Best Warhammer 40k Game?

All of them except the tabletop

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What's wrong with tabletop?

I'm still mad.

>tfw

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there are like 3 good 40k games the rest of them is a giant trash pile of shovelware garbage.

space marine
DOW1
DOW2

and that's IT. and those are over a decade old

Is Dawn of War 3 worth getting?

Can't remember the last time I've such a massive disparity between a trailer and the end product.

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no. not at all.

How's Gladius?

>"it's quiet"

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Armaggedon is nice.

40k is cringe, Fantasy is better. What's even the appeal to this reddit MUH PURGE LE HERETICS XD shit?

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Space Marine

Space Hulk was good

>that entire post

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That post is completely true. 40k is garbage, cringy and is absolutely inferior to Fantasy.

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Space Marine or Dawn of War 2.

is the worst RTS ever made worth getting? the answer is no

>forgetting about based BGFA

No, not even on sale.

It's Warcraft 3 in 4X form.
Get old VERY fast unless you're the kind of dude who always rush in every game in both warcraft 3 and the 4X genre in general.

I agree.

what about battlefleet gothica?

Don't post a picture of a Witch Hunter when your argument was just
>MUH PURGE LE HERETICS XD shit?

Get over yourself you fucking gaybo.

40k is full of projecting furries anyway

>Implying Sigmarines aren't more cringy than 40k at its worst.

That glorious fucking trailer and we get ... that

The only reason this game is disliked is because you don’t play as a SPEHSS MUHREEN.
The enemy variety, weapon selection and level design are good.

I enjoyed this even though everyone hated it. But i never finished the singleplayer because I encountered a bug I couldnt get past, and it was in the enhanced edition version.

>only reason this game is disliked is because you don’t play as a SPEHSS MUHREEN

you earned that (you)

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Witch Hunters do proper purging after thorough investigation though instead of U R HERETIC BOOM XD
And they go after strict Chaos worship and magics only. Neck yourself 40kringe faggot.
>inserting faggy 4kringe shit into something great
Gee who would have thought it'd end up gay.

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Gameplay was pretty bland but the art direction was fucking fantastic. Should be no surprise after EYE, I guess.

This.

I want a fucking polished Chapter Master. That's all I've ever fucking wanted.

While I like both, fantasy obviously has the better video games nowadays with Total Warhammer and Vermintide. I'm also slightly interested in Chaos Bane, even though I normally don't like Diablo-like games.

Space Marine and the first two Dawn of War games were excellent, but are pretty old by now. Space Hulk looked promising but tripped on the finish line with several stupid design decisions and a buggy launch. I will never understand why they didn't make the campaign coop, it's such a hugely missed opportunity.
And helmet-less Terminators are just pure cringe, even worse than helmet-less regular Space Marines. Why even equip all that armor if you're just going to die to a bolter shot to the face anyway?

I felt like a bitch playing this game. Couldn't get past one point where it was a nonstop 100+ horde of genestealers.

Literally firing non-stop for 10 minutes only to watch your squad mates die a slow dead.

>Play 45 minutes with a dude online
>Make some decent progress
>Game server crashes
>All progress lost
>Refunded the next day

it has servers? i thought it was host based

Dawn of War Dark Crusade.

40k is honestly pretty cringy. How is it that the Empire of Sigmar is more rational than the Imperium and Sigmar soldiers rush willingly towards lines of black Orcs, Trolls, Crypt Horrors and Chaos Warriors without needing a gun on their head like the Imperial Guard?

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>someone else actually knows about this
So I wasn't crazy and imagine it.

DOW 2 (base and CR)

I really liked the RTS/RPG mechanics and the sense of scale was perfect. The thing that I didn't like about 1 was every turn having 100 of marines die and you never felt it as that would ruin the game mechanically. Losing 1 marine in DOW 2 felt something and the story and character interactions were great aside the silent protagonist Force Commander. Would have been nice to expand on him a bit from a RP element.

I didn't like Retribution as they just threw away FC Hairgel and instead of 1 good campaign we got 6 meh ones. Scale was a lot bigger but not that outlandish. That being said the MP is great with the Elite Mod and I still fiddle with it today. I do really want another DOW 2- like sequel and would love if you could play other races campaigns but not as watered down as Retribution.

Is Retribution's Last Stand dead? I've been feeling like playing that again

the companion AI killed it for me. Made my fucking blood boil holy shit.

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>cringy
>he doesn't like fun

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I'm probably the only one on Yea Forums who actually played Legacy of Dorn: Herald of Oblivion.

Orks are probably the only good thing out of 40k. But their Fantasy counterpart isn't that much different. It's funmy to see a 9ft tall Big Un riding a small piggy.

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Wonder if we'll get a total war 40k

Never even heard of that.

dont encourage him, he obviously has brain problems

Stellaris

Space marine and Dawn of War Dark Crusade.

I liked it.

Thoughts?

youtube.com/watch?v=j10FzqOEpA0

>multi-plat

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>cyberpunk 2077 is gonna be big better capitalize on that

Necromunda is way older than cyberpunk 2077.

Not that user, but it took a nosedive in terms of overall quality both rules and lore wise.

Genuinely enjoyed it. Really wish we got more offbeat games like this.

WAS better. Now we have this bullshit called AoS.

Awww man this would be so cool if it's not a turn based xcom-like.

true enough, but at least we've got some pretty good fantasy games out the the ashes of war-hammer fantasy

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I wonder if we could get to fight Imperial Fists. They come to Necromunda for recruits. So as boss battles they would be great.

Looks like a mad-max themed XCOM.

Yeah. TWW is for me the real 9th Edition.

Well that's hive gangers for you.

>Focus interactive

What the fuck is up with these guys? They're grabbing every fucking WH licence they can get.

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It's be nice to fight 100vs1 and lose.

>turn based
STOP

Space hulk is bullshit, stealers are game breaking op
>all attack are insta kills
>can dodge, you cant
>can move x5 the distance you can
>can survive multiple hits, you cant
>always on a strict timer
>can spawn infinitely

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YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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pls respond

>cucks of sigmar
>better than anything

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But which chapter should I paint?

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GW are sitting on a goldmine with 40k and are too dumb or unwilling to do something with it.

Dark Crusade, Space Marine. That is it. Now if we could combine them.

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>Eternal crusade
>Deathwing
>Mechanicus
They’re cautious for a reason.

I've never understood this. Soulstorm adds more races, more maps, more units and better balance. How can you prefer Dark Crusade?

Deathwatch had a great concept and excellent aesthetics, but it unfortunately fucked up immensely by not putting more effort into the Enhanced Edition on PC. The controls were fucking terrible, the game was way too easy and they didn't have any way to increase the difficulty other than finishing the game. I think the studio even had to close after this fuck up.

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To be fair GW is (has?) been notorious for a "video games are the enemy of tabletop" attitude for a long ass time. They're also extremely protective of their IP so they want creative veto on EVERYTHING which explains why they don't license their shit to big-name studios.

>Battlefield 40000
>EA/DICE recast Horus as a proud woman of color.

>Deathwatch had a great concept and excellent aesthetics
It was mobile thrash
>To be fair GW is (has?) been notorious for a "video games are the enemy of tabletop" attitude for a long ass time.
And they weren't wrong.
Soigames usually flops.

Yes

It doesn't add them well.

Deathwatch looter shooter would be dope.

>Work in 4-5 man kill teams
>Being SM Operator-edition means loads of potential for interesting environments and mission types
>Get access to the Imperium's shiniest toys
>Much easier to avoid the butthurt neckbeards crying about how their speshul chapter that was only mentioned in an issue of White Dwarf in 1998 isn't in when all you have to do is make different pauldrons.

Im a simple man, for me its Chaos Gate

Unless Plasma. Marines hate plasma aimed at them.

>40k
>goldmine

I'm the only person in the world who likes Deathwing and Space Hulk Ascension

>Mechanicus

Regardless of your opinions of 40k it is a top tier IP for mine for vidya.

>horus is a stonk POC
>chaos is actually the good guys
>fulgrim gets genderswapped
>fighting to defeat the god emperor drumpf
They actully would do this, completely unaware of the irony

Dawn of War: Dark Crusade. Peak of RTS.

>40k it is a top tier IP for mine for vidya.
Lol no.

youtube.com/watch?v=g-MteECxZUY
youtube.com/watch?v=mfGPMJ8A0QY
youtube.com/watch?v=CMGRa4_UjE4
Bumping with some kino.

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youtube.com/watch?v=hL5FjfRGGKQ&t=8s

Read a book.

That trailer was pure kino. The goddamn depths and layers of 40k they managed to weave in was bonkers.

Which is impressive since not even the creators takes the setting completely seriously.

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>literally Ultramarine-tier of animation
>kino
Top kek

t. buttblasted ultramarine animator mad one person did it better

Projecting much?
Both are terrible trash. Even OW porn have better animation.

Everybody hates plasma

>Warhammer

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Pity the game itself was a disappointment.

Get With the times. 8th edition is a triumphant return to form. The soupcan CEO is fired. a grognard is at the helm. the models are the best in decades. the fans' input is being heard. the stock is up 10x since 7th, and GW is one of the most profitable companies in the UK atm.

Also the tabletop is fun as fuck now.
Well, unless you got a "Win at all costs" Imperial Knight army from 7th, I guess.

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Why don't you explain why you dumb Yea Forumsmblr autist?
There's literally thousands of potential stories that could be told within the 40K setting that would be perfectly applicable to several genres of video games.

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>streum on studio
I mean E.Y.E. was pretty much japanese 40k already, aesthetically. Something like that but set in a hive city would be kino

PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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But anything with a 2+ sv and T4 will especially.

>and GW is one of the most profitable companies in the UK atm.
Well, considering state of UK economy...
Also
>profits means quality
Hello, fellow chinkman.

How is Mechanicus? I think the threads were positive at the time

>Why don't you explain why you dumb Yea Forumsmblr autist?
>Yea Forumsmblr
Yep that's projecting.
>There's literally thousands of potential stories that could be told within the 40K setting that would be perfectly applicable to several genres of video games.
Just like any other sci-fi setting, from Star Wars and Halo to some original. So what's the point for devs in paying for license?

Brand recognition you gibbering mong. Go ask EA what happens when you release a mediocre-at-best game with no established universe or fanbase to prop it up.

Never heard of Chaos Gate?

Dawn of War 1-2 and Space Marine !
Since you said game i also would say Tabletop !

The salt from Anthem still hurts them.

Dunno what to tell you, man. Removing templates and the clusterfuck vehicle rules, and the codex creep rerollable 2++ bullshit was the smartest thing they couldve done imo

Being able to play a xeno army against imperials without auto-losing is cool to I guess.

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Flesh Tearers, always Flesh Tearers

>Brand recognition you gibbering mong.
>40k
Nigger, even Star Wars (far bigger brand) games flopping hard. None cares about attracting additional tumblrinas because they wouldn't generate enough cash for video game, since it's much bigger market than tabletop games.
>Go ask EA what happens when you release a mediocre-at-best game with no established universe or fanbase to prop it up.
Mass effect 1-2?

>So what's the point for devs in paying for license?
Because deep lore, top tier designs and existing audience.

Total War: Warhammer 40.000 (2021)

>Because deep lore
Nope
>top tier designs
40k now using generic sci-fi design which can be found everywhere, DOOM, Halo, Star Wars etc
>existing audience.
Tumblrinas and soibois doesn't make a good sales.

Not that user, but removing templates is the only gripe I have.

Is Mechanicus any good?

>Nigger, even Star Wars (far bigger brand) games flopping hard.

Are you actually retarded, or just underage? Pre-sequel trilogy star had one of the biggest intersections of movie watchers and vidya players in media history. There were fucktons of star wars licensed games and they sold well. Shit only started flopping with EA at the helm.

Soul storm.

Mechanicus is good. If you like x-com, you will like it. Also great soundtrack.

youtube.com/watch?v=XfqF81VPoM0

>underage
>says Warhammerfag
Lol, okay
>There were fucktons of star wars licensed games and they sold well.
I was refering to the last ones, TOR, DICE BattleFront, retard.

Amazing soundtrack, well-made game, does the lore right, fun to play and has some pretty good replayability. Only problem is it starts easy and only gets easier.

I've heard it's pretty forgiving to a NuXcom-like though.

>If you like x-com, you will like it.
Nah, after X-Com Mechanicus is too borring

Uh, you do know that Warhammer has been around since the 80s right?

>We'll never get a BF2 Modern Combat-esque FPS featuring a Guardsman campaign or even some Orkz, body swapping around various classes in a mission.
One can dream.

It is, because unlike your technpriests which are few in number and valuable, skitarii and servos are meant to be thrown into the meat grinder and there's no downside to doing so.

Starcraft 2 of course.

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>Uh, you do know that Warhammer has been around since the 80s right?
And..? What is you point?
But you have Aternal Crusade

>And..? What is you point?

Suggesting a Warhammer is underage. Most Warhammer autists were painting their first minis before your father even skipped town.

>Suggesting a Warhammer is underage.
Last I've checked GW put 8+ age rating on their Easy To Buil boxes, so suggestion is more than justified
>Most Warhammer autists were painting their first minis before your father even skipped town.
Wrong, this is current Warhammer audience

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I forgot about this pic. Thanks user

>40k now using generic sci-fi design which can be found everywhere.
No. And even if it was true. WH40K did that before Doom. Also one of last IP that is not wasted by shitty decisions.

>Tumblrinas and soibois doesn't make a good sales.
Until Dawn of War 3 Relic made insane cash. All IPs have soibois fans. From Nintendo to Star Wars. That is not argument.

I get your point, templates had fun and flavor to them. But 80% of arguments on my tables came from eyeballing goddamn templates, and if you were playing against a skilled opponent, and you got that fast rhythm in your game, it would always come to a screeching halt whenever the templates came out.

I miss aspects of templates, sure. But losing them was a worthwhile sacrifice imo

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>No. And even if it was true. WH40K did that before Doom.
8th edition came AFTER nuDoom and Halo.
>Also one of last IP that is not wasted by shitty decisions.
You mean..?
>. All IPs have soibois fans.
And just as other big tt IPs (MtG, DnD and Pathfinder) Warhammer is full of soibois. Even GW indetifies Warhammer as product for soibois

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All IPs are full of soibois. All of them. All hobbies from death metal to my little pony. 8th edition is propably not first edition, right?

>All IPs are full of soibois.
I will call it projecting, very stong projecting
>8th edition is propably not first edition, right?
For Primaris marines, it first.
Or now we will pretend that all edition had simmilar aesthetic?

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Gork would beat Mork in a fight, any day of the week!

This nigga knows what's up

>I will call it projecting, very stong projecting
I will call it reality on this sad planet. It is just my opinion but WH40 still feel fresh. Can't say same about Halo, Star Wars, Star Trek. Doom is not some big with various games. Doom games are FPS. Not every WH40K game is gem. But it is not trash IP. They should make new Dawn of War games based on Dawn of War: Dark Crusade code.

Only if Mork doesn't see Gork coming

ME1 was before they were acquired, most of DA:O was as well.

Thoughts?

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bruva

i really liked deathwing, the issue is that the game is TOO faithful to the boardgame. literally all you do is walk around halls and shoot aliens.

give both your squadmates claws/hammer&shield, you now have two completely impenetrable walls following you.

>Thotts?
Indeed.

To quote someone on /m/
>Oh wow, a Sister of Battle that won't cost me a kidney AND doesn't look like it got hit by an ugly stick.

the cutesy stuff doesn't feel appropriate

fucking gay ass flying bullshit was fucking stupid so fucking gay holy shit

girl in the middle probably feels hot af

good tip, thanks I'll try it out now

Battlefleet Gothic Armada is GOAT. That Tyranid campaign was fun as shit and apparently they are gonna release another campaign soon.

This game really was better than original reviews.
First time you hear a chainsword fire up in the trenches you're hooked.

Soulstorm feels more like a mod of Dark Crusade than a separate game. There's so much dialogue in the stronghold missions in Dark Crusade and in Soulstorm its generic.

color them really well and you probably most likely have gold there
could be keychains or something

>I will call it reality on this sad planet.
>souce: my projecting ass

>It is just my opinion but WH40 still feel fresh
Wow, so now you stopped pretending you are telling universal truth?

>But it is not trash IP.
Yeah, it's cheap trash, just as MtG

>They should make new Dawn of War games based on Dawn of War: Dark Crusade code.
Yeah because Relic is such a good company right now...

>ME1 was before they were acquired, most of DA:O was as well.
See.

The one where 40kfags die in a fire.

I want a cute little Skitarii Ranger to keep me safe.

Thats a lie! Gork is just stronger and smarter and more Ork! Just realized that Gork and Mork is just Ork with a G or M in front of it because the Orks are a tad uncreative.

youtube.com/channel/UCFMtdiQILuTZr22sKUeAOOA/videos
>only one bloke is working on it in his free time so full length never

>EA/DICE recast Horus as a proud woman of color.
He deserves it.

>Wow, so now you stopped pretending you are telling universal truth?
Every post on this page is just someone opinion. There is no universal truth. Except that jews are rats.

>MtG
I have no idea what is that.

>Yeah because Relic is such a good company right now...
Putting models and animations from Dawn of War3 to Dawn of War would make realy good game. I don't even know if Relic is still alive. I don't understand why are you soo butthurt about WH40K.

Any WH40k movie or game that gets mainstream attention will have pundits and twatter jumping down its throat so fast. People will lose their mind over the setting and lore.

>>MtG
>I have no idea what is that.
this has to be bait

Also
Bioware already was acquired by EA when ME1 was released

It's too autistic for the mainstream. And that's unironically a good thing.

Dark Crusade. Sank like 2 or 3k games online. No other RTS game came close and I'm still mad at the direction they took in 2.

MUH ROMAN LEGION COPY PASTE SPACE MARINES

People will read into it and project it onto real world politics.

>fans input is being heard
>dg players still don't have dr on their chaos lords, sorcerers or helbrutes
>grey knights are still trash
>imperial guard are still op

>MtG
You mean Magic. Sure. Never wrote it this way. Magic is also not cheap IP. But that is your opinion. And nobody realy care about it just like nobody care about my opinion.

>always loved Dark Crusade
>everyone on the forums fucking hate Soulstorm
>come to Yea Forums
>everyone loves Soulstorm
???

Space is gay

>Every post on this page is just someone opinion. There is no universal truth. Except that jews are rats.
>I will call it reality on this sad planet

>I have no idea what is that.
And this redditor calls me underage and pretending to be "le ebig Warhammer oldfag"

>Putting models and animations from Dawn of War3 to Dawn of War would make realy good game.
Of course...

>. I don't understand why are you soo butthurt about WH40K.
And I am butthurt because of..?
And don';t forget to call yourself opressed minority

The Fucking men of war mod is too damn good it gonna get shutdown soon, Russian fans are mad men.

Everyone love Dark Crusade because it is simply best WH40K game and best RTS ever made. For me all previous Dawn of War games were just steps to Dark Crusade.

>he misses micro and build order memorization.
fuck
that
shit

People hated Soulstorm because the single player experience was worse. You'd take a territory in Soulstorm, then have to fight off the enemy AI over and over while starting from scratch every time. You might see the same map ten times before you could get around to conquering the AI that was giving you trouble, and that's because it was random chance which AI was going to get a steam roller of honor guard spawned up.

In Dark Crusade, the base you built remained after the battle, so you really only had to conquer each map once.

>pretending to be "le ebig Warhammer oldfag"
I am not. That is your projection. I am just fan of Dark Crusade. That is all.

Agreed. But most of all, sync kills. Fuck pro's and their emphasis on not having cool shit. Should have doubled down on sync kills.

Chapter Master, the game that /tg/ literally dreamt up if only it were ever finished

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You play DC for the campaign, SS for the multiplayer and UA.

Why anyone likes Warhammer anything is beyond me. It's just Fantasy/Sci-Fi commercialized out the fucking ass. Absolutely soulless

Also they got rid of the banter between commanders.

user, you don't have to play like a pro to have fun.

This is actually the game that got me into 40k

Why play SS for multiplayer if DC have everything from SS plus more. I have all collection anyway but DC is best.

It speaks to my inner angsty teenager.

Also allows for rare, possibly heretical weapons, variations. Good excuse to go against all enemies. Hell even top down like Helldivers it would be cool as shit

Name a fantasy/sci-fi IP alternative then?

Because you don't have a super high miss rate from firing on the move in SS because only DC had that retarded mechanic. I like DC fine but all that mechanic did was make Eldar even more broken than they already were.

He will say Soi Wars.

Dark Crusade > Dawn of War 2 > Space Marine
The rest is garbage unfortunately

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>I am not.
>Uh, you do know that Warhammer has been around since the 80s right?

>Name a fantasy
LoTR, Witcher, Dark Souls
>sci-fi
Dune, Starship Troopers, early Mass Effect

What about Space Hulk? No not the game made by the EYE people, the 1993 version. Also mechanicus is good even if it's a little too easy.

>You play UA
Man, nobody in their right mind plays UA multiplayer and takes it seriously. Any competitive game is just going to be turret abuse, because UA removed the turret cap and then added techs to make them stronger.

UA is if you like to turtle for twenty minutes while you tech to your titan units. It can be enjoyable to bully your way through the campaign like that, but otherwise it's not even very fun for skirmish AI.

>Ctrl+f Chaos Gate
>2 mentions
Some of you are alright. Don't go to Yea Forums tomorrow.

The AI has gotten better in recent versions.

Dawn of War 2

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how much is the license to warhammer 40000?
the last years games workshop was whoring the series to anybody with a wallet

i want to make a worms clone based on the series.

call it WARM.S. 40

youtube.com/watch?v=g-MteECxZUY
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Well those are all good but apart from Lotr and Dune the rest just don't have as much lore to get stuck into let alone the variety of gaming genres WH/40k covers.

>how much is the license to warhammer 40000?
It's gotta be fucking nothing considering how many no-budget studios make games. Which I think is on purpose because if the games aren't great then it won't take players away from the tabletop.

>old good

Do you say 40 kay or 40 thousand?

But it's still AI, and the balance is so bad that turret abuse remains the most viable tactic for any given race.

I think I recall reading that turret abuse was one of the first things the original devs had to tackle. There was this problem of players taking a point in or near an enemy base, throwing down a listening post, and then just spamming turrets to gain a defensive entrenchment on the enemy's doorstep. Or with people turning the whole battle by spamming turrets on defense.

Turrets are cheap. One turret can kill several units for way less than the units cost. If you can build them fast enough, there's no reason not to use them in the middle of a fight. It's even worse in UA because they give a hero builder unit to a lot of races, and the hero builder can take more fire and build faster.

The only units that matter in UA are the turrets and the apocalypse units.

UA is for having fun with wacky units, not playing competitively, like you said. I never said it was to take seriously.

>It's gotta be fucking nothing considering how many no-budget studios make games.
I am pretty sure license scaling from project budget

What's the best videogame built on a GW property?

It's either TW:W or pic related. They're both really good for entirely different reasons and are both handled by devs that are actually competent.

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Yeah, but I'm saying why play with all the wacky units in between when turrets always going to be stronger, you know? Like, sure, you could try to beat the AI using only Space Marine Scouts, but that's not really what RTS games are about. The point is to enact the best strategy and cut your opponents head off with the most minimal losses on your end.

How do you kill the enemy while taking minimal losses? Turrets. And then if you play with people, the game stops when you walk into their turret wall. Now you just tech up to Titans and shoot the shit over Discord, because there are no other units that really beat a turret mixed with a basic army.

And god forbid they can afford to building FUCKING WALLS. I remember losing a game once because I built a Reaver Titan, and my opponent had built those invisible tank traps all over the map, so the Reaver kept stopping because it couldn't pass the tank traps. Meanwhile my friend the game-ender artillery for the guard, and I just couldn't fucking get to it.

>don't have as much lore to get stuck into
And 40k lore is very generic in most of it's parts
>let alone the variety of gaming genres WH/40k covers.
Top fucking kek

four zero zero zero zero

>Yeah, but I'm saying why play with all the wacky units in between when turrets always going to be stronger, you know? Like, sure, you could try to beat the AI using only Space Marine Scouts, but that's not really what RTS games are about. The point is to enact the best strategy and cut your opponents head off with the most minimal losses on your end.
Because you're gonna win in the end, so use what's fun.

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I'M JUST WALKING WITH A GHOST
AND IS HE WALKING ROUND MY SIDE

What if what I enjoy are strategy games?

please play vermintide
the vg general is on life support

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>And 40k lore is very generic in most of it's parts

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My point is you're taking it too seriously. Not everything in life is win at all cost.

the game was shitty, but damn I enjoyed the book for some reason

Name parts where it's original

They really should work on some kind of PvP mode, IMO

MY SLAVES

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I have no clue what you two are arguing about but you might want to consider that minmaxing IS fun to some people

NO NO NO VERMINTIDE IS A DEDICATED PVE EXPERIENCE, PVP WOULD RUIINN ITTT

Is what the people in /vtg/ would tell you

DOW2 was fun, they fucked 3 beyond belief

We're talking about a game where the theme is actually "win at all costs". And a mod called "Ultimate Apocalypse", which is supposed to escalate the theme to include nuclear weapons and exterminatus.

But instead the mod naturally becomes about walls and turrets, because they work as a crutch and save the weaker races from getting their shit instantly kicked in by the OP ones.

Then, another IMO, more complicate objectives, or find a balls and make proper ARPG

Hey, you're the one who said the most efficient strategy isn't fun.

I mean, dude, who plays an RTS suboptimally on purpose? I understand making your own fun because you aren't very good. Maybe you say, "Oh, my goal is to build a Baneblade, haha!" and if you can survive that long, you've "Won."

But if you can actually play these games, the intensity of the playing is the whole point.

>I mean, dude, who plays an RTS suboptimally on purpose?
When your goal is to troll the other player. Like a guy that beats competitive pokemon teams with a Shuckle.

Sometimes it's easy to go overboard with the minmaxing for singleplayer games though, I find
When I played Hotline Miami, I only cared about getting through the story and didn't care at all about the highscore you get at the end of each level which meant I basically played it like a stealth game, slowly creeping around corners and taking single guys out

>Streumon
They did Space Hulk: Deathwing, cool graphics but gameplay was boring as fuck

That sounds insanely boring.

>You play suboptimally if you want to troll people
That requires you to already be an optimal enough player that you can macro your way to victory even while being retarded. It also requires your opponent to be retarded enough to not punish you for playing like an idiot.

At which point you may as well be playing in a sandbox by yourself if not for the other player cursing your family name.

Some people just enjoy being a dick.

>Not everything in life is win at all cost.
It's not like you are talking about Skyrim-tier game. It's RTS with MP, gameplay should be first

So what I'm hearing is, UA is a great game to play if you're a dick wanting to trash your friends with a large variety of poorly balanced units, or if you're a boring person who wants to play Sim City in an RTS until everyone has unlocked nukes and is finally ready to play because there's is logically nothing left to do but launch them.

The only good one is space marine. The rest are ok at best

>UA is a great game
>with a large variety of poorly balanced units,
user, literally pick one

Yeah but why in a way that is patently unfun? Why wouldn't you just play something else?

MvC 2 is both.

Well that's exactly what I've been saying. UA is not a very good mod because the balance is terrible and universally, the strongest unit it for every race is always a turret or a wall. Up until the end, at which point the strongest unit is always something so insanely powerful that nothing in the lower tiers could ever stop it.

>Competitive play is unfun
Maybe you aren't really cut out for real time strategy? Or strategy at all?

Honestly, not a lot of people are, and there's a reason it's a dying genre.

>unfun
Can you define "fun"?
>Why wouldn't you just play something else?
I am playing something better than UA.

Confess your sins

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I have intrusive, indecent thoughts and fantasies about Eldar women, sir!

>Maybe you aren't really cut out for real time strategy? Or strategy at all?
I was platinum rank in SC2 back when I played it so I know how to.

>I was platinum rank in SC2
So you know how to do a timing push or build Marines. If you follow the guides by the numbers you should be able to get into Platinum. Starcraft 2 is not a great game either.

>Can you define "fun"?
Not playing like you're a robot.

I can't BLAM! this enough. You are filth. You are a disgrace to the God Emperor.

I am not confessing to trannies, they are mentally ill future suiciders

Just started playing Mechanicus. I'm halfway through trying to fix the shoulder seams in my Immortals. Somebody fucking help me, I'm so starved for Necron content.

Rats would win every time because vermintide is based on melee over shooting. it would be way too easy to win pvp matches as skaven.

RTS is not a good genre, mobas replaced it for a reason

>Not playing like you're a robot.
What the fuck it's supposed to mean?

You think being able to build a turret because it's the strongest unit makes somebody a robot? Look, if you can identify a pattern for swift, low-risk victory, it's only imposing a personal challenge not to exploit that pattern.

That's why everyone who played Dark Eldar online used to do bike spam, user. Because it had an edge that chasing people in circles with your slower, weaker infantry didn't.

MOBAS replaced it because MOBAS are easier and you're only responsible for a single unit and a specific lane.

You are the one who says that competitive UA is boring, then user asks "why not try being inventive and having some fun dicking around, at the cost optimal play?" and then you react with "durr, why would I ever do that??"
I really don't get how you can be this dense.

I like playing Martyr: Inquisitor

even if the Defense missions are downright utter bullshit.

Where your brain is just following a flowchart

It makes you a robot if you can't bring yourself to do anything else because you're pre-programmed to act like an automaton.

In the end Angron wins. Fuck Angron and his Bloodthirsters.

>the 6'1" chad vs the 5'14" virgin

Because why would I play with a worse strategy on purpose in a strategy game? What's my incentive, user. Explain to me how that's more "fun", without saying that bullying another player with a garbage strat is the objective.

It's a competitive genre. I own City Skylines, motherfucker. If I want to play a city builder I play my city builder.

Dawn of War Dark Crusade was my first WH40k game and it´s my favorite, but I recently played Gladius and it´s a comfy and great game.

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>MOBAS are easier
In competition they're actually significantly harder, and the reason ties into my response to your other part
>and you're only responsible for a single unit and a specific lane.
But they're not 1v1, it's 5v5 and oftentimes at least 6 of those 10 people are retards that have to be corralled. Top-level play is not the way 99% of games go.

>Where your brain is just following a flowchart
Then it's a flaws of UA only, the good game would reward you for reasonable creativity

I mean you'll never get to Angron. Your friends are always going to build a Reaver Titan before he shows up, unless you do some kind of No Rush thing, but then you're asking to get flattened by whoever has to the strongest final tier monster. Or for an exterminatus by the Inquisition player.

>Because why would I play with a worse strategy on purpose in a strategy game? What's my incentive, user.
BECAUSE THE RIGHT STRATEGY IS BORING AND THE LESS OPTIMAL WAY ISN'T YOU DENSE FUCK

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Agreed, yet when will they add the change player color aption? I don't want to be forever blue.

>Space Marine
Space Marine was, all things considered, pretty underwhelming, and thank god the Heresy that would have happened in the sequels never saw the light of day

>Losing is fun!
Why is losing fun? I don't get this. How is flattening a computer that can't lift a finger to fight you back fun for you? How is flattening your friends, who can't play anywhere near a competent level, a fun time?

If you're playing an RTS suboptimally, you're trolling and taking pleasure from someone's else's misery and poor play, or you're city building. In which case, you should be playing Cities Skylines because managing traffic is a lot more interesting and involved than waiting for the tech timer to expire. I had to learn what a diverging diamond is and how to build one for Skylines. In UA I build turrets at choke and watch paint dry.

I don't know, Gladius feels really slow and boring. Also, where the fuck is the music?

t.Leandros

Because it's a break from the turret spam that you complain about. Trying to win games with unorthodox strategies is fun for anyone that isn't an autist hellbent on always winning. It might be hard for you to grasp - actually, I'm convinced that it is - but you can have fun with suboptimal startegies.

>Rats would win every time because vermintide is based on melee over shooting.
It wasn't always like that

Once the game was beautiful, once there was a ranged meta
>it would be way too easy to win pvp matches as skaven.
You'd just have to tweak the clanrat/skavenslave spawns or the special spawns themselves
Eventually you'd reach a sweet spot like in L4D where each side stands an equal chance of winning (with a few percentages added to either side depending on which map is being played)

The complaints I've seen from vehement anti-versus anons have usually been along the lines of "PvP attracts the wrong kind of crowd/toxic players" but I've never understood that complaint considering, like they said, they'd just play PvP instead of bothering anons in their 1500th run through Righteous Stand

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>Why is losing fun?
Play Dorf Fort and you will understand. Though I don't know how you automatically assumed "if I don't try hard I will lose" unless the only other people you play with are also tryhards who can't do any different either.
>How is flattening your friends, who can't play anywhere near a competent level, a fun time?
Because you can rub it in your face.

>if I play any strat other then the most optimal, I am guaranteed to lose
This is the flaw in your thinking.

I think there are mods for that in Nexus ;)

The OpenXCOM 40k mod is pretty good.
Sorry about no Yea Forums plays threads this weekend, family stuff. I've been considering either restarting on a higher difficulty or maybe trying some other mod completely blind.

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It doesn't feel empty to you? Winning because your opponent can't. Winning in spite of playing in a way that you know isn't optimal? Winning without, in essence, trying?

I understand playing suboptimally in, say, Skyrim. You see what happens with certain character builds, you try new approaches. Whatever. It's non-competitive. There's another bandit over yon hill and he's programmed to always lose.

But an RTS is supposed to be more of a thinking game. I mean why do people not play chess against easy mode computers and then intentionally lose their power pieces to see if they can win with pawns only? And then if you could win with pawns only, where's the joy. The real challenge was trying to find the line where the AI or your friend can actually win.

>It doesn't feel empty to you?
No, because we're enjoying ourselves.

>it would be way too easy to win pvp matches as skaven.
The hell are you on about. The skaven are a piss poor in combat even their stormvermin are fodder to empire militia in the lore. The rats literally can't win in melee against a human hence they create mutants or resort to man waves to hide behind when using their ranged weapons.

EXECUTE HIGH ENERGY TURN

Gonna go and look then.

Why the fuck would they not use the Redemptionists as their flagship gang?
Who the fuck cares about House Escher?

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I keep having dreams about sexy Tau women that capture me and have their way with me every night.

>It doesn't feel empty to you? Winning because your opponent can't. Winning in spite of playing in a way that you know isn't optimal? Winning without, in essence, trying?
I genuinely have no idea what the fuck gives you the idea that playing something that isn't optimal means you aren't trying. It is the complete opposite! Playing an unorthodox strategy against a tried-and-true "optimal" strategy and winning is the definition of trying. Playing the estabilished best stratategy is NOT trying anything at all!

I liked the Mordheim game these guys did so I'm cautiously excited for this.

Battlefleet Gothic: Armada is allright

I've only just been watching this conversation so far, but I have to say user that you are the textbook example of a tryhard autist. You literally cannot conceive how someone could be having fun in a way that is different from what you do because it goes outside of the box you're in.

Clovis when?

Fine, you enjoy a strategy game that doesn't challenge you. Personally, I just turn up the AI difficulty until I can't handle it, and I play at that level because that's how RTS games are meant to be played. Or I play against people, and hadicap myself, or allow 2 vs 1 challenges.

I don't see where the "no challenge" is fun. You could lower the difficulty of the AI to zero play any way you wanted, but at that point I don't really get the stimulation. Again, to compare it to Skylines, it's an easy game to solve as far money and goes, but the longer you play the worse the traffic can get and you start learning about road structure and how to organize a city. It's sort of interesting, education, and challenging.

Stimulating, basically. I like when something needs to be thought about and improved on.

Dorf Fortress is mainly fun setting up. Like, I enjoy making a fort on the slopes of an evil mountain where the dead never rest, but let's not pretend the "fun" part of losing doesn't come from realizing what you've done wrong and learning not to do that same mistake twice. You play long enough and eventually that evil mountain is a breeze to live in. Can't say much for your trade routes, but your dwarves are fine.

It's kind of obvious don't you think?

user that's not what he's saying. He's saying that you're afraid of losing if you do anything other than the best option.

XCOM

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>Laid Back

>Why the fuck would they not use the Redemptionists as their flagship gang?
Too problematic for company making black ultramarines and bodypositive Sisters of battle

See, that would be a good way of getting people hyped.

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For some reason that I genuinely cannot understand, you seem to read what people are telling as "playing AGAINST suboptimal strategies" instead of "YOU playing a suboptimal strategy". Playing a suboptimal strategy against an optimal strategy is the definition of a challenge.

Dark Omen is the best Warhammer videogame ever made.
Try and prove me wrong

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>no formal training
>can run with the elites who have trained for years and have years of combat experience

I fucking hate this trope

I can't, I'll forever remain a Grudgebearer.

Redemptionists would be great.
I'd also love to see Ash Nomads or Scavvies. Mutants are fun.

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No, he's saying that a mod full of badly balanced units is fun if you decide to play with the badly balanced units instead of the turrets, because the turrets are stronger but why not play with Grot artillery?

The way an RTS works, at best you can move to the most sub-optimal strategy your opponent's skill will allow, or you lose. Contrary to the claims of losers, losing is not really all that fun. I mean, you're playing sub-optimally on purpose, so you SHOULD lose, and it's frankly what you get for being arrogant and trolling your friends.

But moreover, how many times can you play a losing strategy on purpose before it gets a little old? When losing is the expected outcome - and it's easy to lose if you try because you can delete your own army - and victory only happens because your opponent is bad at the game.

I played this game for a few missions but it did a poor job hooking someone without an intimate knowledge of the universe as to what the fuck is going on. Like what does everything do on the ship in non 40k terms

What factions are getting a new Codex next?

Why don't you and your friends just play to have fun instead of treating everything like a contest?
>Contrary to the claims of losers, losing is not really all that fun.
If you get too used to not losing you'll become paralyzed by the fear of losing and never take any risks.

Soul

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this

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>new Codex
You'll get a new edition sooner than any more codices

Unironic peak 90s soul. Karl Franz looked like a faggot in it tho.

Has anyone played the Dark Crusade mod (not SS) that adds new units and been able to finish all of the stronghold missions? I can't fucking do necrons unless you cheese splash damage which you can't do as Tau.

>Contrary to the claims of losers, losing is not really all that fun.
Then why do people enjoy playing genres that are intentionally designed to be unfair? I'm not talking "tough but fair" like people use to describe the Souls series, I mean shit like IWBTG, games that are made to be a dick to the player. Yet people enjoy playing those.

Or hell let's go way on the other side of the argument to where he said "what's fun about beating something that's easy", because explain Musou fans.

>Why don't you play to have fun?
Yeah, why don't I play a less competitive game with more cooperative elements and less strict win conditions? Like, I don't know, Stellaris, wherein I can choose not to attack my friends or even form federations with them. Or play as an isolationist hippy commune. Or heck, as the Imperium of Man, complete with psychics and everything.

An RTS is not that type of game, where you play a bad game on purpose for the sake of roleplaying. Nothing happens if you aren't taking steps to dismantle your opponents in an RTS.

Civilation, Stellaris, whatever - THAT'S the strategy genre where you play however you want and set personal win conditions. Not DoW.

Why was there never a space Marine 2? There's almost endless story potential. Just have him give eldar next or something and hundreds of weapon combinations to include.

dude how retarded are you. Space hulk is not as hard as everyone makes it seem. Space Hulk tactics makes it even easier for the terminators to win since they get pretty op cards. Play smart.

Undersold I think.

i enjoy it, don't be a bitch let people enjoy shit

>What's fun about challenging games?
The... challenge? The thing I've been talking about, motherfucker.

>What's fun about Mousou games?
Same thing that's fun about Skyrim. It's kind of a skinner box. You bash a bunch of enemies, level up, get better items, so you can bash more enemies and get more items and so on. It's a different appeal than a normal RTS.

Dude had a model in the old Necromunda along with his aide. I really don't know why they ain't doing with him.

I fucking give up, you literally can't put your mindset outside of playing like a tourneyfag. No matter what I say, all you think is BUT I HAVE TO WIN NO MATTER WHAT

>The... challenge? The thing I've been talking about, motherfucker.
Challenge =/= games intentionally made to frustrate you and make you want to throw your controller. You don't feel a sense of accomplishment after beating something you were stuck on for 3 hours, you feel a sense of "fucking finally".

Looks like it. Are they there only 40k games you've played?

Winning is literally the objective of the game.

I understand it's interesting to check units added by a mod and put them through paces. Maybe the Zerg mod will be cool, maybe I'll play a game where I seal myself away and tech directly to exterminatus - ha ha!

But that cute novelty wears off really fast and isn't the core of RTS gameplay. What personal objectives are you setting while playing the Ultimate Apocalypse mod that has lasting potential and makes the game more fun, and that isn't better served by playing a completely different genre entirely?

>bandai
Ok, what the fuck?

I don't care if I win or lose as long as I had fun.

Yeah, but the "fucking finally" is still what you're playing for. I don't see how this proves the RTS genre is focused on something besides competitive real time strategy.

Wow, what an insightful way to look at video games, Elmo. This episode was brought to you by the letter "B" and the number twelve.

I asked you what you're doing with UA that is fun and that isn't MORE fun in a different genre of game.

>Yeah, but the "fucking finally" is still what you're playing for.
Not really because humans are wired to not enjoy things they perceive as unfair. A challenge is inherently supposed to be fair.
>I don't see how this proves the RTS genre is focused on something besides competitive real time strategy.
I never said that, I just said maybe stop acting like such a tryhard.

>I asked you what you're doing with UA that is fun
Using lots of overpowered and ridiculous units
>and that isn't MORE fun in a different genre of game.
Fun is fun, why does the genre matter? Life isn't a zero-sum game, don't take videogames so seriously.

Do you not sense a contradiction in your own statement here? I mean, you say people play games that frustrate them, but then say can't enjoy those things because the challenge is unfair.

I mean, sure, some people get stressed out a lot worse by an unfair challenge, but those people tend not to subject themselves to those types of games. At least not for very long.

>having standarts means to be a bitch

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SS+apocalypse mod

No I also played DoW and Space Marine
Even if I hadn't played any others though, that wouldn't make a difference in me liking the gameplay

Are you seriously going to bitch me out for using overpowered turrets in a mod, and then tell me that you're having more fun because you use DIFFERENT overpowered units?

Bitch, that is the pot calling the kettle black. You're still an optimizing faggot if you're using the mod's other broken units.

The difference is you say what you're doing isn't fun and that you feel forced to do it.

who the fuck asked for the sisters of battle and the edgy S&M boys in their Dawn of War ? It was already stupid ennough that the Marines and the imperial guard fought against each other in DC campaign but a fucking three way war between 3 imperium armies ? on a more personnal note I fucking hate the dark eldars and their "edgier that you" retarded lore
Also the campaign was a fucking slog to play through

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cringe

Listen here, sir. The reason why UA games are prone to turret spam is explicitly because it's so badly designed and certain races are WAY stronger than others. Orks, for example, can get by without overusing turrets because UA made them OP, whereas the Sisters of Battle tend to be squishy until late game, at which point they are literally invincible because space magic.

That means if you play your overpowered Ork units because you're more "fun" than me, I'm over here getting my ass kicked for the first ten minutes because I played random and rolled sisters.

Well I'm going to build turrets and fuck you, because you already have OP units and I have to wait to get to mine.

You haven't described a relationship of fun versus robotic players. You've described you having the OP units and being happy about it, and telling me to shut up because I'm pigeonholed into one of the universal counters for your bullshit.

>who the fuck asked for the sisters of battle and the edgy S&M boys in their Dawn of War ?
The people who didn't want Tyranids I guess.

Relic complained they didn't know how to imagine Tyranids building structures.

Then how did they add them in 2?

because there is no basebuilding in 2 ?

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They stopped using that as an excuse? I dunno. It was some half-excuse they gave during a Q&A.

Then why are you playing with tryhards?

What do you not understand about these games being competitive? What do you think is the objective of an RTS?

user, you said waaaaaay up here that no one plays UA multiplayer and takes it seriously. So why would you even be playing with someone that isn't treating it all as a silly joke?

>GW still hasn't updated the Khorne Berzerkers models or made a recent Noise Marine model outside of Guitar guy.
Still not fucking pleased

>What do you not understand about these games being competitive?
this dude answered for me, you said yourself that people dont' play it competitively anyway because it's boring that way.
>What do you think is the objective of an RTS?
To entertain yourself like all videogames. They're not artworks, they're toys.

Nobody takes it seriously - as in, nobody believes it's balanced or that you get a fair shake while playing it. In my experience, a lot of victories in UA don't feel earned. Usually somebody happened to avoid enough attrition to build a titan before everyone else, and that's it. That's UA multiplayer.

Dawn of War soulstorm with the apocalypse mod
Space Marine
Inquisitor Martyr
Battlefleet gothic
Armageddon

Are all Great
Also Sins of a Solar Empire has a pretty cool 40k mod.

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>In my experience, a lot of victories in UA don't feel earned. Usually somebody happened to avoid enough attrition to build a titan before everyone else, and that's it. That's UA multiplayer.
Then why not just play it to dick around if the competition isn't fun?

Grey Knights should stay as trash

>Why not just dick around?
Because then there's no objective or challenge and that gets old, so I stop playing it.

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Far and away the most aesthetically and lore accurate 40K game ever made. No game has ever been a tenth as good at accurately portraying the world of the novels and rulebooks. Shame the gameplay itself was relatively dull.

Also seems a bit weird that they got one of their so-so writers, Gav Thorpe, to do the story rather than one of their top tier writers like Abnett or Bowden or McNeil on a good day.

>Because then there's no objective or challenge and that gets old
That's why you play with actual friends and not internet "friends"

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Sisters are great, shut your whore mouth.
Deldar are pretty trash, though. Nids would've been preferable.

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>and one is from Streumon
But they already did Deathwing, do you mean another one? If so that's great.

It's Space Hulk, the whole thing is based on looking for treasure, does it NEED a story? The board game only kinda sorta has one.

love this dude

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>what is advanced space crusade

Alright, WE get bored and play something that better lends itself to non-conflict, like or Civilization.

If you have to dick around and not invest in the game to have fun, then the game or mod itself is not fun.

he's the best drawfag left.

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>Sisters are great
Yeah if you like overpriced ugly metal miniatures because they refuse to give us anything else or update the models to anything not hideous. I don't know any SoB players that don't hate the way the army is handled.

I only played for a few hours so can't really judge the story or how in depth its got. Its more that they chose to advertise that Gav Thorpe worked on the story as if they didn't have much better options for a big project.

don't start complaining about writers
Gothic Armada 2 was written by Matt Ward so consider yourself lucky with what you got

>religious nutters
>we want space marines but for horny dudes: the faction
whatever makes you tick but they weren't great to play as in soulstorm

Life's too short for me to invest too much in things.

>tfw there will never be a Deff Skwadron Ace Combat

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Nihilism doesn't make your mod not suck in the long run.

I had fun while it lasted so I can't complain.

Oh yeah, fuck the way they're handled.
I just love the aesthetics.

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>Also seems a bit weird that they got one of their so-so writers, Gav Thorpe
Gav is THE Dark Angels author in the Black Library. He's responsible for the endless Fallen shit stories DA players are always getting. It's a miracle that Deathwing didn't have Fallen sub-plot.

>Gothic Armada 2 was written by Matt Ward
Nani? Source?

>Yeah if you like overpriced ugly metal miniatures because they refuse to give us anything else
Good news user now you can have a cute little plastic bolter bitch.

What, didn't you notice the glorious Lord Guilliman shilling?

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>40k
>Christianity symbols
Pick one

Fine. I had fun with UA while it lasted too, but it's not a good multiplayer experience once people learn how to break it, and against the AI it's more like a power trip fantasy.

I used to play 6th edition IG and I loved it. Got a fantastic deal too. My local games store was going out of business and the guy who ran it was friends with my dad. Gave us 50% of of any Warhammer stuff we bought plus a few boxes for free. Iv got something like 500 Imperial Guard Troopers with probably another 100 hq Units like Lt, colorbearers, melta, plasma, medic, colonels, commissar, psykers all Metal. The rest are heavy weapons teams
4 squads of kasrkin, 11 leman russes and 1 demolisher, 1 baneblade, 3 basilisk, 6 chimeras, 3 hellhounds, and 1 Valkyrie. I bought all that and he threw in the Battle of Macrage space marine tyranid box and the Ork vs Space Marine box for free. But my highest prized possession is the Empire vs Ork battle box from fantasy it was a display item and it’s super faded but it’s got a fully Empire and Ork army. Zoggin beautiful.

Shame Iv got no one to play with.

do Superhuman TFTD fagget, everything else is for lightweights

tiddies

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Pipe organ missiles, church-tanks, and flamethrowers on everything is the coolest shit, fight me.

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reminder

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I shit you not, it's in the credit of the game wich i can't be asked to boot up just to make a screen and as said of course Girlyman and the Ultravanillas save the day

Iv got the enhanced edition from a sale and I really enjoy it but the game auto crashes during load for mission 2 and there’s no fix I can find.

I didn't play multiplayer, I just did the campaign with the new units.
>and against the AI it's more like a power trip fantasy.
literally the best feeling

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isn't that Asmodai? That marine really has a nerve to lecture the most loyal and zealous marine in the whole universe

God I wish that was me.

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>they literally cut off all tits from Slaanesh models except of centaurus
Top kek

>That trailer was pure kino.
The trailer was exactly when anyone with a brain knew it was going to be shit

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Based Space Marine disregarding thots.

It still baffles me how they managed to fuck this up so badly, they had a really simple job yet they managed to screw up every possible aspect of the game

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That's already been done, though. TFTD isn't that hard if you abuse explosive stacking, anyhow.
I was thinking of trying something called The World of Terrifying Silence, which apparently changes up TFTD a lot and adds a bunch of new weapons, ayys, and other stuff.

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All bits are Ork bits but honestly Chaos needed a few updates

or you know, its controls and ai were atrocious which throws all the benefits you claimed it had out the window

My only complaint with flick is he tends to make all tits the same size.

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much better then those fuck ugly funko pops they tried to sell, plus with the extra height you can do a fuck ton more paint jobs with it

>tfw titans were pussified and we will never get a titan that can house a SM company in it's leg like in the artwork

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>plus with the extra height you can do a fuck ton more paint jobs with it
Well, it was expected

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CHOO CHOO

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I like how they are going to be taller than the average HG 1/144 Gundams they do.
can't wait for the PBandai chaos space marine

If the shitters at bandai won't have a Dark Angels color scheme I swear I'm gonna pop a vein. I'm in no mood to paint.

Why did I laugh at this, it's some SA-tier shit

They're gone, user. They're gone and not coming back.

If it was given to a better studio to remaster, it would be pretty good.

It's all because they had leg day the whole year. You can't fight for the enemies of the emperor like that.

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They live on in our hearts and in tyranid stomachs.

Nothing Tau is ever good you commie

best warlord design.

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How can newfags in this thread honestly think 40k is reddit or underage? /tg/ was literally created from Warhammer wednesdays from Yea Forums when Yea Forums was young. Christ it’s hard being older then 25 on Yea Forums. The amount of people on here who literally heard about it in middle school is disgusting.

EDF 5

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Are you kidding or just underage bait? Christian Space Nazis has been 40k meme for literally more then 2 decades.

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>Christian Space Nazis has been 40k meme for literally more then 2 decades.
And not anymore.
Deal with it

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>helmet with eye slits
truly only weebs can be this disgusting

I want a qt mini sister of battle and an inquisitor

I want the Skitarii Ranger

Probably the best board game GW has ever released. Simple, quick and fun for everyone. Also cool termie minis that you'll NOT paint as Blood Angels.

Why aren't there any female orks`???? GW stop being bigoted, give me lady orks right now! Just say the spores fucked up and got mutated.

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THE REASON RTS Games are dying is due to competitive fags like you ruining the genre by screaming the loudest and getting catered to. Then the games bomb and that’s why we have moba garbage. Literally I wish competitive gamers would just fuck off back to fighting games with their gay bullshit. They killed RTS games they’re in the process of killing fps games. You’re legit cancer. It’s fine to want to win but the hard core competitive pvp crowd needs to fuck off back to street fighter and brawl where you can get you no items final destination only bullshit and stop ruining other genres.

WHERE THE FUCK CAN I FIND A TORRENT FOR WARHAMMER TOTAL WAR II THAT WORKS AHHHHH

Also, Vermintide II & Dawn of War II are really fun. Vermintide should get a 40k spiritual successor.

>Fantasy is better.
user, I....

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>Probably the best board game GW has ever released. Simple, quick and fun for everyone.
And you don't even need the official game to play it.

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>Why aren't there any female orks
Because the species doesn't need sex to propogate.

Ork spore can't me influenced on a genetic level if it could be the imperial xenobiologists would have created a 100% working virus to fuck the ork up for good via virus bolter rounds or mass virus bombing.

Why aren't there any female Space Marines???? GW stop being bigoted, give me lady marines right now! Just say the primaris dna fucked up and got mutated.

Nope, it still is unless you're trying to ignore everything about the rampant fanaticism that is the imperium, the god emperor, and every single thing about the Ministorum

Skitarii troops are the coolest shit. Their designs are almost as cool as the HH Solar Auxillia

Shame what they have to do to you in order to become one. Skitarii are effectively braindead.

Age of Sigmar doesn't have the Fantasy moniker you tard

>Why aren't there any female Space Marines
Joking aside, there are old-ass rogue trader rulebooks from before the lore was properly established who talk about female-only spacemarine chapters

Depends on the planet they are from and which formation they belong to. Most of them are willing soldiers and believe in the mechanicums dogma tho.

Rogue trader was better than 40k. You can not refute this.

Inquisitor martyr is pretty fun. New expansion coming out for it soon too

>tfw these guys will never have a chance to shine
Great designs and interesting angle on the HH lore all flushed down the shitter in favor of a exclusively Legioncentric approach by forge world. Just modify the design and put them in plastic and peddle them as elite Sol system IG or something.

Actually Lord Guilliman has decreed every Imperial citizen shall get an eldar gf, its not heresy when your showing the superiority of the human form to smug xenos

>we need a new idea for the next guard force
>how about the same uniforms as the country that dominated most of the planet and killed millions of subhumans
>you're a genius.

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Forgot pic

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wh40k-de.lexicanum.com/wiki/"Aussterben"_der_Squats
I miss the Squats, but I understand JJ's position here.

>Nope, it still is
Nope
>imperium
>rampant fanaticism
Imperium have rampart fanaticism as much as generic DnD paladin
>the god emperor
Completely irrelevant.
>and every single thing about the Ministorum
You mean things that were never mentioned since 3-4th edition?

>girl

>Inquisition is still a thing
>Crux Terminatus are literally christian cross with a skull in the center
>the whole Ecclesiarchy is basically an exagerrated pasta of christian ecclesiarchy

During the Sepris Prime campaign I was so busy slaying Xenos auxillaries that I neglected to maintain acceptable standards of regulation grooming.

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it gives me a warm feeling to know that they are women who are, disapointing their parents harder than I am disapointing mines

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I converted a Primaris Chaplain model into a Dark Apostle model.

>>Inquisition is still a thing
>>the whole Ecclesiarchy is basically an exagerrated pasta of christian ecclesiarchy
>literally zero christians elements

>>Crux Terminatus are literally christian cross with a skull in the center
>manlets
Lol okay, I'll give you that
Despite it doesnt look like christian cross.

Hope you also gave him two shotguns

Enhanced edition is actually quite nice
get it only on sale tho

>deathwatch game
>played a Doom Eagles Assault Marine Chaplain
>lost an arm to a chaos defiler
>we didn't have a spare bionic arm on the Strike Cruiser
>but we did pick up an industrial power drill on the forgeworld we were visiting
felt pretty fucking good, 1-shotting tau battlesuits with my drill arm.

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>doesnt look like christian cross
lol there a dozens of christian crosses associated with different denominations or church organizations

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to be fair, the daemons are mostly due to sigmar

What’s even more retarded is the nids build structures in lore. Spawning pools for different breeds, reclamation pools for organic material, give nodes for command and control, spore turrets, the list goes on.

This. Every demon model you think is 40k comes from AoS releases

does he do actual porn?

>literally zero christians elements
The Inquisition is a christian concept.
The entire architecture of the Imperium is heavily influenced by gothic architecture which is associated with christian churchs.
As for the christian cross, another user beat me to it. See

yes. check his pixiv or secret twitter.

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I wish. Sadly chaos models don't seem to come with shotguns so he has the standard Apostle load out of a bolt pistol and an accursed crozius

They did that with Killing floor 2 and nobody fucking plays it.

>the Inquisition totally isn't a parody of the spanish inquisition to the point there is an inquisitor in 40k who's name is fucking torquemada
>the sister of battles totally aren't catholic nuns but with guns
>Gothic being called, well, gothic and also being generally speaking a meme version of latin
>the entire lexicon of catholicism being crammed into the lore (stuff like, litany, canticle, priest, heresy, saint, blasphemy and so on)
I'm not him but you're kinda being dishonest here my dude

he is a (you) farmer, what else did you expect

I'm waiting for the beastmen expension, I'm playing the shit out of it with my mates when it comes out

They already exist. They killed the kasrkin and stormtroopers for the tempestus scions janky as fuck medieval shit look and they look just like them.

based and redpilled

Now I want a Bridge Commander VR style game but piloting a Warlord through a battlescape

>most of his porn has impregnation
bless his holy soul

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Chaos Gate. Relaxing to play.

>and they look just like them.
You have to be high as fuck to think this

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Looks the same as this.

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Not when THIS starts blasting in you speaker
youtube.com/watch?v=yx61xeDV_60

>replaying DOW 2
>always shelf the assault squad and the dreadnought
anyone else do this?

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>he can't strike from the skies with his battle brothers
It's because you're a virgin tactical marine the real chads are in the assault company.

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