>While in theory anyone can be a victim of swatting, it’s a phenomenon particular to the tech and games industry. Numerous people have been injured because of swatting, and last year streamer Andrew Finch was fatally shot by a police officer in Wichita (the alleged perpetrator of the hoax call, Tyler Barriss, was arrested and is currently being held without bail on numerous charges).Even children are resorting to swatting rivals in popular competitive games such as Fortnite.
Why do people get so angry playing vidya so much so as they're willing to get someone killed over a literal game?
>be american >play video games >hear knock on door >open the door >get shot
can't make this stuff up
Connor Moore
>People who call as much attention to themselves as possible are surprised when assholes pay attention to them
Jackson Baker
>people in the public eye deserve to have people try to murder them
edgy
Cooper Rivera
There is a major difference between people in the public eye and people who literally try to get as many people as possible to watch and pay attention to them.
I still think this is a good idea
Zachary Jones
It's not a deserve thing, but you are significantly more likely to be targeted for assassination if you are a pubic figure, and as your renown increases so does your risk.
Asher Clark
In my day we just sent them pizzas. Even then we knew it didn't make a whole lot of sense, but it was funny at the time.
Nathaniel Jenkins
OP's quote mentions Andrew Finch who didn't even play video games. Also no one knocked on his door. it was literally >be american >open the door >get shot
Chase Martinez
You don't even have to open the door, the SWAT just bust it down and swarm into your house.
Colton Baker
There's a difference when fame comes with your occupation (politician, musician, etc) and when your career is nothing BUT getting attention (twitch whore, shock jockey, socialite). If you are literally begging people to pay attention to you, then you are getting what you asked for. If it's just a side effect of doing what you do for a living or for fun, then you can consider yourself a victim.
Joshua Jackson
If you know that he didn't open the door, then you also know they police stormed in without knocking. When the only information they have to go on is an anonymous tip, they have to take all precautions. Like it or not, the cop's priority will always be protecting themselves and bystanders, and not protecting the suspect.
Which is why this is such a problem and why we're reading an article about it. Because cops have a job to do and there's no easy way to handle these situations. If 9-1-1 gets a call about a male in a black shirt with brown hair, heavily armed and with improvised explosive devices, with 2 elementary school hostages -- you kick down the fucking door and start shooting the first faggot you see with brown hair and a black shirt on because an ID trigger can be wireless and concealed between 2 fingers. What the hell are you supposed to do? Just wait and see how it goes? Once he knows you're there, you have seconds to resolve the situation IF it's legit. And who knows if it is?
Xavier Jenkins
>he didn't open the door >police stormed in without knocking What the fuck are you even talking about, retard? He literally opened the door. Police didn't storm into his house until he was already dead. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Wichita_swatting
>and there's no easy way to handle these situations Yeah, there is. Because it literally doesn't happen anywhere else in the fucking world. Fucking amerimutts and their mental gymnastics.
Carson Gomez
>If 9-1-1 gets a call about a male in a black shirt with brown hair, heavily armed and with improvised explosive devices, with 2 elementary school hostages -- you kick down the fucking door and start shooting the first faggot you see with brown hair and a black shirt on because an ID trigger can be wireless and concealed between 2 fingers. What the hell are you supposed to do? Just wait and see how it goes?
Well, yeah? I think the first fucking line of the cop manual should be "don't shoot innocent people" and the second line should be "everybody is innocent unless they're pointing a gun at you and even then they might be innocent". You know not every 911 call is real, so you need to proceed with the understanding that the tipgiver might have been lying the whole time.
Carson Walker
>When the only information they have to go on is an anonymous tip, they have to take all precautions. The tip being from some anonymous nobody is MORE reason to try and be sure you aren't breaking into the home of and killing an innocent person, not less. What kind of country do you live in where police are obligated to shoot anyone that anybody says is a criminal, with no evidence or investigation?
Carter Evans
How is it okay for cops to kill you without even checking if you're dangerous or not?
I would charge them for murder.
Benjamin Cox
people are assholes
the real problem is our police have too much power
Isaac Baker
how're you gonna charge them if you're dead idiot
Grayson Wilson
Do Yank police not verify calls before just rocking up to a house and blasting everyone in sight?
Gabriel Hall
>it literally doesn't happen anywhere else in the fucking world
Are just an idiot? Everyone in the world does it the exact same way. Given the parameters, shoot to kill, ask questions later. There is always the chance they're wrong. And if you're implying this type of thing only happens in America, then LOL. Maybe related to gaming. But this shit happens everywhere with a phone line and police dispatch.
Eli Moore
>nobody blames trigger happy cops Typical bootlicking USA
>Well, yeah? I think the first fucking line of the cop manual should be "don't shoot innocent people" >"Well, y--" Boom, 2 hostages dead. Good thinking!
Xavier Gutierrez
>The tip being from some anonymous nobody is MORE reason And if they didn't act, people would hold the police department liable. Naturally, they'd get sued to oblivion. A few people would probably get fired. And the hostages would be dead, of course. The politicians that supported the police department would be lynched in the media.
There is NO choice. You have to treat every threat as a real threat and any police officer will tell you the exact same.
If you pull a foil-wrapped candy bar out of your pocket in front of a cop and they shoot you in the face, they are excused. Because it might have looked like a gun. This actually happened in Memphis a few years ago. Don't fuck with the police. They're not in on your little jokes. Someone will end up dead.
Landon Watson
They literally don't you stupid fucking retard. Only in America and third world hellholes does somebody calling the cops on you put you at significant risk of dying. In civilized countries the cops check the situation before they blow your head off.
Samuel Rivera
It's better for a million hostages to die than for cops to kill one innocent person.
Blake White
Do have any idea how sheltered you sound right now? Brazil. Pakistan, Cuba. Tibet. Chile. Mexico. 90% of the countries on the planet will sooner kill you than have to wait to see if you're a threat or not.
Isaac Williams
but the hostages may be innocent as well, you homo
>And if they didn't act, people would hold the police department liable.
Well good thing supreme court already ruled that police don't actually have to protect anybody.
Christian Gomez
I'm not saying they should just assume calls are fake and do nothing, they shouldn't waste a fucking second. The difference is I don't consider investigating a lead, promptly, with urgency appropriate given the risk, to be wasted time. That in and of itself is saving a life.
Wyatt Stewart
Doesn't matter. They were killed by the criminals. Criminals are always going to be killing innocent people, that's normal for them. What is NOT normal, or rather shouldn't be, is cops doing the same.
Jordan Morgan
No, but faith in the police is essential for maintaining order. Just because someone isn't bound by a law, doesn't mean it's fine to ignore good manners.
Aiden Bailey
>Given the parameters, shoot to kill, ask questions later. How fucking ignorant and retarded can you be? This trigger happy mentality exists literally only in America (and some shitholes like Brazil or Philippines). Your tiny brain just can't comprehend that in other countries police do not have special trainings where they are taught to instantly shoot disregarding everything.
Jaxson Torres
>There is NO choice. Yes there is. Don't use police, the city hires a private security team (ie. Blackwater) to handle it. If they screw it up, they get the blame and you hire a different contractor next time, and your police aren't at fault.
Hunter Smith
>faith in the police is essential for maintaining order
Faith in the police is lost the second the cops kill one innocent man. Avoiding that must be number one priority. It is better for innocent people to be killed by criminals, and the perp to get away, than for the cops to kill innocent people themselves. It's better for the cops to fail at their job than for them to do the literal exact thing they're supposed to make sure doesn't happen.
Dylan Lee
>90% of the countries on the planet will sooner kill you than have to wait to see if you're a threat or not. >this is what americans actually believe.
even in my shithole country where pigs are free to do whatever they want, you have try really fucking hard to get shot.
Asher Hall
you're right, in france and england they're taught to surrender their weapons to criminals if they have a skin tone more diverse than theirs, or if they can recite passages from the koran
Isaac Cooper
>getting called on by the cops is a death sentence now and the police cannot stop killing
>register myself >actually kidnap someone and keep them hostage at my house >now when some guy sees it and calls the cops they'll think its just some nerd trying to swat me and arrest him instead owned
Jonathan Butler
>police is essential for maintaining order. Police is there to protect ruling class from you. Protecting you from criminals is just a side effect.
Eli Hill
All the countries you listed are third world hellholes, amigo. When I say civilized countries I mean white Europe because that's the civilized countries in the world. And Europe does not handle it like that. There's a fucking video of some UK streamer getting swatted, and not only did he not get shot, the cops checked the situation properly and were overwhelmingly polite and despite probably not even having heard of the concept, understood the situation within like a minute and went away with a "sorry, carry on citizen". That's how things should work. If you're not an actual criminal, contact with police should pose zero risk to you.
Jace Price
Don't like someone? In the US apparently you can call to murder as easily as calling an uber
Jason Green
>there is a major difference between people in the public eye >and people who literally try to get as many people as possible to watch and pay attention to them user I think you have autism
Hunter Morales
Sorry, I am going to go out on a limb here and defend the American police during these type of events. When someone is "swated" the perpetrator is literally making claims that the victim is something like a terrorist or a crazed armed maniac who is armed and sometimes is even claimed to have a bomb with him. You cannot just be a member of the police and say "nah sorry that's bullshit, don't believe you". You have to take these calls 100% seriously and assume that the person that dials 911 is telling the truth. So, when these officers are breaking down doors holding a suspect at gunpoint, it is because their job necessitates when responding to an emergency, the situation is genuine and they are responding to an actual life or death emergency.
They're still gonna send cops to your place, they'll just knock on the door first instead of kicking it down.
Justin Morris
Reminder that the US is fucking massive and all the attempts to make it look like the entire country is falling apart conveniently leave out that most of their statistics and horror stories come from isolated areas such as NYC, Chicago, Atlanta, and the lawless hellhole known as California. All the rest is cherrypicking of freak accidents that are bound to happen. Meanwhile the majority of rest of the States are great, and no amount of european seething will change that.
>Faith in the police is lost the second the cops kill one innocent man. I would personally blame the media for any faith lost in the incident. Logically, it was a simple mistake. It happens. But the media gets a raging hardon when anything like this occurs and goes absolutely fucking nuts with tickers at the bottom of the TV screen, click-bait headlines on ever website they own (hundreds, btw), and they keep going for two fucking weeks non-stop until the story is milked dry on every channel by every news affiliate.
In reality, it actually wasn't that big of a deal. Just a "shit happens" sort of thing that rarely ever happens. But, it's SO easy for them to frame it any way they want, that they can't stop their board of directors and stockholders from demanding they milk it until it's dead.
THAT kills faith in police, and makes police less likely to hesitate the next time since "Who cares? They're going to fuck us in the papers anyway. Might as well do it the easy way"
Thomas Scott
i suppose that's why grooming gangs exist there. >ello chap, mind if i check out some tips that some chillren are bein kep ere gainst their will? >no? righty oh, g'day guvnah, keep the sounds of screaming down past evening hours, if you please
Ethan Evans
>Prevent people from calling swat teams for no reason >Instead of preventing the swat teams from beating the shit out of someone without any questioning or evidence
Ayden Scott
NYC is one of the "safer" cities, statistically. Crime has generally been going down.
Matthew Allen
>this is what non-Americans actually believe There's not nearly as many weird events of police shooting innocent people as you guys hear. It's our media jerking off for ratings. Most of the shootings you hear about end up being justified when they release the shoulder-camera footage a week later. By then everyone has already heard the "initial" story and it's too late to tell them the real one because they've moved on to the next bit of fake news.
Hunter Butler
>You have to take these calls 100% seriously and assume that the person that dials 911 is telling the truth. So, when these officers are breaking down doors holding a suspect at gunpoint, it is because their job necessitates when responding to an emergency, the situation is genuine and they are responding to an actual life or death emergency.
I agree with this line of thinking but at the same time however all you have to do in cases of people being Swatted is to check up on them by dialling the residence in question instead of blasting in first. A simple phone call up front en route would save valuable time and lives if someone answered and the anonymous tip and the reply on the phone didn't add up.
Zachary Foster
don't you have a cousin to go fuck, cleetus? resolving the civil war was a mistake. we should have let the south leave
Sebastian Sullivan
>burst into some nerd house >guns blazing >kill them >somehow its the prank callers fault the responding officer decided to ventilate a kid playing computer games
The people running the show are always more important than the actors. Just-off-the-bus-actors can be replaced much easier than seasoned casting directors. That's life. This should really come as no surprise. You'll get over it.
Cameron Davis
> durrrr when the police shoot innocent people it's no big deal, mistakes happen and he was probably just having a bad day You're fucking pathetic.
Easton Martinez
You're absolutely right. There are no citizens in 3rd world countries. We should ignore them and focus only on the 1st world.
Oliver Reyes
>Opt in >Actually do build a bomb/have some hostages >Police won't come because they trust me
Brandon Cook
It's also on the police to assess the situation accurately in the moment and not harm innocent people.
Liam Davis
it's both.
That call could be something important instead of some nerd trying kill another.
Lincoln Peterson
No, they won't. Police don't knock in a situation that is not contained. That means explosives, fire-arms, hostages, or anything of the sort. Your door is getting kicked down just as soon as they have the exits covered. You don't knock politely when you have reports of a crazed gunman with an 8 year old girl being held at gunpoint.
Jordan Jenkins
>cops have a job to do the job entails following due process which means that you need to verify a tip to establish probable cause. all of this is already covered in law, the cops just need to stop acting above it. this "registry" is in itself a farce which says "sign me up to help cops do their jobs correctly" when nobody should have to sign up for that.
another question that should follow from this is where people can sign up for "i'm not white but don't stop and search me on the street without lawful cause"
>What the hell are you supposed to do? Just wait and see how it goes? real world, manchild. tactical response time is about an hour. any situation that is happening is not going to change because you took an extra 5 minutes to assess what was really going on instead of charging in. if he took hostages then he wants to talk. otherwise he would have killed them an hour ago and fled or shot it out with the beat cops. stop playing video games.
Ryan Bailey
>it’s not that big of a deal >innocent man shot and killed for absolutely no reason by the very people whose job it is to protect him >the guy who shot him was on the other side of the fucking road and had absolutely no information on the situation - he didn’t even know if the caller was still on the phone. >Niece of the victim committed suicide out of grief >Two children left fatherless >Police won’t even release all the footage and the police report contains obviously false shit like “it looked like he was reaching for someghing”. Nah, fuck you.
Logan King
Why don't the SWAT teams do proper reconnaisance of the area? I mean, "kick the door down and hard charge in without examining the situation" sounds like the recipe for getting blown up by triggering an explosive wired to activate after kicking the door down.
Grayson Cooper
So getting shot for co-operating with office hairtrigger is fine because its "accidental"?
You do know no other police for in the western world turns up to a unknown situation with AR15s blazing right? And if they beat a suspect, even with good reason, they will be demoted if the don't lose their job.
Adam Hill
Did you miss the part where it said "that rarely ever happens"
Go pull up some statistics on how common it is for police to shoot innocents. Not clickbait that's proven to be bullshit a week later. But actual statistics. It's less than 1 per day (decimal). For the entire country of 360,000,000 people.
Leo Green
>You don't knock politely when you have reports of a crazed gunman with an 8 year old girl being held at gunpoint. youtube.com/watch?v=xDOqS0rAe8g
Mason Evans
not just that, fucking LOOK AT THE SITUATION! its not hard, its just that swat and cops are so fucking high strung that shit like this happens!
holy shit, why not rainbow 6 that shit and look around before you shoot, assholes!
Jack Sullivan
> he's pretending to be someone else agreeing with him Ohh yikes bro, you're a fuckin' joke lmao
Henry Stewart
>check up on them by dialling the residence in question Yes. Absolutely. Alert them to your knowledge of the situation and warn them that you're about to swing by ruin their party. Brilliant. Give them an extra 5 minutes to escape or dispose of the hostages in a murder/suicide.
Jacob Perry
That is fucking complete bullshit. I'm EOD in the Navy and have been apart of rapid response and Force protection (tldr basically auxiliary military police that mostly guard stuff or called when SHTF) and this is not at all how we think even in a "ticking time bomb" scenario
You can say the Navy is BS, but we are all told to only ever shoot when you have 100% identification and intent/mean to cause harm from day 1. Getting a call and shooting through a door where you cannot see the person is the complete opposite of that. Seeing police in full kit and with more equipment then even SOF playing wannabe solider is pretty fucking terrifying and I think a lot of this trigger happy behavior is because of that.
Joseph Miller
> relax, only one person in the country gets murdered for no reason by the police per 48 hour period, it's no big deal They should fuckin' shoot you next bitch. Don't worry, though bro, nobody will care this time lmao
Henry Collins
We live in an age where a person can have a phone on their person at all times. Swat teams can be at the venue in question and all set up to come in if needed before placing the call.
Jose Hill
>you need to verify a tip to establish probable cause. No you don't, armchair lawyer. There's different expectations during emergencies or unforeseen events.
Joshua Hall
Not the situation, you dumb fuck. But the idea of accidental shootings. They never happen. Almost all of them are later proven justified. There's several posts in the thread about it already.
Isaac Young
>they'd get sued to oblivion. >If Americans didn't had this entitelment to sue everyone cops would not be so trigger happy >If Americans didn't had this entitelment to sue everyone hospital would no be obliged to do every single study and thus skyrocketing healthcare cost You retards are in a home because you wanted to.
Benjamin Campbell
You’re fucking retarded. In the case in question the person who called police CLAIMED to be the gunman. He initiated contact with the police.
Hudson Ramirez
In the US there has actually been a steady increase in the usage of SWAT Forces for situations where there was no reasonable need for such an overwhelming display of force for instances like a 90 year old dude with some overdue parking fine forgets about it.
Elijah Gomez
> the police should have carte blanche to kick in doors and shoot people and their dogs all day because bad things happen sometimes Fuckin' embarrassing.
Angel Jenkins
>are you a terrorist? >no >ok
Andrew Perry
That's asinine for you to settle for "cops killing innocent civilians rarely happens" over a more preferrable "cops killing innocent civilians never happens".
Xavier Ross
>You do know no other police for in the western world turns up to a unknown situation with AR15s blazing right? You do know no other police force is up against citizens that a cabinet full of semi-automatic weapons and/or hunting rifles, right? It's not like cops are drafted, either. They chose their career.
Kayden Adams
OPs example is fucking Kansas
Kevin Nelson
americans are fucking fascinating one hand screaming about potential government oppression but also very willing to bootlick the shit out of cops, even go as far as justifying them killing innocent people is it because of fear?
Connor Brooks
the point was your all dumb fucks that thing thousands of innocent people are getting gunned down in the streets by by cops every day, then you move the goalposts when called out on it
Samuel Morris
Why don't the police just not burst into a residential address guns blazing based off the tip of a 13 year old?
Colton King
>Yes. Absolutely. Alert them to your knowledge of the situation and warn them that you're about to swing by ruin their party. Brilliant. Give them an extra 5 minutes to escape or dispose of the hostages in a murder/suicide.
Do you like have no semblance of tact user? Use your brain user, they can clearly ring up and pretend to be a telemarketer or pretending to ring a wrong number to get a background recording of the call. This can easily be done without tipping anyone off. If the record of a person who lives at the house is named Steve but you ask for a Matthew and there's no known record of a Matthew at that residence someone answering "Yes this is Matthew" or "No there's no Matthew at this residence" makes all the fucking difference in the world.
