Getting corpse camped? no worries just go to another layer...

I fucking expected they would kill it with wow tokens and xmog shop but holy shit they raped it with layers and sharding was second one.

layer free servers with traditional queue when?

>Guys the phase 1 is over, as planned we remove layering entirely
>Now let us introduce a new feature, DIMENSIONS, this made to avoid server lag on world boss, because lag is not fun right?

I'd rather you fucking kys

nice choices faggot

Every mechanic will be abused to the max. On private servers people die, release, and leave group to not get locked to Onyxia runs leaving only around 5 people. Then everyone else does another run, and adds any alts to do half a dozen Onyxia runs in a lockout.

The top autismos will abuse layering to get 12x the black lotus and Devilsaur leather than should be possible to get on a server, and ruin the economy for the rest of the game.

I have $150 a month budgeted for bots to spawn camp bosses. They'll be there 24 hours a day ready to make sure that my guild is the only one who ever gets any of them.

No stun trinkets for you :)

You asked for this and I'm exploiting it. Go ahead and report me in game my bots have never been banned in 13 years of playing the game. You will all realize that nobody liked classic for a reason.

>Phasing is out before world bosses are in

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>kill ragnaros
>no sulfuras drop
>switch layers until you find one

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>clear mc/ony/bwl
>change layer
>repeat
>whole raid geared out in under a week

Day 1

>change layers so rapidly you clip through naxxramas day 1 to get a might of menethil
jesus blizzard what are you thinking

i doubt raid timers will be tied to layers but its definitely going to fuck the economy up and stifle wpvp and emergent gameplay

I'm so happy anyone who thinks this layering shit is anything to be mad about won't be playing with the people who can read
Oh wait, you'll all be playing too and you won't give a flying fuck

I just want to know is AV going to last days still?

>friend tells me where a specific target is
>stand behind him and get invited to friend's layer
nothing personal kid..

Tell me more about what a cool guy you are, user.

>he actually thinks people are giving Activision/Blizzard money in 2019

This ain't reddiitt faggot. Take that shit elsewhere.

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not likely because we're getting the poz'd version of AV

It literally is though. Raid lockouts, world bosses, resources, auction houses and respec fees are all tied to their own layer.

What? Are you going to camp on 10 different servers with level ~40 hunters looking for the mob that drops tidal charm? Theres gonna be way more than 10 servers, and multiple layers on each server

Youre gonna have to spend more than $150 to camp tidal charm dude

>spend all your gold on the AH
>go to another layer where you still have all your gold
whoa

source

Blizzard hasn't said otherwise so it's basically confirmed. Classic is fucking DoA.

>get rank 14
>jump to another layer
>get rank 14 again

LMAO @ BLIZZKEKS

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>something completely broken that would ruin the game
>source is that they haven't specifically said this ISN'T the case

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The charm about MMO's especially older ones like EQ/DAoC/AC and others were the fact that things were limited. Boss spawns every few hours or say once a day. Everyone can't farm that boss only the dedicated no lifers or someone who gets lucky. It becomes an accomplishment when you have to camp or kill a boss for that rare drop multiple times.

This layering and sharding will literally rape vanilla.

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>according to the same company that has lied multiple times

This. They even lied Classic not having Cross-Realm BGs but hey look at they do!

What is wrong with cross realm BGs? Do you enjoy waiting hours for queue to pop up?

SERVER COMMUNITIES YOU FUCKING KEK

>WSG pops after 4 hours 30 minutes in queue
*sips* ahh back in my day it was all about community, kids these days just don't understand

Most you fags won't even be max level in the month layering is in place. It's really not worth worrying about

How many hours till the beta is up so we can see how dogshit it really is

Let's add LFR for cucks like you. It takes too long to find people why not just let the game do everything for you?

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Knowing the players gives an amazing sense of community, seeing the same guys in Wpvp or just out in the world that have been farming bgs 24/7 tells you that you are actually in an active and alive world, you know who to watchout for and their skills, I personally don't mind Xrealms BGs but I wanted them to honor the actual (or close to) vanilla timeline where it starts out with BGs only within your own server, also there's another issue, they didn't talk about battlegroups which would still be small enough to be able to recognize players from your server, instead we're getting a brawl of millions of people through all the servers that will be avaiable.

they unironically dont
the best part of the game is gone

>beta is supposedly randomly picked
>every single e-celeb streamer will get a key while regular folk resub for a chance at the lottery

>start on a med pop server
>dies down months later and can't get any queues at all
>someone calls you a casual because you want to do BG's
muh slippery slope

>2019
>Blizzard still cant make 15k cap servers
Back to Classic Vanilla Private Servers.

The absolute state of larping vanilla hardcore purists

natural life cycle of a server>unnatural life cycle of a server no matter the pop

established grudges of cross faction rivalry that started in stv or hillsbrad that actually feel organic for one

tell that to the chinese farmers who are just as happy about layers as the no life neckbeards who will make mad cash by exploiting this shit all the while youre gonna be layer hopping every time you log back into the game and never see the people you recently quested with again. its retail just with slower leveling speed. ENJOY

this

you can use wow tokens for your classic sub since retail and classic are the same sub. guess what that means

>going blacksmithing as a shammy to get hand of rag and recreate unbreakable's video

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10am pst probs

>wasting your gold leveling bsing as a shaman when you could pay someone to make it for you for cheaper

Are you implying all servers won't be dead in 3 months anyway?

you're going to be playing nu-classic with sharding, layers and dimensions so eat what your sold and shut the fuck up paypig

it's for roleplaying reasons

good luck affording the ingots

I'm with ya there
t.alchemist
thank god it's affordable while leveling though

Where did they actually say there would be no CRBGs? I don't even think they've mentioned it up till now. Or are you just talking out of your ass?

I don't want blizzard shitting up classic people making up bullshit certainly doesn't help.

they wont because of layersTM

Crossrealm bg's were in vanilla user and they are doing patch 1.12. They were always going to be in and they are better than the alternative which can be 2 hour WSG queues

This just solidified my decision to level a Hunter first since then rogue only once layers are removed

I'm in no rush to level and will just mine every vein I see. Yeah it's slow but I've wanted to do blacksmithing ever since it was such a huge time and money sink in runescape

I mean technically they could still give us full on sharding. They are giving us layers but if we have layers inside layers we are left with shards. This is what you guys are signing up for

>flying mounts killed wpvp!!!!!
>omg we need crbgs because que time
Filth. Go back to retail where you belong.

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queues on healthy pservers without cross realm bgs are like 10-20 mins ur just noob pulling shit out of ur ass

CRBG's were in vanilla you fucking sperg. You clearly never played.
Private servers were not exactly the same as vanilla

For one faction maybe but not the other. Clearly you didn't play early vanilla when WSG/AV actually came out.

Since when is is another server instance called a layer?

not originally
but yes they eventually added them which became another nail in the coffin

Classic is based on patch 1.12 when CRBG already existed in the game

literally added two weeks before TBC launched.

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>playing on servers with dogshit faction ratio
u played yourself

Layering is literally sharding, but they avoid calling it that, because too many people know by now what it is and dislike it.

they were 4-5 hours on my server in vanilla because the server was full of carebears. Nobody gives a shit how fast they were on your chinese insectoid server

is that why they're doing progressive content releases is it

You understand most big servers always end up like this. It's never close to even unless you're on a shitty low pop server or something

>be 15 year old high school student with a potato computer
>be excited to play wow
>some zoomer with 15 years hindsight can't understand why you didn't just investigate the faction ratio in anticipation of BG queues you'd never been exposed to before

queue times ironically became worse after china invasion because chinas heavily favor alliance

They are but everything including class balance is based on 1.12

Oh man are you in for a rude awakening with how faction balance normally plays out

WTF? I love sharding now! That sounds like an improvement over a waiting line

>its not sharding because the shard is bigger and you change only if you group or relog
please user, this is important differences

>2h queue at 6am means its a bad game

WoW... is like an onion
It stinks

Yes, because having instant respawn quest mobs camped by 100 players at the same time is so like real vanilla guyz!

holy shit you guys are retarded xD

i chuckled

is that why they are doing progressive loot tables as well

He's just shit posting to make people mad about layering look silly if they take his bait. Ignore him

>who needs to have memorable moments when playing a video game xD lel let's just let the game do everything for us

You are everything that went wrong with WoW. You enormous cancerous faggot.

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Um, honey...thats why we are waiting for the time machine to activate this summer and take us back when Wow was PERFECT and my life won't be empty anymore. I can't wait for my turn to come at the waiting line for a change to get the 3 percent weapon

t. doesnt know the good grinding spots to get ahead of the curve

Yup for loot. They aren't doing any normal patch by patch changes like changing from 8 debuff slots to 16 later on and instead starting on 16. They are also starting on the 1.12 version of AV which is nerfed compared to the original release

Why not make less servers if they are afraid they won't fill out the servers with enough people? Why all this bullshit?

I for one look forward to the true vanilla with 2 hour logon queues every night during peak time

Remember that they consider layering to be separate from sharding. Their old statements about sharding still apply. The first zones will probably be sharded, AND the world layered.
They've also refused to promise a limited timeframe for sharding, so even if they remove layering like they promised, they may still shard for stuff like AQ and such.

So what?How does any of this affect gameplay

nostbabs detected

I'm well aware that they're doing a frankenpatch
With this in mind, why are you so adamant that cross realm bgs is the play to make here?
Maybe cross realm bgs for servers that are really fucking dead would make sense who knows

Not for high pop balanced ratio healthy servers though, that's just bringing it down to low pop's dogshit level.

ewww that new UI is ugly as a sin

Because most high pop servers always end up with massive faction imbalances.

But we cant call it LFR

Lets call it raidbrowsing instead.

>Because most high pop servers always end up with massive faction imbalances.
big assumption to make
you aren't a prophet

I like getting sharted on by cute girls desu

Yes, Nost bad. Vanila is shit. Retail is where it is.

Well true i'm not a prophet the data is easily available online for how it has ended up in the past. Based on this I can make assumptions about how classic will end up

>1 month
lol classic will be dead after a month, so basically shards are in for the full lifespan of the game?

dishonorable kills in phase 2 will be the finishing blow to classic, killing off city raids completely

So how much damage does a dishonourable kill do to the end of week honor in vanilla anyway. Is it so bad that it discourages world pvp

because pre current tech servers were better, they could handle a lot more people, but as time flew so did the playerbase drop and there was no need for it so they switched to this legion type where everything is crossrealm and sharded. This creates the illusion of having an alive and big pop, while actually nearly every one is from a different realm.
This eliminates the community since nobody knows each other, so you can't have those "I remember this guy's name he was pretty good I want to play with him" and "This guy was a faggot don't play with him, or invite him" situations, which was the bread and butter of WoW, because gossips always happened and there were players who were marked, be it bad or a good thing.

smart thinking user
Want to come work for us in Irvine? You have to be a minority tho

>People enjoy Dazar'alor
>You can get heroic raid gear from trivial mythic keys
>Rep grind, AP grind, mat farm or bust
>WPvP still dead
>Arena's are the only rewarding PvP experience
Games dead and people just eat this shit up still.
>Classic is going to have sharding 2.0
>WPvP will still be lackluster
>Everyone already knows the ins and outs of Vanilla
MMO's are absolutely fucking dead. There is no sense of accomplishment or adventure to be had anymore. I can't wait until Yea Forums gets over this WoW nonsense. You'll never be 10 again, you will never make friends like you did when Vanilla was in its prime, you will just continue to throw money at Activision for the next CoD game.

>in the past
in the past wow had wall jumping and the internet was wild west
classic isn't going to have either of these things

it's hard to say if we'll see the majority of servers have slanting factions
there will of course be a few but that doesn't mean cross realm bgs should be the standard

>Is it so bad that it discourages world pvp

World PvP is discouraged by the existence of battle grounds.

So far on all the big pop private servers the faction imbalance was at WORST 60 to 40%, but generally it was closer to 55-45.

It's the small servers that usually suffer much more from it and it was the same in retail, from what I remember the only grave case of faction imbalance was Al'akir EU during wotlk that had like 90% horde to 10% ally and it was a full server.

Reminder bruders, transfreaks are in FULL FORCE.

They are panicking beyond belief, do NOT give up.

Home for us, rope for them. Never, EVER forget this.

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Theres no wpvp in Classic.

theres no pvp in classic at all unless you dig cross realm cuck bgs in which case you should consider playing other, better pvp match games

>almost guaranteed I wont get a key despite playing for over a decade straight
>anyone with a twitch channel that can attract a few hundred fewers will get a key
sigh

Are they doing to so the server wouldnt crash day 1 and start off on a bad note like always?

>Home
>Sharding/Layering

Immense faggot

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Provoke 10v10 wpvp by corpse camping/quest npc killing
>Instead of escalating the fight by banding together to try to turn the tables and be the ones corpse camping you, they just move to another layer
OR
>They try to escalate the fight, and get forced onto another layer because you can't have more than 2 raids in the same place oh well oopsie!

OH MAN THIS WAS BLIZZARDS ONE(1) CHANCE TO REDEEM THEMSELVES
SAD SO FUCKING SAD
F

You are up for a good time in blackrock or even nam

Pvp is at it's worst in vanilla anyway so why do you guts even care. The vanilla honor system is fucking horrible

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>C-CRGPBHADOPS NOOOOO!!! STOP IT!!!!
>C-COME PLAY XIV WIT-WITH MEEEE!!!!!
>I-I SWEEEEEAR MY SERVER DOESN'T HAVE TRANNIES!!!!
>STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!
>M-MUH LA-LAYEEERING!!! I-IT WON'T BE OUT!!1 B-BLIBLILBIBLBILBIBLIIIIZAAARD LIEEEES!!!
>P-PWEEEEASE JUST PLAY XIV WITH MEEEEE!!!!!!
You=Rope.
Me=Home.

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start streaming then you little crybabby

did you even read the OP?

Not only that, the PVE is some of the easiest ever created and half the classes literally have one button rotations. But only casuals play retail!

The game will die in 6 months, cuck.

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So you can donate and fawn over me? no thanks faggot

Are you having a stroke?

I don't understand how is LFG even an issue, especially for PvE?
This waiting for hours is a big fat lie. There is a huge ass overpopulation of warriors waiting for clearing content and healers aren't an issue either because 90% of them always have someone who plays with them as a healer. You can legit form a group within 2 minutes in popular zones and like in 10 in non popular ones. You don't even create a group since there is always one searching for DPS, especially ranged.

what's the most fun battle size in wpvp? 6v6? I know it never happens

>layer
Go back to your private server, Chinaman.

That's 6 times what retail usualyl lasts lol.

Once a week, during server maintenance, your gathered Honor Contribution Points are used to recalculate your "rating" or Ranking Points (RP). Your new rating is calculated as an average of your previous rating and your standing relative to the other players on your server during the previous week. Exact details of this calculation can be found in honor system. The Top 2000 players from each faction on each server can see their ratings at official site.

You're fucking shit, Getting those top 3 spots to finish off your ranking was hardcore and it was fun.

cope
cant wait for inevitable threads where you homecucks bawl your eyes out about how blizzard betrayed you

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>6 months of joy
>no joy
pick 1

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multiple raids worth of satchel charges going off all at once is peak vanilla wpvp

>babby mad he can't grief people as easily anymore

Stay mad, cuck.

Seething discord trannies, attempting breeding lmao

>Getting those top 3 spots to finish off your ranking was hardcore and it was fun.
>in reality it just promoted account sharing

t. falseflagging tranny

I know how it worked, I'm calling it a shit system precisely because it was a shit system.
It was hardcore based on the massive amount of time invested. It didn't show skill and you basically had to be a neet or it was impossible. Hence it's a fucking shit system. You had Grand Marshall players unable to break 1800 rating in the following expansion.

Sharding is one of the main reasons I hated WoW when I came back near the end of legion.

If you played retail you should know just how awful it is. You can't even put together city raids easily with sharting and have to dick around with groups to force everyone in the same shard after 30 minutes. And then the servers are so shit, probably because of all of the shards, that they can't even withstand having 2 or 3 full raid groups in the same area without the game nearly lagging out.

it's not so much about griefing as it is a natural server life cycle being perverted

there won't be any blackrock raiding right? I mean, your guild gets word about enemy going to mc you go there and stand around for 30 min and see no one

At this point even trannies are not as pathetic as you are for believing blizzard.

Sharding is why wow right now has just slightly more world content than xiv.

Honestly if you don't push m+ and mythic raiding don't even play wow retail. You can't even grief in wpvp and wow's world content has always been casual crap once you got gear.

t. M+ fanatic.

Only absolute bottom dwellers IRL enjoy PvP in persistent games. You take enjoyment from wasting a fellow players time? Then there's legit something wrong with you.

yeah i have no idea
you could theoretically just send scouts ahead and then hop layers if there's a threat

absolute joke

And you also had GM players get rank 1, your point?

It's a different kind of skillset by the way, it's not pure grinding either because you can't do it alone, premades will have to compete with each other or get down to deals, whoever has the most efficent way of farming honor gets to decide the people that get the R14, it's not too hard but it's not as simple as it looks either.

>all those UD rogues will cry on forums for being banned due to griefing low levels in redridge.
TOP KEK

B&R

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What the hell are layers? Does OP mean shard?

i expect people to rally help and fight back when I make them mad

What's a nice chill casual class that doesn't need tons of effort and friends to work? I was thinking hunter. Dont like casters honestly.

I do like tanking and Warriors but I'm not sure I'm into the hardcore aspects of their class.

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guess you never had fun in your whole life mr "videogames are serious business" huh

people will unsub like crazy if they do anything of the sort.

Players are supposed to BAND TOGETHER AND HELP EACH OTHER deal with threats from the opposite faction, not cry on the forums for mummy blizzard to ban the fun

It heavily promotes account sharing and as you said the people at the top basically just win trade to decide who gets it. I don't see how this promotes skill at all.

I agree griefing is for autists, but I think it's fun when people come to the defense of their lowbies and get some real PvP started, where both sides keep bringing in reinforcements.

layers are bigger shards (basically continents) but work the same otherwise, they also yhould change less often according to wow devs, but thats just talk for now and probably all subject to change

What's the difference between shards and layers?

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>city raids
The only people who care about shit lile this are the few turbonerds who have every raid on cooldown and don't have anything else to do in this contentless skeleton of a game. It's entirely meaningless.

I was pushing m+ hard until I quit. It was literally the only redeeming part of the game since it gave the feeling of real teamwork when the tank pulled 3 fucking rooms and the healer/dps had to do everything to make it easier on the tank whilst dealing good damage.

The only time I remember sharding helping me was when I farmed herbs for pots/flasks since it let multiple people hit the same node over shards over the course of a small time frame. That also meant I ran to nodes and hit them just to get nothing and for them to disappear.

thats how the playerbase changed
>Oh wow look at that orc warrior I'm going to attack him on site, before he will charge into me
>yeah dude fuck off leave me alone and let me do my quest

wrong

>It heavily promotes account sharing

Just like gladiator heavily promotes boosting and win trading?

Wasting somebodies time is serious, how do you have such severe mental disconnect? If a player has spent x time getting to a location or trying to complete an objective and your actions delay that person then you're wasting their time IRL, they achieved less that day because you have the mental acuity of a chimp and laugh when you see somebody else in pain.

I also like tanking but warrior is not a good idea if you're casual about this. Leveling will be slow and painful, though I'm sure you already know this. What people tend to forget is that warriors can't farm as efficiently as other classes, leading to less money and ability to explore other aspects of the game. You need a lot of gear to not be useless in pvp and even then, the gear you want has a lot of competition. Warriors will be a dime a dozen so gone is any notion of uniqueness of people remembering you.

Hunter is a good choice. You, your pet, your traps, your gun/bow, just chilling and exploring the world at your own pace. Excellent farming capability too. If you reach endgame and start reading hunters are one of the fastest classes at getting gear due to low competition.

then play on a pve server you fucking retarded chimpanzee

If you are paying someone to boost you that is another issue entirely. From a skill perspective arena is much harder to rank up in than the honor system. I'm sorry user but pvp in vanilla is not a skilled based activity. It's why the honor system become a secondary grind past vanilla and treated as a way to gear up like dungeons are for raids

you only change layer when grouping up with others or when you relog, according to wow devs, so it will be less annoying than sharding, also a layer is basically all of the continent you are on, not just one zone. its like slightly less annoying sharding while still keeping the basic principle behind it, reducing server load. its blizzards way to save money on servers because jews gonna jew. dont expect a bug free classic anyway so who knows what fuckery this newish layer tech will lead to, classic is basically beta testing layers for retail, as blizzard is trying to replace sharding from retail because of its unpopularity. enjoy beta testing layers for 15 dollars a month i guess. its all fucked up really.

>only absolute bottom dwellers enjoy competition in sports, you take away someone's first place by winning the contest and wasting their time since they won't get it if you win

okay now youre just trolling, nice bait, b+ for the effort user, keep up the good work

100% tranny faggot

>how many layers of Lupus hunting are you on

A sport is two or more people who've all consented to compete with one another. Do I need to explain the concept of consent to you?

Why not just let more players in one world?

NOOOOOOOOO MY MINMAXING

His point you seem to have missed is just because you can invest all the time in the world into something it doesn't mean you are good at it. Unless you want to argue that pvp shouldn't be a skill based activity and just be a side game to raids, however that is another argument completely

>somehow servers 15 years ago were able to handle people all being in "one" instance
>modern blizzservers can't and they need to use sharding to handle more than a handful of dozen people in an instance

/home/ favorite Horde race? strawpoll.me/17993934

As said, nu-wow is an instance based game with an irrelevant overworld minigame. If I got to it and pushed to 2k and sold carries I wouldn't even farm.

Yeah, that's fucked up.

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If you've ever seen a popular private server launch then you'd know it makes the game unplayable, furthermore they know those people will all leave after a month so there's no reason to implement a permanent solution to house them.

Server queues to get in would be 4+ hours, each quest objective would always be killed when you need it, competition for every node or item would be untenable and basic lag issues of having so many people loaded at once keep them from doing that.

Lmao get owned nostalgia shitters stay on your f2p private server hugboxes

As said, nu-wow is an instance based game with an irrelevant overworld minigame. If I got to it and pushed to 2k and sold carries I wouldn't even farm.

Classic was the same but had the decency of remembering it's overworld exists.

They've literally said the servers could handle the population with ease.
It's so it doesn't take people 15 hours to reach level 10

15 years ago MMOs were a niche minority of gamer, now everyone wants to follow streamers around, female camwhores will be idling in town trying to score points with nerds, every gaming news site will be blasting the release.

Those people won't stick around long-term but the numbers will be much higher than original WoW.

because servers which can handle more load cost more money user.

I played a nelf rogue on my rp server (fuck off I was 14) pre-xrealm bg's when you had to que at the entrances, so thats where all the pvp'ers would hang out at waiting on que's. I remember horde rogues would come into silverspring or w/e the fuck it was and hang out with us. I developed a fetish for troll woman rogues this way T.T

wait since when were raid lockouts tied to shards

Never played any iteration of WoW before. All the single-role classes seem a little boring to me but all the hybrid jobs are flagged as shit unless they're performing single roles like healer Paladin.

Are there any truly hybrid specs that I could play that wouldn't entirely exclude me from end-game? I mainly just want to support the group with buffs\debuffing the enemy but there doesn't seem to be a role for that.

Yeah user I am certain 0 Yea Forumstards will be playing classic

>mail gold to own alt
>hop to another layer where you still have your gold
>mail it
>repeat for infinite money

>I mainly just want to support the group with buffs\debuffing
paladin

So why not just have shards for the starter zones?

youtube.com/watch?v=7iHsjSHKT70

>when you just saw endgame and have no idea how sharding/layering works

Is there much exploration and lore stuff in classic? I've only played GW2 before and I love the exploration, if possible I just want to spend all my time traveling the world and noticing little lore things about different areas. Is there enough stuff like that? and if so what class\race is best purely from an exploration point of view.

Undead seem cool because they can go underwater for longer but for all I know there are 2 bodies of water in the game with fuck-all in them.

Oh, also can you add your own map markers? My favorite feature in games is when you can add a map marker, even give it a body of text and it'll save it forever until you decide to remove it.

>troll woman rogues
i hope you dont have a foot fetish as well user. that would be... very bad.

>kill boss
>roll on item
>lose
>go on other layer where you haven't rolled yet
>win the item

drood, paladin is a top healer nonstop caster class

dont laugh but i actually abused a gold duping exploit in vanilla that nearly got me banned. theres no telling what this new layer tech might fuck up, exploits are basically guaranteed to happen

original WoW had higher numbers than current xpack RELEASE, idiot

If you've never played wow you have literal years until you've explored it all
You're in for a fucking treat.

they want to save face and avoid having to do server transfers or server merges, layers are basically server merges that are pre-programmed

Wow has less players now than in retail classic days you absolute mongoloid.

>NO PERSISTENT WORLD
>NO PERSISTENT SUB

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This post right here is exact reason why I corpsecamp STV on my level 60. Eat shit and die fag.

Yeah, these massive changes can have so many unintended effects that it's absolutely disgusting that they'd do them.

Yes user, you're the picture of balanced mental health.

youre doing gods work user, bless

I got mythic raid gear from a 6 lmao

its not about mental stability
its about creating conflict and emergent gameplay

sandbox is a verb

kill yourself neurotypical scum, get the fuck off my autism web forum

>Honestly if you don't push m+ and mythic raiding don't even play wow retail.
You're right. Shame they make mythic raiding more tedious every expansion, and I'm not even talking about raid difficulty. I fucking hate titanforging, personal loot and grinding world quests so you can access new powers.

>getting corpse camped?
You can't
>quest npc dead? just go to another layer!
Can't do that either

The only way to switch layers is for a friend to invite you to his and considering anyone who plays with his friends is going to be on his layer anyway.

>Brokentooth/Lupos up in my layer 50g for invite!
See I wonder if general chat and the like is layerbound aswell.

They still should have gone with sharding though.

The sheer level of delusion wowbabs induce upon themselves is staggering. Especially after they've been raked up with ass with "You think you want it, but you don't ;)" they still happily eat any shit that hypocritical actiblizz asshole will push out.
While shilling this shit here.
For absolutely fucking free.
Just because they are locked so tight inside their own head that they refuse to acknowledge the reality.
That's some tulpa-level schizo shit right here my dudes.

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>The only way to switch layers is
simply ask in general chat for a player at your location and if you can't see anyone around then you know they're on another layer and join their group

>Blizzard servers cant even handle 40vs40 bg
youtube.com/watch?v=wDXtut0fDmI

DOA

Even Biodrones realized that the developers who made the games they liked no longer worked for Bioware and stopped supporting the company.
You Blizzdrones are a fucking embarrassment.

>DOA
Dead or Alive?

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Bye dudes gonna check for ore nodes on another layer

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as if there will be no addons to make hopping easy as fuck

y-you dont understand user, even after all he did to me i still l-love him and i can feel t-that dep inside h-he might s-still have feelings for m-me t-too

>[1. general] Hey is anybody standing exactly at the mailbox in crossroads?
>[1. general] Shut the fuck up retard
>[1. general] Where is Mankrik's wife????

Seems like a foolproof idea that will always work exactly as the way you want it to.

will 40 man premades BGs be allowed in Classic?

Based

maybe if you have nothing to offer

pretty sure every layer will have their own chat channels, youd have to do something like this in guild chat or use something like discord for that, i heard there might be an addon or app too

>not going to the layer where layering wasnt implemented into classic
never gonna make it

WHY WHY WHY WHY ARE BLIZZARD SO INCOMPETENT???

FUCK BLIZZARD

>[1. general] 5s for anyone who wants to invite me to his layer, standing at crossroads
>[1. general] guys 5s for anyone who wants to invite me to his layer
>[1. general] Shut the fuck up retard.

Tfw i knew it they would fuck it up so bad.

>get kicked from guild for ninjalooting majordomo's chest
>hop layers to before I got kicked
>still in the guild and raid, roll on the different set of drops with everyone else
No one will ever know :)

>not hopping layers until you finally roll 100

Ion said that layering will only exists for "a few weeks" or "a couple of weeks" and will definitely be turned off before anything "server wide" will happen, like world bosses.
Why the complaints?
Yes the start will be rigged, but only a tiny portion of players were on day 1 of the original vanilla anyway. And I'm pretty sure that they wholeheartedly agree that layering is way better than sitting in queues for 15 hours, or calling your family at home from work and asking them to log in for you and drag the mouse every 20 minutes.

If you want absolutely 0 layering shit, you can just join "a few weeks in" (Ion) and that's it.

Can I layer activision our of blizzard?

>Believing Blizzards lies.

>muh home threads
Lol kill yourselves vanillafags

Mb coz he said that they want to recreate authenthic expirience before that?
Or that classic would never have sharding?
Or that it would oly be starting zones?

Wake up

I want a launch where I see hundreds of people around me. I want queues. I want lines. I want blizzard to make netcode that actually works. Launch day will be more fun than any other day in the whole time playing it bar aq opening. Fuck blizzard, I hope a lunatic shoots up their offices.

Has anyone determined exactly how to switch shards?

I remember when they were hour long queues at the release of MoP, so we went into the Stormwind Vault, took our eq off and let the mobs hit us to avoid getting logged out.

>hop layers into the future where naxx is out and everyone has it on farm
>get full endgame bis gear and tier 3
>hop back into the past on august 27th exactly and afk on my epic mount outside of the starting zone then camp the shit out of redridge faggots while the second highest leveled player is maybe 20 at best
get shit on

Yeah, uninstall wizard

this fucking retarded logic is what fucking got us to the point of retail in the first place. christ, the dream is truly dead. there is no hope, the mmorpg genre doesn't exist anymore

this is pretty BASED

Then why are you faggots whining?

This but rfc

We will experience STV with layering, not Vanilla experience at all.

never played wow before

should I at least give classic a try

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Wtf bros how did blizz invent time travel before NASA

>lose the roll for sulfuras to a retlol
>run to the kitchen and commit harikiri with a bread knife in a fit of rage
>with my last ounce of strength drag myself to my pc and hop onto a fresh layer
>still alive
>eye of sulfuras is in my bags
>dick is 2 inches longer
>qt gf brings me a sandwich

shits gonna be cash guys

>cross server battlegrounds
And just like that, the hype is gone.

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>company repeatedly lies for years and years
>hurr durr don't accuse them of anything wait for them to lie again before you do

based absolute retard

Depends what mmos you've enjoyed before and why. WoW isn't for everyone.

Good argument
>Or that classic would never have sharding?
They said that it will have some form sharding in the start to prevent queues and whatnot, and it's a fucking reasonable thing to do
You legionbabies don't even know what queues are. You want to play the "authentic vanilla"? Well maybe you can log in tomorrow, but now you get to watch the queue screen. Repeat every time you want to log in.
>I want a launch where I see hundreds of people around me
You will
>I want queues
You will have
>I want lines
You will have
>I want blizzard to make netcode that actually works
They already have it, watch interviews before speaking
>Launch day will be more fun than any other day
99.999% of the players who so dearly wait for classic didn't play vanilla at the launch, what's the fuss about the launch day specifically?

They said that each layer will have about 3k players, that's like 600+ players per starter zone of each race (or even more than that in shared starting zones)
Go log in to Northdale and you'll have queues for "elites" in the starting zones even though there's just under 50 people there or so. Even with layering it might _barely_ be playable at all.
You're fucking delusional.
>we
>implying more than 10% of the players will get to level 30 in 2 weeks
Don't worry one layer will literally be enough for the amount of player that will reach those locations in 2 weeks. Don't overestimate how long it takes to level up your very first vanilla character. Which it is for 90% of the players.

you wish i was offering currency
favors>currency in vanilla, noob

will quivers still give ranged atk speed boost

I really doubt a lot of people are going to abuse layering in this way, it will probably mostly be the ones complaining about it abusing it to make it seem like a bigger issue.

I need help.
I want a Paladin but I also want my old main(UD Warlock)
Should I either:
A)Speed level my Warlock and have a nice comfy level experience with Paladin
or
B)Try and Speed level my Paladin first and on downtime level my warlock

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never really played one. didn't have internet as a kid, and always played console games instead.

I think I'll give it a try, can't hurt, right?

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during phase 2

Not to wands

>sulfuras to a retlol
HoR is a Ret weapon, warriors and shaman who think otherwise are fucking retards who don't know how to play their class or know any class mechanics.

Proof that the only real way to experience Classic is private servers. Don't give Blizzard your money for a subpar "classic" experience.

>we will merge dead layers (shards) but not dead servers!
idiot

Foot fetish fags can burn, but I love me some tall cutie troll rogues :)

>not hopping to the world war 2 layer and telling hitler how fucking stupid it is to invade Russia in the winter

BITES ZA DUSTO

but they will already be established servers by then?
I mean untainted organic servers without layer fuckery destroying the roots of the server

Blizzard is actively sabotaging classic. This is because they don’t want to admit classic is better.
By doing this they can say “see guys we told you our game was so much better” when it fails. Despite it failing because of the changes they implemented that nobody asked for.

>what's the fuss about the launch day specifically?
Is this nigga serious

Did you just say speed level a Paladin ? What fucking crack are you smoking.

It's time to wake up.
youtube.com/watch?v=wDXtut0fDmI

Blizzard wants to rape Classic.

This. Look at the changes they're making to Warcraft reforged

>tfw your alternate layer self phases in to save yourself fron being corpse camped

>favors>currency in vanilla
literally what

level as fast as I can. you know what I mean.

you get what you give, zoomer

>layering
>no server queue
>people all join the same populated server
>when layering ends server explode and your stuck on a 10k queue every night

>no layering
>people join medium / low sized server to avoir queues
>server population is way more balanced across the board

>kill a mob
>switch layers at hyper speed
>gain 100x exp off of one wolf at the same second and gain like 5 levels
who else /speedleveler/ here

The server has a functioning economy and everything revolves around the currency of that economy, you've been watching too many TV shows if you think otherwise

youtube.com/watch?v=HM40cK5tu7w

You can speed level any class, it's just a pre-set route that maximizes the XP per hour, a paladin will probably take 10 more hours than an hunter but you'll get there in 2 days and half if you know what you are doing, also I guess their prot spec is somewhat decent for AoE farming.

>for 15 years straight saying
>oh my dear vanilla back then it was all about the experience and not the destination ohhhh good years
>2019 classic launches
>complaining that their 1-60 speedrun will not be "authentic" because of temporary sharding
The true face of nostalgiababies reveals itself

>They already have it, watch interviews before speaking
So howcome they don't use it?

>layering and sharding will ruin the game!
They said they're taking it away before phase 2. It's also not even that big of an issue if you actually look into what classic's layering is compared to retail's sharding.
>b-but blizzard are liars!
Then why are you here?

Every thread now till august. Every post that isn't a frogposter shitposting will be called a shill. Classic threads were just getting good as well since retail shitters had near-enough given up.

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>Believing Blizzard lies
>Defending sharding and layering
Retailfag/10.

>Retail cuck still doesn't understand what MMO stands for

> - are you actually want to spanwcamp every mob in starting locations with gorillion other players?
> - YES THIS IS GOOD THING TRUE AUTHENTIC VANILLA EXPERIENCE BEGONE RETALSHILL BLIZZKEK ACTIVISIONDRONE ZOOMER NEWFAG LITERAL REDDIT

>muh layering everything is runied
>meanwhile pserver have dynamic respawn

kill yourself and wait how it turns out you perma cuck.

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They're only using sharding because their netcode can't handle the amount of people you get on private servers in one area. They're too lazy to fix it, typical of blizzard

>everything revolves around the currency of that economy
I pity you.

dead on arrival

Dynamic respawn is a clever solution, too clever for blizzard to think of

And there you are, right on cue

You still have to wait 3-5 min for a rare mob there is no dynamic respawn.

pservers has dynamic spawning because they over capped in to 15k while blizzard servers are 5k

Daily reminder.

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You do remember that dynamic respawn was implemented on retail ages before chinktalrius, chinklysium or chink's dale?

>You still have to wait 3-5 min for a rare mob there is no dynamic respawn.

Rare mobs have hours of respawn time, the guy that drops the tidal charm trinket has like a 48h respawn time, this was so that rare mobs are actually RARE, layers fuck it up completely.

>implying 15k on one server is a good thing

And who said it is? Vanilla was designed for 1k players.

its a great thing when you want to pug raids or premades, which is tough when you need 40 people

Elder Scrolls Online is bigger than World of Warcraft at the height of its popularity (across three platforms) deal with it faggot

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So is there anyone who was going to play, but is no longer going to because of layering? I get the feeling that the vast majority of people bitching about it, and blizzard in general, are still going to give them money come the end of summer.
Props to you if you do stick to your guns though.

Like it matters when 70% of the server doesn't speak english

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>selling lionheart helm pst!
>I dont have money but I can offer you favors if you like?
>fuck off faggot

I'm hoping there's still time to delay release and rewrite or rethink their approach to server architecture. If they rush out a layered shitheap I'm not playing though.

goal posts etc etc
we weren't talking about endgame noob (although favors can still get you A LOT of clout here)

It absolutely is and if you disagree you probably enjoy retail

i had some one do this bullshit
i was selling bloodvines and cheap already but some faggot night elf tried to erp with me to get it for free like ''i can give u blowjob or sex i can be ur gf'' etc.... I ignored him and he literally came with alt and started spamming /2 that how i tried rape and shit him.

Happened in Lighthope after some time ZG opened.

You consent to being ganked if you play on a PvP server and Honorable ranks are a direct result of that competition you fucking mongoloid.

>t. chinkbot

>462222222

>night elf
figures

did they say anything about open betas? I know i wont get a stream for this first part cause im not a faggot influencer streamer but I would like to try the beta sometime soon, I refuse to play chink servers

popularity fell pretty fucking fast. wonder why? it's a shit game m8

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4 million monthly active users and 20 million accounts in a buy2play game.

You're delusional or 5 years behind the times gramps

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As a City of Heroes fag, I just wanted to say that there's still hope. Don't let go. I got to come home, and soon you will get to go home too. We're all going home, bros. Have faith. Look forward to tomorrow and enjoy today. I'm happy for you guys. Wholly.

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>implying it's not a shit game

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This is really disappointing news. At least they've said it's not permanent. Hopefully I can enjoy the game still. I'd like to know any long term effects that this may have, however

>Blizzard hasn't said otherwise so it's basically confirmed

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>its not permanent
>Believing Blizzard lies

Stop moving goal posts you fucking faggot. The game isn't dead. Also it's a hell of a lot better than the game the OP is about.

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>getting this mad
game's dead and shit m8, deal with it faggot.

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:( yeah true wtf the old one was so charming

I chose my words so as to not take their words as fact. I have reason not to believe them, and so I'm cautiously waiting and trying to be hopeful

AAAAAAAAAAA I FUCKING HATE NUBLIZZARD HOW CAN THEIR TECHNOLOGY BE SHITTIER THAN 14 YEARS GO

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>streamers were invited to Blizzard HQ
>they will now defend layering because they know if they don't they won't get invited anymore to fancy meetings and won't get a beta key

Can't wait to see how they defend this shit.

>not even in beta
>already a shitfest
what a ride

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>Dude what if he just call sharding a different thing

This
Its not fair, shartlayering will ruin the game
Fuck blizzard for lying again and again they wont see my money

This. TipsOut is no more our guy. He was literally bought off by blizz.
Good thing we have new our guy youtube.com/watch?v=e-LCYpDG_NI

Unironically neck yourself

You are completely wrong user. It goes like this :

>Dude what if we removed all the good thing of sharding, made the downsides worst, apply it everywhere for 6 month, and call it layering

I`m gonna laugh my ass off when everyone's leaving after the first few weeks once the nostalgia wears off and reality kicks in. Vanilla was absolutely shit slow grindfest. Its also funny how naive people can be trying to relive a time thats already passed (and giving a greedy shareholder company even more money)

>4 million monthly active users and 20 million accounts in a buy2play game
Can you source me some of your numbers, user?

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>all the good thing of sharding
?????

Sharding won't do anything other than maybe help prevent corpse camping since you can log off and log back in in a different layer.

won't do shit to the economy or the faction fighting. why would it

can't wait for this to not happen so people can stop posting this cope every thread

look at this retailfetus..

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Incredibly based
We are going home and these XIV faggot cuck paid shills can shitpost as much as they want

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I don't understand how it would affect the economy or affect fighting the other faction

>switch name from sharding to layer
>suddenly Yea Forums loves it

never change

Just go back to BFA retailfetus.

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Layering is:

Server 1
Server 2
Server 3
all on top of each other

You switch between them

If everyone is switching between the same layers, why would it do anything at all. It's the same as having 3 different connected servers

timeline of events to come
>classic released
>does well for a month or two
>dies because it isn't the same (sharding abuse)
>spergs flood Yea Forums with "i told you so!" and "gamers don't know what they want!"
>a different and good game developer makes a good mmo, everyone plays that instead

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soon but it will be called boutique and it will be fine

Imagine being this young and naive.

this is literally a non-issue and won't affect your gameplay experienec in any shape or form
sorry fags but you're never gonna get old vanilla back

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>non-issue
refute any points made in OP or stfu

there's so much to do and explore from a lore perspective. I've always been into the lore but not rp and wow is perfect for that. shaman in particular have two fun, flavorful abilities for exploration: water walking and water breathing

the layers will be same size as vanilla realms were meaning there will be 3 at most depending on caps and there's also more competition for everything so it evens out

>Euro hours
>Yea Forums is retarded
different sites you mongoloids, strawpoll.com has been the same forever
strawpoll.me/

>can ninja loot like a total faggot and then escape to another timeline without any repercussion
layering stays

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tell that to the auction house prices and the people teleporting behind you from another layer knowing you're there

>auction house prises
more people selling stuff, more people buying stuff, evens out

once they all get merged back together (assuming its removed) you'll be playing with the people you ninja'd once again

>go to another layer
Except you can't just drop into a new layer you fucking mongoloid. Holy fuck do shitpposters have NO reading comprehension?

Sweet, the same size as vanilla realms, except you keep switching between them, completely ruining server community

>playing on a PvE server with no streamer faggots
>the first layer will never be full past week one

Implying you're going to get 40 men past the trillion undead rogues because every pvp faggot will roll one for WoTF

except everyone "keeps switching" so everyone mingles with everyone and in the end it's just a bigger and better community

You can by joining a group.

There exists servers for people like you user

oh look, it's another nonissue blown completely out of proportion by the classic wow community

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Yeah that worked so well for retail didn't it
>Just mingle bro, constantly and never anything more

so how is it different from cross realm server if multiple realms are connected?

>except you keep switching between them
so you're one of the faggots who is going to be hopping around trying to abuse it? or you just assume everyone else but you will?

>>a different and good game developer makes a good mmo, everyone plays that instead
Shadowbringers actually releases about a month and a half before Classic.

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Have sex

Despite what nostalgia fags want you to believe, having 1k players in each starting zone is not fun. Not that those numbers were realistic since servers was capped to like 2-3k back in vanilla but on Nostalrius it's like 10k max and impossible to do anything.

1. layering is consistent
2. retail is a solo game
3. no cross-servers
4. it will go away after month one or two

>does well for a month or two
>sharding is gone after a month
>dies because it isn't the same (sharding abuse)

????

but he said "good game developed makes a good mmo" user

>you can bet your bottom dollar they'll force it during world boss releases and aq gates as well. It's pretty fucking obvious that they're leaving the door open on purpose for further layering down the line despite what they may say

Ion stated that they will remove all layers after the first couple of weeks. Stop falseflagging you retailtard.

Nice goalpost moving you disgusting shill

>1. layering is consistent
source

FFtrannies finally have an argument other than "b-but nostalgia" so they're beating the fuck out of it

>retail is a solo game
And now classic will be too

I missed this, what's happening?
KMMO style channels?

imagine creating a character with your friend that you want to duo with and getting put in different layers
you cant even see them unless you are grouped

don't forget to join the official Yea Forums and /vg/ classic guild if you want to easily clear Naxx

discord.gg/V9PMuB
discord.gg/V9PMuB
discord.gg/V9PMuB

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Whatever you need to tell yourself to cope, m8. See you in July!

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fuck off

>literal freshcuck manlett tranny guild reboot
kys

layering will fuck with the game the absolute most in the first month stop saying this like its a good thing

haha what the fuck no, i'd rather drink diarrhea

Isn't this the same as channels in almost any korean mmorpg?

>the servers are going to be ruined!
>c-can anyone invite me to another layer please this rogue won't fuck off
>layering totally ruined the community!

yes and as someone who played maplestory 2 on launch i can comfortably tell you that shit is fucking garbage

Yes?

>farm black lotus and devilsaur leather for freein your personal layer
>stock pile it and sell it for twice as much when layering is turned off and completely fuck the economy

wont even change the game bro

the amount of blizzard bootlicking in this thread is rediculous
Yea Forums has truly become reddit now where we love corporations and they can do no wrong and we should be grateful for the opportunity, huh?

wow guess you don't want to clear Naxx and get carried lol

reminder that /vg/ faggots are not Yea Forums

more like the amount of people making shit up so they have excuses to get mad

Layering is a mistake. A smart player knows how to level even if literally every mob in the starting area is camped.

Instead of trying to kill Sarkoth, waking up peons etc, you just start running and get xp from exploring. When you are level 5 or so, you return to the area just outside the starting zone and start grinding level 5 mobs there. Most plebs are still in Valley of Trials trying to tag quest mobs. Then you can start playing normally because you are ahead everyone else. If you fall behind, instead of trying to complete quest, just find a low traffic area and grind mobs there. It's tedious, but still faster than fighting for limited spawns.

>Also if server population increase through phases 1
it won't. At least not compared to launch. It will look something like this:

Launch: 500%
2 weeks: 200%
2 months: 75%
6 months: 100%

And then it will hover around there indefinitely.

Lmao yeah just trust blizzard, they've never let us down before

>Classic will burry other MMOs!
>guaranteed success!
>we're going home bros!
>Blizzard moving the release as far from Shadowbringers as they can out of fear

Top kek, classicfags. Even Blizzard doesn't believe in this enterprise

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Classic is a good idea because it has its own identity.
Anyone with half a brain cell will play ShB instead of BfA

>playing with Yea Forums or /vg/ ever
yeah nah

It's telling, they normally release content against their competitors and not so long afterwards.

>>Blizzard moving the release as far from Shadowbringers as they can out of fear
True on that nu-blizz just rapes everything it touches.

we are aiming to finish in the server's top3 for Naxx again like we did on Lightbringer

join NOW!

fuck off tranny

No shit blizzard doesn't believe in it, that's why we want it so bad. Your shitposting is weak, learn your audience

>didn't get top 1 on a literal who private server
Amazing!

keep seething tranny

sometimes i wish i could kill shits like you very painfully and slowly.

Have sex

>farm devilsaur
>jump layers to world where Hitler won World War 2
>get off game to live life in Jew-free utopia
LEWL BLIZZKEKS EPIC FAILLLL

There is actual sharding bias user. There was no large initiative within the alliance to world pvp, they were suddenly handed the world.

WoW! Rude!

Reminder that these people dont give loot to people they deem "literal whos" aka people who dont e-whore in their gay thread. Avoid them and play with a real guild.
>"b-but we cleared some chink private server, we're pros!" even though most of them are literally zoomers on HRT

Still waiting on those sub numbers, retard. I know you're still posting.

I remember that stream where the guy raided with ironfoe and fell into the acid.

blizz stopped posting sub numbers after they went to 5mil

Can you not see enemy cast bars, or debuffs on enemies in classic? Can you do it with addons?

>Blizzard is Bethesda

>/vg/
If I want to play with redditors I could just go to reddit.

PSA: do not play with these people

Reminder that you can't say this on "classic" or you will get banned by nu-blizz.

Reminder that Activision even shills WoW on /pol/ now.

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>i-it wont ruin the experience bro

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>Why yes I am playing Alliance, how could you tell?

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imagine being such a sperg that you go to post your sperg thread without researching the topic you are sperging about for 2 seconds so you can sperg out with your fellow spergs

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I'm really glad to hear that, thanks. Hopefully when the time comes I can do dungeons without people rushing for completion. I might make an exploration based guild on launch if I can, assuming enough other people are new and are interested.

based UD rogue

what the fuck is this even trying to show? How would you "just" meet someone in a separate layer from you? Why would you want to introduce people you're not in a party with to people you "just" met?

holy fuck so many mentally ill avoid at all cost names on this list

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There isn't a single server that completely eliminated PvP. There will always be some area that you can't walk into safely because ??? reasons.

>Wipe out a layer out of rare mats
>Switch to layer2
>Sweep tge floor
>Go back to layer1 now that shit had respawned or move to layer3
Back in the day you could had 1 bot farming 24/7 a map, now you can have 1 bot per layer on a single server

>posts anime

>meet someone in shard 1
>go afk for 5 minutes and log out due to inactivity
>log back in
>now in shard 2

Aren't you all afraid of burning yourself out? I would think if you posted about WoW in daily threads for 3 months that when release finally hits you'd be sick of it.

Why is nearly every single Blizzdrone the biggest normalfag possible imagined?

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cow is on shard A
bonehead and waaagh boys are on layer B
cow invites humorous to group
calcium addict accepts and gets abducted into shard A

>thinking people will actually act like this in vanilla
it fucking baffles me that the average person looking forward to classic thinks interactions are going to be like this
>kings honor friend!
>good luck on your quests this evening!

>edge case that'll never happen and can easily be remedied by using your friends list

>literally the opposite of it actually shows

why are people who are mad about layering so fucking stupid?

>Summer 2019 bros!!!!!
>105 DAYS UNTIL WOW CLASSIC!!!

Poetry.

>going afk is an edge case
maybe for a no-life incel like you

Glory to the Sin'dorei!

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what did he mean by this?

i have been posting anime on this anime website for nearly 15 years, and no amount of you being upset about it will ever stop it.

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BALA'DASH, BALA'NORAY

That in in 105 days I can rip the data values from nublizz wow and finally finish the perfetct private server.

What the fuck are you on about m8? Who gives a bloody fuck about Bethesda you dumb fucking cunt? Fuck you and fuck your mother you stupid fucking arse wipe cockslobber

>going afk long enough to get inactivity kicked
>playing with someone for long enough that you want to introduce them to random people you just met, but not adding them to your friends list
yes, edge case

Being realistic, the only other alternatives are cross server sharding (no), 10+hour queues or having dozens of dead servers after a few weeks.
Megaservers with 10k+ pop were never going to happen and we all knew this well in advance.

>/inv zugzug
>/inv name

I forgot you're an incel loser who pees in jars, eats hotpockets that can be microwaved in 3 minutes, and is so anti-social you never want to create networks with people you play with (hurr what's a guild?)

you're an edge case in life, I suggest ending it

10+hour queues plz

Because they experienced it numerous time in numerous games like TERA, Archeage, (maybe Black Desert? didn't play that one) and many others and they know the implications.
>lol that is shitty asian mmo, WoW is nothing like that
Go kill yourself, the effect on gameplay is exactly the same regrdless.

>Why yes, I am playing Alliance. How could you tell?

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>Indie

>be discussing Blizzard game
>Bethesda randomly brought up by some idiot retard
I'm glad someone else said what I was thinking. Fuck idiots that post unrelated nonsense.

Stop posting about Bethesda

based

They said that layering would be gone after a few weeks

Just merge the servers as they lose activity.

they also said they wouldn't have it at all. Then they said it would only be in 1-10 zones for a couple weeks.
Now it is going until phase 1, but if server populations stay consistently high then its probably going to be indefinite, but retards will trust what they say regardless

>the effect on gameplay is exactly the same regrdless.
the "effect on gameplay" is easily circumvented by not getting AFK kicked and using your friends list

>no response except spamming memes
thanks for conceding

>Blizzdrones are excited to play a game they played years ago all over again
modern gamers huh

at the very least it is a few weeks of hell ruining the launch completely and forever tainting the servers' natural life cycle
at the most likely blizzard is full of shit and will bring it back when their servers shit the bed

>Just merge the servers
That's effectively what is happening, but without the loss of names and server identity which is one of the top things people are autistically screeching for.

>effectively what is happening
not at all considering you can switch between them

>if server populations stay consistently high
That's a pretty fucking big if. I HIGHLY doubt there will be any servers actually needing more than 1 layer after the tourist phase is over.

not easily enough to abuse to the degree people are shrieking about

b-b-ut surely i can farm ALL the resources in one chard then just hop over to another and take ALL of them in there too, right?
I mean, there's only me on the server right?

You better hope it doesn't happen, because if servers stay concurrent 6k+ ((blizzard)) will give you permanent sharding in classic instead of adding more servers.
Which is what im expecting, considering how we have been blatantly lied to twice

>realise it takes hundreds of fights to get that amount of good ones where RNJesus favors you
>realise that you literally cant fight certain classes
>realise that you won't get legendary items over classes that actually benefit from them

lol no it'll be extremely easy to abuse if chats are shared
even if chats aren't shared you'll be able to multibox or collaborate regardless

UNLESS blizzard dishes out bans liberally to people who abuse it which wont happen

will die within 2 months on twitch

>yfw with layering there are technically infinite instances of every player playing the game all at once
>yfw with so much as even one person logging onto classic wow, it will become the most populated game in history forever
>yfw blizz makes infinite money off of that one dude's sub within the first payment and become multiquintuplegoogolplexiwquadrillionares in an attosecond, but no computer can ever exist that can handle that amount of money thus causing blizz to actually make 0 dollars as all the world's bank systems fry and the economy gets permanently fucked beyond comprehension as everyone scrambles to recover physical money
Did blizz shoot themselves in the foot with this one bros?

>join my guild the first few days of vanilla release
>played with them all the way until the end of wrath
>best group of online buds I ever met
>mfw could've prevented me from meeting those cool guys and having the ultimate vanilla experience
layering is bad, don't drink the kool-aid saying it's okay.

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abuse in what way? avoiding petty pvp fights?
who actually cares?

You guys seem really deperate to make a big deal out of layering when its really not

stop smoking weed

only zoomers care about twitch, private servers prove that it doesnt matter

you're retarded. If you're the only person out of 1000 trying to farm resources, you're going to get them all anyway

Avoiding emergent pvp is actually pretty huge and detrimental to the overall experience, but if you didn't understand this in the first place chances are your a retail tranny who isnt even going to be playing vanilla

The irony of this all is that no matter how many idiotic decisions Actiblizz makes they were literally given a 150% tax refund so they can fail at literally everything and never die because they are singlehandedly being kept alive. We've gotten to the point in society where companies die only if the rich actually want them to die. Otherwise there is literally nothing that can stop them.

abusing chests, teleporting behind people, npc spawns, resource nodes, deescalating fights, not having the same chance as randomly seeing someone you saw from another layer later on

it's too dynamic and artificial

WHO GIVES A BLOODY FUCKING SHIT ABOUT BETHESDA FUCK OFF BETHESDATARDS WE'RE DISCUSSING BLIZZARD HERE YOU'RE MIXING UP YOUR B'S FUCK OFF YOU IDIOT RETARDS

>everyone is going to be playing by themselves at all times
lonely retard

THIS DESU CAN YOU DYSLEXIC RETARDS NOT EVEN FUCKING READ? THIS THREAD IS ABOUT BLIZZARD NOT BETHESDA

STOP TALKING ABOUT ELDER SCROLLS

Played vanilla since beta on a pve server because wow pvp is and has always been a garbage afterthought.
Keep seething though, i'm sure when the level 10s keep phasing out to avoid you ganking them for the 100th time you'll ragequit anyway.

>tfw it's only 5 AM in irvine so beta is still many many hours away

You get placed in a different server each time you log on. It ruins the community.

You didn't play vanilla, you are a nigger, and you need to neck yourself

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>neutered sanitized version of a game they played years ago on inferior hardware that can't even support original population

> being realistic
wrong website for that buddy

literally layering

>literally layering
if that was true you wouldn't be able to switch layers at all until the merge

>You get placed in a different server each time you log on
Says who? What if the server you're playing on only has one? Only the most popular streamer infested servers will even need layers to begin with and why the fuck would you play on those?

how do i avoid the economy getting fucked? retard

why dont they just put a traditional queue on it
what the fuck?

>sharding
>less people on the shard than on mangos private server
pottery

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Over 3k pop is too high and not representative of authentic vanilla. Private servers are retarded.

STOP DISCUSSING ELDER SCROLLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Shills in full meltdown mode. This fucking game will fail before it comes out ahahah

i want a crowded fucked up launch where you need to fight for quest mobs and items. thats the best because when you get to max level and see all those assholes that stole your tag/you stole from in westfall it creates a sense of solidarity

I love watching nostbabbies and private shitters seethe over how real classic isn't going to be like their dogshit funservers.

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You will still get that. You are way underestimating 3k pop.

as it stands private vanilla servers will be more like retail vanilla simply due to sharding

Wouldnt be surprising from blizzard

>i-i dont want to to be good. L-less players than on private server is fine.

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God you're fucking stupid.

this

confirmed never played vanilla

STOP POSTING ABOUT BETHESDA STOP POSTING ABOUT BETHESDA STOP POSTING ABOUT BETHESDA STOP POSTING ABOUT BETHESDA STOP POSTING ABOUT BETHESDA STOP POSTING ABOUT BETHESDA

are you guys retarded?

This. Vanilla is actually a fairly small world - only 40 zones. 3k people evenly distributed across those zones would be 75 per. That's a fair amount. Of course, and particularly a few months in, you'll start to have greater concentrations in the level 50 zones. STV in itself could have up to 500 at certain points.

you can't even articulate your thoughts, dummy.

>3k people evenly distributed across those zones would be 75 per
thats not how the game works

are you retarded? why the fuck are you posting about Bethesda in a Blizzard thread?

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Nice try WotLK+ baby. Anyone who played before the whatever-gate event know that feeling when they realist one zone is sharded into fucking 2 - pre-gate and post-gate. Its not vanilla, anyone who defends sharding started to play after this instancing bullshit, else they would realize how different it is.

Warlock is dps only but does sound like what you want. Curses on enemies that increase damage taken and your imp buffs the tank with extra hp. Summoning people and giving them healthstones that work as extra potions. You can also make soulstones that revive people.

this is an accurate portrayal of bethesda posters

>still not actually saying anything
dum dum

no shit you knuckledragging nigger ape, I was just making an example

>500 at certain points
new engine cannot support 500 players at the same time, it have to shard them

>bump cap
>not a single classic hat
shills btfo

t. bethesdashitters

>thread full of people that didn't play vanilla WoW

your example would never happen because you're never going to see evenly distributed population between zones at all times no matter the server architecture because the resource density is not evenly distributed

yes we all know this well done. I was obviously just illustrating what 3000 players would conceptually feel like

its the beginning of the end for those shills

What the FUCK are you blabbering on about you literal drooling retard?
Vanilla had significantly lower pop than your shit funservers. NOBODY ever complained that the population cap wasn't high enough.

i hope u werent envisioning deadwind pass having 75 players in it

I AM SO FUCKING SICK OF THESE GODDAMN BETHESDA POSTERS IN OUR THREADS FUCK OFF BACK TO /TESOG/ FAGGOTS FUCK OFF AND DIE

THIS IS A BLIZZARD THREAD NOT A BETHESDA THREAD DO YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNTS NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLIZZARD AND BETHESDA? THEY'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE IN SPELLING YOU ILLITERATE BUFFOONS

FUCK

when can we expect beta invites to roll out and what's your chances of getting in if you're not a faggot streamer? 0.00002%?

WHEN YOU STOP POSTING ABOUT BETHESDA IN OUR BLIZZARD THREAD I KNOW IT'S YOU DOING IT

are you autistic?

Today and zero, less than zero if you don't have an active sub.

>ARE YOU AUTISTIC
ASKS THE BETHESDA POSTER THAT INTENTIONALLY POSTS ABOUT BETHESDA IN BLIZZARD THREADS

no just having a little fun before the thread dies

reported

>not following the reply chain

>posting about Bethesda in a Blizzard thread
Fuck off and die retard