You've been studying, right Yea Forums?

That's the spirit, user!
You better keep that promise, though

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>learning dead language

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>Duolingo
Not gonna make it

>600+ days continuously

MY MIND IS ADAMANT

MY SPIRIT INDOMITABLE

でも、まだ日本語で小説を読んでやアニメを見るできない

Learning Japanese is fun, I just wish they were better about ebooks. How much effort can it be to send a word document to Amazon?

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>learned kana
>can't be bothered to learn kanji
it's a meme language spoken in only one country anyway

They simply don't want to/care to. (Also they'd try to fax it.)

Japan could probably boost its economic growth by 1% if they just gave all the thirsty weebs all over the world easy and affordable access to anime/manga. Call it Weebflix or something.

Instead they just go "nah, don't wanna" (and now the Koreans are starting to corner the market, just like with kpop, because let's be honest it's not like drawing manga takes skill)

Ah well. I guess it's par for the course. Japan doesn't care about the outside world.

I kind of want to learn Mandarin, despite the warning signs

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You just want someone to post the pasta, don't you?

If you have enough braincells to operate a VPN then you can get Japanese Netflix, which is unironically one of the best sources out there for anime as a learner, because everything is subtitled. Manga is still a fucking joke though, the nips seem to think that anyone who cares must be physically in Japan so they can just pay a few bucks to read through a few dozen tankobons at a manga cafe.

i remember seeing porn of dekinai chan before but i cant find it for the life of me

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Sounds like a great idea, be sure to let your future employers know you'd make a great on-the-ground asset in China. :^)

Yeah.

I even moved to Japan. It's pretty good when you know Japanese.

>learning a dead language
Big yikes from me famham
All the good shit is in English anyway

Why is there kanji? Why is Japanese ruined with kanji? You will neve kanji
Fuck Japanese and fuck china

She represents your inability to achieve goals. Every time you fail, she will materialize to remind you.

drawing yes
WHY THE FUCK IS KRITA SO AWKWARD COMPARED TO PHOTOSHOP
WHY IS IT SO HARD TO FIND CURSOR STABILIZERS
WHY

You'd better not be lying to me nigger I've been looking for porn of Dekinai-chan for so long

How long did it take you to make it?

t. burger

i specifically remember she was taking a dick while on her back and she had the same condescending look on her face as she always does

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Few years, if we're also talking production. I moved here two years in, that helped a lot.

You can be faster if you only focus on reading porn games.

Kanji is the easiest part of Japanese, it's basically cheating.

I've been playing PSO2. That's like studying.

FUCK OFF
THIS ISN'T KANJI
THIS ISN'T JAPANESE
I'M GONNA DO IT

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Finished my N3 deck a few weeks ago and have been revising every other day. Just finished today's reviews actually.

>waaah muh kanji
If Kanji bothers you so much just go and try playing some Japanese SNES, NES games and see how far you can go.

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Don’t need to. Already live in Japan.

Kanji isn't that bad. Just make sure you're learning production (English to Japanese) as well as recognition. That made my retention skyrocket and I was able to get through 600 kanji in a month and a bit. It also makes learning vocab so much easier since you already have an idea of the meaning from recognising the kanji.

I'm going to japan in 3 months and I still dont know anything that isn't tadaima
Fuck you dekinai-chan and fuck your kanji

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I can already read hiragana and katakana. I plan to finish the tree on Duolingo and then continue with Lingodeer, with supplementary material and manga in between.

Did you primarily use RTK to learn kanji?

マジで何遣ってんの?草
勝手な推定ならすまんだが...
勉強ばっかりしてるもんじゃねぇ、色んなものを読め
ゲームとか振り仮名で詰めたクソくだらんアマラノベとか、そんなもんでいいさ
もっと日々の経験を積めば積むほどそのうち語彙力が上がる
言語を使わずその言語を学ぶつもりだと...
阿呆か?

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As long as the font is legible, it should be fine.

That said, I don't think it's a good idea at all. You should probably start learning kanji as soon as you can. Or rather vocabulary, and kanji along with it.

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幼児マンコを舐めたい
悔しい
もうすぐ爆発する

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RTK is garbage, use Kodansha's.

Studying superior Hangeul? Yes, I have. Thanks for asking!

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how bullshit is pic related for getting okay fluency?
are core 2k/6k traps?

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>College studies getting in the way
>Starting a job this june thanks to nepotism
Kill me Denki-chan

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It's the worst part

RTK is far better than KKLC. KKLC tries to teach you too much shit which interferes with its intended purpose.

Don't Muslim out, bro.

That's exactly my point. People keep making mistake thinking it's kanji that's stopping them from progressing, when in fact, it's their inability to learn new vocabs due to laziness or whatever.

>危ない means 危

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I just grabbed the main kanji deck for anki from the /djt/ threads over on /int/. I think that's based on RTK, but I'm not 100% sure. I did edit the cards a bit myself after downloading it though by making the keywords the main focus. All the extra stuff like readings, usual meanings, example words, etc. is all further down the card for extra info.

When will Japan be colonised by mutts and they will change their letters to romanji?

超ウケる
もうやめてよ

イスラム教には強制結婚がいるでしょう
やばいぜ

Just say, "I can learn Japanese!" Three times in a mirror tonight.

BASED

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幼女との?

No, I should start though. I have some long term plans that should result in me moving there in 5-6 years, so I'm giving myself about a year to start it.

It's not too late prove her wrong user

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Fucking weeaboo.

>learning a real language to talk to people/advance your career
>not learning a dead language to talk to your waifu in your head

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たぶん
あんまり知らない

>duolingo
I tried it. Tested out of the entire thing right away. I was very surprised. What does that mean about my level? Am I actually better than N4 if I test out of all of Duolingo?

Here's an example of what my production cards look like. I'm presented with all the English at the top and have to draw out the kanji below - I do this manually on graph paper. Recognition cards show me the kanji and I just have to remember the English keyword.

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>romanji
ローマ字
It's roumaji you dolt. Characters from Roma.

In 10 minutes im gonna accompany my autistic brother to the autism center and wait for 3 hours until thats over, so im gonna study there.
Im using Imabi, why do I never read you guys talking about it? Its always Tae Kim or other resources, did this image lie to me?

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Why are you wasting your life to learn a language that enables your addiction for a hobby that ruined your life?

>coming to japan
>dont know any japanese

Stay home. We don't want you

Thanks I'm gonna follow this after work. See you on the other side!

Make me, nerd

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>a hobby that ruined your life
the hobby was my life. I've been doing this shit since I was 5. there is no life outside of vidya/animu

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Imabi is more for reference than study. Tae Kim is an idiot who thinks the grammatical subject is a myth.
Best sensei is Dolly

Duolingo's target level is N5, IIRC
they're adding more in the next update for up to N3

I’m ESL

Just Google it and skimmed on a few pages, it looks fine. Tae kim is the most optimal way to get to actual reading in a few weeks, that's all

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>there is no life outside of vidya/animu
This doesn't sound like a healthy and happy adult life.

Why aren't there any Dekinai-chan porn?

At least most of you faggots stay in Tokyo.

Literally playing a Japanese game right now that only has a shitty machine translation available. Glad to know I've learned enough to be able to do without.

Thanks for the advice, user

Got basics of england language this way back in the day, can confirm
>no english class in school
>only nazi language or baguette language
>got access to the internet for the first time on a shitty dualup
>all the good shit is in english
>bought a book about syntax and a dictionary
>half-assed speedrun of the book
>translate every word I see
>played world of warcraft and had to translate quests since there's no official translation or quest markers
>same shit with other videogames and movies

I'm going to Osaka to try and meet dumb girls.

I learned Japanese for eroge only, I don't think I'll ever even go to Japan.

Protip: Don't be the bottom guy.

Though desu I just ignore any reviews of Japanese-only games by Westerners.

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ロリっ娘と獣的の交尾やりたい
ロリ子宮の奥まで種付けたい
オナニーだけが足りないんだよ
爆発はしないんだけど
でもやっぱりロリっ娘のエロちっぱい吸いたい
超エロイ幼ピンク乳首弄りたい
超可愛エロいお腹撫でたい
生きるのってやっぱ辛い

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Yes, German and a bit of Russian, I already speak 3 other languages.
I actually study shit that's useful for my life instead of wasting my time.

>happy and healthy adult life
>work 8 hours
>sleep 8 hours
>get married have kids get divorced
>watch the sportball on tv after GoT
>eat shitty food
>die

wow I sure am glad I spent all the time making money for shekelsteinberg instead of with mai waifu

a "healthy and happy adult life" is working 40+ hours a week at a job you hate to come home and watch shit like game of thrones on Netflix all night and then go out drinking on the weekends with the same people you've been pretending to like for years.

been doing Nihongosharks anki deck for 3 months now and the thing that I have learned is what some kanji mean, but it doesnt show any kanji in compound so I dont really know any words just simple kanji and most of it just the english word for them, I feel that when I'm done with this decck i still wont know any real words in japanese

Visited recently. It was pretty good. Really cheap to stay in short-term if you go for Nishinari.

So when did you drop those awful flashcards and started to actually learn the language Yea Forums?

But I'm going to Osaka

Never done them.

Everyone makes kanji up to be the biggest hurdle. But really, it's just grinding out thousands and thousands of words to improve your vocab. Kanji is the easy part in hindsight.

I do both because I keep forgetting words I don't read often otherwise. I also keep forgetting basic shit because I'm kind of dumb.

a step away from できない, good job

So? What if you just like it?
People still learn Dutch even though it's dead in the water, enough of us exclusively speak English. Dutch will probably be the first Western European language to completely disappear.

You are supposed to work your ass off until you have enough money and connections to start your own business.
It's better than trying to be happy by surrounding yourself with anime and video games and not doing anything to improve your life.

tutaの描画は見ました

>Everyone learns the same way
Flashcards work for some people. Just like jumping right into reading and using a dictionary for words you don't know works for others. Then there's textbooks, classes, etc. There are plenty of ways to learn Japanese and what works for you doesn't necessarily work for everyone.

>tuta
futa

Osaka girls are way cooler than Tokyo girls. Have a lot more fire to them.

That's because Nihongoshark basically pirated a book, stripped it of all context, and made you do it backwards.
nirc.nanzan-u.ac.jp/en/files/2012/12/RK-1-6th-edition-sample.pdf
Read at least the introduction. Yes doing this won't teach you any words, but that doesn't make the information you learn any less useful.

Connections are EVERYTHING.
I'm a 32 year old guy who still lives with his parents and have almost no skills, but I overcharge local governments for shitty app games because I lucked into the right network.

You mean they fuck niggers like you?

Imagine unironically believing this.
A small business won't make your life any better, and modern connections are worth shit.
If you really want to fall for the meme at least invest instead, but never actually think of having your own business, it's not just millions you'll be investing into that stupid and super original barcade in the middle of nowhere.

I’m not black though, and I actually live in Tokyo. I’m just talking from exp.

You're a sap, Mr. Jap, you make a Yankee cranky
You're a sap, Mr. Jap, Uncle Sammy's gonna spanky
Wait and see before we're done
The A, B, C and D will sink your rising sun*
You're a sap, Mr. Jap, you don't know Uncle Sammy
When he fights for his rights, you'll take it on the lammy
For he'll wipe the Axis right off the map
You're a sap, sap sap, Mr. Jap

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i wanted to start learning katakana last weekend since i'm done with hiragana and i can't seem to get around to it

Not always. I've met prudish people in Osaka and (moreso) Kyoto, and really chill and fun people in Tokyo. The generalisations you read online don't always hold true.

>the generalizations you read online don't always hold true.

>majority of people ≠ all people
woah who knew

>A small business won't make your life any better, and modern connections are worth shit.
I guess it depends on where you live too, having friends in the government sector has definitely helped me to start off my own business pretty quickly and almost with no risk.

This image isn't how to learn Japanese, this is how to give up. Imagine trying to learn Spanish from scratch just from reading Don Quixote.

Just spend an hour or two with no distractions using these together
tofugu.com/japanese/learn-katakana/
realkana.com/katakana/
Godspeed user

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What is the "right Yea Forums"?

Just sit down for a few hours and do it.
Just do it, it won't even take you that long.

On further inspection, I see that it tells you to read half of VNcore. It might actually work.

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thanks, but i don't think i should really rush it
it took me about 2 weeks to learn hiragana because i wanted to make sure i can remember it all, and i intend to do the same with katakana

i find this image unnerving, i can feel her judgement

How do you make connections, anons? I'm almost done with university and I'm beginning to dread that I'll be jobless for the rest of my life
I really don't know where to look for advice on this since I didn't think about it until now

>Kana: spend a day or two
>go through the grammar guide WHILE reading

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if you're getting into business it might not be ideal

if you're planning to hook up with a chinese girl it gives you favorable odds

By building a large network you have a bigger chance of connecting with someone who has influence. LinkedIn works despite the meme status. Go to conventions and meetups, talk to people, carry a shitload of business cards, have an online presence, the whole shtick.
Make it easy to find you.

What was the final straw that made you finally start learning? For me it's pic related.

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>2 weeks for hiragana
You can literally learn both hiragana/katakana in a few hours if you use the links above. If memorization is a problem, just keep using realkana

The easiest way is finding your childhood friends from school, they already know who you are and will be happy to see you even if you didn't know each other very well back then.

i want to but since i'm a wagecuck i barely have any spare time for vidya, went with the anki meme and it was a disappointment
>tried core2k for vocab but after a month couldn't retain any kanji because i still saw them as drawings and not words
>tried nihongoshark deck to learn kanji but after a month ended up memorizing some kanji that i've never seen before in my weeb games instead of common ones so it felt like i was wasting time learning obscure stuff
halp me dekinai chan i want to nihongo dekiru aaa

Not gonna make it sorry man

spamming w is real fucking funny to me for some reason
rate my autism

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that's what i've been using though
the way i did it so far is i'd learn a set or 2 at a time and then for then for 2 days i'd go over what i learned to make sure it sits well in my head

よく言った
俺にはまだ希望がある

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How are you learning? Are you writing them down again and again?
Because there literally is no worse way to learn kana, or Japanese in general.

草

Pic related, hope I'm not going to get memed

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boredom, loneliness and crippling autism

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i'm using realkana like i said here but i do write them down when i first learn them, not over and over

>>the generalizations you read online don't always hold true.
Fuck off chink apologist.

だめよ。コンコルド効果だ 。勝利は唯一の出口です。

>言語を使わずその言語を学ぶつもりだと... 阿呆か?
はい、バカげたです、すでに時間を余りに投じましただから諦めません

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Learn a set then practice them and all the prior sets with realkana (just remember the images or make something up). You'd be surprised how fast you can learn them, seriously

This is coming from someone who used your exact method and eventually just lost motivation and gave up because of it

Too many of you motherfuckers are trying to learn too fast and as a result you'll constantly be making mistakes
>a few hours for kana
>jumping straight into reading よつばと! before you finish a grammar guide and before you start learning vocabulary
It's the opposite extreme of the overly-slow reddit method of wading through classroom textbooks. Kana shouldn't take a month to learn, but you can't learn them in a few hours either. You shouldn't go through genki, but you shouldn't ignore core2k either. You need to do shit at the right pace, not too fast or too slow.

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Well what's the recommended pace and order then?

>>言語を使わずその言語を学ぶつもりだと... 阿呆か?
>はい、バカげたです、すでに時間を余りに投じましただから諦めません
meant for

chinks are the exception though
fuck every single chink cockroach

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kanji isnt that hard. most basic kanjis are literally "games for 12yo tier" level

>Learn a set then practice them and all the prior sets with realkana
yes that's what i said i was doing

Digital lynching when?

TINAMEN SQUARE MASSACRE 1989

i've come to make an announcement
fuck core2k/6k and fuck you

Month 1
>Why the fuck is there do much kanji, when just using kana would be much easier?
Month 24
>Why is there so much kana, when just using kanji would be so much easier?
I think I did it.

The point of RTK is that you do things from basic to complex. Yes you won't see 朋 for a while, but you might as well learn it now. Yes you'll see 金 a lot, but it doesn't really make sense to learn it before you learn 𠆢, 王 and 丷. Once you're familiar with the method you can go through 50 kanji a day, why worry about spending five minutes on a character you won't need until later? Skipping all the kanji not in C6K would save you about two weeks at that rate, is that really something to worry about?

>take a week or two to learn the kana
>start reading Tae Kim and start doing Core2k at the same time
>read manga and play vidya when you've finished both

Then why did it take you 2 weeks to learn then? Your approach is fine, just cut out writing them and spend 2 afternoons instead of 2 weeks

Mostly depression and feeling of being useless. At least now I do something productive each day and it occupies me when otherwise I would have been exposed to my own pessimistic thoughts.

Okay, sounds good.

not soon enough

1911 1989 free tibet winnie the pooh june 4

because i learned a set or 2, then practiced them + everything else i learned for a day or 2, and it just added up to about 2 weeks i guess
i'm not really in a rush to learn it, it's more important for me to be able to remember it all than just be able to say i'm done with it, although i probably could speed it up a little

>even Katakana and Hiragana are derivatives of Chinese Kanji (Hanzi)
Sino-Japanese influence is unlimited.

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諦めろ
三次元には「ロリっ娘」っていう存在は居ない。
そしてその奇蹟を創り上げる人類は我々の帰幽を越え、遥か未来に在る。

>Yes you'll see 金 a lot, but it doesn't really make sense to learn it before you learn 𠆢, 王 and 丷
Exactly, and i'm looking for a deck that lets me learn from basic radicals to more advanced shit so i can make sense of the kanji.

I've played Youmaen again, I still don't understand most of the girls' convoluted backstories and shit, but as long as I can see their cunnys I'm happy.

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Just pirate/buy RTK and use kanji.koohii for your SRS and mnemonic inspiration.

good lord what a fucking mark

>because i still saw them as drawings and not words
For many of the basic Kanji, it may be useful to see them as drawings first in order to grasp the meaning. 木 means wood, add an extra stroke and you get 本, which means book. Think of a book as being the origin of stories, thus 本 also means originate. Think of Japan as the land of the rising sun, and with 日 meaning sun, 日本 means Japan.

No, I don't have any motivation

やっぱり爆発するのほうがいい、文字通りで

This post flicked a logic switch, thanks for that user.

わたくしは カニが だいすき です。
Is this correct?

>わたくし
嬢様か??wwww

>わたくし
can i fuck you and cum on your drill hair

か○って言えないでください。子供を考えて

>My car cost me the equivalent of 10 rice fields
That is a very interesting way to remember 車, meaning car. However there is an alternative to remember characters such as 車. Many Kanji radicals imply meaning from its appearance, rather than the actual meaning of the standalone character.
For example, 辻 is a Japanese-only Kanji meaning crossroads. 辶 is the radical for all things to do with roads, 十 means the number 10, which means that 辻 should imply something to do with multiple roads, but it doesn't. This is because 十 is used to visually describe the shape of the crossroad.
This means that another way to remember 車 would be to view it from above, 2 wheels connected to each other moving over a rice field (田), keeping in mind that 車 is also the general term for any vehicles.

Maybe he's using a text book from 100 years ago.

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wah shung shong ching dong cheeyyo neega wansha ni dong shong chong nang dong wa

Becuase you've only been using Photoshop and aren't used to things being done any other way.
I went through the same thing when going from Illustrator to Inkscape.

Keep on trucking, dethrone Adobe so that illustration software can actually advance.

While we're at it, could we talk about why chinks behave in Japan like fucking arabs in europe? Loud, rude, unable to fit in whatsoever

Chinks behave like that anywhere they go.

Are they? Never had a problem with them in France desu

>The exclusive language of the 3rd largests economy in the world
>a dead language
Let's be honest, we all know why you made this post.

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>could we talk about why chinks behave in Japan like fucking arabs in europe?
Most of the Chinese in Japan have assimilated. As far as reputation goes, Koreans have it way worse, whether or not they deserve it.

Depends on if they're from the mainland or not.

>he uses よ
>he uses 僕
>he uses ね
If you use any of these as a male consider suicide.

everyone ITT should consider suicide to be honest.

?

t. retard

He thinks using them makes you gay. He's retarded and probably a closet gay.

As an example, there are only 5 Chinese day schools in Japan, regardless of political affiliation, whereas there are 83 pro-North Korean schools in Japan alone, despite the fact that there are ~800,000 Koreans in Japan, only 100,000 than the amount of Chinese people in Japan. Meaning that the Chinese have assimilated far more easily than the Koreans have.

>only 100,000 than
only 100,000 more than*

t. effeminate fuckboy

t. insecure baby

That's fine, but I don't think mining vocab should be optional. It's not as important as reading, but it's important for making shit stick. Especially since the entirety of VN Core doesn't cover nearly enough kanji and this is only telling you to do half of it.

Can't hear you over all the gay sounds you're making.

I am sorry.
I've been stuck on the 3rd lesson of Genki for weeks now.

Aww the widdle baby can't stop crwying!

bro you fell for the genki meme

>studying a dying language instead of Chinese and Russian

>japs
>"3rd largests economy in the world" in current year

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Or you could just remember 車 as 車, you fucking RTK nerds.

what should I fall after then?

>bro just read and magically absorb it
This a guide to becoming a dekinai. You have to constantly actively study (that means going back to grammar guide and anki) even after you can understand most things. You will never make it if you follow this guide.

I myself don't use that method, because I am already a native speaker of Chinese. I am just trying to help those who can't remember it through sheer repetition. Work smarter, not harder is a good tactic when there's logic behind most Kanji.

>learning russian
What for? more dead than japanese

t. buttmad germcuck

They're still number 3

is there porn of her

>Not learning Mandarin so you get an actual useful language you can add to your portfolio while also being able to access 90% of the good quality stuff that gets translated in Chinese from Jap

>he doesn't know chinese
>he uses meme image macros to justify his own ignorance

How is a language spoken almost entirely by bugs somehow more useful retard? Stop making up excuses and learn Japanese.

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inb4 that screencap, you know the one

I don't like the Chinese tonal language, it sounds ugly as fuck.

Fuck off with your terrible attempt at falseflagging.

how the fuck is chinese useful? yall niggas are mental. no video games, no anime, nothing...

let me guess
you're gonna post that image huh

lmao
spoken like a true retard

That screencap has already been posted, it's just that the user you're replying to didn't see and is posting another shitty bait to try and get it posted.

>>he uses meme image macros to justify his own ignorance
people don't do this

Wu Chinese only has 2 tones, which is phonetically similar to Japanese's pitch accent system.

real anime ass niggas learn japanese tho

He's completely correct. What are you going to do with your Chinese ability? Go to China so you can get shredded up in an escalator?

>Learn Chinese when Hebrew exists
lmao @ urlife

ok retard

Study my balls you fivehead wench

Japs stole kanji from the Chinese

>o-ok retard

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Has anyone played DT2-2? How hard is it? So far, I’ve mostly read shounen and the only game I’ve played is pokemon ultra moon.

calm down, chang

No Chinese person believes this. Stop falseflagging nigger.

>When you've finished

Brainlet idea. Maybe wait for the first 500-1000 of Core2k, sure, but waiting until you finish 2k is a dumb idea as well. There's still plenty of words you won't know for shit by the end of it, so it's not like it's gonna be tons easier by then anyway. Only thing you're doing by waiting is delaying getting a decent grasp of grammar. Just use an OCR to help look up shit in manga when you start out, if you choose not to read something with furigana.

stutter posting accompanied by a self portrait
truly the epitome of Yea Forums cope tactics

Yeah but they didn't steal being bug people who have spent their entire history being dominated by foreign powers though.

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Some jewish nigger posts bait on a Japanese thread and you took it all.

>Dominated by foreign-powers

Can you at least try to be historically accurate?

>not exclusively using わし
disgusting

They did, Japan was culturally dominated by China for most of their history.

How much Chinese will you be able to read from learning Japanese kanji? I'm not particularly interested in Chinese but I think it's a cool idea that you'd be able to understand some written Chinese from learning Japanese.

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You're right drawing manga doesn't take skill but Korean webtoons and manhwa are the most bugmen shit I've ever read. Entirely driven by cliches, and written by people with very little common sense, and most jarringly, basic moral standards. You know that feeling when some character does something really wrong, and nobody really reacts to that or acknowledges it as wrong, and you slowly realize that the author himself doesn't realize there's a problem? This is why Korean stuff won't topple manga soon. Nips are at least halfway human.

No, I have lurked quietly and depressed.

>who have spent their entire history being dominated by foreign powers though.

I know you just want to shit on chinks but that's more like 30% of their history (i.e. during and after Yuen dynasty)

If Not Genki then what should I use to study?

Ik ben nederlands aan het leren, mijn neger.
日本語はも勉強してる.
It's easy picking up languages when you already know a few, Dutch is basically German and English's illegitimate retarded step-child. However Japanese has been particularly annoying. Decided to finally give wanikani a try and see if it helps, I already know about 800 kanji but I need more thoroughness.
TL;DR NEVER GIVE UP

You might be able to read some signs.

You would probably understand more Chinese as a Japanese speaker than vice versa, this is because Japanese grammar uses kana which is illegible to Chinese speakers, meaning that important elements such as context is missing when a Chinese speaker reads Japanese, but to a lesser extent vice versa.

>他看不懂中文

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Genki's pretty good. You're going to have to supplement it with anki and jisho and learn kanji at a far faster pace than it wants you to but it'll teach you the basics if you want a classroom-like experience.

Tae Kim's grammar guide is highly recommended.

Can someone tell me what are ''pleb traps'' like 2k core and 6k core?

Damn I want to kill chinaman so fucking bad.

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So is this the only example or has anyone else on 4channel learned Mandarin and regretted it?

what do the japs call the GBA? adobansu?
>アドバンスのrpgをあそぶ
>漢字がある
くやしい

I didn't had much time recently, but I'm back on track. Thanks

I make youtube videos with (others) translations for a Japanese only game and I'm tired of having to rely on flaky, primadonna translators. Also would be nice to branch out to other things that interest me.

Any other Japanese studies uni grads on Yea Forums?

Feels good to basically be at a native level, although I got memed into this life course by dekinaichan.

The only people who say this are am*ricans who can't speak any other languages and suck at everything they do.

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isnt it ironic most mainland nerds who should be your friends are hardcore weebs, and plenty of them learn japanese.

even if you learn mandarin you cant change them. they watch anime and play shitty pc games and very weeby mobile ones, and riches do japanese games

I know what "a" "no" looks like i also know what "gold" looks like. I think am progressing pretty well...

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>uni
>native level
I feel bad for people who finish a worthless course and think they know anything.

>want to learn either nip or russian
>want to learn very basic coding stuff just for vidya pet projects
>want to go back to drawing regularly
>want to finish my backlog
>when I return from work I absolutely obliterate my dick to random doujins and watch other people play vidya while shitposting here
I work a pretty hard in a manual labor job and I also have a "it's not worth doing if there's a chance I fail" mentality so I guess I'l stick to never trying again, at least my dreams will never be crushed I guess

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his falseflagging as a chink is obvious, too

>implying americans even know english

I want nothing to do Chinese media, be it original or translated. The less you try to get into bugmen's brain, the better.

Learning to code for "vidya pet projects" is absolutely not worth it. The level of skill you need to make even basic video games is so high it isn't worth obtaining unless you plan to get a job doing something like that.

damn, this nigga dumb

>it's not worth doing if there's a chance I fail
how can you fail at learning a skill?
you gain exp no matter what you do, there's literally no lose condition.
there's no win condition either, you just improve until you die

i'm scared to learn because there's so many different ways to but i'm worried of falling into one that's a trap and spending a lot of time on it only to make insufficient progress

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Studying is pointless.

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Tencent isn't paying you to defend PRC's virtue, go shill Epic.

damn, this nigga really dumb

ko-n-ni-chi-wa
Yes, a little bit.

You are making insufficient progress right now.

After the olympics.

There are no traps. Just don't listen to anyone trying to tell you that doing anki or reading something is a waste of time. As long as you are encountering new info, you can do it any way you want basically. Just don't do the same thing for so long you aren't learning something new.

Just finished book Minna No Nihongo I. Taking a break between the next one. Scored 10 points higher on the Jcat than last time. Not that it matters at such a low level. I really need to get my listening skills up, but I find it difficult to sit through.

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I keep collecting Japanese books and want to read that ZUN book I bought all those years ago.

i literally haven't touched anki after grinding core 2k/6k hard the first year and i got past n1 last december by just playing games
so long you're consuming anything in jap you're making progress

>scared
>because
>spending a lot of time on it only to make insufficient progress
do you realize that time you waste on surfing internet aimlessly is never going to come back
its wasted forever

Even if you make inefficient progress, it's better than making no progress at all.

I exchanged a year at Tokyo University and passed N1 fuck you.

>he actually thinks he's replying to a person of yellow skin

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The only trap would be to not watch/listen/read shit. Anki and grammar books aren't enough to learn japanese.

I think he's talking about taking a Japanese course at a Western University. He's still wrong as fuck though. Probably a NEET who thinks the only reason to learn Japanese is playing games/reading hentai.

I know this is primarily a Japanese learning thread but im also interested in learning Russian.

From other people online and from some colleagues i heard that i shouldn't focus on grammar and instead devote more attention to vocabulary. How true is this?

That happened to me when I first started kanji. Took a class. Imagine reading and writing in hiragana for a couple months then learning your first Kanji. Shit actually became legible.

All those people who say Japanese would be easier if it was just hiragana or romaji haven't had to read or write Japanese.

Depends how complicated grammar is for Russian, but if you think about it you probably need to learn like 10,000 or more words which will take much longer than learning basic grammar.

This is good advice.
Don't be scared, anxiety is the enemy of language learning. Just consume any materials you enjoy, games, manga, etc, and you'll progress. But unlike with languages which are written with the roman alphabet, Japanese requires some sit-down-and-study time too. Just don't waste more than 15 or 20mins on that a day (grammar, kanji, whatever it is) if you feel burnt out.
The best thing to do when you get comfortable with basic Japanese is to find a person you can practice with, for example a Japanese person who wants to improve their English. It's a win-win.

I started learning in January, since I always wanted to play Figu@Mate and I can't find translation.

This is true for literally EVERY language out there. Vocab >>> Grammar. Case in point:
Yesterday I go school
I went to school tomorrow
In the first case your grammar is shite but your vocab is correct, people will understand you went to school yesterday. In the second case you mistaking tomorrow for yesterday, despite perfect syntax, means that you have not been understood.

Good games to play for practice? I'm 3000 cards through the core 6k deck.

Russian is a highly synthetic language and if you're unfamiliar with word inflections (and of those there are many, there are six grammatical cases alone), your vocabulary is going to do you only some good. Trust me, I'm Bulgarian and more than half of Russian vocabulary is pretty easy to figure out. Parsing sentences is a bitch as I'm unfamiliar with how the cases work.

It's pretty basic stuff man, it's not like I'm aiming to be the next big deal, I just realized I like the way video games work more than the video games themselves. Painting also takes fuck loads of time to learn but you see a lot of old people picking it up just because it's fun

>how can you fail at learning a skill?
By not meeting your goals

>have been debating whether or not to commit to learning for the last 4 years and have made a few weak attempts to
>could probably be fluent by now if I had just committed the first time
>still can't be fucked dedicating the time to it even knowing this

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Japanese syntax scares me. It's probably the biggest difficulty spike in learning any language. Learning to be able to read words is relatively easy, but I struggle when it comes to learning how to arrange those into a sentence or disassemble into a comprehensible translation. I know 4 languages and it happens every fucking time.
Am I fucking aspergers?

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日本語のことが大嫌い

Separation of vocabulary and grammar as topics implies that you're just grinding out word decks/grammar points in Anki.
I hate telling people they're learning langauges wrong, but if you've learned 10,000 words and are largely unfamiliar with the grammar, you are learning this language wrong.

I forgot to add, this book is amazing for Russian. I only studied with it for about 6 months, but it's literally the perfect all in one course (which you should supplement with youtube vids and whatever else you like).

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The East Asian languages are amongst the hardest to learn, don't worry too much about it. Necessity breeds competence, if you force yourself to communicate with fellow Japanese speakers then you'll get the hang of it eventually.

Visual novels, a full fledged game is too hard until mastery level I think.

I wish.
>have to do my part time job
>have to do trainership for university
>have to do 3 exams in June to get a teaching licence

I want to kill myself.

Maybe I just don't understand what syntax is but word order in Japanese is just whatever as long as you have a verb at the end.

I mean there could be a trap that causes you to learn it wrong, forcing you to unlearn bad habits to progress further.

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Literally anything.
But I personally recommend SMTIV to begin with. It doesn't use baby language yet has furigana, which makes it a pretty good option.
I'd also recommend Utawarerumono since it's fully voiced, but it uses a lot of alternate/archaic kanji and a lot of obscure terms and ateji too, which might trip you over if you're not used to reading.

>By not meeting your goals
What "goals"? Isn't your goal is to learn the language?
That "short term goal" mindset is fucking retarded.

You need to practice output, try writing essays about something in Japanese and have it reviewed on lang 8

Visuals novels are usually much more difficult than vidya, but using a text-hooker to grind vocab is piss-easy if you pick an easy one, moege or nukige.

>amongst hardest to learn
>word order in Japanese is just whatever
activated my almonds

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The best way I can put it is with sports. I was in a swimming team and not being able to consistently improve my times after working hard for a certain amount of time was extremely mentally draining because I wasn't seeing my effort paying dividends. Maybe I'm just impatient but slow progress when learning/practicing absolutely kills my motivation.

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It's just whatever, but it's a specific kind of whatever that you have to get just right.

Yes from my understanding it isn't something that you sit down and study to learn, but just something you have to pick up from consuming people using proper word order, and even if you use the incorrect word order it is like using the wrong adjective order in English. People will still completely understand you, they'll just be able to tell you aren't a native speaker.

When you learn anything you progress quickly initially because there's so much to process, but when you reach an intermediate stage progress becomes much more difficult because you can now only improve by refining and perfecting the things you've learned.

This is where most people give up, don't be a statistic.

>Look it up on Jisho
>"Usually written using kana alone"
>In the incredibly rare instance it's not, you can just look it up and eventually memorize that way.

The trap is RTK. Now go download Anki + VNCore and read Tae Kim.

I'm thinking about picking up studying Jap for this exact reason. I dont want to pay for language courses or exams, since I'm only really interested in being able to read. Is self-learning viable or just a meme?

>French exams tomorrow

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>learning the language of the boom boom boys

that's retarded
it's not a sport or a competition unless you make it one yourself

>try to learn Japanese
>realize I don't even really like Japanese media and can't find anything to consume to learn

I just took Japanese 2 in College.
Though I didn't do too well (Got a C+) so I'm going to review all the material and buy the book for Japanese 3 and finish reviewing it by the end of august to be ready for my class.

call your teacher a pd

Yes. So I can watch ドラマ without subs.

Compare it to a craft instead of a sport. Like drawing or carving.

>tfw it's a kanji defense force episode

haha yes we don't write with spaces you see so its really confusing without kanji spending a huge portion of our education just memorizing thousands of symbols is a far superior option to just using spaces

Here is the secret to learning japanese

youtube.com/watch?v=fnUc_W3xE1w

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When it comes to syntax/grammar a big realization for me was more tightly associating the grammatical particles (は・が・を など) with whatever preceded them. So instead of seeing 「僕 が ゴール に ボール を 蹴った」, it's 「僕が ゴールに ボールを 蹴った」. That also helped me understand descriptive clauses better (eg 毎日練習してきた僕が云々 ) by being able to compartmentalize them.
>into a comprehensible translation
Don't translate. Just read and understand.

I just want to learn enough to be able to read 2ch.
Their memes will be the end of me

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How about we start recommending shit for each other?

Here's a good and wholesome manga for my fellow learners.

lhscan.net/read-u12-raw-chapter-1.html

And here's a happy and enjoyable VN for you as well: 放課後の不適格者

Completely viable, especially if you're only going to learn to read and listen without needing to write or speak.

Everything's a competition.

When I reach that point I start thinking about wherever or not it's worth investing time and effort just to be met with no real gains in life. Sports and academia already fucked me over this way so you can see where I'm coming from.

I mention giving up on drawing in the reply chain. The reasoning for that being the same

> use express vpn to watch AbemaTV
> it stopped working a week ago

Goddammit.

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>thinks it's about the spaces
>not about the absurd amount of homonyms that are differentiated by pitch accent but have no tangible difference in writing
literally just install yomichan
learn as you lurk

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Get filtered.

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I have one month and a week to study for a beginner Japanese exam, its impossible isnt it?

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Is it really a bad idea to focus on speaking while in early stages? I will unconsciously phrase things I'm reading because that helps me as oppose to just seeing them and not thinking about how they sound but I worry this will lead to bad habits/pronunciation

>first Japanese VN I want to read has words like 依代, 蛟 and 神籬
At least it was a great learning experience.

I bought one of these to skim through and memorize shit, very useful and durable for travel.
I play MSGO JP servers and try to read the chats, funny thing is some other users sent me messages cause my bio said I was learning Japanese and thanked me for being a good healer kek.
Online games in Japan have way nicer communities.

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I'm so glad I learned Japanese.

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If it helps its about basic grammar stuff and uses, 130 kanjis to learn or so and a small article

Can i make it somehow for a sufficient result?

Reading is a grammar and vocabulary exercise so is always a net positive. I think using your mouth while reading is a good thing. Don't be so worried about forming certain bad habits. You do that shit and you'll be like Matthew AJATT going to a foreign country and being too much of a pussy to talk to anyone. You can shave off a bad habit. It's hard to find refine something you don't even know yet though.

>I mention giving up on drawing in the reply chain.
>Everything's a competition.
Yeah, I know. Thats preciously why you're retarded. Thinking that you can somehow win or lose in a (((skill))) that anyone but disabled can do with enough effort put in.

I need to be more costant in studying Japanese so i can be as cool as Mary-san

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130 kanji is like what 4 per day if you have a month and a week? Should be easy.

Claiming anyone can draw is pretty retarded too. Only doing things well matters, if you're sub par at something you might as well not do it.

Just don't get your wallet stolen by some bastard when you go to Japan...

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>anyone but disabled
bruh........

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What's a good way to get better at listening? I know it's good to be active, but what does that mean?

You can learn 140 kanji in a week if you're not lazy and do 20 a day. That's a pretty average amount for a learner. I learn half that on a day I don't really feel like studying and twice that on average. And you said you have a whole month. You're never gonna make it if you don't put in any effort. Start reading to practice your grammar.

Self-learning pretty much anything is possible if you are motivated. What worked for me was playing a long series with a good story. That solved the motivation problem since I'm forced to learn in order to continue playing the games.

Listen to radio shows where they moriage it a lot so they talk really fast and you have to listen will to understand what they're constantly wwwwwww'ing at.

>if you're sub par at something you might as well not do it
pussy ass quitter

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Literally watch Just consume media that puts things into context. Visual and interactive stuff in particular is really good at this, and when in doubt just quickly look it up on jisho or your dictionary of choice.

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I like watching jp streamers and rewatching old anime w/o subs. But I'm a dumb dekinai so I dunno.

mary would NEVER smoke

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I should have been studying programming

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I've got nothing better to do, someone link me the material, I'll learn Japanese
If only to widen the amount of hentai available for me to read

i'm at the "start reading yotsuba" step. i learned my kana and a decent chunk of kanji. i can read the sounds of most sentences but i don't actually know any words so i'm essentially looking up everything. is that how its supposed to work or did i do something wrong

Thanks for the tips. I will.

Kanji is a pleb filter.

Am i the only autist that is """learning""" japanese just for how relaxing i find it? Give no fucks about anime/manga/vidya

I think japanese sounds beautiful because of how many vowels are in there.

I'm more interested in the culture and history. Shrines and shit like that. I'm learning mainly for that and a little bit of vidya.

anything that makes you "learn" kanjis like rtk, etc
shitty textbooks
anything that isn't direct contact to the language after a few months in

I can't test out of single one

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lol maybe if you want to sound like a nigger
i'll pass thanks

You are already memed.

That's how it works, yup. But you wasted a lot of time doing RTK. Pick up VNCore or Core 2K and start learning actual Japanese, if you haven't already. And don't feel like you need to stay with babyshit. After a while, only use that as a "I'm tired of slogging through hard stuff" easymode and try to read shit you actually care about. It's much more motivating, even if you have to look up more shit/struggle to fully understand it.

itazuraneko.neocities.org/#learn

Here's a recommendation for something to read: lhscan.net/read-undine-of-the-desert-world-raw-chapter-1.html

I've gone back over the first chapter and there's very few vocab in there that I'd consider unnecessary for a beginner. Also it has furigana, which will make looking it up ez pz.

Literally just read and hear some shits, how do you think childrens learn it?

>emporor
Literally unusable

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If you didn't do your reading today you're a BITCH

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This. People underestimate the benefits of production.
Writing also helps

>learned kana 8 years ago
>can watch raw anime okay
>visited japan several times
>still can't read more than 50 kanji

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I wish there was software that didn't suck pure ass like Anki.

What ever happened to him?

Man you're being super aggressive for whatever reason and I can't exactly tell why. It's already pretty clear from my original post that I'm a quitter, that was the point of the post in the first place. Chill my dude

Do you just enjoy grinding out Kanji and the feeling of being able to read new material? What I'm asking is do you just find joy in learning a language or is it something with Japanese specifically?

I wanna fuck Dekinai-chan more than I wanna learn Japanese!

We need Kanjicaptcha

I am doing my daily runs right now and this based image for a word just popped up in anki.

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What is this duolingo meme? /djt/ never talks about this, but it seems to have become a recent meme like somehow there's been more people using it to learn languages Japanese not excluded.

What deck is this? It looks like core2k but my core2k doesn't have pictures

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Is that a butt window..?

They have 12 years to lean kanjis
And 12 years already can make children so not an argument

Real talk, English is actually my second language, and I learned it mostly by immersing myself in English media of all kinds as a kid, but I doubt that's gonna work now that a good bit older. would to learn the language, because I find it likely that I'll use it one way or another, but I can't seem to get lead on how to learn Japanese
would appreciate some help, but I Honestly can't expect anything

core2k, my きょうだい. just get the image pack for it from /djt/

why do Japanese people do the "wwwwwwwww" thing?

WHERE ARE THE VIDEOGAMES

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笑う->わらう->warau->w

Such an uneducated opinion. Knowing any language means remembering millions of things. You must remember every word which includes writing, pronunciation, collocations, meaning, declensions etc. In many cases, plurals and declensions are stored separately, same for different meanings of the same word. Then you also remember grammar structures and a huge amount of chunks. Taking that into account, a few thousands kanji is nothing especially considering they simplify the memorization of other things.

Just do what you did with English but with Japanese. Everything has already been posted in this thread. I guess you could have 4channel redirect to a 5ch board.

Tomorrow i'll start i promise sensei !

Why not next year so you can visit post-olympics Tokyo?

why in the FUCK should I give a singular shit about stroke order

Sorry, I don't want to learn the language of insectoids

It's actually
笑う->ハハハハハハ->wwwwwww->草

I mean to be fair the Korean have basically been getting shit on ever since they got stuck there.
You ever see that madwoman webm where some Japanese high schooler went to the equivalent of Koreatown in Osaka and was basically going all GAS THE GOOKS RACE WAR NOW over loudspeaker?
when writing some kanji it keeps it from looking retarded.
of course if you expect to write little to no kanji by hand I wouldn't worry as much

If anyone has less than perfect handwriting it'll become illegible if you don't understand the stroke order. It's easier to assume what the stroke order is for a new kanji after you learn a bunch of kanji, so it's really not that hard to learn. You implicitly learn radicals by following proper stroke order.

Do you all bother with writing and speaking or just reading?

that was cringy 2ch slang but became normie shit. the w means the w of warai. it often comes off as cringy nerd stuff tho. normally, using (笑)is recommended. which is often translated into english as (laughs)

ゴリラ来る
りんごを奪った
もういやだ

i hate normieshit, olympics will make japan in to a normalfag wasteland

I don't write although I want to. Not bothering unless I get a job in the country. Same for speaking. Don't skimp out with listening skills. That shit is a slow burn no matter where you are with reading and grammar. I'd get some jpod101 off the djt thread and sticking with it.

黒んぼ達はみんな泥棒さんですね

I read the words out loud because it helps me with memorization, but I don't produce sentences regularly, no. I don't really care about talking to Nips, I just wanna play their games and watch their cartoons.

FUCKING NORMALFAGS LEAVE THIS PLACE ALREADY

>learn nip
>never use it for anything except browsing futaba

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Why futaba? Wouldn't 5ch be more appropriate for games?

I sing along to songs to improve my pronunciation but I'm not bothering with writing anything more than the most basic kanji and kana at all.

most english users from non-english speaking countries are like that.

>exam session is going to be over soon
>wanted to use the summer to pick up learning Japanese, since I'm going to have a lot of time before the next semester
>family insists I get a part-time job and apply for driving courses instead
What do?

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Is there a Japanese equivalent to simple english Wikipedia?

No. I dropped the classes after a year, right about when they started to cover Kanjis because fuck that shit. What kind of backward savages keep using fucking ideograms?

Is Supermega still going?

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Maybe, but 5ch is a confusing mess of a site and nobody there has a sense of humour

>not starting a game publishing company that only funds games you like and only cares about making ends meet

Pic related, Mizzurna Falls and those old PC-98 VNs

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Djt also never talks about, among other things, proper textbooks and language classes, it's basically a muh anki, rtk, and tae kim circlejerk.

To weed out the retards and the lazy.

Why'd they take so long to introduce kanjis?

普通に会話できてるじゃん。
翻訳されてないゲームを読むくらい、もうたいして苦労せずできるんじゃないの?

If playing 龍が如くcounts as studying, then yeah.

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>when writing
>handwriting
oh
so its fucking useless
good to know, thanks! saved me some time!

Duolingo and Lingo deer are pretty awful. I wasted several months on Lingodeer and I learned jack shit. Using a good old textbook was much better. Structure ain't nothing to fuck with.

What is 草 slang for?

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ない

Did you already have something lined up when you moved? I thought Japan was pretty strict on immigration.

b-but muh animoo w/o subtitles

Why are so many Japanese courses for pussies? When I learned Chinese, I learned more kanji in a month then in an entire semester in Japanese.

JP101 usually introduces it halfway through the course or near the end.

No reason why you can't do both if you manage time properly

japanese people still watch avgn?

why did you learn japanese if you dont care about manga, VNs, LNs, games, etc

It's another way of saying lol. A bunch of wwwwwwwww 's looks kinda like grass, right? Therefore, 草

Yes, but he's not as popular as he used to be

Thank you

Japanese has hiragana and it's been drilled into people's heads that Kanji is the hardest thing ever. So they don't want to scare off people from learning the language while also not teaching something necessary for reading and writing for so long.

I did when I started. That was about 6 years ago though. My main board here now is Yea Forums; there's nothing like learning another language to help you appreciate your own.

Not entirety true. wwwww has the weight of lol so it's sometimes better to use than 笑 which can feel a bit stiff/condescending like "Ha."

You also implicitly learn the radicals, which is useful for reading.

How is everyone coping with the despair of learning Japanese, then realizing that right as you learned it, the market has stagnated into isekai garbage? Or the realization that almost everything worth reading has been translated or will be translated? Or that even the advantage of getting to play your favorite series at the same time as the Nips is disappearing as worldwide releases are becoming more commonplace? I'm handling it well

> there are Japanese learning resources that are completely in romaji

Sometimes its relatively intermediate/advanced shit. Imagine getting that far in a language without learning how to properly read.

>will be translated?
By who, you?

Nice excuse. Japanese was (or is? I guess I still have the basics) my fourth language. I don't have a problem with putting the time and effort into a new language, but seriously, there's a point in which you have to ask yourself why do they keep insisting on this unnecessary stuff unlike Koreans who are phasing them out.

I only had classes on the weekends, so I guess that explains the slow pace? Also, the school used Minna no Nihongo which doesn't really use Kanjis in the first sections.

Trends come and go, there's still plenty of good stuff out there. Translations are pretty shit, especially for anime. Those CR subs are so rushed you might as well be reading mangapanda scanlations.

Kanji are too ingrained and necessary to make sentences readable and separate homonoyms

What's stunning is you spent a year on a language and yet learned less than any self-learner with a weekend to spare. And then you start blaming the fucking LANGUAGE for shit you were too stupid to understand.

>I don't have a problem with putting the time and effort
Apparently you do.

It's exactly why I'm learning. Because shit I consider "worth reading" is never gonna get translated.
Also funposting on futaba.

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underrated

>unlike Koreans who are phasing them out.
How is learning Korean now? Is it purely phonetic or are there ways to discern homophones?

When did you guys realize that the Japanese were the most culturally advanced society on the planet?

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>market has stagnated into isekai garbage
well.. there is old materials

> Or the realization that almost everything worth reading has been translated or will be translated

Absolutely not true. A Mishima book was just translated this month and there's still loads more of just his work that hasn't been translated. I also know multiple professors in the dept at my uni who are working on really high profile Japanese works that have just never been translated. The (good) Japanese translation community is very niche so unless you're Murakami who oversees the translation himself and is instantly available in the west it's mostly passion projects.

>How is learning Korean now?
Nobody knows, because nobody outside of Korea has ever bothered learning the language. I imagine anyone here could learn hangul in a week or two given how much of an advanced language those bugpeople claim it to be, but the problem is that there's absolutely zero reason to ever even consider investing a single second into Korean.

I think Tasteless is the only non-korean person in history to ever learn the language.

i'd say korean is easiest gook language
compared to a japanese or mandarin its a fucking joke to learn

Has anyone ever proved that he actually knows it? For all we know, he's just speaking racist gibberish and the gooks are just humoring him, and then he's making up whatever he thinks they said.

Without a third party to corroborate I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

is it a good idea to practice by reading ヘンタイ漫画 ?

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Any comprehensible input is good. Hentai? Good. 2ch shitposts? Good.

>Or the realization that almost everything worth reading has been translated or will be translated?
wrong
95% of all the half good gay shit is still untranslated
>an actual reader of real japanese lit besides me on Yea Forums
neato
and yeah lots of good stuff has either not been translated or the translation is over 50 years old, and often those translation get a mixture of translator editorialism (looking at you Waley and Schalow) or outdated language.
My one professor was planning to retranslate Fires on the Plain partly because the original translator in the 1950s just left out a section that provides some important context
up to a point, the writing system is so easy even a retard could learn it, and the grammar is pretty similar to japanese.
pronunciation though is a fucking bitch for me personally

been learning for 8 months now, almost at 4000 vocabulary which is not even 1/4th of my native language vocab but you know....takes awhile.

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I went on the pace the teachers set and didn't have trouble understanding the language or grammar. But c'mon? Fucking Kanjis? Maybe I'm just being stubborn but there's no way I will go with memorizing fucking ideograms.

I just don't find that enjoyable and learning a new language is something I have always taken on for enjoyment. No point in doing it if I don't enjoy it.

Like, nothing wrong with anyone else wanting to do it. I admire your dedication to a language that, honestly, is pretty hard when you compare it to others. And that difficulty is not even down to the Kanjis, but to the structure.

Romanji is actually unreadable, I have no clue how you could stand writing a whole book with it.

>having to deal with chink scammers as a part of your jov

>pronunciation though is a fucking bitch for me personally
oh yeah
I generally don't like how it sounds
good luck trying to figure what that person is mumbling under his nose

compared to other languages its still a joke though

Yes. Most translations just make up the words anyway to end up as memes. The originals are actually sexy phrases you can use IRL.

Yeah I got a C++ final today before I move on to my masters degree and start making a quarter million a year.

Oh am I studying gook? No, I have weebs to translate shit for me. Begone twot.

It's useful for googling shit and getting results in English, but worthless for anything you else.

>there is always one buttmad chink in these threads

>What I can't study both Japanese AND computer science!

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>>I went on the pace the teachers set
A pace designed for mouthbreathers like yourself. That's why it took a full year to introduce something you should've seen day one.

>there's no way I will go with memorizing fucking ideograms.
Because you're retarded and have bizarre hangups. To put it in terms you might understand, this is basically like saying "there's no way I'm going to memorize WORDS!".

Personally, I like the sound and the grammar of Chinese more than those of Japanese, it sounds like a language for chads. I like Japanese popular culture more, though.

So why did you take the language? Did you never intend to read it? You never took a look at Japanese text and realized it's riddled with Kanji?

I used to think that exact same thing about english back in the day.
t. ESL

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>don't learn Chinese because I don't want competition
啊啊啊哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈

yes
I can't count the amount of times the only translation is either absolute garbage or fucks up at least one sections intended meaning. so if you want the actual story reading the raw is useful.
plus it introduces you to a lot of vocab that you wouldn't otherwise learn immediately
(種付け for instance)

Studying Kanji is great dumb nigger. Nothing more relaxing that watching a stream while I write out some Kanji.

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>t. insectoid
年天安门广场大屠杀

Wow, what's the need for insults? Feeling defensive about something? I legit don't understand why you seem to be mad about something like this.

It was honestly was a failed experiment. Mistakes were made. I still use the basics from time to time and, phonetically, the language is beautiful so I guess it wasn't a complete waste of time.

You'll make it one day, bro.

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>年

I'm actually studying applied biophysics, it just includes computer science credits because I'm using computers for doing simulations.

Also, I could do both but I'd prefer to do other shit in my free time. I'm a weeb fag but not a big enough weeb fag to want to learn a language just to watch its cartoons. Especially when there are freely available translations.

underrated post

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WHERE IS YOUR INTEGRITY, user?

Sounds like wanking yourself over *potentially* making a quarter mil is the only thing you're interested in.

I would but other than a few untranslated visual novels I don’t see the point in spending so many grueling hours when I could use the time towards becoming fit or getting degrees

Are you seriously learning japanese with wrong font rendering (using chink ideograms instead of jap)?
If you use e.g. Chrome, you can stop learning right now.
Chrome systematically uses chink ideograms as fallback. Before you ask, yes, common kanji can look very different.
Example: 直
If it doesn't look like the one in my pic (look at the leftmost one, especially the lower left section and the L stroke is missing), then you're doing it wrong.

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I'm sure I'll try to learn someday, but for now I'd rather wallow in aimless laziness.

I've got a degree, currently getting fit, learning Japanese, and learning piano with a 9-5 job and a fiancee.

I'm wanking myself over something else entirely right now; Selfdrilling SMS is still best.

Also, I have plenty of hobbies aside from learning a new language. Maybe I'll pick it up if I ever run out of shit to do. But as of right now, Nah.

中国人吃狗。 他们用汽车跑过街上的孩子们。 他们的政府审查一切。 他们没有历史,也没有文化。 他们的男人有小阴茎,他们的女人去西方国家享受大白鸡巴。 他们的行业是一个笑话,他们的产品是世界上最差的,他们的工厂只适合制造廉价的塑料玩具和电子产品,这些产品将在几天内崩溃。汉人已经灭绝了。现代的“中国人”是世界的奥秘,其基因库是一种巨大的污染精液。 “中国人”被外国人奴役了一千多年。甚至“光荣的”唐朝也起源于外国统治。在过去的三个朝代中,有两个由外国人统治,即将到来的朝代也是如此。上帝保佑美国。

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I can't imagine the huge pain in the ass that would be fonts for japanese. Idk how the fuck you can tell if its chinese or not, and then I bet 90% of programs use Chinese fonts for a lot of shit.

I already spend 1-2 hours per day watching anime anyway, which would be pretty decent passive practice if I managed to understand more than just every other sentence. Would be stupid to not study it
Also I'm stupid

Fonts can be a bit of a nightmare, but mainly in subtle ways. If you know the character, you can mostly figure it out.

>when you think you're dealing with humans but it turns out you're dealing with ferengi

Well its either Japanese or Russian.

I am there too. I thought it was a good way to actually get started, it was completely painless. We gotta graduate to a proper method later though.

The main problem is that the morons at unicode didn't account for regional differences to save space. A kanji scribble is a kanji scribble to the computer.

>marrying a Chinese girl
Really easy way to lose your hearing and mental sanity.

Pro Tip: Don’t listen to any strategies listed in this thread

to meta for me

Here's another one: 誤, as in 誤解, 誤差, 誤, etc.
That one is really bad. It should look like the picture. The chink version is very different.

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Most especially this one.

Japanese games with Furigana? Perferably actual games.

since thread is dead. good luck anons. don't quit

www2.gwu.edu/~eall/vjgnew/vjghomepage/vjghome.htm

Nah, I can wing most things

not the same but aren't some older games like the first Dragon Quest all Hiragana? you could try those

天安門大屠殺

Can you help me on how I can change the font in anki? I have no fucking clue with this software.
Even if someone helps me with the exact correct jap font link I think I can shoehorn it into Anki.

All Pokemon games don't have Kanji. Many NES games don't have Kanji because the resolution was too small and made them too blurry to read. Not sure of any games that use Furigana, outside of the occasional "this is how I want you to read this" shit in most chuuni games.

holy fuck I was doing it wrong, thanks user. I can see clearly

>All Pokemon games don't have Kanji
Not true

Not having kanji would actually make it more difficult. I want furigana so I can look stuff up easier if I come across something I don't know.

I don't think you can. This is a result of using WebKit to render the text and not specifying the lang attribute. Only thing you can do is ask the Anki dev.
I'm amazed that a tool used so widely to learn japanese (and whose name is japanese) has this problem. What the fuck?

Try setting the app language to Japanese. Mine used to always switch between them randomly before I did that.

Ok Mr. Stickler, let me rephrase it. None of them before gen 5 have Kanji and the ones after that don't have Kanji unless you enable it in the options menu,

Ok thanks. Just in case i wanted to know the exact jap font you use in your PC. Do you know its name?

My bad, apparently you CAN change the font, it's in the deck template:
apps.ankiweb.net/docs/manual.html#card-styling
Use either:
Meiryo
MS PGothic
or
MS PMincho
if you're on Windows.

My favorite area of literature. I'd love to become a professor or translator but too much time on the internet has left me pessimistic about my prospects of making it. But yeah the cool part about Japanese in translation is that 1:1 is undesirable if not impossible and because there's multiple schools of thought on translation there's always material whether it be untranslated and forgotten or simply retranslating a different way. Hence the dozens of Genji translations both in English and Japanese. I'm particularly interested in this new Mishima translation because the translator straight up changes things like the main character's name and inserts western idioms and mannerisms. I don't know how I feel about such unrestrained creative liberties but Mishima is so notoriously difficult in his Japanese and in translation I'm interested to see if it still has his "voice."

Thanks senpaitachi

at what point I would be able to watch monogatari without subtitles and understand all the wordplay, puns and shit?
I never watched it but I've heard its "le title for le intellectuals"

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Ive finished the fantranslation for Dai Gyakuten Saiban like a month ago, im not waiting for the sequel's translation.

Mnemonics may sound like a meme but there's a reason it's talked about so much in learning Japanese. Kanji isn't that hard as long as you're not brute force writing in repetition. It's good to write it out and commit it to memory but reading passages with the kanji and making up your own mnemonics go a long way in retention. I've still got shit like 薬 down because of things like "You can have fun again after you take this medicinal grass." Kusuri (medicine) is the grass radical and fun kanji. Or 若い because it means young and is made up of the grass radical and kanji for right so the young people are right about weed. Shit gets dumb but I can write and read them without thinking too much now.