Do you actually believe PS5 will be 13TF...

It will be about 11TF, consoles are always weaker than the dev kits.

Are you retarded? How often do you guys look out of the window? They’ve barely scratched the surface of graphics quality

Didn't the PS3 cost like 900 dollars to manufacture at launch and they sold it for 600 dollars?

Consoles are sold at a loss to bring you into their eco system. The majority of money that sony makes is from ps+.

graphics are very important for interactive movies

PS5's new name will be PS599

P$599

13 amd tflops = 9 nvidia tflops
sounds about right

Consoles always sell at a loss on launch.

investopedia.com/articles/investing/080515/economics-gaming-consoles.asp

>"In 2006, at the time of PS3’s launch, each console was sold at a loss of around US $240 per console, while the Xbox 360 lost around US $125 per console when it launched in 2005. [...] While the Xbox 360 earned a profit per console a year later, it took the PS3 quite some time before it began to break even."

Why do they call it the PS5?

Given the latest Navi rumours, it might be even worse this time around.

Yeah, not much of a jump in graphics since 2007. Ray tracing demos are the biggest jump I've seen since then and I don't see how we could go forward after that while keeping it cost effective

WTF, this generation is already over??
anyway, is this really even necessary because most of the PS4 exclusives already look way better than the vast majority of games on PC due to the polishing that goes into them. In what would getting better hardware improve the graphics?

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It’s gonna have a lot of FLOPS alright

>AMD TFlops
Lmao theyre fucking garbage.

Nvidia Cards with even less TFlops still outperform them

That thing is such a BEAST!
Can you just imagine that thing fucking your wife?
BEAST, dude, BEAST!

>RTX 2070 FP32 7.465 TFLOPS
>Radeon VII 13.44 TFLOPS
>Almost 2x FLOPs for 10% more performance

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Yeah that worked out well for them last time.

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Fucking embarrassing nigga

Do you actually believe that? It has to do with taxes and investing. They make these things for nothing, they just say they're losing money so they can hide more shekels from the goyim.

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>Why does a $100 million dollar game like God of War look better than Undertale

This is the same guy that said FF7R wasn't going to be at state of play

yes, the new hardware they're getting ready to roll out is awesome and a huge upgrade, i've had my gtx1070 for a few years now and it might be time to upgrade soon as there is a significant enough upgrade at the mid range price, unfortunately i have a g-sync monitor, maybe its time to upgrade that too.

nvidia is holding their cards fairly close right now, they might have something to show off as a collab with intel soon

No. It will have a 2016 cpu in it with 16gb of ram, and something along the lines of a 1080.

It will release and be 2 years behind then pc gaming like sony always is.

Console gamers will jerkoff to the last of us 2 being 1080p/60fps since they didnt get it this gen

I believe shadow of mordor nemesis system is heavy on hardware. Stuff like that could be the new graphics meme

But honestly just make switch 2 with every worthwhile game out there and I'm never buying another console

The expensive HBM2 is the reason for that 10% boost, PS5 will likely use GDDR6

Who are you quoting?

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Lol. If what Sony has confirmed is to be true then MS has the stronger console next gen. I think MS really focused on being the better hardware console since the Xbox one X

>why do a handful of super expensive PS4 exclusives look better than most games on PC, which are mostly low budget titles

>less bandwidth and none of the power savings of HBM2
>Navi just another refresh of an already power hungry GCN
How will next gen consoles even stay inside their power budget and still get a reasonable boost in performance?

$500 is definitely fair if the GPU is 13TF and it has SSD. They'd still take a massive loss on it though.

Again, who the fuck are you quoting?

So like I said earlier, 11TF.

asshurt nincel brigade. Don't you have some 22 fps BoTW to replay for the 120th time?

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eh, maybe, the last time we ever got a console that was a better deal than a PC was PS2 era, maybe the first half of the 360 era but once the 8800 GT came out consoles became obsolete.

If they can make a console that's a better deal than a PC again that'd be kinda neat but I really doubt it. Even now on my rig running a 970 and a 500gb SSD I get loading times 1/10 the time of the XboneX on a 2K 144hz monitor with no graphical glitches or slowdown.

>Can you just imagine that thing fucking your wife?
Mmmm. I'm thinking of it right now, user and the cucking by the PS5 is glorious.
Pic slightly related.

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Well your graphh shows it clearly did since they sold PS4 at a loss and now just SIE makes more money than all of Nintendo.

>muh graphix!
>muh fps
>when PS4 game dont even reach 24fps

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7R was at state of play
benji is a sham

It being two years behind top-end PC and still costing $500 is a pretty good deal still. Do you have any idea just how overpriced shit is on PC now? A CPU alone will set you back $300.

how will they operate with burning your house down you mean.

>b-but nintendo!
kek
enjoy your 20 fps bloodborne bro

8800 GTX came out a year after 360 & absolutely shat on it

How many 60 fps PS4 games aren't stuck at 20 fps on Switch?

It's funny how little frame rate matters to nincels now.

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>047▶
>Do you actually believe PS5 will be 13TF? That seem
My early 2017 GPU (1080ti) is around 13TF when overclocked.

So having a console come out over 3 years later with the same power sounds reasonable.

My old GTX 580 3gb from 2010 was only a little bit more powerful than the PS4.

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I do. It BTFO Nintendo's Ubishit rip-off in every way possible.

>Teraflops
Why are we back to this meme measurement?

>I have to get an i7! the ryzen 2600 just won't do!

right which is why I said maybe the first half of the 360 era since it took a while to grow the PC market once it came out.

Because it's the best single metric for GPU performance.

Because consoletards just see big numbers and think that's all that matters

>25% more profit on 300% the install base
Very impressive.

>AMD CPU
Not even going to bother. Just an i5 will set you back near $300 these days. Anything less than $1000 spent on your built and you've handicapped yourself brutally somewhere.

I swear if i was a mod i would ban people who compare Nvidia & AMD flops, people still doing it in 2019

Ah yes the single best measurement. The xbox one x certainly looks 1.5x better than a basic bitch rig with a 970 in it.

Doesn't 3DS and Switch have higher total install base than PS4?

But even then, just one Sony division is making more money than ALL of Nintendo. Despite the former doing frequent sales and promotions of their games and hardware.

Good. I will keep playing my games in 4k60fps meanwhile.

The XboxX GPU certainly is 1.5 times better than a 970. However there is still the CPU issue of bottlenecking games to 30 fps.

You do realise PS5 will be using an AMD CPU right?

Why is 1000USD thought as rich tier?

I am a poor college student and I spent more than that on a desk, chair and a drawing monitor.

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the SSD would need to be 5TB for it to be fair, that or they would have to mandate all games must have compressed audio and video.

For consoles it's different. Devs make games specifically for those machines whereas everything on PC is tested primarily through Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU. Sad state of things.

There are a lot more 60fps games on Switch than PS4.
No matter what you say.
If FPS was important to you (Which it probably isn't because youre a seething cuck) you get an xbox one x.

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That division is also the only Sony division making any fuckin money outside of Spider-Man movies.

>3DS in 2018FY
C'mon now, you seriously believe that 3DS at this point is still a significant portion of Nintendo's revenue?

So you're admitting the metric doesn't matter?

The xbonex barely outperforms a gtx 680 with a 2500k and 8gb of ram

This
PC parts are so God damn overpriced from a consumer standpoint that it became enthusiasts only option.
Anything below 1000$ is handycaping

1000USD is still double the cost of what PS5 is rumored to cost. It's not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things no but in relative terms, it is.

That doesn't even matter, AMD CPU's can get close to Intel these days, Intel still wins due to better single threaded performance

>There are a lot more 60fps games on Switch than PS4.
Now why would an nincel do something like this and blatantly lie? Switch has only a handful of 60 fps titles whereas PS4 has countless ones. Hell near every online game on PS4 is 60 fps these days. So that makes how many games just from that?

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>just one Sony division is making more money than ALL of Nintendo
How obsessed are you? You must've written this exact sentence a thousand times. It's the gaming division of a giant conglomerate vs. a gaming company, stop pretending that this is some miracle.

>I need to get a 2080 Ti & an i9
>But Consoles at 30fps is fine though

da fuck are you on about?

this sucker is $450 has better specs than what most people on this board are working with and all you have to do is drop in a better PSU and GPU, it even has USB-C

microcenter.com/product/602472/aspire-desktop-computer

Now show us the RDR2 frame rate on Switch

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If they are measuring FP16 then that's equivalent to what? Like an RX 580 or something? Even if they are measuring FP 32 it would be right around the performance of a vega 64, it's not entirely unbelievable that this could be achievable with relative cost efficiency by the end of next year on the 7nm process and new architecture.

Nintendo having shit install base is hardly an excuse since it's their fault they're in that position. Wii U was a dud and late-gen 3DS sales were down the shitter big time. So much that you could buy a 2DS for next to nothing and still nobody bothered.

TFLOPS ARE NOT AN ACCURATE MEASUREMENT FOR GAMING PERFORMANCE
AMD AND NVIDIA TFLOPS ARE NOT EQUAL
AMD AND INTEL IPC AND CLOCKSPEEDS ARE NOT EQUAL
"Secret Sauce" is the BLAST CORE PROCESSING meme for the next generation.

I don't know.
Either way the games will probably look good. Most AAA titles these days look good. Saying "Oh wow imagine how good next gen is gonna look!" Has been a thing in videogames for decades.
Of course next gen is gonna eventually look better compared to this gen,that's how it almost always goes.

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>new strategy
Aren't all consoles loss leaders except for Nintendo's?

You still compare just Sony's Playstation division to all of Nintendo which also includes mobile games, merchandise and so on. The days of Nintendo domination are over.

Newsflash negro: you aint a poor college student if you can be affording that sort of expenditure.

>2080 Ti & an i9
What?
1070 and i7 with every other part at decent quality
That's equal cost to 1000$ in po(or)land

>HURR WHAT GRAPHICS WE WILL ACHIEVE

Yeah men cannot wait for the next The Last of Us formula aka Uncharted formula introduced in some shitty ass game praised by game-journalists for the story despite beeing High school writing tier.
You know what i want:

Fucking destructive enviroment. i want shooters and games where i can literally destroy building in a non scripted way.
The only big games that feature this is Battlefield and Red Faction games.

I recall when the PS3 came out, it beat current graphic cards for a few months until the next generation of cards were around the corner. It might be true.

A GPU, PSU and SSD would add atleast $500 to that. And then you'd go low-end side of things.

Lets be real here Sony will dominate next gen no matter what. They don't even have to do much.

Get a RX 580 with a Ryzen instead

Even Battlefield has regressed on environmental destruction. Bad Company 2 was the peak and it's never reached that same peak since.

>worked out well for them last time
correct

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And crackdown 3 multiplayer, thank God for Microsoft

Why do people think this? We have PCs that are vastly superiour to any console today already. Games don't look magically better because of it.
Also, do they really think they can get top of the line components in a single cheap console? lmao

>thank God for Microsoft
The MS Pajeet shills are here.

GTX 8800 came out before PS3

So half of that is fifa microtransactions, yeah?

>Games don't look magically better because of it.
What? PC games look significantly better than their console counterparts.

Ryzen is the better option but I cant rexomand an AMD card to anyone

budget build a 1050ti and a $50 PSU that's ~$230 extra no need for a SSD if you want to do an upgrade get a WD Black for $65 and you'll still be better than a base PS4 and your load times will still blow it out of the water.

This money is almost all from normal games. SIE also includes merch, and SIE also includes every streaming service Sony has.
Keep being obsessed though, I'm sure the next time you post that JUST PLAYSTATION MADE MORE MONEY THAN ALL OF NINTENDO Nintendo will finally go bankrupt.

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big C here Tbh

>base PS4
This isn't 2013 user. We all know PS4 is way outdated by now.

Remember when the power of console was about improving physics and scale and the like and not just making things shinier?

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no?

>no need for a SSD
I know this is out of context but there is a need for ssd, literally the best upgrade you can make

That's why I'm excited they are investing a ton in better CPUs this gen. That's where the jump will be most noticeable and where you'll notice shit like physics more.

Why?
Most college kids live with their parents so they don't have to pay for rent.
Working a full time job and going to school part time should make it easy to have some extra spending money.

I live on my own and have to pay out of pocket for college and still have spending money.

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Not really, ps1 to ps2 maybe

And still despite all that Nintendo is still beneath just one Sony division. The days of Nintendo dominating the industry are done. They have their niche and it's profitable to them sure but they'll never take center stage again like was the case with Wii/NDS. Now Sony has the center stage and nothing indicates they'll ever lose that as Nintendo moves further and further away from traditional consoles.

on a 10 year old hunk of shit yeah, you don't have to use an SSD to get console performance on newer machines, and that computer I linked comes with 16GB of optane which makes it perform just like an ADATA SSD

Fucking zoomers

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When it comes to tech you are spending more to get something sooner.
I was playing with tech more powerful than the PS4 back in 2010 but I paid a premium for it.

I always wait for PS4 games to drop to 20USD or below.

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This, people screaching about the industry dying don't realize it's just adjusting while devtools catch up to the new standard.

Floating point operations as a metric depends highly on the implementation and architecture of the hardware if I understand it correctly. Admittedly I'm not super familiar with it but you should definitely remain skeptical of claims like this until you actually see the hardware in action.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're using their success this gen to push out something more technologically impressive next gen but I'm largely uninterested in consoles regardless of the specs.

I find it highly suspicious being able to afford all that and pay your own way through college. My tuition along with material came out to 9k a semester when I was going through and as you said I was living with parents and worked part time cause I was too proud to ask for money help.

LOL is that thing is yours and you paid for it.

>traditional consoles are just over priced pcs
Really there aren't traditional consoles in general anymore.

>When scanning tech gets better that part of asset creation will be so much faster that we could see games lean back into 1-1.5 year dev times rather than 2-3 years or more for some of these larger ones.
Isn't this why Capcom is able to pump out games at a decent pace these days? They have that RE Engine which allows them to easily scan objects and render them in games. I remember reading it somewhere how much time they save on this.

>They have their niche and it's profitable to them sure
Yes, a small slightly profitable niche.

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Are you arguing switch is a mainstream console?

Yes, a niche. It's Sony that has the install base and also the digital store that makes up for the majority of games. It's Sony that has the huge money makers of this gen. Nintendo's status as industry giant of a decade ago is no more. They have their niche and it's profitable to them but anyone can see the people who buy Switch most likely already own a real console to begin with and aren't likely to go for Switch as their first option.

Will i be able to play next gen multiplaform games at 1080p with this pc?

Ryzen 5 2600
16GB DDR4-3000
Saphire RX 580 8GB nitro
MSI B450 Tomahawk

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Here's the problem, the guy in the OP pick said FF7 wouldn't be at Sony's State of Play, it was, he's unreliable. It will be 11TF tops, only the Xbox Anaconda will be either 12 or 13TF.

*FF7R

4TB SDDs alone go for $500. If you're expecting next gen consoles to cost any less than $400-$500 prepare to be disappointed.

>Imagine wanting to game on a console

You faggots are holding us all back.

People said that about last gen after the PS2

I built it myself.
Only cost a few hundred including the hardware inside.
I built it back in 2014 so I used a 750ti.

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>le graphics
That's why we can't have nice things. Sony exclusives PLAY like garbage, I don't give a shit about graphics.

>It's looking like PS5 kit is running with hardware that is designed to be running higher than todays console standards and will look better than the PS4
Get back to me when there's no dumbass marketing spin

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I work full time and go to school part time.
I make only 50k a year but it covers everything and then some.

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But if you want a real upgrade you have to look at next gen and make a decision between a new machine and an upgrade.
This is a dumb question, buy one now or wait, you never know, you might just get an upgrade for free on top of next gen.

2

This one's for you faggots with the last one. The new hardware is just going to put a dent in your ass. You will be in for a long, long time, your old ass is going to have to pick up the pieces.

okay

Photogrammetry has been wildly used these days, Horizon Zero Dawn uses it and so does MGSV and Death Stranding. FFXV had a bunch of random pre-release stuff about "look at these rocks we scanned lol".

>only 50k a year

It's funny because majority of people in Eastern Europe make 10 to 15k a year and they still cover everything and still have money for entertainment like video games, movies, clubs etc

People who say "ONLY" and then add crazy amounts of money like "50k a year" are fucking degenerates who don't actually know what it's like to make "ONLY x amount".

Makes me wonder what you people spend all this money on aside from college fees.

>Look at what they accomplished on base PS4
What? A bunch of ports?

I'm expecting around 16TF, 13 seems a bit low, but it will still be the Alpha of the generation.

how do i find out how many flops my pc has?

What GPU?

>game companies HAVE to sell their consoles at a loss

Industry crash fucking when???

>50k a year

if thats USD, and you reside in ameriburger, you are in the top 30% of income earners give or take some percentage points

good on you for having a full time job and going to school, alot of people don't have that energy or drive

Base PS4 is 1.8 and Pro is 4.2. So it would be about 3 times what the Pro is which seems fine for something released 3 years later. The One X has 6 for comparison

Not a big enough jump, older gens made jumps of more than 8x, this is legitimately pathetic, I refuse to believe that the PS5 will be so weak.

It's been like that for atleast 20 years you retard. It's industry standard outside of Jewtendo.

I don't expect the next Xbox to be extremely huge either. The jump would be impressive if the Pro and One X didn't exist. If the PS5 is 13 I'd be surprised if they bothered making the Xbox like 16-18.

You're a retard. There's a massive difference between 1,8TF coupled with a shit Jaguar CPU and 12TF coupled with a Zen 2.

GTX 1080 is 0.33 TF. Someone is now confusing Giga and Tera. PS5 could be 1.3 GF but 2080 is about .45 GF still. Retard.

>Sony ponies are so braindead consumers they give billions to Sony for literally nothing
You can't make this up

>dude sick new graphics lmao
>fuck gameplay, i want more 3rd person movies

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>fuck gameplay
nobody said this nincel. Calm down. Your bing bing happy meal toy will still get mario games I'm sure.

Consoles typically stop selling at a loss half way through the generations after cutting down costs through multiple revisions. I'm not even sure if the PS4 was ever sold at a loss.

>psn 2018
>ps3 was released 2006

ok

>new strategy
based retard

Do you nignogs really believe this is realistic?
Selling a console with a GPU that is currently sitting at 400+ dollaroos?
Even when they get a mass discount for buying millions of them they would cost 300 bucks.
Now count in everything else cpu, costs for controllers , mainboard, fan, case etc.
They want to sell it.
Do ou zoomers not remember how hard Microsoft got their shit pushed in for demanding 500 bucks?

MS got their shit pushed in because they sold a weaker console for $100 more than PS4. And coupled with a shittier brand and Kinect shit, it's no wonder consumers ignored.

PS5 at $500 won't be a hard sell at all given how strong Playstation brand is and inflation. PS3 would've cost like $700 today.

> PS5 at $500 won't be a hard sell at all given how strong Playstation brand is and inflation. PS3 would've cost like $700 today.

If they have backwards compatibility, then they've got it in the bag. Lack of games is always a big problems on new consoles. That's why the Switch initially sold so well because it had two absolute killer apps (Mario and Zelda).

It's still at least a year off. While unlikely, it's not impossible.
What we will probably get are specs somewhere around 80% of 'leaked', with a midlife update akin to the pro.

Now if it were to be released this year, yeah I'd totally say it's bs, but AMD is stepping their game up with the cpus and gpus, and memory prices are dropping across the board(much to the chagrin of hynix and friends).

PS4 BC is already confirmed.

>PS5 at $500 won't be a hard sell at all given how strong Playstation brand is and inflation

Wait i will change two little details in the first half of the sentences

>PS3 at $600 won't be a hard sell at all given how strong Playstation brand is
Literally the reason Sony went nearly bancrupt because they said the same thing in 2006-2007.
Normies wont buy a console for more than 400 bucks. Every console since the 6th generation proved this.

>sony nearly went bankrupt
i like this meme

some divisions were severely in the red hemorrhaging money, but the business as a whole had no chance.