Games with mechanics that offer no gameplay and are only there to create fake progression

Who else is looking forward to Classic roleplay servers?

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How many people watched Radical Heights on release? Twitch numbers are nothing.

>layering
I can't get over it bros, sell it to me

each layer has 2000 - 3000 players anyway so it will be like a server in its own right.

WoW is a mobile game, confirmed?

>sudden shitposting about weapon skill
did you really need to wait for streamers to find out about it? you're pathetic

is the dog ok?

layering is just the classic server population, if you're a private server player who just wants to feel included and coddled classic isnt for you

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Numbers were high during BfA release too, Classic is gonna crash and burn after 3 months at best.

What's the point of layers?

>literally 100.000 people on twitch watching first official deadmine run yesterday
I was worried that chat was gonna fool him into taking the pants over the staff for a while there.
It almost doubled his dps and he was close to not taking it.

Same here. I don't understand how people are okay with it when things like Black Lotus and Devilsaur exist.

Dilate

reduce server load so blizzard dont have to pay as much money

Difference is you can clear all of BFA's content in a day

Most people won't hit 20 on classic in a day.

Imagine one big server with 20k slots,
now that big server has 5layers with 4k each slots
that means there are 5 azeroths, and u wont be able to see other peopel from other layers.
After 3-4 weeks when servers stablize and retards quits those layers will merge together, and it will be one server,that means
one world boss for everyone

But all the layers are still on the same server

>20k servers
>in vanilla wow
retard

But there obviously won't be one big server, there'll be a whole bunch of servers.

>offer no gameplay
Nigga weapon skills are tied directly into your hit tables

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shard_(database_architecture)

>classic will be like og vanilla
oof

low iq post

they said servers will have more slots then they had in vanila, and if i remember correctly they had 12k, so fuck off

But those slots won't get filled because they will release multiple servers...

long ass beta is going to burn everyone out before it makes it anyways if you wanna do old raids again for a couple of years have fun but I've already done all that shit and it wasn't even that fun back then lol

user, it is obvious you have no fucking idea what are you talking about. If you don't understand the difference between shard, in game server and physical server, why are you even calling people retards?

>a bloo bloo stop having fun

>Getting new gear with unique gameplay quirks is fake progression
k

people like different things, but as someone who unironically could play vanilla for the rest of my life, there arent a whole lot of people who actually want to continue after they've started leveling their second character

Do you actually think everyone will join one server? Lol

>long ass beta will burn every single streamer
good

>it wasn't even that fun back then lol
i just want to know what the fuck do u like

Where I said that? There will be a number of servers, each with its own number of layers which, in turn if they won't fuck it up, will be merged sometime after release into a single server. I think layers are a huge mistake and will fuck up economy for months after their removal but I am clearly a minority.

asherons call and city of heroes private servers

I'm asking what is the point of having multiple servers and layers at the same time

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it's because they can use additional layers without having additional server equipment, they run the layers on the same servers so they save a ton of money and energy by not needing as much hardware.

That's why I said 3 months, you can pretty much do everything there's to do in the game in that amount of time. And I'm talking about casual-but-competent players, not even turboautists who play 16 hours a day.

And many, MANY people will quit before that. Many people won't event reach level 40, let alone 60.

This retard is wrong since he doesn't understand how modern servers work.
So they don't have to merge servers later and deal with the shitshow that comes off it. Layers are all on the same server so you can't have same nicknames and guild names on different server.

>RPG elements that add immersion and character building are bad

Now I get why game like Fortnite are popular.

>let me have that plz
lmao
If it isnt a full guild group - BoEs are ffa.

It's literally 4-5 vanilla servers that are "logically" on a single "physical" server.
OG vanilla servers had 10-15k characters, with 3-5k online simultaneously.

Layering will not kill the economy, having over 10k people with no funserver dynamic respawns will kill the economy. Which layering is designed to prevent.

>OG vanilla servers had 10-15k characters, with 3-5k online simultaneously.
Hahahaha

But the progression is the entire reason why you would even play an MMO. Nobody gives a fuck about the gameplay.

Layering will kill the economy and the community. How can you defend this? People will literally appear and disappear into thin air as they are moved into shards.

Well the gameplay boils down to who has the bigger e-penis to kill the other.

>as they are moved into shards.
You stay on the one you log into, you need to make an active effort to switch. You also assume all servers will have over 3k pop and more than 1 layer after a few days, which is very unlikely. Only the shitty streamer infested servers will suffer.

>pally doing anything but being a healslut
False advertising.

getting corpse camped? no worries just go to another layer. Banding together with allies to defeat enemies is sooooo last decade.
quest npc dead? just go to another layer!
want to escalate a skirmish or save a zone getting pillaged? Don't even try to bring a couple of raids in to help they'll just get stuffed on another layer
someone kited a dangerously strong mob to your area or let an infernal loose? just hop on over to another layer!

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>fake progression
Literally every Level Up system ever.

>layering will kill the economy
Explain how.
You have 4x the players on a server, so instead of using funserver dynamic respawns they use 4 layers. The net respawn per player stays the same.

And as you switch people will disappear and appear before your eyes. As they switch they will appear and disappear before your eyes. Stop defending this shit, it's not how vanilla worked and it's not how an MMO should work.

IT WAS JUST BECAUSE ASMONBALD GACHIBASS

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no persistent world
no persistent sub

Suggest an alternative that would actually work or shut up.

Because you can move between them to get 4x the resources. Not everyone will be doing that. Just abusers.

I feel so bad for NA players imagine you get on the same server as those streamers.

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Geez how did those private servers that started this whole thing work???? It's a mystery, I guess if it's not on retail it's not worth doing

This is why no one likes hunters

You act like you can move to an empty layer with zero competition.
Don't be so dumb user it's bad for you.

Fucking terribly. 10k pop funservers with dynamic spawns are not a better solution.

Wouldn't any game with levels or skills be fake progression

When Vanilla was live, it kept growing, even though people had done everything.

You log into a separate layer dumbass. It's not sharding. You stay in that layer until you log out.

Some idiots just don't seem to understand the MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER part of MMORPGs. I guess its not surprising when there hasn't been a real one in as long as most of the modern players have even been alive

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how about forcing layers
or just do queues like normal people
id rather wait 10 hours in queue and play on a proper persistent server than a fractured layered shitheap
fuck the tourists and fuck retail

>Actually thinks player numbers will be equal between shards
Lol

That dog needs therapy

The layers are servers. They are merged together.

You could literally log off and log on another server in Vanilla WoW too, you fucking idiots. Not with the same character, but it's the same concept.

Every early zone being a warzone with Defias, trolls and kobolds getting outright genocided and still spawning fast enough to kill many shitters is always fun. Not anywhere close to vanilla-like, but fun

Well they are obviously, given how popular they were.

You cant move at will, you fucking retard. There are no addons to automate it, you cant tell which players are on which layers, you will have to manually try and invite random people to hopefully jump layers. Even then you will still have competition on that particular layer.
And in the end - the server economy will get the same amount of goods regardless of who generated them.
Like the other user said - there are no extra layers with 0 people just for the "abusers" to freely farm.

Id love it. Get to camp soda for his 20k viewers to see. then when he gets them to come save him Ill just run away. rinse repeat.

The tourists will fuck off then it'll be a non issue. Layering will be disabled before there's any actual content of note.
Stop screeching over nothing.

>not with the same character
you owned yourself

You log in to the same layer your corpse is on, dumbfuck. Google the source. It's already been discussed. You can't die on one layer and bring your corpse to a new layer.
Each layer will max out before another is full. Unless one layer is full and the next layer is almost empty.

You don't stay in the layer of you join someone else's

I have a level 20 shaman on Dethecus. I am getting corpse camped.

I log off and play my level 24 Shaman on Defiance.

Explain the difference, beyond the fact I can't log back on my 20 due to griefing.

Yeah because we know you have so many friends one will always be in another layer than you right.
lol

>Not with the same character
What an unimportant distinction!

stellaris

>implying they're not going to turn it back on after the servers shit the bed
>implying you can't just res in the bushes and then join a group on another layer
>ignoring the other points
lol

Explain how it's important

>Projecting this hard

Because you can instance in or out at will

the option to just switch layers is a much easier corner to cut than to actually have to rally support for your cause
banding together with allies to defeat enemies etc etc

>Server has 3001 players
Do the math retard

>game mechanic no longer forces you to call for backups on your shaman in order to play
gee i wonder why people are upset about this

>he thinks he'll be able to farm layers
HAHAHAHAHA. No honey just no. You'll get more money EASIER farming instances than trying to setup groups to layer hop for nodes. Also uh honey, why would someone in layer 3 invite someone from layer 1 for more competition?
>They don't have the right professions for the farm!
If someone doesn't have herbing why in cocksfuck would be be camping herb nodes?

Yeah, true, every single person who is corpse camped will res in the bushes and join another layer in a snap like that.

You're so smart.

I ignored your points because they're literal horseshit.

And? It's the same server, same auction house, same global channels. Who gives a fuck

This, it's the same problem flying mounts cause. The only people defending this are paid shills, you see it every time a new expansion is announced, and every time the game gets worse.

>the only peope defending r paid shils

I don't want "layering" either but you guys make up so much shit about how it's going to doom the server and your biggest point is

>Um!! If someone klls an NPC you can log off and the npc will be alive again!

Wow!

>Yeah, true, every single person who is corpse camped will res in the bushes and join another layer in a snap like that.

they will learn after the first 3 times it happens
people will definitely collaborate cross layer
you're deluded
>I ignored your points because they're literal horseshit.
if you ignored them you wouldn't know if they were horseshit or not
you're full of shit

They were popular because there were no alternative, you absolute brainlet.

Your characters are on completely different servers and you can only advance one at a time, stupid fuck

>people will definitely collaborate cross layer

This sounds like retarded conspiracy shit.

And I didn't literally ignore them, I read them, laughed, and didn't respond, because saying
>WOW IF THE CROSSROADS IS ATTACKED BY ALLIANCE SOMEONE WILL JUST GO TO ANOTHER LAYER

Like it's a good point is retarded

And if crossroads are being attacked in all the layers?

>HURR REE, NO... THAT... THAT WON'T HAPPEN
>tHEY'LL JUST SWITCH TO LAYER 99999!!!

You make no sense.

emergent pvp

look it up
it's an integral part of the game experience for everyone on a pvp server
you're the kind of retard that retail is built for

Retail was an alternative wasn't it? Lmfao
Why didn't anyone want to play that? I'm sure sharding is a non-issue...

See, the thing about these mechanics is they had a clearly defined end point that you could reach

Playing WOW today you have no real end point, just repeats of the same shit every fucking week until a content patch comes out and gives you litterally only 2 hours of content that is padded out 4-8 weeks by time gating and daily rep grinds.

How much of a hambeast is she?

>This sounds like retarded conspiracy shit.
People will ALWAYS take the path of least resistance. You're delusional

True, there's NO possible way emergent pvp will happen on every layer.

See, pvp will only happen on Layer 1. So when PvP happens, everyone will go to Layer 2. But what happens when PvP is happening on Layer 1 and Layer 2?

Uh oh! W-what then? all the layers have pvp!! No!!! NO... SWITCH... QUICK
NO!!!

>t. you, retard

>Splitting the PvP in half
Good idea lol who enjoys MMOs anyway

it's not that this won't happen

it's that it's going to be fractured and dynamic and ruin the sense that you're playing on a persistent server, and not a layered shitheap where there's always in the back of your mind the chance that someone appears behind you or disappears in front of you

does anyone truly expect servers to have more than 3k online a couple weeks after launch? i bet half the servers on launch wont even have that many players

>xrealm bgs
HAHAHAH OH NONONO

you thought multiboxing was bad on a single server? wait until people have multiple accounts running between layers

Do you truly expect sharding to go away?

yeah because if you don't play world of warcraft, you die

>blah blah blah
You guys have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Switching around to play with different people will be no different than playing on different servers.

>b-but you can't do it with the same character in classic!

Just stop your garbage. They had paid character transfers.

>but Layering is free
Okay so pay for layering. What the fuck ever. Game is gonna be fine, you are doomposting like retards.

Except you cant switch layers at will.
You have no way of telling what layer # you're on.
You cant tell if you and a guy on your list that's not in the exact same location as you are arent on the same layer.

>what are battlegroups

>blah blah blah
say something that makes sense you retarded gremlin
you clearly dont give a fuck about a persistent world so fuck off back to your dead retail threads or wherever you came from

I assume logging on and off will change your layer. But it's just an assumption.

it is only implemented to prevent 10k players trying to kill kobolds at the same time
do you honestly think that blizzard will split it so each layer only has a few hundred players?

So you havent played actual vanilla, good to know.

I care about persistent world but you are making it out like the game will have 50 people split between 200 layers.

It's more likely going to have fully populated areas all the time.

I bet there will even be a "layer timer" so you can't just log in and out and switch layers, that keeps your spot on the current layer.

i cant wait to bring some raids to help my friends in lakeshire getting massacr-
oops the layers full oh well lol

You just get a friend to invite you, it's that easy. Same fucking way you do with current sharding. Are you really this dumb? The effects are immediately visible if you've swapped layers

Isn't everything virtual fake? Therefore every form of virtual progression is just fake. All games are fake progression.

So I can post any game?

Lmfao you think your layer will be static? It will automatically move you to the most full layer as soon as there's room. Enjoy having people appear and disappear constantly with zero control, exactly like sharding in retail

>Not with the same character
What a way to make yourself look like a complete, utter tool.

Got in the BETA. Don't notice layering. Elwynn still was crowded as fuck, westfall starting to get there.

Can I get an example of real progression?

'real' life

And if that friend is on the same layer? You keep trying with other friends?
And if it works like current sharding and you DONT get switched unless you're in the same area? What then?
Retard.

daily reminder
boycott blizzjew
play on light's hope instead
literally better than classic

people will definitely be multiboxing between layers
it will be as simple as asking in chat or a discord server for an invite

>2019
>people still falling for the Warrior is Godlike meme

fuck pservers but also fuck blizzard

that's not the case. a character gets assigned to a layer when it is created and it stays in that layer

Depends, when was soft CC breaking from a stray fart implemented.

>zoom

>The only way to change a layer will be to enter a group

/Who
Dumbass

Yes then you just try again? And most likely there will be an add on to hop around with too, theres always a fucking addon. You keep resorting to insults like the angry man child that you are, why do you defend blizzard on this crap feature anyway?

>playing with chinks and russian
yea nope.

fuck your shitty private servers doing nothing is literally better than those corrupt shitholes

You cant tell what layer you're on, unlike a discord server.

How do you switch layers? You guys make it seem like you can change like selecting a different channel in maple

It won't stay in that layer retard, if it did there wouldn't be any point in layers

But you can tell who is or isn't on yours.

>no streamers
>no shitty names
I am

im sure you can very easily find out by simply asking someone whose group they joined when they disappeared in front of you

>When Vanilla was live, it kept growing, even though people had done everything.
That was 15 years ago, just the idea of a persistent world was enough to keep people playing. I spent hours and hours every single day on Ragnarok Online back in middle school, but I would never to that again.

I don't know, I see so many people excited about Classic, everyone keeps saying it will be the next big thing... but I don't see it. It's a game from fucking 2004, and you have to pay monthly for it. I hope I'm wrong though, for the sake of this dying genre.

It can not be sold. Why wouldn’t they just use more servers if they aren’t pulling some sneaky bullshit?

Do you even know how sharding currently works on live?
Seems like you have 0 clue what you're talking about.

Let me enlighten you.
You dont get switched to another shard unless you're in the same area as the party leader.
Not the continent.
Not the map.
The same fucking tiny little area.

Do you understand now?
Only multiboxers that park their chars in the same area will be able to hop layers consistently.

>use more servers on start
>1 month later
>shitton of dead servers

>defending retail
yikes

except they're already pseudomerging with 'layers'

>Gnomish mind control cap + teleport moonglade.
Teehee

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By looking at their name in chat or your friend list lol?
You will be able to tell it only if they are within draw distance of your current location.

>layers
>merging
retarded nostfag

yes they are merging them when they turn them off like they said they would :)
unless you don't believe them...?

Imagine going through the vanilla for a fake server that could get deleted any day lol

Then merge the servers

classic will be closed after its huge success cause blizzjews fear the power of vanilla players
thay will destroy servers to not let us rise and take the power from their jew hands

>Classic WOW goes well
>Revives the dying playerbase that has been dormant for 10 years
>Kotick kicks down the door demanding answers to why they're paying the B team at all when a version of the game on life support is doing much better
>Ion Hozzikostas, fearing for his precious speedrun meta, uses his lawyer talk to convince kotick that subs don't matter and that vanilla was a mistake

BLOOD ELVES MUST BE IN CLASSIC, ELVEN PRIDE WORLDWIDE!

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>interested in dwarves because they are rare
>their animations suck and they look terrible in most armor, which is probably why
>make another human instead

Blood Elves on Horde was a mistake

i have never seen an exceptional blood elf player

>I spent hours and hours every single day on Ragnarok Online back in middle school, but I would never to that again

So did I. I actually tried going back a few times, even very recently, played for about a month before my interest faded.
Same thing will happen to Classic. There will still be people playing, just like there are people who still play garbage like Runescape for some unexplainable reason, so it won't be completely dead, but the game population will come crashing down very fast after the first few months.

>I hope I'm wrong though, for the sake of this dying genre

Why? Just let it die. It deserves to stay dead.

I'll have you know I'm exceptional at taking Tauren and Worgen cocks

all elven players are exceptional.

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>hating on dorfs
How gay can you be?

Every dwarf I meet is based and memorable but I just can’t stay interested in one I play myself

Fair enough. Dwarf warriors/ palas can look pretty good though

Pathetic

War.....war never changes......

>kinda hyped that i got classic beta because never played vanilla
>roll a warrior
>absolutely bored as fuck
does it get more interesting later on?

If you’re this bored, then I would go rogue or something because not really

Just roll mage, dude

>WAAAAAAH WHY ARE THERE RPG ELEMENTS IN MY MMORPG?
You are the cancer that killed WoW.

How do we feel about Asmongold? He just made 100k streaming Deadlines yesterday

I can't understand how people can watch someone play fucking wow. I tried watching soda yesterday to get a look at the beta and he was literally just aimlessly wandering around barrens 90% of the time. Good for the streamers I guess, but the people who watch and support them must be legit subhumans

streamers are one of the few things that genuinely make me feel like an out of touch old man. i dont understand the appeal of watching some faggot play a game when i can play the game myself.

I love SODA POOGERS cute AYAYA chat *donates $100*

Asmongolds voice makes me want to kill myself but I have soda on in the second monitor so I don't feel alone

what the fuck pog/poggers even mean? i don't watch streams at all

Asmon has genuinely two digit IQ. You should watch Esfand playing with him instead.

Who was that griefer who has a website dedicated to all of the rage typed in chat against him?

youtube.com/watch?v=gcY7AyFojok

esfand is fucking retarded tryhard nigger. making asmon do everything he wanted to do forcing him to not quest where he wanted to. fuck esfand

>making asmon do everything he wanted to do forcing him to not quest where he wanted to
wtf i love that fatass now

also that retard thinks he is going to be doing good dps as a ret paladin. dude is retarded

I don't get it. If the dog's happy and she's happy where's the "abuse"?

>Spread via Yea Forums
I have never seen this before

i believe it was a joke

>tfw you never even reached max level legitimately (ie: not on x30 private servers)
>tfw you never leveled a horde character past level 15
>tfw you never went raiding or joined a world PvP guild
Can't wait to play on a RPvP server and experience a lot of things for the first time lads. The only question is whether I want to roll a Night Elf for a mix of the familiar and new (never played one outside the starting zone) or just join the horde for the first time.

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>RPvP
they arent gonna have those

RPvP were the most degenerate type of people you could find. Unfortunately they wont be having those again because it's a PG rated game

kill yourself degenerate

>so I don't feel alone
you are fucking pathetic.

Depends. Are you a tranny or fond of trannies? If not, roll Horde

got any vids of it?

>2019
>people now defend weapon skills
get me the fuck out of this wack-ass shill timeline

I feel like I understand layers and nobody else does or I'm the retard who doesn't get it. From what I can tell it has zero to do with sharding and works completely differently. Basically a server is created and any characters created before a pop of 3k or so will exist in layer 1, anything after will be in 2 and until that hits 2-3k another layer will not be created. Characters that exist in all these layer exist in the server proper but cannot interact with one another until phase 1 when all layers are merged into a cohesive server. This mean there is no "layer hopping" by just getting invited/joining a group on another layer since that won't be a possibility in the first place, unlike sharding where you can do exactly that. Is this not correct? It seems like a somewhat solid plan so servers don't implode on launch with the retail kids fucking about in droves. The only real issue I could see arising from it is people not being on the same layer as their friends but 2-3k is a pretty large window and most people who play together will be creating characters either at the same time or very close to one another.

Worse! He is an xiv transfreak!

Yeah, that's what I understood as well. We'll see how it works out

What about straight up RP? I don't care about ERP or anything just want to enjoy exploring the world
What makes Alliance the tranny faction? I remember Forsaken players tended to be the edgiest

What's wrong with weapon skills?
>get a new weapon
>have to put some time into using it before you're competent with it

And?

just stack int

not an argument

Im a contranian

What's the LEAST popular race/class ?
So i can play it

>What makes Alliance the tranny faction?
Fem humans and fem elves are the only somewhat beautiful models in vanilla. See all the /vg/ tranny guilds like Mandate of Heaven

>server gets 3001 players
>the one player is all by himself
Yup, surely this is how it works.

Reminder that 100k people watching asmon doing goofy faces isn't 100k people playing the game. They're watching it for the e-celeb.

No, if you’re bored with a class don’t suffer through it and start over as another one. Try a different starting zone too

No he doesn’t, he’s trying to prove you can get away with having them in the raid not that they’re insane pve dps or whatever

For all of 10 seconds? I don't think you understand how many new characters are still made even on retail where most everyone has a max level of every class by now. There's also only gonna be a handful of servers due to this system so it's not like this will be very likely and in the extremely rare case something does occur I'm sure they have it either self correct or would just do it themselves

I can't, it's just a lazy way to avoid having to merge dead servers later down the line or having dead servers at all.

RP servers are great communities, some (very rarely) guilds are gonna be very strict and gatekeep to keep their clique immersed (highly don't recommend joining those unless for tourism). It's just a bit boring from a gameplay perspective because you don't get to PvP.

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>he’s trying to prove you can get away with having them in the raid
You can get away with having your dog and 4 sex dolls on the raid, it's not like most vanilla content requires insane minmaxing

>new characters are still made even on retail
That's because there's nothing to do on retail but level new characters. That's also why everyone has shit gear despite it being really easy to get it. People do nothing but level and grind for transmog.

Also your way is also crap because you want players to interact with each other before the layers merge. This way it actually feels like the server is somewhat of a cohesive unit. The other way it would feel like a whole new server just got dumped on top of yours.

But that doesn't change the fact that new characters are literally constantly being created even on the shitheap that is retail, the reason why doesn't matter. Also my "way" is just me trying to figure out if I understand the system they presented to us. Everyone keeps talking about layer hopping but that's not how it sounds like it works so I'm just trying to nail down who is correct. I'm not the anyone making the game, calm down

Yet (you) give him a hard time for wanting to dps as a paladin?

It does matter because it's an entirely different growth. That's not new players you're dealing with. They're the same players that won't grow the server unlike with a server launch. Completely irrelevant. With a launch they're probably gonna limit the number of players with an expected drop off. So if they're expecting a drop off of 66% they're gonna do 3 layers and later delete the two and you get one full server. And why would you think you can't layer hop? Do you actually think there's gonna no way to interact with people on the other layer? Complete nonsense. What you're talking about is basically a server merger.

Because being able to hop layers is literally just sharding. Why would they go through all the trouble to recreate vanilla and then add what is essentially global sharding? Also how is having 3 severs and later deleting 2 of them not the same as having 3 layers and merging them? It's the exact same result

>layers is literally just sharding
Yes, obviously.

>3 layers and merging them
Because that way you at least have the chance to interact with other players and have a shared economy instead of just having a bunch of randoms dumped on you.

who the fuck wants to play horde
literal mudhut niggers eating KFC in their designated nigger KFC huts in the middle of every zone (complete with every vendor, more quests then alliance and FP ofc oh and sometimes there is even a zeppelin or free transport thrown in) while chimping on anything that moves in numbers only despite rolling for pvp racials but never actually 1v1ing to use them
then porting into their literal mudhut nigger KFC city called "orgrimmar" more like ogreshit lol blizzard literally took some somalian shithole town and copy pasted it into wow to give that authentic nigger feel to the faction le monster races br0 check out these NO SHOES so whacky better name myself something fucking retarded like boogerbones to fit in btw get owned kid totally bg queued out of that 1v1 close one
you want a sick capital city to afk in br0? take your pick :

- literal sewer shithole with aids and feces everywhere
- some fucking retarded canyon thing where you fall off and die
- literal nigger kfc somali city

NO

SHOES

NO SHOES
N O S H O E S
N I G G E R

FUCK YOU HORDE NIGGERS

>Zoomers think twitch viewer = popularity
2 of those streamers had over 90% of the viewers.

>"We want a game that's just like it was in Vanilla!"
>"Oh sharding that is ok because it's just convenience and it's a different time today
>"Oh Looking for dungeon tool is ok because it's just convenience and doesn't actual change anything."
>"Oh a cash shop and being able to gold is fine how else is Blizzard suppose to make money of the game?"
IT STARTS WITH

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user they already said layering is only the first 2 weeks and they will remove the cash shop you can stop falseflagging anytime now or I have to call your mom.

>they already said layering is only the first 2 weeks
Not that guy but you're a complete and utter imbecile if you believe a word that Blizzard spews out nowadays.

They also said that it was only suppose to be at the starting zones at first.

does not matter even with layering classic is better than retail or final cuckold.

I've only ever played on PvP servers, but I'm assuming that RP / PvE servers will have zero world PvP outside of city raids and battle grounds right?

Fair enough

you and the rest of your arguments are retarded
corporate white knights never cease to amaze

>tfw started on light's hope and got to level 50 and feel sad they're closing for this travesty

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>there is no way to learn all the languages
I always hates this about WoW

>guild mommy fucks dogs
anyone want to guess the race?

Seriously, what is wrong with women?

>all npcs can understand each other
>players still can't
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-
nah it's ok, no one talks in retail anyway

heh

I don't give a shit what he plays, but at least while leveling, I won't take a retardin in my dungeongroup.

Just because early content is so easy you can do it with 20 people doesn't mean you should be fine with 20 people intentionally AFKing.

Cant you just use a translator program?

I don’t recall anyone saying take 20 ret paladins so your post adds nothing to the conversation, thanks for the (you) I guess

did you play on vanilla or you are a streamer

>Nooooo I can't raid with 19 other worthless garbage I should be the only worthless garbage in the raid
it's a matter of principle, retard
if everyone else is putting in effort what gives you the right to demand to have everyone else carry your worthless ass

I don’t even plan on playing paladin, I just think min maxers need to stop treating their shit as gospel when it’s not required by any means. But go ahead and seethe all you like that Esfand and more will raid as ret while you treat the game like a job

Of course he will raid, he's a streamer. He could play a melee-only mage and still get a raidspot

i dont know mate but lets say vanilla Daggerspine EU had about 10-12k cap. there were 6k+ queues on weekends. i wasted 1/3 of my game time in queues and servers crashing and reseting said queues etc.

they were in vanilla tardo.

you can only switch layers if you're invited to someones group who's on said layer, not sure how everyone is thinking they'll be moving around so freely
the system does sound shitty though, not as shitty as cross-realm BGs, why the FUCK would they think that'd be a reasonable change?

He wouldn’t get a raid spot as ret if it was impossible to clear content with one, that’s the point

Can't wait to boost my character to level 60!

I don't think you know what minmaxing means, retard. Minmaxing is rolling a human warrior/rogue for +5 swords or dwarf priest for fear ward, shit like that. Not allow ret paladins, oomkins, and other trash specs is as elitist as not allowing smite priest dpsers.

You can do all content with one person completely AFK too.

>that offer no gameplay
so everything thats different from the base gameplay

Not allowing ret paladins is part of min maxing, retard

That's like saying demanding warriors use shields or druids go bear form when tanking is minmaxing. God you're the dumbest fucking person on this board.

Yeah that’s part of min maxing too, but a little more common sense. You’re really grasping at straws here kid. Why don’t you try a food analogy

YOU ACTUALLY JUST KNOW.

The only kid here is a retarded zoomer thinking he's special enough to have everyone carry him while playing a genuinely worthless spec. My whole fucking point is that vanilla ret paladins are so thoroughly garbage that not bringing them is as common sense as having warriors use shields when tanking. This is not a matter of "wow this spec does 5% less damage, fuck off", this is a genuinely garbage, unplayable spec.

You can still pvp, it’s just consensual and you have a 5 minute pvp flag with an option to keep it turned on. Naturally there’s less of it but you also don’t get ganked unless you turn on pvp and leave it on

>mount and toy tabs are just convenient
>heirlooms are reasonable, you only get them at max level anyway
>pet battles are optional, if you don’t want them you can just ignore them
ONE THING, I DON’T KNOW WHY

Reminder WoW classic was intentionally designed to be THE casual MMO experience at the time of release, its progression over time made a lot of sense with that design philosophy, borrow from others and cater to everyone.

Its not unplayable, just not desired. Know the difference

That is a very low bar though

Serves you right for investing time into a private server desu

why does blizzard have the most white knights

done every boss in vanilla, every raid, guild opened aq doors on Aeria Peak Eu ally side. had atiesh in guild. done eranikus and all the other drakes, done maws, been to dancing troll village, been to hyjal when there was just a work under construction board, been to caverns of time, bugged to nessie, been above ironforge on airstripe and let me tell you something mate. never ever have i see ret pally in raid unironically. let that sink in

I’m not white knighting for blizzard but you should know that a private server can get shut down any day and then judge whether that’s worth sinking the time required to play vanilla

but have you had sex

at the age of 14. was raiding bwl as a druid at the time i think on venture co. eu

We can do it if you wanna

absolutely abhorrent post

post proofs

Eternal Guardians, Aeria Peak EU, Arin was the GL.

The Gates of Ahn'Qiraj were opened on 9th September 2006 by Arin, former Guild Master of Eternal Guardians, the realm's top Alliance raiding guild until they disbanded on 23rd April 2007.

>character growth
>"fake progression"

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if you really look into it youll find throu patch notes that we cleaned naxx spiderwing before we even opened aq doors.

Even guilds have a policy of gold is worth more than transient loot. Best guild I was in had a policy of "split the gold from the auction sale".

A friend and I used to camp PALS FOR LIFE guild members out in BRM all the time. When TBC launched, we camped Leeroy in the Netherwing Mines, which resulted in a couple guildies coming out, so we camped them too. They would also hold down the Elemental Plateau, and we'd go in, kill em all, and camp em until they leave, then shout out in /1 so that we could get Hordies to come in and hold the place down while we farmed.

Camping famous players is fun.

>even thinking that admitting this would be a good idea

Should have just kept pushing that it wasn't true. Shit's wild af as it is, but it's wild enough most people might dismiss it. But then you admit it's true in an attempt to kill it? Ya fucked up.

Shame it won't be the same on the "classic" servers thanks to layering.

Here's your server without layering bro

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but it takes 15 min to max it out though..

that's a private server thing.

Don’t worry, BFA will still be there for you

For some reason I could have sworn that maes had magic skills for frost, fire, and arcane and that my undead mage used to be able to speak Common. Am I right was it a childhood dream?

>Chromie: Whelpling
Do the event, it's fun, also really difficult before you get rep if they didn't nerf it.

I'd rather they just make Classic 1 big shard(1* realm types * regions), and create pseudo realms by prioritising you with Friends, Friends of Friends, Guildmates and Friends of Guildmates

As a trans person, its going to be really hard to find a lgbtq+ friendly guild. And theres going to be 1 max per faction. I'd rather less friction when it comes to making and joining guilds.

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Meh. I honestly think people are blowing the layering thing out of proportion. Think about it:

With today's player count, it's either above or just around how populated the game was before TBC launched (7-8 mil). Having all those people loose on a Classic-formatted server would mean that off the bat, you're dealing with over-population. People camping farming nodes for herbs, mining, etc.

It would be a shit show. Layering gives players breathing room, and people the ability to farm without worrying about having 50 people in the same zone camping the same shit you are.

It's not just about player count, but also resource stability and what not. And since it's all the same server, but layered, the economy doesn't suffer. And if what they say is true, then as player numbers dwindle on that server, the layers will condense, and keep the world from being empty.

Gonna roll Warrior just like I did back in 2006. Cept instead of UD, I'm rolling fem Orc Warrior for the rage and axe talent.

>strip a basic ability from the character in order to have them regain it
“Progression”

heres the thing though chief you never have to go out of your way to waste time on any of these levels so in turn it does not hinder any gameplay either

You can't strip away something that was never there to begin with you retard.

What the fuck is "Paragon"?

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paragon

would you rather stare at a multiple hour long queue

>you get a loot after fillind the Rep bars
>you get rid of a penalty when filling the bar
GREAT GAMEPLAY YOU GOT THERE HOMEFAG LOOOL

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People aren't watching for the Axes skill going up. They are watching for a very slow, deliberate, long form adventure, where every upgrade is felt and deserved, and you don't get item upgrades so fast you can't make use of them.
Kind of like how most people play Civilization games on speeds slower than normal, so they can actually make use of early era units, and not have their armies obsolete by the time they reach the enemy.

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Ecks Dee you're so wacky and fun and unique.

Just change layers, bro :)

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>Have a Worgen Priest, Dwarf Warlock, Rogue and Mage

I don't understand how Dwarves are so unplayed.

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