Find a flaw

tora was okay and i was actually somewhat relieved when vandham died as he has one of the most fuck ugly designs i've seen in vidya. i didnt want to see that the whole game i'd agree with most of the rest of this, except i'd add that rex looks terrible 100% of the game. also not enough /m/ and no cosmetic armors.

>Find a flaw.
You don't have to, the game practically shoves them in your face.
Love the game, but boy is it rough in so many spots. It would've benefited from some more development time for sure, and even that wouldn't fix everything.

The villains were pretty terrible in general.
Other than Malos, their motives boil down to wanting to destroy the entire planet and kill everyone because a bad thing happened in their lives once.
And Malos is "I'm just evil because the guy who awakened me is a dick"

And don't forget Jin suddenly revealing he has absolutely OP shit like light-speed and particle manipulation. Couldn't take that seriously.

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The gameplay. Auto attacking makes it feel so fucking boring

>Find a flaw.

It's not Perfect Works, but it refers to a lot of it and I like it just the same.

This is a huge problem early game, at least in the other Xenoblade games you can move around while auto-attacking and don't move at snails pace while in battle.
I also preferred the Art system of Xenoblade 1/X which had more varied effects and time based cooldown instead of auto-attack based cooldown, while in 2 all that matters are driver combos and healing - the other arts you just hit immidietely for damage and switch to the next blade.

But the voice acting is some of the best in the industry.

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I personally felt like the villains were the best the series has had to offer in over a decade.

*English voice acting since dipshits in this thread want to pretend this user isnt talking about the English dub

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This.

meanwhile the ENG dub is nothing but literal whos

The dialogue writing sure doesn't reflect that one bit.

Performances are fine in the dub. Direction and lip synch suck ass though that much is true.

My fokin god! English voice acting is S H I T!

Great game, but there were many flaws
>Rushed dub with zero voice direction
>Most Rare Blades are tied to gacha rolls, all of them should have been tied to sidequests
>Poor performances in handheld mode
>Shitty character design for Rex
>Launched with game-crashing bugs
>Affinity is a grind
>Very poor tutorialization and they don't even let you re-read the tutorials
>No Dromarch with his sleep bonnet on alt skin, no Blade Nia skin for Driver Nia and vice-versa, no Salvager Suit Nia and Rex skins
>Ursula's quest
>Vess' dumplings
>Having to swap Blades constantly for field checks
>Can't keep Vandham in your party in NG+
>No Malos or Jin as a Blade in NG+
>Post-NG+ title screen pandering to Niafags instead of featuring the entire party
>Aion being a rather underwhelming final boss with wonky hurtboxes

- One of the worst combat systems ever in a JRPG
- Braindead easy
- Puke-inducing characters with anime mannerisms and anime """humor"""
- One of the worst UIs I've ever seen, period.
Good soundtrack and cool world design though.

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The villains had the same motivations as Klaus and Zanza: this world is a shit so let's erase it.

Oh man, shouty shounen anime voice acting... Wow, I'm SO impressed, I'm speechless...

Agreed with all of this

It’s still my second favorite Switch game, and it took Smash to topple it

Zanza was an end of game villain who's motive is to recreate the world and continue controlling all as a god.
The Xenoblade 2 villains just want to kill everyone and die too, with the story acting like they are sympathetic. Egil was far superior.

The first 20-30 hours. The rest was quite good.

Switch exclusive

Still infinitely better than JOIN ME!

Nice comparion!

Rest of the speech was good until that too...

I think the dub is more mixed than outright horrible but man does the screaming not land. At least not until the later chapters.

Malos and Rex screaming in the final chapter goes unrecognized in the English dub

The real problem with XB2's story is that its core themes are actually dark/depressing as hell but for some reason Takahashi thought dressing it up it in nostalgic anime wrapping paper was a good idea. What ended up happening is that 90% of the "actual" plot is buried under layers of vague subtext, most of which is crammed at the end. It makes it far too easy to assume the story is at best laughably straightforward or at worst nonsensical.

It's not Xenoblade Chronicles X for the Nintendo Wii U

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Love this game so much, but it's grindy as fuck for certain things

Clean out your ears, fag

The English VA isn't all that bad except for Rex. You'd expect better from such a big production, though... really the only standout was Zeke.

Malos is a highlight too

Based valid critique poster

>The real problem with XB2's story is that its core themes are actually dark/depressing as hell but for some reason Takahashi thought dressing it up it in nostalgic anime wrapping paper was a good idea.
That was almost certainly a business decision.

>Not enough anyone that isn't Pyra/Mythra/Pneuma/Nia art
Now you're right

This game could really use a sequel to iron out the original's flaws.
Can't just make a game engine this good and only use it once.

I can't. It was the best game I've played in the last 5 years.

X2 would make me so happy

Why the fuck would you use English voices when the Jap dub is a free download?

No, it's a mix Takahashi's nostalgia boner and parent complex. He admitted he wanted to make a game that harkened back to the feelings he felt watching anime as a wee lad so his kid could experience those same feelings.

>What ended up happening is that 90% of the "actual" plot is buried under layers of vague subtext, most of which is crammed at the end. It makes it far too easy to assume the story is at best laughably straightforward or at worst nonsensical.
If you read the Iwata Asks for the original Xenoblade, it seems like what you're talking about was initially an issue with it as well - the writers weren't really thinking about whether the points they were trying to make would be clear or make a ton of sense to someone who wasn't already intimately familiar with the overarching plot and characters like they were, and Yurie Hattori apparently played a role in telling them when things weren't clear or didn't make sense.

Xenoblade 2 runs on the same engine, so technically they've used it twice already

It's just so repetitive? I am 24 hours in, going into Rex's home but I keep quitting every 20 minutes. There is no power progression in sight because of how fucked up power increasing is in this game, you need to complex a bunch of arbitrary conditions that just feel like having dozens of miniquests active at once

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He said the same thing about Xenoblade 1, though, albeit with shounen manga.

agreed
the least they could do is port it to the switch so the XC2 plebeians can try out a real game

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gacha system
random order of obtaining rare blades was a fine idea
non-rare blades existing, and getting so many of them that you need to use discard them, was not

I think XB2 is more lighthearted(tonally) than XB1 while being more thematically complex. It's the same situation but magnified

Character designs are a massive flaw.

No that's a matter of taste. You had one job.

About 7 hours in and the only thing that really bothers me is how unresponsive the buttons are when navigating the world. Or am i just dumb and it really takes 2 button presses to open chests and what not (except sometimes it doesn't)?

One press to open and another to confirm the item you got if it's a quest item, otherwise just one press.

I like XC2

That said, I’ve had the itch to replay X for months and that involves hooking up my Wii U and finding my gamepad, then I know that when I get a ways in they’ll announce a port

If you want to look at them that way, you can. But I think that's vastly oversimplifying their motivations.
I keep seeing people claiming that Jin's motivation is "I want to destroy the world because my girlfriend died", but that ignores all his issues with the blade/driver system, the architect's role in creating such a flawed system and doing nothing as humans abuse it, and what he sees as the inevitable victory of humanity's worst elements over the few good people that try to improve things.
Lora's death might've pushed him over the edge (though even then I'm pretty sure the implication isn't meant to be that he went 100% fuck humanity mode the second she died, but slid further and further into despair afterwards, then ran into Malos at a point where he was in the perfect mindset to adapt the "yeah, let's kill everyone" way of thinking), but his problems with the world were forming before that point.
Amalthus and Malos are similar - the flashbacks make it clear that after his mother's death, Amalthus tried to help people and didn't immediately give up on the world. He saw how the people he helped would turn around and become just as terrible as the people who killed his mother, started hating the world and wondering why the architect would let it languish in such a horrible state, tried to get answers and instead got a reflection of his own hate that he interpreted as the will of god.
Malos is 'evil because his driver is evil' in the sense that his instincts naturally lead him to destroy humanity and the world, but he's got a lot of depth beyond that. I think a lot of people miss the point that, similar to Pyra and Mythra finding their own reason to love the world and want to protect it beyond the duty they were originally awakened for, meeting Jin and the other members of Torna gave Malos a reason to actually have a personal stake in what he's doing, and humanized him a lot (similar to the character development Mythra went through in TTGC).

>then I know that when I get a ways in they’ll announce a port
Well fucking get on it then because I want a port.

>then I know that when I get a ways in they’ll announce a port
So go for it faggot. I don't even have a wii u so I actually need that port. Make it happen bitch. Go right fucking now please.

Kinda want to replay W101 too...

Fuck it, I’ll dig around for my game pad today

yeah same
I still boot up my wii u and fly around for a bit from time to time.

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It's not XCX2

Godspeed.

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Wowzers....

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I can't, there are none.

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another brainlet who thinks Jin is evil because of Lora filtered

>Hattori
Quick reminder the Zohar was supposed to appear at the end of XC1, but they didn't go with it because Hattori cockblocked Takahashi (and admittedly, because that would confuse the new players)

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>english voice acting varies widely in quality
>some of the animations are awful, the walking ones especially with characters just stopping like they hit a wall
>way too anime, a literal pssh nothing personal moment and a tsundere and yandere girl for the protag
>win in game, lose in cutscene occurs during every fucking boss fight
It isn't the worst game, but it has flaws.

Not enough good ass

>yandere
The only yandere in the game is Asami, which anyone could roll.

Not him, but as a guy that loves big muscle men I hated Vandham. His design was god awful and he looked like a walking barrel

Oh wait never mind, I finished the rest of your post and it turns out you're a Dunkey autist that never played the game, sorry I gave you a (You)

game would be better without the merc system, but it is a nice way to level alt blades

That's actually the part of the interview I'm talking about. I know people interpret 'previous knowledge' as 'knowledge of the previous Xeno games', but considering the full context of the quote, isn't it more reasonable to assume that it's referring to story details in XB1 that hadn't been explained properly and were only clear to the writers in that version of the ending? He's not saying that only older players would understand it, he's saying that it was referencing "things that people know nothing about". If it was the Zohar, obviously a bunch of people would pick up on what it was.

Jin didn't "suddenly" reveal his OP powers he used it right from the beginning to destroy Rex, and Haze, they even state that he is extremely powerful many times. He probably only went all out because he had the rest of Torna there to carry his ass back to the Monoceros if he weakened himself by using too much of his power.

It ends.

>Bumping at page 10
Why do you guys always do this?

I just thought of another flaw: no onscreen sex scene between Zeke and Pandy.

Ending felt forced. Like, what was the point of drama right before the end cutscene?

What's the problem?

The thread is shit and doesn't deserve to live.

Well, now that there's an active thread for this...
I remember seeing pics of Smash Mythra in game, is that free or paid dlc? If it's free, how do you use it?

The game looks and runs like an android game.

It's free. It's an aux core you get from a nopon in Argentum/that one village with the huge crater in the starting area of Torna.

Just like you then?

Epic

free in both torna and base game. It's the best aux core you can get on her

You set yourself up for that m8, I couldn't hold back.

/thread

>Great artistic talent.
>Is a fucking fujoshi.
Is not fair.

waifufags absolutely SEETHING

all the blades should have been obtained through sidequests instead of gachashit

even though I prefer the dub, the voice actors needed actual direction (they were just handed the script)

There's lots of flaws but it's still an amazing experience

More like, there's a lot of amazing moments, but it's still a flawed experience.

It's a 6/10 after two 10/10 masterpieces.

>anyone other than 1 person ever talking about anything but Pyra or Nia when it comes to waifus
Nice that your own fanbase lives in shit taste unity

Rex

Takahashi's wording don't leave much to interpretation though. "There were things that seemed perfectly clear to us, but which were actually tricky to understand for players who didn't have previous knowledge". It's clear he's referecing things related to older Xeno games, things that would be perfectly clear for older players, but definitely not new ones. And considering the end of XC2, it only adds to that theory.

it runs like shit in portable mode

Captain Rex here. You called?

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In that case how would Xenoblade 2 be any different? the overwhelming majority of it's players are secondaries, and you never see them complaining about not understanding.

>he posts the most weeb response
Of course you pick moonspeakers

>Find a flaw.
No PC port, that was easy.

The Japanese dub is great, and the English one is pretty good too, only really hampered by Rex having weak screams and cries, and Nia's voice often not matching her character's expressions much. Have them redub certain key scenes with better voice direction while also reanimating lip sync to match the english voices the the dub would be pretty great.

The only real complaints I have with the game are:
>Gacha ass core grinding to pad out time
>Subpar resolution despite the system's capabilities
>Menu navigation sucks ass
>WE ARE... URSULA'S NEW GROOVE
>AND WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN
Other than that, I enjoy the game greatly. Anyone whining about the dub consists of nothing but people who never willingly choose the dub in video games if they don't have to, and so their opinions don't really matter.

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Because XC2 detailed what the Zohar (or "Conduit") is and how it works so new players can understand what it represents. If the Zohar just appeared at the end of 1 to remake reality, newcomers would have just went "the fuck was that about?"

Xenoblade 2 is a different case. Monolith was in a totally different position back then. After the failure of Xenosaga, Disaster doing... not disasting numbers but not much either, they HAD to make a successful good game. And it's even more true since they had to prove themselves to Nintendo. Plus, it's pretty clear Nintendo had its say in Xenoblade 1, with Hattori and that other Nintendo guy working closely with them and overseeing things, so they couldn't do whatever they wanted either. I know if i were in Takahashi's position, for my very first project monitored by Nintendo after they bought my studio, I wouldn't try to do Xenosaga again, that's for sure. Current Monolith is in a totally different position now, and they likely have much more freedom, only confirmed by the fact Nintendo let them almost double their size in only a few months. Which is huge.

>or "Conduit"
So it's not the Zohar, you faggot.

It literally is the Zohar, they just named it something else. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

>Because XC2 detailed what the Zohar (or "Conduit") is and how it works so new players can understand what it represents
not really, we only know the gist of it. We don't know how it works exactly or the higher being associated with it, the explanation given by Klaus could have easily been given by Alvis

A reused plot device doesn't mean it's the same thing

>Ursula complaint
She's one of the 5 or so blades I never managed to roll, no idea if that's good because I missed that shit, or bad because it's harde to get to lvl 5 merc rank which is what I'm waiting for before I save after finishing the game and start NG+

Call it the Zohar or the Conduit, whatever its name, it's still a God plot Device with the same shape and color and unlimited powers relevant to every Xeno before

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And it's there only to excuse shitty writing, it's a terrible plot device.

It's not hard to do her affinity chart so much as it is just really fucking tedious. Took me a few days of constant sitting around and letting my Switch idle while I pressed the A button a few times every 5-15 minutes or so.

>original release
all of those are fixed now

>gacha system
You can literally beat the game with common blades, and some of the rare blades are weaker than commons. You also get enough powerful rare blades via non gatcha means for a full party on everyone.

>field skills
While the worst part of the game, they aren't as bad as most people make them out to be. All story relevant field skill checks are on blades freely given to you by the main story that you should be using anyway. Merc missions exist almost entirely to allow you to easily and passively boost your blade's skill trees without having to actively level them, so that you have a huge pool of leveled up HM slaves to pull out whenever you need them.

>Tora's blade progression
The ether crystals mostly serve to make Poppi OP, she is strong enough with minimal tiger tiger play, and getting QTpie makes her broken without having to do any Tiger Tiger

>tutorials
This is the one, true, major failing of the game. That combined with the fact that it keeps many mechanics arbitrarily locked until later. Mythra and Pneuma are fine and make sense from a story perspective, but why is the party limited on the number of blades they can equip for such a big chunk of the game? Why are blade combos restricted so much for so long? Why can't Rex topple until chapter 3? These are the true flaws of the game.

>UI
It is fine and miles better than the UI in 1 and X

>story and anime
Every Xenoblade game is like that buddy. Xenoblade 1 is the most shallow, while Xenoblade X is probably the deepest, but it is executed horrifically poorly- and that drains all of the energy out of it's story.

how do turboweebs memorize all these voice actors

or I guess a better question is why

I can't hear you over the sound of XC2's dick in your mouth.

What a brilliant comeback, you sure showed him!

>PC users are port-begging the port-beggars
what a time to be alive

I showed you, actually.
Since you're him.

Replace the Zohar by Crystals, or Mana, or Dragon balls, or Infinity Stones, or ZPM Modules or whatever, it's basically the same shit. And there's nothing wrong with an infinite source of energy/power in your plot. Especially when said source of energy is actually related to the beginning of the universe and God. Xeno do it right, actually.

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I didn't beg for it, just found a flaw.

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Notice how in all you're examples, there's multiple power sources that need to be collected to be of any use, and not just one magic "fix-all" item?

I'm surprised no one posted the webm

Not in all my examples, no, actually. And even if you have to get like three parts to make it a fix-it-all item, it's literally the same. I don't see anyone sperging at pic related, yet the Zohar is literally the same thing.

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Because the Triforce does jackshit in Zelda.

What does it changes?
And Saga had the Emulators

>Gearsboomers once again pretending their shitty irrelevant EVA ripoff was worth playing because of a 5 second reference to it in a cutscene

SPWP

Now you're just shitposting.

The Saga games were also shit, nobody cared about this shitty series until the Blade games saved it.

I like X and 2.
2 is a more polished, well rounded, and complete experience.
X is a better video game.

That really is what it boils down too. X has more and better content, and more depth. Unfortunately it is hindered by many critical flaws that stack up- the facial animations and cutscenes are worse than fucking Mass Effect Andromeda. The story feels incredibly incomplete, even ignoring the intentional cliffhanger ending. The gameplay is good, but is so easily broken in like 15 different ways that you will find that most of the combat will be boring you to tears as you one shot everything to grind for gear that you could use to one shot bigger things. The boss fights range from laughably easy to stupidly difficult- but only difficult because you need to grind for better gear or augments (level grinding is largely inconsequential, gear makes the major difference here). The menus are horrible, with fonts way to small to take notice. Finding Heart to Hearts is a pain, requiring you to randomly run around the city hoping to find the location, or use a wiki. Some quests are the same- asking you to find items without any hints or directions for where those items could be found. The game is saved by it's large quantity of strong side content, it's exploration, and it's core systems. Everything ancillary to that is horrid though. Also, the game has a draw distance of like 5 feet for anything that isn't the environment.

>original driver feared her until the very ending
>was married with a kid coming too
>second driver bonded and started developing feelings for her alternate version before she even returned
>it's obvious through the whole game he loved Pyra instead of her
>even his mom gave Pyra her blessings for them to marry
Well, no worries, they are the same per-
>ending separates the two

Name a more cucked character in video games.

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>The Triforce does jack shit in Zelda
You couldn't have outed yourself harder if you tried. The Triforce is the reason for everything that occurred in the Zelda timeline. From Ganon entering the Realm of Light and stealing a piece, to Link and Zelda continually saving Hyrule. Just because it isn't active 100% of the story doesn't mean it's useless. I mean shit, look at th Zohar. Does it appear most of the time outside of important situations?

But it literally doesn't, the only time where the triforce's wish ever really mattered was A Link Between Worlds, every other time a wish was made, which was like 3 other times, it was a generic "Save the world" wish, which Link was gonna do anyway, so it's debatable if it even was the wish that made him succeed.

Threesome is canon and I named Pneuma Mythra anyway so it was her name getting tossed around in the ending

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torna is better

>better UI
lmao NO

>field skills
>deflecting to the story ones instead of countering the point that they are overall poor and require menuing constantly

>gacha
>saying the base game is beatable with the bare minimum
>AKA once again not actually tackling the real issue

faggot

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Ganondorf being powerful enough to enter the world of light is far more impressive than anything the triforce gave him. It's also a known fact he was chosen to use it since the beginning, it was fate, not the triforce itself.

Did you forget the Wishes Ganon made with it? it literally changed the world, reshaped reality. Much like the Conduit did in XC2 and XC1, by the way. Did you start playing Zelda like 5 years ago?

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Chump change

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Wasn't the Dark World an entirely separate world and not the orignal?

You forgot.
>Her first shota was killed.

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Stop using this hypothetical story-only playthrough of the game to defend some of its biggest flaws. Yes, you can skip most of the Blade gacha and Field Skill checks if you just focus on beating the main story, but who the fuck is gonna gonna buy this game and spend that little time on it? They would be missing out on like 70% of its content. It's not how the game is meant to be played. Monolith Soft expected the average player to spend most of their playthrough doing side quests and grindy open world shit. If they didn't, they wouldn't have dedicated months of DLC content to supplement those.

>It is fine and miles better than the UI in 1 and X
Bullshit. Equipping and organizing your party suck because almost every important detail you have to consider is on a separate menu screen and requires tons of browsing back and forth between them.

>Merc missions exist almost entirely to allow you to easily and passively boost your blade's skill trees without having to actively level them
Yeah, you only have to wait around and waste time while those missions are being done!

>so that you have a huge pool of leveled up HM slaves to pull out whenever you need them
Which are a pain in the ass to organize because there's no way to group Blades by elemental masteries and you'll often find yourself having to disband your combat party all for the sake of clearing one obstacle in the middle of a quest or dungeon.

How many times do we have to talk about the same shit, with the same exact images, and the same exact responses? What do you even have to gain from these threads?

Well, I'll admit my memory could be fuzzy about that. But Link himself definitely did make a wish to the Triforce at the end to fix it all

faggot

They really should have stayed as Pneuma.

PONYTAILS

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I don't think it needed to be fixed, I'm pretty sure the Dark World still exists, considering it comes up in other games, and IIRC the sages save the world at the end like in OoT.

>Which are a pain in the ass to organize because there's no way to group Blades by elemental masteries and you'll often find yourself having to disband your combat party all for the sake of clearing one obstacle in the middle of a quest or dungeon.
Huh? Unless you're talking about something else, you can just sort by the field skill you want and see all the blades that have it.
This.

>deflecting to the story ones instead of countering the point that they are overall poor and require menuing constantly

How do they require menuing constantly when there are like a total of 5 per titan that aren't easily and automatically cleared by your default blades that you always have on you (focus/leaping/wind mastery/water mastery/Nopon Wisom - all given to you by Pyra/Mythra/Roc/Dromarch/Poppi/Wulfric) Of the 5 or 6 per titan that don't fall under those core blades that you have, you should be able to clear them up easily on a mid to late game revisit to earlier areas. Yes, they are annoying and the worst part of the game, it is actually pretty incredible that you are saying I am deflecting when I straight up started my talk about field skills with "while they are the worst part of the game,"

Answer my question.
I've seen that same image with the dumb cuck meme, and same reply with shotacon meme like 10 times now, I'm sick of this, the game literally has nothing else to discuss, and should be sent to /vg/.

But think of the poor waifushitters that would cry over the ending.

It becomes the Sacred Realm again at the end
>Link makes a wish to the Triforce to undo all of Ganon's evil deeds, which also restores the Dark World to its original form as the Sacred Realm.

at least 70% of the posts bringing up the shotacon thing with milton are that one ESL guy who keeps spamming the shitty crossover art, he's fucking obsessed

We were discussing parallels between its main plot device and similar plot-devices used in other games though.

I'm fairly certain you go back to the Dark World in one of the Four Swords games.

>Bullshit. Equipping and organizing your party suck because almost every important detail you have to consider is on a separate menu screen and requires tons of browsing back and forth between them.

What the fuck are you talking about? Relevant blade/character stats are always in the bottom right hand corner of the screen when equipping and accessorizing shit. You can even filter which information you want to see with L and R. You can also sort shit in any of the menus, filter shit out by stat, effects, element, ect.

>yeah, you only have to wait around and waste time while those missions are being done
Well, you said it yourself, I'll just quote you: "They would be missing out on like 70% of its content. It's not how the game is meant to be played. Monolith Soft expected the average player to spend most of their playthrough doing side quests and grindy open world shit. If they didn't, they wouldn't have dedicated months of DLC content to supplement those."

You have plenty of stuff you should and could be doing while your blade quests are going on.

>Which are a pain in the ass to organize because there's no way to group Blades by elemental masteries
yeah there is, you can sort and group blades by element, weapon type, or any fucking field skill. Are you retarded?

I actually liked Mythra's characterization in Torna since it essentially explained her bratty attitude. Not only that, but the ending where she wipes out Torna with Siren and creates Pyra out of mental trauma is almost certainly a callback to
>Fei destroying Lahan with Weltal
>Fei's childhood trauma being a result in the creation of ID
After all these years, Takahashi still can't let Gears go. I don't know if this is a good thing, or a bad thing.

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At least the Zelda discussion is something different, it's always the same shit here, these threads need to be carried on stuff like comparing it to other games just to stay alive, all the successful threads anymore usually have a P5 vs XC2 war, or about JRPGs in general.

>It's good because it references boomercore
Fuck off Grandpa.

The Persona 5 shit didn't happen until recently though. You'll see even more when Royal releases.

I don't care, it won't be sent there.
Cope.

Does this screenshot happen in Torna?

You seem obsessed. I simply like the callback to the series roots, nothing more. Secondly, I'm 23.

The mods will force you there eventually.

It happens in XC2, should be Ch.8 if I recall right

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>Younger than me and obsessed with boomer trash
That's pretty sad.

>The mods will force you there eventually.
>2 years later
>"T-The mods will force you there since my shitposting won't!"
>Meanwhile DMC5 threads, Smash Ultimate, and Sekiro threads continue to be posted almost daily (albeit these are newer games, but you get my point)
No.

I must of missed then, maybe I would of warmed up to her if I saw it then

That's because people finally realized P5 WAS better than XC2 in every way imaginable.

Have a nice day user.

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Aren't you bored, Eric?

I see less DMCV threads these days, and Smash is still going strong because it's autistic fanbase literally spend all their time looking for speculation and leaks on the DLC characters.

Who the fuck is Eric?
Are you that guy obsessed with an imaginary boogeyman?

It happens when Amalthus starts taking control of all Blades and Titans in Chapter 8

>not calling her Mythra in land of morytha to let her know you care

Faggt

I've played both but I enjoyed XC2 way more than P5
Don't speak for everybody, faggot

Yes he is. I actually managed to blow him out and shut him up yesterday.

Real shame that the fanboys become just as bad as the haters.

That's your opinion, but the objective fact is that P5 is better.

>the fanboys become just as bad as the haters
That's good, because that was my plan from the start.

But I don't.
Pyra was better in every way.

This

Some shitty confidants, half assed arcs like Madarame and Morgana leaving, and shit palace design towards the end hold Persona 5 back. Xenoblade 2 has its fair share of issues too, but the open exploration of it caters more to my taste.

They’re both different kinds of JRPG.

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And that's your taste, the truth is, more people like P5 than XC2, you're a minority.

I was criticizing mercenary missions AS side content. They waste your time and feel unproductive to sit through, especially when you find yourself gated in a bunch of side quests due to Field Skill deficiencies or some other shit that prevents you from making ample progress in the game. A lot of the side content in Xenoblade 2 is like that. You have to unlock a whole bunch of shit via tedious grinding and/or questing and get into this annoying loop of picking up a quest, getting to the midpoint, then dropping it to grind up some field skill or start some related mercenary mission, or salvage some item, or what have you. It gets really boring after a while, which is why I didn't spend more than 160 hours on this game.

Was he right to fear Mythra?

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>Pyra is sweet and caring
>Game pushes Rex with Pyra the whole fucking game
>once you meet Mythra, she's the biggest bitch in the world
>even in sidequests or when Rex shows concern, she's still a cunt
I wasn't hard to choose Pyra over Mythra

Yes, she was shitty waifubait in a game with actual cool characters.

P5 is mediocre.
Only a newfag to the series would say it is good, let alone better than XB2.
It played as safe as a fucking Pokémon game to the point it was basically P4-II, especially now with the Royal shit like the mascot turning into a human or the new girl being part of the gang from the very beginning.

Not enough Nopon master race!

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No gacha, it's still better.

Who's she talking about, Yea Forums?

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Turtes

Yes, with just a trigger she went blank and sank a whole titan with thousands living in it.
Rex's recklessness along with a tamer version of Mythra made it work, but that was short of a miracle. Had it been Mythra from the start everything would be fucked.

Are you after joke/meme aswers or the genuine one?
Because the real one is Turters

>They waste your time and feel unproductive to sit through

your not supposed to sit through them. You just toss your abundance of common blades into it so that it turns them into good HM slaves. If you start doing this when the game teaches you about it, then you should NEVER have to worry about a field skill check cock blocking you.

You have other shit to do while the merc quests are going.

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Real talk though, he was better than any villain in XC2.

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Malos was great though

>You have other shit to do while the merc quests are going.
Yeah, like salvage, play Tiger! Tiger!, fill out affinity charts, or do other boring, grindy bullshit. So much fun.

I was expecting a mix of both. But all the answers being serious is kinda funny in its own way.

>le shouting nihilism man

>Better than Malos
No

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You know, but you have to post this same imagine and question every thread, because like the others, you refuse to go to /vg/.

Side quests are boring trash with shitty writing, graphics are shit. Other than that I really enjoyed the game, probably my favorite Switch game.

Literally a 15-year-old myspace user tier character.

It's pretty bog average.

>It was completely retarded, I hated it
>10/10

I don't know why people keep comparing P5 to XC2 outside of them obviously being anime centric JRPG's. The truth is, they both tackle things very differently and shouldn't even be put in the same vein. P5 appeals to a greater audience despite being an anime because it takes place in high school and has a somewhat grounded/realistic plot if you put aside the usage of Persona's and the realm of Cognition. Outside of that though, the story telling is rather poor around the halfway mark and the gameplay is overly simplistic. It gets love from it's "style over substance" visuals to awe people. I personally enjoyed XC2 more for the sole reason that it continued what XC1 started in terms of having a huge world that you can explore, despite the story being questionable. Either way though, I'm just happy that JRPG's are more and more successful in today's era.

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Cope.

2

>Cope
Cope

My favorite game of the past decade.

I just wish the side blades weren't 'side' and more like main characters. Such good/fun designs being optional doesn't sit well with me

Because people like to start debates where it doesn't warrant it

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It's a shame you can't go to that giant spire in the middle of Tantal. All the concept art in the artbook made it seem like there was going to be more to explore.
>Entire character boils down to abusing his power because his ego was destroyed after going from a renowned medalist in the Olympics to becoming a basic high school teacher
There's not much depth to his character. People wank the ever living shit out of Kamoshida's Palace and overall arc, when Futaba's Palace and arc are easily more immersive.

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The moment the 2 came on screen right after the writer said he wanted to do something different, I knew Xenoblade sold out.

There's nothing for me to cope.
XB2 threads are here to stay lmao.

Do you think Kamoshida isn't realistic?

>this same imagine
What did the ban-evading phoneposter mean by this?

Correction, Xenoblade threads are here to stay. Sadly, because of how XC2 gets torn apart as a joke because of regurgitated memes like "Japanese humor", I doubt the threads in the future will ever be the same again. XC3 would be the greater JRPG in the past decade, but because of XC2 getting memed to death and even more casuals flooding the fandom, things won't be the same.

I don't know, your post sounds pretty copey

Who are you quoting?

>XC2 gets torn apart as a joke because of regurgitated memes like "Japanese humor"
Yeah, we need hilarious XC2 fan aproved memes, like minge.

I never said he wasn't realistic. What makes him so realistic is the fact that there's likely thousands of teachers, let alone people who abuse their influence in the workplace and make people suffer because of it. He's a realistic character, I just grow tired of how much people wank his arc. It was a good start to the game, however.

>Can't like a game without acknowledging it's flaws
Are you the same kind of retard who accuses everyone who criticizes BotW of being a consolewarring Ps4 owner?

Certainly not, because BotW is the most overrated Switch title and I'd never defend it.

>Game is overrated to the media
>That means it's strictly shit to me and I won't defend it even though I haven't even played it
Why do people think like this? This board has rotted your brain.

>villains exist just so you can feel good punching them into oblivion!

But I have played it, it's a crappy empty game that fell for the western open world meme, it's pretty much Zelda in name only, there's not even real dungeons.

>If you don't like BotW you never played it
Ah, the classic BotW drone "argument"

Very true.

Yes actually, I'm sick of this "Every single villain ever needs a tragic sob story or they're shit" meme. Some of the most entertaining villains in the history of entertainment were huge dicks and proud of it.

Malos is a huge dick though?

Main MC

Which makes you point even more hypocritical.

Malos has had every analysis in the book on this board, but I will say he was a based and redpilled character and his shenanigans as a villain were incredible. If only the story took itself more seriously instead of intentionally being lighthearted.

Both Malos and Amalthus are unrepenting giga-dicks to the bitter end, the fuck are you on about?

weebs should neck themselves.

See, this is your problem. To you, people are either victims to be coddled or oppressors to be defeated. Just because someone has more depth than LOL I'M LITERALLY EVERYTHING YOU HATE doesn't mean they necessarily have a "tragic sob story" or that you're supposed to feel bad for them.

Main main character?

What do either of them have to do with Kamoshida?

>story is some harem fantasy that panders to lonely weeaboo faggots
Only shiteaters like this faggotry.

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Oh, sorry, I assumed you were talking about Xenoblade 2 villains in the Xenoblade 2 thread.

All turbocucks.

I have a yet to find a single Japanese written character that had that balance, the sob stories were always tryhard, making me appreciate huge dickhole villains like Dio Brando over them.
It's all up to interpretation though, some people legitimately think Adachi and Malos did nothing wrong.

Ironic weebs, actual weebs are disgusted by this.

If you think Adachi and Malos belong in the same category then you just don't get it

>harem
All interpretation my friend
Realistically, Rex will get together with Pyra

How? They're both nihilists that are meme'd up on Yea Forums.

Their motivations are incredibly different.

>implying Malos is memed ANYWHERE near the extent Adachi was
It seems like you just want any excuse to shit on "nihilistic" characters so you indiscriminately attack anyone that even vaguely fits the bill

>The world is shit, let it burn!
>The world is shit, I'm gonna destroy it!
That's pretty different, you're right.

Care to explain what makes them different in that case?
They both blame the world for their problems instead of manning up and fixing them.

To Malos, the world IS the problem. And he does man up and nearly destroy it if not for those shitty meddling kids.

>They both blame the world for their problems instead of manning up and fixing them.
If you want to argue about Xenoblade 2's villains, you should probably play it first.

>To Adachi, the world IS the problem. And he does man up and nearly destroy it if not for those shitty meddling kids.

I think you're the only who needs to play it, unless you're referring to Malos being a blade, which is like saying it's perfectly fine if someone tries to destroy the world because he had shitty parents and didn't know any better.

Your point?

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God, Personafags are insufferable.

That they're the same, except for the fact one is an incel crying over the fact a bitch wouldn't have sex with him, and the other is a literal homo crying over his dead boyfriend.

Hey, don't mumble at your shoes when you're talking user

Malos wanted to destroy the world before he ever even met Jin

Again, your point?

So did Adachi, the whore was just the straw that broke the camal's back and made him snap.

My point was that people think they did nothing wrong, when they clearly did, just because they're relatable.

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Neither did anything wrong

So they're good characters?

Too good.

>unless you're referring to Malos being a blade, which is like saying it's perfectly fine if someone tries to destroy the world because he had shitty parents and didn't know any better.
Not really. It's an easy comparison to make, but the game makes it extremely clear that a Driver's influence on their Blade isn't the same thing as the kind of influence a parent has on a child.

Persona fans are retarded. There's also the guy who cries about "fat shaming" every day and the cast of 4 "never giving Mitsuo a chance :(((((" even though there was literally nothing they could do. SMTfags are also retarded and breathe their own farts
t. Personafag

Now stop talking about Persona in an unrelated thread when there's a Persona thread up right now.

When the motives are generic and stupid, a good personality can't save them.

You laugh but it is an important distinction. Also, Adachi feels the world is shit for largely personal reasons, whereas Malos thinks that the world is literally shit in and of itself, not because of any external judgments or qualifications. In other words, Adachi thinks the world is shitty because people are shitty(stupid and wrong), whereas Malos thinks the world is shitty because it's literally impossible for it not to be shitty even if everyone had the best intentions all the time(technically correct).

SMT is better than Persona will ever be, and that's a fact. Your JoJo game with dating simulator elements is borderline sad.

>Find a flaw
>in a Xeno game
That's like trying to find a needle in a tailor's shop.

There's literally nothing else to talk about besides the smell of Pyra's farts and which Xenoblade girl's futa dick is cut or uncut.

Good post user.

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>technically correct
Have sex

Imagine being such an insufferable faggot that you think adachi or malos were good villains? Rex was also the worst protagonist I’ve ever had the displeasure of playing.

Short story

In that case Lavos from Chrono Trigger literally did nothing wrong, and was just obeying his nature.

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Based Boreas licking the stray cat's feet

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Technically as in objectively. But true objectivity is overrated and completely useless to subjective beings i.e. humans, so Malos is still wrong in every way that actually matters. There's a reason his real name is Logos.

>Technically as in objectively

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Ow the edge.

Thanks. I just really like XB2's villains.

It's funny because that post never said they were bad but you immediately got defensive.

>But true objectivity is overrated and completely useless to subjective beings i.e. humans, so Malos is still wrong in every way that actually matters
Please come back when you can actually read more than four words

Please come back when your turn 18 and get over your edgelord phase.

>"dude blades deserves to be treated like human!"
>the whole gameplay loop is about summoning blades and throwing them to the trash can when they're not good enough

There is not a single thing that works in this game

you're a fucking hypocrite through and through. That literally wasn't the point that was made earlier to defend the character

Xenoblade 2 fans are schizophrenic, don't blame him.

>everyone on Yea Forums is the same person

(you) dumb Xfag

>Xfag
Proving me right.

Malos isn't a huge dick. But he DOES have a huge dick. Learn the difference, it could save your life.

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Maybe I'm missing something, but doesn't look huge at all.

It has terrible voice acting. It's a shame you have to stay still to auto attack and you have to charge up arts by auto attacking instead of being on cooldowns. Any gacha system is terrible and here it's no different. The 2 main characters, rex and pyra, are some of the ugliest jrpg designs ever (although pyra is actually a decent character in game).

SMTfags are hyper emotional teenagers so that's to be expected.

Malos

*Adachi

Speak for your own fanbase. I'd be annoyed too if I had to be lumped together with anything Persona related.

slow start

the mandatory retrieval of Roc's core crystal. Would've been perfect as a side quest.

You should retread the post then, and read slowly.

I am speaking for my own fanbase. SMTfags are giant children who throw hissyfits over the slightest thing and don't play games to have fun but to stroke their epeen. Their obsessed with online social status and will never grow up despite shitting on Personafags for playing a "friend simulator." This is coming from someone who has played several SMT games.

You reread it you mouth breather. Show me where it says SMT is bad.

>Eternally seething over a more popular game
So you're saying they're the Xfags of your fanbase?

That's been a known fact since the beginning, except X is the spinoff series in this case.

In fact fuck it. It would honestly be really cool if in the next Xeno game, most side quests actually relate to important side characters. Even if that means having less overall, I think it'd be really nice. To compensate for there being less quests and thus rewards, just scatter chests around the map and create more additional areas for hidden chests.

As it is, I find side quests really dull. They always try and beef them out with attempts at interesting mini stories and characters, but they always feel super artificial and lame to me.

The only flaw not being my nephews birtday yet.

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It sounds like you're generalizing the fandom based on angry posts that you've witnessed on this board as a whole, when that hardly accounts for the fandom in general. There's plenty of people who play both mainline and Persona and find no issue with either. You don't see SMTfags raiding threads or shitposting themselves senseless though, and that's the truth. The series is too niche for that.

>You don't see SMTfags raiding threads or shitposting themselves senseless though, and that's the truth.
There's been plenty of that over the years.

Stop posting this you attention whore, nobody cares about you wanting to fuck your nephew in the ass.

>Popular = good
This is unironically correct. It's why Persona is better than SMT, and why Xenoblade is better than any Xeno series before it.

Based uncle

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Anyway this is getting offtopic. Anybody who talks about anything SMT from this point on is a dumb nigger.

>It sounds like you're generalizing the fandom based on angry posts that you've witnessed on this board as a whole, when that hardly accounts for the fandom in general
Now you know what's it like to be black or transgender.

Xenoblade actually is better than any Xeno game before it unironically.

You can't say the N word on 4channel

But you can say it on Yea Forums and you can't spell 4channel without it.

Aside from story, you're right.

That's hardly the case, and as of recently there's been more people from the Persona fandom entering mainline threads to invoke arguments, or just downright shitpost. I won't deny that the SMT fandom whines about Persona, but to sling around statements like SMT being for emotional teenagers when Persona as a whole appeals to said demographic is absurd.

>nobody cares
You do :^)

Thanks.

It's not really absurd at all but okay.

This isn't a Persona thread, fuck off. Don't you have something else to do?
>Xenoblade actually is better
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. The over world is nothing more than an attempt to be an open world simulator but the areas are incredibly empty. The gameplay tries to be an ARPG, but it's absolutely brain dead when the core of the series is being a basic RPG. The story is twice as worse and doesn't live up to what Gears or Saga presented, even if they were unfinished. Xenoblade is a bastardization of what makes this series what it is. People lumping XC2 with Gears, or XCX as Saga makes me sick to my stomach.

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you cant fuck nia

It's funny how anybody can complain about Blade gameplay being braindead while praising Gears.

Great, we had to deal with SMT/Personafags, now we have to deal with a Gearsboomer

Xenoblades are better games, plain and simple. Saga, while it indeed have an ambitious story (albeit flawed due to its abortion), but it's nothing more than a boring corridors simulator. 0 replayability. And boring battle system. Only XSII tried something, but failed at it.

Stay away from your nephew, you pervert.

>Guy that likes outdated piece of shit posts MML
Pottery.

Fucking make me, nigger.

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There's actually strategy in Gears and Saga gameplay compared to what's presented in Blade. Auto attacking, breaking, toppling, and spamming arts hardly requires any form of effort. Even worse is how XC2 can't even bother to give proper tutorials. It's like Takahashi is trying to delve into ARPG territory, but he's doing it in the worst way possible.

Spamming the same deathblow and using Citan/never using Rico isn't strategy but okay

Okay, I will.
I just need to make a call, see you in 5 minutes.

>An unrelated reaction image having anything to do with the post
The paranoia and constant nitpicking of arbitrary things in these threads never ceases to amaze me.

How do we save this lad?

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You've posted the same thing 80 times before. I'm going to start reporting these shitty reposts I swear.

Okay.

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cringe

cringe

I'll be laughing when you're in a jail cell, fag.

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don't be rude, he's got moxie

>Gearsboomer
As opposed to being a Bladezoomer? Yeah.. you truly did try. The absolute only reason why these games are praised is because they break away from the usual JRPG dungeon design in favor of giving you open world exploration. The combat is nothing exciting, and the story for sure isn't anything special.

Sure you will, Rosco.

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cringe

I know people, finding out who you are won't be too difficult.

>aoi yuki only voiced a random rare blade
must not be a fan of the vidja

imagine unironically arguing over opinions

So would you say it's your opinion that arguing over video opinions is a waste of time but informing people it's a waste of time isn't?

>tutorials present information at a time when their content is barely relevant to the player and can never be reviewed in-game
this is the dumbest shit since they literally forgot that Xenoblade 1 already had this feature.

Im scare! Pls halp!

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There's a difference between arguing over arbitrary shit, and informing people on things. I swear Xeno has fallen off. We're no different than the Fire Emblem or Persona fan base after Awakening and P5.

>Arguing over opinions

This post perfectly sums up Xenoblade 2's villains and why they're so good. Well done.

the acquisition of blades being mostly rng, which i'd be more ok if several sidequests didn't also need specific skills that only certain blades have and you only know that when it's too fucking late.

anime

Yep. The extreme paranoia people here have over "normalfags" and being considered one ruins fanbases more than actual normalfags ever do.

Who's the best girl?

Handheld mode

>t. Subhuman who enjoys normalfags entering his fandom with stupidity
I-I'm really feeling it fellow Smashchad! Fuck off.

Finch.

Truest words haven't been spoken since the ancient times.

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I still can't believe you chose the best cutscene in the game to make the absolute fucking worst attempt at comedy imaginable.

The stupid fucking ending that invalidated any kind of emotional response this game had going.

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP ENJOYING THINGS
Who cares you big blubbering vagina?

That's the XC2 fanbase for you.

>Implying I made it

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Quiet Xfag.

I'm just pointing out that it's not really possible to 'win' in an argument defending your opinion. I'm not saying it's a waste of time to exchange views or challenge an opinion to see why the person holds their views. I'm just saying, it's totally subjective. But a lot of people on this website seem to be really convinced that they're opinion is fact when they say shit like
>Wow, you think Xeno 2 was better than 1? That's literally objectively wrong on so many counts...

SEETHING

I love derailing Xeno threads man. You guys will literally fall for anything.

>Implying you could derail a toy train
It was all me actually. Nice try.

opening equipment to switch around blades for stupid field skills is one of the most retarded and irritating design in modern games

Just namedrop Persona 5 and the thread will never be the same.
They'll never get over how hard it cucked them out of Smash.

>Eric coping this hard
Why won't you fuck off?

art direction not as good as Xenoblade 1

Eric is old news. You can call me Jordan and I'm here to stay.

I wasn't a fan of the expendable, time sensitive stat boosters in this game, specifically pouch items. There's something really unsatisfying about having to use up an item that will wear off after a while, and it also felt somehow cheap to even use them. Well, they were optional at least. But they were finicky and annoying whenever I used them.

i hate that nintendo bought monolith soft, we'll never get a xenosaga hd collection

It's not like Namco needs permission from Monolith to make a HD collection. If they really wanted to, they just would.

Is the people you know coming soon? I got shit to do later, it would be good if they come within the hour.

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LET'S SHOW THEM A THING OR THREE

THINK YOU CAN TAKE ME
THINK YOU CAN TAKE ME
THINK YOU CAN TAKE ME
THINK YOU CAN TAKE ME

MEHMEHMEH

>Anti-Ericfag doing his work for free

explain to me how alvis could possibly be ontos cause i don't get it

Does Xenosaga even have what it takes to be popular? They'd have to utterly remake the game, down to the world and story. It wouldn't even be the same.

I'm on the phone with Andrew right now, you're gonna have to wait a bit longer.

There's basically none, even the voice acting is fine in JP.

Nigga i aint got all day.

if .hack GU can get all of its games in an HD port then I think Xenosaga deserves its 3 games in one collection in an HD port

ontos was part of the computer powered by the conduit/zohar that created a new universe (the one in which XC1 takes place), then fucked off to said alternate universe after it happened, which heavily implies that it's alvis.

Doesn't matter where you have to go, you can be gone all week for all I care, just know I'm gonna get you.

Aegises are revealed to be supercomputers that can also create monados (see Malos). Alvis claims to be a computer, and calls himself Monado. Connect the dots

explain to me the lore of KOSMOS and T-Elos being blades

there's no real lore around it, it's just a fun crossover thing

Thing is i want to introduce the people i know to the people you know.

I wish there was a game like XC but the online aspect was more like PSO, the central city as a lobby, longer missions with friends etc.

And who would that be?

I wonder if they'll go all in with the online stuff in X2, keep it similar to X, or remove it entirely.

People, nigga. They could get along.

It is full mast in that image

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So who is the people you know, your mom's sewing club?

I would hope they keep some kind of online mode like X at least. Some like mmo mode/lobby like DB Xenoverse has would be pretty cool though.

>Klaus mentions in a cutscene in XB2 about how there were 3 separate AI's associated with the conduit but he could only find 2 after world resetting into Alrest
>Alvis is confirmed to be a supercomputer AI at the end of XB1 and there is nothing else in the game to indicate that anything like him exists.

also is the whole Trinity Processor supposed to be a reference to Evangelion or something?

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>There's something really unsatisfying about having to use up an item that will wear off after a while
How so? As long as you have an item in your inventory, it will reuse it automatically. You can go like 10h of play without having to worry about pouch items. How is that a problem, when you have to go do your inventory equipment thing every hour or so like in every jrpg in existence? Treat it as another piece of equipment, because that's literally what it is

Needed more thicc Finch

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this

Well, out of pic related, we know she's a V1.2 and was built by the actual Shion Uzuki and Allen. And she's Vector industries property, but we already knew that.

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It's just the fact that you can actually run out. Equipment is different because you can use it and keep it. I just don't see the point of having an upgrade if eventually you're going to have to go out of your way to replace it.