the pretty trailer AGAIN.

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>No shortstack race

Gonna get a pass from me, thanks

Blade & Soul, Aion and TERA.

We weren't talking about game design though, the entire point was if FFXIV was a social game or not.

don't forget Tree of Savior, Maplestory 2, Kurtzpel, and Vindictus

Vindictus was fun as fuck.

>koreaturd

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Karma is a specifically social mechanic used to force players into social situations and create drama between players

entertainers/bands in SWG removing debuffs are a specific mechanical design meant to provide downtime for players, enhance bar play, and bring players together for concerts.

just getting bonus exp in pre big bang MS was a specifically intended mechanic to get players to teamup with each other for mobbing

What are cards in ragnarok for? What are keeps in DaoC for? What was orbis tower in L2 for?

You don't know what you're talking about. Listen I played/rp'd in WoW, GW2, and many other modern mmos. I'm not saying that those weren't social experiences that I had. What I'm saying is that there is a complete difference between utilizing a chat and having a game which forces you on a mechanical level to interact with players in all aspects.

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It's not going to last

>huh, looks pretty good
>...(KR)
Nvm, into the garbage it goes.

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I couldn't get into it. But I found it interesting that it runs on the same game engine as half life 2 and team fortress 2.

I know there will be airship battle gameplay, but they still waste money and shove in fucking cutscenes in the game that everyone will skip instead of just using it for more content.

>But I found it interesting that it runs on the same game engine as half life 2 and team fortress 2.
This is one of the reasons that no one play it anymore. Shit is using one core on the CPU so you have constant fps drops.

>Intentionally misrepresenting his argument by ignoring the previously defined difference between and MMO where you CAN be social, and an MMO where it is required to be social.

The point is that it isn't, not really. A social mmo forces players to deal with other players in all aspects of the game. A modern mmo has socialization regulated to chatboxes in cities where most of the content is done alone. Where you literally just showup via dungeon finder to roll through a dungeon you've already done a billion times then leave those people without a word being said.

based
or even a shortflat race

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if you're braindead enough to use duty finder then you deserve to get the braindead players and social retards.

PF is where you make friends and can easily filter out the players who are competent and not.

WoW is the best MMO right now. Then on Classic's release WoW will be the #1 and #2 best MMO. Get this stupid fucking chink mmo bs out of here. Every one of these garbagefest follow the same formula of pay2win bs, shitty combat, and the same chink artstyle. Only other decent MMO is runescape, and is really the only mmo with a lively in game community.

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WoW not even MMO. Its World Shared RPG.

Fuck off asmongold

>MMORPGs are shit and most of them die before month 1 passes
>only WoW or FFXIV is worth playing at all
i hate this

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>wow not p2win
>cashshop to buy gold
>buy boosts ingame with gold

enjoy your 2months fake classic til it's dead too.

WoW has shitty combat and an extremely conflicting artstyle that doesn't blend well with how the game renders its graphics, not to mention how that by using the WC3 engine there's next to no room for actual optimization for WoD and later areas and content due to it running on a single core.

WoW and FFXIV if you are normie
ESO if you are contrarian
GW2 if you are MtF contrarian
Runescape if your brain still think its 00s
SWTOR for a single player experience
Archeage and BDO if you want to learn how to make a bot

Oh boy I can't wait to try out this new korean MMO!
>Log in
>spend 5 hours creating a character, half of that time is trying to build a character then find out half of the available options require me to pay money
>finally after being done with the character creation I log in with my subpar husbando/waifu
>Suddenly a cutscene telling me how the world is at war and only me, the chosen one, who has a demon-angel-god in my brain can save the world
>Then my character spawns in bumfuck nowhere wearing rags
>Before I can do anything I suddenly get 5-20 popups of log in bonuses, events, news, subscription bonuses im missing out on, and limited time offers for exp boosters and all the cosmetics they wanted me to buy during the character creation
>Finally close everything and the UI is an absolute clusterfuck of UI elements, arrows boxes and glowing nonsense telling me about all the different things I can do
>except when I open the map all these things which are hovering in my UI are actually 20+ minutes of running away for higher level players
>finally figure out what im supposed to do as a new character, which ends up being your copy pasted korean "kill 5 wolfs" quests, go to turn it in and suddenly I get put into a retarded in game cutscene where the NPC tells me about how much of a god I am with terrible low-budget voice acting, then I am told to kill 10 more wolfs, except these are grey wolfs who happen to be level 2
>Repeat adnaeseum to level up
>Every level I get a new ability shoved onto my hotbar and a bunch of skill points to invest on a bunch of abilities that I have no idea what the fuck the impact of investing in them would do because doing 1% more damage when im hitting for 5000 every .2 seconds doesn't make much sense
>by level 10 I am already bored as fuck because my character, who is litterally a god, can mass kill 100+ mobs a second with my AOE even as a melee character, despite looking like im fucking homeless.

>archage&bdo for botting
? wow botting is popular.
ff14 has even warping bots.
haven't seen any in eso when i played it but game is probably just too niche to make money.

>What I'm saying is that there is a complete difference between utilizing a chat and having a game which forces you on a mechanical level to interact with players in all aspects.
And everyone else keeps saying that this is only ONE aspect of something being social while you keep ignoring everything else FFXIV has to offer in terms of social activities because you don't deem them "necessary" which is, again, a rule you yourself made up.

>RPG
It's an action MMO, but it's not an RPG, at least not anymore, if ever.
Why, you ask?
Because most people you talk with do not give a flying fuck about the story anymore, gameplay is everything that matters and nothing else. You may read about people wanting to kill character X or Y because reasons, but they're few and in between.
That's not what an RPG is supposed to be, since the story in it is also of importance, in my opinion.
In WoW, you, the player, is just a brainless, faceless pawn being used as a device for moving the plot along because "you" will do anything you're told to with no agenda involved whatsoever.
The NPCs may call you a champion, but in fact you're just their puppet. Don't believe me? Canonically, Onyxia was killed by Varian and his cronies for example, the Lich King by that Fordring faggot. You, the player, do not matter is what I want to say. The first and only time where the players were involved in the story was when AU Gul'dan was convinced to open the tomb of Sargeras.
Also, to shorten this, I believe nobody will complain about pen&paper RPGs, and/or D&Ds, having bad gameplay.

Please let me know when ESO has an 18 minute fight compared to UCOB

>intentionally ignoring every post that points out that something that REQUIRES you to be social isn't necessarily inherently more social than something where you CAN be social
If you talk to another person it is irrelevant WHY you do it when it comes to defining something as "social".

No shit I played it in 2006.

A good game released 15 years ago is considered to be a good game. Nice job detective

The point was that in those games the "playerbase" isn't made up of 90% bots and they don't revolve around endless soulless grinds.

>FFXIV is stale
Lmao blesscuck you ain't slick

I played WoW at release too and the flaws it had back then are still there today, now there are just even worse because I had time to experience hundreds of other games that perform these aspects much better.

Again, take off the nostalgia goggles, WoW always had its flaws.

Enjoy gender locked classes

>look at me I am a highly social person, I only talk to people if they have to offer something of value to me
>what the fuck do you mean, just talking to each other JUST BECAUSE? who would do that lmao
>no I don't have autism, what do you mean?

why are gooks obsessed with flying whales?

You don't want to go back to WoW vanilla, you want to go back to the time you played WoW vanilla. It simply won't be the same experience because the game itself is extremely outdated and boring compared to newer MMOs now.

>>look at me I am a highly social person, I only talk to people if they have to offer something of value to me
This is the funniest thing in the whole debate right now, imagine being such a fucking asshole.

Its symbolism.

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because gojira is kino
youtube.com/watch?v=eA0eSHxE_x8

Bro It's going to be fucking amazing
The game is literally Tera 2!

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Make a game with the mindset of classic, but with the good modern elements. There you go: best game. Oh wait it'll fail, just like wildstar because these people are the most two faced shits ever existed in gaming. You literally don't know what you want, but you pretend to so.

This. Wildstar could've been a really good game if they hadn't pandered to the WoW Classic nostalgiafags which are nothing else but drones who refuse to play anything else without directly comparing it to their dogshit turd of an overrated game.

No MMO will ever be fun like they used to be becuase no one actually plays with people they meet in the mmo anymore.
People play with their normal group of friends and just go into whatever game together.
No one builds communities in MMOs now, so they will never ever be as good as they used to be.

The sooner you deal with that fact, the sooner you can move on from this genre.

Classic faggot are like drug addict that cant get high anymore

>No one builds communities in MMOs now
Pretty much my entire friend group is built from FFXIV.

just let mmos die for someone to make them right again a decade later.

>Chikornese
>making a video game and not a disguised online sweathshop for korean/chinese ants to pour their hard earned cash into after 12 hour workdays to fulfill their dating and getting somewhere in life fantasies

Get a load of this faggot, he thinks chinese make video games!

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>another korean game with amazing gameplay that will be destroyed by korean jewery
Koreans are better than jews when it comes to microtransactions. How could the nose ever compete with the slant?

>Yoshi and his team are barely making deadlines, and are cutting corners to do it.
minor issues with clothing are hardly anything spectacular and apparently SE doesn't want to just have everything fucking clip on non-human anatomy like Blizz does

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Anybody have any more images of lumbridge in its prime? The other day I was looking, but I couldn't even find any old youtube videos showing a crowded lumbridge.

Just started XIV after hearing good things it seems pretty fun so far

Try out ascension wow. Classless private server. Really fun.

>can't tell the difference between a social mmo and a chatbox with a game in the background

welcome to the only mmo on the market worth playing
if you have any questions feel free to ask in one of the daily xiv threads on Yea Forums or /xivg/, despite the reputation it's fantastic at giving advice on leveling and explaining the lore

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>FFXIV players thinking their opinion matters near me

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>korean
you faggots never learn

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loser

nigger

>keeps missing the point
You think it's completely random why people talk a lot and interact with each other in FFXIV but barely say a word in modern WoW? Because according to you both games are just a "chatbox".

>nobody builds communities
>FFXIV is filled to the brim with community activities the likes no other modern MMO has seen
>n-no not like that, loser! you have no friends!
Fuck off lmao.

>if you don't like my MMO you must like modern WoW!
>he says others keep missing the point

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That's not what I said. I used modern WoW as an example for another "chatbox".

The only MMO's that have EVER had moderate success are ones with pre-existing lore. Lore is a requirement to build a successful MMO out of since it creates the foundation of the world. Without it, you get shitty Korean MMO #9352.

what do you XIV fags do while you wait on the gcd?

That's literally what you said.

That is not what he posted, retard.

Step back for a moment and reflect. When did you ever interact with people without some ulterior motivation behind it?

As kids you choose those who were willing to cooperate playing the games you want to play. Later you group up with people of equal status because you don't want to carry deadweight in group projects in school and same later at your job. Behavior in gaming is no different than group dynamics in real live. Social interaction is just a mean to a goal and while you might enjoy shitchatting with some people you ultimately still prioritize the goal so it crumbles the moment dropping people is more profitable. Current MMO's are filled with content that favors doping people.

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>You think it's completely random why people talk a lot and interact with each other in FFXIV but barely say a word in modern WoW? Because according to you both games are just a "chatbox".
Point out where it says or implies that you like modern WoW.

>Current MMO's are filled with content that favors doping people.
good fucking luck clearing Baldesion Arsenal then

That's literally what you posted, samefaggot.

When will Korea make its first good game?

Pure edge and/or autism.

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>You think it's completely random why people talk a lot and interact with each other in FFXIV but barely say a word in modern WoW? Because according to you both games are just a "chatbox".
Here it is implied I like modern WoW as some sort of "gocha"

Pure retardation and autism

not even him but do you legitimately have autism
>gocha
or are you just ESL

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>no pedo race
Hard pass. They are literally shooting themselves in the foot here.

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What? You are supposed to explain why people talk a lot and interact with each other in FFXIV and not in modern WoW even though both are just a chatbox according to your viewpoints. It doesn't even matter if you played any of those games, it's just a comparison for the sake of the argument.

>not even him but

Thanks for admitting you legitimately have autism ESL

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you okay?

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Koreans have great ideas with shit realisation. Atlantica Online, Granada Espada, ToS, etc. But everything ended in Pay2Pay shit.

>Here it is implied I like modern WoW as some sort of "gocha"

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>Point out where it says or implies the thing I said you did

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Now to top this, they'll quit the game within 3 months. I can guarantee you this, that the realization will kick in around lvl 30, that the game itself is completely different from the game living in their head. This is why I fucking hate these people, not only they cry for something, without knowing what is what they actually want. The steamers are the prime exaple of this shitty mentality. Not to mention all these self-appointed classic advocates are debunked to be full of shit (and often buying gold too, when talking about how epic is when you work for it), whereas their prime was in cataclysm at best, not even fucking wotlk. Probably Pilav's video where this you think you do but you don't shit was everywhere is the best to sum this situation up, that was the only thing I found to openly call out on these people, even when Pilav can be cringy and unbearable as fuck.

>What? You are supposed to explain [why my narrative is correct]
Both FFXIV and modern WoW players chat and interact with each other in game. And if you try to argue otherwise you're admitting it does matter whether you played those games and not just a comparison for the sake of argument.

>generic asian mmo #256

These games are DOA in the west I wouldn't recommend investing into them

Because not even WoW players would argue that their game is chatty, you contrarian mongoloid.

fuck off cunt

>WoW players chat and interact with each other in game
not in the last 6 years or so lol

So you're admitting it does matter whether you played those games and not just a comparison for the sake of argument, you braindead contrarian

They do but just for the sake of interaction, because they're not social autists who need motivation in order to socialize with each other. Same with FFXIV.

>n-no! FFXIV is the most social game the likes no other MMO has seen! my friends are real I'm not a loser you edgy autist!!
>No! ESO is the best MMO!
>Stop being racist against korean grindfests!

Dance for me monkeys

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I unironnicaly want good single-player mmorpg with npcs doing stuff like raiding and crafting.
Time to replay Kingdoms of Amalur Reckoning I guess

I fell for the Aion meme, not falling for gookshit ever again.

You are avoiding the central thesis of the argument to attack how the argument is formed. These are not the same thing.

Is this what a mental breakdown looks like or is it just the average europoster at work

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ffxiv is literally a jrpg with multiplayer

>FFXIV is the most social game the likes no other MMO has seen! my friends are real I'm not a loser you edgy autist!!
Now you missed BOTH points presented in the discussion, impressive.

you okay?

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Why is FFXIV more social than WoW even though both games only offer a chatbox according to you? I'm not the same poster, just answer the question, I don't care if you played both or not. Stop avoiding.

Pot calling the kettle a nigger

>wow I'm so cool I have no opinions, checkmate centrists win once again

>modern WoW players chat and interact with each other in game

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Why do you believe FFXIV more social than WoW? It copuldn't possibly because you're biased and trying to avoid it.

You realize that the last part of that post was sarcastic right? It even has fucking stutterspeak dude.

probably because it has a larger community of trannies and faggots hungering for erp

>Why is FFXIV more social than WoW

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I recently decided to give Anarchy Online a shot. Im so fucking confused though, but Im having fun

probably because anyone enough of an NPC to play wow in current year is incapable of having a conversation

Because I play both a lot and while both games have different strengths and weaknesses I wouldn't argue for a second that FFXIV is much more active in terms of community, which also gets reinforced by the fact that many people, even inside their own WoW community, complain about the lack of interaction even in progressive content.

Congrats you've missed the point and have no reading comprehension

Not him but I too don't get what you're trying to say.

I directly addressed the premise of the argument and dismantled the premise, your poorly formed argument is not the same thing.

>Not him but

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Limsa Lominsa alone has more people talking than some entire server populations on WoW combined. The game is a ghost town in terms of talking to other people.

limsa is the trannyhub though, true chads live in uldah

>Because I play both a lot so I'm right.
>I don't care if you played both or not. Stop avoiding.

Hmmm?

The premise of the argument is a comparison of FFXIV and WoW in terms of social activity, you addressed the fact that you need to play both games.

>he played both
>he doesn't care whether you have played them or not
what is so hard to understand, ahmed

Moon Guard alone has more people talking than some entire server populations on FFXIV combined. The game is a ghost town in terms of talking to other people.

I'm everyone in this thread, now please explain your post to my tiny dumb brain.

But Dofus is still alive and well, why I should play korean shit?

>a server has more people talking than a server in other game

Not everyone who replies to you is the same person. Even if you think they are, he still used two different ways to approach the argument. Stop screaming samefag and address it correctly.

No I didn't.

Holy shit what is this witchcraft.
How does it work.

Well you can call me a liar all you want but I've seen both communities over the years and I know for myself that FFXIV is much more active, so your argument is simply untrue in my eyes. No I can't prove it, but neither can you.

Not everyone who replies to you is the same person. Even if you think they are, he still used two different ways to approach the argument. Stop screaming eurofag and address it correctly.

>Small endgame content is evidence
Look at what 99% of the game is and not one example where your premise might work. Most of the group content can be done blind over party finder.

Stop pretending to be me dude.

>I'm totally not samefagging please believe me
>btw you're the same person screaming samefag and not addressing my argument

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based eceleb wannabe

>Even if you think they are, he still used two different ways to approach the argument.

>claiming to play both to validate his argument
>also says it doesn't matter whether you played them
what is so hard to understand, jamal

There is no need for conversation where the entire content can be easily done easily alone, with other players who might as well be replaced by actual NPCs since you wouldn't be able to tell differences anyway due to most of them being NPC enough to play a shitty game like BfA.

Stop it you are going beyond biodrone levels of pathetic right now. Just stop.

Not him but what does any of this have to do with ecelebs

>if i keep saying everyone is a samefag i don't have to form an argument

Imagine wanting to interact with other people. I still remember the urge to logout when anyone tried to interact with me in FFXIV, as well as endless "hi" and emojis at the start of the dungeon (for the sake of subtle begging for good boy points commendation rewards)

People don't buy your viewpoints because they've actually played the game without becoming a fanboy drone, stop kidding yourself.

>No I can't prove it, but neither can you.
The onus is on you to prove your own claims, not the other way around.
Is FFXIV more active in terms of players? Maybe.
Is FFXIV more active in terms of social community? You have no way to even quantify that.

>for the sake of subtle begging for good boy points commendation rewards
Jokes on them, I only commend the cutest girl in the group.

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I'm not.

oh boy, another korean game that will be dead a week after it launches, sign me up

Show me any kind of worthwhile community event in WoW and I'll show you at least a dozen more in FFXIV.

>if I keep replying to the same post multiple times and pretend to be multiple people I don't have to defend my argument

get hype

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Sorry that isn't bound to progression and therefore not deemed a social activity.

>a server has more people talking than a server in other game

Limsa is a town.

>brainlet-sama proves he has no fucking idea what's being discussed

People don't buy your viewpoints because they've actually played the game without becoming a fanboy drone, stop kidding yourself.

And Goldshire is an Inn, what's your point?

This.

What?

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Stop pretending to be me

>brainlet-sama descends further into the depths of his mental breakdown

What about it?

I am you now, nothing we can do.

>brainlet-sama proves he has no fucking idea what's being discussed

daily reminder Korean MMOs are only fun for the first 2-3 weeks after release before P2W whales start their domination

The entire thread is a discussion I made up myself, none of you are real but all of you are at the same time. I have transcended.

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>mmo
>korean
lmao

I'm waiting for russian release of Lost Ark

So you're basing your game being social because of a bunch of ERP events? Alright.

>He thinks a Korean MMO will ever be better than WoW or FFXIV even in their worst states

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Looks uninspired as fuck

>as a modern MMO fanboy you should care deeply about my opinions, if you don't pick an MMO to side with you're a filthy fence sitting centrist!

Keep dancing monkey.

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Fuck off newfag

Nice backpeddaling, faggot.

Dude stop being racist lmao

I'm doing perfectly fine with GW2.

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How's it feel to be hated by everyone in the thread no matter their opinions because at least they have any?

spbp

Pointing out your cringe worthy metric for defending FFXIV isn't backpeddaling, retard.

Lalafell!

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>how does it feel to be hated by a bunch of seething MMO drones

Dance for me.

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You asked for evidence, he provided evidence, you are not satisfied with the evidence while providing none yourself. I have followed this discussion for almost an hour now and all you do is demanding proof for reasonable claims while offering NOTHING in return but petty insults as soon as you are confronted with it.

You are the reason Yea Forums is shit, now kill yourself.

I'm your imagination and I'll fuck you only if you are a cute girl.

I don't even need to see any other MMO community to know WoW hit the absolute rock bottom in terms of socialization.

Why do you assume I'm defending WoW?

>You asked for evidence, he provided evidence,
>list a bunch of ERP events
"""evidence"""
>I have followed this discussion for almost an hour now and all you do is demanding proof for reasonable claims
>my MMO is more social than everyone elses because of ERP events
"""reasonable claims"""

>while offering NOTHING in return but petty insults as soon as you are confronted with it.
>You are the reason Yea Forums is shit, now kill yourself.

lol die mad about it

Oh fuck off already.

See? Thanks for proving me right.

You keep making this shit up about ERP events, you know?

You were avoiding the central thesis of the argument to attack how the argument is formed. These are not the same thing.

>ESO
ESO is only "good" because WoW is shit. It didn't became good.

Haim hem user! I'm sitting my big fat ass on anyone wanna do some content? Team up sit on bench?I could use some nice content! Yup! I'm not wearing no clothes in these shorts! So, anyone wanna help me sit up? I have nothing but my bare ass, no panties in my bra or panties either! I mean I've got my butt there so I can kinda show people, but who wants to be naked on camera right there in public? Well I think someone wants more than that. You know the person that sits down a lot? She has her big tits out in the open so people can get a close up look? I'm not sure what they're doing, maybe they're doing it on purpose?? They're probably being a douchebag. If someone were to put anything in me that would hurt, I would get up and go get it, but I just don't want it to get loose.. I think it can stay in here, but if it were to make it out of here I would

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>I want people to adhere to my very specific and narrowingly defined viewpoint of what I deem as a sociable MMO, if you counter it in any way I just claim that it's ERP!
Genuinely off yourself.

>I want people to adhere to my very specific and narrowingly defined viewpoint of what I deem as a sociable MMO, if you counter it in any way I just post a list of ERP!
Genuinely take your own advice.

He literally provided proof to the central thesis though, you just said it doesn't count because "it's all just ERP", even though you have no evidence for that.

>brainlet-sama proves he has no fucking idea what's being discussed

>if I keep saying it's just ERP stuff then it becomes true!

Post the fucking Miqo'te feet

Posting a list of ERP events is not proof to the central thesis, you're just saying it counts because "you have no evidence", even though you have no argument for that.

Look at his mental breakdown, jesus christ. Now he just copies what others said in an effort to look clever or something.

>another korean trash
They should stick to comfort women and their absolute garbage manhwa

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>if I keep denying it's just ERP stuff then it becomes false!

>MMO
>Korean

When will you learn?

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Not everyone who replies to you is the same person. Even if you think they are, he still used two different ways to approach the argument. Stop screaming mental breakdown and address it correctly.

Are off island gooks people? They seem to try to imitate life but are failing at it. This looks as generic as it gets. Are they just automatons that scramble statistical data and output a product based on values. No creative bone in their body. Much like ubisoft makes open world games.

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>it's a korean MMO
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH oh you zoomers are a riot.

Don't care my nigga, just joined the thread like a half hour ago. I'm trying to help you out. FFXIV isn't a social game, no matter how illogical. Therefor this entire argument is a waste of time.

You've wasted over several hours arguing about something that isn't going to happen. You can keep arguing, I don't care. But learn to pick your battles.

we're not. And I'd like to formally apologize for their rude behavior and promise you this isn't ok and doesn't normally happen.

*nods respectfully towards you*

>Koreans have great ideas
I didn't know stealing concepts like the dirty chink dogs they are counts as "idea"

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Based and Zenimaxpilled.

Dont listen to these nerds who like to defend outdated combat and are blind by nostalgia

Are off island gooks people? They seem to try to imitate life but are failing at it.You might imagine these guys have come to the island to be taught how to behave in human fashion and it is a bit of a struggle. However, I'm still going to go and be silly with them for the rest of the weekend.

The worst thing about being off island gooks is that there are no proper medical facilities available for the population as the people living there have been exterminated by the locals. I've witnessed a little girl with a baby on her head being thrown off one of those little potholds that can be made up of a couple of trees and used as a stretcher. The boy in her arms being tossed in at like 60mph by a man in a bush on the off island.

I've walked around off shore before and the islanders tend to be a little bit strange, I saw one guy dressed as the Doctor from Torchwood in costume for once. He asked me if I knew who he was and the fact that he said it didn't surprise me he was from the same island with me.

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4 of the listings on there are erp. The rest aren't.
t. someone in the rp community on balmung

Side note: Grindstone and Spellstone are pretty cool events that have been running weekly for years involving combat roleplay. It is fun to spectate even if you don't want to get involved.

You keep making this shit up about RP events, you know?

a) Western release never
b) It's going to be the same p2w, layered RNG progression, shallow endgame korean shit even if the combat looks fun

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Getting out of MMOs was the best thing to happen in my life. I've been MMO free for over 10 years now. Your taste in vidya gets way better.

>wow I'm so cool I have no opinions, checkmate centrists win once again

>korean
goodbye

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It is not a list of ERP events.

It is a list of ERP events.

>if I pretend to be a retard I can get off without looking like I lost the discussion
Not how it works dumb-dumb.

An attempt was made. Enjoy the endless, Sisyphean hell of your own making with this arguing. I only post out of love for my fellow anons.

Stay hydrated, and remember to lay down at a reasonable time tonight. Shitposting waits for no man.

Nice try you fucking marketer

I know a lot of people on Yea Forums jump to conclusions about calling someone a marketer but NOBODY here would ever seriously recommend a shit Korean MMO.

You asked for evidence, he provided evidence, you are not satisfied with the evidence while providing none yourself. I have followed this discussion for almost an hour now and all you do is demanding proof for reasonable claims while offering NOTHING in return but petty insults as soon as you are confronted with it.

You are the reason Yea Forums is shit, now kill yourself.

>bluehole

wheres the elins?

>when MMOs have become such utter shit marketeer threads are impossible to distinguish from troll threads

top kek

Unironically based.

no elins
And the midget furry races don't even have a female playable option

Only that I'm not even 20 and actually look forward to games

>Because you think the goal of an MMO is to level up and enter the endgame as soon as possible

Thats how games like WoW and FFXIV work on a slanted scale you always want to go UP.

Why people complain about ESO/GW2 because there is no real "up" because levels dont increase and really neither does gear.

Korean games are all pay to win.

>but NOBODY here would ever seriously recommend a shit Korean MMO.
hownew.ru

Just 1, OG Ragnarok Online. You've gotta go back in time though.

Is this from N*xxon?

Korean mmos can die with the 2000s

lol faggot every korean mmo has been a scam

>P-please play my deranged SJW tranny game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nope.
We are going home.
You are going rope.

This
I usually only play when they release a new character a get really into it then shit optimization makes me uninstall the game a week or two later.

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Layer 14
Home
At least it was before sharding fucked everything up.

>Muh layer
tranny detected!

i'd rather cut my dick off than pay actiblizz for wow

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>wife
Lul

>tfw it's been 9 years and you still find your way back to it
Came back for Eira this time. Tried out whip Arisha because that was new for me and I've really been enjoying her so far.

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>KOREAN MMO

HAHAHA LOVING EVERY LAUGH

this, this trash heap failed in every region in the world, yet it was supposed to be good?

There is no need for tears or fighting.

WoW Classic is coming.

MMOs are a dead genre. stop wasting your time on this.

Based gw chad

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AIR is worthless and will die a miserable death because Bluehole forgot that their last MMO was only successful because Elin.

the reason why Classic would fail is that streamers are a thing not because the game sucks

why dont you guys watch the stream of the bald faggot and listen what hes saying all he is saying is the truth because he knows all servers are going to ruin servers

Based and Arenanetpilled.

Dont listen to these nerds who like to defend outdated combat and are blind by nostalgia

No, there have been quite some MMOs by now that break the mold and offer different experiences. There's no rule that defines your expectation of what an MMO should be. If anything it's first and foremost about the fact that you play with other people, which FFXIV accomplishes obviously very well considering it's regarded as one of, if not THE most social MMO to play right now. I have been playing MMOs for well over 20 years now and FFXIVs playerbase is genuinely one of the most social and vocal ones I've ever encountered. Yes people don't talk much in a daily dungeon grind but the cities and hubs are filled to the brim with people just hanging out with each other. Add to that the exceptionally active housing and FC community and you never have to play alone. You can meet more friendly and active people in Limsa Lominsa alone over the course of a day than in other MMOs in months. The highly expressive and varied emote system helps quite a lot honestly. If you're only interested in gameplay it also has the most challenging release raids of any MMO for the past ~10 years. Not that you'd ever see them with your shitter ass anyways. Yes I ERP, cry about it

>mmo thread

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>complains about all current mmos being stale
>posts a stale mmo
What did he mean by this?

if only they updated the models , their blocky feet turns me off way too much

>Korean MMO's
>Good

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