No Wizardry on GOG

>wizardry
>actual wizardry logo
>Japanese fantasy aesthetic
>xseed
I’m confused, what is happening?

That's not what gog means anymore. The name of the store is simply the nonsense word "gog".

Wizardry is looking a bit different from what I remember

>Maybe GOG doesn't want weeb shit shitting up their store?
They added a fuckton of visual novels including romantic ones in the last year though, so a JRPG would be pretty harmless in comparison.

E.g.
gog.com/game/a_kiss_for_the_petals_maidens_of_michael
gog.com/game/kindred_spirits_on_the_roof

Is this a jrpg or a wrpg?

Wizardry was sold to the Japanese years ago, this one was developed by Acquire for the PS3.

I thought Wizardry was a series of old western dungeon crawler RPGs? Is this a new one that is now Japanese? How did Xseed end up with the franchise? Maybe I'm getting confused, I never played them, someone explain this shit.

That's lame. People always whine about japs taking over wizardry but as far as I'm concerned classic wizardry gameplay + cute anime girls is a good thing.

SUG MY GOG DDDDDD

You could get this on the PS3. It's not the best Wizardry but the art is fun and it's not like we've gotten any other Wizardry games in forever.

Because wizardry was popular in japan and they were the ones that actually cared to keep the series going.

>Reading reviews for this game
When is games journalism going to die?

This one is a PS3 game dipshit.

You think that is bad?
I got a game on GoG that gets DLC content and free updates on consoles and steam but not on GoG

Probably because of DRM or some shit.

GOG hates companies trying to patch games even if you use galaxy.
this has been a long running issue which has lead to their versions of games being way behind if not dropped entirely.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizardry:_Tale_of_the_Forsaken_Land

PRO TIP: Wizardry has been Japanese for over a decade. Where the fuck have you guys been?

youtube.com/watch?v=dhZNt50XAwg

Looks like shit desu
I'd rather emulate any of the countless dungeon crawlers for 3DS

Japan has kept wizardry alive or the past 25 years

Almost certainly this. GOG won't let stuff on their store if it isn not DRM-free

You didn't specify in your post, dipshit. Fuck off with your imaginary intellectual high ground.

>he actually bought a game on GOG
Why would you do that? GOG is only good for providing easy game packages for pirating. There's literally never been a single case where the GOG version was better than Steam etc. On the contrary, they're usually missing DLC/multiplayer support and other features.

What do they say? Anime tits bad?

>ps3 isn't old

Based

Wizardry was actually hugely successful in Japan in the 80s and heavily influenced a lot of early JRPGs. At some point, the rights ended up in some Japanese company's hands and about a million Japan-only Wizardry games were released to this day. Pretty sure there was even a shitty MMO.

Labyrinth of Lost Souls is kinda shit though, Acquire's Wizardry sucks, just play Elminage Gothic, it's ten times the game LoLS tries to be.

Looks like a dinky RPG maker game, how do you go from 8 to this?

based

Its a dungeon crawler, its Wizardry user, its a long running series.

Isn't it widely known that ninety nine percent of JRPG tropes are just DnD and Wizardry?

>Wizardry was actually hugely successful in Japan in the 80s and heavily influenced a lot of early JRPGs.
This is wrong.

GOG isn't interested in games that won't sell, and XSEED lost Ys and Trails.

>Pretty sure there was even a shitty MMO.
That got an international release, I played it for a bit. Was a neat concept but died swiftly like hundreds of other MMOs during the big MMO cash grab craze in those years.

Would xseed even bother applying for gog if the game had DRM?
That game is fuckin' baller. It's not very Wizardry-like, but it's much better than other Japanese dungeon crawlers.

That happens way too often, GOG needs to fix their shit

>Isn't it widely known
Apparently not on this board.

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>Pretty sure there was even a shitty MMO.
It was actually really neat, but it basically didn't market itself at all and had so few people playing it (not even people trying and dropping it, but just nobody even trying) that they shut down the servers. Wish it was still alive.

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It's no Elminage or Dark Spire, but the dungeon design is better than Class of Heroes.

>Would xseed even bother applying for gog if the game had DRM?
XSNEED did some very stupid shit in the past, I woudn't rule it out.

I honestly thought it died with 8, had no idea it got turned into anime.
There was a fucking Wizardry Online what the fuck

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I like it too. Shit was a ride and it was funny watching shitters get mauled by traps.

Its a better fate than Ultima got

Real Wizardry ended with 8. Fuck the japs and their bullshit.

>wizardry has become generic weebshit
we'll never get something like 8 again will we

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It's not.

It was good, but it was licensed to Sony in the west, and they had other MMOs running at the time; a clear conflict of interest which is why they shafted the game (it was VERY behind in terms of content/updates relative to the JP version).

>generic weebshit is worse than generic tolkienshit

No

Yes.

you haven't played the original wizardry games have you

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GoG has a history of being very strict with curation. It's usually stupid ass shit like looking too low budget or using a single asset from unity store, etc. However, games like 7 mages was rejected just for being Turn-based, being too small in scale, and too niche. Hell, even Undertale wasn't allowed by their autist standards until fan outcry changed it.
It's one of the reasons so many indies flock to Steam exclusively, because GoG would never accept them. The dumbass part is devs want curation without seeing how it fucks up everyone but a select few.

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Welcome to 28 years ago, zoom zoom.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizardry#Spin-offs

Post-Bradley Wizardry is barely even Wizardry. At least the Elevens kept the soul of the series intact, Wizardry Empire 2 is one of the greatest Wizardry games.

Blue pilled tranny.

>never been a single case where the gog version is better then steam

Saints row 2

>the dungeon design is better than Class of Heroes.
Doesn't take much, it's still a mediocre dungeon crawler and an utterly mediocre Wizardry game, hell I'd rather play Stranger of Sword City at that point.
Japanese Wizardry died when Starfish lost the license, it was nothing but a long series of steps back, with LoLS being the culmination of that.

I know they have the sci twist at the end, but its just a dumb twist

Actually generic cartoons for children shit is in fact generally worse than generic fantasy for manchildren.

Sorry, thems the breaks, bub. How many whacky hair colored animus have you whacked it to bud?

>implying it's not the most atmospheric & immersive game you'll play for MS-DOS

there's a reason it's still being copy'd today by the japanese m8

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This.

>generic fantasy for manchildren
Are loved by children as well.
See the irony here?

You people belong in camps.

Ah yes when nerdom was not yet contaminated by politics

Says the guy whose memes all came from a trilogy of movies written by literal trannies.

>However, games like 7 mages was rejected just for being Turn-based, being too small in scale, and too niche. Hell, even Undertale wasn't allowed by their autist standards until fan outcry changed it.
I remember there was a huge outcry about Opus Magnum (Zachtronics) being rejected too. I have this feeling that GOG's store is a lot like Epic's in that they have to manually do a bunch of shit, so every game they add has to sell enough to justify the cost of adding it unlike Steam which is entirely automated and therefore inexpensive.

I'm very much aware of what happened, I am lamenting that it has happened
once again, you clearly haven't played them

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Weebshit is loved by manchildren as well. See the irony of your misuse of the word irony here?

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>le movie meme
Blue pills are viagra, it means you’re an impotent cuck with too much estrogen.
Lurk moar

>yuri gets okayed
>everything else gets the boot
yeah no they simply have some retarded pink tranny in the curating department making their usual censorship shit

An actual evolution of the genre? Of course not, the genre is already too niche, so they'll instead pander to the small group of grognards who would rather the game play exactly like one of the far earlier titles from the 1980s.
I wish for some competent tries at more Wiz8 and Might&Magic 5+ style games.

>Wizardry
>Generic tolkein
Ultima, Wizardry and M&M were the more out there fantasy series of all time. They were doing magic blended with high tech and cosmic decades ahead of anyone else. Ultima had spaceships in the very first game, while both M&M and Wiz were laying the groundwork for and hinting at spacefaring races and androids and cube-shaped worlds and other ridiculous shit by their second, going full blown sci-fantasy by the third and fourth games.

That shit was common as hell in the 80s (even Final Fantasy 1 and SaGa did it), nowadays almost every fantasy world is just straight Medieval/Renaissance fantasy with some fireballs.

Get a gf, tranny.

Is there a particular Wizardry game I should start with?

6, 7, and 8 are already on gog
why would you need anything else?
also if you watched the trailer for this game you'd realized it looks like shit

Llylgamyn Saga, remake of the first 3 games.

8 is widely considered the pinnacle of the series. 7 is great too, if a bit too hardcore for modern players.

Wizardry was honkey shit but china men liked them too and kept making their own

This seems like a good thread to ask. Is there a guide, chart, list, etc. that I should refer to when getting into this genre?

>Bradley's nuWizardry

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Are they each a standalone story?

>Wizardry 7

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Start at 6, proceed to 7 and 8.
If you finish those, improvise with the rest.

Sweet, I own this on PS3 and had a blast playing it.
Had all characters max level with that sweet sword that kills everything easy. Forget its name but its some katana.

Beautiful. Such a fucking amazing series. There's nothing else like it.

6-8 all follow each other, 1-5 are sorta the same (you can transfer character through some, 4 is standalone where you play as the villain of the first game).

I didn't actually know gog curated shit. I always assumed games just didn't want to remove drm. Kind of sucks.

Llylgamyn Saga then Wizardry 8

try making a party of all fairys

Remember the Wizardry MMO?

Huh? Is the game world THAT massive and THAT non-linear? How does it all work?

Has to be DRM. Otherwise something is fucked

>(even Final Fantasy 1 and SaGa did it)
To be fair, those games were designed by the biggest Ultima fan in japan, and the SaGa series is mostly in a world of its own.
Just start with the Llylgamym Saga collections, mind Wiz4 though, it's not for casual play.
6/7/8 is the Dark Savant trilogy which has a very mixed reception since it's a departure from the classic series, I myself dislike it despite appreciating some good ideas here and there, but you should give it a go after you finish the first five games (with or without 4) anyway, they're not what I would call bad games, but some of their design choices are a bit out there even for me.
After that, you're on your own, either you keep trucking with the more classic dungeon crawler format which Japan kept alive with all the games like their own Wizardries, Dark Spire, Elminage, EO etc., or you delve deeper in the western games with Might and Magic, Grimrock, etc.

Don't stare at it too closely, wouldn't want you to be spoiled.

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I would but there is no fairys in this game.

Do I need a sega saturn to play Llylgamym Saga?

god, bradleyfags are fucking insufferable

Just to back up this user as to why you should be careful with Wizardry 4

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it's on ps1 as well, and that version obviously emulates better

what do these games have that Japanese dungeon crawlers lack

Easiest way is by emulating the PS1 version, there's also a PC version but I've been told it's buggy.

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Another way of putting it is what makes them unique other than being the first.

>Maybe GOG doesn't want weeb shit shitting up their store?
We've already forgotten GOG-chan?

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>wizardry has become generic weebshit
You innocent child.
youtube.com/watch?v=aO1Dzuz6YbI

The japanese devs probably don't know GOG exists

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For me it's dungeon design. The way it uses its limited squares, the dark zones, the pitfalls, the puzzles, the anti-magic zones, the spin traps.
A lot of JP dungeon crawlers are just grind fests with boring ass dungeons that are as big or as small as the level designers want and have a bunch of empty space for no discernible reason.

Looks like one of the dozens of cheap rpgmaker eroge I've played, but without the sex.

Why would I play this again.

>Wizardry got turned into weeb consoletrash
how the fuck did this happen
I thought it died with Sir-Tech

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Since 6-8 are trilogy, can I play 8 since you say it's that good or will I miss ton of stuff by skipping 6&7?

Is there a list or infograph about what version of each Wizardy to play if you want to play them?
Sorta like the Silent Hill or Devil May Cry images?

Just play 8, it's not really a story game.

Who could remember that thing?

Damn, Hawkwind is such a gary stu in this OVA, always stealing the spotlight.
It's a great watch though, Werdna also looks pretty badass.

Great. Any chance there's an eboot I can use to play this on psp?

>curated platform
"curated" I think all know what they really mean

Play it

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Japs love wizardry. Someone bought the license. A lot of JRPGs back in the 80s/90s had that dungeon crawler feel.

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If you go with 8 make sure you get wiz8fast which will speed up combat by a decent amount, and there is a LOT of combat.
I don't think anyone bothered.
Excellent choice.

Elminage Gothic was on GOG. It looked even shittier than this. Something changed about gog's requirements.
gog.com/game/elminage_gothic
youtube.com/watch?v=RlBm9oWbZeU

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IPs never die, user. The Japanese like Wizardry and a Japanese company bought the rights.

Play this.

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The Mmo was great you fucking take that back zoomer shit

Elminage is a poverty game series in terms of graphics, but everything else is worlds above LoLS, and Gothic especially is a fantastic dungeon crawler, arguably the culmination of classic Wizardry outside the lack of puzzles compared to the previous games.

Elminage Original isn't on GOG either, that one actually came out after Gothic which is why it looks better (even though it preludes it). I assume D3 Publisher who did that one didn't bother trying to get on GOG though.

Japanese crawlers are a wonderful world full of discovery.

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actually looks cool

Or you could play this
youtube.com/watch?v=EefXeHPPj7A

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All the crazy shit in wizardry 1-8 makes me want to play them

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Made by same people who made demon gaze, wizardry xth was their first title before disbanding the old studio and making exp inc.

>level draining enemies
out of all old school dastardly trickery
this is the fucking worst

That seems weirdly harsh considering they seem to have nothing but good stuff to say about it. What the hell are they thinking?
Even then, what kind of weird things would you have to do manually that won't justify it?

I loved that game. I remember it was pretty brutal getting started but was fun once i got going and was pretty comfy playing on the DS.

That game has some bangers.
youtube.com/watch?v=b28c9blyoi0

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Literally anything that permanently decreases stats triggers my autism something hellish.

gematsu.com/2017/10/yomi-wo-saku-hana-delayed-spring-2019-japan

What the fuck
Did this ever come out?

Abyss and Dark zero is good

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It sounds crazy but by the time you get to those kinds of encounters you can wipe them out easily, even in Wiz1, only the odd enemy like Master Ninjas can be dangerous on normal encounters due to how fast they can be, the only real danger in those games are ambushes, which on end game layers might as well be a soft reset, and you have to deal with that.
Or it can be Wizardry 4
But yeah, you should play them, they're great games and kickstarted the whole genre for a reason, the original trilogy might be too archaic by now for most people, but it's still a very nice experience.

You'd imagine that a company this well-known that only made 7k in profits would try, I don't know, something else? Like accepting games.

>Even then, what kind of weird things would you have to do manually that won't justify it?
I know all patches used to be manual, for example, I think that's changed for some devs with Galaxy but not sure if everyone gets access.
They also play through the old games to get the screenshots for the store page, not sure if they do that for the new ones or if they just use developer-provided ones.
I can't imagine any other possible reason though, Valve only charges $99 for it so it can't possibly be an expensive process unless they're doing something retarded, and if it is cheap and they're not accepting a bunch of decent-to-good games then they're just shooting themselves.

>retard doesn’t understand curating games means cutting costs

I've been tempted to buy those on gameliner.jp but the lack of English support makes me think it'd be impossible to finish them.

Not going to lie, Dark Spire was one of the most real wizardry clones. Down to the very core gameplay aspects.

I got deep enough in this game to the point where you'd start encountering high vampires who could turn your party members to ash, which is a grade below ordinary death
I went up and attempted resurrection, it failed, and my ash'd characters were deleted
Fuck that game

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>Maybe GOG doesn't want weeb shit shitting up their store?

>Sounds based to me.

>I mean Wizardry is neither Good, Old or even really a Game.

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More like gag-chan

I just looked at the trailer. It looks terrible.

what happens in wizardry 4

Right, maybe this year they'll make 8k in profits.
Considering how they've already got their name out there, they have CDPR to carry their name even further, you'd imagine they'd try to be more open. It's not like their store is nothing but gold.

>people actually celebrate and miss this shit
Stockholm syndrome is one hell of a drug
There's literally nothing good from the mainline wizardry games, you guys are just in an abusive relationship. No, reloading because you got crit'd does not "build atmosphere". This shit is the rpg equivalent of horror games where the monsters kill you on contact.

It may have to do with DRM. Like maybe they wanted to use their own DRM flavor but were told 'no, no DRM or bust'.

>what happens in wizardry 4
Endless torment

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user are you retarded. The steam version of vtmb doesn't even boot without external patches.

>Square cant buy Ultima from EA because EA is hold the IP as hostage

>Would xseed even bother applying for gog if the game had DRM?
I think they would just so they can say "SORRY, WE WERE REJECTED"

Yup, I'd honestly suggest it to beginners over any Wizardry game. It's super funny, great art style, the dungeon design is great, only having to manage 4 characters is a lot easier, and the mechanics are essentially AD&D and transfer over well to Wizardry proper. The fact that it has wireframe mode (that runs 5 fps faster) is a cherry on top.

It's literally a PS3/Vita game, it isn't even a generation old.

It's such a weird thing. Although that does make that report on how little they made in profits understandable. Either something in management is wrong or they're just so restrictive that they don't have anything new to bring in customers.

>want to play old school dungeon crawler
>get to char creation
>mega autism kicks in
It’s just too much for me, even something like Baldur’s Gate means potentially wasting hours in character creation, 4 man party is an endeavour in its own right, 8 man parties make me want to fucking die.

THE YEAR OF GWENT BABY

oh well, that's ok. I guess I will buy it on steam. I still use steam and gog daily.

The Humble Store release is going to be DRM-free.

GOG version of VtMB comes pre-patched with the fan patch. You can install the very same patch on the Steam version too, Steam just gives you the option of playing vanilla too, unlike GOG.

I'm guessing if devs are interested in gog, they already know their whole sales pitch is "no drm".

if the game in question is older than the people arguing about its age, yes, the PS3 is not old in comparison, seeing as it would not be allowed to post here, either.

Lord British got the IP and went to make his own remake of Ultima online known as Shroud of the Avatar
sadly he's also a libcuck

Is the game actually good?
It has a 57 on metacritic, not like that means much though

Dude, Andrew Greenberg aka Werdna and Robert Woodhead aka Trebor (sux) were the original weebs

if you are trying to argue against someone who is rich enough to have been in space, live in a castle, and actually in his own imaginary world, you are plainly on the wrong side, since he is in history, and you are here.

>wasting hours in character creation
I know that feel. Its the right thing to balance things right though. Restarting is worse than wasting hours on creation.

There are better games, but there hasn't been a Wizardry on PC in over a decade. Wizrogue and Online don't count.

I'm pretty casual to these games but been having fun, I've only played some SMT, Etrian Odyssey, Dungeon Travelers 2, Stranger of Sword City, and Demon Gaze. What other games would you recommend that aren't too different.

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>Wizardry
Who actually owns the IP at this point? I know the Sirotechs tried to run off with it when Sir-Tech went belly up for some guy hunted them down in court and won.

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GoG never approved Dusk either. Those Polacks hate money, apparently.

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>dumb nigger doesn’t understand how revenue and profit work
They made 34 million bucks in revenue last year.
Do you think gog has a yearly 30+ million dollar operating cost?
No, you dumb faggot, they put the money back into the business.

Let me paint you a picture your monkey brain can understand:
>little user is running a lemonade stand
>little user earns $20 revenue from his lemonade
>little user uses $18 to buy more cups and lemons so he can make and sell more lemonade because the demand is strong
>little user made a profit of $2, but is now able to make and sell $100 worth of lemonade tomorrow

>Wizardry thread
>No one has posted THE MAP
Ok, someone had to do it

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It's better like that, Square doesn't even know what to make of their IPs either way, I'd rather have Capcom buy the SaGa series off them, they'd treat it with far more respect than those hacks at Square given how there's fans in the dev teams there.
Besides, SaGa is a very competent child of classic Ultima, it manages to recapture the same feeling of adventuring in weird and romantic worlds more than any other series so far, and it's mechanically excellent, so I don't really miss Ultima thanks to it.
Garriot might have lost its touch in terms of games, but keep politics out of this thread.

Being obsessed with Drumpf every fucking day and seriously listening to John Oliver is beyond just being libcuck.

Don't know about this game in particular but I doubt it's that bad relative to the rest of the franchise. Problem is that hardline Wizardry is targeted at a very niche fanbase that actually enjoy statistical analysis and long-term risk management in their RPGs; it's barely one step above those games that just simulate stock market trading. Reviewers are closer to average players, who naturally find the games weird and incomprehensible.

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I mean from what I can tell from the trailer, this looks like a pretty low quality JRPG? Like, this came out in 2009, and they've made better looking RPGs 10 years before that.

I'm not saying it's not fun, it's just.. super cheap, specially considering when it was originally made,
GBA games from 2001 look better than this.

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i thought it was just taking a long ass time to approve
source me but hopefully don't so i know you're just lying instead

This reminds me of an electronic schematic.

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trademarks.justia.com/owners/ipm-inc-2531043/
This is the company they sold it to, it was owned by Gamepot which was then absorbed into its parent company GMO. I believe it's still theirs.
The steam page says
>"Wizardry" is a trademark or a servicemark of GMO Internet, Inc. in Japan and other countries. (c)2009-2019 ACQUIRE Corp. Licensed to and published by XSEED Games / Marvelous USA, Inc.
at the bottom

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>ACQUIRE Corporation
>acquires the rights to weird shit

huh

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>I have no idea what the "store requirements" could possibly be.

They're not listed anywhere and there are no benefits in hiding them, so I'm guessing it's a guy throwing darts.

"Your favorite store thinks it isn't good enough to sell" isn't really a convincing sales pitch

Acquire are just the developers of the original PS3 version, not sure if they worked on this PC release or if XSEED did all the work there.

>tfw DSP will never play a Wizardry game

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Welcome to Wizardry. Pic related came out the same year as the first Megami Tensei. The fanbase doesn't care.

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>map1-04: the cuckshed

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>there are no benefits in hiding them
Except there are. If it’s clear-cut and public, you can’t deny a game that you don’t want on the store or you think sets a bad precedent for whatever reason, and if you make something up there will be 50 games on the store already that do the same thing.

I fucking despise Wiz4, it's one of the few games that gave me legit PTSD.
Fucking minesweeper bullshit, still better than the pyramid though.

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So this is where the Japanese got the idea for pachinko...

i'd be p. mad if I got to the end of all those doors and it turns out I went the wrong way.

Oh no, I mean I totally GET that people don't care, or even might be into it, I'm just saying that it might be a reason why a store might say "nah, bro. Nah" Because, like you point out yourself, What they're putting out graphically is not really "acceptable" for the time. At least not for the general consumer.

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what

Just converted it from a .bin and now it's running!
Anything I ought to know before I jump into wizardry 1 or should I just start playing? This is my first dungeon crawler.

Weird that franchises that did ton of shit for genre barely changes through years.

Even SMT and DQ is quite basic compared to ton of rpgs.

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When has GOG cared about graphics when it comes to products

Wait, why the fuck is there weebshit with the Wizardry name?

Well "old game that looks like shit" used to be a requirement to be sold on GOG. It would be funny if it's the opposite now. Guess they already drained the old users of all their boomerbux.

Resting at the stables recovers magic but not health, so rest there with your priest, go into the dungeon, use his heal spell, and then rinse and repeat until everyone is healed up. Free healing.

Do you guys play with the maps available, or do you draw them yourselves

Is this one of those games where spinner tiles give you no indication that you actually spun?

Aside from having an anime look to the artstyle Japanese Wizardry is basically westaboo shit. They're overly loyal to a very specific style of western RPG that really only existed as a niche for a short period of time. They're too focused on the dark fantasy elements when the games originally had a lot of silly elements like the anachronistic puns and cultural references and they're all about the pure dungeon crawling that Wizardry had been getting away from by the time Sirtech collapsed

Sir-Tech sold the rights to the Japanese when they went bankrupt years ago.

For anyone who are interested on how are these games with some detail, these are a good read
lparchive.org/Wizardry-Proving-Grounds-of-the-Mad-Overlord/
lparchive.org/Wizardry-IV/

Note: Even if you read them, you will not be prepared for these games

Of course not, what's the point of playing with maps in a dungeon crawler?
Besides, I absolutely fucking guarantee you that having maps doesn't make Wiz4 much easier.

I don't get it
Aren't those just normal doors?

japan fuckign loves wizardry

I said that they never approved it, not that they outright turned it down. The game came out in December. Wizardry was just announced and GoG already got back to them about what's what.
Either GoG doesn't care enough to approve Dusk or they have no plans to do so.

once you select proving ground from the main menu, you'll be brought to a menu for proving ground. go to options, and change the first four settings to 英語 (far right option). that makes the text english
things that weren't in the original dos game won't be in english though, so spell descriptions will still be in japanese
you can actually lose stats while leveling up. it's pretty brutal and not in a fun way

And yet, their profit margin was just 7k. For a company that big, that's a small margin of error.

For the full experience, you should draw them by yourself but if your drawings suck, just download the maps, the games are still pretty hard regardless.

>a proper reply
Thanks, user.

There is a teleporter trap in that level, and one of the squares has no exit.

It's a shitty store that is exploding finally.
Download your shitty pre-cracked installers now before they go 404 on you gogs

There is a teleporter trap in that level, and one section has no exit

The difference is "game that isn't actually old enough to warrant the level of graphical quality (or lack thereof)." Not just "game looks like ass". Of course lots of old GoG titles look bad, but they did actually come out in the 80s and not 2009.

Yep I found this explanation
rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/what-switches-do-you-need-to-enable-for-psx-version-of-wizardry-llylgamyn-saga.107745/

Neat, thanks for the tip

Fucking WIZARDRY of all game series could not get on GoG anymore?
That's insane. That's one of the franchises the damn thing was invented for.

>implying they’re not sitting on enough cash that it doesn’t matter
If you’re expanding, you’re not going to give a shit about a year’s worth of profit.

Alternatively, grab Grid Cartographer which hooks into DOSBox or LibRetro and automaps as you play.

wanna play some wizardry on the go with my PSP
should I emulate the SNES releases or look for a way to get the PS1 compilations running?

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Wizardry was one of the first RPGs to be introduced to Japan, directly inspired many of the original JRPG franchises, and was a big part of the culture's original understanding of western fantasy that persists to this day (along with D&D). If you ever wondered why so much western-style Japanese pop fantasy revolves around game mechanics, Wizardry is ultimately the main reason.

>ps3 game

Wizardry 4 came out in 87, Shit Megaman Teacher looked like this and was about a quarter of the scope of Wizardry 4.

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PSone is better but SNES is fine too.

I just grabbed the .bin online and used PSX2PSP to convert it. See for english.

This is Japan Wizardry. Mostly derived from the console spin-offs. It's not far fetched why GOG wouldn't want these, since a lot of its users are like you, would mistake these with Sir-tech Wizardry and get mad at the supposed bait and switch.

people have said that the snes version of llylgamyn saga has bugs that aren't in the ps1 version, but I've not seen any examples of what bugs it has

>Shit Megaman Teacher
Kek. I hope some drawfag lurking here picks this for a shitty doodle

you can convert eboots with psx2psp?

More like gutted the awesome Bradley world and instead went with redoing Proving Grounds of Mad Overlord over and over.

They can't copy 6 for shit. 6 had a perfect mix of humour and philosophical shit.

Clever tricks Best shit was opening a map treasure chest only to find someone else was there already and grabbed it before you.

Was there ever a Wizardry 9? What are these JP waifu releases considered? Their own series within Wizardry?

It's shit because it's shit.

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GoG has store requirements?

Japs bought the IP way back when because the japs absolutely loved Wizardry. It's why blobbers are still a thing in current year and why all jRPGs have sci-fi shit in fantasy games.

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Japan has been milking Wizardry for decades. They love that shit.

It's generic excuse they use so they can arbitrarily reject games they don't want because the person in charge is too busy PMSing or dilating.

I agree with that. Even if something disastrous does happen, they always have CDPR to fall back on and its investors.

>Was there ever a Wizardry 9
No, the mainline stopped at 8.
The other Wizardry "mainlines" after 8 always had some sort of subtitle, but never a number.

The Japanese Wizardry games outnumber the originals by a factor of about five to one. It's most convenient to just think of the originals as one series amongst many.

Bazed

>that robot

is that a some kind of modded enemy,I don't remember seeing it anywhere

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I think it's in the Sky City with Helazoids.

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"No anime tiddy"

>That seems weirdly harsh considering they seem to have nothing but good stuff to say about it. What the hell are they thinking?
It's probably about the fact that everything you add to a digital store is there forever. Even if the devs want to take it down at a later time, the store still has to offer the download (and maintain the resources) to all the customers that had already bought it.

Forever is a long time for a game that might only see 5-10 downloads a year 10 years later, and less after that.

It's something I think about with Steam all the time. All the crap in this screenshot, plus all those x1000 shitty slider puzzle hentai games, will all be available to download 25 years from now. 50 years from now. They have to maintain those assets for as long as they keep their store running. It isn't like a physical store where you can just stop carrying the disks for old stuff whenever you want.

I think overly harsh curation that focuses on the long term is not only smart but also necessary, even if Steam is determined to prove me wrong.

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Any of the series worth a damn then? I've only played 6 & 8 here, and I really, really fucking liked 8's approach to full 3d combat instead of the traditional grid-lock playfield of most games of that genre.

5 & 7 maybe. Japs never could translate what made Wizardry games good.

I guess that's what that 30% is for.

The MMO actually was fun for what it was

8 is pretty unique user. If you want a dungeon crawler without turnbased combat try Ultima Underworld games

>Any of the series worth a damn then?
>I've only played 6 & 8 here
Japanese Wizardry never takes Bradley's Wizardry formula, if you like classic Wiz you're gonna have a field day, but if you expect more Dark Savant, you're in the wrong place.
I'd say get Elminage Gothic from GoG and see if it clicks, although on the other hand it might be better to play more entry level games like Dark Spire, Gothic is very much the apex of the classic Wizardry formula, some games might have singular aspects done better but don't reach the overall level of quality, it's tough to beat.

Already played both of those years ago. Do wish they'd get a modern port, because they make me nauseous today due to the weird perspective warping it has around the edges of the rendered viewport.

On the note of dungeon crawlers, jesus fuck I could go for a Dungeon Master 3. Grimlock 1&2 scratched that itch some, but not enough.

If you're into classic Wizardry try Empire 2, it's made by the Elminage devs and is masterclass in design.

So I never played classic Wizardry, but I assume it's like Dark Spire on the DS (great game) which kicks you in the balls and wants you to map the environments by hand?

Yes but Dark Spire is considerably more accessible and forgiving.

Good point but I'd imagine they are taking that into account when they decided to open the floodgates. I don't know enough about how that storing process works to know what kind of costs are involved so I can't say much.

Dark Spire will feel like a cakewalk compared to Elminage, especially Gothic.

It's the newer shit weeb Wizardry.

see

yeah basically.

Well fuck me then, since I thought Dark Spire's grind was a bit grueling in spots.

It is, plus the one-time $100 upload fee from the devs. But how long does that last you in the long run? If I occasionally decide to redownload and delete a 40GB game every year or so, the bandwidth comes from that initial budget and never gets made up.

Realistically, the profit from newer, hot games will begin to start shouldering the costs of the mountains of 30 year old crap they are maintaining from, and it will only increase in the following decades. I am incredibly curious how this will be handled 50 years from now.

If it's DRM-free anywhere else, I don't give a fuck. Still odd that GOG rejected it. They should have taken it if only because of the brand.

Dungeon Master 2 was too good. I wish there was DM3 that built up on it.

>If I occasionally decide to redownload and delete a 40GB game every year or so, the bandwidth comes from that initial budget and never gets made up.

I obviously can't confirm it but I guess there's a very very tiny % of users who would do that and it wouldn't be an issue.

I image that's the hope. They have a certain bandwidth need for the modern stuff and just let all the unpopular past games sit in the margin of that budget.

More than the grind is that Elminage is mechanically much richer, and the enemy design and batches are made to put up a fight since the very first dungeon, let alone the dungeon design itself, which is on another level.
This is without accounting for all the deliberate traps in progression, which is also more open and nonlinear, the sheer variety in classes and their gameplay, party composition, scavenging and forging etc.
And this is if you want a fairly normal playthrough and not make something like a Summoner run where you play with a party of spirit pact characters, which is amazing in its own right since in Elminage you can even recruit boss monsters to fight for you and turn them into legit playable characters.

It's just a very deep game made for people who know classic wizardry inside out, coupled with taking some hints from other dungeon crawlers around.

>Elminage on GoG
>but not Wizardry

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Temper your expectations, the japs own wizardry now.

>complain about steam having no curation against shitty shovelware games
>complain about GOG having curation against shitty shovelware games

>all the fake wizardry fans coming out being surprised that japs took over wizardry

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nobody likes weebshit user

Yea Forums is mostly made up of posers and casuals, what do you expect?

low budget doesn't equal shitty shovelware, user

>First Grimoire and now this.
neither of these game would sell well and give them money
Grimoire sold what, maybe a little above a hundred copies?

It had a great sense of exploration, music, and that "Wait am I supposed to be here at this point?" feeling through a lot of it that made it tense.

If nobody is downloading it, and the devs aren't updating it, all it takes up is space in one of the millions of drive arrays. If a game is curated, it only makes sense if they refuse it for legality reasons or spamming asset flips.

Oh yeah, I can see why it wasn't approved. It looks too much like those dozens of F2P dungeon crawlers on the app store.

why is it better?
the pixel art in the snes looks prettier

There are hundreds of us!

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Eh? Wizardry is a genre classic. What's more GOG has kind of made a name for themselves when it comes to dungeon crawlers. They've been advertising classic dungeon crawlers like crazy.
I kept waiting for them to add more of them. And now it turns out they won't? They denied it?

Shit. What are you doing GOG?

Is Grimwah good?

Steam can afford to not curate shit because they have a constant flow of gorillions of dollars to pay hosting and bandwith.
GOG doesn't and they're in red numbers to boot and their technical support is much more dedicated.

I do
I like all sorts of shit

Relatively, but if you can't handle Wiz 6/7 I wouldn't suggest it, it's very archaic.

it's pretty decent but like other user said, if you're not a Wiz 6/7 fag you're not gonna have a good time

>Now
They've owned it since post 8.

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>the japs own wizardry now.
Yes and? They're great with it, and unlike westerners still respect the genre.

Not if you're a sape

>"Your favorite store thinks it isn't good enough to sell" isn't really a convincing sales pitch

Except that would turn people against GOG, not the game.

Christ, I know some people don't like Jap Wizardry, but could you imagine the IP in the hands of a modern Western developer?

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It's for true, genuine thals only, chances are you're not part of the superior genetic pool that can enjoy such a masterpiece, i.e. you're a fucking sape.

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it'd probably just be completely dead, like M&M

F
I miss my porkul, never going to see her again ;_;

One ex employee mentioned that management at GoG radically changed and they no longer want those types of games.

As a general rule GOG versions of games are the superior versions of games because you will continue to own then after I destroy the Internet in 2025.

>but could you imagine the IP in the hands of a modern Western developer?

I'd rather not.

What kind of game? Japanese?

Fallout 3, those SNK games have macOS and Linux ports that Steam lacks et al.

Looks like an updated version Wizardry 1-3.

And these look like faggots.

That was a wild claim by Cleve which he never backed up

>All the crap in this screenshot, plus all those x1000 shitty slider puzzle hentai games, will all be available to download 25 years from now. 50 years from now.

Bitch, neither Steam nor Epic nor GOG nor even Google will exist 50 years from now. Internet itself might but literally no internet-based company that currently exists will exist 50 years from now.

this game is just mean, what the fug.

What happened to the race variety? All I see are humans and elves.

It sounded like bullshit when Grimoire was rejected, because Grimoire was at launch a completely broken game. Might still be, I haven't checked. But seeing GOG give the middle finger to other similar games that evidently work just fine changes the picture.

What the fuck happened to Wizardry? This shit looks as bad as your average weeb doujin game.

Looks fine to me
You zoomers are dumb, what matters in these games is the dungeon and monster mechanical designs not the graphics

You know nothing.
Wizardry 4 is so fucking mean you have to deal with a NPC moving IN REAL TIME in a turn based game, and when said NPC finds you (he homes on you) it's an instant game over.

Based GOG
Fuck soulless 11 nu-Wizardry

>japs did good with wizardry
>nothing but shit "gaiden" anime schlock and bad gameplay
Nah, piss off.

They reject anything. Hell, they rejected fucking Undertale.

That's pretty much all wizardry is after the japs bought it.

>it's just anime with humans and elves now
What happened to the fantasy/sci-fi elements and other races?

Literally not true on any level.

This is why you don't hand over your game to japs unless you want it to be soulless.

>the new wizardry games are good
Sape.

This is why you don't make no new installments for pre-2000s series.

You did play the REAL Wizardry 8, right?

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Don't you ever call me sape again, shitposting nigger.

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Prove your worth.

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show game time

I am still on edge about their other prototype dark souls title.

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strategywiki.org/wiki/Wizardry:_Labyrinth_of_Lost_Souls/Races
No clue what Porklu are supposed to be but there's Dwarves and Gnomes.

I played this a bit, I like it so far.
I played this a bit (all 3 versions), I both hate and love it.

data is cheap
this is a testament to the beauty of the digital age

LoLS is just a mess, again, since Starfish lost the rights to the franchise the japanese Wizardry games only regressed all the way back to Wiz 3 standards for some reason.
They're pretty much a joke nowadays, mostly because they passed through too many different hands whereas Starfish used to work since the original japanese ports of the mainline, they're the only ones who get what Wizardry is about, which is why Elminage games have always delivered (and also reuse old Wizardry assets)

where do i start with wizardry

At the beginning.

Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord

Idiots, working on this when DINOSAUR RESURRECTION is available.

7 or 8.

6, 7, and 8 are a trilogy. Start at 6.

>bad gameplay

Hmmm.

Link it. All I found was a youtube video of the japanese version and a bunch of articles about resurrecting literal dinosaurs.

Something isn't adding up. GOG has games like Neptunia. t. own Hyperdimension Neptunia on GOG

>weebzardry

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It's not translated. As I said, nobody would touch that game but XSEED.

>everyone talks about 1-3, 4, and 6-8
>but never 5

I'll play it in Japanese.

We never talk about V user

what exactly makes these games engaging

>People pretending Wizardry hasn't always been weeb, even in Sir-Tech's hands.

guess i just imagined those ninja and samurai classes.

What's wrong with V?

Here you go, onii-chan.
dlsoft.dmm.com/list/article=maker/id=69012/
You might need a japanese proxy. It seems the website was blocked to me before I turned mine on.

The last, actual Wizardry game came out 18 years ago. This Japanese Necromancy is heresy.

The vast majority of the people who meme with the weeb shit are redditors, underages or election tourists.
I mean, just look at fucking hawkwind, Adams' self insert, a NINJA ELF, he would have been ridiculed so much nowadays.

>rating Wizardry IX

What can't ProJared seem to grasp here?

I just came here to say this game sucks ass, play a better dungeon crawler.

name a better dungeon crawler

So do I buy Wizardry 6+7 or pirate it?

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Stonekeep.

>Buying a game when the devs are long gone

Sir-Tech is dead user, no one gives a fuck

Okay thanks anons.

Thanks buddy!

>another weeb dungeon crawler

As if we didn't have enough already.

>Undertale wasn't allowed by their autist standards
BASED
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>Pretty sure there was even a shitty MMO.
It was kinda cool actually.

man if only grimrock had turn based combat it would be the perfect game

I see the anti-Japan dungeon crawler autist found this thread as usual

it's already a better wizardry

What the others said but I did find it on a cheap bundle the other day

fanatical.com/en/bundle/fanatical-anthology-fantasy-bundle

Steam doesn't has the Linux version of Botanicula for some reason.

This seems to be pretty widespread revulsion, whoever is shitting up your underage panty quest dungeon crawler threads is not the boogeyman you seek in this one.

That shovelware shit isn't Wizardry. They already have all the Wizardry games that matter on gog.
Labyrinth of Lost Souls got poor reviews in Japan too, why are people pretending to like this junk?

>Looks like an updated version Wizardry 1-3
That's what the PS1 versions were, not this cheap looking garbage.

That earth spell at 1:06 looks fucking fantastic

yeah but its still garbage because it's real time

Nothing. Is actually a good game but it feels like a mix between a beta version for 6 and the past games. And the best version of the game is japanese only

This is what a correct opinion looks like.