So I just finished Persona 5 and I'm thinking of playing Persona 4 and maybe 3. Anything I should know before going in?

>Literally filler till the last full moon shadow dies

Adachi/rookie cop is the killer
P3MC dies

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>Best story
>The only reason you visit the game dungeon till the last months are to train and curiosity

Well now I ain't gonna play it

tl;dr: 5 has the best gameplay by far. Going back to play 3 and 4 can be rough because of it. 3 has the best story/characters but worst gameplay. I really disliked 4 because of the scooby gang bullshit, but it's a decent game if you don't share that opinion. Have fun, user.

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based

>3 has the best story/characters
>When Fuuka, Koromaru, Ken, Shinji and Strega exists

Next time just play the fucking game you retard.

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It's not, he's full of shit and just a nostalgiafag. It's fucking garbage to play even before 5 with the lack of controllable party members and shit house dungeon that you'll be going through the game with its bland as fuck design and this is all coming from someone that played 3 as their first Persona game.

Where did the P3=best characters and story fags come from? You people did not exist 2 years ago on Yea Forums. Im genuinely curious because nobody thought this way up until a couple years ago here and I've been here since 3 originally came out.

3, 4, 5 are practically the same game. Narrative gets marginally worse over time but not so much that it's a major issue, and the gameplay gets marginally better over time too.

One thing with 3 though is that it's pacing is fucked. Basically nothing happens for the first half of it. Since you've played 5 already the free time stuff probably won't seem new or interesting to you anymore too.

It's a big circlejerk that P3fags do

I've been seeing people say this for years, though clearly people are referring to specific characters and not the entire cast. Akihiko's character gets shat on all the time for example.

P3 was always more well liked than 4 so I don't know why you're surprised

Autistic P3fags trying to seem better than the rest, probably the same ones that shit on the rest of the games too.

P4 got like 3 Yea Forums banners, had the brotag threads and shit and you telling me P3 was more liked ? P3fags were all bullied for being edgy

Go into P4 as blind as possible to the story. Get comfy.
Understand P5 has the most refined gameplay based off improving P3/P4 and it shows but they're still perfectly playable.
>random dungeon layouts
>social links for people outside the party don't have the same level of benefits at all
>No button that tells you answers to questions or what people did those days (P4G has this)
>Cant control party in P3FES (there's a mod for this)
plenty more small changes as well besides these
People have opinions on characters, story, music, etc. but the core mechanics are objectively better in P5. My point is go into them understand they're a little older of games

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lol no, Yea Forums has P4 themed banners because the board was so obsessed with it when it came out. you clearly were not here when P4 released.

>P4 got like 3 Yea Forums banners
and half of Yea Forums's banners are for anime plenty of people there haven't watched, what's your point?

Its the last persona that has even a hint of SMT in it.

>P3
>SMT like
It literally began the friendship stuff

his point is you dont know what youre talking about. Yea Forums was obsessed with 4 when it came out and nobody argued that it wasnt better than 3.

Again I ask where did you P3 fanboys come from?

How does that change my point about the threads on Yea Forums and stuff ? just Adachi was already more talked and liked than P3

based based based!

How difficult is emulating P3, P4, and Nocturne on PC? My PS3's HDMI port has some smushed needles and I don't feel like fucking with AV graphics on games not meant for it.

It its easy as fuck

Not very.

You realise you're agreeing with me right

Technically, he never killed anyone. It was the entirety of Inaba.

it works damn near perfectly, get the undub for 3 and 4
English VA is cringe

Try reading again this time with more literacy.

why are the fans of the older Persona games so low IQ? it's a consistently noticeable thing, you can't talk to them about pretty much anything

Really? Most of all I've emulated is like, NES-gamecube. Should I be emulating the PSP versions or will the PS3 version be as confusing as PS2 emulation has been for me. I'm a little technologically retarded.

Kaneko actually came up with the main cast's character designs (which Soejima redrew for the in-game sprites).

It its easy to emulate the PS2 ones

after you finish 4, skip 3 and go straight to innocent sin. 3 is absolute garbage, the worst game in the series by far.

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>download PCSX2
>download the game's ISO file
>select said ISO
>start
ez

Nostalgia

it also removed demon negotiations and actually battling against demons, all for the sake of a shitty card game. 3 and especially 4 are the least "megaten" megaten games of all time.

You didn't randomly shit on P3 for no reason despite it having nothing to do with what the user was asking though

Not them but Persona 5 is insultingly handholdy (both in terms of story and gameplay), and it's clear Atlus thinks the audience for nu-Persona is dumber than a bag of rocks. They're not wrong to think so.

no but Yea Forums forgets about all other spin-offs whenever they talk about Persona in general
there's no point even having this discussion anymore

and yet it's always fans of the older games that are the most retarded and incapable of basic conversation, see the posts I quoted for example

He pushed Saki after shoving the singer in knowing what happened to her, he knew what he was doing, or at least, what would happen

And they need to be more, people still ask questions till this day

The fuck kind of questions could people have about P5?

People to this day still don't know the theme of the game (despite Bad Igor and the whole gaming showing it)
Also Ruse stuff despite Futaba explaining it if you ask

you'd be surprised how many retards on here genuinely don't understand any of the story. they think the takeaway is ADULTS BAD KIDS GOOD, even though the ending and a bunch of the social links say otherwise.

Fuuka is the bestest character!

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im such a primal bitch i saw the morgana pic in the OP and got horny
help me

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Times like these I wish they were just pretending to be retarded

Wait, there's a controllable party patch?
Fucking where?

forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Persona-3-Fes-Controllable-Party-Members
It its a cheat

these are the same people who will then claim that p5's story sucks (despite not understanding it), it's the worst game in the series, and then unironically praise p3 even though it has shit gameplay and no story at all until the last month.

I suppose Persona 3 tells a story which is thematically consistent and is delivered well.

I didn't like that Persona 4 tells a story of an intentionally smaller scale than Persona 3 which is reflected in the setting, seeing a bunch of kids with supernatural powers in the countryside tracking down a persona using the same supernatural means to kill people. It was refreshing that it wasn't a 'fate of the world' situation like Persona 3 until it became a fate of the world deal in the final act.

Persona 5 I'd say was just too 'anime', if you'll forgive the use of such a term.
The rival and villain with the most screen precense Akechi has shallow motives, and the main villain Shidou doesn't have much of a character beyond a lust for power.
The villain in Persona 4 was well developed and realistic, but the villains in P5 draw from the bag of tired anime villain tropes for their motivations.
There were also a lot of contrivances in Persona 5's story. It felt like it must have undergone a lot of last minute rewrites, because there were moments which seemed quite artificial.

Persona 3's narrative was just better constructed and more polished, I feel.

Sorry, I meant to say that I DID like Persona 4's story until the final act.

>The villain in Persona 4 was well developed and realistic
elaborate for the brainlets, I agree with you and just want to see someone else tell it

P3FES and P4Golden are the "better" versions of P3 and P4. Take the opinions of others that try to say that any of the older ones are superior with a grain of salt. Most cases, they are nostalgiafags. The Persona games build on it's game mechanics over each main iteration so you more or less already played the "best" one.

Consider playing P3 or P4 on an emulator so you can jack the game speed up to roughly 120% speed. I found P3 and P4 feeling very dated after playing P5, though the tweaked game speed made it a tad more bearable

>There were also a lot of contrivances in Persona 5's story. It felt like it must have undergone a lot of last minute rewrites, because there were moments which seemed quite artificial.
Ironic for you to say that when the Answer retconned the some part of Nyx, and there is also some dropped plots in vanilla P3, also how does Akechi got shallow motives but Strega ones are fine ? also Shido was much more expanded than Ikutsuki for example

>the villains in P5 draw from the bag of tired anime villain tropes for their motivations.
the villains in p5 are based on real news stories.
animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2017-05-12/the-real-japan-behind-persona-5/.116021

based as fuck. p2 is in two parts by the way, it goes Innocent Sin then Eternal Punishment.

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play the undubs

>any time a P3 defends P3s points they NEVER mentioned Strega

Everytime.

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>see this post
>"oh here we go again can't wait to see spergs raging over a game they don't like"
>tfw scroll down and I was right
Yea Forums can you be less predictable? come on is that hard to understand that people have different opinion than yours and that you are a retard?

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Persona 3 and 4 are much harder than 5 so prepare to get cucked

>I suppose Persona 3 tells a story which is thematically consistent and is delivered well.
>Chill 30 days
>Big fight boss
>Chill 30 days
>Big fight boss
>Finally find the final boss
>'Oh he is only coming in 30 days'
>Delivered well
Also those fucking cutscenes that came out of fucking nowhere and were all 2 mins long then fucking nothing for 30 days again

Thinking it's the best in the series doesn't mean it's flawless. It's like someone who thinks P4 is the best saying Yusuke was a good character, or Teddy wasn't an annoying twat. You can very much love a game while admitting it has negatives. Strega just wasn't a good antagonist group despite having a good setup (human experiments who are dying and just don't give a shit anymore).

HOW COME YUSUKE IS BAD? user EXPLAIN TO ME YOU ARE SHITTING ME RIGHT? BRO... DON'T DO THIS HE IS MY BOY

4 is only harder with the original version.

>Yusuke was a good character, or Teddy wasn't an annoying twat.
But Yosuke WAS a good character, his slink stuff and the Namatame stuff were kinda cool for him, also Teddie was fun to have around

I think my perception of the killer in Persona 4 has been irrevocably shaped by extended media such as the anime, but I don't think they include anything which isn't at least implied in the original game.

We have a man very angry and bitter about his circumstances. He worked hard in his youth, forgoing pleasure for study and he has nothing to show for it. An incident (which suggests a chaotic disposition before the murders begin) has him sent to the countryside by his superiors where he can't advance within his career, meaning he's always going to be unsatisfied with his job despite his academic attainment. He bears a grudge towards the protagonists because they are living their lives and enjoying themselves in their youths when he threw away his own chance to do so for ultimately no gain.
Then, of course, we have that he is always rejected by women which has inspired a genuine misogyny. For a man like this to be suddenly given supernatural powers, he can't help but feel its his calling and a means to be transcend beyond the sad life that fate has dealt him and it is quite within his profile to use them in anger against society.

Contrast Akechi in Persona 5, who is upset because he has no friends (even though there is no reason he shouldn't be able to make some) and feels a drive to get revenge on his father. He's just not as well developed, simply.

Didn't play The Answer. I think Strega are a little shallow, but they're also not really forces within the narrative of the same level that Akechi and Adachi are in their respective games. P3 doesn't really have a comntrastable, human villain Ikutsuki didn't do much more than set the wheel in motion before his death.

Kamoshida, etc. were good.
I was talking about the main overarching story villains of Akechi and Shidou.

Nah, Kanji boys got magic wall for their weaknesses and Yukiko's prince don't have a weakness no more, it kinda easier cause fusion stuff but still

>Didn't play The Answer. I think Strega are a little shallow, but they're also not really forces within the narrative of the same level that Akechi and Adachi are in their respective games. P3 doesn't really have a comntrastable, human villain Ikutsuki didn't do much more than set the wheel in motion before his death.
Strega literally killed 2 party members (Junpei got ressurected but still) that is more narrative stuff than both Akechi and Adachi before they are revealed, also Ikutsuki revealing himself to die 20 mins later was stupid

They killed party members, but they didn't really influence the overall plot. Nyx and the Fall would have happened without them being there, but the villain is central to everything that happens in P4 and the Phantom Thieves wouldn't have had any of the problems they encountered with Okumura and which set the tone for the rest of the game if not for their villain.

>but they didn't really influence the overall plot.
That is kinda the point, the only thing that influences the plot at all is Ikutsuki and he dies 20 mins after the reveal, Strega was just useless

>tfw been going on a Persona marathon and just beat Innocent Sin
Why the fuck did they make it so confusing at the beginning? I understand it was for the twist, but it was way too weird to get into.

And when is that PSP translation going to be fucking done.

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And that's precisely why I don't think it's fair to compare them to Akechi and Adachi.
They're not equivalents, so the argument 'Well, you can't criticise Persona 5's villain and defend Persona 3 when it has Strega' doesn't hold up.

BASED

Having a useless villain that serves for nothing don't makes the plot 'delivered well', also Ikutsuki being used in a dumb way

3 is pretty bad. The story and characters are pretty good but Tartarus (basically the """dungeons""") are so fucking boring and repetitive that it straight up just makes me wanna kill myself.

It was delivered well despite an admitted flaw of Strega being quite shallow. They're not integral to the story and a good delivery doesn't necessitate that they were well developed. The main crux of the story is Nyx, who was executed well.

>Why the fuck did they make it so confusing at the beginning?
Generally, all the "deeper" japanese games and media were like this the 90s. They generally went for more intricate stories/characters and western games/media generally gravitated towards more simplified stories and polarized good/bad guys.

Skip them
But you probably wont so just drop them if after an in-game month they feel like shit, since things wont improve

>The main crux of the story is Nyx, who was executed well.
But it wasn't too, Nyx was only revealed 1 month before the game ends, before that we got the repetitive 'kill big shadow every 30 days', also Ryuji being with you for 1 month only then fucking off and becoming the final boss , also again the 30 days till Nyx comes that fucks up all the pacing

But the story was always building towards Nyx, even before it was revealed.
The shadows were inherently linked with Nyx, who emerged later in the story.

akechi's whole backstory is explained in the game. shido abandoned him when he was young, his mother committed suicide shortly afterward. he was passed around the foster care system for most of his young life, with the stigmas of being a bastard child and an orphan following him around. his entire career as the "detective prince," his role in the conspiracy with shido and his persona powers are all ways in which he desperately grasps for the approval and encouragement he never got as a child. he also sees it as his opening to get revenge on shido for abandoning him.
quite frankly, he's a much better developed villain than adachi and his motivations make far more sense.

The shadows only came each 30 days, the rest of the time was spent doing either slinks or nothing, that is a fucked pacing

I swear some retards in this thread are using Yusuke/Yosuke and Ryuji/Ryoji interchangeably and its triggering my autism

Remember to play the portable versions. P4G is the same game but with more content, while P3P sacrifices presentation for a game that's actually playable.

P5 has the best gameplay of the modern trilogy, so the others will be a bit of a step down.

P4 is the least overt with its edgyness but its ultimately the most nihistic and cynical of the trilogy. Thats where its "dark" themes lie, in contrast to the corruption and fury of P5 or death and dread of P3. P4 seems to be the blacksheep of the 3, and its a love it or hate it kind of thing.

P3 has the best atmosphere of the trilogy but the worst gameplay.

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This. Even P5 is more SMT than P3 was.

But he got approval. He is respected, he has legions of adoring fans. Everything he wanted except for revenge he already has.

I think a critical problem with Akechi's development is that it doesn't explain why he chose to make a name for himself within the police (does he feel he has been dealt injustice and thus is inclined towards justice?) and yet kills innocent people.
The decision to kill is quite a heavy one to make. Why did Akechi do it?
Is he just so overcome with a desire for revenge that it doesn't matter to him? Is that a good motivation and a well-developed character to you?

>Fight 4 angels and Yaldy larping as YHVH
Based reference to SMT 2

>But he got approval. He is respected, he has legions of adoring fans. Everything he wanted except for revenge he already has.
Those are all fake to him
>I think a critical problem with Akechi's development is that it doesn't explain why he chose to make a name for himself within the police (does he feel he has been dealt injustice and thus is inclined towards justice?) and yet kills innocent people.
>The decision to kill is quite a heavy one to make. Why did Akechi do it?
>Is he just so overcome with a desire for revenge that it doesn't matter to him? Is that a good motivation and a well-developed character to you?
His revenge is literally all he got, his plan is do the revenge then whatever either die or live, he also copes by saying he only killed bad corrupt dudes, that is a good motivation and well developed character

But 4 as THE megami as an enemy, the bitch that started this series

What about the train conductor, the passengers on the train, and the people in the train station?

The news said nobody there died

_ ____ __ ____ ____ ___

Did Akechi know that nobody would die?

He's just a psychopath with a cliched revenge motive.

I want to fuck that cat?

He is a tragic psychopathy, also his revenge motive is realistic despite being a cliche

Maybe it was an evil corrupt train conductor that cheats on his wife and thinks Japan should go back to war with America for revenge. It is a mystery

And you think Adachi's motive, which is not cliched (though that's not the reason why it's better), is worse somehow?

Can you explain why?

>But he got approval. He is respected, he has legions of adoring fans.
but it's all hollow and fake. it's all based on the facade of making people's shadows go crazy so he can solve his own cases. his fanbase is fickle, and quick to turn on him if he doesn't keep up his perfect little detective act at all times or if he screws up even slightly. living under that constant pressure isn't sustainable in the long run, which is why he's still crazy even after getting all the fan support.
>I think a critical problem with Akechi's development is that it doesn't explain why he chose to make a name for himself within the police
he's following in naoto's footsteps. that's why he's referred to as "the second coming of the detective prince," and i doubt it's a coincidence that he has a similar backstory to naoto - she also lost her parents at a young age and has trouble making friends.
japan loves young detectives for some reason, so once akechi figures out that he can game the system with his persona powers, it's an easy ride to the respect and acknowledgement he craves (although, again, it's all ultimately hollow and fake).
>Is he just so overcome with a desire for revenge that it doesn't matter to him? Is that a good motivation and a well-developed character to you?
it's not great, but it still makes more sense than adachi killing people because he's a bitter lonely incel and he's mad that his parents cared about his grades in school.

I am not the guy that said that, for me Adachi's motive is a great one too, but it is cliche too, doing bad shit for the shits and giggles is not 'deep'

>He's following in Naoto's footsteps
Yes, but why?
Naoto's family were in the police. We know why she became a detective.
Why did Akechi?

He liked the fame even if it was fake, you can see that by how Robin Hood and Crow are all heroic

But why pursue fame by joining the police?
Why didn't he become an actor or a scientist?

He could solve his metaverse crimes, like he can just make a person do a crime by fucking with her shadow then say she was the culprit, he made his cases

he the natural talent to be a detective (as he demonstrates in sae's palace), he's figured out a way to create his own cases to solve, and he lives in a culture where young detectives are treated like superstars, so why wouldn't he be a detective? he also wants to be viewed as a hero, and solving crimes for a living is a way to be viewed as a hero.

it also has more moeshit slice of life than the entire rest of the megaten franchise combined.

COME! LOKI!
PERSONAAAAHHHHH!
EAT THIS!

THE TRASH OF SOCIETY

All better than anything 4 or 5 has to offer.

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Nah, just by slink/confidant persona 4 and 5 were better already

A FUTURE THE YOUTH CAN BE HOPEFUL FOR

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It will only stop when people don't say 'x game is better' 'x game is the best of the franchise' so never

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>intro literally says memento mori
>entire beginning keeps saying you will die
>implying that's a spoiler

Play the psp version of Persona 3 it’s literally the best version and has a female route that changes the whole game. It’s basically like 2 persona games in one.

Wasn’t Makoto’s death a selling point?

>Femcfag
Cringe, FES is the definitive one, if you don't like tactics just use the mod

the femc route is the most tolerable way to play the shitpile that is p3.

Fuck you, Femc makes the game 10 times worse

The Anwser is fucking garbage and you know it

>quite frankly, he's a much better developed villain than adachi and his motivations make far more sense.
Wrong on both accounts. Akechi's motivations never made sense due to how clearly rushed it was its why he's the crux to all of P5s writing problems.

You don't need to play it, the good stuff is in the journey

>Akechi's motivations never made sense due to how clearly rushed it was
How was it rushed ? he was the killer even before the game began

less boring dialogue options, better social links. femc is the real mc of p3, cope.
they make plenty of sense to anyone who pays attention and isn't a retard.

>less boring dialogue options, better social links. femc is the real mc of p3, cope.
Fuck off Femcfag, she was a disgrace

4 is widely considered the best P game

>How was it rushed ?
Bus character has no real presence throughout the story and when he finally joins you his change of heart comes of of nowhere.
>they make plenty of sense to anyone who pays attention and isn't a retard.
Actually it doesn't for people who paid attention.

why can't doorfags ever stop seething?

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>Bus character has no real presence throughout the story and when he finally joins you his change of heart comes of of nowhere.
What are you talking about ? he enjoyed being in the group for Casino and maybe mementos, he was also sad cause the thieves had methods like 10 times better than his one and his revenge was useless

Did the killer reveal really surprise anyone? There's really not many recurring characters that would have made sense, maybe Dojima? He's the only other one I could think of that may have done it.

I’ve never understood why people liked Fes so much Portable literally has everything (except for the answer, which everyone hated) that was in Fes and more exclusive content. The only downside is that the game doesn’t have cutscenes and everything is presented in as a visual novel.

It was literally either Dojima or Adachi, the rest were teens that were your bros

I play Persona games on very easy, or whatever the lowest difficulty available is because I fucking suck at them, but enjoy the characters/atmosphere. It's the only video game series I don't play for the gameplay.

I think people just hate the visual novel stuff
Megaten on anything other than normal is technically not good, it its just the number that change so it's kinda meh, if the IA got more smart it would be cooler

Tbh except for 5, the combat was the worst part of the game.

P4G one was pretty cool too, then they peaked at 5

>he enjoyed being in the group for Casino and maybe mementos, he was also sad cause the thieves had methods like 10 times better than his one and his revenge was useless
....this is literally expelled as he laid dying not throughout his time on your team. And yet you said it wasn't rushed.

Because your team was being an asshole to him, also he was planning on killing you so he won't say 'i liked being on your team but my bad'

And people say that P5 has the best story in the franchise

I meant to say Persona/MegaTen. I think DeSu Overclocked has an easy mode, but it doesn't necessarily make the enemies easier. So I hit a brick wall in that game.

They're essentially tied to each other, but I think the combat is fine. It's the dungeon crawling that gets insufferable. Granted I've only finished P3P. I just started P4G.

it doesn't. p2 has the best story in the franchise.
still, 5's story is better than 3 and 4's.

The combat is god awful in 5. I literally try to beat palaces as fast as I can, and only went to mementos like 3 times and rushed through the whole thing while doing requests.
I wish they actually find away to make it more fun and give me more better reason to go to mementos that isn’t changing the heart of someone bullying with my waifu and because “the game told me to”

better and more realistic waifus
p5 went full retarded by pandering to disgusting grannyfags
>lol you can date your teacher, totally real amirite? you can also date a hippe 30something, a 45yo ugly as fuck reported and a totally plausible romantic route with a shady doctor thats like 30
seriously why?
>inb4 b-but you hunt down demons, its not realistic!
at least the visual novel parts of 3 and 4 were consistent, this is pure smelly weeb pandering

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>not liking based fukka
you sir, are a raging homosexual

Sidecharacters are pure pandering trash, dont pay attention to them

>the sheer number of zoomers itt

It really baffles me how so many of you completely fail to understand any of the gameplay or thematic decisions made in 3 and always resort to "b-but I'm bad at using tactics, 3 fucking sucks!"
It's seriously hard to believe that so many of you don't get such simple ideas.

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>didn’t do any of the side shit in persona
Why the fuck did you play the game? It’s literally it’s main appeal

im probably the only fag in this website that prefers Ayane over ANY other persona girl

1 > EP > 3 > IS > 5 > 4

Daily reminder

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All the dungeons in P3 and P4 are randomly generated hallways like Mementos, that's the biggest thing I wish I knew going in. Also the Demons you fight in P5 only exist in as Personas; every enemy in P3 and P4 looks basically like the overworld shadow models from P5 instead, and there's no negotiation with them. The best version of P3, which is FES, doesn't let you control your party members. Most other things are basically the same but P5 is definitely the best of the 3 in terms of gameplay, your mileage may vary on everything else but personally I think P3 is a lot better than P4 overall.
Also you should play P2, great story and fun battle system this is a hot take actually, most people hate it for being slow but that never bothered me and I personally never got tired of fusion spells. If you're into SMT also play P1, it's basically a Devil Summoner game. I also recommend PQ if you like dungeon crawling more than social sim shit, I think it's a great game but it was my first MegaTen so I'm biased.

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Why are you trying to rewrite history, people have been saying it since P4 came out at least.

Yes. The inability to use tactics make it unbearable, never mind the inability to block or the fact that party members ditch if you aren't ready to leave.

>1
It even sucks as a SMT game
2 is still great though

Are you crazy ? everyone liked the twists and Adachi more than P3 plot and characters

>the inability to block
Mad because bad
>party members ditch if you aren't ready to leave
Stop forcing tired party members to fight, go switch them out or just get through blocks faster

Based

Maybe people born in 2001

>Mad because bad
>Missing one of the oldest functions in RPG's
>Mad because bad
P3 is trash son, with or without tactics

play persona 2 instead

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>”the enemy is weak to ice”
> mitsuru proceeds to spam Marin Karin and Sexy Dance

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SMT has always, always emphasized the idea that the best defense is a good offense. If you don't want to take damage, kill the enemy first.

I played the Persona games in the order of 4 -> 3 -> 5, only getting into the series when P4 Golden was out (I still played normal P4). I overall still think Persona 3 has the best gameplay for a couple of reasons.

First thing is I just think the characters are designed better. You see more organization around the buffer, debuffer, tank, and so on and characters are defined more by their secondary skills in their role. Persona 4 and 5 was a lot more like "This is the wind guy and this is the fire girl, make sure you get their single target, AOE, boost, and amp." Persona 5 was even worse because you had more elements.

Second, I think the game difficulty was overall a lot more consistently challenging. You had to think about who to bring along and your persona was more important to craft. In P4 and P5 almost all the difficulty is frontloaded to when you have fewer options in battle and by the time you get past the second main dungeon you are past the hardest part of the game.

Lastly, I don't think the CPU controlled characters in P3 is a problem. Once you figure out how they operate you can use them pretty well and it actually speeds along the fight. You're thinking how to work with them rather than just pressing attack/heal/buff at the start of a turn with everyone. I thought it worked out very well.

>Decided to check out LJ's music outside of Persona
>Great stuff all around alongside the fact Meguro and Yumi collabed with him on some stuff

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>"p5 has the best gameplay in the series!"

This is how you know someone is a pleb who doesn't actually try to analyze game mechanics. 5 is the most streamlined, but also has little depth and you'll end up hugely overpowered so long as you're not an idiot. The best party members are clear cut, and you're rewarded for hitting weaknesses more than ever before despite it not being any harder.

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5 has far more depth than 3 or 4, the problem is that depth isn't used by the enemy anywhere close to how it needed to be which means all that depth just gives you a hundred different ways to kill something instantly.

>one of P5's main themes is to never accept what a person seems like at their first impression or public knowledge and to try and know what they're truly like beneath their public masks
>95% of the complaints for P5 comes from people basing their opinions on shallow first impressions or public knowledge instead of making an effort to understand things beyond the surface layer
Really makes you think

Name a single thing 4's battle system does better than 5.
Name a single thing 3's battle system does well at all.
More importantly defend their dungeons, I fucking dare you to try and defend their randomly generated hallways over P5's hand crafted dungeons that are actually at the level of every other megaten game. Fucking do it.

P3 had 3 distinctive physical types instead of two. That's about it though.

Persona 3 is the best video game ever made.

>Name a single thing 4's battle system does better than 5
Doesn't hand you double damage for casting zio on an enemy
>Name a single thing 3's battle system does well at all
Doesn't hand you a second turn for casting mazio on six enemies if it only knocks down one of them
Also individualizes the party members so you attach yourself to the protagonist rather than being an omnipotent god who can command people at will
>More importantly defend their dungeons
3 and 4 are given actually acceptable amounts of replay value whereas 5's are boring and easy on a replay
3's in particular emphasize danger, resource management, and exhaustion and reward you for going further without stopping, whereas in 5 you can literally just walk into a safe room, use your plentiful number of full heal party items, teleport to anywhere in the dungeon you want, etc.

5's dungeons reach the absolute minimum level of quality required of a constructed dungeon and that's it. The puzzles are almost all brainlet-tier and consume too much time on replays even if you know the solutions because of way too many dialogue sequences.

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Thank you, that's true and I didn't think of it.

tryhard faggot

>tartarus
>replay value
holy fuck, the absolute state of p3fags. nu-Yea Forums's contrarianism is out of control.

If you need the game to take away gameplay from the person playing the video game in order to "individualize party members" then the party members are actually complete shit. Literally no other JRPG has this problem. Tons of JRPGs have memorable individual characters enjoyed by the fans while also giving the player direct control of their actions in combat.

>3 and 4 are given actually acceptable amounts of replay value whereas 5's are boring and easy on a replay
3 and 4's dungeons are boring and easy the first time, what fucking games did you play? what replay value is there in something that had no substance the first time? P5 even has a shitty randomly generated dungeon to fill that void and it's undisputably the worst part of the game.

Thats why I dont stop them, but instead feed their delusions
Its funny how insane their views can get

>resource management,
>whereas in 5 you can literally just walk into a safe room,teleport to anywhere in the dungeon you want
you know that you just get a full HP/SP refill on returning back the first floor of tartarus and that every floor has a chance for a teleport pad with the guardians having a guaranteed one that lets you freely teleport around tartarus right?
4 even lets you return the highest floor you've been too in the dungeon

I wouldn't bother playing 3 if you started with 5, you can't control your party members, among other issues you would face

>enter tartarus on a second playthrough
>you still have to be careful on any given floor because they're random
>enter a palace on a second playthrough
>know where literally all the enemies are placed already and the solutions to all the puzzles, all that's left is to slog through it

Yeah I'd say random generation provides replay value. I've played through 3 a few times and enjoyed it each time whereas I tried replaying 5 and got fucking sick of it at around halfway through Madarame's dungeon.

>Literally no other JRPG has this problem
I'm sorry, what? Because I don't know what JRPGs you're talking about. I have no attachment to the protagonist compared to the other party members in most JRPGs because I control all of them in equal measure. P3 puts special emphasis on the protagonist in gameplay because you need to feel something when he literally fucking dies at the end. As compared to 4 and 5, where the only reason you feel any attachment to the protagonist is because every character except him acts like a complete retard.

>P5 even has a shitty randomly generated dungeon to fill that void
It's shitty because it doesn't resemble Tartarus in any way. Layouts are poorly randomized, just like in 4. The music never changes. The visuals never change. Enemies are mobs you've already fought in dungeons. Mementos is like a parody of Tartarus, complete with going down (into the trash) instead of up.

>every floor has a chance for a teleport pad
A chance, yes. And you have to put yourself at risk searching for it if you want to return to safety. And you'll lose the progress you made on that floor.
>with the guardians having a guaranteed one
Teleporting back doesn't revert being tired, and the floor bosses are generally the hardest in the game.
>even lets you return the highest floor you've been too in the dungeon
Yeah 4 is a game that sucks cock but I'm primarily talking 3 here. I was just asked to defend 4 for some reason.

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>I hate JRPGs, but rather than just accept that this is my personal taste I'll shit on everything else that's a normal JRPG while pretending like my subjective opinion is objective fact
I don't give a fuck if you have an attachment to certain characters or not because you're one (1) person. JRPGs as a genre have millions of fans, and no Mr. Fedora Man you are not some enlightened Buddha with wisdom bestowed upon you by the heavens here to tell the common masses what is good or bad. Stop pretending your opinions are facts and just play other games that appeal to you. I don't shit on fighting games just because I don't personally like them. Same thing.

>unironically being barry
>in the current year
HOES MAD

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I recommend going 3 before and then 4. The thing is that like others have mentioned, 5 has the best controls without a doubt and between 3 and 4, 3 is almost impossible to go back to sometimes just because of it. But I feel like going back to where the modern Persona games started is worth it
(Not saying you shouldn’t go back, Persona 2 Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment are godly)

So whether 3 or for is better is an opinion obviously, I prefer 4. I started with 3 and made my way up but saying the P3 characters are better is stretching it. I liked them but the development wasn’t as godly as people make it seem. In terms of story, I appreciate how dark P3 is so I can’t pick one. I’d only go with 4 since it’s my favorite of the two. Best waifu of 3 is Fukka and of 4 is well...anybody but Yukiko. I love her but everyone else is miles ahead.

In terms of actual help on playing them again, just remember that for both games to not remember to grind it out. It’s easy forgetting when you’re always doing social links, so take the time to level up. Plus P3 is the same as 5 where you should continuously go through the giant mystical dungeon throughout the game or else you’re gonna have a bad time

I’m with you! Nobody ever gives her love though she’s got my heart all the way

How do you even put 3 ahead of IS?

4 is pretty straight-forward, the only thing you really need to know is not to go after the strong shadows that appear in dungeons you've beaten until much later in the game.

For 3, just remember that Tartarus is meant to be unfair. Save before every boss because you can easily get fucked if you don't go in with the right party and the right strategy. MC level carries over into NG+ for that game, so grinding is a worthwhile investment. Also, don't date multiple girls at once, finish their Slink before moving on to the next one.