Is it better than Persona?

Yes

>is it better than trash
I would think most anything is.

It's good but a little overrated. I'd say P3 > P4 > Nocturne > P5

>always use daisoujou every playthrough
Send help.

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same he's just an amazing healer to have in your backline

later on i just force feed him mitamas and make him into a god

Yes, turn press is an actually good turn based combat mechanic
One more + all-out attacks is fucking brain dead and shit

It depends what you're looking for in your RPGs.

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Yes. But it's not really hard to be better than that dumpster fire trash that was P5.

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What's the best way to get Macca late game? I want to indulge in Fusion autism but only have like two dungeons left and I'm level 50

grinding in amala network lower levels at least thats what i do

The fiends are pretty broken. Great skill lists, resistances, stats and HP/MP and the ability of sacrificial + mitamas make them OP throughout the whole game

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this is better than everything. this is best SMT game, best atlus game, best ps2 game, best jRPG, and best game ever

you just to play it, feel it

Kalpa tunnels or what the other guy said.

This. I still say that Nocturne is great, but if I'm being honest I found it kinda boring most of the game. That and I didn't like hardly any of the few characters. For me it kinda just fell flat, though it's by no means a bad or even overrated game to my mind

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actually no, fiends was just another demons. skill list differs betweeen all 174 demons and you can make any set for any demon

resistance preferences differs from moment to moment

hp/mp based only on vitality stat and level

you can use mitamas on any demon

so literally, any demon is good if you know how to play, and Shura demons are bad as any else if you don't know how to operate

you can even complete game solo, or with any random demons. that's the one of things that makes Nocturne good game

yes x10

>Tfw use emulator and play at 300% speed.

I can't believe people that could play this on default speed.

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last dungeon with some attract enemy spells, gives about 25k for each battle chain

not one that boss yet but im guessing
>debuff>buff>attack

imagine being assblasted enough to draw and post this

you're gonna have a blast when you get to him then

>not siding with Chiaki
What's your excuse anons?

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Nocturne is the best SMT game
Persona 4 is the best Persona game
Nocturne is better than Persona 4

So yes

i forgot the exact number of turns but each set amount of turns he will heal the person with the least amount of hp% and the next time he will kill the person with the least amount of hp%

you have to count the turns and play off that but be careful since if you leave him super low on the healing turn he might heal himself to full if he's the lowest hp %

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game has another 5 endings

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She is weak

What are you talking about retard? regular demons don't have skills like Terrorblade, Meditation, Beast Roar, Hell Exhaust etc. They don't have perfect resistances to multiple elements with no weakness and status effects off the bat, they have great HP and MP off the bait and mitamas make them better uses for the reason above. The Fiends are pretty broken. Plain and simple

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>Is it better than Persona?
Lucifer's Call has Dante from the Devil May Cry™ Series.

Chiaki is a big stupid jeans-wearing bitch
Why did you think a jirt goes with those joots

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If you’re gonna post lolis, at least post one from the franchise.

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at least if you had posted Alice it would have been related to the thread dingus

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>Focus -> buff/debuff -> Divine Shot
>repeat until dead in 3 -4 turns
He's pretty easy

how far from matador

based and alice pilled

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Why go with that ugly bitch when I can bang my teacher?

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>has
Did you mean features?

When the options for Chaos consist of some gay "beautiful" world vs siding with the fucking demon lord to destroy the universe I'm pretty sure it's not hard to ignore her Reason.

To be fair you pretty much explicitly don't bang her

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Is nocturne weaker than strange journey?

It's better

I want to die for her

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Yes, not every demon have unique skills but unique skills is that that awesome, it's like little bonus but it's not like you gonna even use that

let's see

>terrorblade
>low damage, low accuracy 1-3 hit aoe
nop, it's the way to miss and waste turns

>meditation
>mid damage drain mp/hp almighty
not really awesome skill, can't crit, can't hit vulnerability, no aoe, no multihit.

>beast roar
>almighty aoe
it's ok skill but it's very late game when you can have Shiva, Vishnu, Belzebub, Metatron. Besides it's not very useful because it's not multihit and can't crit

hell exhaust it shit it's just another aoe skill

this is all niche stuff, player can do way better if he actually plays the game

nocturne is stronger than strange journey but weaker than Kaneko

>Alice fags

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Why did you just ignore the resistances and the increased HP/MP

strange journey is pure degradation, how can you even compare. strange journey is poor man's etrian odyssey, PS2 games much better than NDS/3DS shit.

Don't look so smug bitch your hand is snakes

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I have played every SMT in DS/3DS. Im currently playing P5, 75 hours in, hard, already finished the Casino. The plot and characters of course are more "fleshed out" in Persona, which means that you spend half the game watching anime troupes, waifus, and some nip social criticism here and there. SMT is more about post-apocalyptic edgy things and some ethical/philosophical conflicts here and there. Also feels more dungeon crawlers focused, while Persona is about time management and sim life. As always it comes down to personal preferences. In my case, SMT is better. But I do admit that Persona 5 stylish approach and 3d models in battles are pretty much the only reason of why Im still playing it.

I found digital devil saga the best of the series

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Where my DeSu bros at?

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if by "better" you mean ":more grindy" then yes
if you mean "more fun" then hell no

because you can make more hp/mp, it's not some important stats and lots of demons, while not being Shura demons, have the same good resistances or even better, or you can make demons with needed resistances

this is not the game when you need same demons every moment or same resistances or skills or stats. you use demons - you turn them to another demons and so on. and every another game playing you would want to use different demons.

it's like, if you playing Nocturne only one time - then you can make some Shura demons, or make some another ones, why not. but on second, third walkthrough you wouldn't want use the same demons, and there are lots of another good demons in every class, they are not worse or something

>Fiends are better
>Well yeah but you can make other demons as good as fiends with extra work
Hmm, so Fiends are better, got it.

I love DDS, but it's a poor representative of core SMT seeing as there's no kind of demon recruitment or fusion etc
It's more like a more traditional jrpg, with a dope setting and story, turn press and fantastic aesthetic with Kaneko designs

>best SMT game
well, some might say that-
>best atlus game
I mean, it depends of what you li-
>best ps2 game
ok, thats sounds like an exag-
>best jRPG
wait, wha-
>best game ever
oh, it was bait, my bad

>needing to grind in Nocturne
Nocturne's biggest flaw is being too easy though. It is better still though.

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If watching cutscenes for 40 hours is "fun", then I can't argue with you

om mani padme hm

well it depends. compared to the snes smt games nothing is grindy

What are you even trying to even trying to say? The Fiends unique skills are better than most.
>>low damage, low accuracy 1-3 hit aoe
Literally false, The accuracy is high and it's 1-3 AOE which is better than 1 standard AOE
>not really awesome skill, can't crit, can't hit vulnerability, no aoe, no multihit
Biggest bait I have ever seen in my life. Drain skills are free HP/MP and since all bosses have MP you can literally banned. Why do you think Fiends were banned from a low level hard mode run?
>hell exhaust it shit it's just another aoe skill
That has a -kaja efffect and hits force. it's great at early game.
>late game when you can have Shiva, Vishnu, Belzebub, Metatron
You mean demons level 90 above lol? They require fusion autism to even be decent. The Fiends are the best demons in the game bar none. Stop being retarded. No one can compete with them unless you spend hours in fusion grinding skills

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>best jrpg
I mean, the whole genre is pretty fucking bad. I'd unironically consider Nocturne to be a good contender.

Kek

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You type like a fag and your shit's all fucked

Smt 3 nocturne is unironically boring dogshit and anyone who likes it is a tastelet contrarian. The story is non existent and the gameplay gets fucking stale fast. Even persona 1 is a better game.

Do you think frequent encounters = grind or are just retarded?

Play Hardtype. Makes Nocturne 10/10

what would you call the same battle over and over again

(You)

>her entire reason revolves around the strongest being right
>beat her ass, meaning her Reason was wrong by her logic
>"P-Please take my Reason up to Kagutsuchi"

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I don't know, not grinding for sure, seeing as it's not grinding as per the definition of the word

To be fair, she wants you to prove yourself to her. Since... you're her champion and all.

The classic response from a man with no rebuttal

You didn't make an argument, so it seemed appropriate.

Imagine being so based that you would. It's hilarious and cute as fuck.

You say that like Persona 1 is bad

what does Hardtype add?

beating her doesn't inherantly disprove her reason if Demi-fiend also believes in it

romhacking.net/hacks/3299/

it changes a shit ton of crap pretty much you won't be able to cheese as easy

Qualify of Life Enhancements:

Lower quality skills are no longer more likely to transfer in fusions (I’m looking at you, Pester)
Unlearned skills on demons and magatama are no longer hidden
Swapping demons now uses half a press turn
Demons can now swap themselves out
Demons in stock gain 75% of the XP gained in battle (100% with Watchful)
Geis can now be bought in a shop in addition to being won from Puzzle Boy
Shop prices are now only doubled on Hard mode, not tripled
Son’s Oath now gives Dante the Pierce effect
Retreat is now possible (albeit unlikely) in Hard mode
MP pools are increased by 1/3
AoE healing now affects your entire roster, not just the active party
Difficulty Enhancements:

After the earliest areas of the game, new and powerful enemies will show up during full Kagutsuchi
Enemy encounter sets have been enhanced
Enemy scripts have been enhanced
Boss scripts have been selectively altered, and their stats have been increased substantially
The HP of random encounter enemies scales up more over the course of the game
New maximum of 2 -Kaja stacks on the player and 2 -Kunda stacks on enemies
Trafuri is removed
Tetra/Makarakarn now only affect the caster
Estoma’s effectiveness is reduced (until you get Masakados)
Mitama stat bonus cap lowered from +100% to +25% of base stats

Here's just some of the changes, you can find the rest super easily by looking on google

As a persona fanboy for the longest time...
Yes.

It takes one to spot one, amirite user?

Nah Persona's better but Nocturne is really cool nonetheless

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Its true that the genre is overrated, but I mean, Nocturne isnt the best one therefore it cant be the best jrpg

Is this the megaten thread
TDE

>quality of life
>simplify the game

i thought a grind as anything that felt like work to get the reward

>Nah Persona's better
But that's wrong.

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Yes.

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If Nocturne would allow me to pick skills that my fusions inherited, I'd probably play it more often. But sitting in the Cathedral going back and doing the same fusion for an hour trying to get the right skill combination is aids.

What is your favorite Persona? Mine is Persona 4: Apocalypse, it has the best social links.

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At a certain point, I just use Cheat Engine. RNG inheritance can fucking die.

But I hate most of these guys, how can it be a persona game

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This is what keeps me from playing Nocturne desu

If you could handle it in most games, I'm sure you can in Nocturne
Fuck random inheritance anyway. Shit should never appear in another atlus game after P4G or SMTIV/IVA

Keisuke did nothing wrong.

Can you use emu savestates to avoid that?

It really is a pointless annoyance, but I doubt it's ever coming back anyway

not if you play it on ps2

No, that's an RNG issue.
You don't need to fuse to reroll inherited skills.

Don't mind me, just posting the best Atlus game ever made.

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Pic unrelated

>combat streamlined and simplified for brain dead retards
>best because muh japanese school life, muh waifus muthafucka

So the blue skills shown in the fusion are set, and the rng part comes from these skills being set in the first place? So you can't just fuse and load if you don't get the skills you want?

Can't you buy a demon and reload if the result skills are bad?

There's absolutely no need to fuse and reload, because they change every time you select both demons again.

Based as well as redpilled

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>Your opinion isn't mine
Nah I was right.

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He’s right. You’re not.

>not jack bros 2

Not really they all blow dick if you're over 20

Yes.
youtube.com/watch?v=wAaHDL3352c

>Your opinion isn't mine
Nah I was right.

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Posting Persona art doesn’t support your argument, dude.

...user this isn't even Nocturne it's SMT2
Neither is saying "he's right you're not"

Soejima's come a long way, but he needs to stop drawing everyone like sticks. I can excuse it in P5 since it has that Lupin style to it, but beyond that it ain't gonna work.

Then enlighten us user. How exactly is Persona better than SMT?

>Dragon Eye and Beast Eye
>Demons can't use items
>You're 2m away from the next save point ? That's a good time to get attacked by 6 enemies from behind
>"run" option that never works

Nocturne is awesome but I prefer Persona

Easily
Persona, all of them, is just an average VN
Nocturne is arguably the best JRPG of all time

>it's real
oh my god what were they thinking?
youtube.com/watch?v=4TeT1WwPR0U

>I don't need to say why it's worse, you just need to say why it's better
lol, you're the one who got triggered first. And you didn't even post Nocturne art correctly.

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>>Dragon Eye and Beast Eye
Aside from Mot, those don't really do much.

>>Demons can't use items
How is this an issue with press turns

>>You're 2m away from the next save point ? That's a good time to get attacked by 6 enemies from behind
>>"run" option that never works
That only happens on Hard, and yeah, it's just pure masochism to play Hard in this game.
Hardtype mod seems to be better but I have yet to try it.

Top 10 tier battle theme.
youtube.com/watch?v=XGeqbklvKLc

Probably my favorite in the franchise, along with:
youtube.com/watch?v=BKJo4uC9o_o

I wasn’t even that user, dumbass. Now, again, how exactly is Persona better than SMT?

user maybe it wasn't you (though I'm willing to bet it was) but he just said he preferred Persona and right here you insisted it's wrong. Common courtesy demands that you explain your position first since you directly challenged his opinion

Here

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>Uh i-it wasn't me!
I've been saying for multiple posts that it's my opinion user. Maybe you should learn to read better. Also good job not explaining whatsoever your point of view but continuing to demand others do so.

Not even that same user, dude.

Beautiful on an emulator.

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Then you're just an idiot who doesn't even properly read, I guess.

Maybe you should learn to read first, you dumb fuck, because I’m not even the guy who posted that SMT2 pic.

>Getting this upset
Suuuure you didn't post the SMT2 pic
Honestly I thought you didn't but now I believe you did.

how do I get it to look that nice?

Let one of your demons die then revive them with one hp, summon this demon when he's about to do evil melody (count turns).

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>everyone who disagrees with me is just one guy!
Dumbass.

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When do I get a decent physical attack, I'm like at level 30 and I'm still stuck with fucking lunge and berserk
Just got to the prison

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>sleep journey

That's a nice STR build you got there. Would be a shame if something happened to it.

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Post the teacher sitting in the room with light coming down from the window, that one looks like a fucking painting, beautiful game.

Seconding this

When you beat ongyo-ki.

Yukari just can’t compare to Yuzu’s yoohoos.

I too require Sensei's legs

youtube.com/watch?v=awU3MY-XGgo
Check description for specs and configuration.

FUCK YOU ELEPHANT MAN

Lunge is good, if you use Focus with it (Kamudo magatama).

You mean make more complex? All those mechanics make you want to use more than the same 4 demons and just spam buffs and debuffs all day

Persona 5 got me into SMT, i've worked my way backwards through the series splintering off now and then.

Personally I really like 3, 5, SMTIV and pretty much the soundtracks for everything.

Bought a switch for SMT V a while ago and pre-ordered Strange Journey Redux on release.

People give Persona a bad rep because its become mainstream and brought some unwanted attention with it but without Persona a lot of people would never gone down the SMT rabbit hole.
My only worry is that SMT V turns out to be crap or sells badly or even gets canned and we only ever see Persona titles in the future since they sell the most, i much prefer having the best of both worlds.

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fuck I love Kaneko waifus.

Better than all Persona games with the possible exception of 5. I consider P5 and nocturne to be equal in quality.

Personally, I just dislike it whenever one side insists that one part of the franchise is better than the other for arbitrary reasons. Granted, I tend to prefer SMT more than Persona personally, but they’re generally good games. Just for different reasons.

>but without Persona a lot of people would never gone down the SMT rabbit hole
you say that like it's a bad thing, bandwagoner.

I second this.

>but without Persona a lot of people would never gone down the SMT rabbit hole
maybe iv:a would never have happened then

>simplified
You literally can't be more simple than 1 and 2. 3 is literally the only difficult Persona game

STR, DEX, or MAG?

Which game?

All of them, I guess.

To be fair, who can compete with her amazing yoohoos?

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Persona 3 is literally my favorite game of all time but get the fuck out of the thread this is about megaten I left persona threads long ago at least here we discuss things besides waifu fags

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You have shit taste. Nocturne is better than P5 will ever be.

Daisoujou was my best bud during my first playthrough. Used him literally the entire game. That HP/MP drain move was fucking amazing once his magic was high, and Makatora let me take all his amazing MP regen and pass on the savings to everyone else as well.

STR for older titles up to nocturne MAG for new titles DEX is decent but STR got fucked over in SMT4 glad they fixed it in apoc but still MAG is the way to go

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SMT threads are some of my favorites on Yea Forums.
>Law/Chaos/Neutral shitposting
>Smirk edits
>hoyposting
>demonfus
>actual discussion
>Pascal the dog is here

Why is DeSu so kino?

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Luck best stat dont @ me

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Perfectly balanced shit posting and discussion

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This one?

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Look up a guide on what magatama gives what. The hiding of skills is really retarded

>Lunge is good
wtf? Lunge is one of the worst skills in the game. Shit hit%, low damage, and single target with slight crit.

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LUCK GANG

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are there any games where Luck build is actually viable? doesn't have to be SMT.

>3 is literally the only difficult Persona game
Not wrong but only because of the way party control works. P3P is actually easier than 4 and 5.
Hell 3,4 and 5 have very challenging and demanding hard modes so I don't see why you think they're not difficult.

BASED

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Real life

You have shittier taste and are most likely a contrarian to boot, P5 is one of the best SMT games period.

I've heard this game is nothing, but casting buffs all the time. How is that fun?

No 3 is hard because the bosses aren't pushovers unlike the other games. It has nothing to do with uncontrollable party members.

>One born of human flesh…
>Man is now a race of some power.
>You, son of man, must face the power you hold.
>And you must face your destiny as well.
>Though your days be peaceful, the fated time draws near.
>I am your judgement.
>I sundered the tongue of your fathers and shattered their arrogant power.
>So long as the Lord does not live in you, all living beings hold darkness in their hearts.
>If you truly wish to be yourself, then rise and fight the darkness within…the demon inside. If you have the will to challenge your destiny of battle, son of man, state your name…
youtu.be/D45NWb388qw

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Because it is the mix of risk and reward since press turn is YHVH’s gift to earth

It's not even close to being one of the best MegaTen. It actually one of the worst pieces of shit ever made. P5babbies are fucking delusional to think it matches Nocturne.

Why did he start the thread with persona shit

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MAG isn't the best in Nocturne to Final. Yeah it's good but physical builds still have more damage output.

Dude, I don’t even like P5 that much, but it’s definitely not one of the worst games out there.

Nope, when you find the teacher in the room and she gives you the magatsuhi filled rock. In that construction site I think

>P5babbies
Oh it's you. Here's one last reply telling you to kill yourself, your autism adds nothing to these threads and neither does your presence in general IRL probably.

>No 3 is hard because the bosses aren't pushovers unlike the other games.
That was not my experience but I can agree to disagree.

It definitely is.

NEUTRAL

>that pic
No lie, I unironically would have loved that reveal, and for that game to take a sharp apocalyptic turn thereafter. Heck, now that I think about it, I'd love a Persona title that's subverted into the bitterness that is Shin Megami Tensei.

Nothing wrong with more people getting to enjoy SMT.

No one cares about your experience. You are literally a braindead retard if you think 4 and 5 have demanding hard modes or that 5 is good at all let alone matches Nocturne.

Persona 6 is gonna be the SMT of persona games

Considering all the gameplay improvements it introduced, it was worth it.

It’s really not, man. There’s way worse turn-based games out there.

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Better fall in love with this sequence, you'll be seeing it a lot.
youtube.com/watch?v=Xk9ECLzGCrA

Popularity is never good.

P5 is unironically a pretty bad game in general.
Persona switching alone entirely breaks combat and makes fights brainlet tier.

Stop responding to bait.

Shit quality but I found it.

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What's supposedly bad about this game?

I disagree.

b-but my flashy moves!!! I never played another MegaTen game but P5 is totally a good game!

Of course you do, you are one of the personafags that ruin SMT threads

i'm pretty sure that's the one where running drains your HP

>running costs hp
>weapons have random durability
>every time you defeat an enemy you have choose between money, experience, or health as your reward
It's absolute shit.

That's the one, even like this, it looks fucking fantastic. Kaneko's artstyle is godtier.

Feels like your samefagging for attention user and if you are 2 different people why the fuck are you still in this thread just go raid a discord

Holy shit what is wrong with this guy?
Imagine being so lonely that you attempt to rope in random people online in pointless exchanges of insults over which game is better.
You are so fucking pathetic, no way you even believe half the shit you spout. Just kill yourself already, it will never ever get better.

Blueblood Sword build in Demon's Souls

The first two are retarded but that last one is actually cool.

user who are you talking specifically to

>running drains your health
>you can’t manually choose which enemies to attack, taking the strategy out of your hands
>weapons have random durability
>when you defeat an enemy you have to choose between items, experience, and money, thus doubling the amount of grinding required
>extremely cliche plot and characters with horrible localization

Imagine being delusional enough to think people who know objective truth is samefagging.

In Fallout NV you can break the bank at casinos with enough luck and walk away with maybe 45,000 bottlecaps if you do them all.

Should be easy enough to figure out man just read the thread.

It could be but in this case it just makes grinding even worse. In something with more balance it could be interesting though.

The first two Fallout too, luck is no doubt the best kind of build

i am willing to admit i am wrong in that regard; and have to agree to that extent
however u are still mr gay

Why are you guys always fucking giving (you)s to the retard?

based

you have absolutely no brain if you think 5 is somehow worse than 4

This isn't leddit. (you)'s aren't upvotes.

That's the retard you're supposed to give no attention to m8. Not a person, do not bother.

Fallout 1 & 2

If I didn't have a brain I would pretend 5 is good and better than 4. Obviously I do have one.

Simplified compared to Nocturne, retard, you know, the contemporary mainline SMT title
SMT1 and 2 were equally simple straight forward turn based jrpgs, but where Nocturne advanced the mechanics, P3 was content to to just add a "push X to win" mechanic

Why is SMT5 taking so long anyway? They've got most of the models ready, that much is a certainty so what's taking so damn long?

yes
use buffs retard

DDS games.

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Nocturne didn't advance the mechanics. Are you dumb. It's actually casualized. No INT, VIT and MAG no longer affect physical and magical defensive, no armor or guns, no equipment at all, no 6 party members, no front or back row, no MAG management, etc I and II are just broken as fuck making them braindead. But in terms of mechanical depth they far outpace Nocturne. And P3 isn't press X to win at all anyway

>tfw you spent two (2) actual. literal hours to make a super Scathach only for it to end in a fusion accident and getting a Slime

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Sorry guys, I posted the wrong picture.

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Any mainline game is better than a Persona game.
Yo
They always say that the first Persona you played will be the best one, and I played 5 first and like 3 better but 2 is the best Persona game.

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>But in terms of mechanical depth they far outpace Nocturne.
Not that guy but from that list I think you've mistaken a shoddy and poorly balanced system for a complex one. You said it yourself that 1 and 2 are broken as fuck. What Nocturne did was trim the fat, nothing was dumbed down and the decision making process holds much more gravity in Nocturne than it does in 1 and 2.

Press turn is infinitely more mechanically deep than anything you listed, literally none of it added any depth to the combat, magic was absolutely worthless on MC even in 1 and 2, armor and guns didn't add anything, always upgrade when possible and that's all
And in the end those games play still exactly the same as every other old school jrpg

And exploit weakness > all out attacks is absolutely press x to win

Nice pic, never seen that one before.
Anyway clearly you value story above all else going by how you rank the persona games, am I right?

>exploit weakness > all out attacks is absolutely press x to win
But there are many situations where it's better to not use all out attacks at all. It's just another choice man. Unless you play on easy all out attacks will not automatically win all the fights for you.

I'm not sure how much truth there really is to that since my first one was Persona 3 and I outright think it's garbage. 4 and 5 are much better to play.

>many situations
No

Feel free to read "many" as "certain" instead if it helps you form a counter argument consisting of more than a syllable.

So what's your point, retard? That in 1% of situations you didn't literally win with all out attack? Amazing, you've certainly proven me wrong

p5 was shit even by low tier anime waifu bait save the world plot standards. p3 is literally one huge fucking monotonous dungeon tower with 300+ floors that look literally the same. p3 has the best story themes although they're not well represented in the cheap ps2 3D format. I had fun with p4, I won't lie. there's something about small towns with great evil underneath that made me fall in love with it instantly, just like with twin peaks many years ago. nocturne is full package jrpg with god tier ost, complex story themes and crazy fun battle system (especially boss battles which can be challenging). game is aesthetically beautiful though minimalistic which works perfectly in the context of the story. nocturne is essential title for any jrpg fan, persona games are not.

You can say that but I legitimately enjoying playing 2. The demon negotiations and velvet room is clunky and the encounter rate drives me insane sometimes but it's still enjoyable.
Like 2, the story and tone of 3 mostly got me through the game but my time with it was still fun. I also find 4 and 5 to be better games but I really don't care about the characters or story in 5.

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You tried.
An all out attack is as effective as a full round of exploiting weaknesses in press turn.
Also not the best thing to do in all cases before you move the goalposts to something like "all SMT is press x to win".

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It's not at all
Also, being pedantic's a great look in an argument, you're sure convince everyone

SMT has a more complex gameplay but a shitty story with shallow and simulated morality. The dialogues in SMTIV made me cringe in agony, especially during the YHVH fight.

Persona...also has a shitty story, but well, we all known neither the gameplay nor the overarching are the reasons people play Persona. It's just a fun school simulator that's just more interesting than the average visual novel. The gameplay is also satisfying enough.

There is a severe lack of hoys in this thread.

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Pedantic? What gave you that idea?
Look man I can see how someone who plays on normal and overlevels can have an opinion like yours but if you'd just try to clear one of these games on a higher difficulty and no grinding you'd see how wrong you are for yourself.

Nocturne:
>Almost no plot or story with a few throwaway characters.
>Random encounters out the ass.
>Dreary, samey corridor environments.
>Like 3 or 4 music tracks play over and over and sound like shit, especially the battle theme.
>Best example of "difficulty" is how many times the random number generator causes Mot to cast Beast Eye.
>Have to remove the frame limiter on your emulator to make it slightly playable.
>Said to be the best JRPG evar! by contrarian 40yo virgins on an anonymous chinese cartoon forum.
Persona:
>Rich main story and side stories with tons of unique characters.
>No forced random encounters to slog through.
>Varied environments with different themes.
>Great soundtrack.
>Challenging as long as you play on the correct difficulty and don't DSP grind.
>Universally acclaimed.

What the fuck was his problem?

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That's just weak man, at least try a little

fuck you

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Press turn is dumb down. If I nerfed nerve bullets and Zio, and it didn't play at a snails pace it would be better than Nocturne easily.

>Press turn is infinitely more mechanically deep
It's literally not. Getting a extra reward for a simple action such as hitting a weekness is the literal definition of casualization where in normal games you just get some bonus damage not a entire turn. Buffs and debuffs are far more broken especially with AGI ones at it allows you to completely neglect all incoming attacks and waste the enemies own turns. A boss fight in a standard turn based system has two turns total he can use and you will have to deal with it, in Nocturne he only will have zero when he gets void/drain/etc.
>magic was absolutely worthless
Only because you have a heroine who is the main magic user.
>armor and guns didn't add anything
They are literally magatama but not homogenized offering far more tools to use in battle.
>And in the end those games...
Standard turn based battles play a lot better than press turn, so yeah.
All you are saying is Nocturne is shit like P3 since exploit weakness ×8 is the same thing. AoA aren't even good in p3. You want the enemy to stay down always. Again Nocturne didn't advance anything, just play the classic games or Soul Hackers.
>magic and physical are both viable and balanced at all points of the game
>attacks for both types feel varied and unique with lots of different ranges, strengths and effects; compare to press turn games having fixed weak/medium/strong/severe attacks with single/all/random targets for each element
>almighty magic is actually useful and this is done without making enemies resist/immune to the normal elements
>shitload of status effects and they sometimes work on bosses
>having separate rounds for player and enemy makes it work better for normal encounters because you don't have the advantage 99% of the time and get massively screwed over when you don't
>fast as fuck

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>SMT has a more complex gameplay but a shitty story with shallow and simulated morality.
>with shallow and simulated morality.
Name a game with deep and unsimulated (what does this even mean) morality.
The alignments are not even about morality specifically, just ideology in general.

I know this is bait but
>Persona
>unique characters
>rich main story

I'm not even insulting you or anything and you still just recede completely in the most passive aggressive way possible.
Stop being a bitch and speak your mind instead.

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>Best example of "difficulty" is how many times the random number generator causes Mot to cast Beast Eye.
Obvious bait but this meme needs to stop. Mot has never killed anyone before, he's the definition of a joke

Just make a SMT thread.
Why are SMT tards so OBSSESSED with Persona?

Incredibly ironic

There’s been plenty, user. This is just one of them.

Nocturne is a shit Yea Forumsirgin-core game like morrowind, planescape, and deus ex. I played it for like 10 hours and it never got any better, it only got worse. Absolute dog shit game.

I'm fine with you continuing to act like a cranky housewife myself honestly but I don't see why that's all.
You must be a very sensitive person (bitch).

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It's good but overrated. Lots of flaws people simply slimmer over.

All of this wall of text is grievances that you have with the press turn system. You can't expect everyone else to share those as well.
What's more you treat seem to treat chances as absolutes and that's just dishonest.
You literally cannot neglect all incoming attacks unless you cheat your way through for example.
Don't base your argument on falsehoods.

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>surt is one-shotting me at the diet building
>level 51
Guess it's time to dive into the Kalpas

>All of this wall of text is grievances that you have with the press turn system
They are all flaws with the press turn system because it isn't really good. It's unironically became babbies first turn based system with how much Yea Forums overrates it.
>You can't expect everyone else to share those as well
Yea Forums has massive bias and unable to see flaws in games they subjectively like due to insecurity. Why does that matter?
>What's more you treat seem to treat chances as absolutes and that's just dishonest
Not at all, but okay.
>You literally cannot neglect all incoming attacks unless you cheat your way through for example.
Yeah you can, it's called fog breath and Sukukaja. You really doing to deny how OP AGI buffs are, in a game with really retarded AI?

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Use buffs retard

>Name a game with deep and unsimulated (what does this even mean) morality.

witcher 1

>he says when there’s been shit tons of SMT threads without Persona in the OP

Stop it already, user. He’s already dead.

A flaw is something that's unmistakably bad. Most people will let you know that they enjoy press turn for the risk/reward aspects that you seem to dislike.
What's more you seem to be coming at it from the angle of a perfectionist who knows all the enemies beforehand and is always aware of what to do in each situation which I would consider cheating.
I admit that AGI buffs in Nocturne are really good but still not to the extent that you do and that's just nocturne specifically, later games have made agility very hit or miss (no pun intended).
Not to mention that buffs usually become unsustainable in many late game fights.

yes

Literally not the issue memelord

Post more of Yuzu’s yoohoos.

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What the fuck was his problem?

P5 Autist and Yuzu whore poster back.
Nuke this thread. Fire those ICBMs

>A flaw is something that's unmistakably bad
And press turn has many flaws yes.
>Most people will let you know that they enjoy press turn for the risk/reward aspects that you seem to dislike
And remember that Yea Forums is filled with mentally disabled people. There is no risk/reward with press turn. Are you dumb? During normal encounters you have the advantage 99% when you go first and when you dont you just get screwed over.
>What's more you seem to be coming at it from the angle of a perfectionist who knows all the enemies beforehand
You know analyze exists right and for bosses it's pretty obvious to find out their weekness right? If he uses fire he's probably weak to ice and vice versa. In fact DDS was the only game to make fun of this with Heat.
>later games have made agility very hit or miss (no pun intended)
Only Final, which while good makes you need to play Apocalypse mode for the hit/evasion% plenty so AGI buffs turn from OP to instead really useful and good.
>Not to mention that buffs usually become unsustainable in many late game fights.
Only Final.

Literally use one character to debuff his rebuffs. As soon as it started and I saw his pussybone ass begin buffing I literally knew what to do. It literally took me one try.

ONE
MORE
GOD
REJECTED

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Yes it is. Surt is fucking easy. He's uses fire dumbfuck. Apply buffs/debuffs and a fire magatama. Easy af

I just finished it. What I ended up doing is using the drain Fire magatama and a million divine shots. My demons kept dying so I just went in solo.

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this dumb elephant looking ass gets tornadoed and mana drained in all of my runs lmfao

Based Yuzubro.

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There's just something about Yuzu that screams: "pin her down and lovingly fuck her tits"

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>There is no risk/reward with press turn. Are you dumb? During normal encounters you have the advantage 99% when you go first and when you dont you just get screwed over.
This sentence and most of your complaints are so fucking padded you are impossible to take seriously dude. Mentally disabled because we prefer the combat system that perfectly complements the fusion mechanic and its unpredictability in terms of the tools that you are left to work with? I think not.
I am convinced your autism flares up when you try to play these games and you plan everything ahead which in turn trivializes the game and sources all your problems with it.
Especially since you seem to have played many of the games that feature the system you're supposed to dislike so much.

In a Battle Royale, which mainline SMT protagonist would win?

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Indeed.

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>not black frost/frost ace
Hell even demonee-ho would fit better.

>What the fuck was his problem?
He was based and Chaospilled

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Is there an SMT playing guide/chart?
One of many series I need to actually get into

Here you go

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What's SMT about. All I know is demon combining

>This sentence and most of your complaints are so fucking padded you are impossible to take seriously dude.
It's fucking true. There's a reason back attacks are cancer and people complain about random battles in IV. Are you saying all of that is made up?
>Mentally disabled because we prefer the combat system that perfectly complements the fusion mechanic in terms of the tools that you are left to work with?
All games do that. Actually press turn games have it worse since like the provided example it trivializes them like the dumbed down combat system it is.
>am convinced your autism flares up when you try to play these games and you plan everything ahead which in turn trivializes the game and sources all your problems with it
Minmaxing isn't hard. It's too unbalanced and poor, that's the whole problem. Die to Matador because you didn't know he has force? Just equip a force magatama or a demon with it and now his first phase was made into a complete joke since his two turns were lost. It's not challenging, it's dumbed down.
>Especially since you seem to have played many of the games that feature the system you're supposed to dislike so much
Pointing out flaws doesn't mean you hate something. You are probably so used to being a fanboy but you can criticise something and still appreciate it

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Yes, but it's stupid since ut recommends you starting off with a spin-off game that misses a big part of the SMT core mechanics.
Play SMT IV.
It's a soft rethread of the first SMT1 and it is basically the perfect starting point for a newcommer.
Here is an older version of the chart.
It only misses the sequal to SMT IV called SMT IV:Apocalypse and the rerelease of SMT Strange Journey with new content called SMT Strange journey Redux.

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Thanks lads

Io and Yuzu are both built for giving Paizuris

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Agreed.

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DDS is actually a great starting point though. So idk what you're talking about. Yes it's missing fusion stuff but honestly fuck demon conversation. Fucking bipolar pieces of shit.

Imagine

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I fucking hate this yuzu poster faggot.

Demon convos are great, though.

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>someone wants to get into SMT the game that is all about building your own party of demons through negotiations and fusion
>Recommend a game that has none of that.
It's fucking dumb.
>honestly fuck demon conversation. Fucking bipolar pieces of shit.

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>he doesn't like Yuzu
cringe

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You literally posted a game that doesn't have demon conversations. DeSu is a good place to also get started. It's all about getting them used to the tone and feel of SMT games.

>Are you saying all of that is made up?
I'm saying that it's grossly exaggerated, because it absolutely is.
>like the provided example it trivializes them like the dumbed down combat system it is.
What example is that and how does this make any sense to you? Fusions are trivial now, really? Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds?
>Minmaxing isn't hard. It's too unbalanced and poor, that's the whole problem.
You realize you're sayng this while also claiming that SMT1 and 2 had a better combat system right? Bringing balance back into the question only serves to invalidate earlier points of yours.

I just can't appreciate the criticism itself when it doesn't even make sense half the time. I am just left with confusion as I go to bed. Goodnight.

I only used it as a reaction image.
But eventhen DeSu still makes more sense than DDS, because it atleast has demon fusion/party building and alignments.

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Probably off-topic, but I liked how alignments in DeSu didn’t suck.

>This size
Fine
>Full-on deformed tit-cows

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the objective and inherent feel SMT3 tries to achive is something else then persona, redundant question really.
Might aswell ask FFVI vs Super Mario World

How would you feel if Persona 6 took place in a military school either taking place in the alternate WW2 era or a high fantasy setting.

I’m game as long as we get Hitler with shades again.

>I'm saying that it's grossly exaggerated, because it absolutely is.
It isn't and not an argument. Back attacks are cancer and people have been complaining about random IV for years. Saying anything else is dishonest and literally lying.
>What example is that and how does this make any sense to you?
If the boss has, let's say four turns, you have to deal with it all those actions he can make. Voiding/dodging doesn't remove those turns outright. If the boss has four turns with press turn you can completely neglect it the first turn and watch the next turns disappear. It's simply a casual measurement to team building. You get even more rewarded for basic shit you already supposed to be doing.
>Fusions are trivial now, really? Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds?
With press turn yeah it basically is.
>You realize you're sayng this while also claiming that SMT1 and 2 had a better combat system right?
They have a better one in theory yes. That is a fact they are far more mechanically in-depth the problem is the low difficulty and being broken braindead. Saying that Nocturne advanced the mechanics is a lie when it simply degraded by removing lots of things or simplifying them.
>I just can't appreciate the criticism itself when it doesn't even make sense half the time
It all made sense. Sorry you are dumb. That's not my fault.

Honestly I agree.
I just wanna fuse demons, but these conversations just get in the way.

At least Soul Hackers and Persona 5 give an indication that things are going right.

Not him but
>Fusions are trivial with Press Turn is in
Do you not realize how fucking retarded that sounds?

I liked it too.
Instead of the usual law/chaos being a choice between getting fucked by either angels or demons with neutral only postponing it for x amount of time.
In DeSu it's just choice on how you want to use your newfound power.

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There's no need to. The point isn't that there are games better than SMT but just that it's laughable in the plot department. It reads like bad fanfiction.

Nah but it's better than later mainline SMT games like SMT IV or Strange Journey.

Negotiations are easy in IV since it just comply twice and refuse oncw and in SJ you just need to answer according to the demons alignment.
For example an angel asks "shit is fucked how are you gonna fix it?"
You get a choice between
>Pick a leader
>every man for himself
>discuss it with your fellow man
Obviously the angel is gonna like the "pick a leader" because it is the most lawful answer.

Highly unlikely that SMTV will flop when it's on a system that barely has any JRPG's, especially now that the general gaming public's eye is on them now. Something would have to go horribly fucking wrong.
The composer from IV + 3D demons + Fusion and press turn system is already enough to keep me satisfied. It's all on Doi, Kozuka, Yamai and their team to provide audio, graphics and a satisfying narrative/theme.

It literally is. Why do you think the Fiends are so broken in Nocturne or any demon in IV? You can make them invincible and watch boss chip away any turns they could get

All of the Press Turns in the world won’t be able to do jack shit if you don’t have the demons with the stats and moves to back it up. At that point, you’ll just have to rely on your MC to deal the most damage but you’ll probably be wasting away much of your reserves.

Raidou best spinoff.

I haven't played far in SJ yet but yeah I agree in SMT4 that it's easy.
But I'm playing SMT if now and I want to die.

>that pic
Kek

>All of the Press Turns in the world won’t be able to do jack shit if you don’t have the demons with the stats and moves to back it up.
You know you carry over fusion skills and sacrificial + mitamas right? What are you even trying to say with this? If the demon is invincible he can't be touched, the boss just wastes his turns trying to hit you only to be voided by one/two demons and lose all his remaining turns.

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Holy shit, my sides.

>Black Frost gets to be one of your group leaders
DeSu was fucking based

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youtu.be/OK5-EIzDtKo
Remember when this was a thing?

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>still no SMT V news
wake me up

And in P2 there's Hitler

for me they dont fill the same niche but they do complete each other

>meanwhile Persona gets multiple spin-offs with no end in sight
The White were right

I try not to.

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The definition of wasted potential.

Nice.

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>decide to do some fiend hunting
>kill riders, enter third kalpa
>SUDDENLY JUMPSCARES FEATURING DANTE FROM THE DEVIL MAY CRY SERIES

FUCKFUCKFUCK WHAT DO I DO

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Hitler in P2 actually has a reason at least since the plot was partially inspired by the Spear of Destiny.

How did we go from that to this?
youtu.be/0fS24IxelBA

The game literally tells you he's there

Please don’t remind me

Doesn't make it any less scary when he pops up on you fuck me

Its better than every final fantasy game

I honestly have to wonder how anyone was convinced that was a good way to show off the game when they probably knew it was going to be Persona x Awakening from the start.

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just PUNCH SHIT UP until divine shot thats what i always do.

>tfw 8 hours or so into Nocturne and can't be assed playing any more and haven't touched it in months
I just find it such a slog. I don't hate it but I just don't enjoy it either which sucks. What's IV like? I might give that a shot and see if I can get back into the series that way

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how far did you get? underpass of ginza?

Cute Yoohoo.

youtu.be/nLmsVBgZiak?t=50

STILL THE BEST DUB OF ALL TIME

I was up to Thor, I believe.

Not him.
But I don't think I've ever got further than the first Dante battle and I've tried to play this game on and off for at least 15 years.
I love every other SMT but I just can't get into Nocturne without getting bored by this point and I just stop playing.

Yoohoo is always cute

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IV is a bit weird as it's first few hours are pretty tough but after that it's easy since you can break it with ease.

Worth a try, maybe you'll appreciate Nocturne after playing IV.

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yeah, there is no such thing as a high iq turn based jrpg

Fusion accidents happens sometimes.
You just gotta take it in stride.

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Yuzu is never cute, Y*suda's art is shit.

That second Dante fight was piss. Three focused divine shots and he was gone.

Why did you censor his name? Afraid he’s gonna draw more titty monsters?

>Confront the villain in this game
>MC does pussy ass "we don't have to fight" shit, and then an earthquake conveniently happens and the villain falls off a broken piece of castle and dies. No final boss fight.

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I wanna play this via emulator. But it lags pretty bad. What are some good settings for a 4790K and a 970 with 16GB of Ram?

I kibda get what you mean, in nocturne you just play errand boy ans hop from dungeon to dungeon with minimal plot to keep you going.
SMT IV is better regarding since you have a pretty cool crew to keep you company and while a big part of the game is just fucking around in the land of the unclean ones you still have an overarching objective that gives you a reason to fuck around there.
Also the lore behind the land of the unclean ones is pretty cool.

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>not liking Yasuda
cringe

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Turn off the shadows

SMT IV is better regarding since you have a pretty cool crew to keep you company
When? All I got was Walter, Johnathan, and Isabeau following me around.

Imagine you are talking to someone who knows of Persona but not of SMT
They ask you, "What are the main differences between Persona and SMT?"
How do you respond?

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faggot

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Y*suda is shit, he makes Toriyama or Shinkiro's same face look like nothing. His designs are bland as fuck as his guys wear the blandest shit and the girls are given the most retarded outfits possible.

"Persona is more slice of life"
Just that

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instead of having one character with a bunch of personas that you fuse and the rest are normal party members, your whole party is personas that you fuse.
also it takes place in the post apocalypse

Instead of collecting waifus, you’ll be collecting demonfus instead.

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There isn't a difference anymore.

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I wanna mating press this monkey!

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The only thing shit here is your taste

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The cast of IV really aren't that great. They're nowhere near as bad as IV:A, they never approach that level of terrible, but it's obvious they wanted you to care about these characters and I just think it was done too poorly.

Walter and Johnathan aren't developed too much beside the basic "Walter is a bit brash while Johnathan is a bit more reserved". When they finally clash blades upon meeting Lilith it feels forced more then something that has been building up to this moment. I feel the problem was we didn't see enough conflict between the two up to that point. Hell, even once you travel to Blasted and Infernal Tokyo they become pretty buddy buddy again.

Isabeau is just the Persona influence seeping in. She's not as blatant but she's clearly meant to be a "waifu" the game wants you care about, furthering the neutral bias. The plot point about her liking manga starts interesting, as it reveals that to her that France is a "fictional kingdom" which helps with world building, but beyond that it just feels like a way to bait the game's audience into liking her. The fact the game treats her death with way more tension while Walter and Johnathan aren't given so much as a second thought further exemplifies this.

>What's your excuse anons?

She is stupid cunt.

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>She's not as blatant but she's clearly meant to be a "waifu" the game wants you care about,
She's supposed to be the heroine of the game.

I liked them, they weren't forced down my throat and I don't care too much for loads of character development.

if the world only needs beautiful things then you better burn that fucking outfit lmaoooo

As the heroine she doesn't do shit. The Heroine in SMTI led a resistance and saved your life before the nuke drops. Yuko in Nocturne provided some guidance and paved the way for Demi-fiend to be able to choose none of the reasons, thus allowing him to choose true freedom. Isabeau never really accomplishes anything of real plot significance herself.

>Has beaten her up, start to protect weaklings and weak demons.
Where is your god now?
youtube.com/watch?v=_3Xt7ULLQ2A
Bitch!

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This. Strong do what they want, genociding weaks is only wasting of the time. But that girl went full Hitler.

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Yasuda's style is way better and more appealing than the artwork of the schmuck they got for Dx2. I mean, look at these motherfuckers

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She went full nazi, and has been wronged.

>Isabeau is just the Persona influence seeping in. She's not as blatant but she's clearly meant to be a "waifu"
Remember when SMT1 had persona influence seeping in before persona was even a thing?

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Holy shit. The most left and right one. Hahahahahahahaha

Those are bad, but Yasuda is still worse honestly.

rightmost is good but the rest are pretty bad

That's not the SMT I Heroine, dummy.

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Okay, that doesn't change the fact she is supposed to be the heroine of the game.

Next you'll be saying there's a Koromaru-type character in SMT1 too

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Yes.

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definetly yes

The Heroine in SMTI is never made a real love interest though. In SMTIV there are scenes where Isabeau blushes, such as when she says she works best with him. This is furthered expanded on in IV:A, where the other girls tease her about it. In SMTI the heroine is only tied to the protagonist as she is the reincarnation of Eve, since the protagonist is Adam they are tied by fate. There's no confession or similar romance scenes with her. The "romance" between them really only exists due to the obvious "he's a guy and she's a girl so they probably want to fuck" implication that you have. Even if you were intended to see her as a love interest it is never a point of focus, unlike with Isabeau.

I want to clarify I like SMTIV, a lot of people seem to think I dislike the game when I complain about it, but that's not true.

Wait a second...

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Even worse it had a mascot character like teddy.
Those damn personafags ruining SMT before they were even a thing.

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That's just her dlc outfit

>such as when she says she works best with him.
That's from some shitty russian SMT IV and taimanin crossover edits you idiot.

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Jack Frost was never a main character you had to have on your party.

Stop trying to force comparisons where they don't exist.

LITERALLY shit taste.

Name a better vidya OST.

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>Taking risks and actually having a use for stat buffs in a jrpg for once isn't fun

You're dumb.

>Stop trying to force comparisons where they don't exist.

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>In SMTIV there are scenes where Isabeau blushes
Peak Persona right here. How will SMT ever recover?

Child C is the only true answer.

it isn't casting buffs all the time

Only the girls and main guy are considerably decent while being really generic. I know the artist does the art for Phoenix Wright which has great designs, so the quality of these are even more jarring.

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What risks? And buffs are useful in most games. Stop playing FF. Buffs are way too strong in SMT to the point of trivializing the game.

This.

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Imagine disliking this game's soundtrack. Imagine disliking the atmosphere. Imagine thinking this game is too hard to enjoy. Imagine being such a retarded nigger that you would even go as far as saying Persona 5 is better. I would smack a bitch in the face if they ever said that to my face.

P5 has a better OST, to be fair.

This. People like that need to being fucking rounded up and shot.

In what realm?

Fumi is great.

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Kill yourself P5babby. It's complete shit

In the realm where this exists.
youtube.com/watch?v=MYjSXBoqSIQ

at least it still plays really good

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It really doesn’t
youtu.be/2vgTdyMPdsA

Good thing this is the game where you kill your friends
It’s not like you liked them anyways

Superior version coming through.
youtube.com/watch?v=yHrQitKjS3I

Sounds like shit

Wow can all the DeSu girls have such great figures?

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Superior version coming through.
youtube.com/watch?v=4epwPZvRJG4

user, THINK OF THE ADVISTISERS

They basically all look the same though.

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>playing Nocturne
>literally just using focus and basic attack for a quarter of the game since it takes forever to get a physical skill that doesn't suck
y-yeah hahaha fun

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I think in the new Persona games, the social links need to be reworked so you don't need to sound like a schitzo making choices so you get the most points. maybe get rid of the point system and add more dialogue trees so each rank can change differently (longer routes get better rewards, fanservice scenes)

Nocturne is a genuine contender for the best game of all time.

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I hope you like Lunge faggot

If Nocturne ever gets a remake they need to add things like different kind of physical attacks and make the skills not shit in the beginning

Have another Nocturne meme.
youtu.be/vjMk5PL2bjg

>remake
The game does not need a remake at all. It has aged far better than any other JRPG from the 6th gen. An HD remaster would more than suffice. The only substantial flaw with Nocturne are the terrible random teleporter dungeons.

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Every Persona S-link should function like Ai's from 4 did. Shit has 3 routes, multiple reverses, and a break. Mix in the confidant skills from P5, and have each branch of an S-link give different things to mix up playthroughs, and you could have something truly great

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>mot's EEEEE doesnt play when he opens the closet
Missed opportunity

Use a magic build then idiot. Literally the only reason people don't is because of Lucifer, one boss. A single boss shouldn't be a reason to not use magic.

Tell that to Atlus.
gamerevolution.com/news/423003-shin-megami-tensei-v-development-update-reveals-that-atlus-is-considering-a-nocturne-remake

>archangel designs in IV
what were they thinking

luck and agi don't do shit

>no [Pierced] when he shoves the remote up his ass
one job

It's really not. You are overlooking lots of its flaws

It doesn't need a remake but it would benefit from one. Could make press turn good if they tried.
>The only substantial flaw with Nocturne are the terrible random teleporter dungeons
Don't even lie. The game is highly more flawed than that.

What the FUCK were they thinking?

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Magic isn't very good in the lategame.

Everyone has been spouting the "dude angels are just weird monsters xddd" meme so now everyone thinks a human depiction of them is weird or something.

Angels have been depicted and described in both ways, the real problem with the archangels of IV is just that they're shit designs.

>put a fake Lucifer in SMT IV
>but cut the part of the story out where you learn it's a fake
Really, what were they thinking?

>The game is highly more flawed than that.

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Nocturne's only genuine problem is being too easy. There's some minor things like a few story aspects being retarded but the difficulty is the only serious issue. If hard mode was actually made to be what it should have been it would have been perfect.
And strength isn't very good in the early game.

I will never not be frothing out of my mouth upset.

youtu.be/E8QYlU0C9sE
I love Demifiend’s movesets. Hope we get something similar in SMTV

I really liked being able to learn special skills as well, it felt really great once you learned one. I wish the guns in Strange Journey had some unique skills but they seem to just be regular skills with new names. In IV and IV:A I got that the demon whisper system made that awkward but I still wish there were some optional way to learn unique skills.

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The pain never goes away.

When will they update this to include Toi8?

>Tripfag

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Yeah actually I do
>>can't transfer skills in fusions without constant re-rolling
>unlearned skills on magatama and demons are hidden requiring guides and pre-planning rather than learning as you go
>enemy AI is retarded, constantly attacking demons that null shit, and never programmed to dispel buffs and debuffs +2/-2
>physical skills are fucking garbage in the early and mostly mid-game, lunge for example is pure trash without a buff since the hit rate is like 40%
>AoE healing only affects the active party, not the full roster
>Demons in stock don't gain exp
>late game enemy encounters have no HP so you can just blast them away making the game even easier
>Magic skills are shit in the late-game and magic damage has a CAP. Even worse is magic doesn't work with Pierce anyway making anyone who goes TDE have a final boss take 10 years to kill since Lucifer has a hidden 2x res on everything
>tarukaja and Makakaja co-exist for no reason adding up skill slots for your demons and making you either go full STR or full Mag
>Agility stat doesn't function properly, yet agi buffs are beyond OP
>luck literally does nothing, stat doesn't work
>stats are almost all non-existent thanks to powerful STR magatama that gives VIT which means you only ever pump points into STR.
>VIT doesn't effect defense, only HP. MAG doesn't effect magical defense, only damage. Why?
>INT was removed because ???????
>can't swap out demons without a skill, doesn't even make sense in context of the game
>very little in the ways of customization or builds, do the same thing every fight just battle loops over and over which get very boring as you fight the same couple of enemies due to the low roster of demons
>lots of fusion options yet it all feels very restrictive sacrificial is really only useful during the lategame and NG+ due to no level cap, in addition to the low exp gain you get in the game and worse of all it resets your fusion rolls, adding even MORE re-rolling
1/2

>lots of osses are brainless gimmick shit or piss easy slugfests, Matador and Dante is probably the only hard bosses in the game due to no access to the stronger buffs in the game at that point
>hard mode is terrible. all it does is increase shop prices by 3x, enemy damage 2x, and 3x poison/trap effects literally that's all it does
>shock and freeze last until turn ends and not until something hits
>back attacks are pure cancer
>moon bonus crits are the worse idea in the world. the moment you get it unless they block physical you are given free turns
>besides the Mara fight, bright/dark might, special chests, and dark pledge; Kagutsuchi moon phases are barely worth noticing. they could have added a system where full Kagutsuchi phases added special ecounters. This would increase the tension while dungeon crawling and added some difficulty the game needs
>all of the dungeons with the trial and error teleport shit is a fucking chore to get through, you can't make any educated guess and need to succeed solely through luck which is tedious as fuck, terrible game game design
>fiends are beyond broken, you can get them very early and have busted resistances and skills (IE: Daisoujou)
>dante doesn't get pierce, making him worthless in TDE fight and he's stuck on your party forever
>demon negotiation is pure rng through and through and many talk skills don't tell you what they do, leading to more rng

That's not Nocturnes only problem

>Matador and Dante is probably the only hard bosses in the game
*rings bell*

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His Meditation can miss so he's not that hard. Dante is stupid as fuck since if you get unlucky with rng he can span rebellion and you have no way to defend yourself but hope he stops using it

Nope
By that time you have fog breath so it doesnt matter

Cute bobo

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How could anyone hate her?

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Hell if I know.

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Me. She's not good character and a terrible neutral rep. She's the reason neutral is seen as fence sitting. Gore was supperior in every way.

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I liked her

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i wanna get into other shin megami tensei titles but have played anything but persona. how different are they actually?

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They’re more focused on apocalyptic scenarios and ideology compared to the slice of life elements in Persona. The best place to start in imo is SMT4 since it was made for newcomers in mind.

Is every SMT thread going to be filled with waifu posting? First the Yuzu fucker now this jackass with Isabeau. I thought SMT was free from this shit.

Why wasn't Alice in Nocturne?

>he says as if people don’t thirst over the demonfus as well
Where the fuck have you been?

That smarmy laugh he always does gets me every time

>I thought SMT was free from this shit.
Its the opossite user
SMT % of actual , unironic waifufags is big

>tfw no old man Daisoujou friend

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Enough waifufags. Post your demonfu instead before thread's conception.

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