Rank these 4 SMT games from best to worst

Where's Kuzunoha Raidou?

All Atlus games are for fedoras, don't kid yourself.

Soul Hacker is better than P2 and 3 though. it has the best combat in the series.

/thread

Nocturne>P3>DDS>P2
I love Innocent sin and all but it's mind numbingly easy and tedious. Doesn't help that eternal punishment is stuck on the ps1.

>playing Nocturne for the first time
>mfw the first optional dungeon
are all of them as annoying as this

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>P3 that high
Lmao

This list is schizo as fuck. Could you elaborate? I literally have no idea what it is that you value in these games in the first place.

Labyrinth of Amala is the best dungeon in the game

it's a Yea Forumscore opinion list based off arbitrary aesthetic values because he doesn't actually have fun playing games

Nocturne>P2>DDS2>P3
None of these are my favorite of all of MegaTen, though.

I don't doubt that later parts of it might be but this falling floor shit is pissing me off
I just want to fuse Matador

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Let the man speak for himself dude. I'm not shittalking, just curious.

Ok
Nocturne > P3 > DDS2 > P2

>these 4 smt games
I see 2

actually good megaten games>Nocturne>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P3 > DDS2 > IS

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I see only 1. DDS isn't SMT.

Nocturne > P3 > P2 >>> DDS2

Please kill yourself

Nocturne is barely mainline to be honset. I see no SMT games anywhere.
Don't be so pedantic.

Shitsona 3 is not a SMT game.

I'd say Nocturne>P3>DDS2 at the very least, I can't comment on P2. I think Nocturne is vastly better than those other two though, not because I'm especially fond of Nocturne, but because P3 and DDS2 are probably my least liked MegaTen games.

>Nocturne is barely mainline to be honset.
It's undoubtedly mainline, and is one of the few games to have the SMT title in both Japan and internationally. Why is it "barely mainline" to you

Nocture > P3 = P2 > DDS2

Neither are DDS2 or P2.

but dds and p2 are? nice try secondary

DD2 > Nocturne > P3 > all the bad Final Fantasy games > P2

P2 is the most overrated entry in the franchise. Gameplay was ass in the 90s and has aged like milk.

>actually good megaten games
Like what

Well it differs from the rest with the Reasons instead of alignments and whatnot but it was mostly a joke. The spoiler is not a joke however.

DDS has Demifiend, P2 has the Kuzunoha agency.
Stay mad Shitsona 3-5 fags.

I think what he's saying is:
>the magatama system
>no alignments
>instead Reasons
>featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series

>2009+10
>retards still call megaten SMT

Hop off the hate bandwagon, fag.

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Persona 3 > Nocturne > Innocent Sin > DDS

The existence of Kuzunoha's and the Demi-Fiend doesn't decide what is and is not an SMT game, whether or not SMT is in the title does and SMT is in the title of none of these games except Nocturne.

>Shitsona
based

So Nocturne is a DMC game because it has Dante?

DDS > P2IS > Nocturne > P3

You are retarded but so is lingering on titles and subtitles in general.

I see 2.
Amen.

>So Nocturne is a SMT game because it has Raidou?
ftfy

Soul Hackers is one of the only translated megaten games I haven't played which version should I play?

>Kuzunoha
Who?

Nocturne > DDS2 > P3F >>> P2
Interesting story doesn't make up the terribly dull and uninteresting gameplay, so fuck off P2fags

So what you're saying is, that Strange Journey is not a SMT game?

thread over

Based, but put Nocturne in last, mainline AND is trash

P2 > DDS2

This has already been decided by RPG experts themselves, see pic related

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Yup

Strange Journey is in the title of the Japanese release, it's just not numbered. It's like if...

Persona isnt a real SMT game btw

t. "megaten fan" who's only played p3, p4 and p5

Raidou games aren't SMT

>P3 better that Soul Hackers
>P3 better than any mainline
Lmao

> Nocturne in dead last
HAHAAHAAAA, Fedora wearing fags BTFO'D again

P3FES>DDS2>Nocturne>Innocent Sin

P2 has garbage gameplay

lmao

Saying it's not a "real" SMT game makes it out like it's a fake SMT game, when it's just not an SMT game at all, and that's by design, they made it a spinoff for a reason the same as any other non-SMT MegaTen games. I don't know why retards are so obsessed with acting like the merit of any MegaTen game is tied directly to how SMT it is or isn't.

>What is the Akarana Corridor?

Look at this retard.

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Real list coming through:
P5 > DDS > P2IS > P3 > P4 > Nocturne > Raidou1 > DDS2 > P2EP > P1 > SMTII > SMTIF

DDS2 is, at best, extremely mediocre, in his defense.

>nocturne has the lowest gameplay score

not smt

Why did you play SMT2 without playing SMT1?

Alright, thread's over.

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This man plays megaten. Impeccable taste.

But there's only one smt game on there
DDS2>=Nocturne>P3>P2 in terms of preference of gameplay

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Can we all agree on this?

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nah he ''plays'' megaten
this is the list of someone who plays megaten

No.

Only 3DS version is released in the West, so...

Nocturne is garbage, DDS2 is objectively the best in the series

>P3 being anywhere but the bottom
>IVA being lower than fucking P3
No.

Maybe they both play MegaTen and just have different opinions.

It's still playable today, unlike P2 which is a fucking disaster in terms of gameplay. So yeah, kill yourself shitsonafag defender

>DDSfags
Pathetic as usual.

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Reminder that DDS2 is the 2nd highest rated game they’ve ever reviewed. Even higher than Ocarina Of Time when it came out

>persona 3
>story: 96%
opinion discarded.

>DDS2 above DDS1
This conflicts me, I would call the first game vastly superior to the second one, head and shoulders above even. In terms of atmosphere, soundtrack, dungeons and story even.

Because it’s shit

No way. P4, 5 SMT4, 4A and SMT2 need to move up while Kyuuyaku and SMT1 need to move down.
Also try persona 1 it's good.

That's because it is.

I didn't say anything about P2, I just said DDS2 is extremely mediocre, at best.

Mediocre is still better than shit, that's what I was getting at, I got it mixed up.

Why would anyone pretend to be quentin?

I wouldn't say it's vastly better, but I agree it is better. Neither game deserves to be higher than B-tier in my eyes though, and that's being generous. C tier seems most appropriate.

No, because this is mine.

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Seething Nocturne fag

>Fight Heat
>All Zio skills were on Roland and Argilla
It took me days to beat him

at least I got to listen to this the whole time
youtu.be/ZPsU-ZMC6SA

That's not possible, only my opinions are valid.

Fuck, Marry, Kill.

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No because I've played Persona PSP

The first game it's really well rounded, The only thing I dislike is that it HAS to be paired with DDS2, and since it was rushed everything that was riding on the first one is wasted on DDS2

Devil Survivor

Spoken like a true alignment hero. Watch out or you might get fucking killed by a friend of yours.

Fuck off Quentin

If by annoying you mean FUN, yes, they get FUNNER

>Find a healing spot with cute girls
>They put you to sleep and rob you
>Don't even heal

Nocturne is the kick in the balls gamers need these days

only the games I've played. Any remakes are used interchangeably ie Strange Journey & Redux

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>DDS2
>P3
>IS
>better gameplay than Nocturne

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Marry Persona 1
Fuck Innocent Sin
Kill Eternal Punishment

>Persona 2
>Gameplay 92%
lmao

Being able to make Construction noises is an automatic 90% on it's own

I disagree with some of your placements but think you have pretty good taste. I do find it a bit strange that you're so willing to overlook SMT1 and 2's issues that you put them at the very top of the list, but they do have their good points so I still get where you're coming from, to a degree.

I just find both games really forgettable outside of their soundtracks and artstyles, which already applies to plenty of other MegaTen games anyway, even if I'd say DDS has some of Kaneko's and Meguro's best work. The only things aside from that that made an impression on me were the first game's setting and some parts of the story, but on the whole the games just made almost no impression on me, which is something that can't be said for me when it comes to other MegaTen games, even for something like P3 which I didn't really like and don't believe is a very well-made game, is still a game that left a lasting impression on me and was a memorable time, but DDS just did not grab me like that in any way.

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Nocturne is garbage & fails in every aspect

hee and hopilled

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I feel the same way, the first game was engaging from the start to me, the demon designs, the setting, the constant grey hopeless atmosphere with that music that sets the tone perfectly, I was seriously amazed by the first one.
Then I played the second one expecting absolute godtier sequel and it completely failed to impress me (except for the soundtrack). It was just bland and mediocre, which really damaged the whole experience to me even if it's not a bad game.

Nocturne and Strange Journey are in a league of their own above everything else.

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Strange Journey would benefit from being 3D in the same vein as Nocturne.
I'm absolutely sure about this.

The bigger question is who the fuck actually goes law?

SJ is perfectly mediocre

SMT 1 & 2 are atmosphere and immersion masterpieces. The gameplay has aged like milk, but the feeling of exploring a ruined world hasn't really hit as hard as these two have. I really hope SMTV figures it out.

>tfw like the smt series but havent played any of these
Already played all the 3ds ones and Persona 5, smt iv being my favorite. What would be the best one for me if i had to choose one of the image?

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All SMT would benefit from being 3D I don't think it's up to debate. Actually some of the demon's portrait details will be lost in the transition but I think it's a decent trade off.

DDS as a series is sort of weird as it was essentially Atlus first attempt at a megaten that appealed to a wider audience. It's more streamlined with a set party, has greater character focus on characters and plot, and uses a more simple and less abstract method pf story telling. It's essentially Megaten x Final Fantasy, which depending on who you might not be great.

NONONONONO MY QUOTE FROM THE DIRECTOR

Probably Nocturne.

>tfw SMT V is forever stuck in dev limbo
>tease Nocturne remake just to shut up the fans
Yeah, Atlus is wasting another decade on the next Persona.

>the feeling of exploring a ruined world hasn't really hit as hard as these two have.
This is how I feel about SMT4 and the reason why it's one of my favorites despite glaring issues in the combat.

With the crazy variety in places SJ has, it would be a gorgeous game. And far more inmersing which would be a great thing, feeling like a soldier in a crazy demon infested hell would be pretty good.

What quote is this?

Persona 3 > Trashcan > the rest of them

Assuming you mean third person and not just 3d then that would require a complete overhaul to the game. SJ was designed as a first person dungeon crawler, nothing wrong with that.
How can you like a series you never played?

Go play Nocturne. Play it blind, makes it far better.

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The development of SMTV has nothing to do with the develop of any Personal, stop bitching. P5 went through this same thing and I'd bet Re: Fantasy will go through the same thing, but the games will come out eventually.

>P5 went through this same thing
>during PS2 days Atlus released almost every game on it
>during PS3 and 4, only Catherine and fucking P5 while making low budget DS titles

I feel Nocturne achieves that to a degree, but in a different way. Earlier parts like the sewer and such really give you a feeling of a world with no humans left.
IV is weird as areas feel constricted and in the little underground towns they'll have maybe a model or two of people walking around. It's like they didn't want to bother making models of anyone beside Flynn and Nanashi.

>P2 over P3

Anyone who says this hasn't played any of the P2 games

I think it would be worth it to do a complete overhaul, the game would greatly benefit from everything 3D enviroments can offer while not compromising gameplay, small minimap drawing on a corner, forma scanner can still work.

Of course there's nothing wrong with it and when I played the original on my DS it was impressive what they'd managed to create on such a weak platform. I definitely enjoy exploring the world in Nocturne and SMT4 more even though the "dungeons" can barely qualify as dungeons.

It's hard to choose which of those games is the best one, but P2:Innocent Sin is definitely the worst.

KEK

Nocturne's world was twisted and unrecognizable. It wasn't ruined, just changed. Everywhere you go you see demons casually hanging out and forming groups with bases and whatnot in places that are normally familliar but not anymore.
In 4 it's still people living among the ruins and desperately trying to survive by scavenging so it feels more relatable.
Different kind of experience I'd say, both quality of course.

Nocturne's dungeons are fine, I never got what people complained about with them. With IV the problem was that they almost never have actual open spaces in them beside a few areas. A lot of dungeons feels like a series of hallways with little room to move around.

>start to get into persona
>start with 3, enjoying it. 10 hours in
>felt like i was doing series a disservice
>put it on hold, go to play 1 instead (PSP port)
>pretty decent game
>start 2:IS (PSP port)
>cool characters, story and music
>pretty shit gameplay
WHAT THE FUCK YOU GUYS TOLD ME IT WAS GOOD!

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#FE

My dream would be to have the amount of demons of IV with 3d models like P5

Is DDS2 really that good? I got through most of DDS1 but kept dying to vasuki and found out demifiend was an endless grind to get to and put it down.

p2's story and characters are easily better than p3's, and p3's gameplay isn't any better than p2's to make up for it.

from the image
final fantasy > shin megami tensei > unknown game > persona 1

No. It's a huge letdown coming from DDS1.

People only like DDS2 because nearly everyone dies by the end

Shit > All SMT games.

devil children

>shitting on Devil Survivor
I bet you went for Yuzu’s ending.

P4G is objectively just a better version of P4, making it obsolete.

Yes nocturne is definitely better in that aspect and my post did leave that part out and made it seem like I was grouping them together but I agree.
Still pretty simplistic compared to dungeon crawlers like strange journey however.

Nocturne>P3FES=DDS2>IS

This, Innocent Sin is ruined by the baby-tier difficulty. EP was a much, much better game.

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Have yet to play Persona 2. I keep putting it off the moment there's a million fucking random encounters and loading time.

As for the ones I have played:
Nocturne > DDS2 > P3.

P3 would be higher than DDS2 if it weren't for the shitty "your party members are retard computers who cast marin karin unless you basically force them to use what you want". DDS2 was almost too easy, even on hard (unless you go for Satan or Demi-Fiend).

Watching SMTfags discuss which game is less shit is like watching south American apes fight over which of their shit holes is less pathetic.
Have sex.

most of the SoL contnet it adds are so lengthy and shitty that it makes an argument for just playing the original. the PS2 game already had enough non story related shit happening to obfuscate the plot

DDS2 shits on DDS's build up so much that i never replayed the game ever again

Reading this post gave me AIDS.
Get married.

No, I have no idea what was going through the mind of whoever reviewed it on that website, I can understand thinking it's good, but it is not even close to that good.

Strange Journey has the best dungeons in the series so that's understandable. I see people complain about Nocturne's dungeons from time to time and I don't get it. The game has flaws, yes, but tbe dungeons never felt like one of them. They're open enough that they feel fun to explore and the strong art design of the game actually makes it interesting to sometimes just look around. In areas like the Assembly of Nihlo, the Obelisk, and tbe Tower of Kahatsuchi it was cool to just look around and admire how cool they looked.

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>Ape is triggered
Didn't expect it at all

462513330
462513772
Not worth the (You)s.

Nocturne>P2:IS=P3FES>DDS2

>SMT V becomes a what if of P5 (the MC gets killed in the interrogation room, Akeshi kills the rest of the cast, Shido becomes the prime minister) unleashing the apocalypse

>SMTfags
>only one game in the OP is SMT

You were still born an ape so who cares about who you (you)?

Nocturne > P3 > P2 > the one that I haven't played

I'm not the triggered one Mr. enter thread of thing I don't like for attention. Pathetic.
Start a family.

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That's a benefit to P4 in my eyes. One thing I like about the plot in that game, at least in comparison to the plot in 3, is how little focus its given, so the game can just focus on the characters and SoL stuff which its a lot better at than creating a plot that can remain interesting over the course of an 80 hour game. I don't like all of the SoL scenes they added in Golden, but I do think more SoL scenes was an appropriate addition to the vanilla game, they distract from the plot, but that's a game where I'm not too upset to be distracted from the plot.

I like smt games, they're fun, but they're shit, objectively, it's kind of like visiting your shit hole countries, you have some fun do some cool shit but ultimately you were on a shithole and would rather not come back.
Mono.

That'd be retarded. I like both series, but I'd rather they keep SMT its own thing and Persona its own thing. References like Destinyland being in P5 are fine, but I don't want them to go farther than that, and if they are going to go farther than that then it would have to be as cool as how it was in Raidou 1, and it just being a what-if scenario is not that cool.

>objectively
When will this retarded meme end?

I did naoya route

When your race gets expelled from Earth.

Oh cool her's some more attention.
Also how do you feel about living a long life with your loved ones and finally dying in the arms of your significant other? Cause you should definitely do that.

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You've been shitting on SMT all thread and no one gave you attention, fine.
Here's your (You), don't spend it all in one place.

Unironically this, retarded act like it's superior to FF and DQ cause of how "mature" and "deep and complex" smt is compared to those games when in reality smt is as full retard as the worst of FF. The only thing Megaten ever did better then any other JRPG was gameplay

Just ignore him you retard. It's just pic related begging for (You)s.

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Nocturne's dungeons are usually good, but some like the transitory subway lines where you need to light up the way all feel samey. I'd say the most of the Amala network are also kinda shit since they consist of trial and error in finding the correct path. But the story stuff like the Diet building, Obelisk, Pyramids, and Yoyogi Park are peak dungeon crawling.

That's my first post on the thread bud.

I only finished P3 but it was pretty great imo.

Playing nocturne right now, just got to Ikebukura or whatever the fuck it's called. Liking it a lot but is the game supposed to be blurry or is the emulator?

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Reminder youtube.com/watch?v=zlJrEwEMIpM

Yes, it's probably the single greatest game of all time. Contrarians will deny it but it's a flawless sequel

You literally never played a single megaten in your life.

Well since (you)s are not a valuable commodity and him getting them doesn't impact me the least bit I'm willing to throw the dog a bone so to speak.
These retards always crack me up after a little prodding. Please understand.

>p5
Kill yourself

Keep telling yourself that, here's one more out of pity.

Nocturne>P5>Strange Journey>SMT1>SMT2>the rest

Sounds like the emulator. Nocturne is a bit wonky when emulated, there should be a guide on the slecific settings used to make it play as clean as possible.

when will you retards learn to stop replying to obvious bait? it's been horrendous lately in megaten threads

If that helps you sleep at night.

why do i bother?

All Nocturne dungeons are good but the trial and error teleport shit

What’s the first Megaten you started with? Mine was DeSu 1. I got pretty hooked on the gameplay and alignments and wanted more.

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The absolute retard has openly admitted to shitposting too, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if he samefags his own shitposts.

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>The only thing Megaten ever did better then any other JRPG was gameplay
It's not the best at gameplay though expect maybe Soul Hackers and even that is flawed

Hm? I'm just stating my opinion.

Refer to thisIt's been a good thread I've enjoyed myself, had some nice convos. No harm in making fun of some invalids. What's wrong is taking them at face value.
For example the guy who gets triggered at the mere mention of Persona 5 is just legit crazy and will simply tire everyone who replies to him with endless garbage so I would never willingly reply to him.

Literally can't prove me wrong

Persona 3 > anything else

4A

Shit taste

Depends on what you're comparing it to I guess, even old SMT had the advantage of a shifting customizable party that you needed MAG to even keep around over more traditional jprgs, certainly an extra layer of depth imo

Nocturne>P2>P3>DDS2
two personas and no strange journey or other mainline?
shit choices smdh

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Ah I looked it up and it seems like it's just some shitty motion blur intentionally there. Whatever, I can deal with it, not like it's unplayable. Thanks though.

Final is great but it's definitely not the best turn based gameplay. It doesn't even have defensive stats

When's Atlus gonna reboot Last Bible in full HD 3D

Nocturne>P3>Cannot emulate>Old

I could easily prove you wrong or atleast try to, but I rather call you a seething, coping incel.
Checkm8 user-san.

No you couldnt

>dude solar data
>dude, lets throw every plot point set up by dds1 into the trash
>the sun dungeon
>have to revisit almost every dugeon 2 times
Fuck dds2

Still better then nuDQ and FF shit. And it's better then other smt games by not being an auto attack simulator

SMT 1 and 2 would be way better if it was so broken by status effects like shock

What are your favs then? Lets say your top 5.

Not really. DQXI is better. Press turn is a overrated casualized system

But how else is /pg/ gonna get the (you) necessary for their tranny discord?

>I can't defend my shit taste so let me dodge the question
How pathetic

should I start P3, P4, or P5 NG+?

Definitely not P5 NG+ seeing as royal is on the horizon I'd say.

>Story
Persona 3
>Gameplay / Style
Persona 5
>Nothing
Persona 4

You should play a real Sheen Megoomi Tansay game

3, but probably play portable if you want to actually manage your teammates without jumping through 20 hoops.

You've never actually played Persona 2 because that game is absolute dogshit to to go through

P5 doesn't have good gameplay

Whichever one interests you more of 3 and 4. Not P5 NG+ though, just because it'd be better to try something you haven't played yet and you may as well save a P5 replay for Royal.

P5 NG+ you can keep your stats and fight the lolis.

All turn based games are casual, Xeno is better then both

underrated game, not very often you see lucifer talk about how he is going to beat up a elementary schooler

ok
>jump through hoops
"No."
my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZ6sfI7ZvErXOMy0IIRKr6wnKywIp73zpRwy
Here is the pnach file with widescreen hack and controllable party members for PCSX2. Don't play Portable, it's junk

T. Brainlet, like MGS2 this game is pleb filter

>Xeno is better

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>gameplay
>5
Yes, I also love watching 50 hours of VN cutscenes
Epic gameplay indeed

>topplelock to win
>better than anything
No. Xenoblade is just a DPS race, all you have heavy on planning, customization and preparation. Like any other turn based rpg

that's a persona game, faggot. He's not asking about SMT

>defending dds2 garbage of a plot
I think you might enjoy the shitsona games buddy

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I wish it was just "ok"

Yeah even with Royal I am tempted to play NG+ because I know there is a lot I didnt have time for. I would rather go in with my stats than start from scratch when the new version comes.

Im interested in 3 and 4 but playing dated games often feels like a chore to me.

If you could make it through 5, 3 and 4 won't be a chore

>No
Stellar argument.
I had to time a combo just right to not get instakilled in that fight against Mikhail and Patroka at the end of the lab on Mor Ardain, all while making sure to not pull aggro and ensure my dumb AI friends survive.
That alone serves to prove you wrong. Thanks for playing.

If you have a PSP/Vita go for both, P3P or P4G. JRPGs are best played on handhelds.

>switching the target from 1 to 2
lol. Besides just use Mythra and her massive evasion buff with crit healing BoC and max custom don't even increase stats, all it has is high damage mods.

Crit healing doesn't stop getting instakilled by an enraged teamwipe genius.
If you don't know what you're talking about maybe don't even try. Some of us prefer to actually explore systems instead of just brute forcing through by grinding and then claiming to know shit.

P2 is only just marginally better than ONE MORE ONE MORE ONE MORE ONE MORE and over one hundred pounds of randomly generated floors.

Same as you, actually.

What teamwipe? You know Mythra's foresight gives at base 30% to all hit/evasion right? You can literally dodge it. Mikhail and Patroka in a straight line spamming rolling smash easily kills them. If you wanted to talk about a hard fight you should have mention the Malos battles. Those are a bitch

>fuse Matador
don't. you'll drop him really quick

>30% to all hit/evasion
Not enough. What do you not understand. I wasn't overlevelled and my stats didn't carry me through. Hell even Morag wasn't able to evade everything at that level and that's pretty much all you need to know if you're even a tiny bit familiar with this game.

It is enough though. If you fight them at30-35 you easily have enough Agility to dodge all they throw at you and even if you do get hit again, when they do shit like the Fire AOA attack you have crit healing and potion spam with Rex. You don't need to grind, the only time you need to grind is if you are playing on max custom. Also Morag is shit at that battle, she doesn't have common blades with her just her main blade

>it's not
>but it is
Let's just stop here cause the prospect of either of us lying over something so simple is something I'd rather not go into. Maybe you didn't understand that I was playing on BoC?
Doesn't matter either way I've said my piece and shared my experience and the game is by no means just a simple DPS race, unless of course you want it to be.

thanks to this thread, i've learned that every single smt is shit and is actually not smt anyway.

really appreciate the thoughts, lads. go fuck yourselves.

based

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Sounds like your experience was that you were bad at the game

You're the one who brute forced through it though.
What you want a shittalking contest? No can do buddy, seek attention elsewhere, this thread's not even about xenoblade.

Nocturne=DDS2=P3=P2
I love all of them and they're still playable to this day.

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Based

I'm not the user you were previously talking to, just making and observation as a third party

D1>V3>Girls>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>D2

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Don't see how this changes things. Looked up footage of other people going through that same fight by the way. Guess what, no one even attempts to simply evade the explosion so you might just be the first. Make a video and share your skills sir.

am I kek or cringe?

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You should watch the P4G anime.

bros i just beat persona 3 and i can't stop crying
yuki had a hard life

Going by the way you type I'd say you have impressive taste for a 9 year old. How do you have the time to play all these games and where are your parents?

Which should i play soul hackers or devil survivor?

Don't see that hot take everywhere. If it's your real opinion on the series, then I appreciate that someone feels like D2 wasn't good at all. Gotta say for me it's D1=D2>V3>Girls>>>>>D3

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So I made a STR build in Nocturne and I am hitting 4000+ damage at LV.60 with Iron Claw.
Did I just break the game?

it feels like that at first, you will end up loving it by the end, same with Womb of grief, best bosses, best demon fights, and a loli stalker

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Either or. They’re both great games.

They're very different games you should be able to choose one on your own.

Welcome to the weeb club. All we do is look for video games and animes to fill the void the previous ones left.

Nocturne > DDS2 = P2 > P3

>Really Good Tier
P3FES
>Pretty Good Tier
P2:IS
>Only Played Part 1 Tier
DDS2
>Own it, Haven't Played It Tier
SMT3

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So I heard that there's "new" neutral/law/chaos endings in SJ Redux, but I'm not exactly sure that that means. Are there both, the original and the new ending in Redux or did they just replace the old ones with new ones? Currently playing it for the first time and after having spent 50 hours I don't think I can beat the game enough times to see all the endings.

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The new ones and the old ones are there, you get the new endings by finishing the Womb of Grief before the final boss, otherwise you get the old ending, the lead up to them is slightly altered though because you have to deal with Alex no matter what, and she wasn't in the initial release.

Nocturne>FES>2>dds
Fuck dds it’s shit and story is wank and only appeals to trannies

/thread

>redux
No Kazuma might aswell be non-existant. 4 never happened either.

Dds niggers need to neck themselves

>Maybe you didn't understand that I was playing on BoC?
Again BoC doesn't increase stats, just damage. If you learn how to stack agility nothing can hit you. This doesn't even apply to 2, 1 and X have the same problem with ghostwalker and agility gems

Strange journey isn’t like if you dip. The game is mainline

>Dr1 first
Just stop

I meant it's like if... in that it's SMT even if it isn't numbered, which both SJ and if... are.

>See anyone praising P3
>Discard their opinion
Anyone else?

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>graphics
>all in the same engine
>same demon models
>goes from 95% to 90%
huh?

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...

>Comfy places
>Good music
>It's a fucking incel's wet dream simulator
God fucking damn it I tried to hard to enjoy the game but GAMEplay keeps getting interrupted in a VIDEO GAME so I can read shitty smalltalk with digital waifus, fuck off

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Depends what they praise about it.

To be fair, 3 was when Persona became it's own series and not just "highschool smt". And its pretty good at that.

That is the gameplay, it gives the game a unique flow in which you move between dungeon-crawling and daily life segments as well as giving it a unique progression system by having S. Links give you strength in the dungeon crawling aspect of the game. Not to say you have to like it, but just because you're not fighting monsters doesn't mean it's not gameplay, and if the game were just climbing Tartarus it would be an even greater slog than it already is.

That's P4. 3 is still pretty much just SMT.

Honestly being able to decide Jack's Squad's fate made Strange Journey and instant 10/10. I've only ever played JRPGs where your choices don't matter aka Final Fantasy, but being able to actually have an impact on the story with your choices feels fucking amazing. Fuck Jack's Squad, fuck Zelenin and fuck Mastema

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Arguably the most retarded post ITT.

3 is SMT but the world end scenario is actually prevented

P3 is nothing like SMT, the only thing about P4 that's less SMT is that the moon cycle is irrelevant in P4. There's nothing wrong with that, it's a spinoff for a reason and has no obligation to be like SMT, but it's still not like SMT.

I don't know why people keep comparing P3 to SMT. Outside of it's overall grimdark plotline, the two don't have anything in common.

>3 is still pretty much just SMT.

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>P3 fags being elitist towards P4/5 fags

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>people
First time I've seen this claim, hence my reply about it being the most retarded post yet.

You are content with way too little my man
The fact that you cant just kill bugababoo and prevent jimenez to become that demon fusion is just one of the many things that makes SMT very far away from being a proper RPG
>I've only ever played JRPGs where your choices don't matter aka Final Fantasy,
Im sorry

P1 is a timeline where SMT 1 never happened. Basically a sequel to if...

>elitist
That's your assumption and I guess the one of all the retards above me.
I am not saying being SMT is better or worse than anything.

No one knows what smt is, people still think dds is smt when it's explicitly not, the only smt games are

I think it's just P3fags being elitist and trying to act like P3 is more niche than it really is by making it out like it's not part of "nu-sona."

It's basically a visual novel when outside of Tartarus, that's hardly gameplay in my book. Social Links are the most retarded mechanic I've ever had to witness
>Hey wouldn't it be funny if we barred the player from 100%ing the game if he gives a single wrong answer to a character?
>Also fuck him over during the dungeon crawling part of the game while we're at it!

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If you even remotely love the Megaten series, please report or sage any post that is praising or remotely running rampant with the mindset that P3 is a good game. P3 fags on this board as of lately have been trying to incite wars with the P5 fandom and are throwing around malicious attacks to spite the other games. A notorious shitposter named Ryan is active as we speak from /pg/ to put down P5 for being identical to the SMT formula. Don't let them take this away from us. P5 is one of the more soulful Persona titles we've had in a long time and renovated the series for the better with its stylish graphics, actual dungeons, and enhanced gameplay. Fuck Ryan, and fuck Persona 3 chimps.

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what a weird set of games to choose from but ok
nocturne = dds2 > is > p3

I've seen it a decent amount of times.

>soul

that being said 5 is a great game but so is 3

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It's this Looney Toon again. Everyone's looking forward to your schizophrenia

Nice try P5 peasant, even if P3 fags are pathetic you will still be lower on the pole than them

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I was wondering why so many people were discussing P3 as of lately. There's especially been a lot of people arguing between P3 and P5 for some reason in more recent SMT threads. Figures that P3 fans are mongoloids though.

>P2
>good game

When they developed Persona 2 IS and EP they spent 90% of the effort in writing and 10% on the gameplay. The P2 duology are one of the only games I'd actually reccomend people to watch instead of play

It's doesn't even have a fusion system, one of the biggest appeals of the franchise.

P2 IS and EP are really fucking low on the Persona scale.
>but muh characters

I'M PLAYING A FUCKING VIDEOGAME, MAKE THE FUCKING VIDEOGAME FUN

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Or us sane people can ignore the autistic infighting of fucking /pg/ since it does not actually affect us or the games in any way.
Holy shit some of you guys are not alright at all.

>not loving both
user, never go full contrarian.

It is basically a visual novel, but that doesn't mean it's not gameplay. It being a mix between a JRPG and a VN is part of what makes it novel, and I can understand disliking that, but it still is gameplay and how you interact with it intertwines with the gameplay in the dungeon crawling section of the game too. I disagree that S. Links are a retarded mechanic, but I don't like their implementation in 3, for the reason you mention, getting all of them in one run without a guide is really unlikely to happen which I hate. Some people complain it's too easy, but I prefer how you could realistically figure out how to get all the Confidants in 5 done in one playthrough, and I think the way you go about doing it isn't too in your face either so it's not like it's something everyone's going to go in and manage to do, assuming they're going in blind.

>just fused Black Frost with Repel Phys in Persona 5
Why is this dude so fucking great in every game? Damn.

>Nice try P5 peasant
I don't know why you obsessed P3trannies keep attacking P5. Out of all the new generation Persona titles, it sticks to the formula of SMT the most. It brought back Guns, Demons, and even negotiation instead of those retarded blobs that P3 introduced. Fuck off Ryan.

>SMT threads have been pea comfy in the last month
>Thread immediately goes to shit as soon as the Persona fags show up
Make your own threads if you want to throw shit at each other for 12 hours but leave SMTchads out of your fucking drama

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I did see a poster in recent threads who seems to have an abnormal amount of vitriol for P5 while making P3 out to be perfect, so I can kind of believe it, but you shouldn't let one shitposter make it so nobody can praise P3. I don't even really like the game, but it has its merits.

This thread was already not comfy, to be fair, but I have seen what you're saying happening in some recent SMT threads, which is unfortunate because SMT threads have been far better than usual outside of that shitposting recently.

If you haven't noticed, that's the smtfags sperging about persona, if they didn't want to sperg out about persona they wouldn't have put it in the original post

Nig frost was the only way I could beat the vidya boss in 4, he's great.
Never needed him in 3 though.

>muh us vs them
Cancer.

Nigger what are you on about? The thread wasn't comfy to begin with. P3 & P2 are in the OP image. I keep fucking telling you that Ryan is conspiring to destroy the peace of SMT and Persona threads alike by comparing P3 to everything. Get your head out of your ass.

if you take the nostalgia goggles off, p3 is just as bad if not worse.
the combat system is a gimmick based around terrible ai. the only way it becomes bearable is to either use tactics (and at that point, you might as well just get to control the whole party anyway) or use the party control mod.
tartarus is fucking awful. imagine if the kama palace was the only dungeon in p1, or if the air raid shelter was the only dungeon in innocent sin, and it took up half the game. it's a tedious, annoying slog.
i'm not saying p2's gameplay is good, because it isn't. but i'll never understand why people think p3 was an improvement. 4 and 5 were the actual improvements.

Nocturne > DDS2 > P3

I really haven't played P2, so I can't really say

>comfy thread
What makes a thread comfy?

>paying attention to shitposters instead of individually assessing if a post is worth your time or not and only replying to posts that are actually interested in discussing the games

It's like you guys WANT SMT discussion to die.

You're right, but he's also right that SMT threads go to shit when Personafags show up. Both sides are to blame, but SMTfags can be civil with one another and with fans of any other MegaTen game, their autism only lets out when Persona comes into the conversation and that only happens when Personafags show up, so it's best for the quality of the thread to not provoke either side by keeping them away from each other and not mentioning Persona.

It's just pleasant to post in, civil, no malice between people because they have different opinions on videogames.

no, honestly really explain yourself. I'm thrilled to know why you think P3's gameplay is better than Nocturne, or why it's story is anywhere near close to SMT IV or either DDS.

This ranking is stupid, what the fuck is it even based on? If gameplay then move SMT I down to II immediately holy shit.

This
>muh SMT vs Persona
>muh Persona 3 vs 5
Fuck those faggots, let's talk about Pixie instead.

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>Ryan is conspiring to destroy the peace of SMT and Persona threads
Sounds pretty based to me. Fuck lawfags, world of STR baby

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Speaking of comfy, wheres the Justine/Caroline lewds?

>If you haven't noticed, that's the smtfags sperging about persona
From my time in SMT threads on this board, in most cases where people start lashing out about Persona, it's usually when Personabots come into our threads and shitpost about the series being niche, or something along those lines to be spiteful. On the contrary, you hardly ever see SMTfags going around shitposting in a Persona thread. The Persona fanbase is simply cancerous. You can see some autistic retard sperging about P3 right now.

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>world of STR
I thought it was a meme until I saw this shit

I like High Pixie more, but not the shit High Pixie, I mean the one in Raidou 2.

No such thing on Yea Forums. At least not with this many replies.
/smtg/ is good for this kind of thing so there's no real point to giving a shit about megaten threads on Yea Forums.
Or any kind of thread on Yea Forums honestly.

These are the four best SMT games so this is hard, hmm.

nocturne > p3 > dds > p2

>ctrl + f "ryan"
/smtg/ pls go back

this is mine

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You have to be careful with Iron Claw since it has a low hit rate, make sure you have something less RNG dependent or Luci is gonna be a bitch

Generally I agree, but I think there were recently some good SMT threads on Yea Forums, though some of them went to shit towards the end.

It's on a game to game basis. STR builds in smt4 are garbage for example.

I always cast accuracy buffs/debuffs first

Fuck off Ryan. This is your last warning. I'm sick of you bashing P5 like you have a victim complex, just because P3 is such a shitty game. Go play your tactics simulator somewhere else. We actually like having proper JRPG gameplay and dungeons over here.

Again, you haven't played any of the P2 games if you don't think P3 was an improvement.
P2 was even a downgrade from P1

>No fusion system
>not even needed, the game gifts you personas out the ass so there's no incentive to use the negotiation system.
>random encounters out the ass with no estoma to help diminish them like in P1
>combat is reduced to pressing triangle and watching the fusion spell animation over and over until the enemy is dead
>dungeons are extremely big and are full of dead ends, meaning more aimless wandering around while you have to deal with random encounters
>none of the fights are challenging

P3 fixed so many things wrong with P2's gameplay and if you think otherwise you're simply a contrarian or ignorant

how do you guys approach other routes after finishing a game?

I don't

Do the opposite of what I did before.

At this rate its bound to die anyway

I burn out too easily playing RPGs so I go for the one with the most content then come back and do another route later (so neutral).
Only exception was SJ, as I did Neutral NG+ as soon as I was done with Chaos route because Mastema fusion.
I also need to bother getting into NG+ for superbosses.
Planning on doing IV sweep in order to get the bonus NG+ quests on a later date

BASED
/thread

you don’t even look summaries up?

>P3 fixed so many things wrong
Except that's fucking wrong and you know it. P3 is an outdated mess of a game, and the only way it can save face and even remotely stand on the level of the games that follow it is to have a good remake.
>Shadows are black blobs with no real design
>Enforced tactics system that feels more like artificial difficulty over keeping a basic turn based formula
>Tartarus is an absolute filler dungeon that hardly makes a difference in the grand scheme of things since you're waiting specifically killing time until the Full Moon bosses appear
>Mechanics like "sickness" added for realism, but they do nothing more than make Tartarus an even bigger slog than it already is
>Social Links are flawed as hell, so you can only date one female character at a time or you'll get penalized harshly for it
>The game virtually doesn't have a story until the midpoint of the game when you assemble the team together
You're full of shit Ryan. Get the fuck out of my thread. I'm the OP, and I'm not afraid to delete the thread if you and your discord ilk don't leave. I'm sick of you shitting up the place with your bad opinions. Nobody here likes Persona 3.

take your pills dude

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Bah, this same sort of shit affected /smtg/

No need. They try to face tank it instead of doing the smart thing with Mythra + agi common blade + Corvin

Are you okay, man?

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Garbage "taste"

Reminder that Nocturne will never be topped.

>you can only date one female character at a time or you'll get penalized harshly for it
>he doesnt know

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That's sad because after I am done with Nocturne I already feel like playing the SMT most similar to it.

Get the fuck out of my thread Ryan, this is the last time I'm going to warn you. I'm really tired of you guys fucking up good threads because you feel the need to trash Persona 5. Get over your victim complex and play better games. Persona 3 is fucking garbage. Back to
>>>/pg/
Now.

but i have, p3 is still shit in the gameplay department like 1 and 2, it's just shit in idfferent ways.
>No fusion system
fair point, but let's not ignore how 3 removed demon negotiations, other party members getting to switch their personas, ranged attacks, etc.
>random encounters out the ass with no estoma to help diminish them like in P1
p2 does have estoma, as well as clean salt items.
>combat is reduced to pressing triangle and watching the fusion spell animation over and over until the enemy is dead
p3's combat is reduced to watching your teammates cast marin karin.
>dungeons are extremely big and are full of dead ends, meaning more aimless wandering around while you have to deal with random encounters
and still, most of them aren't as bad as tartarus.
>none of the fights are challenging
great father is legitimately challenging in the ps1 version of innocent sin, but let's be real - persona isn't the type of series you play for a challenge. we already have mainline smt and saga for that.

I actually like Persona 5, though. Personal favorite Megaten for me, however, is probably Devil Survivor.
You didn’t even make this thread, did you?

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calm down sperg

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Why is that whenever we have these threads, Persona discussion of any form turns into rampant shitposting and the thread is ruined

Because people use opinions as bait.

I don't know, I guess they bring it with them. There's been Persona threads where they literally just sit around dogpiling on one specific title or the other, and that makes up 99% of the thread. It got worse after P5 released though.

Woste taste ever imaginable. You belong on r/megaten

>He knows r/megaten's taste
Why did you out yourself so hard Ryan?

>P3 removed demon negotiations
Which makes some sense in narrative context, negotiations in Persona were a neat way of getting away from fights if you were having trouble with them but none of fights in P2 required it or encouraged negotiation, they were more of a neat extra to see characters interact, which again, P2 has too much of.
Again there was no incentive to changing teammate personas or getting any personas at all in P2 because you're given them for free.
Also you're going to have to remind me what ranged attacks were.
You can't buy estoma from P2 except in one store halfway through the game, it's expensive and it's a limited stock.
P1 lets you have it from the start of the game because it actually cares for your time, unlike P2.
And P3 lets you pick fights at your own pace which is a vast improvement over random encounters

I'm just passing time until we get P5R, SMT5 or the Nocturne Switch port.

That's just how physcial builds are.

Because contrarians feel attacked when their niche franchise is lumped in with its more popular counterpart.

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That's probably the case half of the time, but as of recently there's just been all out shitposting revolving around Persona 3 and Persona 5 in the Persona fanbase particularly. It's even made it's way into SMT threads.

cringe

I love both SMT and Persona. I think they're both great since having demons fight with you/for you is pretty cool.
Also, Yukari is my favorite girl.

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take your 'tism pills user

Cool, but also cringe comment since Mitsuru is the better girl

Iron Claw is turning me into a WORLD OF STRENGTH poster.
Trumpter got raped before he could even toot.

P2 > DDS2 > Nocturne >>>> P3
Bring back Satomi Tadashi

Based. You’re okay with me, man.

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I wouldn't really know. Maybe a particular user/group of anons are just trying to stir shit up lately? Threads about RPG series always tend to stagnate due to lack of recent content.

I like smt, persona, and Yukari's delicious thighs.

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Literally came here to post this. You did good, ho.

>came back for the EPP extra content
Would be nice if he came back for another game.
Or they also rehired Masuko for OST work/

>Bring back Satomi Tadashi
>Implying they'd ever bring him back after Persona 2
Since Hashino is working on Re:Fantasy and may or may not be returning as head director or scenario writer for the Persona games, it'd be swell if Tadashi returned. Maybe not as a director, but as a writer hopefully. Who's directing P6.

I think it's the same thing there, as I get the impression a lot of P3fags, or at least falseflaggers pretending to be P3fags, act like P3 is some incredibly niche game that normalfags can't appreciate.

I love Fuuka!

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That's me with anyone praising P2.
They either haven't played it, are being contrarian, or wearing nostalgia goggles.

My favourite > not my favourite > not my favourite > your favourite

>P5 is one of the more soulful Persona titles we've had in a long time and renovated the series for the better with its stylish graphics, actual dungeons, and enhanced gameplay.
>p5babbies actually believe this
God I hate the nu-MegaTen fanbase so much

Wada, presumably, but they might just put it off until Re:Fantasy is done and then get Hashino to do it. He has said he wants a break from Persona, but Re:Fantasy might be all he needs for a break, so who can say.

Nocturne >= Persona 3 FES > Persona 2

Haven't played DDS 2

P5 is a proper callback to the series roots though and brings back demons. What did Persona 3 do? I'll wait.

>It brought back Guns, Demons, and even negotiation
And notice how all of that doesn't make something "SMT" and notice how it's complete shit in P5?

Nocturne > Persona 3 > DDS2 > Persona 2

People who put Persona 2 above 3 do it very obviously because of 3 is popular and 2 is somewhat obscure.
3 is repetitive and meandering at many parts, but it has sound mechanics and is an extremely innovative, well realized game.
2 has many really interesting aspects, but its gameplay is simply abysmal. The battles are excruciatingly slow, while being entirely without challenge or need for thought.
Or maybe people like it because other Atlus games are too hard for them?

It fixed P2's mess

I don't give a fuck about SMT Ryan. Stop changing the goal post because you can't cope with the fact that Persona 3 is objectively an inferior game that needs a remake desperately to even be on the level of P4G or P5.

P5 deserves to be bashed for being a piece of shit

>It fixed P2's mess
By having a shitty plot with bad characters? The only people who remotely even do anything or have an arc in P3 are Junpei, Mitsuru, and Yukari. Strega is an absolute meme and they're probably even worse than Adachi or Akechi.

By being a fun game

When are they reviving Raidou or Devil Summoner in general?
Been 10 years since Raidou 2 (and Kaneko stepped back from directing/drawing demons) and 6 since the port of SH. I want more devil summoning in a not-completely fucked up world

By having non-shitty gameplay

Based.

I don't know if you're aware of this but Persona is a VIDEOGAME franchise, if you're interested in character writing go read a book

>ignoring Akihiko, Ken, and Shinjiro's story
okay sure

How true is the statement "the hardest megaten game is normally your first"

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Precisely. Persona 3 isn't a fucking game, it's a visual novel, and the story is shit. Are you saying you're supposed to ignore shitty plot developments over the gameplay? Typical response that I'd expect from you Ryan.

I like Persona but I hate Personafags.

As true as all such statements.

I like megaten but I hate nigs who baitpost in threads.

I don't think Raidou will be coming back, but I'm hopeful for a new Devil Summoner after SMTV, seeing as they have the HD models and it's one of the more flexible MegaTen series out there as far as what you can do with it in terms of setting. I think if they revive any MegaTen series that hasn't seen any action in a while, that'll be the one.

I don't think it's true at all, a lot of people start with Persona, some people start with SMT1 which is braindead and I personally think IV:A is the hardest despite that not being my first MegaTen or even close to it.

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My first megaten was Imagine but it's more tedious than hard.

>Shinjiro
Literally isn't even around half the time, and when he does rejoin the party he immediately dies a dungeon later.
>Ken
>AAAAA REEE MY MOM, I'M GOING TO FUCKING KILL THIS GUY
>Okay, nevermind, I'm okay now that he's dead and I've taken time to actually grow up
>Proceeds to do nothing for the rest of the story
>Akihiko
>I'm really just here because Mitsuru asked me to join since I need power
>Loses Shinji, developes Ultimate Persona
>Proceeds to do nothing
Don't even fucking bring up the Answer. That was some of the shittest writing in Persona history.

I'd say Persona 2 is more of a visual novel than 3, since no thought obviously went into its gameplay

Devil Survivor still kicks my ass

I like megaten but I hate niggers like you that share Ryan's beliefs.

You definitely don't go in expecting many things that are unique to SMT, even Persona - so the game may seem harder than it actually is.
Plus the whole fusion meta is something you won't figure out easily alone.

Both Raidou and Devil Summoner are pretty popular in Japan. I assume they're just waiting to see if SMTV will do well before planning any spinoff returns. In general though, Atlus doesn't make full blown spinoffs like they used to, and focus more on forwarding both SMT and Persona. Devil Summoner as a whole returning might just happen one of these days though, I hope.

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Hey neat, bait

>Shadows are black blobs with no real design
Yeah the visual design is shit but nothing wrong them during combat. Enemies in P3 use higher level skills in lower floors which other personas don't even do.
>Enforced tactics system that feels more like artificial difficulty over keeping a basic turn based formula
Tactics is great and increase the immersion of the game greatly. The game is never artificially difficult, the AI will alwayd follow instructions with analyze + heal
>Tartarus is an absolute filler dungeon that hardly makes a difference in the grand scheme of things since you're waiting specifically killing time until the Full Moon bosses appear
While you are right the level design is fucking dogshit and it's basically filler, exploring Tartarus is the only time Persona has tension due to the powerful mini-bosses the game throws you and the fodder encounters aren't just complete pushovers. The game made the smart choice of not just encouraging all out attack spam with the down system unlike future games.
>Mechanics like "sickness" added for realism, but they do nothing more than make Tartarus an even bigger slog than it already is
The health system is great as it prevents players from just reaching the mini-boss of each floor as you need to carefully consider how much battles you do so party members don't become sick. And of course realism as the party members live their own lives and don't hover around the MC's cock.
>so you can only date one female character at a time or you'll get penalized harshly for it
>scheduling depth is bad
lol
>The game virtually doesn't have a story until the midpoint of the game when you assemble the team together
Throughout the whole game you are leaning about the dark hour and acquiring team members so no. But yeah it only starts to truly pick up during the Beach event.

There are so many things wrong with persona 3, yet you managed to somehow list none of them.

They don't make spinoffs like they used to, but at the height of their spinoff creations they had a bunch of assets to pull from to make more games with, which they now have again for the first time in a while with HD Demon models. They also tend to re-release games again instead of making new ones, but unless they choose to go way back and re-release games like SMT1 or 2, which I doubt they'd do at this point, especially considering the 3DS is on the way out and that'd be the most appropriate place to do that, I can see them deciding on making something new. I wouldn't count on it, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it either.

It's weird that if you think about it, handhelds are dead now and there doesn't seem to be any coming.
Will the usage of 2D sprites fade away with atlus's work, or will they still be able to release games with them?

You know they could always remake SMT 1 & 2 one of these days. It would for sure need some major overhauls, but in terms of the actual dungeons, they'd only need to blow them up to 3D third person instead of being first person. I'm just glad they'll have more assets to play around with after SMTV's release.

Why would they ever need to use 2D sprites again when we're back to another completely 3D era of SMT again? I think we're done with that for good.

I hit the nail on the head in many areas, unless you can mention something better, which I highly doubt Ryan.

are you concious most of your complains boil down to
>repetitive enemies
>game is bad because I have to think
>scheduling is hard, even though I can always make a save at the start of a week and reload at any given time
All of you complains are about superficial aspects of the way, rooted in problems also present in P4 and P5.

>you can only date one female character at a time or you'll get penalized harshly for it
I cannot believe I am reading this. holy fuck.

>P5 is a proper callback to the series roots
Yeah my favorite part is when the game tries to be dark and ends up falling horribly. Also I love how the tone is complete shit and there's no atmosphere at all. I also really love how negotiations are a dumbed down version of P2 which already was a dumbed down version of a mainline game. I also really love how guns are worthless, till you get the Tower where they break the game even more than the game is already broken. I also love how there's demons, because not like every single MegaTen game has that. What's next? Pretending it's like SMT II?

>I don't give a fuck about SMT
Then comparing it to a mainline game is pointless you fucking retard

>All these unironic P3 defenders
This board is fucking dead, I swear it wasn't this bad last year. P3 is objectively the DmC of it's franchise. It's too outdated of a game to be considered good whatsoever.

That's p5

>ESL posters coping to respond with proper grammar
Don't even reply to me. Fuck off back to discord with your buddy Ryan.

>DmC
I don’t see any sniper rifle abortions in P3.

I don't know, I feel like the dungeons would need some changes, you pretty much just walk through them with no real standout features to them, and I don't think people would be accepting of things like each side of the Cathedral being so similar to one another. They wouldn't need to be completely re-worked, but I do think they would tune them up a bit. I'd be very welcoming on remakes for the both of them though, I always see people asking for P3 and Nocturne remakes, but I'd hate that. If they're going to remake something it should be one of those games that actually need it, not Nocturne or P3 which are already fine. I wouldn't be opposed to them adding a bit more to the story of SMT 1 or 2 though, particularly 1, I don't mean a Marie style addition or anything, but maybe just something that gives the Chaos Hero a bit more presence in your party seeing as he spends so little of the game with you or something like that.

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>Pretending it's like SMT II?
We need another really sci-fi game.
>I think we're done with that for good.
That's what I'm really thinking about because of all those factors

Played Nocturne HM first never playing a SMT game before and it wasn't difficult at all besides two fights in the early game. Yet played P3, SJ, and Final after and it was much harder

Bait

Oh, I certainly can
>Combat across the 3 Persona games is horrendously boring. Most bosses are merely HP sponges
>All you really need to do is fuse 2 demons: one with Agi and Zio and the other with Bufu and Garu (or whichever combination that covers the 4 across all elements)
>Random enemy encounters are extremely easy as it's not only normal, but even expected to initiate every encounter yourself and wipe everything out in the first turn, since your character will always 100% of the time act first
>The main gameplay aspect of the game, dungeon crawling and fusing, is actively sidelined in favor of the tedious and boring social sim aspect of the game
>You can just set everyone to Knock Down tactics and literally let the game play itself
>Most of the story and social links boil down to edgy and cringy plot lines and mundane highschool children non-issue "problems"
>the few fucking social links with actual deep connotations are in Persona 3 (Sun and Star)
>despite clinging so hardly to the Tarot theme, it somehow manages to fuck up the interpretation of the Death Arcana, and this misinterpretation run as deep as the main plot of the game

It's interesting how Chaos Hero got unique dialogue with Alice if you enter Roppongi first

Even more so since SMT 1 & SMT II didn't even release outside of Japan, if I recall correctly anyways. I'm fine with Nocturne being remade since there's a lot of things that could be done, but it isn't really necessary.

No you didn't

1 got the iOS port but you can't even get it

Depends, I'll give credit to those who started with Persona 4 as Shadow Yukiko does not fuck around, to the point where I heard rumors that she got nerfed in the Vita version.

She did. She's weak to ice. Original p4 Yuikiko is unironically a great boss fight and the perfect introduction to MegaTen mechanics.

>bosses with weaknesses
>weak to bloody Chie of all things
disgusting

I'm really glad P4 doesn't get talked about as much as P3 and P5

They gave her 2.5x health in golden though, you can't just omit that part. And for most of the fight she has white wall which removes her ice weakness

I'm also weak to Chie to be fair.

Imagine if every other boss fight retained the difficulty that Shadow Yukiko had. P4 would have been incredible... outside of how badly the dungeons are designed.

Not Golden Chee. No human being can stand that voice.

yeah, but the white wall in and out of itself is a tell-tell of her weakness out of the gate and the HP increase is merely to patch out that she'll be getting weakness damage and All Out Attacks every turn she doesn't has it on.

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It's better than old lady Chie. I tend to find that voice actress annoying when I hear her anywhere else though so I get where you're coming from, P4G and Catherine are the only instances I can think of when I didn't find her grating.

Which is why I think P4G Yukiko is a better designed boss fight, it isn't just a level check, it's to make sure you understand the core of the combat which is targeting weaknesses and they balanced it to compensate for that

Having 2500 hp doesn't matter when she's weak to something and even has lower stats. That means before Chie and the MC can go twice unlike before. And she only uses white wall when first hit by ice

She used white wall constantly throughout the fight for me

bitch, come on.you had plenty of time to understand the basics on Shadow Youske and the castle. It's the first boss fight that should ask you: "oh yeah, dawg, think you're too salsa?"
It taught players a fundamental aspect of boss battles for several SMT games: You don't always have a weakness to exploit, and you gotta learn to be patient and survive the battle of attrition.

>It taught players a fundamental aspect of boss battles for several SMT games: You don't always have a weakness to exploit, and you gotta learn to be patient and survive the battle of attrition.
The rest of the bosses are already like that

By the time you've gotten to shadow Yukiko you've been through a whole dungeon and two boss fights, further hammering in the weakness system isn't necessary
Also didn't they also give Kanji a waekness when it didn't have one before?

You already get taught that before in the first fight and the dungeon you are in. All they did was casualized it.
When you her with ice she does

But S. Yukiko is the only time you don't have
>consistent high physical damage
>equipment with broken skills like Auto-Tarukaja
>widespread buffs
>ease of access to demons that can resist and/or nullevery single attack of the boss
>consistent party-wide healing
>a fuckton of items you hoard including attack mirrors and shit
>broken ass partner actions from social links
it's the only time you don't have any clutches to rely on, so it was a perfect way to housebreak the casuals.

No, in fact they gave Kanji a drain resistance to Electricity, so he had more resistances in golden. They gave his mooks some weaknesses though

I didn't say it teaches you to hit weaknesses, I said it's checking you actually learnt it, she's still the boss of the tutorial dungeon in the tutorial phase of the game.

Which means for 3/4 of the fight you can't even make use of her weakness yet you're left with her buffed hp

I love Chie

Would you?

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So all you're saying is the only reason you like it being hard is to own the casuals rather than proper game design

It isn't a matter of would I
It's a question of how many rounds after I've gone bone dry can I keep going

>3DPD
>not pocket sized
Get the fuck out of here.

Sluts aren't worth my time.

what do you mean "proper game design"? A boss being hard does not equate to her being poorly designed. You are perfectly able to beat Shadow Yukiko on your first attempt, no need to grind or anything. The boss presenting its ass for you to pound is not "good game design", it's just treating the player like a toddler. You're well past level 10 by the time you reach her, tutorials are over. Hell you fought TWO bosses before her, the 3 knights and Shadow Chie.

Hard for the sake of hard is, Shadow Yukiko's difficulty is more appropriate for where she is in the game in Golden.

>Which makes some sense in narrative context
demon negotiations didn't take away from 1, 2 or 5's narratives at all. p3fags defending shuffle time remind me of game freak apologists defending all the removed features in pokemon.
>Again there was no incentive to changing teammate personas or getting any personas at all in P2 because you're given them for free.
and yet there was still no reason to take that feature away rather than improve on it. hackshino just wanted to dumb down the series into shonen shit with a special snowflake protagonist.
>Also you're going to have to remind me what ranged attacks were.
same thing as gun/shot skills in other megaten games. they were called "ranged" skills in innocent sin instead for some reason.
>You can't buy estoma from P2 except in one store halfway through the game, it's expensive and it's a limited stock.
it's still wrong to say that there's no estoma in p2. i do agree that they were too stingy with it, though.
>And P3 lets you pick fights at your own pace which is a vast improvement over random encounters
i agree, overworld encounters are an improvement. unfortunately, for every small improvement that p3 made, it took big steps back in other areas, which is why i don't agree that it's an improvement over 1 and 2's gameplay overall.

>said it's checking you actually learnt it
Learn what? You will automatically check for weekness in the first place like the whole games tell you to
>she's still the boss of the tutorial dungeon in the tutorial phase of the game
That was Yosuke. It's literally casualized. She doesn't even have all the skills she had in the original like mind charge.
>Which means for 3/4 of the fight you can't even make use of her weakness yet you're left with her buffed hp
Also worse stats, worse skills and in Golden you are given a millions of ways to make the game easier on very hard. And when she used white wall she wastes a turn not attacking you. The Golden fight is objectively.

Superior version coming through.

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Persona 3>lol what even is that

No she's not. MegaTen is know for it's difficulty. There's no reason to make the fight worse

nobody's saying it's exactly like smt, just that it sticks to the megaten formula more than 3 and 4 did, which is the truth.
you might not like how they implemented things like demon negotiations or guns, but they're still there in 5 and absent in 3 and 4.

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And being implemented inside doesnt mean anything when they are pure shit

Soulless
>only does it for pay
>nylon
Soul
>does it because she's a megaten fan
>all that bare skin
Beside the negative ass the western one is cute.

How hard is "hard" is a completely subjective. I found her difficult, but nothing I couldn't beat as I did in my first attempt. Like I said you're beyond level 10, it's your first major boss and you have already beaten 2 shadows and a group of 3 large enemies. You're more than ready for a boss without a weakness, and for a boss to have an attack that hits the weakness of one of your characters.

Jesus christ, like how will you react to Minotaur in SMT IV with a Walter assist.

>I also really love how negotiations are a dumbed down version of P2 which already was a dumbed down version of a mainline game.
i agree that they're dumbed down, but i also understand why they did it that way. atlus has probably realized that persona ends up being a gateway to other megaten games for many people, so they might as well use persona to ease them into the mechanics. to be honest, i'm just happy they're back in any form. shuffle time was always so lame by comparison.

I never said I found it hard and I don't know where you got that assumption, megaten games are easy once you know how to play them, like they let you fuse a fucking null fire persona at level 9 in p4, that trivialises Shadow Yukiko. But people who first play the games don't know about all of that stuff.

>I don't give a fuck about SMT
THEN GET OUT OF THIS THREAD YOU FUCKING APE GOOODDDDDD

Wow. So this is a P5 fan, huh?

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Come on, you've been dungeoning an entire dungeon. Back in 2008 if you landed into persona fucking 4, released on the PS2 well into the PS3's lifespan, chances are you're versed in RPGs enough to know that you should heal a little during the boss fights.

If you own a mother-fucking VITA, a VITA of all goddamn handhelds, chances are you at the very least have SOME experience with RPGs to handle a simple boss with only one action per turn. Come On. Even for beginners Shadow Yukiko only really has some slightly high damage output. She doesn't even one shots Chie. Weebs are not that stupid. Forneus in Nocturne had two goddamn actions, god damn it.

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