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how do we spin this into a good thing classicbros?
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how do we spin this into a good thing classicbros?
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Wow, it looks exactly the same as it used to look on private servers.
>cropped twitch stream
nice friend simulator
You're right that literally changes everything I mean look at this there no dungeon finder no achievements no mount and pet tab HOW CAN ANYBODY ENJOY THIS
ofcourse this fucking nigger got into the beta
it's over classicbros... Blizzard has failed again... FFchads were right, WoW is doomed
>omgwtfbbq
the state of horde players
Wow... My LAST hope
projecting?
idk if durotar ever had good weather, zones like duskwood were really spooky though
isn't that dusk/dawn though?
It’s the first day of beta. Aren’t a lot of things going to change between now and release? Why else have a closed beta?
If people care about it enough then voice your opinions. It’s worked. Look at how the classic team has already listened with spell batching, loot trading, and how they are going to phase content.
>It’s the first day of beta. Aren’t a lot of things going to change between now and release?
LOL
does STV at least still have comfy thunderstorms? This determines if I get back into vanilla or not.
>paying retail sub just for a chance of beta invite
how cucked can you be
what the fuck is that orc stance wheres the powercurve
>IT'S JUST A BETA
>BUT THEY'LL FIX IT
>I DON'T WANT TO BE ALONE
>blizzard
>using feedback from beta/alphas
HAHAHA ENJOY YOUR DAYNIGHT FAG
>Classic will be just like Vanilla!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
>retail player who only plays paladin
>check his stream for beta
>he's playing rogue
OHNONONONONO
They’ve already changed a lot based off of feedback from the community
yes
i seriously hope no one here plans on playing a mage rogue or warrior
literally every retail refugee will be jumping on them
>t-they will fix it...
yeah we said sharding is shit so they added sharding but changed the name
yes I'm going to play shit classes like druid, pala or wl
>off spec hybrid faggot thinks he won't be kicked on sight
>druid
>wl
>shit
ok zoomer
the power... of feral...
they are shit in classic this is not bc or retail you sperg.
>dpscuck zoomers talking shit
as expected of literal children
>actually played in real classic unlike you
>zoomer
please roll druid.
>healing not objectively a cucked role
>muh niche as fuck warlock tank boss
They’ve said it will be gone by phase 2. I feel pretty positive about it all and I’m pretty excited to play. If they go mess to many things up or go back on their word in regards to how long layering lasts I can just stop them playing if I’m no longer have fun. There isn’t an up front 60 dollar cost to it. Just the sub fee which costs as much as a drink or two at a bar. No big deal.
>actually played in real classic
yes which is why your only argument was "m-muh feral", right
christ the classic pve babies are obnoxious
Already on it, I was considering going either priest for healing or huntard for dps until Blizzard demonstrated they are incapable of making video games in the current year.
>play classic
>no
>bladestorm
>spell reflection
>heroic leap
>spellsteal
>ring of frost
>mirror image
>maim
>typhoon
>lifebloom
>master's call
>kill shot
>beast within
>dispersion
>mass dispel
>psychic horror
>shadow dance
>viable cloak of shadows
>killing spree
>bloodlust
>lava burst
>hex
>unstable affliction
>chaos bolt
>metamorphosis
but I only played pvp and I shat on every druid or wl player as mage :)
>Call any potential healers cucks for picking that role
>Pride gets the best of them and they choose a dps class because they're not good enough to tank
>Potential pool of healers shrinks causing any individual healer to be more in demand
Based secret genius
"hybrids" were explicitly balanced back in vanilla to be worse at dps than pure dps classes. It wasn't till TBC that philosophy changed.
>Layering
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
hence hybrid tax
NOOOO I WANT TO BE UNIQUE
I DON'T WANT TO PLAY WARRIOR/MAGE/ROGUE
yeah, it's "only" for like half a year
yaay
kill yourself falseflagging retard
See you guys on the 27th
They stated that phase one will be by far the shortest since they want to get pvp ranking and dire maul out relatively quickly. After that they will release new phases based on how quickly the overall population is clearing content.
I think they just haven't fully updated the lighting engine yet.
>those dumb fake vanilla players who don't realise current retail wow's nights are as dark as vanilla nights were
y'all dumb niggers acting like nights in vanilla were pitch black
>No weather effects
>No dark nights
>World wide sharding
>No dazing effect when hit by mobs running away
>Crossrealm BG's
>Zergrush AV version
>16 debuffs from the start triviliasing MC, Onyxia and BWL further
>Can add horde players as friends and chat with them ingame on same server while playing
>Cash shop function at login screen
>No game masters
>Mobs do close to zero damage
>Regen rates so high food and water is trivialized
>Beta tested by BFA players
>180$ / year price to play
How would any self respecting vanilla player fall for this BFA-reskin scam and give their money to Activision?
>pvp druids are ba-
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>was a player in Vanilla, had a shitton of sub months
>didn't get invite
>somehow Shroud who never touched wow in his life got an invite
seems fair
>pserver shit
based ff
I don't get it
yikes any other class could have dabbed on those two easier
Is the weather back?
yes get comfy
Every other class sucks massive cock, except maybe hunter
what's wrong with playing paladin? they get heals and big armor
>(You) paid 50$ to try a classic demo for two days at blizzcon, which turned out to be a BFA reskin in one zone, with 4 levels available.
>(You) have to resub to get a chance at a Beta invite
>Streamers who haven't been subbed for years are selected into the Beta. (You) aren't selected despite resubbing and giving them their 15$
>On weekends 1 month apart (you) can still participate for a day in the beta stress test. (You) better be subbed and pay their 15$ each month to get 1-2 days limited access.
>To reserve your name on server before launch you need to stay subbed and pay them their 15$
>It turns out the entire game is just a BFA reskin of a 15 year old game available for free in a better version, but Blizz will still collect 15$ a month for access
Holy shit I fucking love this smug company. They are LITERALLY pullying off a CLASSIC pyramid scheme scam and people are fucking falling for it heads down.
AHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHA
Modern Warfare 2 "We want dedicated servers" boycott steam group on day one of MW2 launch
>no mount
There’s riding mounts at 20,40,60
Fucking retard
they are fucking boring, long cds and shit
hybrid tax is a meme
druid and pally talent trees were a complete fucking mess and is the main reason these classes sucked major cock
no one understands your nerd speak
>assuming a blizzdrone wouldn't be shilling this
You faggots are giving activision fucking blizzard your money for vanilla wow. You cucks are beyond hope.
>20
>classic
>being this goddamn retarded
What class are you rolling?
Hybrid tax was always a meme when the best tank and dps is in the same class, and when rogues and mages provide far superior utility in things like stealth/sap/poly/food/drink etc. than shitty offheals which you will never use
There's no sharding.
what
It's easy to capitalize on hype since companies know that whales exist. Literally 98% of people aren't eating all of that extra cost bullshit. Shit just look at the amounts of mmo which launch with $300 supporter early alpha access packs and shit. Even utterly broken trash like Bless this mess probably manages to make at least over $10000-100000 with those alone.
I played a feral in vanilla
So of course I will be rolling mage fuck you I'm not going back there again
And yet there's examples of ret pallies and feral druids in vanilla consistently ranking high in dps charts
BUT ITS BETA
shut up seething hybrid know your place
It's sharding.
>hybrid cuck thinks he can compete with core chads
So you see people from other servers?
why is it a bunch of slavs and chinks can run an old version of their game quick and easy but the company themselves takes so fucking long AND has to have a beta
why do you lie you faggot retard? it clearly gets darker later on. Nice falseflag SLOPPY JOB MOSSAD
based
No. What are you, stupid? I didn't say crossrealm.
Deferred shading was a mistake.
I don’t play a hybrid because they are all complete trash
Then it's not sharding.
I'll grant you a (you) to point out no sane FF player wishes for WoW to fail for one reason. The more success WoW has, the more WoWfags get out of our god damn game. You're stupid with your stupid post, this rivalry is stupid and you can be sure anyone mentioning it is manipulating discours and lying.
I hope Classic is an amazing success and that it can retain a huge playerbase for years to come.
Yes.
>each day we make new excuses for classic
at what point do we say ENOUGH and force blizzard to stop compromising the project?
Because 20 years ago Blizzard used to make good PC games.
But today Activision Blizzard is just a scam company trying to find ways to rip you off.
They CANNOT and I emphasize CANNOT make a decent product if their lives depended on it. It's quite amazing actually.
Just look at it. They went from 1 Scam: building up Diablo hype for a phone game. To the next scam: Making a BFA reskin of vanilla for that audience.
They are very professional scam artists but they cannot make anything decent.
>Never used Reddit
>Been on the Chans since 2008
>Played Hunter from Vanilla through Wrath
>ALT being a Warrior
Why you gotta lie?
Ty for agreeing that classic doesn't have sharding.
Where are my fucking Pokemon battles reeeeeeeeeeee
It will.
I don't understand how dipshits are okay with retail night when fucking private servers can do it better
>goes from "it does" to "it will"
I bet you were one of the "never ever" who thought we'd never get Classic, too.
For more look at their most recent sub-scam:
They changed sharding from zone-specific to multiple zone-specific and changed the name to 'layering'
Changing the product name when it's unpopular is literally 101 scamartist
Their servers literally cannot handle more than a few dozen players in one zone at a time.
CHINK AND SLAVS RUNNING RIGS FROM 20 YEARS AGO CAN HANDLE MORE STRESS LOAD
BLIZZ LITERALLY SPEND 4 FUCKING DOLLARS ON SERVER MAINTENANCE
>I don't understand how dipshits are okay with retail night
darkmoon potion night > classic night
The virgin
>"NOOO!!!1! Y-You can't play that race/class/spec combination because it's NOT EFFICIENT. Nevermind that vanilla raids are easy, you need to READ THIS SPREADSHEET to play optimally"
>does average DPS
>is actually afraid of wiping on 15 year old easy content
The chad
>"Fuck your shit, fun things are fun"
>bis feral druid
>mastered the art of powershifting, constantly in the top 3
>beta for a game that's been out for 15 years
>>mastered the art of powershifting, constantly in the top 3
some high tier delusion. a rogue afk auto swinging will stomp a feral going 100%.
he has played a shitload of WoW dumbass
>Beta for a game that has been out for 15 years... and it's not even the same game that's been out for 15 years
L M A O
I dont play wow but dungeon finders were the worst thing to happen to the genre and may very well be the primary cause of it going to shit
>No weather effects
They're in the game, literally watch a stream or check wowclassic sub, there's vids of it.
>No dark nights
they become dark as the night goes on.
>World wide sharding
Called layering, 3 layers. 2k people per layer, like vanilla
>No dazing effect when hit by mobs running away
Dazing had a lower chance to happen around lvl 1-20, it picks up as you lvl up.
>Crossrealm BG's
was a thing in vanilla too
>Zergrush AV version
also a vanilla thing
>16 debuffs from the start triviliasing MC, Onyxia and BWL further
idk shit about this so cant comment
>Can add horde players as friends and chat with them ingame on same server while playing
You cant add or talk to opposite faction
>Cash shop function at login screen
place holder, ion said literally a day ago there wont be a cash shop, MAYBE for realm transfers since they were a vanilla thing.
>No game masters
??????
>Mobs do close to zero damage
as low level mobs do in lvl 1-10, look up Joanna's unedited gameplay for proof. Dumbass, it picks up later on, asmon kept dying in westfall.
>Regen rates so high food and water is trivialized
again, low level stuff, it picks up, and gets harder. Private servers got it all wrong.
>Beta tested by BFA players
Bfa players and veterans
>180$ / year price to play
So like retail wow?
what else you got, dumbass faggot.
INB4 shill
There were plenty of talent trees that were a mess. The point is Blizzard actually said hybrids even specced DPS are balanced to be worse than pure DPS classes.
DPS classes even got mad going into TBC that they then changed this and said that hybrids should be equal to DPS classes when specced DPS.
Literally how vanilla wow nights looks liked. Sloppy job mossad.
>actually talking your time to answer to this bait
user...
sure thing redditor
They usually give Steamers the 1st beta keys for free publicity.
Nothing new here
>reddit bad
grow up, kiddo
>some high tier delusion. a rogue afk auto swinging will stomp a feral going 100%.
lol
youtube.com
he's right though
Holy Paladin
Don't know about the race yet, maybe dorf
>outing yourself as a redditor
OH NO NO NO NO NO
>frogposting
You outed yourself too, you're just as bad.
but reddit is bad, are you implying otherwise? nice try on that blog, redditor
>They're in the game, literally watch a stream or check wowclassic sub, there's vids of it.
Show me 1 clip of weather effects in classic
>they become dark as the night goes on.
Show me 1 clip of dark nights in classic
>OP makes fun of min/maxers
>post video of guy having to min/max just to compete
>2k people per layer, like vanilla
But this isn't true. Vanilla did not distribute players on different phases of a zone. Layering adds complications to the game that allows player to skip between layers to find rares, chests, avoid getting ganked etc
if he was min maxing he'd have rolled a human warrior
cope, newfaggot
also he isn't even bis in any of those clips and still hitting 3rd, 2nd and 1st place constantly
You didn't know there was layering in Vanilla? Even most private servers kept it, except in cases where there were not enough players.
Not with everything else being equal. Although maybe possible just before + spell damage was added as casters didn't really scale, a bis feral or ret would have lots of str/agi.
Base Classic isn't going that far back. "Spell power" exists at launch.
Dicks out for Tipsout failing the jump in WC.
>feral druids are bad in pve
*blocks your path*
vanilla-twinhead.twinstar.cz
vanilla-twinhead.twinstar.cz
so what, did they make night time brighter for all the second shift nerds who got sad that they never get to play the game during the day?
Played vanilla, never once had to group up with a friend in any zone no matter how full of players in order to find them. never once saw a message in any chat mentioning anything about "join my group so you don't have to deal with that many people in your layer".
It did not exist in vanilla.
stop pretending your shit game is balanced lmao
What I've noticed doing dungeons in the bigger MMOs is that once something is said, conversation becomes MUCH more likely.
If nothing happens to spark a response from someone in the group, a silent run is very likely to occur.
The more people in the group talk, the more likely they are to continue.
Having to speak to each other just to put the group together in the first place, plus chatting while more members were recruited, got those first words out of the way immediately and made conversation very common.
Now you have to pray something happens in the dungeon to spark some words, and that they actually catch a flare up into an actual conversation before the dungeon is over.
fuck off beaner shilling retard
my fursona...
Are you an idiot? It used to turn to dusk and then night. Dusk was a subset of night.
I agree. Also if people are worried about finding groups just start your own. Even as a dps. You will get so many more reponses typing “LFM all rolls!” instead of LFG. At least in my experience anyways.
Isn't there a potion that makes the world darker at night or something?
t. I don't play wow
lmao ofc the fraud would fail that jump
who the fuck started the meme that vanilla nights were actually dark
$180 a year subscription for a 15 year old game.
Wouldn't even pay the standard $79 you pay for a new game even if there was no sub.
Depends on the zone too but that barrens is too bright in both pics.
woah they got the HL2 cinematic mod guy in for classic?
Has there been any rain in the beta yet or no.
*ahem*
gentlemen
It's nost just about weather effects being in, weather intensity was changed as well, don't fall for their tricks.
THINK OF THE ADVERTISERS
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT HTE FUCK RETAIL FRIENDS HOW CAN THEY HAEV RAIN AND WE DONT GET ANYTHIGN WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH BLIZZARD I'M LITERALLY SHAKING RIGHT NOW
does retail wow actually not have rain?
it has rain
sloppy job mossad, the "new nights" are from cata in your pic
MUSIC Kreygasm MUSIC Kreygasm MUSIC Kreygasm MUSIC Kreygasm
>we're tailoring the game to look as close to as it used to as possible
>noooooooo this isn't just because it's beta you can never trust blizzard user reeeeeeeeeeeee give me replies and attention
not in old zones.
SAY THE WORD
low risk, low reward when leveling
go back to ptg reddit tourist
How is resto druid healing in vanilla?
the nights are correct, cope
Its wrong to mix your white and colored knickers.
NIGGER
go home little migapede
is terraformas any good, first it felt something good like gantz but soon it turned something like basilisk or naruto with their superpowers and shit.
>WoW in 2019
Watching timers tick down for maximum mana regen
I wish they gave beta access to people who would actually test shit thoroughly instead of retarded streamers who started in wrath of the lich king and unironically try and speedlevel on a fucking beta
zoomer twich omegalul
Wow, this guy was streaming on twitch in 2005 before twitch even existed
I feel ya Blizzard only gave the beta to streamers fucking niggers.
did that guy even play vanilla
reminder that classic will be full of 13 year olds spamming gay twitch emotes in chat and spamming memes about how epic classic is because asmongold him so
No and he's been caught out multiple times for being full of shit yet somehow he has a following
If that absolute fucking con artist can make it then anybody can
NA WoW yeah XDD
...And it is beautiful
no shit because the audience is either a stupid swifty wannabe who is completely blinded by nostalgia or a zoomer who is stupid enough to eat his bullshit. I hope you guys enjoy your Barrens twitch chat.
80% will be eliminated by level 20, the rest won't make it to level 40.
>Hurrrrwww mounts lvl 20
Consider pic related
Opposed to the other spam from back in the day? Can't wait for those chuck Norris facts and rawr xd
Pepega WoW Pepega Calssic Pepega
>executes you from 9 yards away
heh... nothing personnel, kid...
Nice hairline boomer user LUL
40/60
it's okay, honest mistake
rolling human male paladin looking like chuck norris and then idling in barrens spouting chuck norris facts hordes can't read on a pvp server
named chucknorris of course
That's clearly evenin/morning
The skybox looks like afternoon/evening.
Show me proof of bright night time with actual stars in the sky and then i'll get mad.
This image isn't proof at all.
That shit was bad but twitch crap is popular than that ever was
that's actually pretty great, I'm sick of seeing the world mostly during the night.
I miss spooky nights lads
layering was literally done just to appease streamers so theyve already ruined the game
>Mount at lvl 20
see
*AHEM*
(you)
why do scandinavians unironically use xD
why not :P
is anyone else skeptical and doubtful it will turn out good, but still hopeful? some of the things they've said and done have been hopeful, but with activision it feels like a nice meal before you get stabbed.
We need a streamfaggot to get some screens of classic night to add to this comparison, I fucking hope they didn't botch the nights bros.
Yeah it's new day/night cycles and rain.
The best thing about old wow to me was the hard as fuck rain on late night feralas
bait more seething retailfag :^)
i never understood how the dungeonfinder is a bad thing. only casuals acutally use it since anything above heroic dungeons/lfr raids isnt queueable anyways.
so if you want to do anything above those difficulties you have to recruit people without using matchmaking.
the game has far bigger problems than a simple QoL tool for the casual players.
Swe? :D
I assume it's the same with germans and ^^
As long as layering goes away I'll be very happy with it. Classic team has shown that care about getting everything right and layering is the less shit alternative to tons of realms that would end up needing to be merged.
In like 2 hours it's gonna be night on classic servers and we'll have a chance to btfo OP bros
Why is weather so comfy lads?
only thing dark about that image is his camera migapede
>It's daytime for the chinese farmers from the other side of the globe.
they don't
The absolute STATE of BFA hitboxes
Alright so you can move to a different layer if you have a friend in a different one but oh wait what if he ends up getting moved to your instead? On top of this its not like theres anyway to comunicate with people in other layers in game the only way i guess you could do it is through discord
>3 months of watching streamers play classic
i will be over it before it launches
migapede go home
#1 should be #2 and vice versa
because private servers don't have the source code
it's no excuse for blizzard
If you're so upset about it just wait a month or whatever and it'll be gone.
Feral yes, Ret never.
>no mobility creep, game is back to a balance of high mobility = squishy, low mobility = tanky
Oh no bring me back to bfa!
>phasing is in
twitch.tv
HHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Not in the last 10 years.
you wouldn't mind showing these examples right?
but what about my vanilla lag
>Zooming in on the dark sky
>Moving away the camera from the lighting
>Calling that rain
>giant facecam and dinosaur graphic taking up half of the fucking screen
Why are streamers so obnoxious?
private servers had to emulate everything. keep that in mi- oh wait you can't
lol pwned
Layering/sharding did not exist in any of the old expansions on retail. The technology wasn't put into the engine at that point.
because you aren't watching the good ones
oh man that silithid creeper laid an egg haha.. i wonder how it looked like haha...
No... No, what the fuck this can't be phasing, it has to be something else. There's no fucking sharding in Classic blizz said so
There's going to be thousands of druid zoomers because of him isn't there
>Get ready for an EPIC (tm) tarren mill vs southshore battle
>Tons of players are running around on their mounts and spamming spells. It looks awesome, a complete rebirth of this spontaneous community event.
>Get phased to an empty layer.
>There's just level 23 spiders
>Sigh and start killing them.
we did 10 years ago.
so like vanilla wow and chuck norris jokes? got it
I work from home so I have him up on my other screen while I'm doing shit. I just watched him pull three scorpions and die.
I can't wait for August
Sorry bud, that is a telltale sign of phasing/sharding. It happens all the time in BFA.
that's a good thing though,most of them will be feral fucktards that won't be allowed into raids
wow streamers usually cover chat so that private messages aren't accidentally shown on stream or some guy spamming NIGGER in chat doesn't get them banned.
And I wouldn't want it any other way
Um sweetie its called layering and its completely different!
Mobs literally doing 72% less base damage than autoattack
thats only for ameritards though
OH NO NO NO NO NO
chance has always been a little faggot and was surprised to see him have that many followers. only thing i remember is videos of him flipping shit on people who beat him in duels and they were probably some of the most annoying wow videos i've ever watched. never once did i think he was funny or interesting.
>twitch.tv
Can't see shit captain, what am I supposed too be looking for? The telltale ''uncloak'' shit that phasing usually does is not on the screen.
Nigga that's an NPC. It has nothing to do with sharding
>one mob despawns
>REEEEEE PHASING
>11/8/2018
retailfags are really this angry about classic are they? Nice job showing blizzcon demo :) have a (you)
Look at the centaur behind the one hes charging.
It's possible Verog simply despawned just as he charged.
>tfw popular streamer is going the same class and build you were planning on.
NPCs change with sharding too you know. Thats how people jump shards to see if rares are up in different shards to farm them. Something that will be very active in classic with layering, everyone will have a tidal charm for pvp.
wew retailcucks rly have no idea how the game works
Come on now, this is just shitty bait and you know it.
Hi friend. I know you are upset about Classic overshadowing retail, but those numbers are as should be.
youtube.com
that's not phasing, retards. that shit literally happened back in vanilla.
DELETE DELETE!!!!!!!!!
it's hilarious how much retailcucks continue to seethe in these threads every single thread.
>thread is nothing but zoomers shilling their e-friend
Sad.
super dark westfall bro
>mobs literally disappearing out of nowhere when you enter an area was in vanilla
It's the kind of phasing like the DK zone in wotlk.
HAAH WAAW
it's called mob despawn, and yes, it happened in vanilla.
I too can cherrypick different times on the stream when the night gets darker :)
KYS retailtranny, I know it sucks that BFA will die out but it's over. Accept it, also go dilate
>2-2-2-2-2-3-F3-F3-2-2-2....
bravo
Yeah, found it. But if I remember correctly, that is one of the mobs that patrol around that area and instead of walking back to where it started, it despawns and then respawns back at the start after like 15-20 sec. There are a few patrols like that in vanilla and even in retail today.
Does the classic beta at least have the blue glow for Barrens? To me that's part of the aesthetics of the zone at night.
>random mob despawn
Not a thing unless it's a spawned mob in the first place.
Phasing is related to quest progress dumbass, has nothing to do with sharding
no persistent world
no persistent sub
MY MOUNTS
MY PETS
MY TRANSMOGS
I SPENT HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS
THOUSANDS OF HOURS FARMING SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER LEVEL CONTENT
WHERE WILL IT GO IF CLASSIC GETS MORE POPULAR THAN WOW?
WHERE?!
which verog is you fucktard
No one said anything about sharding in that reply chain.
WTF TAUREN DOES SWIMMING ANIMATION WHILE JUMPING IN WATER, SLOPPY JOB MOSSAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Calling me a blizz BFA tranny
>Literally going out of your way to suck their dick BFA reskin
That's not a cherry picking you blizzcuck BFA fan tranny. It's THE view when moving around. Direct copy paste from BFA lmao
wait, is this guy shifting in and out of cat to trigger an energy return? was feral designed like this, or is he wearing some item for it?
can't wait for weather effects again
so what does [streamer] think of the beta? does he like it? do i like it?
I don't think that is Verog. But some patrol NPCs does the same thing in vanilla. It's fairly uncommon though.
there is an item, its like level 40 or some shit but its bis because of the gimmick.
it's called powershifting
probably using this as well
classicdb.ch
Yes it's perfect and everyone loves it including you
Did the check clear yet?
again its literally how it was in vanilla, stop your le crying
looks dark to me, looks the same as
you'll never survive classic, stick to retail kid
>It’s the first day of beta. Aren’t a lot of things going to change between now and release? Why else have a closed beta?
Which game in the last 10 years changed after a "beta"
Lets exclude minecraft from this straight from the beginning.
If you're gonna shill at least shill for streamers who actually played during vanilla, like TipsOut or Towelliee
I think it is him
@462381920
kill yourself
prove it. You can't, of course. Damage values are vanilla. Regen is vanilla. Everything is vanilla except for the game engine.
Frog posters, trannies, whatever. You all should be put to death.
I assume this post is irony considering Tips is a confirmed Cata-fetus.
is enchanting good in vanilla? i got so much less gold from leveling when i was disenchanting all my greens instead of selling them, want to get enough money for mount asap
>A fucking mob de-spawned
>Shills losing their minds
This is a sign that we are winning lads, they are utterly desperate & grasping at straws
>wowhead.com
It's been ages since I saw anyone do that shit, but if I remember correctly, that item is 100% needed to be able to do good-decent dps as a feral druid. It's just one piece of the puzzle though, you need other very specific items too make it work.
uh how to warlocks lose threat in vanilla bros? just die? i want to spam big crit shadowbolts
>TipsOut or Towelliee
Towelliee literally played classic for 30 minutes before he went back to retail.
>shilling for ANY streamer
enchanting is great once u have it maxed, skinning nad herbs are the best for actual money while leveling
This
Enchanting is good when you have gold already. Double gathering is probably the best for making early gold.
>we are winning
The retail crowd trying to ruin classic for everyone by letting blizzard make changes? Devilish.
just farm voidshards so you can summon all of my whores you retard
die or stop doing damage until someone is far enough ahead of you again.
Is classic going to be sub based?
Roll Alliance for Salvation. Otherwise prepare to have to throttle yourself in raids constantly.
Wait like 3-10 sec and then use you wand for a while, once you have low enough threat you can spam your faggy ass crit bolts again.
Fuck retail and fuck you tranny activision shill
As you seen base attack in vanilla did not overshadow with >70% dmg of the mob at same level
The only change I'd wish for was giving druids the option to resurrect people out of combat.
[Anal] Dirge LMAOOOOO
roll alliance for salvation and still throttle yourself, albeit a little less.
getting corpse camped? no worries just go to another layer. Banding together with allies to defeat enemies is sooooo last decade.
quest npc dead? just go to another layer!
want to escalate a skirmish or save a zone getting pillaged? Don't even try to bring a couple of raids in to help they'll just get stuffed on another layer
someone kited a dangerously strong mob to your area or let an infernal loose? just hop on over to another layer!
>t-there's no night sky!
wrong
>i-it's too bright!
wrong
>t-there's no weather effects!
wrong
See that yellow highlighted icon in the bottom left? That's heroic strike rank 2. Adds 21 damage to a strike for the cost of 20 rage. Notice that the number above the enemy is also yellow and not white like autoattack damage? Ever stop and wonder why?
you do realize how heroic strike worked right... RIGHT? oh wait nevermind you didn't play vanilla
Do warlock shards despawn when you go offline? I forget
Anal [Ambush]
heuheuhuehueuheuhe
>[Anal] Perception
DELETE!!!! DLETE NOW DONW NOW NOW N NOEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>rend on the toolbar
AHAHAHAHAHA
Shills getting desperate boys.
like I said, those values on Asmongold are correct. Read mortal strike's tooltip you fucking retarded mong. Do you even know what that blue shield icon on the top left is, you fucking newfag?
bullsht
Why 1/4 of your bars are cropped? Oh wait because that's a shop.
This is not a heroic strike, it's a base attack: back to the customer cashshop activision
nice wowhead screenshot user
>this post
ahahahhahahah retailcucks
Who are you motherfuckers who thought that original WoW was the Dark Souls of MMOs? Get the fuck out. Grinding was always piss easy. Just time consuming.
Not like you have anything else to spend rage on around level 15. May as well use it for the extra 2 dps.
the power creep goes hyper-retarded real fast, but its worth the watch. not really that big of a time investment b/c its just a few episodes
because it's a screenshot of a streamer's ui
>vanilla-wow.fandom.com
Fuck off already. You have already proven yourself as a shitposter, retard or both.
why play anything but lock?
>easy leveling
>cucks rogues if specd right
>free mount
>solid endgame
try duskwood
I can't wait to destroy all of you faggots rolling Undead Rogue
I kind of want to play druid, but I remember having to be in human form to use every quest item and it was way too irritating.
>click mushroom
>you can't do that in shapeshifted form
>shift out of cat form
>click mushroom
>shift back into cat form
>repeat forever
N
Play mage instead.
>easier leveling
>cucks rogues always
>free consumables/portals
>better than solid endgame
druids are still the most fun to level as
I want to fuck this revolving door of men.
...
>not shifting as easily as breathing
Imagine being "irritated" by this.
Not a heroic strike no matter how much Activision lets you play beta for typing it:
They don't. Germans do
mages do not have easier leveling than warlock.
only good post ITT
Go get 'em champ
Ohhh no no shouldn't have posted that, now shills are on suicide watch
yes but you can dance as a cheeta
>overaggro when boss is at 95% hp and die
>have to soulstone yourself and die to reset aggro if you want to do real competitive dps
Hah yeah real solid.
K I N O
Sure they do. AoE grinding is a cakewalk. Very profitable too.
Seriously who started the meme that classic nights were dark?
christ how can anyone listen to this autist? he can't stay quiet for 5 god damn seconds
>LOL BRO LOOK AT MY WOW FEET PICS FOLDER XD
Jesus fuck, is that guy on cocaine?
>>have to soulstone yourself and die to reset aggro if you want to do real competitive dps
working as intended why else would they give locks a self res :)
It's always been like that newfag
Only 103 days to go, bros
did he pass out before 30? lul
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY RETAIL FRIENDS ARE ALL QUITTING IN REAL TIME BLIZZARD STOP THEM THEY CAN'T LEAVE ME ALONE WITH THE TRANNYS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Someone redpill me on this layering stuff. I guess it is okay for them to put it only for the first areas? But if this is persistent, my hype gonna be -80% down
>damage of a weapon with a nearly 4 second swing time
>vs a fast-swinging mob designed to always be in packs
I have 1.12 client installed, and they are pretty fucking dark compared to "Classic" or retail.
>pserver
he rambles to drag out time and make money like the rest of the classic cast leeches.
Staysafe honestly creeps me out
I get serial killer vibes from that guy
>In Wetlands
>Rain
>This song starts playing:
youtube.com
>>cucks rogues always
>see mage farming
>wait in the cut
>health drops low and throws out a nova
>sneak in
>CB+bush that nigga to the graveyard
>get called a pussy on the forums
feels good
it's temporary but I see why people don't like it. Hopefully they walk it back to just the 1-25 zones or something.
I mean, it's better than Vanilla's issues. I played on Blackrock. I couldn't play the game most days.
>another mage walks into your spot
OH NONONONONO BETTER SWAP LAYERS /1 LOOKING FOR EMPTY LAYER I NEED MY AOE FARM OH NONONOOO
it's going to be everywhere for over a month and completely fuck the organic feeling we're all pining for oh well lol and even if they turn it off it's still going have lingering effects and the option for blizzard to turn it back on in case the servers shit the bed (which they will) will still be there
Why don't people just play on private servers? Are they that desperate to give Blizzard their money?
.t someone who hasn't played since Cata and doesn't plan to go back, Vanilla or no.
...
It's a fucking crit you shitposter. If it's white and larger than the other numbers it's a crit. If it is yellow it's a modifier (like heroic strike).
>B-but it's the same size!
That is because you screenshotted the number AFTER it had done it's animation.
classic cast truly is an absolute embarrassment to be honest
its for all zones for at least all of phase 1.
>and the option for blizzard to turn it back on
this is what worries me.
also pic related
ni hao fellow gold farmer
private servers are shit
I-ll gladly pay $15 a month for some actual moderation
delete this
He is pretty annoying but to be fair he had stayed up like 26 hours at that point and went to sleep straight after that clip
AoE leveling doesn't work on a new server
Layering is basically multiple servers on top of eachother. It is different than sharding because it isn't cross realm and the layer goes across the entire continent. Layers are the size of what a normal server used to be, and will be gone by Phase 2 (world bosses).
clips.twitch.tv
This tipsout faggot is getting so exposed now that classic is playable lmao
doesn't matter because he's always like that, it's not my first time seeing him
u mage fags are delusional
>he wants to converse with randoms
private servers are unreliable garbage infested with chinks and russians and run by corrupt retards
based
These streamers are fucking retarded. i've seen at least 10 bugs now that they dont even react to let alone report.
This shit's fucked brehs.
guys, just imagine how hilarious it will be if classic manages to kill retail? What the fuck will blizzard do? Stop developing new Expansions?
Where is warlocks?
>and will be gone by Phase 2 (world bosses).
Said Ion, same guy promising flying would be in legion after a few weeks which turned out to be like after a full year.
Says all the devs.
same thing happened during Legion and BfA's betas.
If you see any major bugs don't expect Blizzard to ever get around to fixing them.
They're using the same shit as current wow for the system, except with the old models.
No big wonder everything looks like shit at "night"
Backpedal heavily.
I wouldn't even be surprised if they decided to kill off classic because it became too big a threat to retail
>they dont even react to let alone report.
Why would they? They are not playing the game for fun, they are playing it to get paid.
flying is aids so that only helps his trustworthiness
That's not how corporations and money work, user
They don't fucking care. They don't release sub numbers ever since WoD turned out to be a disaster, and classic and retail are in the same sub. To an uneducated person it will look like the current expansion is doing really well even if it was 99% classic players.
Either in Ogrimmar or in Stormwind, just like every other class, why are you asking?
>kill off something making more money than retail to save retail
What kind of retard logic is that?
Retail people are just SEETHING at this point. Let them have their fun, you're pathetic now
Well they have spent years lying about timeframes and I don't trust them to stop now. Blizzard employees are not your friends, they want your money, that is it.
>flying is aids
not in shitty zones like the legion ones
they're specifically made to be as obnoxious to travel on land as possible
humans cant be druids retard
some servers have shitty scripts, they're international so you'll be grouping with people who don't speak your language, chink gold farmers are fucking everywhere and will spam you incessantly, mobs and some gathering nodes have dynamic respawn times which makes some zones annoying to play through and impacts server economies, it's volunteer run so support tickets and bugfixes can sometimes take weeks to be resolved or sometimes just never get resolved, and many servers can just stop being supported at any time or do a rollback so all of your progress is just lost.
i still play on them, but it's understandable why some people would want a version with more official support.
How does him lying and not fulfilling his promises help his trustworthiness? He'll just burn you all the same next time.
they would probably just call it a warcraft multiverse while adding content to both? both avengers and spiderverse doing that, it's hugely mainstream, why wouldn't they just copy that if classic becomes too popular? doubt it will have 25% of players after 2 months but thats just me.
level 60 hwl vs level 32 scrub
both are reality
>EU bros testing stuff and having good bants
>NA mutts overdosing on adderal, 3 hour wailing caverns, getting exposed, can't stop sperging out.
It's truly amazing how mentally ill mutts are.
This makes me so fucking happy. I hope they scale up the rain into questing zones too. But just seeing that they do have rainstorm in gives me hope.
My final wish is that they make it darker at nights, then it will be kino questing.
feral literally requires 3+ hours of grinding gnomeregan to be competetive because a blue that drops there is BiS for feral and has only 3 charges so you gotta farm it every day over and over
6k people on northdale FUCK WHERE IS LAYERING HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KILL THESE FUCKING SKELETONS UUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>Quick make the goyim hate each other
which item is that? there's a lot of that in classic tho, all those small buffs for different classes
>feral literally requires 3+ hours of grinding gnomeregan to be competetive
And even then, they're this far behind rogues.
>pic
Not dark enough
Imagine a team of hundreds of people at blizzard spending years trying to make wow better with quality of life changes and streamlining everything and then it all becomes pointless because people would rather play the 15 year old version
Blizzard will burn itself to the ground before it admits that the last 10+ years of patches only made the game worse
he probably means this
classicdb.ch
manual crowd pummeler
Only retards in this thread push that druids are useful outside of resto
Nostalrius was dark as shit at night, stop lying you fucking braindead drone.
OH MY GOD I SAW ANOTHER PLAYER AND HAD TO GROUP UP WITH THEM TO FINISH THE QUEST. WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS UNPLAYABLE
unironically based and redpilled fuck retailcucks and anyone who buys shit from nublizzard
>private server had to emulate
I
AM
SHOCKED
Assmongo LITERALLY said himself that the night isn't nearly dark enough you absolute fucking mongoloid. Even the faggot that you took this from disagrees with you. Absolute fucking retard.
what would that mongoloid know, he barely played like a few weeks of vanilla
S E E T H I N G
PLS BLIZZARD SHILLS, INFORM YOUR OVERLOADS ABOUT THIS LAYERING PAST STARTING ZONES STUFF
THIS LITERALLY KILLED MY HYPE, IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE TO DO IT IN STARTING ZONES, BUT LATER IN THE GAME IS RETARDED
IT WILL LITERALLY KILL ANY SENSE OF WORLD PvP AND ALSO FUCK THE ECONOMY
PLS PLS CLASSIC IS THE ONLY THING KEEPING ME APART FROM SUICIDE
Lets do math!
>Assumptions: I think he's using a Brushwood Blade and I think he's level 10 in that image.
So at level 10 he's got 27 strength and gains 2 attack power per strength point. That's 54 attack power from warrior base stats. With rank 1 battle shout that's 68 attack power. Divided by 14 is roughly 5 extra damage to a strike. Add that 5 to the 17 sword min damage for a 22 baseline. Double that on a crit and it's 44.
Except he barely played vanilla, his fucking mom would be a more reliable source.
t. mouthbreather
Buttmongoloid didn't even play back in the day, fagtr0n OMEGALUL
If I just want to have fun and dab on people should I play Druid or Rogue?
Did he even play vanilla? he keeps bragging how he is a hardcore classic player and keeps telling stories but all he ever said while playing classic was
>whats this?
>whats there?
>this many?!
>wtf this much?!
As if he never played it
diablo 3 all over again
Go with your gut and fun won't fail you.
>be private server
>enemies have no abilities
>no armor
>no resistances
>fast respawn
>shitty spellcasting ai
>frontstabbable
>sit-crittable
>increased spawn rates of resources
>able to reset your instance position with /camp
>can have both horde and alliance on a pvp server
>wrong regen
>etc
but classic is surely a step down
Rogue
Druid is a ticklethon waiting for your dots to kill
>mfw all I wanted is the return of class identity and talent trees plus a bit of server community
>was never deluded enough to think we could truly go home in the first place
Classic™>Vanilla>Retail
I don't care that there's an auto loot option or nighttime isn't "truedark authentic vanilla darkness" or that you can mail more than 1 stack of shit at a time. Hopefully the BfA animations are still just placeholders but I can get over it if not.
He played the last couple of weeks before it transitioned to BC, so not really. Though he did kind of get the authentic classic levelling experience because levelling wasn't nerfed immediately in BC.
requesting infographs/memes of Ian runing retail WoW
>unironically thinking a 3% crit chance boost for 4 people is justifying an overall dmg loss of 30%-40%
>thinking you will get a spot as anything besides the meta spec
>thinking there wont be any kind of raider.io like addon
>BfA animations
Video?
I see, thanks for the heads-up
Druid if you like toying with your enemy and Rogue if you want to rape them. Nature's swiftness isn't talked about enough by the Druchad posters, you can easily bait people into using their movement CD's to chase you down before healing back up and killing them
Dont mind the dumb anime retard, there's no bfa animations. see pic related, that's the old human special animation
>still playing MMOs
>when we're in the couch co-op renaissance
shiggy diggy doo
The couch who what?
I've been playing the beta and it seems fine. Getting my shit pushed in by Wendigos kinda reminds me why I never got to level 60.
where?
Couch coop died in the 10s
>whining about memes
>In WoW chat
DID SOMEBODY SAY [Skullflame Shield]?!?!
I'll believe it when we get Castle Crashers 2
youtube.com
same
scam? yes. pyramid scheme? no.
incorrect, the first 10 points of any stat dont do anything
Despite all the pessimism i've really enjoyed seeing all the old abilities back on the mobs.
Privates were fucking jank and you all refused to admit it.
Why does it look worse than classic did
see
>shift exploiting
>goes oom in 30 seconds
>doesn't show the main boss fight because once he's oom he gets out dps'ed by the main tank
No we aren't, everyone is more disconnected than ever
source; my ass
Screen cap of a stream.
Enchanting is basically a large investment with large returns. You need a invest a tons of gold and time to get the max skill and shit like Crusader recipe etc, but after you do get them you can make a lot of gold by just pressing a button.
If you want a profession that makes decent gold and doesn't require a huge investment then mining/skinning/herbalism are good choices.
The pessimism and shitposting is out of control. It's seriously fine, the only real issue is the layering but that's it.
>vanilla wow
>mounts at lvl 20
>not 30
Oh, you fucking WoTLKfag.
Admit it bro.. 15 years later nothing could fill the void in our hearts left by the vanilla experience
>30
>not 40
You fucking pandababy.
was 40 before they made it 30 and then eventually 20. Zoom zoom.
>undead rogues
Why does every faggot do this?
>main boss fight
What?
Go back to the school and learn some reading comprehension.
because wotf
Regardless of how low the mount requirements ended up at, flying mounts ruined retail more than anything else.
>People hiding their chat window like in Eve online, pretending anything of value is conveyed in it
how embarrasing
Holy shit lads Classic is beating the fuck out of all games on twitch and it's only beta.
Is this literally the wow renaissance?
true for every class but warriors
vanilla-wow.fandom.com
warrgins crying themselves to sleep over this clip lmao
I dunno where this "phase one" meme came from, Hazzikostas said literally 2 days ago "it will be gone within a few weeks" and that it absolutely had to be gone by the time Kazzak and Azuregos were activated
>gta online usually sits in 1st
>game is absolute garbage and filled to the brim with chinamen and russians
means nothing
>new thing everyone is curious about has a lot of people watching it
No.
I'd post a reply saying how all the streamers are fucking braindead but i'm impressed how they're getting so many people to watch levelling content when it's boring to watch. Maybe there is hope in attracting new players afterall
yep and retailfriends are totally assdevastated, you can see it in this thread
Nervous?
Just check what server most of the big streamers will roll to and then avoid that server like the plague.
?????????
In the greentext clearly implies that vanilla wow mounts were obtainable at 30, which is wrong. Why are you calling spurdo-poster a zoomer when all he did was point that out?
>i-it's new they are just c-curious
Wait hold on, weren't you spamming about how this a 15 year old game just now?
bros is it worth the trip to mulgore when the servers launch? hardly anyone but druid fags play tauren everyone plays undead or orc
you wont be dabbing on people as druid, you'll be running away from them like a bitch.
Could be. you get good xp from exploration as well as useful fps for barrens
Tauren warrior is objectively the best tank in the game, you think noone's gonna play that?
As much as I hate the fucking streamer thing I can understand why they block the chat. Otherwise you would get people constantly spamming nigger etc in the chat.
Depends on how the layers work. Since layers are continent wide and you have all the orcs/trolls at launch stuck in durotar, mulgore may be relatively empty.
>ret never
Heh
youtube.com
You won't be saving time doing that.
>Tauren warrior is objectively the best tank in the game
It's not. The most important thing about warrior tanks is doing threat, not having 5% more stamina. Both troll and human warriors are better.
>private server, not real numbers
yeah sorry wrong.
>this projecting
your lack of meaningful connections to other people is not an indicator of relationships in the rest of the world
>inb4 whining about social media
this was when consecration was bugged and did a lot more damage than it should.
Everything in this game is designed to waste your time. Holy shit.
>(Strength x 2) + (Char.Level x 3) - 20
>27x2 + 10x3 - 20 = 64 + 14(shout) = 78
>78 / 14 = 5 extra damage to baseline
It still works with but the math here is better. previous one was a hair under 5 dmg and I doubt blizzard would round up.
>Nostalrius
I love how all these faggy streamers are jumping on the bandwagon acting like they actually played vanilla or even supported Nostalrius when it was open. I just knew the vanilla hype would get hijacked by retards like this
So you didn't play Vanilla? That shit was always 1 month of content padded and stretched out over 6+ months.
>druid, hunters on dps meters
HAHAHAHAHHAHAH
>have 4 options
>block health
>block map
>block bags
>block chat
chat is the least important thing to block
I was a stupid little kid when I played vanilla, I just never realized it.
It's MC you fucking memer, hunters are fairly competitive in MC.
>Doesn't show the actual DPS numbers just that he's on the top
It's completely pointless. Just find a raid full of brain dead DPS and you can top the DPS as a fucking enhancement shaman.
I really hope people realize how true this is. Even back in the Vanilla days we had some kooky dps and tanking specs that weren't close to optimal but still got the job done. With 40 people it wasn't uncommon for a whole party and a half of raiders to not be pulling their weight and shit still got consistently cleared (at least until you hit the AQ40/Naxx wall)
Play what you want, people. Sure you won't get into the "progression" guilds but who cares, all this shit was cleared a decade+ ago. Have fun and know your class and you'll be able to experience everything
Not in the endgame. You want as much health as possible to avoid possible streak of bad luck rolls which will eventually happen.
You forgot:
>Don't have a fucking pointless facecam at all
>ultra sperg Asmon says he's having a good time and he finally has a game to look forward to
Kek. How do you think the retail team feels right now? I wasn't getting hyped for Classic, but after checking out different people playing it I think I'm going to give it a go. Several of my friends who have all quit WoW over the years are all also interested.
Even if it lasts only a few months, it's going to be a good few months.
>blizzard giving the fucking regular game everyone was asking for
>a fucking single byte is off, people is hitting 24 instead 23, and birightness is 2% higher than it should ne.
>HOLY FUCK BLIZZARD IS SCAMMING PEOPLE (who can't wait the 3 months the game to be released for regular sub as always has been) HOLY SHIT BLIZZARD THIS COMPANY HAHAHAHAH.
seriously, fuck this thread, why the fuck are you all so dumb, this is a company and they are giving you the fucking goo-goo ga-ga game you were crying for years.
Stop bitching about holy fucking shit, it havent been 24 hours since the fucking beta came out.
>4channeler types /yell nigger
>whops twitch banned your source of income
Fair enough. MMOs are all skinner boxes so it's pretty sad to see people still playing them, especially when there are countless other games that actually provide resolution and satisfaction, instead of just chasing after the newest gear to increase your DPS by 0.2 so you can be "competitive."
and retail isn't? At least working for something instead of having it drip fed through a slot machine with zero effort feels better.
that depends what stage the game is in
hunters are garbage in mc when people get raid gear
Raid DPS is much more important than a tank having a bit more HP and Threat=DPS in the endgame. DPS is pretty much always limited by how much threat the tank can push out.
lowest base agi
the 5% is only good for patchwerk
Retail at least feels faster. Even if everything is a waste of time, getting quests done doesn't feel like a slog.